PITLICK, LANDER, AULIE AND PINIZZOTTO ON WAIVERS

The Edmonton Oilers placed four men on waivers this morning: Tyler Pitlick, Anton Lander, Keith Aulie and Steve Pinizzotto. It’s difficult to figure out exactly what this means at first blush for the remaining roster, so let’s look at the players who are still here. Renaud Lavoie Source

OILERS CURRENT ROSTER

LEFT WING CENTER RIGHT WING
TAYLOR HALL RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS JORDAN EBERLE
BENOIT POULIOT LEON DRAISAITL NAIL YAKUPOV
DAVID PERRON BOYD GORDON TEDDY PURCELL
MATT HENDRICKS MARK ARCOBELLO JESSE JOENSUU
LUKE GAZDIC (IR) WILL ACTON KEVIN WESTGARTH
  BOGDAN YAKIMOV  
LEFT DEFENSE JUJHAR KHAIRA RIGHT DEFENSE
MARTIN MARINCIN JEFF PETRY
NIKITA NIKITIN MARK FAYNE
ANDREW FERENCE JUSTIN SCHULTZ
DARNELL NURSE OSCAR KLEFBOM
BRAD HUNT  
  GOAL  
  BEN SCRIVENS  
  VIKTOR FASTH  

Big winners so far: Brad Hunt, Darnell Nurse, Oscar Klefbom, Will Acton, Bogdan Yakimov, Jujhar Khaira, Kevin Westgarth. This is a very interesting day. There are 28 names here, with Nikitin and Gazdic likely going to IR. 26 healthy players means three cuts. (Photo by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved).

For the Oilers, those three cuts are likely to be players who are not waiver eligible (I’ll guess Khaira, Yakimov and Westgarth).

A BIG DAMN DAY

  • Brad Hunt. I had him as a training camp hopeful and he just kept doing things to get noticed in a good way. This speaks to Craig MacTavish’s long held belief that draft pedigree isn’t worth a tinker’s dam.
  • Will Acton. Another training camp hopeful, he was better than Lander every step of training camp.

Good for both of them. They could still be cut, it’s an active waiver day and trades are possible, but getting this far is a strong indication that the Oilers value outside talent more than their own developing draft selections. From Joensuu to Acton to Hunt, the free agents win today and the draft picks who remain are of more recent vintage.

UPDATE

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THE CURRENT OILERS (23 plus IR)

LEFT WING CENTER RIGHT WING
TAYLOR HALL RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS JORDAN EBERLE
BENOIT POULIOT LEON DRAISAITL NAIL YAKUPOV
DAVID PERRON BOYD GORDON TEDDY PURCELL
MATT HENDRICKS MARK ARCOBELLO JESSE JOENSUU
LUKE GAZDIC (IR LIKELY) WILL ACTON
   
LEFT DEFENSE RIGHT DEFENSE
OSCAR KLEFBOM JEFF PETRY
NIKITA NIKITIN
MARK FAYNE
ANDREW FERENCE JUSTIN SCHULTZ
DARNELL NURSE BRAD HUNT
 
  GOAL  
  BEN SCRIVENS  
  VIKTOR FASTH  

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  1. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    And so we’re left with this statement:The Edmonton Oilers, in an extremely careless moment, chose to send their best defenseman to the minors. For absolutely no reason. Is that what we’re saying.

    Seeing Marincin posted the best corsi of the D the last few gammes dragging around Aulie, I have to say: Yes.

    Perhaps Marincin was jumping up on the play when they wanted or whatever their reason was, but my contention is that when Marincin is on the ice, the Oilers’ shot share is at its greatest.

    They’ve spoken ad nasuem about it, but when the rubber hits the road the guy putting up 60+% goes to OKC and Klef, who never broke 50% in the preseason is practicing today.

    Next chapter is trading Petry.

    They can talk possession all they want, but their walk leaves much to be desired.

  2. TheOtherJohn says:

    Not sure why anyone here is pessimistic. Season hasn’t started.

    We have a really smart GM and a solid management team. We have 2 NHL calibre #1 goalies, 6 real NHL calibre D, size and Scoring that runs 7 deep. 3 legitimate ROTY candidates in Draisatl, Nurse and Klefbom. Joensuu was the best Oiler in training camp. We’re better than we were at the start of last years season

    Fully expect we’ll be 6-4 at end of October. With our only losses to Kings, Vcr, Wash & Mont. Realistic, if you’re optimistic to glom onto a playoff spot out of the start of the season and never relinquish it. -67 goal differential can be made up by this roster!

  3. book¡je says:

    RexLibris:
    I think Marincin is going to OKC because he will be back shortly thereafter and the Oilers want to give Nurse and Klefbom a chance to start.

    My guess is after nine games Nurse goes to SSM, and then a few games later Klefbom and Marincin switch spots.

    They may actually see more in Marincin and want him to go back to Nelson in OKC to work out a few more wrinkles in his game. Playing 1st or 2nd pairing in the NHL isn’t going to give him practice at-bats.

    I’m not saying it isn’t a surprise or kind of concerning, but I don’t think, given the organization’s decisions the last few months, that we need necessarily assume the worst.

    We said they should go after Fayne and they did. We suggested they pursue Perrault, and they did. Wondered if they would pursue analytics, they added Dellow. We raged against the assistant coaches, they fired them and hired Ramsay.

    They re-signed Gazdic, added Westgarth for TC, and added Aulie as a FA.

    They released Westgarth and waived Aulie. Even the mistakes are looking like they won’t haunt us.

    Maybe sending Marincin to OKC doesn’t mean they’ll trade him for a 34 year old 4th line grinder.

    I agree, but it means that are not concerned enough about winning to ice their best lineup.

  4. book¡je says:

    Woodguy: Seeing Marincin posted the best corsi of the D the last few gammes dragging around Aulie, I have to say: Yes.

    Perhaps Marincin was jumping up on the play when they wanted or whatever their reason was, but my contention is that when Marincin is on the ice, the Oilers’ shot share is at its greatest.

    They’ve spoken ad nasuem about it, but when the rubber hits the road the guy putting up 60+% goes to OKC and Klef, who never broke 50% in the preseason is practicing today.

    Next chapter is trading Petry.

    They can talk possession all they want, but their walk leaves much to be desired.

    Maybe the coach likes possession but the GM worries about sideburns

  5. Eastern Oil says:

    The logic behind keeping Klefbom up ahead of Marincin doesn’t add up. Even if you think Klef had a better camp than Marty, how can you throw away the fact that Marincin was dropped into some very tough hockey last year for 44 games and performed admirably? How can a 5-6 game pre-season tryout with a variety of different players trump effective NHL hockey?

    Klef will be a very good Dman and I look forward to the day he does, but with Petry having played no preseason game, Nikitin hurt and Ference hurting, this doesn’t add up.

    Give Nurse his look, he’s earned it. Give Hunt a chance, he’s earned it. Marincin is an NHL defenceman now.

  6. Eastern Oil says:

    Has anyone seen the Eakins comments on Corsi yet?

  7. belcolt91 says:

    Guesses for the D:

    – Nurse will be sent to SSM after his 9 games (World Juniours baby).
    – Marincin will be called up within 15 games, probably game 9
    – Hunt will be sent down when Nikitin returns.
    – Aulie will be next in line after Hunt’s sent down (unless a Shultz gets injured), if Klef starts slipping in any way

  8. justDOit says:

    belcolt91,

    I think the first reassessment period will be on the 12th, after the Oilers’ games against Cal and Van, and two days before the LA game. Marincin will have had an entire week of practice with Nelson by that time (Barons only have one game that week).

  9. Lowetide says:

    Eastern Oil:
    Has anyone seen the Eakins comments on Corsi yet?

    Yes. He appeared to endorse David Staples lock, stock and two smoking barrels.

  10. prairieschooner says:

    Are the Oilers using actual NHL games for training purposes?
    They used every pre season game to determine what ?
    Who the 4th line and press box would be?
    They will now start the season with a youngster who has demonstrated NHL ability in the minors
    Are they really fielding their best team on opening night?

  11. Bank Shot says:

    RexLibris:
    Shawn Matthias struggling in Vancouver.

    Landon Ferraro on waivers today.

    Detroit is not the be-all and end-all of drafting. They have misses just like everyone else. The difference is that when they hit, it is generally a homerun.

    I’m not as familiar with baseball as LT and others here, but I would say this is akin to an okay batting average on a power hitter.

    That’s not correct. Detroit is pretty much gold standard when it comes to drafting.
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005492.html

    Look at that! From 2000-2009 the Red Wings had 11 second round picks.

    Here’s what they got out of it:

    Kopecky(514 games), Grigorenko (0), Hudler (526), Fleischmann (515), Howard(285), Abdelkader (327), Emmerton (139), Matthias (330), Tartar(100), Ferraro (4).

    We are talking 6 players above replacement level. And 8 of 11 that hit the typical 100 game threshold to be considered a successful pick. NHL average in the second round= 25%

    Detroit’s rate in that period: 73%

    That’s like a long ball hitter that also bats .400.

  12. Eastern Oil says:

    Lowetide,

    I immediately thought the same and then saw J Willis say the same. Surprises me with the verbage towards Dellow and his contributions. But everyone is entitled to their opinion and although I disagree with Eakins (and Staples) at least he’s willing to engage with someone like Dellow who has a different view.

    But even if Eakins believe Corsi is a group effort, he would have to see Marincin’s WOWY’s right? He made the group better!!

  13. Bank Shot says:

    The only part of Marincin being sent down that upsets me is that Nurse, Klefbom and Brad Hunt weren’t sent down with him.

    The Oilers refuse to fill their roster with veterans and I’m pretty sure it is going to be the kiss of death for yet another season.

    Why can’t they just follow the Detroit model. Nashville does the same and they always churn out players, and have had a great record in the standings over the years on a limited budget.

    Nurse should be sent back to juniors, and then play half a a season in the AHL before the Oilers even consider playing him.

  14. Caramel Obvious says:

    Lowetide: Yes. He appeared to endorse David Staples lock, stock and two smoking barrels.

    Now this is something to be worried about. Pick your battles. If Eakins really agrees with Staples then he’s screwed.

  15. Gret99zky says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Not sure why anyone here is pessimistic. Season hasn’t started.

    I’d guess the reason for the pessimism is that Oilers’ management seemed to go against the math when making the final cuts.

    It’s not logical and so rubs the Spocklosphere the wrong way.

  16. RexLibris says:

    Bank Shot: Rex

    That is one year.

    I looked at Detroit’s draft record going back to ’79.

    Even breaking it down into 5 year segments, Detroit was middle of the pack in terms of finding NHL players. Buffalo and Anaheim lead the pack.

    Detroit finds excellent players, but not on every pick and they can strike out just like everyone else.

    Hakan Andersson is still a genius at identifying talent, and their development model, which benefits from having a strong, stable core of exceptional players, is the gold standard. But not every player they select necessarily becomes a star player.

    As noted, I’ve listed two former 1st round players off the top in Ferraro and Matthias.

  17. dangilitis says:

    Woodguy: Except that he was the dominate Oiler Dman in the last two games and it wasn’t close.

    Today he is significantly better than Klef.

    PDO texted this and it sums it up:

    “It’s so Oilers to clear out their young D to make room for more young D”

    If the Oilers trade Marincin then they really value visual perception above results.

    I’m not happy about this at all.

    spoiler: Well it appears not, since not one person has commented on him being slower this year.

    Asking skinny players to bulk up is done by ALL the NHL teams.And is generally well-supervised.

    And so we’re left with this statement: The Edmonton Oilers, in an extremely careless moment, chose to send their best defenseman to the minors. For absolutely no reason. Is that what we’re saying.

    I agree with the above – if you believe that he bulked up by eating twinkies or if you believe that gaining weight affected his mobility and performance, then the marching orders over the summer are an issue.

    But they weren’t. This is draft pedigree and MacT seeing Klefbom good in Europe on one shift, as you have repeatedly quoted.

    If they trade Marincin, the only way I would see it as smart would be if both (a) Petry is extended, and (b) if the trade is Marincin + ____ for something greater in return.

  18. slopitch says:

    Bank Shot,

    Marincin isnt a veteran yet. Fayne and Nikitkin are though…

  19. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Yes. He appeared to endorse David Staples lock, stock and two smoking barrels.

    Eakins and Staples are both disciples of Roger Neilson’s scoring chances metric.

    I may not agree with how Staples gathers his data, but the data itself still has value and falls within the Advanced Analytics Pantheon.

  20. Bank Shot says:

    RexLibris: That is one year.

    I looked at Detroit’s draft record going back to ’79.

    Even breaking it down into 5 year segments, Detroit was middle of the pack in terms of finding NHL players. Buffalo and Anaheim lead the pack.

    Detroit finds excellent players, but not on every pick and they can strike out just like everyone else.

    Hakan Andersson is still a genius at identifying talent, and their development model, which benefits from having a strong, stable core of exceptional players, is the gold standard. But not every player they select necessarily becomes a star player.

    As noted, I’ve listed two former 1st round players off the top in Ferraro and Matthias.

    Ferraro and Matthias are second rounders.

    I’m not sure why you would break it down to 1979. You would be merging together different management groups.

    The Wings were over 70% on second rounders in a decade long period. That’s just phenomenal.

  21. Zelepukin says:

    belcolt91:
    Guesses for the D:

    – Nurse will be sent to SSM after his 9 games (World Juniours baby).
    – Marincin will be called up within 15 games, probably game 9
    – Hunt will be sent down when Nikitin returns.
    – Aulie will be next in line after Hunt’s sent down (unless a Shultz gets injured), if Klef starts slipping in any way

    I also think Hunt’s time up on the team will be largely dictated by the success of the PP. If it’s clicking, then chances are he’s apart of that and given how shit our PP has been, success will definitely let us turn a blind eye to the defensive blunders he might have from time-to-time. Its kind of like how Marc-Andre Bergeron’s rocket on the PP did a good job of hiding his horrific give-aways, at least for awhile.

  22. Ca$h-Money! says:

    I don’t like the call, but the reactions are interesting. I’m afraid to go to coppernblue right now, I’m afraid IT might make my phone explode.

  23. Bank Shot says:

    slopitch:
    Bank Shot,

    Marincin isnt a veteran yet. Fayne and Nikitkin are though…

    Fayne and Nikitin were good starts. The Oilers should have kept adding.

    Now they are trotting out a minimum of two rookie defensemen in their opening day roster.

    Just ducky.

  24. RexLibris says:

    Bank Shot,

    My apologies on the round. You are right, both 2nd round picks.

    I looked at each franchise from 79 (or entry to NHL) up to 2009.

    I broke it down by how many picks made 200+ games, how many became “impact” NHL players, how each team did by round, broke it into management groups and decades as well as ranking each team against each year’s draft average.

  25. denny33 says:

    We can debate the merits of the moves, but what can’t be debated is our management talks one way and acts very differently.

    We are about to start a teenager at 2C, playing in the West.

    Petry may be looking four houses in Michigan

    Contrary to what a lot of teams have done, we have not fielded our starting lineup ( minus injuries)
    Once this preseason.

    We start against Calgary, so maybe that will work out fine.

    Ideally, rookies and UFA signings should have had 2 full preseason games together.

  26. SoCaloil says:

    maybe something’s coming in the pipeline

    Klef+ hunt + ? + pick = 2c?

  27. SoCaloil says:

    Or maybe Marincin ate too many twinkies and Bratts and needs to play 25 mins a night

  28. Marcus Oilerius says:

    denny33: Ideally, rookies and UFA signings should have had 2 full preseason games together.

    Nonsense.

    How are you going to optimize your 7-minutes-per-night 4th line if you don’t know if you should ice marginal NHLer Anton Lander or marginal NHLer Will Acton? The difference between the two could be 2, 3, or even 4 goals over the course of the season!

  29. RexLibris says:

    The starting lineup will have until Thursday to practice together and work on their timing.

    If pre-season competition isn’t a fair barometer of the NHL, then it doesn’t necessarily represent a fair test drive for the players to acclimate to one another either.

    Granted, I’d have had Marincin on my top six, but I’m also quite impressed with the number of players who have pushed this far into TC and made so many late cuts. The illustrates the developing depth of the organization as much as sending Draisaitl in as a rookie exposes an organizational shortcoming.

  30. Lowetide says:

    new post up.

  31. TheOtherJohn says:

    Not sure what value would be added by going back to 79. Over the last 10 years who is adding value outside of the first round? Also helpful would be people who can find value in later part of the 1st round.

    Think Oilers had 3 scouts in 79. By 84 they were guessing. And not very successfully

  32. Bank Shot says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Not sure what value would be added by going back to 79. Over the last 10 years who is adding value outside of the first round? Also helpful would be people who can find value in later part of the 1st round.

    Think Oilers had 3 scouts in 79. By 84 they were guessing. And not very successfully

    That’s my point as well. It wouldn’t be the same scouts or managers in place.

    No one judges MacT on the decisions made by Tambellini.

  33. "Frank The Dog" says:

    book¡je:
    This is all about sideburns, Mancerin must not have shaved his properly over the summer.It’s a my way or the highway attitude, talent and skill matter less than how you trim your facial hair.

    You are completely wrong. It’s the ungulated eyeglow.

  34. "Steve" For Real, Let's Undulate "Smith" says:

    Lowetide:
    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer 2m2 minutes ago

    Could be another minor surprise coming for Oilers cuts

    Watch it be Marincin lol.

    LOL!

    Oh, LT, you card.

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