MAYBE I’M AMAZED

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Do you remember in the preseason when MacT talked about Hall being an impact player? And the Oilers needed to find out if Nuge and Eberle could play at a higher level? Do you remember that?

  • MacT: ” (Nuge and Eberle) have a lot of room for growth. … We need to see whether they’re going to be good players or whether they’re going to be star players.” Source

In the last two games, for my money RNH has shown he’s that kind of talent, a star talent. Hall was fabulous in the TBay game, and good not great in the Washington contest. Nuge scored in each game, and both times they were on good shots after hard work. I don’t think Nuge is going to be a Hall talent, a freewheeling talent. He’s going to be Dave Keon, playing important minutes in all three disciplines for the Oilers. He’s climbing that hill, and is emerging as a terrific two-way talent. Wonderful wonderful.

SCORING AFTER SEVEN GAMES

scoring after g7Hall is where he should be (and with a 50% Corsi For via HockeyAnalysis.com), and the veterans like Purcell and Perron are chipping in. Nail Yakupov is doing a helluva job based on icetime and Benoit Pouliot is lagging just a little but he’s also mentoring the German. Leon got a point last night, and for me played his best NHL game. I am very hesitant to change my mind (the Dutch are stubborn, like a macadamia nut) but if he played at that level every night you’d have to consider keeping him. Unfortunately, he has only two games left and at this point sending him back seems to right thing to do.

CORSI FOR 5X5 (HOCKEY ANALYSIS.COM)

It’s still early early days, but I thought it might be worthwhile to post the Corgi’s so far this year.

  1. Jesse Joensuu 56.4
  2. Jeff Petry 55.8
  3. David Perron 54.1
  4. Teddy Purcell 52.3
  5. Andrew Ference 52.1
  6. Boyd Gordon 51.4
  7. Leon Draisaitl 50.7
  8. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 50.4
  9. Taylor Hall 50.0
  10. Nikita Nikitin 49.0
  11. Matt Hendricks 49.0
  12. Justin Schultz 48.6
  13. Benoit Pouliot 48.4
  14. Jordan Eberle 47.3
  15. Mark Arcobello 46.5
  16. Mark Fayne 46.2
  17. Nail Yakupov 42.7
  18. Martin Marincin 35.5

This is everyone but Bogdan (61.5 in 11 minutes), Darnell (56.4), Will Acton (55.6) and  Brad Hunt (54.8). This is a very cool list to look at after last season and the fretting over Taylor Hall’s number, and that 4line—considering the zone starts—has been a major story this season. Concerns? Not many. The Marincin number is in very few games, Yakupov’s is weak but again small, small sample size and the rest are clear of last season pretty much across the board.

jones carolina

If the Oilers win Friday, fans will be talking playoffs. That’s just the way we roll, fickle and emotional and after eight years plucking chickens are you REALLY going to begrudge this? If the season ended today the Oilers would pick No. 6 overall (not really because of GP) and if the club beats Carolina Friday and finds a way to win against Montreal on Monday? I’ll predict a lot of babies delivered in Edmonton on Canada Day 2015.

This town is long overdue for a celebration. Two wins in a row is pretty high ground, three in a row and it could get a little nuts, but beating the vaunted Habs? Come the hell on. The entire city would be a randy bunch before midnight. Lock up your valuables!

matheson draisaitl1Yeah, not quite sure we can approach Leon’s season strictly as a developmental year. If Teddy Purcell and David Perron are scoring at their rates with a ZS push, shouldn’t the Oilers management find a veteran C to match? Doesn’t Craig MacTavish owe it to this team? How many years can you ask Taylor Hall to wait? It would be FIVE this season.

5X5 PER 60 (FORWARDS) VIA BTN

  1. Jordan Eberle 1.85
  2. Taylor Hall 1.64
  3. Benoit Pouliot 1.64
  4. Nail Yakupov 1.60
  5. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.51
  6. Teddy Purcell 1.37
  7. David Perron 1.36
  8. Matt Hendricks 0.81
  9. Leon Draisaitl 0.80
  10. Boyd Gordon 0.76
  11. Mark Arcobello 0.63

It’s early days, but at even strength Arco, Gordon and Leon are below 1.00 per game. Asking Boyd Gordon to do more than he is would be crazy, but considering the ZS’s and the wingers it’s completely possible to improve on current Arco-Leon levels. I think Craig MacTavish needs to do something.

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PETRY AND SCHULTZ

I wrote about these two over at ON yesterday:

  • He (Petry) is not the equal of Justin Schultz in the offensive zone with Edmonton in possession, but I submit Petry is superior in all other disciplines. There is no reason for the Oilers to send Jeff Petry away, they have no cover for him and no one with equal ability and experience to step in. Maybe Craig MacTavish can turn around 40 years of established behavior and sign Petry late in his walk season. That would be a wonderful surprise.

Then Petry went out and played a wobbly game, but the sentiment still applies. There’s a little window of opportunity here, where the Oilers can keep the impressive RH defensive depth chart (Fayne, Petry, Schultz) and find a way to bring the kids along on the LH side (Marincin, Klefbom, Nurse). It’s the right thing to do, tomorrow is not promised to Nikitin nor Ference nor anyone else who is a lesser player than the six.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

It’ll be a ripping show, beginning at 10 this morning on TSN 1260.

  • Dennis King Oilogosphere icon had his gonch in a knot despite the victory and will throw down at 10:05. When he gets worked up, it’s fabulous radio.
  • Mike Ringrose, Associate Director of Vimy Hockey, will discuss Dillon Simpson’s brother Riley (who plays for him in Spruce Grove) and I’ll ask him about Brad Hunt’s shot versus keeping him in the lineup despite defensive issues.
  • Travis Yost from TSN pops in and we’ll talk about the Oilers and their start. Specifically we’ll get into the wild swings (from the Calgary opener to last night) and just how long it takes for a losing team to pull out of a dive. We’ll also chat Senators.
  • Rob Soria from Oil Drop pops in at 11:25, we’ll go over last night’s game, discuss the defense and areas MacT should address before the season gets too old.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide_ on twitter and your questions are always the best so please throw them there or in the comments section! Rave on!

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  1. LMHF#1 says:

    At this point, they need a legit 2C and someone to push Ference way down the chart if they’d like to compete. Those are the two clear moves that could be made. I suspect the first is more likely than the second because of the coach, but we shall see.

    I can think of nothing dumber than a supposedly defensive defenseman making insanely low percentage pinches twice while your team has the lead and Ovechkin is on the ice in the third period. You learn that stuff in Peewee.

  2. leadfarmer says:

    I actually think the Nuge will be a better player than Hall in the long run. He just thinks the game so much better. Teams have figured out that Hall will charge straight at the defense doesnt matter if there is one defender or 5 and then he will turn the puck over. He has great physical attributes but thinking the game isnt his strongest part.

    Now get ready for 1000 comments

  3. Pouzar says:

    LMHF#1:
    At this point, they need a legit 2C and someone to push Ference way down the chart if they’d like to compete. Those are the two clear moves that could be made. I suspect the first is more likely than the second because of the coach, but we shall see.

    This. But neither will happen. Actually maybe one of them will.

  4. TeeVee says:

    LMHF#1:
    At this point, they need a legit 2C and someone to push Ference way down the chart if they’d like to compete. Those are the two clear moves that could be made. I suspect the first is more likely than the second because of the coach, but we shall see.

    They have themselves in an unfortunate situation with Ference. You just don`t bench the captain.

    He needs to do the honourable thing and hand it over to Hall. Then they can start rotating him through the 6-7 slot.

    It`s amazing once you hit those mid-thirties how one offseason can really start to show the sudden decline.

  5. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar: This. But neither will happen. Actually maybe one of them will.

    I honestly think that Klef can push Ference and Nikitin down the chart today.

    MacT needs to clear one of those two out ASAP.

    $8MM worth of meh 3rd pairing LHD

  6. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy: MacT needs to clear one of those two out ASAP.

    How can MacT clear out one of Ference or Nikitin?
    Who would want either of them?

  7. G Money says:

    That Eberle P/60 number is insane considering he’s looked banged up and ineffective every game but the Tampa game, going all the way back to preseason. Big disconnect between the eye and the fancystats right now.

    That Yak P/60 number is a beaut, can’t figure out the +- or the Corsi. Again, big disconnect between the eye and the fancystats right now, but the opposite of Eberle – Yak seems like he’s making something good happen every shift, in all three zones.

    Maybe it’s the ‘seen him bad’ defensive gaffes from Dr. Drai that are driving the numbers. So the theory goes, anyway.

    Perron is third in team scoring and doesn’t have a goal. Crazy times!

    Purcell scoring at a clip comparable to his peak Tampa Bay season, so there is hope that this isn’t just a small sample flash.

  8. thepeetso says:

    TeeVee: They have themselves in an unfortunate situation with Ference. You just don`t bench the captain.

    He needs to do the honourable thing and hand it over to Hall. Then they can start rotating him through the 6-7 slot.

    It`s amazing once you hit those mid-thirties how one offseason can really start to show the sudden decline.

    Yep. There is really no way around it.

    Elephant meet room.

  9. Hammers says:

    God I agree with so much you say but Jones talking about a win Friday puts me off . This team had better work every game including Carolina if they want to get in the mid 80 point range ( still think that’s as good as it will get ) there are no easy games . I would still keep Leon up but would prefer he got some time on the wing but I do agree McT should be getting that other “C” ( Brodziak would do if he doesn’t want to trade Petry or Perron ) .Truth is right now between Arco & Leon a Broadziak goes above both of them and they could alternate at both “C” & the wing . Still hopeing Klefbom is up by Christmas and can get a good 40+ games as its really all about next year .

  10. nycoil says:

    Woodguy: I honestly think that Klef can push Ference and Nikitin down the chart today.

    MacT needs to clear one of those two out ASAP.

    $8MM worth of meh 3rd pairing LHD

    I don’t see this as feasible. Ference with the NMC and Nikitn having just signed here. Let’s wait to see if Nikitin’s ankle is properly healed or not. And I’m saying that having been upset about the NN signing in the first place. I think most people told me I was wrong or overreacting. I probably was.

  11. nycoil says:

    Hammers:
    God I agree with so much you say but Jones talking about a win Friday puts me off . This team had better work every game including Carolina if they want to get in the mid 80 point range ( still think that’s as good as it will get ) there are no easy games .

    This.

  12. nycoil says:

    LT,

    “Maybe Craig MacTavish can turn around 40 years of established behavior and sign Petry late in his walk season. That would be a wonderful surprise.”

    Ales Hemsky.

  13. linkfromhyrule says:

    nycoil,

    Together, they form a really nice 3rd pairing albatross 🙂

  14. Pouzar says:

    G Money:
    That Eberle P/60 number is insane considering he’s looked banged up and ineffective every game but the Tampa game, going all the way back to preseason.Big disconnect between the eye and the fancystats right now.

    That Yak P/60 number is a beaut, can’t figure out the +- or the Corsi.Again, big disconnect between the eye and the fancystats right now, but the opposite of Eberle – Yak seems like he’s making something good happen every shift, in all three zones.

    Maybe it’s the ‘seen him bad’ defensive gaffes from Dr. Drai that are driving the numbers.So the theory goes, anyway.

    Perron is third in team scoring and doesn’t have a goal.Crazy times!

    Purcell scoring at a clip comparable to his peak Tampa Bay season, so there is hope that this isn’t just a small sample flash.

    F^ckin Yak just looks like a solid NHLer right now. Ebs is off. Something not right.

    Purcell has surpassed my expectations. I can see why his Corgis rocked without Stamkos.
    Very smart with the puck and underrated skill.

  15. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: I honestly think that Klef can push Ference and Nikitin down the chart today.

    MacT needs to clear one of those two out ASAP.

    $8MM worth of meh 3rd pairing LHD

    I would be over the moon if that happened but my money is on a 2nd line Center being acquired first. How messed up is that?

  16. Jordan says:

    Last night clearly showed me one thing as a fan – when it comes to Oilers defensemen, don’t praise them.

    Ever.

    Sh*t all over them. All day. And twice on Sundays.

    We say nice things about Petry and he goes out and looks like the lollygagger that a certain segment of the Oilers fanbase has been bemoaning for many a moon.

    But we go out and crap on Jultz’s defensive awareness and he makes some deft plays and smart decisions. Not ALL deft and smart, but it’s a step in the right direction.

    So, Oilogosphere – your new marching orders are to be GIANT PRICKS. Because it’s clearly a causal relationship, and not impacted at all by sample size or the laws of causality.

  17. Hammers says:

    TeeVee: They have themselves in an unfortunate situation with Ference. You just don`t bench the captain.He needs to do the honourable thing and hand it over to Hall. Then they can start rotating him through the 6-7 slot.It`s amazing once you hit those mid-thirties how one offseason can really start to show the sudden decline.

    Maybe next year but don’t bank on it . As long as Eakins is coach Ference is captain until his last year then Taylor new contract & the “C” .

  18. Магия 10 says:

    “If the Oilers win Friday, fans will be talking playoffs.”

    I for one welcome their even playing record.: lossless against the East; winless against the West.

    These streaks project out to 56 points and Buffalo’s lottery ticket. That could motivate the Sabres to trade schedules. In the Eastern Conference the Oil project to 100 points and a trip to the Cup Finals.

    #SmallSampleSizeAlert

  19. Jordan says:

    Pouzar: I would be over the moon if that happened but my money is on a 2nd line Center being acquired first. How messed up is that?

    Ferrence and a 3rd for… 3C?
    Captain Taylor Hall….
    Nikiten, Gernat & 2nd for… 1st paring D?

    There’s a lot of upgrading the Oilers can do mid-season. Buy low…

  20. su_dhillon says:

    Woodguy,

    Is this the real Nikitin? I honestly don’t know, still hoping its injury or getting comfortable on new team but if it is then Oilers are in a mess once Petry gets traded. Either way I would bump his PP time up, try to pump his counting numbers and see if there are any takers at the deadline. He should not be your highest paid Dman.

    With Ferrence I think there is a real divergence in the type of player he thinks he is or thinks he can be and what he actually is. He he takes so many chances flying the zone or chasing guys and gets himself way out of position. Just do your job, keep it simple and try to survive the 45 secs. Most vets simplify their games as they get older he seems to be doing the opposite. Or maybe he was just always a loose cannon and the Oilers missed it.

  21. 106 and 106 says:

    “1. Jesse Joensuu 56.4”

    *whistles* he’s come a long way from last year – a pleasant surprise for someone I didn’t think would win the day in TC.

  22. leadfarmer says:

    I warned against signing Nikitin when I thought he was going to get paid 2-2.5 mil a year. SO you could imagine my shock at that contract. Cant believe MaCT signed him at a KHL salary

  23. Stanley 2018 says:

    This current “win streak” reminds me a lot of the lockout season. Oilers won 10? in a row, basically by scoring goals to get a lead and then leaving Khabibulin to invoke the spirit of Fuhr to win the game.
    As happy as I am to see some W’s, the fact is the Oilers have 2 effective lines (1 & 4), and 2 lines that could be good but are handcuffed by Centres.
    You have to give Drai 20 games before he even starts to get comfortable with his job, and Arco clearly is not the answer. Yak deserves better. Pouilot, Perron, and Purcell deserve better.
    Beating good teams from the East is good and all, but Oilers have to beat Western teams to have any chance of improving, and right now it ain’t going to happen.
    This team is like a donut: tasty around the sides, top and bottom, but with a giant hole in the middle. MacT has brought us this far, time to turn this donut into a muffin.

  24. Caramel Obvious says:

    The good. Coaching. In the first period especially the passing was very slick, with tight organized breakouts and very nice movement through the neutral zone.

    However, this team does not match up in the talent department. Man, the D looked terrible last night. Right now, they have two reliable guys, Marincin and Fayne, three if you want to count Petry, though after last night ….

    So they are at least two D and once center short of being good, with only Klefbom a reasonable possibility on the farm.

    So what do you do? I say you call up Klefbom and Lander and send Draisatl to junior/Europe. Then, if you are somehow still in the chase in January you can start thinking about a trade for both a center and a defenseman.

    What I don’t do is trade any real assets for immediate help. If you can get someone useful for a third round pick or later, or someone like Musil or Gernat, fine. But this team can’t trade asset for asset, only something for nothing.

    So your lines should look like this:

    Hall Line
    Perron–Arcobello-Yakupov
    Gordon line
    Pouliot–Lander–Purcell

    It seems ridiculous to put Pouliot and Purcell there but they can be easily moved up if someone is struggling or injured, plus you get one last chance to rescue Lander’s career.

    As a aside, what’s going on with Joensu. He’s a completely different player.

  25. LMHF#1 says:

    su_dhillon:
    Woodguy,

    With Ference I think there is a real divergence in the type of player he thinks he is or thinks he can be and what he actually is. He he takes so many chances flying the zone or chasing guys and gets himself way out of position. Just do your job, keep it simple and try to survive the 45 secs.Most vets simplify their games as they get older he seems to be doing the opposite.Or maybe he was just always a loose cannon and the Oilers missed it.

    Your last bit is correct and then some. The issue is he cannot play the simple game. He’s no good at it. The simple game for a dman is corners, in front of your own net, and making a tidy first pass.

    He gets owned in the first two and turns the puck over all the time because he blindly shoots it up the boards and thinks that’s the right play.

    It’s one thing to be physically deteriorating. It is another to be making bonehead decisions after this many years in the league.

  26. VanOil says:

    TeeVee: They have themselves in an unfortunate situation with Ference. You just don`t bench the captain.

    The most telling point of the game for me last night happened early in the 3d period. The Oilers period long fire drill was just starting but not yet ingrained.

    Petry and Ference had recovered the puck from a Capitals dump in, there was no immediate pressure likely do to line changes. Young Yakupov hustled back into his zone to give the defenders a short passing option. He takes the pass just inside his own blue line but is going the wrong way. Yak pivots and turns north up the right hand side. In front of him are two pressuring Caps. Seeing his way blocked and not wanting to give up possession on a chip into the neutral zone Yak fires a crisp clean pass from his back hand. The pass hits its man perfectly, a charging Dman on the top of the circle wide open facing the right way with the whole side of the ice clear because Yak had drawn the defenders.

    And then it all goes wrong. The defender 150ft of open ice in front of him fails the LT ability to take and make a pass test. Yes the Captain bobbles the puck and the yakety yak music starts. The Oilers were lucky not to concede a goal. I know the Rexall ice is not what it used to be and in the third periods it is damn near a swamp. Plus mistakes happen, everyone has bad games, but one Oilers defender is not like the others right now. If he can’t or can no longer take or make a pass then maybe he should not be leading the Oilers in ice time.

  27. BDH says:

    …Scans article for the inevitable “Petry is getting traded for nothing. I know because I said so!”

    Logs off without reading anything else…

  28. slopitch says:

    Id like them to sit Drai a game or 2. Give him some time to work on his footspeed. When he started the season he seemed to have a ton of confidence. That was lost from games 3-5 where he looked like Bambi. Last night to my eye he was skating and looked pretty good again. I think the right call is to send him down but you might as well wait the full 9 games. Playing against Carolina may help too. People forget how lost Hall actually looked in his first 10 games. Pajarvi looked much better.

    You can see why Pouliot a 4th overall pick didnt quite develop offensively. I still like the hire but he often does some weird things with the puck.

    There are maybe only 5 teams willing to move centers – Buffalo, Carolina, Philly, Winnipeg and Florida. Slim pickings. I could see Buffalo taking on the Nikinin contract. The term is right for their rebuild.

    Hall and Nuge look completely legit. Ebs is off as many have mentioned. Id wait on him – hes untradable. A top line PVP powerhouse for 18 million is pretty fair.

  29. linkfromhyrule says:

    BDH,

    Please, I’d LOVE to know what else we should do with Petry… He sure seems motivated to sign here

  30. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Right now the Oil should regard the Hurricanes as a trap game. Relax and get your @$$ kicked.

  31. linkfromhyrule says:

    “Frank The Dog”:
    Right now the Oil should regard the Hurricanes as a trap game. Relax and get your @$$ kicked.

    For some reason, it seems like another one of those “guaranteed wins” that they find a way to lose.

  32. WeirsBeard says:

    Woodguy: I honestly think that Klef can push Ference and Nikitin down the chart today.

    MacT needs to clear one of those two out ASAP.

    $8MM worth of meh 3rd pairing LHD

    Ference at this point is a solid 6-7. Think of him versus Strudwick in years past. And has a good attitude, so as a pro shouldn’t pout over getting HS.

    I’m convinced NN is hurting. Weird mobility issues. Guy has great stick handling, and apparently can help the PP.

    Klefbom should be lower event than either of these guys though, and represents cost savings towards a centre, even if its him in the lineup for two weeks vs NN.

    Also, I don’t think trading Petry is an issue, rather it’s trading him for nothing. If he went in a Sather trade, he’d only go at this point for a player with a higher ceiling with other problems forcing him out of some other location.

  33. j says:

    4th line value was one of the most hotly debated topics over the past couple of years. I was in the ‘not that important’ camp. The work this line has done this year has certainly changed my perspective. That said, I don’t think that line would be as heavily relied upon if we had our second line centre but I digress. Great work by them. Amazing what actual NHL players can accomplish when an appropriate role is identified. Re: Ference – this remains the one thing that Eakins hasn’t seemed to figure out in terms of ice time. I suspect this will even out as the other guys get up to speed but for now it looks like he is in the deep end by the middle of the second period. If only we had a long pre-season to allow proper identification of skill sets/pecking order/chemistry. If only…

  34. RBB says:

    Nuger-nova’d the last two games!

  35. Woodguy says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: How can MacT clear out one of Ference or Nikitin?
    Who would want either of them?

    Actual NHL GM’s signed Orpik for $5MM+ and traded for Doug Murray.

    Dmen can always be moved.

  36. Melman says:

    ” (Nuge and Eberle) have a lot of room for growth. … We need to see whether they’re going to be good players or whether they’re going to be star players.”

    Nuge will be a star. I don’t think Ebs will break through beyond very good. Yak might and it would be crazy not to find out while he’s wearing the oil drop. If MacT could pull a 2C out of his hat with picks and prospects then it’ll be sunshine and rainbows until April. Not sure how that’s going to happen though without gashing RD

  37. BDH says:

    L
    linkfromhyrule,

    I have no issue trading him if the return makes sense. I have no issue signing him if the dollars makes sense.

    But Lowtide is on a streak of around 10 articles where no matter the subject, he has to throw in some pouty comment about how the Oilers have already decided to trade him for absolutely nothing and its the WORST MOVE THEY HAVE EVER DONE. Only problem is they haven’t done it, and there is nothing to indicate such.

    Its just getting ridiculous.

  38. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: Actual NHL GM’s signed Orpik for $5MM+ and traded for Doug Murray.

    Dmen can always be moved.

    I long for Nick Schultz. SIGH

  39. Bling says:

    I really like the idea of having Klef play a half season in the AHL.

    He will get better playing big minutes in all disciplines against the opposition’s best players, and maybe we’ll see his offensive game develop a little bit as well.

  40. Woodguy says:

    TeeVee: They have themselves in an unfortunate situation with Ference. You just don`t bench the captain.

    He needs to do the honourable thing and hand it over to Hall. Then they can start rotating him through the 6-7 slot.

    It`s amazing once you hit those mid-thirties how one offseason can really start to show the sudden decline.

    Ference’s CF% by month last year:

    Oct 46.24
    Nov 42.6
    Dec 46.6
    Jan 38.3
    Feb 38
    Mar 40.8
    Aor DNP

    This year he’s 52.1%, but he’s 43.4% away from Petry.

    Its been coming on for a while.

  41. Dan the Man says:

    It’s been fun watching RNH this year, he seems to have combined the offense of his rookie season with his defensive prowess of last year and the result is magical.

  42. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar: I would be over the moon if that happened but my money is on a 2nd line Center being acquired first. How messed up is that?

    Include one of Nikitin or Ference in the deal for the C

  43. TeeVee says:

    VanOil: The most telling point of the game for me last night happened early in the 3d period. The Oilers period long fire drill was just starting but not yet ingrained.

    Petry and Ference had recovered the puck from a Capitals dump in, there was no immediate pressure likely do to line changes. Young Yakupov hustled back into his zone to give the defenders a short passing option. He takes the pass just inside his own blue line but is going the wrong way. Yak pivots and turns north up the right hand side. In front of him are two pressuring Caps. Seeing his way blocked and not wanting to give up possession on a chip into the neutral zone Yak fires a crisp clean pass from his back hand. The pass hits its man perfectly, a charging Dman on the top of the circle wide open facing the right way with the whole side of the ice clear because Yak had drawn the defenders.

    And then it all goes wrong. The defender 150ft of open ice in front of him fails the LT ability to take and make a pass test. Yes the Captain bobbles the puck and the yakety yak music starts. The Oilers were lucky not to concede a goal. I know the Rexall ice is not what it used to be and in the third periods it is damn near a swamp. Plus mistakes happen, everyone has bad games, but one Oilers defender is not like the others right now. If he can’t or can no longer take or make a pass then maybe he should not be leading the Oilers in ice time.

    Gord I remember that play well. I was screaming at the TV.

  44. Woodguy says:

    su_dhillon:
    Woodguy,

    Is this the real Nikitin? I honestly don’t know, still hoping its injury or getting comfortable on new teambut if it is then Oilers are in a mess once Petry gets traded. Either way I would bump his PP time up, try to pump his counting numbers and see if there are any takers at the deadline. He should not be your highest paid Dman.

    With Ferrence I think there is a real divergence in the type of player he thinks he is or thinks he can be and what he actually is. He he takes so many chances flying the zone or chasing guys and gets himself way out of position. Just do your job, keep it simple and try to survive the 45 secs.Most vets simplify their games as they get older he seems to be doing the opposite.Or maybe he was just always a loose cannon and the Oilers missed it.

    The thing I haven”t liked about Nikitin is his decision making.

    He’s stifled the break out often by holding the puck too long.

    He’s put the puck into dangerous areas when safer plays were available.

    If his mobility gets better that’s one thing but his decision making is kinda meh by my eye.

  45. Henry says:

    Bling:
    I really like the idea of having Klef play a half season in the AHL.

    He will get better playing big minutes in all disciplines against the opposition’s best players, and maybe we’ll see his offensive game develop a little bit as well.

    Bling,

    The Oilers have a pretty decent record making useful defensemen this way. Petry played half a year in the A then came up and impressed with his decisions and especially his skating.

    Last year Marincin was the same.

    Previous year Justin Schultz started extremely well with the Oilers after his stint in the A. He ran out of gas at the end.

    Bringing Klefbom up in December or January should be about right. Someone is likely to be hurt at some point.

  46. Woodguy says:

    TeeVee: Gord I remember that play well. I was screaming at the TV.

    And right after that Craig Simpson was blaming Petry for the whole schmozzle.

    Petry was not good last night, but at least twice when Simpson was going on and on about how bad Petry was, it was Ference who made the mistake.

    Conspiracy minded might think that MacT asked his buddy Craig to help grease the skids for Petry’s exit…..

  47. linkfromhyrule says:

    BDH,

    If you don’t like it, I encourage you to start your own blog and write exactly what you would do with a soon to be UFA defenceman who seems to have no interest in re-signing with the team. Don’t really see how lamenting the idiocy of the organization is pouty. Pot, kettle, black.

    He is going to get traded, and we are not going to get a return that makes sense. He has very little value in a trade, but much more value to our team. It is an unfortunate situation to be in, and one that Mact has nobody to thank but himself (and maybe Jeff’s agent).

  48. regwald says:

    From Friedman’s 30 thoughts.

    You can see why Vancouver wanted Martin Marincin as part of the package when the Canucks and Oilers talked Cory Schneider two years ago. To protect a one-goal lead on the final shift against Tampa Bay, Dallas Eakins put him out there with Mark Fayne, Boyd Gordon, Matt Hendricks and Jesse Joensuu as Edmonton held on.

  49. regwald says:

    Also from Friedman, links to speed and acceleration tests with Hall in the mix at the top.

    Hockey Speed tests

  50. Bling says:

    Henry,

    Marincin played 69 AHL games in 12-13 and then 24 in 13/14 before being called up.

    Petry had played 4 years of college hockey and was 22 before he played his first AHL game.

    The fact that Nelson is saying Klef is the best dman on the ice for both teams is encouraging, now let’s see him maintain that level for 30-40 games.

  51. Klima's_Bucket says:

    linkfromhyrule: He is going to get traded, and we are not going to get a return that makes sense

    We can always hope we have an Ales Hemsky situation on our hands.
    Remember at the 2012 Trade Deadline when everybody knew Hemsky would get dealt because even Paul Gaustad fetched the Sabres a first yet the Oilers didn’t trade Hemsky and instead signed him for 2 more years only to deal him for Liam Coughlin and a 3rd a couple years later?

  52. blainer says:

    I agree with keeping Drai up and like the idea of moving him to the wing. Worked well with Seguin and is working well with Galchenyuk as well. Brodziack could probably be had for a third rounder and a decent prospect. They only need to make a couple of more changes. Very pleased with Shultz’s ice time being cut back but am not impressed with the ice time given to Ference. Play MM on the PK more and Ference less.. increase Fayne’s ice time and I think good results will follow. Nikitin has a boomer of a shot on the PP.. the forwards need to get the puck back to him ala weber and subban. We are getting close but do think there will be a trade.

  53. G Money says:

    For all the other good and bad of this team so far, especially defensively, the guy that is by far the biggest surprise to me is Jesse Joensuu.

    Gordon and Hendricks were 2/3rds of a decent shutdown line last year, hampered by Gadzooks. This year, that monster Corsi is at least as much attributable to Joensuu’s outstanding play.

    He’s now consistently looked like the guy we saw for just the first game last season.

    If he keeps this up, we will need to give a major tip of the hat to the pro scouts for a change. That’s exactly the kind of guy you want to pick up for cheap as part of your 6’s and 7’s and 8’s. Outstanding.

  54. Bling says:

    Woodguy: Include one of Nikitin or Ference in the deal for the C

    You need at least 7 good defencemen.

    Trading Nikitin or Ference without getting an upgrade makes the blue line extremely vulnerable to injury.

    If you trade one of those guys and then a top 6er gets hurt, you have Hunt in the lineup, and then we’re back to where we started.

    I think Nikitin has more to give.

    With respect to Ference, they should try limiting his minutes before trading him.

    He may be done as a 20 minute/game player, but maybe he’ll be more effective as a 15 minute guy.

  55. linkfromhyrule says:

    Klima’s_Bucket,

    Hey you’re right, there are similarities between the two!

    MSM blames him for other’s mistakes, certain sections of the fanbase hate him, and his body language is atrocious! Sign the man, then trade him for nothing asap!

  56. Melman says:

    G Money,

    It’s early, but he has been real good and that line has been one of the best items so far this season. Let’s hope he can keep it up. Barring injury I have no idea how they plan to get Gaz in the line-up – and even then I’d rather see Acton as the first to go onto that line.

  57. russ99 says:

    If Schultz keeps putting up points 5×5, I can live with some defensive deficiencies.

    Also if the decision on Draisaitl is to keep him here vs. making a stupid fleece trade for a checking center with limited offense, I’d side with keeping Draisaitl.

  58. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Melman:
    G Money,

    It’s early, but he has been real good and that line has been one of the best items so far this season.Let’s hope he can keep it up.Barring injury I have no idea how they plan to get Gaz in the line-up – and even then I’d rather see Acton as the first to go onto that line.

    My unwavering belief that a healthy JJ would win the day has made me look to the outside world like the genius I have always perceived myself to be. JJ > Pitlick 2014-2015 all day. Now hopefully that kid puts up some actual points in the AHL this year.

  59. OilCanFan says:

    Why do a lot of people assume the C should go to Hall next? I think RNH is worthy of it as well. Better yet, do the San Jose thing and just strip the C and bench Ference whenever possible.

    I’ve hear lots of negativity towards Joensuu based on his play last year, but people need to remember that he was injured most of the time and when he did play, he was probably still hurting. Back injuries definitely slow you down. He was okay up until he got injured.

    I also think Nikitin is injured and I also think Eberle is hurting as well. If they are, they should sit out until better able to contribute. It looked like the play died a lot on Eberle’s stick last night.

  60. G Money says:

    Melman,

    Apparently, the Oilers are currently carrying a 22-man roster, so they can bring Gadzooks back without actually changing the on-ice roster at all.

    Actual NHL hockey players seem to defend the value of the goon much moreso than pasty academic pencil-pushers like me, mentioning “confidence” and such like.

    So I say let Gadzooks warm the bench for 59 minutes a night, and give the players the “confidence” they need.

    Just don’t let him play.

    I guess the only exception to that will be later in the year when the Flambes wake up and finally realize that they are in fact an incredibly shitty team; during the ensuing 10-2 Oiler beatdowns, the Hartley goon squad may come out and Gadzooks may have a role to play.

  61. Melman says:

    G Money,

    I hear you, but even if Gazdic simply slides on the 23 – who would you currently pull out to put him in? The correct answer is no one.

  62. G Money says:

    “Frank The Dog”:
    Right now the Oil should regard the Hurricanes as a trap game. Relax and get your @$$ kicked.

    Yup, I’m worried about this game – it is 100% a trap game. The Oilers would get full of themselves pretty easily after (rare) wins last season.

    If the Oilers keep playing the same way as the TBay game, the middle 45:00 of the Calgary game, the first period of the Wsh game (there are flashes), and get decent goaltending from Scrivens, they should win this one.

    But they cannot afford a letdown.

    The Oilers do not have the luxury of taking any team in the league lightly.

  63. BDH says:

    linkfromhyrule,

    Yeah, I get that. Everyone gets that. There’s nobody that doesn’t get that. But would you like to hear about my plan to solve world hunger? Well I’ll tell you right after PETRY IS GETTING TRADED FOR A 5TH ROUNDER.

    And then to create world peace I’m going to MACT IS AN IDIOT FOR MOVING OUR BEST DEFENCEMAN FOR TWO 7TH ROUND PICKS!

    Every frickin article man. Game day blogs: PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!. Nuge’s contibutions:PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!., Yaks icetime: PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!

  64. 9,998,383,750,001 says:

    Eakins is going to decide that Drai is too much a student of the game to send down. He realizes that this comes with cost in the output of Drai’s veteran wingers. But he also realizes that Drai is well situated to drink from the fire hydrant of consistent, savvy, veteran linemates, if he’s got the mental ability to do so. If he can drink from the fire hydrant, and he plays with enough grit and consistency that Eakins isn’t terrified to give him his minutes, I think he stays.

    If too much of his invaluable schooling is falling onto the floor, Eakins will move him out. It’s one thing to hold a recent lesson in short term memory, it’s another to move those same lessons into permanent skill memory, with a constant stream of new lessons still flooding in.

    Eakins is going to base his decision on whether Drai is a coaching carousel or an escalator. The carousel is the player whose mind is a four-element FIFO with five lessons he needs to learn and retain at the same time.

    If Drai is an escalator, Eakins isn’t going to lose too much sleep worrying about the speed of the escalator. He’ll let a highly determined Drai set his own pace, because that’s all you can do as a coach, anyway.

    We the chicken pluckers perceive this decision as quantitative (as piece-workers always do), but I’m guessing that for Dallas the qualitative component dominates.

    Carousel or escalator?

    That’s why he’s giving Drai the full nine yards of the nine game trial. He’s trying to find out whether Drai’s saturated mind remains additive or flips into cyclical overwrite.

    Just my wild guess.

    ———

    I realized I misspelled Kryten yesterday. I probably misspelled his name once long ago and added it to my spelling checker. The FF spelling checker has no GUI support for removing dictionary mistakes.

    Double Polaroid

    Curiously, there’s a funny line about the last chicken in the shop. I hadn’t seen this one before, and didn’t know Kryten had ever referenced his own dust bag. I guess the choice boils down to dust bag or bare bottle, and he doesn’t look the bare bottle type.

    Face pumping ambivalence

    Worse Than Playing Away at Leeds

    We do?

    Sometimes the simplest words are funny, too.

  65. McSorley33 says:

    Well, some of us here are not surprised at Nikitin……

    Petry is in limbo and counting down the days until he becomes a UFA.

    A. Ference is going to get paid by Mac T for two more years after this one to play for the Oilers

    Nikitin at 4. 5 million for this year and next.

    Perhaps explains why Ferarro and co. have so much respect for Oiler management.
    ************************************************************************************************
    Agree with Pouzar – I am surprised at what Purcell has done. A smart player.

    And Eberle must be nursing an injury….seems to be fighting the puck as well.

    Ink is still wet on NN contract.

  66. McSorley33 says:

    “Frank The Dog”,

    Right now the Oil should regard the Hurricanes as a trap game. Relax and get your @$$ kicked.
    **********************************************************************************************
    Impossible – Hurricanes don’t have enough NHL players to field a team.

    With all their injuries -Hurricanes would lose a lot of games in the AHL.

  67. McSorley33 says:

    Woodguy,

    And right after that Craig Simpson was blaming Petry for the whole schmozzle.
    Petry was not good last night, but at least twice when Simpson was going on and on about how bad Petry was, it was Ference who made the mistake.
    Conspiracy minded might think that MacT asked his buddy Craig to help grease the skids for Petry’s exit…..
    **********************************************************
    This x 10000000000000000000000000

    Then after smearing Petry a over the top adjectives and praise on J. Schultz…..

  68. 9,998,383,750,001 says:

    Upstairs, downstairs. A white couch in every room!

  69. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    I haven’t been paying too much attention to Gagner, but had a peek today and saw that he is 5 GP, 0 pts, -2. Has anyone seen some of his play (other than against Oilers) or has any perspective on how he is playing for AZ? Is he slotted at 1 or 2C?

  70. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Found this on Gagner.

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nhl/coyotes/2014/10/22/arizona-coyotes-dave-tippett-sam-gagner-nhl/17745535/

    Seems reasonable that he is trying to get his footing early in new environment.

  71. su_dhillon says:

    McSorley33:
    Woodguy,

    And right after that Craig Simpson was blaming Petry for the whole schmozzle.
    Petry was not good last night, but at least twice when Simpson was going on and on about how bad Petry was, it was Ference who made the mistake.
    Conspiracy minded might think that MacT asked his buddy Craig to help grease the skids for Petry’s exit…..
    **********************************************************
    This x 10000000000000000000000000

    Then after smearing Petry a over the top adjectives and praise on J. Schultz…..

    I think its less planned, they go for beers Mactavish spends night killing Petry, Simpson goes on tv and all he sees is Petry mistakes and hears Craigs voice in his head.

  72. anonymous says:

    BDH:
    linkfromhyrule,

    Yeah, I get that. Everyone gets that. There’s nobody that doesn’t get that. But would you like to hear about my plan to solve world hunger? Well I’ll tell you right after PETRY IS GETTING TRADED FOR A 5TH ROUNDER.

    And then to create world peace I’m going to MACT IS AN IDIOT FOR MOVING OUR BEST DEFENCEMAN FOR TWO 7TH ROUND PICKS!

    Every frickin article man. Game day blogs: PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!. Nuge’s contibutions:PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!., Yaks icetime: PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!

    There’s quite a few oiler blogs out there.

  73. delooper says:

    G Money:
    For all the other good and bad of this team so far, especially defensively, the guy that is by far the biggest surprise to me is Jesse Joensuu.

    Gordon and Hendricks were 2/3rds of a decent shutdown line last year, hampered by Gadzooks.This year, that monster Corsi is at least as much attributable to Joensuu’s outstanding play.

    IMO this is a sign of a basic fact that the Oilers have been on the wrong side of for far too long. Put a prospect in a position to succeed, and often-enough they will. Put them in a position to fail, and unless they’re a super-hero, they’ll fail. It’s why Edmonton has been shedding so many good prospects in the past 8 years. It’s why good players come to Edmonton and look bad. “Bad” players leave Edmonton and look good.

    Joensuu is finally in a position where he has a strong supporting cast for the role the Oilers want him to play. Surprise-surprise he’s looking good.

    The 80’s Oilers could develop so many young kids at the same time because they had enough of a veteran core and enough generational talents that could succeed in any circumstances. Kevin Lowe’s Oilers shouldn’t be trying to follow that model. It’s a mistake. A mental trap. It’s why it’s taking so long for the Oilers to pull themselves out of the gutter.

  74. icecastles says:

    Well Oiled and Enthusiastic:
    I haven’t been paying too much attention to Gagner, but had a peek today and saw that he is 5 GP, 0 pts, -2. Has anyone seen some of his play (other than against Oilers) or has any perspective on how he is playing for AZ? Is he slotted at 1 or 2C?

    Here are his BTN numbers.

    Looks like he’s been getting a pretty good ZS push (62.2%), but is finishing poorly. CorsiRel -0.414, PDO .88, ZF 57.7%.

    I don’t see any great numbers on there, but not shockingly horrible either. Kinda seems like a non-factor either way.

    Playing 13:05 per night, 5 games in, not a single point. Of course it’s still very very early and the Coyotes play a dramatically different style than Sam played in his first 7 years as an NHLer.

    edit http://www.rotowire.com/hockey/player.htm?ID=2784 shows his TOI per game as 16:06. 9 SOG so far so just under 2 shots per game. 6 PIMs, 6 registered hits. 2:21 per game PP time.

  75. Woodguy says:

    BDH:
    linkfromhyrule,

    Yeah, I get that. Everyone gets that. There’s nobody that doesn’t get that. But would you like to hear about my plan to solve world hunger? Well I’ll tell you right after PETRY IS GETTING TRADED FOR A 5TH ROUNDER.

    And then to create world peace I’m going to MACT IS AN IDIOT FOR MOVING OUR BEST DEFENCEMAN FOR TWO 7TH ROUND PICKS!

    Every frickin article man. Game day blogs: PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!. Nuge’s contibutions:PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!., Yaks icetime: PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!

    Dental Plan!

  76. Woodguy says:

    McSorley33:
    Woodguy,

    And right after that Craig Simpson was blaming Petry for the whole schmozzle.
    Petry was not good last night, but at least twice when Simpson was going on and on about how bad Petry was, it was Ference who made the mistake.
    Conspiracy minded might think that MacT asked his buddy Craig to help grease the skids for Petry’s exit…..
    **********************************************************
    This x 10000000000000000000000000

    Then after smearing Petry a over the top adjectives and praise on J. Schultz…..

    To be fair Jultz was better than Petry, Ference and Nikitin last night.

  77. Pouzar says:

    Stauffer confirms Eberle dealing with upper body issue. Been dealing with it since beginning of season.

  78. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    icecastles,

    Thanks. Looks like ice-time is a bit tepid but maybe navigating acclimation for Gagner and feeling out where best he situates.

  79. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    G Money,

    I concur on this. He has been great. My biggest surprise observation is his skating seems stronger this year with some more tight in agility than I thought he possessed. Likely unveiling how tough his injury was last year on him skating and engaging. Really like what I see out there.

  80. stevezie says:

    anonymous,

    A little early in the morning to be kicking people out, isn’t it?

  81. JustWatt79 says:

    Pouzar,

    The dreaded shoulder?!?!

  82. GXL says:

    Would anyone consider a Yakupov for Couturier trade?
    EDM gets a legit #1-2C with size, has skill and defensively responsible, is in the same age range as RNH, Hall and Eberle
    PHI gets a developing talent, has warts in his game right now but has shown the skill that made him #1 overall, will complement Giroux nicely.

  83. Woodguy says:

    GXL:
    Would anyone consider a Yakupov for Couturier trade?
    EDM gets a legit #1-2C with size, has skill and defensively responsible, is in the same age range as RNH, Hall and Eberle
    PHI gets a developing talent, has warts in his game right now but has shown the skill that made him #1 overall, will complement Giroux nicely.

    In a heartbeat and I love me some Yakupov but Couturier is going to be the next Bergeron but better.

  84. Woodguy says:

    BDH:
    linkfromhyrule,

    Yeah, I get that. Everyone gets that. There’s nobody that doesn’t get that. But would you like to hear about my plan to solve world hunger? Well I’ll tell you right after PETRY IS GETTING TRADED FOR A 5TH ROUNDER.

    And then to create world peace I’m going to MACT IS AN IDIOT FOR MOVING OUR BEST DEFENCEMAN FOR TWO 7TH ROUND PICKS!

    Every frickin article man. Game day blogs: PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!. Nuge’s contibutions:PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!., Yaks icetime: PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!

    Lisa need braces!

  85. Pouzar says:

    JustWatt79:
    Pouzar,

    The dreaded shoulder?!?!

    Not sure. Would make sense.

  86. Bling says:

    GXL:
    Would anyone consider a Yakupov for Couturier trade?
    EDM gets a legit #1-2C with size, has skill and defensively responsible, is in the same age range as RNH, Hall and Eberle
    PHI gets a developing talent, has warts in his game right now but has shown the skill that made him #1 overall, will complement Giroux nicely.

    My only concern with that type of deal is that we don’t know what Yakupov is, in particular given his low TOI.

    Look at Seguin:

    Age 19: 12:13
    Age 20: 16:56
    Age 21: 17:01

    Here’s Hall:

    Age 19: 18:13
    Age 20: 18:13
    Age 21: 18:37

    Here’s Stamkos:

    Age 19: 14:56
    Age 20: 20:33
    Age 21: 20:12

    Now here’s Yakupov:

    Age 19: 14:34
    Age 20: 14:19
    Age 21: 12:52

    Yakupov is doing positive things every time he hits the ice, and DE needs to reward him with the big minutes.

    Friday is a good time to start giving him the push.

    Yakupov breaking out this year could be the difference between making the playoffs and not making it.

  87. icecastles says:

    Woodguy: In a heartbeat and I love me some Yakupov but Couturier is going to be the next Bergeron but better.

    Then keep him the hell away from Scrivens.

  88. Klima's_Bucket says:

    GXL,

    Yes. Everyday and twice on sundays.

  89. Adam Wu says:

    Time to stop calling the Gordon line a “fourth” line. By minutes played, they are a second line. By money paid they are a second line. By quality of play they are a second line.

    They are the Oilers’ second line right now.

    We have 3 scoring lines and 1 shutdown line, but it is not a 1-2-3-scoring 4-shutdown, it is 1-power vs power scoring, 2-shutdown vs power, 3-sheltered scoring, and 4-utility scoring with some sheltering.

    There have been teams in this league who ran with success 4 shutdown lines and no scoring lines, getting all their offence opportunistically.

    ie “shutdown” =\= “fourth”

    About the only rational reason to call the Gordon line a fourth line is to trick the opposition into matching against them as if they were a fourth line….

  90. Hammers says:

    Seems like lots of you have Petry gone ,traded , Ference not good enough and Nikitin on the edge and we all seem to think there is only one , Klefbom that can come up so we are back where we were last year only now its Fayne / Marincin ; Schultz / Klefbom . Maybe McT should look at Petry for another “D” instead of a “C” so that would probably mean Petry @ R for a L maybe with 1 or 2 years left on a contract if the teams McT talks to really need the Righty D . Then you have to split Ference & Nikitin for the 6-7 , because nobody is taking either of those contracts at least till deadline 2016 . This is just speculation but maybe If his going Petry goes for another “D” . Doesn’t answer the “C” question .

  91. Lowetide says:

    @LowdownLowetide shows are available https://soundcloud.com/lowdownwithlowetide

  92. Hammers says:

    Adam Wu: Time to stop calling the Gordon line a “fourth” line. By minutes played, they are a second line. By money paid they are a second line. By quality of play they are a second line.They are the Oilers’ second line right now.We have 3 scoring lines and 1 shutdown line, but it is not a 1-2-3-scoring 4-shutdown, it is 1-power vs power scoring, 2-shutdown vs power, 3-sheltered scoring, and 4-utility scoring with some sheltering.There have been teams in this league who ran with success 4 shutdown lines and no scoring lines, getting all their offence opportunistically.ie “shutdown” == “fourth”About the only rational reason to call the Gordon line a fourth line is to trick the opposition into matching against them as if they were a fourth line….

    Very good point and accurate as well based on TOI .

  93. Lowetide says:

    BDH:
    …Scans article for the inevitable “Petry is getting traded for nothing. I know because I said so!”

    Logs off without reading anything else…

    But you’re missing the “LEON HAS TO GET SENT DOWN” and the “WHAT’S WITH THE PENALTY KILL” pouts. I got a million of ’em! Come for the anger, stay for the pettiness!!!!

  94. russ99 says:

    GXL:
    Would anyone consider a Yakupov for Couturier trade?
    EDM gets a legit #1-2C with size, has skill and defensively responsible, is in the same age range as RNH, Hall and Eberle
    PHI gets a developing talent, has warts in his game right now but has shown the skill that made him #1 overall, will complement Giroux nicely.

    No way. If we’re adding defensive-oriented players who can’t contribute on offense, we shouldn’t give up elite scoring talent to do so.

    The hype on Couturier is blinding, and the numbers don’t back it up.

    IMO, the Flyers are a bad trading partner for us, unless you want the Oilers to go full on Predators-mode.

  95. judgedrude says:

    icecastles,

    This made me sad…

  96. sliderule says:

    Leon played pretty damn good last night.

    He had a couple of minor errors but he played strong and showed his best defensive awareness so far.

    He is not as slow as folks prattle on about.He is like most big guys he takes a step or two to get going but once up to speed he is okay.Thats kind of like other big guys like Getzlaf and Benn.Like them he is very unlikely to get faster.

    If we had a real number two center you could consider sending him back.That would not be for his development but to make the oilers stronger.

    Right now he looks like our best option to make the oilers stronger especially in last half of season.

  97. G Money says:

    icecastles,

    I’m pretty sure WG meant Patrice Bergeron, not Marc-Andre!

    That said, it was ball-kickingly painful to have to rewatch “How to Lose A Stanley Cup in 12 Seconds”, so thanks for that.

  98. VanOil says:

    9,998,383,750,001:
    Upstairs, downstairs.A white couch in every room!

    Long live white couches.

  99. book¡je says:

    BDH:
    linkfromhyrule,

    Yeah, I get that. Everyone gets that. There’s nobody that doesn’t get that. But would you like to hear about my plan to solve world hunger? Well I’ll tell you right after PETRY IS GETTING TRADED FOR A 5TH ROUNDER.

    And then to create world peace I’m going to MACT IS AN IDIOT FOR MOVING OUR BEST DEFENCEMAN FOR TWO 7TH ROUND PICKS!

    Every frickin article man. Game day blogs: PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!. Nuge’s contibutions:PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!., Yaks icetime: PETRY’S GETTING TRADED FOR NOTHING!

    I don’t understand why you think Petry is going to get traded? xplain please.

  100. gvblackhawk says:

    Adam Wu:
    Time to stop calling the Gordon line a “fourth” line. By minutes played, they are a second line. By money paid they are a second line. By quality of play they are a second line.

    They are the Oilers’ second line right now.

    We have 3 scoring lines and 1 shutdown line, but it is not a 1-2-3-scoring 4-shutdown, it is 1-power vs power scoring, 2-shutdown vs power, 3-sheltered scoring, and 4-utility scoring with some sheltering.

    There have been teams in this league who ran with success 4 shutdown lines and no scoring lines, getting all their offence opportunistically.

    ie “shutdown” =\= “fourth”

    About the only rational reason to call the Gordon line a fourth line is to trick the opposition into matching against them as if they were a fourth line….

    I call them the fourth line but it’s really just nomenclature. — a label if you will. Would it make people feel better if we referred to the lines as A, B, C, D? That way, no ‘ranking’ is implied.

  101. anonymous says:

    stevezie:
    anonymous,

    A little early in the morning to be kicking people out, isn’t it?

    Hate it when people yell to push a point.

  102. icecastles says:

    G Money:
    icecastles,

    I’m pretty sure WG meant Patrice Bergeron, not Marc-Andre!

    That said, it was ball-kickingly painful to have to rewatch “How to Lose A Stanley Cup in 12 Seconds”, so thanks for that.

    I know (to both points). but everyone seemed relatively cheerful in here today and it was weirding me out.

  103. rogue says:

    I may be walking on thin ice here, and I know its early, but blog favorite Hemsky is -4 and 1 assist so far this year playing on a highly skilled Dallas team. It must be only a matter of time before he breaks out and shows his true talent level.

    Yup.

  104. thepeetso says:

    gvblackhawk: I call them the fourth line but it’s really just nomenclature. — a label if you will.Would it make people feel better if we referred to the lines as A, B, C, D?That way, no ‘ranking’ is implied.

    B is way better than D.

    Call them apple, purple, tennis and porcupine. Then you can find no ranking whatsoever.

  105. Lowetide says:

    rogue:
    I may be walking on thin ice here, and I know its early, but blog favorite Hemsky is -4 and 1 assistso far this year playingon a highly skilled Dallas team. It must be only a matter of time before he breaks out and shows his true talent level.

    Yup.

    Rogue has gone Rogue. I have in the Smid room.

  106. Woodguy says:

    russ99: No way. If we’re adding defensive-oriented players who can’t contribute on offense, we shouldn’t give up elite scoring talent to do so.

    The hype on Couturier is blinding, and the numbers don’t back it up.

    IMO, the Flyers are a bad trading partner for us, unless you want the Oilers to go full on Predators-mode.

    Hype eh?

    Let’s have a look.

    Where would Sean Couturier fit on the OIlers in terms of 5v5 pts/60?

    Remember that he plays the toughest comp (like Hall, RNH, Eberle)

    Remember that he gets shitty zone starts like Gordon (currently Couturier 28%OZS)

    Here’s the Oilers 5v5 pts/60

    Jordan Eberle 1.85
    Taylor Hall 1.64
    Benoit Pouliot 1.64
    Nail Yakupov 1.60
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.51
    Teddy Purcell 1.37
    David Perron 1.36
    Matt Hendricks 0.81
    Leon Draisaitl 0.80
    Boyd Gordon 0.76
    Mark Arcobello 0.63

    Couturier is 2.85 right now.

    His most common line mates are Matt Read and RJ Umberger.

    So a guy who faces the best like Hall, RNH and Eberle, but starts in his own zone like Gordon and puts up 2.85pts/60 5v5 so far this year is all hype?

    What the hell qualifies as substance in your world?

  107. commonfan14 says:

    Lowetide: Come for the anger, stay for the pettiness!!!!

    Come back for the bi-monthly “Star Trek: The Next Generation” references!

  108. Woodguy says:

    rogue:
    I may be walking on thin ice here, and I know its early, but blog favorite Hemsky is -4 and 1 assistso far this year playingon a highly skilled Dallas team. It must be only a matter of time before he breaks out and shows his true talent level.

    Yup.

    Yup.

    Hemsky started the year with Spezza with Eaves and Cole subbing in on one side.

    Ruff mixed up the lines when nothing was working and now he’s on DAL 3rd with Fiddler and McKenzie

    In terms of 5v5 TOI last game it broke down like this:

    BENN SPEZZA SEGUIN
    ROUSSEL GARBUTT EAKIN
    FIDDLER ALES HEMSKY MCKENZIE
    COLE HORCOFF SCEVIOUR

    If you want to talk about expensive 4th lines, have a look at this one.

    Cole 4.5MM
    Horc 5.5MM

    Nill is going to have around $25MM in free up cap space to use next summer and only key player who needs a contract is Spezza.

    Watch out for DAL

  109. icecastles says:

    Woodguy,

    Jesus those are some sweet numbers. I’ve been on board with finding a way to acquire Coutourier for a while, but that definitely helps strengthen my feeling.

    IIRC, Coutourier was ranked #1 by many for a big part of his and Nuge’s draft year and was LT’s hands down favourite until RNH forced the issue and took over the lead.

    What was the original knock on him that pushed him from potential first overall to 8th?

  110. anonymous says:

    icecastles:
    Woodguy,

    Jesus those are some sweet numbers. I’ve been on board with finding a way to acquire Coutourier for a while, but that definitely helps strengthen my feeling.

    IIRC, Coutourier was ranked #1 by many for a big part of his and Nuge’s draft year and was LT’s hands down favourite until RNH forced the issue and took over the lead.

    What was the original knock on him that pushed him from potential first overall to 8th?

    Believe he had mono his draft year.

  111. LoDog says:

    Woodguy: Hype eh?

    Let’s have a look.

    Where would Sean Couturier fit on the OIlers in terms of 5v5 pts/60?

    Remember that he plays the toughest comp (like Hall, RNH, Eberle)

    Remember that he gets shitty zone starts like Gordon (currently Couturier 28%OZS)

    Here’s the Oilers 5v5 pts/60

    Jordan Eberle 1.85
    Taylor Hall 1.64
    Benoit Pouliot 1.64
    Nail Yakupov 1.60
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.51
    Teddy Purcell 1.37
    David Perron 1.36
    Matt Hendricks 0.81
    Leon Draisaitl 0.80
    Boyd Gordon 0.76
    Mark Arcobello 0.63

    Couturier is 2.85 right now.

    His most common line mates are Matt Read and RJ Umberger.

    So a guy who faces the best like Hall, RNH and Eberle, but starts in his own zone like Gordon and puts up 2.85pts/60 5v5 so far this year is all hype?

    What the hell qualifies as substance in your world?

    Come on now Woodguy, for someone who preaches about sample size and such lets not use a hot start 7 games into the season as the basis of anything. How about the much larger sample of his entire career to date with a high of 13 goals. Yes he gets the crappy zone starts and is good defensively but he gets a crazy amount of hype around here for that.

  112. G Money says:

    Woodguy,

    By that measure, Mason Raymond (7 pts in 8 games) is going to outscore Taylor Hall this year.

    C’mon man, you know your comparisons are cooked. Couturier has spurts every year where he looks like a scoring superstar. He hasn’t shown any indication that they will last.

    The top 3 forwards drafted in his year (RNH, Landeskog, Huberdeau) sit at 0.72, 0.69, and 0.49 ppg since then. Couturier has played more games than all of them, but sits at 0.40 ppg. That’s not even Horcoff (0.53 ppg) or O’Reilly (0.55 ppg) territory.

    So the QualComp and OZ% arguments don’t hold much water in my books. You don’t draft a forward at #8, and then throw him out with grinders against top quality competition and bury his zone starts because you somehow know that at 18 years of age he’s a defensive stud.

    No.

    If he’s drafted #8 (and was in the running for #1 at points that year), it’s because he was a scoring star in Jr. So you start him on a scoring line. If over the following seasons, he falls into a defensive role, it’s because he’s demonstrated that he can’t score consistently. NO coach is going to take an offensive superstar and force him to constantly play defense with slugs for linemates. Doesn’t happen.

    I get why you like Couturier – he’s got a ton of good things going for him, and I’d take him on my team any day.

    But scoring wise, he’s closer to Boyd Gordon (0.25 career ppg) than he is to RNH.

    If he keeps up the pace this year and ends up in even remotely elite scoring territory (say, 0.6ppg or better) for the first time in his career, I’ll happily eat my words.

    But I wouldn’t bet that way.

  113. GXL says:

    Yakupov is doing positive things every time he hits the ice, and DE needs to reward him with the big minutes.

    Friday is a good time to start giving him the push.

    Yakupov breaking out this year could be the difference between making the playoffs and not making it.

    I understand the sentiment with not trading someone like Yakupov away, but you can’t get a quality player without giving something up. I like Yakupov a lot but I think this might be a good fit for the Oilers. I don’t think Couturier will live up to Yakupov’s scoring potential but he will addresses the teams immediate needs: size, centre who can play 200′. He also has shown some offensive upside as well. He would also fit in with the “age group” with another two years on a “cheap” contract. Yes we have some nice potential with Kharia and Yakimov coming down the pipe, but Couturier is what we are hoping the two will potentially be in the future. Let’s hypothetically say Yakimov plays some games in the NHL this year, I’d imagine it will take him a bit of time until he will be able to push the river. Meanwhile one more year of Hall’s “good” contract is being burned developing.

    GXL

  114. Genjutsu says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy,

    By that measure, Mason Raymond (7 pts in 8 games) is going to outscore Taylor Hall this year.

    C’mon man, you know your comparisons are cooked.Couturier has spurts every year where he looks like a scoring superstar.He hasn’t shown any indication that they will last.

    The top 3 forwards drafted in his year (RNH, Landeskog, Huberdeau) sit at 0.72, 0.69, and 0.49 ppg since then.Couturier has played more games than all of them, but sits at 0.40 ppg.That’s not even Horcoff (0.53 ppg) or O’Reilly (0.55 ppg) territory.

    So the QualComp and OZ% arguments don’t hold much water in my books.You don’t draft a forward at #8, and then throw him out with grinders against top quality competition and bury his zone starts because you somehow know that at 18 years of age he’s a defensive stud.

    No.

    If he’s drafted #8 (and was in the running for #1 at points that year), it’s because he was a scoring star in Jr.So you start him on a scoring line.If over the following seasons, he falls into a defensive role, it’s because he’s demonstrated that he can’t score consistently.NO coach is going to take an offensive superstar and force him to constantly play defense with slugs for linemates.Doesn’t happen.

    I get why you like Couturier – he’s got a ton of good things going for him, and I’d take him on my team any day.

    But scoring wise, he’s closer to Boyd Gordon (0.25 career ppg) than he is to RNH.

    If he keeps up the pace this year and ends up in even remotely elite scoring territory (say, 0.6ppg or better) for the first time in his career, I’ll happily eat my words.

    But I wouldn’t bet that way.

    I think the player has been behind some very good offensive options early in his career to be fair to him. He’s had to do the tough sledding as a teen and done very well in that role.

    We can’t really judge his offense based on that.

  115. rogue says:

    LT.

    Lol. Sorry LT. I always saw the talent, but never saw the consistency. Was always operating on his own wavelength.It was the same with Raffi . 1 great game and then 10 games where he was near invisible.

    Mind you, they were great games.

    Watch him prove me wrong by the quarter pole.

  116. Lowetide says:

    rogue:
    LT.

    Lol. Sorry LT. I always saw the talent, but never saw the consistency. Was always operating on his own wavelength.It was the same withRaffi . 1 great game and then 10 games where he was near invisible.

    Mind you, they were great games.

    Watch him prove me wrong by the quarter pole.

    No worries. I was just kidding. It’s not like Hemsky is Marc Pouliot! 🙂

  117. VanOil says:

    Woodguy: Sean Couturier

    Sean Couturier is likely even less available now than my old hobby horse Brock Nelson. Why trade Yakupov for either of them? Jultz and his soon to be painful contract and the bags of left handed defenders in our system seems to be a better basket of assets to shop around. A stop gap Center need not cost the world.

    Where I would go shopping with big assets is on Defense. The Oilers are not good enough and if MacT feels Jultz is our best defender than we are in trouble because he is not good enough to shelter the talented kids coming up on the left hand side. Neither is Ference or Nikitin and as we have learned above LT is running Petry out of town.

    My current bid is Jultz + Gernat or Musil + 2016 1st for Myers and Grigorenko. Buffalo hardly needs more 1st round picks this year and are likely to be flush with talented young centers after this years draft. As an added plus the Oilers might feel the Garth Snow push and ice a competitive team next year. Myers would be good enough to shelter Marincin or Klefbom and Fayne could have the other. Nurse can play the chaos minutes with the Captain on the bottom pairing.

    A Marincin-Myers pairing would have one hell of a wing span. Klefbom’s energy would be well schooled by a pro like Fayne. If Nurse had to spend the first half of next year in the AHL until Nikitin could be moved so be it, more seasoning good.

  118. RexLibris says:

    Carolina’s lineup tonight against the Syracuse Bulldogs:

    Tlusty – Nash – Semin
    Skinner – Rask – Lindholm
    Terry – McClement – Boychuk
    Brown – Sutter – Malone

    Sekera – Faulk
    Harrison – Gleason
    Hainsey – Murphy

    Ward
    Khudobin

  119. Lowetide says:

    Riley Nash, No. 1 center.

  120. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Lowetide: Riley Nash, No. 1 center.

    Martin Marincin, No. 1 Dman.

  121. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Riley Nash, No. 1 center.

    Yep.

    Here’s what I wrote over at FN to introduce him to the fans there:

    Riley Nash.

    Former Oilers 1st rounder.

    They traded up to get him in 2007 – the 30th and 36th picks.

    He refused to sign.

    They traded him to Carolina for the pick that became Martin Marincin.

    The answer to “who is the Carolina Hurricanes’ first line center” is: Riley Nash.

    The answer to “where will the Hurriances’ be sitting at the draft this June” is: very close to the stage.

    The Carolina Hurricanes are a team in the National Hockey League.

  122. G Money says:

    Genjutsu: I think the player has been behind some very good offensive options early in his career to be fair to him. He’s had to do the tough sledding as a teen and done very well in that role.
    We can’t really judge his offense based on that.

    Couldn’t you make the same argument for Hertl (listed as a C) in San Jose behind Couture and Thornton?

    Or Landeskog, ROR, and Mackinnon in Colorado, who sat behind Stastny and Duchene?

    All those guys have been stuck behind a C group which strike me as considerably better offensive options overall than the duo of say Giroux and any of Lecavalier/Schenn/Rinaldo.

    If anything, Couturier is less blocked at top two line C than those others. Yet his numbers trail them by a wide wide margin.

    My point is – if Couturier is an elite scorer, his team would have found a way to put him in a scoring role. Either because he beats out Brayden Schenn, or like Colorado, because they move him into a winger role.

    So I conclude: he’s not an elite scorer. His numbers confirm this. Therefore, if you’re trading for him, expect to get a really really good young 3C – but don’t pay for him like he’s a 2C or a 1C. That would be incredibly foolish.

    Couturier is only 21, so he may yet prove me wrong. But there have been studies that look at the development of star forwards, and by the age of 21, you should have a solid glimpse of what they’re going to be. And a 0.40 career ppg with a peak of 0.49 ppg is not 1C or 2C territory.

  123. Woodguy says:

    LoDog: Come on now Woodguy, for someone who preaches about sample size and such lets not use a hot start 7 games into the season as the basis of anything. How about the much larger sample of his entire career to date with a high of 13 goals.Yes he gets the crappy zone starts and is good defensively but he gets a crazy amount of hype around here for that.

    Ok.

    Let’s check back in 20gms, 40gms and 60gms.

    It’s still damn impressive.

  124. Woodguy says:

    G Money: Couldn’t you make the same argument for Hertl (listed as a C) in San Jose behind Couture and Thornton?

    Or Landeskog, ROR, and Mackinnon in Colorado, who sat behind Stastny and Duchene?

    All those guys have been stuck behind a C group which strike me as considerably better offensive options overall than the duo of say Giroux and any of Lecavalier/Schenn/Rinaldo.

    If anything, Couturier is less blocked at top two line C than those others.Yet his numbers trail them by a wide wide margin.

    My point is – if Couturier is an elite scorer, his team would have found a way to put him in a scoring role.Either because he beats out Brayden Schenn, or like Colorado, because they move him into a winger role.

    So I conclude: he’s not an elite scorer.His numbers confirm this.Therefore, if you’re trading for him, expect to get a really really good young 3C – but don’t pay for him like he’s a 2C or a 1C.That would be incredibly foolish.

    Couturier is only 21, so he may yet prove me wrong.But there have been studies that look at the development of star forwards, and by the age of 21, you should have a solid glimpse of what they’re going to be.And a 0.40 career ppg with a peak of 0.49 ppg is not 1C or 2C territory.

    You assume they’d put him in a position to score if he could.

    Yet his usage since his 18 tear old rookie year has been toughest comp, toughest zone starts and not much help on the wings.

    How is that putting him in a position to see if he can score?

    Read is the best winger he has had.

    Matt Read.

    Also,

    You are assuming that the organization that traded for and then extended for 5 years at 5MM Andy McDonald, the only Dman in the NHL who gets regular top 4 minutes and puts up worse possession numbers than Jack Johnson makes optimal roster decisions.

    *drops mike*

  125. jb says:

    They’re averaging over 4 goals against a game.. they’re bad, and at best might trend to somewhat of an average team.

    Alter every players corsi number by +10% it won’t matter, or -10%, it won’t matter, they’re still bleeding goals and quality chances against.

  126. LoDog says:

    Woodguy,

    Let’s.

    To be clear, I like the kid, always have back to his draft year, if he finally explodes offensively I will be happy for him. Evidence to date though doesn’t suggest that will happen.

  127. G Money says:

    Woodguy:

    Read is the best winger he has had.
    Matt Read.

    You are assuming that the organization that traded for and then extended for 5 years at 5MM Andy McDonald, the only Dman in the NHL who gets regular top 4 minutes and puts up worse possession numbers than Jack Johnson makes optimal roster decisions.
    *drops mike*

    *picks up, dusts off mike*

    That same organization, while a cluster fuck defensively, has been pretty darn good offensively over the last three seasons. Top 10 each season I believe.

    I suggest to you that whatever else they may be doing, they do seem to know a thing or two about making good roster decisions with their forwards.

    So I’d say it’s a pretty darn good bet that Couturier’s a 3C because his scoring is not good enough for a 2C.

    Should I also point out that Matt Read has outscored Couturier every year they’ve been in the league, and is ahead of him on a career basis by a fairly wide margin (0.53ppg vs 0.4ppg)?

    *drops mike, hits toe, hops around on one foot, nonchalantly pretends nothing happened, walks off stage limping*

  128. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy,

    By that measure, Mason Raymond (7 pts in 8 games) is going to outscore Taylor Hall this year.

    C’mon man, you know your comparisons are cooked.Couturier has spurts every year where he looks like a scoring superstar.He hasn’t shown any indication that they will last.

    The top 3 forwards drafted in his year (RNH, Landeskog, Huberdeau) sit at 0.72, 0.69, and 0.49 ppg since then.Couturier has played more games than all of them, but sits at 0.40 ppg.That’s not even Horcoff (0.53 ppg) or O’Reilly (0.55 ppg) territory.

    So the QualComp and OZ% arguments don’t hold much water in my books.You don’t draft a forward at #8, and then throw him out with grinders against top quality competition and bury his zone starts because you somehow know that at 18 years of age he’s a defensive stud.

    No.

    If he’s drafted #8 (and was in the running for #1 at points that year), it’s because he was a scoring star in Jr.So you start him on a scoring line.If over the following seasons, he falls into a defensive role, it’s because he’s demonstrated that he can’t score consistently.NO coach is going to take an offensive superstar and force him to constantly play defense with slugs for linemates.Doesn’t happen.

    I get why you like Couturier – he’s got a ton of good things going for him, and I’d take him on my team any day.

    But scoring wise, he’s closer to Boyd Gordon (0.25 career ppg) than he is to RNH.

    If he keeps up the pace this year and ends up in even remotely elite scoring territory (say, 0.6ppg or better) for the first time in his career, I’ll happily eat my words.

    But I wouldn’t bet that way.

    You are making a mistake I think you are too smart to make.

    You assume:

    -equal opportunity
    -equal line mates
    -equal opposition

    You mentioned Gordon as a comp.

    He’s been getting the Gordon treatment (including line mate quality) since he was 18.

    All things are not equal.

    Ceteris parabus should not be assumed when comparing players.

  129. Adam Wu says:

    Seems to me the crux of this Couturier discussion is whether or not his good numbers in the small sample size of this early season represent a sign that he is about to ascend to a new level in his development, or whether or not he’ll be regressing back to his mean numbers from prior years.

    He’s in the same draft year as RNH, and would have had similar draft pedigree if not for an untimely illness. If we’re all excited about the possibility that Nuge could go supernova this year, then surely that is not an unreasonable possibility for Couterier.

    But if so, it would be lunacy for Philly would be contemplate trading him…. (from their perspective he’s found gold – a top 3 draft choice they got for number 8 solely because they were lucky (and he wasn’t) thanks to the mono.)

  130. icecastles says:

    An invisible dragon is eating the sun right now.
    If we sacrifice a defenseman we will appease the gods and they will return the sun to us.

  131. Woodguy says:

    G Money: *picks up, dusts off mike*

    That same organization, while a cluster fuck defensively, has been pretty darn good offensively over the last three seasons.Top 10 each season I believe.

    I suggest to you that whatever else they may be doing, they do seem to know a thing or two about making good roster decisions with their forwards.

    So I’d say it’s a pretty darn good bet that Couturier’s a 3C because his scoring is not good enough for a 2C.

    Should I also point out that Matt Read has outscored Couturier every year they’ve been in the league, and is ahead of him on a career basis by a fairly wide margin (0.53ppg vs 0.4ppg)?

    *drops mike, hits toe, hops around on one foot, nonchalantly pretends nothing happened, walks off stage limping*

    2 things:

    1). They did have scoring which may have led them to making Couts into a checking C.

    2) The organization that gave a long contract to Lecavlier knows what they are doing eh?

    *crushes mike under heel*

    *grinds up shards into powder and snorts it*

  132. G Money says:

    Woodguy: Ceteris parabus should not be assumed when comparing players.

    What I’m saying is that the hard and fast numbers, usage, deployment, and the players ahead of Couturier suggest strongly that he is not a scorer, that he’s being used as a checker because that’s what he’s good at.

    The rest of the argument is trying to form a narrative around why the numbers might be wrong. I go with Occam’s Razor until proven otherwise.

    And I will be perfectly OK with it if young Mr. C proves me wrong!

    Woodguy: 2 things:

    1). They did have scoring which may have led them to making Couts into a checking C.

    2) The organization that gave a long contract to Lecavlier knows what they are doing eh?

    *crushes mike under heel*

    *grinds up shards into powder and snorts it*

    *tickles WG’s nose with feather, forces sneeze*

    Contracts are given by the GM. Players are deployed by the coach. You cannot conflate them, or use evidence of (in)competency in one area as proof of (in)competency in the other area!

    *mops up icky nose mike dust*

  133. Woodguy says:

    G Money: *picks up, dusts off mike*

    That same organization, while a cluster fuck defensively, has been pretty darn good offensively over the last three seasons.Top 10 each season I believe.

    I suggest to you that whatever else they may be doing, they do seem to know a thing or two about making good roster decisions with their forwards.

    So I’d say it’s a pretty darn good bet that Couturier’s a 3C because his scoring is not good enough for a 2C.

    Should I also point out that Matt Read has outscored Couturier every year they’ve been in the league, and is ahead of him on a career basis by a fairly wide margin (0.53ppg vs 0.4ppg)?

    *drops mike, hits toe, hops around on one foot, nonchalantly pretends nothing happened, walks off stage limping*

    Couts 4 most common forwards in his career:

    Read
    Talbot
    Rinaldo (man.)
    Downie (el oh el)

    Read:

    Couts
    Simmonds
    Downie
    Vorachek
    (next is Giroux….)

    *draws picture of mike*

    *names it Steve Smith*

    *gets sued by mike*

  134. icecastles says:

    The sun has returned… I’m checking Twitter to see where Petry was traded.

  135. G Money says:

    Woodguy,

    Read is a good example there.
    – Most common linemate
    – Started same year as Couturier
    – Has outscored Couturier every single season since

    Is Read holding Couturier back, or is Couturier holding Read back?

    The argument is symmetric and equally valid either way, though Read’s superior scoring suggests stronger evidence for b.

    More sensible to assume they play together so much because (more than one) coach thought they were well matched and well suited for their roles.

    Hence … Occam’s Razor. Couturier is a checker because that’s what he’s good at … until he proves otherwise!

    *draws picture of “Steve Smith”*

    *gets papercut*

    *sues himself for negligence*

  136. icecastles says:

    G Money,

    Okay, I’m on board. Let’s trade Petry for Coutourier, then trade Coutourier for Read!
    Yaaarrrrrrr.

  137. book¡je says:

    Anyone seen my mike? I lent it to Woodguy last week.

  138. G Money says:

    icecastles,

    Now that, my friend, is some solid solid GM’ing!

    book¡je,

    Errr … is it shaped approximately like this bruise on my big toe?

  139. icecastles says:

    book¡je:
    Anyone seen my mike?I lent it to Woodguy last week.

    Woodguy put it to work mining for data

  140. gcw_rocks says:

    Woodguy: In a heartbeat and I love me some Yakupov but Couturier is going to be the next Bergeron but better.

    Even when Leon is ready, you can always role Couturier as the 2LW or the 3C. It’s a match made in heaven.

  141. russ99 says:

    Since I spun us off into this tangent, you also have to take into account what kind of role he would play here and with who would be his linemates? Hat other repercussions would the move have for the rest of the roster, much less the fan backlash?

    With Yak gone we’d be running short of true scoring wingers – and we have none on the farm or even close to making an impact even next year.

    Would he have a scoring role or would he have to do heavy lifting? Plus bringing in a player like that would have profound repercussions on the kind of hockey team were puting out every night.

    For good or bad, the Oilers have an identity of an offensive oriented club, so would winning a bit more and going away from that be really worth it? And look at Nashville, they have an even better goalie and top quality defensemen and they can’t break into the conference finals.

    I think he’s an interesting player, but not one we could get without giving up a Yak or Eberle, and thus not worth it. If we want a defensive oriented player with some offensive upside, there’s many others out there that would cost a whole lot less.

  142. Walter Sobchak says:

    Question.

    Still learning advanced stats.

    What if any does shooting percentage have on the impact of 5×5 play?

    If what I’ve read is correct ,13 is a good %?

    Taking that into account , would Hall-RNH-Percell and Eberle not come down to that average? thus affecting there 5×5 number?

    I ask cause it looks to me that Yakupov is slowly catching up to Eberle in almost every category and not that far off his corsi 5×5.

    Yakupov is also sitting at 11% which is close to that 13 mark.

    Given the level of line mates and TOI can we not make an assumption that Yakupov would be ready for that push?

    Then again I might be reading this stuff wrong still.

  143. SK Oiler Fan says:

    regwald,

    Really cool stuff. Thanks for the link. Who would have thunk that the best players are the best skaters

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  145. Bling says:

    On second thought…

    if you can get Couturier for Eberle+, maybe that’s a deal you make.

    Yakupov slides up in the order, Draisatl stays as a 3rd line winger.

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