OILERS AT COYOTES G4 2014-15

On a morning like this one, it’s easy to rage and make sweeping statements that go beyond what we know for sure. We know the Oilers are 0-2-1 after three games and the playoffs—never a promise, not with this team—could be gone by month’s end with the points being left on the table. Injuries are starting to pile up (at least one last night, Viktor Fasth in LA) and there’s no relief in sight.

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And yet that’s not really the story. The Oilers ARE a better team than last fall, and I can say that with authority even after a night of very poor play in Los Angeles. The real story: The Oilers are doing some wonky roster things, and that’s clouding the view, and they didn’t get a center dammit all anyway and that clouds it too.

MACT’S SUMMER 2014 LIST

  1. A veteran top pairing defenseman. (Mark Fayne)
  2. A 2line C with experience and the ability to play a two-way game. (Didn’t get it done)
  3. A legit two-way winger who can score 12-15 goals. (Benoit Pouliot)
  4. Find a way to get value, or make use of, Sam Gagner. (Teddy Purcell)
  5. Improve the bottom 6F’s. (Purcell, Draisaitl, healthy Joensuu)
  6. Retain as much of the young cluster as possible. (Retained all of it)
  7. Get Petry signed long term. (Didn’t get it done)
  8. Sign Schultz but DO NOT break the bank. (Got it done, with an explanation).

You may argue with Mark Fayne as the choice, or Pouliot’s contract, but MacTavish did in fact fill in most of the squares. However, on a team that is very weak and inexperiencd up the middle, not getting a veteran center may end up being fatal. It’s easy to throw everything in and say it’s one more disaster after another, but the Oilers are in fact better if:

  • They dress their best players, one of whom is in another state at the moment
  • They address center. Today.

That’s it, that’s all and the rest is just caterwauling and an inability to understand nuance. In the two games the Oilers have been in this year, the club’s possession numbers at 5×5 have been good. Last night was (as Dennis King calls it) a schedule loss and you’d expect (again King) to lose by a couple of goals. We can gnash our teeth over the final score, but that’s not the valuable takeaway here. The strong, strong tell from that game is that on the road, in the Western Conference, you lose plenty of Taylor Hall’s value because he’s on a line badly exposed at center.

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JEFF PETRY

  • Elliotte Friedman: If the Oilers think Jeff Petry is not good enough to dress in Los Angeles, it is time. He’s unrestricted at the end of the year. He’s not going to stay; there is no point in keeping him. Get what you can, end the distraction and move on. Detroit is the obvious candidate, but I can see Anaheim wanting a shot at him, too. Both are looking for right-shot defencemen. Source

This is one big damn shame right here. WHY do the Oilers bother drafting college defensemen when they can’t stand them? It’s a really curious item. If you’re an Oilers’ scout reading this, look for Matt Greene-types at UND and let those skilled guys go to a team that isn’t going to humiliate them. Jesus Mary and Joseph this is tough to watch in the same general era as Tom Gilbert’s exit. As I recall, they left Gilbert behind then traded him, perhaps that’s what they’ll do with Petry. A bitter, bitter shame.

If you’re going to trade him, it’s best to get a center. I’m not even going to try to predict the pairings or the roster, this Oilers management and coaching group are seeing their depth chart differently than anyone on planet earth. However, even trading Petry should give you three reasonable options on LH and RH side:

LEFT DEFENSE RIGHT DEFENSE
NIKITA NIKITIN MARK FAYNE
OSCAR KLEFBOM MARTIN MARINCIN
ANDREW FERENCE JUSTIN SCHULTZ

I’ll bet money the Oilers ice only four of those six after the Petry trade. Whatever ails the Oilers and needs fixing, someone needs to find the glasses they see the defense through and break them into one million tiny pieces. I hope Petry gets signed long term today, but suspect there’s too much water under the bridge. The only explanation I can see for his handling is that Mr. Petry has informed the organization there is no use negotiating a contract he will not sign.

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HAVEN’T WE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE?

I would think the Red Wings and Anaheim are the likely spots for Petry this season, and Edmonton has a few ways to go here. If Craig MacTavish is in the McDavid hunt, then you send Petry down the road for a second-round pick (maybe a third if there’s not enough value). That’s a noxious return, but the price you pay when deciding not to sign him long term. Do you notice how many young blue are getting long term deals these days? Why is that, anyway? I know you know. Anyway, draft picks if they’re prepared to flush the season after three games and don’t care what the fans think about their development time line, but there is in fact plenty of risk here. Surely the Oilers have noticed fan rage is about 9.6 on the meter and dealing Petry for picks isn’t going to help the cause. So, we look for centers, something the organization should have done in the summer, perhaps trading an unsigned Petry (who would have greater value) to a team that liked him.

  • Anaheim has centermen Ryan Getzlaf, Ryan Kesler, Nate Thompson and a very good rookie in  William Karlsson. The Oilers aren’t going to get the Ryans and Karlsson is 21 and they don’t need another child center. Thompson is more 4line than 3line and wouldn’t (imo) be worth a season of Petry.
  • Detroit has miles of centermen and are the better fit. Henrik Zetterberg, Riley Sheahan, Luke Glendening and Darren Helm have been doing the center work this season, with Datsyuk out and both Joakim Andersson and Justin Abdelkader doing wing work so far this season.

I’d be inclined to ask after Helm, an experienced center signed this and next year. If you could run a center depth chart of Nuge, Leon/Arco, Helm and Gordon that improves things at center and you’ll be able to grow Marincin and Klefbom in the NHL this season.

I suspect something else will happen. Do you remember the Smid trade? That ended up being a four-player deal (Smid and Olivier Roy for Roman Horak and Laurent Brossoit) and we could see the same thing happen here. Tomas Nosek or Stefan Noesen may be the ask, or as mentioned above a pick inside the top 100 for 2015.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

It’s a rebuild, ladies. It’s a rebuild. Turning north is my dream too, but trading Jeff Petry now and getting better don’t run the same railroad line, and that’s for sure.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

10 this morning TSN 1260 and I’d recommend tuning in right from the start. Bruce McCurdy from Cult of Hockey has been ripping the cover off the ball since the Schultz scratch yesterday and he’ll kick things off. Sarah McLellan from the Arizona Republic will preview tonight’s game for us, complete with updates on Dubnyk and Gagner, and I’ll say “Phoenix Coyotes” at least once because when it’s in the vault it’s in the vault. At 11, it’s Jonathan Willis from Oilers Nation and the Cult of Hockey and then at 11:25 I’m going to open up the phones/texts and hear what you have to say. Please call/text and bring it, there’s a lot of rage today and I’d like to have some intelligence on the radio. Dave Jamieson kicks by at 11:45 and then we’re talking CFL/NFL and maybe Petry is traded by then.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. I didn’t even have a chance to say I thought Nurse and Yakimov looked okay. Oh well, it’s one of those days.

TONIGHT’S LINEUP (8:15 PM)

  • Hall—Arcobello—Eberle
  • Pouliot—Draisaitl—Yakupov
  • Perron—Gordon—Purcell
  • Hendricks—Acton—Joensuu
  • Ference—Petry
  • Nurse—Schulta
  • Nikitin—Fayne
  • Scrivens (Bachman)

The Oilers sent down Bogdan Yakimov this morning and placed Viktor Fasth on IR, while recalling Richard Bachman and Steve Pinizzotto. Eberle is questionable, if he can’t play I imagine Purcell moves up.

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  1. thepeetso says:

    Maybe this is the nadir?

  2. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Holy F. Every Oiler on the ice f’d up within 3 seconds. Bad bad team.

  3. striker says:

    Not completely unexpected, Oilers were up against an offensive powerhouse tonight…

  4. geowal says:

    I’m out (what am I doing here?)

  5. G Money says:

    Taylor Hall is a team in the National Hockey League!

  6. hunter1909 says:

    Eakins: “Sure there are positives. We quadrupled our goal output. If we keep doing that, we’re going to go far”.

  7. Lucinius says:

    Poor Hall. Poor fucking bastard. He deserves better.

  8. TemujinBC says:

    Hall.

    That’s the last person you want to cough the puck up to in that particular area.

    Nice backhand

  9. Surly says:

    At this rate, Drew Remenda is going to demand a trade out of town soon.

    The only way this gets worse is if Hall demands a trade out.

  10. OilClog says:

    When you thought last night was ugly, we give up 6 to Arizona. But hey! Halls still here! For now

  11. striker says:

    Thus Westgarth was signed to bring in the “toughness” the Oilers lacked in this game.

    .

  12. Diesel says:

    That entire sequence was 100% on Andrew Ference. Had an easy outlet pass to Yak. Looked it off and went off the glass to their dman. Then drifted up expecting the wingers to bail him out and clear the zone. Gets caught. Minus’ all around.

  13. rich says:

    The Oilers are a very poor defensive team in the NHL.

    Taylor Hall is a beast in the NHL.

  14. One-Timer says:

    Taylor is still giving it hell. He deserves so much better.

  15. G Money says:

    Diesel,

    I think Yak’s had a whale of a game. I figured it would take him 20 games to shake off his sophomore slump. Looks like he’s going to do it in under 10.

    Now if only he could have actual NHL defensemen to play with.

  16. LMHF#1 says:

    Surly:
    At this rate, Drew Remenda is going to demand a trade out of town soon.

    The only way this gets worse is if Hall demands a trade out.

    Is it crazy to say that might be the only way this gets better?

    They won’t listen to anyone else telling them how screwed up this is.

  17. striker says:

    Hall keeps trying to put this team on his back but someone keeps tripping him up

  18. Zelepukin says:

    rich: The Oilers are a very poor defensive team in the NHL.

    potentially one of the nicest things said in here over the past 2 days.

  19. thepeetso says:

    #freetaylorhall

  20. delooper says:

    Taylor Hall wants you to win, Steve. Too bad the rest of the Oilers are so indifferent.

  21. wunderbar says:

    When can we talk about the complete systematic failure in the Oilers Dzone? Yes the goaltending needs to be better but whatever system they are trying to deploy in the d zone is just clearly 100% completely broken in the way the swarm was broken early last year.

    I’m not even really sure what to say beyond that. This team is completely lost when they are in their own end without the puck. I’ve had to stop counting the number of times coyotes are just sitting in the slot with no oiler witin 7 or 8 feet of them.

    Also, Arizona has now socred as many goals as the kings did on us.

  22. Snowman says:

    I think of games like this when I hear people talk about Taylor vs. Tyler. I really don’t think Seguin would play the was Hall does on a garbage team like this. Hall kill it night in and night out and often times on his own. Kid is a warrior.

  23. flyfish1168 says:

    D:
    Glad the Oil spent all that money upgrading their D.

    I keep thinking what if we got Boychuk and Leddy instead of Fayne and Nikitin. I believe Snow did a pretty good job.

  24. striker says:

    Analytics in full effect with the early goalie pull. Good stuff

  25. G Money says:

    D:
    Glad the Oil spent all that money upgrading their D.

    Well, that’s not really the problem. The problem is that they think adding two defensemen means they could sit the two they already had. Instead, we get 23 mins of Norris Man, 20 mins of The Captain, and the ability to make the Coyotes and Flames forwards look like the Blackhawks.

  26. Kitchener says:

    Oilers are halfway to winning blowout games all season. Just need to figure out how to score 7 per.

  27. One-Timer says:

    Can they just transfer the captaincy to #4 already? I don’t get it at all.

  28. Lucinius says:

    Schultz moving desperately is about one gear higher than a grandmother with a limp.

    Or am I just being too mean?

  29. 719 says:

    “Steve Smith”: I got a note in the lake house mailbox indicating he just won a Stanley Cup with Detroit.

    I chuckled to myself, hat tip

  30. hags9k says:

    Scrivens is wearing my goat horns, but Nikitin is closing fast.

  31. G Money says:

    Comedy.

  32. Clay says:

    It’s just nuts that this horrible again. Unbelievable.

    That said, Fayne – Nurse look pretty damn good as a pairing. Petry – Ference hasn’t been too bad either. If they would just put Nik “Who Blew That Whistle?” Nikitin on IR and play Marincin with Schultz, we may be getting somewhere.

    But for the love of Baby Stewie, this team has to learn how to play defence. I don’t care how aggressive Eakins wants the system to be, they simply make it easy on opponents every night with the El Matador defensive scheme.

  33. Zangetsu says:

    I was promised after the Calgary game the right to panic if we are winless in 4…

    *Sets house on fire and runs in Circles

  34. flyfish1168 says:

    At this point I don’t care if the other team gets 100 shots on our net and we get 1 shot and win one nothing. I just want a win.

  35. Captain's Log says:

    Norris trophy candidate Schultz with a Norris type play.

  36. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Nikitin is just too slow to be effective

  37. thepeetso says:

    Schultz

    *facepalm*

  38. Lowetide says:

    Schultz opposite Norris on that play.

  39. delooper says:

    Ouch, Schultz. That looks bad.

  40. jp says:

    Perfect. Just so God damned perfect.

  41. RexLibris says:

    The Arizona Coyotes just outscored the LA KIngs against the Edmonton Oilers.

    What would the Vegas line on that have been?

  42. TemujinBC says:

    G Money:
    Comedy.

    Tragedy

  43. thepeetso says:

    Well at least Gagner didn’t score.

  44. One-Timer says:

    Amazing fucking finish by Schultz.

  45. Snowman says:

    Justin “Norris Potential” Schultz ladies and gentleman…

  46. G Money says:

    thepeetso:
    Schultz

    *business as usual*

    ftfy

  47. rich says:

    Zelepukin,

    I know, keen grasp of the obvious.

    Oilers have also helped Arizona break out of their offensive slump.

    P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C

  48. Lucinius says:

    Your Edmonton Oilers.

    On pace for 21 points for the season.

  49. Clay says:

    That should say “that the goaltending is this horrible”.

    Apple iPad garbage…

  50. jp says:

    That’s why 41 is here!! I get it now.

  51. Gret99zky says:

    Meh.

    Give me a good post game quote and some analytics over a win any day.

    Because Oilerfan.

  52. TemujinBC says:

    Good to see some truculence from Will Acton. That’ll show em

  53. OilClog says:

    Nikitin makes looks similar to Whitney, after the injury.

    Schultz game is horrendous, what are they watching behind the bench? It’s awful.

    What happened to Scrivens? Completely different player then last year. This season ended quick

  54. hunter1909 says:

    Strong gesture by Acton.

  55. hags9k says:

    The PAT is good!

  56. G Money says:

    Somewhere Marincin is both laughing and crying.

  57. Snowman says:

    Why did the Gords waste Taylor Hall on this garbage team?

  58. delooper says:

    I’m virtually richer than a few moments ago!

  59. flyfish1168 says:

    G Money:
    Somewhere Marincin is both laughing and crying.

    I’m doing the same too.

  60. striatic says:

    Edmonton led this game at one point.

  61. Younger Oil says:

    At this point I don’t know if this is a tragedy or a comedy. All I know is that I can’t take my eyes off of this train wreck.

  62. OilClog says:

    So is Eakins the coach on Friday?

    I’ll say no.

  63. hunter1909 says:

    Eakin’s Morning Glories head home with a sparkling .125 average.

    At this rate Oilers get 2 lottery picks.

  64. thepeetso says:

    I had a co-worker phone me and tell me he’s switching over to being a Flames fan after 30 years of being an Oilers fan. Hes watching the CHI-CGY game. There was sadness in his voice.

    And I admonished him and called him names.

    After watching this, I think I owe him an apology.

  65. Lucinius says:

    delooper,

    I’m actually richer after this game 🙂

    Betting against the Oilers is smart. Because of them I’m up almost two grand on the season already.

  66. Kitchener says:

    “Fancy Stats” = can count to 22 (GA)

    Can Dellow count that high? I top out at 21.

  67. Bling says:

    WHAT in the world is Andrew Ference doing when he has the puck on his stick with time and space?

    Literally what are the thoughts running through his mind as he rims the puck around the boards or chips it off the glass to NO ONE.

    He does the SAME THING in the offensive zone.

    It NEVER works.

    He KEEPS doing it.

    It NEVER works.

    But he KEEPS doing it!

    Can he keep doing that on waivers? Please?

  68. One-Timer says:

    Fire Eakins, give Hall the C and get Marty back up from OKC.

    For me right now, this would pass for BOLD.

    Over and out.

  69. oilinthepeg says:

    I wish we had a Bryzgalov to talk to the media right now.
    I wonder what is going through these players’ heads…

    This is so frustrating to watch.

    Why can’t this team play defence?

    Yak is a beauty.
    Arco with skill is a wonderful thing.
    …and yes… Taylor Hall is a team in the National Hockey League.

    Our defence corps is a disaster and our ‘system’ is not helping them…
    Goaltending is an issue, and Scrivens should have been pulled at 3-0 to give this team a chance to win.

    ….
    0-3-1 and a Friday night date with the Sedins.
    Lordy.

  70. rich says:

    OilClog,

    I say if they lose Friday and lose Monday to Tampa, Eakins is gone. They will give him a chance w/Nuge back in the lineup, but if they continue to leak goals like this, change is coming behind the bench.

  71. delooper says:

    Lucinius:
    delooper,

    I’m actually richer after this game

    Betting against the Oilers is smart. Because of them I’m up almost two grand on the season already.

    Want to bet your $2000 against my $10 (actually, it’s Steve Smith’s, or ?Kinger? ?Klinger?). Anyhow, I’m promised the money is there, somewhere.

  72. Gerta Rauss says:

    I hope Mactavish remembers that pass from Schultz during contract negotiations next summer. Good night everyone, I’ll be here for Fridays beating

  73. G Money says:

    Flames narrative: “we got outshot 50-18 (plus another 30 blocked shots) but we ‘played with fire'”

  74. D says:

    So if we continue the pattern, will the Oilers allow 8 goals in the next game?

  75. RexLibris says:

    Four games in and this team looks as bad as it ever did last year.

    A bold move would be firing the coach, swallowing your pride, and hiring someone who knows how to run a team.

  76. hunter1909 says:

    Eakins should go attack dog on everyone tonight. Show everyone he means business, is still relevant etc.

  77. delooper says:

    RexLibris:
    Four games in and this team looks as bad as it ever did last year.

    A bold move would be firing the coach, swallowing your pride, and hiring someone who knows how to run a team.

    I don’t know. Wouldn’t that just be more of the same? They fire their coaches all the time and replace with the latest hyped-up everything-is-awesome coach.

  78. hags9k says:

    We have absolutely no chance of heading north with goaltending like this. We are bad on defense, trying to find our way and we simply cannot have below average goaltending. The team does not defend well and if you mix in poor tending, it’s really ugly. Need some fucking saves out there.

  79. LostBoy says:

    So that’s over with. A three game west coast trip was just so not what we needed, savvy mansplainers telling me otherwise notwithstanding.

    Now it gets a little real.

    This big homestand matters. Something credible can happen, or the whole thing can go completely south. But these next games matter.

    It’s going to be interesting.

  80. Snowman says:

    I don’t see them beating Vancouver. I don’t see Stamkos not scoring 17 goals on Monday and I don’t see Ovechkin not scoring 14 more in the next game.

    This is bad. This is really bad.

    Also what’s the record for most goals given up in 4 consecutive games? We’ve got to be close.

  81. "Frank The Dog" says:

    rich:
    OilClog,

    I say if they lose Friday and lose Monday to Tampa, Eakins is gone.They will give him a chance w/Nuge back in the lineup, but if they continue to leak goals like this, change is coming behind the bench.

    Actually the offense is doing ok. It’s the D that sucks and that’s on Ramsay. Or is it on Chabot?

  82. hunter1909 says:

    Dallas Eakins lives in interesting times.

  83. Oilfan90 says:

    Well all i can say between the tears streaming down my face, and the palpitations of my heart is although we have let in over 5 goals a game *loads shotgun*, we have only had two hat tricks scored against us in 4 games! Ha take that other NHL teams. #Freetaylorhall #fireMacteakins #becauseoilers

  84. Bling says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    I hope Mactavish remembers that pass from Schultz during contract negotiations next summer. Good night everyone, I’ll be here for Fridays beating

    I don’t think we have convincing evidence that Mactavish actually watches the games.

  85. G Money says:

    Saw ’em Good: Hall, Yak, Arco, Fayne, Gordon, Purcell

    Saw ’em OK: Eberle, Petry, Drai, Poo, Nurse (for a rookie), Perron, Acton

    Saw ’em Bad: Nikitin, Hendricks

    Saw ’em HOLY FUCKING SHIT MY HAIR IS ON FIRE: Jultz, Ference, Scrivens

  86. jp says:

    Captain’s Log:
    Norris trophy candidate Schultz with a Norris type play.

    Wasn’t that the issue with Belov? For 2M less.

  87. Crooked says:

    I had my annual physical today. The doctor making small talk while giving me the ol’ one-fingered handshake was less uncomfortable than watching the Oilers play this season. What a godawful mess they’ve made of things.

  88. hunter1909 says:

    We can still talk up the dynasty, right?

  89. Snowman says:

    Bling: I don’t think we have convincing evidence that Mactavish actually watches the games.

    This answers so many questions.

  90. Bling says:

    hunter1909:
    Eakins should go attack dog on everyone tonight. Show everyone he means business, is still relevant etc.

    what a dreadful, soul-sapping, energy-wasting trash bag of a franchise.

  91. fifthcartel says:

    That Schultz contract is so bad.

  92. RexLibris says:

    delooper: I don’t know.Wouldn’t that just be more of the same?They fire their coaches all the time and replace with the latest hyped-up everything-is-awesome coach.

    I’m thinking Bylsma. If he says no, then MacTavish can get behind the bench and experience first-hand what the heck is going on.

    If Lou Lamoriello can manage it at his age, so can MacT.

    But like I said, it wouldn’t go that way. They’d promote Nelson and give him a run and watch as the whole thing came crumbling down. Again.

    At this rate, the NHL is going to begin to get very wary of the Oilers’ drafting. Seriously, if Connor McDavid becomes an Oiler by the end of next June there is going to be a massive outcry about a whole generation of 1st overalls getting soaked up in a wastebasket franchise where the league can’t use them for marketing purposes and the other teams lose out of potential talents.

    This is becoming systemic. Granted, the team is without their 1st line C, and arguably a 2C as well for all intents and purposes. So there is that, but I think we are closing in on New York Islander territory here.

  93. Nostradumbass says:

    Lucinius: delooper, I’m actually richer after this game Betting against the Oilers is smart. Because of them I’m up almost two grand on the season already.

    I heard Scott Farrell once when he was on Howard 100 late at night tell a caller that you can “feed your family” betting against the Oilers

    That was like 3 years ago

  94. Oilfan90 says:

    So does this mean Bachman starts friday!?

  95. Bling says:

    G Money:
    Saw ‘em Good: Hall, Yak, Arco, Fayne, Gordon, Purcell

    Saw ‘em OK: Eberle, Petry, Drai, Poo, Nurse (for a rookie), Perron, Acton

    Saw ‘em Bad: Nikitin, Hendricks

    Saw ‘em HOLY FUCKING SHIT MY HAIR IS ON FIRE: Jultz,Ference, Scrivens

    This list is nails.

  96. G Money says:

    fifthcartel:
    That Schultz contract is so bad.

    Meh. It’s a one year contract.

    You wanna know what looks bad?

    23+ mins of ice time every night for Mr. Norris.

  97. striker says:

    thepeetso: I think I owe him an apology.

    You don’t

  98. Snowman says:

    fifthcartel:
    That Schultz contract is so bad.

    Wait till you see his next contact.

  99. thepeetso says:

    RexLibris:
    At this rate, the NHL is going to begin to get very wary of the Oilers’ drafting. Seriously, if Connor McDavid becomes an Oiler by the end of next June there is going to be a massive outcry about a whole generation of 1st overalls getting soaked up in a wastebasket franchise where the league can’t use them for marketing purposes and the other teams lose out of potential talents.

    I wouldn’t worry about that.

    There’s no way Mcdavid puts on that Oiler jersey at the draft.

    I mean they’ll draft him and all . . . he just won’t put on the jersey.

  100. striatic says:

    Ference and Schultz are playing too much. Marincin needs to be called up. Nikitin is a dud and needs to play down the lineup.

    Petry, Marincin. Fayne, Nurse. Klefbom, Jultz. Ference.

    Taylor Hall needs to be captain starting tomorrow.

  101. Nostradumbass says:

    What would the Oilers actually have to accomplish now to make up for the last 8 years?

    In all seriousness I’m not sure a cup win would do it

    I’m starting to think that a decade of 8th place finishes and a few playoff upsets mixed in are far superior to 10 years of this no matter what follows

  102. RexLibris says:

    Well, LT. You’ve got your work cut out for you.

    Pull us back from the ledge. Tell us that some things are going to turn out because there have been darker days before.

    Best of luck to you on that. I’m having a tough time finding bright spots here. Nurse shouldn’t be in this situation and neither should Draisaitl. All the good things this past summer, hiring Dellow, Nicholson, Ramsay, Fayne, Fasth, and so on seem to be vanishing faster than we can count.

    I’ll never cheer for another team, but I’m not sure how much longer we can keep cheering for this one either.

  103. Soup Fascist says:

    This group is soooo far lost in the wilderness that Lassie would not find them if they carried backpacks filled with bacon.

  104. Zangetsu says:

    Someone at Kingsway needs to have a discussion about the direction of this club from a managerial and coaching perspective. Too bad that person either can’t hear because he has six stanley cup rings clogging his ass. The man above him just keeps thinking “OMG 80’s OILERS.”

    What happens next is probably the announcement that advanced stats are witchcraft. They will say they tried it, and it doesn’t work, then bring in tough guys and trade Petry. Then get mad at fans for not believing in the plan, and wondering why they are upset when it is only year 3 (who is counting over there?) Last time we were statistically eliminated by november, I left the sphere, changed my name from Thinker (tp hide the fact I came back), and reappeared from the draft. This team is too good to let this happen again, and yet, there is almost no doubt in my mind it will. Thoughts on a new name?

  105. RexLibris says:

    thepeetso: I wouldn’t worry about that.

    There’s no way Mcdavid puts on that Oiler jersey at the draft.

    I mean they’ll draft him and all . . . he just won’t put on the jersey.

    That has actually crossed my mind.

    McDavid Lindros-ing the Oilers.

    After Nylander, Souray, Heatley, and virtually every season since 2006, it wouldn’t be entirely out of the blue.

  106. rich says:

    “Frank The Dog”,

    I say it’s actually on MacT.

    He didn’t get the job done on 2C.
    He sent Marincin to OKC
    He kept Nurse are forced the coach to play him
    He signed Ference who is not getting the job done
    Nikitin is playing hurt (at least I hope that’s why he hasn’t been good)
    He didn’t get the job done on Petry
    He’s overpromised on Schultz

    I actually think that Eakins not throwing guys under the bus in the media after games is a good thing, but is it too late? You start 0-5-1 and it’s possible the gun is put to your head. You almost have no choice but to make a change.

  107. bretskigretzky says:

    “Dallas Eakins brings an emphasis on fitness, accountability and frankness to his new job as head coach of the Edmonton Oilers.” -Globe & Mail on Dallas Eakins.

    “Justin Schultz has Norris trophy potential.” -MacT

    “I think I know a little bit about winning if that’s ever a concern.” -Kevin Lowe

    “Stick a fork in the Oilers tonight, they’re done” – Coyotes commentators.

  108. hunter1909 says:

    Soup Fascist:
    This group is soooo far lost in the wilderness that Lassie would not find them if they carried backpacks filled with bacon.

    I’ll have a try at this:

    They’re so lost that JAWS couldn’t find them, even if they were all tied together with sirloin steak.

  109. striatic says:

    RexLibris: That has actually crossed my mind.
    McDavid Lindros-ing the Oilers.

    Wouldn’t be the worst thing.

    Could create a bidding war for trading his rights, like what happened with Lindros. Went well for Colorado.

  110. Soup Fascist says:

    Oilfan90:
    So does this mean Bachman starts friday!?

    After seeing Scrivens, I am fine if RANDY Bachman plays between the pipes. At lead the will cover a good portion of the net when he is TCB.

  111. Jigger says:

    I say lets throw 3 million a year to Babcock and see what he can do as Coach & GM. What do you all think?

  112. Zangetsu says:

    Soup Fascist,

    Thoughts on running six skaters instead of Scrivens?

  113. Kmart99 says:

    RexLibris: That has actually crossed my mind.

    McDavid Lindros-ing the Oilers.

    After Nylander, Souray, Heatley, and virtually every season since 2006, it wouldn’t be entirely out of the blue.

    If it’s any consolation, he’s made it pretty clear that he doesn’t agree at all with people who refuse to play for the team that drafts them. I can’t remember the interview, but here’s something close.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2014/09/15/hockey-phenom-connor-mcdavid-wants-to-be-no-1-at-nhl-draft

  114. nycoil says:

    I think Bruce McCurdy’s comment about his 4 steps wins best comment of this thread.
    Close second was Zangetsu’s “promised he could panic after four games” comment.

    This is going to be an interesting couple of weeks. Now, to take the red pill or the blue pill?

  115. vinotintazo says:

    I don’t mind nikitin’s game… he’s one defender that doesn’t panik… petry had a horrible game, so did ference. my gawd. and Scriven’s… man I think those open slot goals are killing our goalies confidence, and STOP HANDLING THE F*CKN PUCK BEHIND THE NET.

    last play by schultz… is like he doesn’t care…

  116. G Money says:

    Zangetsu,

    If you sent Scrivens out as a skater in place of Schultz, I think you might cut down on the goals against by quite a bit.

  117. Kmart99 says:

    Eakins’ job is pretty safe, the oil wouldd have to go like 4-15-2 in the first 21 games in order to put his job at risk. …. is what I said in august at ON. What I should’ve said was: Eakins job is in serious jeopardy, because mgt wants mcdavid, and in order to get him, they’ll need to HS Petry, Cut Marincin, and play Justin Schultz along with Ference a butt load.

  118. G Money says:

    hunter1909,

    They’re so lost, Roseanne Barr couldn’t find them if their uniforms were sewn out of cheeseburgers.

    Definitely a meat theme here.

    As in dead. Dead meat.

  119. nycoil says:

    Jigger,

    Coach, I am all for. I’m leery of teams where coach and GM are one and the same. Besides, last thing we need is another rookie GM.

  120. Snowman says:

    nycoil,

    What about teams where the President used to be a player who used to be a gm who hired a gm who used to be a player who used to be a coach who hired a rookie coach?

  121. Zangetsu says:

    G Money,

    That will make it hard on voters. They would actually have to think about the Norris candidates.

  122. oilinthepeg says:

    Has Jultz made any sort of improvement in his game since he started playing here? When will it not be an excuse that he is learning? He has had plenty of time and is a smart man. He is in way over his head. He succeeded when he was put in situations to succeed based on what he is as a player. I know the Oilers don’t have that top pairing, but very man on this roster looks like they are playing way out of their level, and I don’t see how it gets better. The easy solution is to bring up Marty, but that seems above this joke of an organization’s ability.

    Jultz just needs to sit out a few games then come back in and play 12 minutes in the right situations. Petry-Marincin can play heavy minutes without completely compromising this team’s ability to win games.

    Ference is slow and makes absolutely horrible decisions with the puck. He needs to be talked to by coaches and told his role will be in the room and as a 6/7 D. He just can’t help this team win. He was not good last year. He is absolutely sinking this team this year.

    Fayne is a nice player. He must be super pissed that he signed up for this circus.

    Nikitin is also a liability. With managed ice time maybe he can do some useful things… Not sure.

    At least there was no Brad Hunt this time, but that just meant that Schultz took his ice time and did about the same with it.

    Nurse needs to go back down. Don’t waste this kid on this oilers team right now.
    Leon should go down, too. This is a disaster. They have both looked good, but need to be in sheltered roles which they really cannot be in on this team.

    Yak has looked really good out there. His defensive abilities have really made a turn-around. There is a long way to go, but he is hard on the puck and skates like a demon. What a pleasure to watch! Total class!

    Taylor Hall should wear the C. When you play a game like tonight… The way that he did. That just about earns it for you in one night out. What an unbelievable kid. He would be best served to ask for a trade… But maybe he’s as loyal as we all are…

    Does anyone think this team is doomed by its desire to be the best that they don’t make incremental steps towards just getting a little bit better? We won’t trAde away anything of value, because it’s all in that long term plan to win Stanley… We have this history of winning and winning big. It’s a huge burden, I think. The Oilers will never be satisfied with mediocrity, and therefore will never attain it on the way to greatness…. And I just fail to see how that greatness will come.

    This is an important home stand. There are a lot of things that are going better than they have in the past. Our best players look solid, we are getting our chances… But there are fundamental flaws like team defence, goaltending, and questionable lineup moves that are really hurting us…

  123. Lucinius says:

    Jigger,

    Not enough, actually. There are coaches who make more already. To lure Babcock to Edmonton would take at least 6 mil a year.

  124. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Sigh.

  125. Thor762 says:

    Even the Edmonton Oilers fan facebook page has had enough of this mess. Just changed their profile picture to a faded Oilers logo.

  126. nycoil says:

    Snowman,

    Well, we’ve all seen that tire fire’s tire fire. It’s working out great.

  127. Kmart99 says:

    oilinthepeg:
    Has Jultz made any sort of improvement in his game since he started playing here? When will it not be an excuse that he is learning? He has had plenty of time and is a smart man. He is in way over his head. He succeeded when he was put in situations to succeed based on what he is as a player. I know the Oilers don’t have that top pairing, but very man on this roster looks like they are playing way out of their level, and I don’t see how it gets better. The easy solution is to bring up Marty, but that seems above this joke of an organization’s ability.

    Jultz just needs to sit out a few games then come back in and play 12 minutes in the right situations. Petry-Marincin can play heavy minutes without completely compromising this team’s ability to win games.

    Ference is slow and makes absolutely horrible decisions with the puck. He needs to be talked to by coaches and told his role will be in the room and as a 6/7 D. He just can’t help this team win. He was not good last year. He is absolutely sinking this team this year.

    Fayne is a nice player. He must be super pissed that he signed up for this circus.

    Nikitin is also a liability. With managed ice time maybe he can do some useful things… Not sure.

    At least there was no Brad Hunt this time, but that just meant that Schultz took his ice time and did about the same with it.

    Nurse needs to go back down. Don’t waste this kid on this oilers team right now.
    Leon should go down, too. This is a disaster. They have both looked good, but need to be in sheltered roles which they really cannot be in on this team.

    Yak has looked really good out there. His defensive abilities have really made a turn-around. There is a long way to go, but he is hard on the puck and skates like a demon. What a pleasure to watch! Total class!

    Taylor Hall should wear the C. When you play a game like tonight… The way that he did. That just about earns it for you in one night out. What an unbelievable kid. He would be best served to ask for a trade… But maybe he’s as loyal as we all are…

    Does anyone think this team is doomed by its desire to be the best that they don’t make incremental steps towards just getting a little bit better? We won’t trAde away anything of value, because it’s all in that long term plan to win Stanley… We have this history of winning and winning big. It’s a huge burden, I think. The Oilers will never be satisfied with mediocrity, and therefore will never attain it on the way to greatness…. And I just fail to see how that greatness will come.

    This is an important home stand. There are a lot of things that are going better than they have in the past. Our best players look solid, we are getting our chances… But there are fundamental flaws like team defence, goaltending, and questionable lineup moves that are really hurting us…

    This team needs a 30 min/night #1 dman soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. Not sure how they can get one, but my goodness. As bad as the Centre depth is, the DZONE play is as bad this year as it has ever been.

    I didn’t see Petry as bad as most to be honest (despite some obvious mistakes), but Ference and Jultz looked pretty dreadful by my eye. Nikitin looks really slow right? like REALLY slow.

    Fayne and Nurse looked OK. Petry looked OK.

    The things I would do for a Giordano are unimaginable.

  128. Lois Lowe says:

    I don’t want to jump on to the Jultz dog pile but I have seen him awful for the last two games.

  129. RexLibris says:

    Lucinius:
    Jigger,

    Not enough, actually. There are coaches who make more already. To lure Babcock to Edmonton would take at least 6 mil a year.

    That’s the number that I was considering as well.

    Not sure it’d be enough, but then again, he’d only be here a year before he was fired anyway, so why not?!

  130. Soup Fascist says:

    Zangetsu:
    Soup Fascist,

    Thoughts on running six skaters instead of Scrivens?

    I hate to pile on the guy ……. but he has been so bad. My only question is how did he go from a seemingly competent goalie last year to a quivering bag of jello who handles the puck like it is a hand grenade?

    Same way Dubey regressed from a serviceable 6’5″ professional goalie to a hunched over tender, who – if he was any deeper in his net would be behind it.

    I still think re-signing our goalie coach, Fred Chabot may have been another technical error.

    In terms if the 6th skater it would allow the Oilers to revert back to the glory days of the 30’s when “rover” was an actual position. Finally, a spot that Jultz can call his own! The way Scrivens is playing this is a “goalie optional” squad anyway.

  131. Ribs says:

    Missed the game but, umm… did Schultz really play over 27 minutes? Did he really block 4 shots and stay even for this game? I don’t know any more. I just don’t know.

  132. oilinthepeg says:

    Kmart99: This team needs a 30 min/night #1 dman soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad.Not sure how they can get one, but my goodness.As bad as the Centre depth is, the DZONE play is as bad this year as it has ever been.

    I didn’t see Petry as bad as most to be honest (despite some obvious mistakes), but Ference and Jultz looked pretty dreadful by my eye.Nikitin looks really slow right?like REALLY slow.

    Fayne and Nurse looked OK.Petry looked OK.

    The things I would do for a Giordano are unimaginable.

    Is a trade for a Phaneuf still possible? Maybe we get them to throw in a Bernier, too? Haha.
    Gernat, Simpson, a second and Perron?

    Not sure that would help. Well. It would. But…
    A Gio would be a lifesaver, yes…

    I don’t actually see the C depth losing games for us. Honestly. This is on all of these damn defensive breakdowns… Terrible. Goalies are only to blame for so much of it. But, damn, then making a save once in a while could really help…..
    CAlgary and Arizona games were on the goalies. They were winnable… Despite the train wrecks… But… We couldn’t get a save when we needed it.

  133. G Money says:

    I’m more mad than anything else.

    I haven’t yet lost all shreds of hope.

    If this team is this bad defensively with a steady diet of Petry-Marincin and Fayne-Nikitin (if Nikitin’s ankle is going to get worse by playing, then give Nurse the rest of his 9 games with Fayne while Nikitin heals) as the top 4, and Ference-Klefbom-Schultz rotating on the bottom pairing with Schultz getting heavy PP minutes and as few EV minutes as you can get away – if they’re still anywhere near this bad, then I’ll panic.

    But I just don’t think they will be.

    But for that to happen, Eakins/MacT will need to admit their view of what comprises a good defenseman has been completely clueless so far.

    The question is: what will crack first, Eakins’ job or his ego?

  134. TeeVee says:

    Marty Brodeur is still looking for a job.

  135. Kmart99 says:

    Yeah. Justin Schultz is clearly the golden boy @ 27min/night tonight and 24min last night. My goodness was he bad.

    Not sure how he escaped even on the night. He was the problem on at least 2 goals against that I can remember. one being the empty netter, the other was a pass from behind the net to the slot, but I can’t remember if it was 5v5 or on the PK…. probably PK

  136. G Money says:

    Kmart99: Nikitin looks really slow right? like REALLY slow.

    Yeah, that’s why I’m convinced he’s still got some ankle problems. He didn’t look nearly that slow in the early going. Chaotic, but not slow.

    And that was an awfully fast recovery for what looked like it could have been a season-ender at the time.

    I just hope that rut in the ice isn’t a career-ender like it was with Whitney.

  137. Kmart99 says:

    Arcobello was somehow +3 with 22mins TOI

  138. Gret99zky says:

    The Oilers are so lost they couldn’t find water if they fell out of a boat.

  139. G Money says:

    I think Arco has looked just fine as a 2C stopgap. The finishing so far has been subpar, but the forward lines are not really the problem.

  140. nycoil says:

    Lucinius:
    Jigger,

    Not enough, actually. There are coaches who make more already. To lure Babcock to Edmonton would take at least 6 mil a year.

    6 mil a year? I’ll take it. Then what? Moonbeams shooting out of my fingers and toes and the ends of my hair?

  141. nycoil says:

    Kmart99:
    Yeah.Justin Schultz is clearly the golden boy @ 27min/night tonight and 24min last night.My goodness was he bad.

    Not sure how he escaped even on the night.He was the problem on at least 2 goals against that I can remember. one being the empty netter, the other was a pass from behind the net to the slot, but I can’t remember if it was 5v5 or on the PK…. probably PK

    I would like to believe that Justin Schultz plays more minutes when the Oilers are behind because he is seen as the best attacking defenseman and puck-carrier. Didn’t he play a bit less against the Canucks until the penalty parade forced him to play some PK minutes? Please tell me this is so because I want it to be true.

  142. G Money says:

    OK, I gotta hit the hay. Power’s supposed to be back on in downtown Calgary tomorrow, so I have to get the troops organized and back at their turrets.

    “Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.”

    When is our next scheduled beating? Friday, right?

    Hey, the Eskimos play this weekend, something to look forward to!

  143. wordbird says:

    oilinthepeg:

    Does anyone think this team is doomed by its desire to be the best that they don’t make incremental steps towards just getting a little bit better?

    The whole organization is exactly one-half “saw him good / potential blah blah blah (Schultz? Norris?? snicker)”, and one-half “head stuck so far up its own past it can’t think straight”.
    if the oilers as a whole put as much effort into fixing the NOW as they did trumpeting the future/the glory days gone by…

  144. Captain's Log says:

    Kmart99:
    Yeah.Justin Schultz is clearly the golden boy @ 27min/night tonight and 24min last night.My goodness was he bad.

    Not sure how he escaped even on the night.He was the problem on at least 2 goals against that I can remember. one being the empty netter, the other was a pass from behind the net to the slot, but I can’t remember if it was 5v5 or on the PK…. probably PK

    No both of those goals were even strength. Primary errors on both of them to Justin Schultz in my opinion.

    He was on the ice for Taylor Hall’s first goal and was not a factor in it. He was also on the ice for Arcobello’s goal and was not a factor in it either.

    Yet another reason why no one should give a crap about the +/- statistic. Completely hides Justin Schultz’s terrible play (and vice versa with better players).

  145. Bank Shot says:

    I just watched the highlights tonight.

    Yakupov was all over them doing great things. Then he does a brutal flyby on the 6th Phoenix goal….

    I know everyone has the problems on this team narrowed down to Hunt, Ference, and Schultz at the moment but there are a lot more things going wrong.

    There is just a team wide lack of commitment to defence. Perhaps they should go to the trap for 20 games.

    These guys just need to think about defence first and foremost.

    Giving up 22 goals in any 4 game stretch is a joke, let alone the first 4 of the season.

  146. G Money says:

    Gret99zky,

    Ha, had to give props to that one before Ieaving.

  147. Kmart99 says:

    G Money:
    I think Arco has looked just fine as a 2C stopgap.The finishing so far has been subpar, but the forward lines are not really the problem.

    Yeah, this team’s dzone coverage, along with it’s inability to break the cycle has been so bad it’s hard to imagine it could stay this way.

    They’ve seemed at least average in the Ozone, on the breakout, and even preventing zone entries(Petry, Fayne, and Nurse all look good at this), but once the opposition gains possession in their end, that’s all she wrote: Leave someone open in the slot, puck watch, and no saves from the goalie.

    I think it’s pretty clear that players on the ice can affect a goalie’s sv%, as much as some statisticians want to say there’s no data to support that.

  148. Captain's Log says:

    Bank Shot:
    I just watched the highlights tonight.

    Yakupov was all over them doing great things. Then he does a brutal flyby on the 6th Phoenix goal….

    I know everyone has the problems on this team narrowed down to Hunt, Ference, and Schultz at the moment but there are a lot more things going wrong.

    There is just a team wide lack of commitment to defence. Perhaps they should go to the trap for 20 games.

    These guys just need to think about defence first and foremost.

    Giving up 22 goals in any 4 game stretch is a joke, let alone the first 4 of the season.

    The problem is that even the trap wouldn’t help them. Any kind of forecheck and the Oilers lose possession and it’s the same issue – poor coverage in their own zone.

  149. oilinthepeg says:

    If the players ignore Eakins, why not just put Dellow behind the bench? Worth a shot at this point.
    Save the $6 mil. to sign a goalie? Haha.

    I wish I was kidding.

  150. CrazyCoach says:

    delooper: I don’t know.Wouldn’t that just be more of the same?They fire their coaches all the time and replace with the latest hyped-up everything-is-awesome coach.

    I heard MacT was talking to Tony Robbins for head coach and Tom Vu for revenue generation

  151. CrazyCoach says:

    Soup Fascist:
    This group is soooo far lost in the wilderness that Lassie would not find them if they carried backpacks filled with bacon.

    I’ll have a try to.

    I haven’t seen a beating like this since Clubber Lang-Rocky Balboa I

  152. CrazyCoach says:

    Soup Fascist: After seeing Scrivens, I am fine if RANDY Bachman plays between the pipes. At lead the will cover a good portion of the net when he is TCB.

    Is that Randy Bachman before Jenny Craig?

  153. VanOil says:

    NHL skills coach breaking down an Oilers play by the Captain

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/los-angeles-was-playing-chess-edmonton-was-playing-checkers/

    Trade Schultz for a C

    Sign Petry

    FREE MARINCIN

    Plan leaving parties for Nikitin and Ference (upgraded to NOW)

  154. Freëəəəəədom 95 says:

    A shout out to Willis’s comment at CoH concerning Petry after giving him a game score of shitcan++.

    if he’d had this game before Dallas Eakins healthy-scratched him, people would have been much more understanding

    My view is that players who get pissy because the coach makes a mysterious or unpopular decision don’t belong on the bench sitting beside professionals. If Eakins’ decision yesterday caused Petry to play poorly, I’d move Petry before firing Eakins.

    I’d much rather believe that Petry played his heart out tonight, but his best isn’t particularly good so early in the season after missing the entire pre-season.

    Eakins seems to have a problem grasping the idea that mastering 90% of an aggressive system is pretty much worthless at the NHL level. He doesn’t seem to know how to set up a soft landing in between A and B. He seems to hail from the break but don’t bend school of management. His eyes had a glassy far-away look after the game last night. After tonight’s game, Ference had somewhat the same look. He looked about ready to tear off the C. I could almost see him thinking “Is there no way to earn a regular shift without being first to the microphone after the epic flail?”

  155. thepeetso says:

    It seems to me that Eakins’ systems work really well . . . as long as you have Curtis Joseph circa 1997 in the net.

  156. maudite says:

    I think people really need to stop the piling on any actual players at all here. Seriously.

    If Shultz was set up similar to a yandle development path (which any coach with any sense would obviously be doing), I’m pretty sure I would be just fine with Justin Shultz.

    If you are a business that perpetually manages by putting people in positions above their expected levels systematically, that business will fail. It’s that simple. The marincin and petry debacle is massively alarming. You develop these guys properly, put them through the system and then just start buggering them when they round out properly.

    If you were a management team and you were utterly incompetent for almost a decade but by the grace of god still were given a shot to turn it around, not sitting back and realizing that improperly developing younger talent and rushing them into the league leads more than likely to three things:

    injuries, failure to develop and destructive salary escalation.

    Gagner stagnated and did not really develop past where he started…They did the right thing with Eberle and look how he turned out. MPS will likely pull through with a solid career but only because he didn’t get Oiler’d. Hall and in some respects Nuge simply possessed first overall type talent that is managing to hold up in spite of rushing. Yak has the tool kit and passion but they’ve handled him with malice on top of rushing in.

    The only second round picks to pan out Petry, Marincin actually were developed and for some reason seen as more discardable for whatever reason. As was Gilbert before them.

    IT is just senseless.

    Islanders is too kind of a comparison. Until Tavares they didn’t dredge as deep in the pond as we have. We are on the verge of thrasherdom now.

  157. Zelepukin says:

    VanOil: NHL skills coach breaking down an Oilers play by the Captain
    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/los-angeles-was-playing-chess-edmonton-was-playing-checkers/

    This is gold and clearly the type of stuff that hasn’t been taught to anyone in the past 6 years.

  158. TheNemesister says:

    if Justin Schultz is a Norris candidate, then I’m a fucking ninja…

  159. elgruntus says:

    27 minutes for Schultz, 14 minutes for Fayne according to ESPN.

    Are they awarding ice time according to fitness levels?

    “Peter Principle” Eakins is over is head

  160. LostBoy says:

    So, all else aside, what about Draisaitl? Does it look like he’s going to be well served staying in the NHL this year?

    The Chipchura goal was just so pure Oilers. Three of them plus Scrivens watching the puck behind the net like hawks, all within ten feet of it. Chipchura gliding in with noone within 30 feet of him, directly in the middle of the slot. He was Draisaitl’s man. Draisaitl can’t help being 18.

    It’s close to impossible to argue that the Oilers hadn’t convinced themselves he’d be good to plug in as the 2A or 2B center. Not “let’s give him some games and decide” but firmly set in their minds, written down in pen, no other obvious options on hand.

    And the guy is obviously not ready. I don’t say that as a slam on Draisaitl. Eberle went back to junior twice. It was ridiculous to just sort of assume he’d be ready to do it. Because he trained the summer in Edmonton. Or something.

    Like…now what?

  161. Kmart99 says:

    G Money:
    Somewhere Marincin is both laughing and crying.

    lol

  162. book¡je says:

    Before the game Don Malony was on 630 Ched and made a argument that “The NHL is not a development league”.

    The problem with the Oilers is that their underlying philosophy from Lowe down has some basic flaws. Valuing ‘good Oiler’ Behaviour over hockey play, responding in petulant and costly ways to players who don’t sacrifice to be ‘Oilerlike’, confusing potential with established talent, and using the NHL as a development league. We are into a decade of this accross lots of coaches and 3 GMs. There have been significant differences due to the changes in GM, but these underlying flaws remain.

  163. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Put a fork in Eakins and call it Sunday, folks. He’s done.

  164. Kmart99 says:

    elgruntus:
    27 minutes for Schultz, 14 minutes for Fayne according to ESPN.

    Are they awarding ice time according to fitness levels?

    “Peter Principle” Eakins is over is head

    ICE TIME is being rewarded based on Norris potential.

    MacT and Eakins need to have the smarts to recognize their mistakes and do the following:

    Call up Marincin
    Put in Klefbom
    The current D corps isn’t working and doesn’t know that the slot area needs to be protected. YOU CANT LET THE OPPOSITION JUST SLIDE IN TO THE SLOT UNTOUCHED EVERY GAME

    Put NIKITIN on IR. He looks ok, but my goodness is he slow right now. Like REALLY REALLY slow.
    Put Ference on IR. He also looks much slower than last year. Guys are beating him wide way too easily.

    Play Marincin-Petry 27min NOT SCHULTZ
    Play Nurse-Fayne 25min NOT SCHULTZ
    For now, that’s your top 4. Maybe put Klefbom in place of Nurse.
    Klefbom-Jultz can be your bottom pairing D that get the super soft comp over the next 7 home games and limit Jultz’ time at EVS.

    Nurse has looked raw with the puck, but he’s been winning battles against bigger men, he closes his gaps well, and sadly, has been one of the top 4 d men in my opinion. Although I wouldn’t be against saving him from this disaster and just sending him back to jr.

    Give Schultz your PP mins and soft comp, but he can’t be getting top mins at EVS. just can’t.

    Why can’t you HS your captain? Besides, just because Ference is wearing the ‘C’ doesn’t mean he’s the leader. It seems pretty obvious to me who the leader is. He’s the guy wearing #4.

    BRODZIAK…seriously consider trying to get this guy, or someone of the like. This will allow you to save your new shiny pick Leon.

  165. Ben says:

    Even if they do shit-can Eakins — and it won’t happen before another week or two of this — who do you bring in? Bylsma? Crawford? Sutter? Nelson? Boucher? Ramsay?

    I just pray to his noodliness that it’s someone with ACTUAL NHL EXPERIENCE.

    Of course, it’s hard to judge whatever strategy the coaching staff is trying to implement because they REFUSE TO ALLOT SENSICAL MINUTES TO THEIR BEST LINEUP.

    *sad fart*

  166. PaperDesigner says:

    What concerns me most about. Justin Schultz is that for an offensive defenseman, he seems to be pretty poor at simply passing the puck through the neutral zone. It seems every time he tried to transition the puck up ice, his pass would force a player to stop or miss one entirely, resulting in a turnover.

    His skill at maintaining offensive pressure is better, but it’s almost like he has no skill at passing at any lengths longer than offensive zone passes.

    It concerns me that he has not recognized to this point that puck-moving was not something he recognized as needing work on his aspirations to be a NHL defenseman.

  167. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Realistically, the answer would be for MacT to step in as HC until the end of the year, and either drown with the current associates and assistants, or release Acton and call up Todd Nelson as heir apparent assuming this turns around.

    So MacT makes the calls and Todd does the heavy lifting, and at some point Todd eases across into the HC position. I seem to recall that MacT has had some coaching success in the past so he should either get this roster to work or fix it PDQ.

    Or he could be talking with Dan Bylsma right now. But to bring Bylsma in he’d need to allow Bylsma to bring in is own assistants as he sees fit and have some say in the roster as well.

    I doubt Mike Babcock would coach here, unless he was replacing MacT as well.

    But Nelson has the confidence of the young core, and one of his assistants is already up here. So there is a known entity coming in and ready to go, that knows most of these players as well as the ones on the farm.

    If MacT does not step in and make moves worthy of a senior manager, then all we can conclude will be that this team will suck as long as the BoB’s control it, which is as long as Katz owns it.

    I’d surmise that we may see action sooner than later due to the arena timetable, I dare say that Katz would prefer the present charade not blemish his shiny new toy.

  168. rich says:

    Zelepukin: This is gold and clearly the type of stuff that hasn’t been taught to anyone in the past 6 years.

    The emperor has no clothes!

  169. Kmart99 says:

    McDAVID MUST be the plan right?

    It’s the only thing that makes sense. I seriously can’t understand why Fayne and Petry only got 14 mins last night and Jultz got 27 if you’re not intentionally trying to grab McDavid or Eichel.

  170. "Frank The Dog" says:

    BTW I made a similar mistake to MacT when I started my own business long ago and far away. I too ignored any form of hiring protocol and took on a fellow at a senior level to handle the operations while I focused on business development.
    The lesson I learnt was a bitter one but once I admitted to my error and took ownership of the collateral damage, and took some wise counsel from others who had already made their money, my company exceeded expectations and provided my family with considerable wellbeing for many years.

    If MacT doesn’t bite this bullet – admitting it was a bad hire, letting Eakins go compassionately and moving on – then the bullet will take him down with Eakins.

    MacT has done too many good things in the distant and more recent past for me to give up on him yet. But this is his acid test. Right here, right now.

    There again, Eakins could suddenly turn this whole thing around and I could be chewing on some crow flavoured brick in the process, I’d love that to happen actually but at this point in time that seems unlikely to me.

  171. Ben says:

    Kmart99: the plan

    You….you think there’s, like, a…a PLAN?

    What decisions made by senior management in the last 8 years give you any kind of impression that these people are following a plan?

    Basically, at the very bottom of life, which seduces us all, there is only absurdity, and more absurdity.

  172. JUST********WOWIT says:

    “Tough one to dissect… stop the big mistake… bad luck… loved our effort…”

  173. G Money says:

    I’d like to hear from Ramsay, not Eakins.

    Any reasonable expectations of improvement of the team this year were predicated on: decent goaltending, better defense (+Fayne, +Nikitin), some bigger and/or older NHL forwards, better defensive coaching (Ramsay), better PP (Ramsay).

    The forwards do genuinely look more capable, and there is a whole lot more movement on the PP. Yay.

    All of that is offset by the defense and the goaltending.

    So far the goaltending is not good, but it’s too early to panic, even five or eight game slumps for goalies are common. I’ll wait for Scrivens to adjust before pushing that button.

    But the defense. Holy shit.

    Some of that is bad roster decisions (MM, JP) and the deployment (JS remains the biggest minute muncher), for sure, and those desperately need to get better.

    But Ramsay is a real actual experienced NHL coach, with a reputation for teaching, and a guy with legit defensive chops.

    What does he think is going on?
    Does *he* think it’s just big mistakes and bad luck?
    Does he think the bleeding will stop?
    What’s he going to do about it?

  174. Hammers says:

    Like I said before the game . SAD JUST SAD . My wife hit the nail on the head . Hall , RNH , Eberle & Yak need to ask to be traded as that maybe the only thing that grabs McT & Lowe’s attention .

  175. fuzzy muppet says:

    What’s really sad is that for 8 YEARS(!!!) they have played unwatchable hockey. And I’ve watched most of those shitty games.

    Oh the things I could have done with my life.

  176. russ99 says:

    IMO, our much-hyped and lower performing acquisitions and overpaying on contracts are a direct correlation to Kevin Lowe and the Old Oiler Boy Network ingrained in our pro scouting department.

    Go back and watch that Oil Change trade deadline clip with Tambellini and Morey Gare (who’s still our head pro scout) for some insight.

    MacT made the best call he could with the information he was given. But the information given on pro players has been way off for 8 years.

    Cut off the head (Lowe) and we have a chance. Otherwise it doesn’t matter who our GM and coaches are.

  177. G Money says:

    If the plan is to tank for McDavid, it’s a particularly stupid plan this year because the league has made it harder for the worst teams to win the lottery. Finishing last has only a 20% chance of winning the lottery, down from 25% last year.

    Mind you, I suppose if the plan is to finish 30th and thereby guarantee getting either McDavid or Eichel, maybe it makes more sense.

    But you HAVE to finish 30th.

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