NO. 6 PROSPECT (winter 2014): GREG CHASE

The period after a prospect is drafted through his arrival as an NHL player can be filled with trials and tribulations. When the challenges come from inside the organization you play for, that can be doubly difficult. As much as fans/media/observers like to be “on the inside” there’s really no way to know what happened in the Greg Chase case. I can tell you that his usage has been a curio on this blog for some time now, but beyond that I can’t comment. It is too bad, because no matter what happens from here, Greg Chase is going to be a guy who has some unusual things in his past that we cargo into the future, as needed. Greg Chase a scratch? What happened? And on we go. The on-ice arrows on this kid are all good, the off-ice arrows are probably fine but we now have this voice in our collective ear. Forever.

PREVIOUSLY NUMBER SIX ON THE WINTER LIST

  • December 2004: R Colin McDonald
  • December 2005: D Matt Greene
  • December 2006: D Tom Gilbert
  • December 2007: C Kyle Brodziak
  • December 2008: L Liam Reddox
  • December 2009: L Linus Omark
  • December 2010: L Curtis Hamilton
  • December 2011: G Tyler Bunz
  • December 2012: D Martin Gernat
  • December 2013: C Bogdan Yakimov

This has been a very good spot on the Oilers list over the last decade, probably because I underestimate the college defensemen (then again, so do the Oilers). Matt Greene and Tom Gilbert have been productive NHL defensemen, and Kyle Brodziak joined the band from the center position around the same time. Colin McDonald took forever to develop, but made it and is now in the NHL. Since then, the picks who gathered enough steam to get all the way to No. 6 have either flagged, encountered injury problems or headed to Europe. There is faint hope for Curtis Hamilton and Tyler Bunz, but Martin Gernat and Bogdan Yakimov are the current best hopes among the prospects ranked here over the last five seasons.

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WHAT THEY SAID ON DRAFT DAY

 

  • Corey Pronman: Chase entered the season with a decent amount of hype and he figured to make a push to be drafted in the top two rounds. While he was somewhat underwhelming, his skills make him worth knowing, the best of which is his hockey sense. Scouts praise his offensive mind and vision. He can slow the game down when he has the puck, hit targets through small lanes, and move the puck quickly when need be. He also has good hands, and when he is on, his offensive upside is apparent. His skating earns divided opinions, with one scout calling it a positive, and another saying his first steps can be a tad sluggish. His physical game and consistency are areas of concern as well. He has average size, but he does not tend to be imposing with his board work. Finally, his game-to-game on-ice work ethic could use improvement, especially in the defensive end.
  • Red Line Report: “A real Red Line favourite who flies under the radar. He’s a fine puck distributor who shows great patience and possesses the touch to constantly find linemates off the cycle. Keeps feet going after making a pass to sustain pressure in offensive zone. Versatile forward has spent time on every line and been effective in every role. Shows up every shift and his play away from the puck is impressive, makes things happen by constantly filling open ice. Refuses to back down in contested areas; first player into the corners. Wide skating stance helps him maintain balance and uses edges well to maximize glide. Hungry player has a great compete level and looks to make a difference every shift. Not as dynamic offensively as other prospects on this list, but plays a well-rounded, consistent game.”
  • Chase: “I didn’t even watch (the draft) because I was so nervous. I was at my lake and we were all sitting around. When I got the phone call, it was pretty incredible celebrating that proud moment with my whole family.”

POINTS BY DISCIPLINE, GREG CHASE

PLAYER EV PP PK TOTAL
GREG CHASE 2012-13 69, 13-23-36 .522 69, 3-9-12 .174 69, 1-0-1 69, 17-32-49
GREG CHASE 2013-14 70, 25-31-56 .800 70, 10-19-29 .414 70, 0-0-0 70, 35-50-85
GREG CHASE 2014-15 15, 2-10-12 .800 15, 0-3-3 .200 15, 0-0-0 15, 2-13-15

If I’m going to make a case for Greg Chase on the power play, I don’t really have to get out of my easy chair. You can see not using him in 2012-13, the club had better options. Last season? I suspect he was getting squeezed quite a bit (that’s a crazy good EV number) and this year he’s looking top drawer again at even strength. Doesn’t matter now, but if he does get dealt (early word is the Hitmen are in no hurry) we can have a look at his scoring numbers in the new town.

PREVIOUS TOP 20 RANKING

  • Summer 2013: 19
  • Winter 2013: 10
  • Summer 2014: 5
  • Winter 2014: 6

This is a grand spike for a late-round selection and credit to the Oilers scouting staff for getting it right. Chase may not be pleasing to the Calgary Hitmen, but lordy the young man has played well in the last 18 months.

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WHAT THEY’RE SAYING NOW

  • Todd Nelson: “He played five games and scored a big goal for us in our quest to get into the playoffs. And just watching him in camp here, he’s in better shape. I think the experience he had with us really helped him out. He dropped 10 pounds and is a lot faster. That was always his Achilles heel, the speed of the game caught up to him, but he looks great.”Source
  • Lowetide Blog on RE Series:  Greg Chase 11-15-26. From the depths of the draft to the top of the heap in one fell swoop. Look, I can’t explain it—this kid was a worthy second round pick by my metrics. I’m no draft expert, but it seems to me that when an NHL team sees a guy scoring points in his draft year—without a PP push—that’s maybe a guy to earmark at the draft.
  • Neal Livingston, Tend the Farm:To use a basketball analogy, if there was a screen he’d drive right through the pick”
  • Gerry Johannson, said, via text, on WHL trade interest in Chase: “A fair number of teams are interested. Hopefully something happens soon.” Source
  • Craig MacTavish: “In our experience Greg has done a good job of working on the physical habits we’ve identified as important for his development. It looks like a situation in Calgary where a trade would be mutually beneficial. Tough to assign appropriate responsibility. We support Greg and hope this is resolved quickly for both interests.” Source
  • Steve Ewen, Vancouver Province: You’d think Chase, a signed Edmonton Oilers prospect, would be worth something similar in trade. He’s being portrayed as a locker room distraction in this. Is that scaring off Vancouver, considering their young talent? Source

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THE FUTURE

The future is bright for Greg Chase, based on his hockey ability. He has a chance to play for Canada at the World Juniors this Christmas and if anything the young man is having an even better year in 2014-15 (at evens) than a year ago. I’m not going to comment either way on the dispute, beyond it being a shame that it happened and one hopes things get solved in short order.

Chase needs to play and that will come eventually. Next season, he’ll be an Oklahoma City Baron (probably a winger) and it’ll be interesting to see if he gets more power play time in pro hockey. The numbers suggest he merits it in junior. The Oilers chances of winning the Stanley Cup are currently 100/1 according to sports betting site MyTopSportsbooks.com.  They won’t make the playoffs this season and if they’re ever going to turn north and improve those odds the club will need value contracts. Chase is such a player in my opinion, and he may fill a role on the Oilers in the next two or three seasons. The junior evidence—skilled, tough, fast, aggressive—is substantial.

2013 NHL DRAFT

  • Darnell Nurse, No. 7 overall. Good arrows, already played 2 NHL games. A bright future ahead. No. 2 overall prospect.
  • Marco Roy, No. 59 overall. Injuries have impacted him since draft day. Inside the Top 20.
  • Bogdan Yakimov, No. 83 overall. Mammoth Russian progressing smartly. No. 4 overall prospect.
  • Anton Slepyshev, No. 88 overall. Slick Russian winger running in place in the KHL. Candidate for winter 20.
  • Jackson Houck, No. 94 overall. Enjoying a good season. Candidate for winter 20.
  • Kyle Platzer, No. 96 overall. Emerging as a quality NHL prospect this year. Inside the Top 20.
  • Aidan Muir, No. 113 overall. Now in college, scoring a little. Candidate for winter 20.
  • Evan Campbell, No. 128 overall. Scoring well in college this year. Candidate for winter 20.
  • Ben Betker, No. 158 overall. Huge defender continues to progress. Candidate for winter 20.
  • Greg Chase, No. 188 overall. Signed a contract, strong camp, weird WHL season so far. No. 6 overall prospect.

The 2013 draft is tracking very well after Year 1. Two players have made it to the NHL for a cup of coffee and men like Greg Chase and Kyle Platzer have jumped their draft number in the 17 months since draft day.

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45 Responses to "NO. 6 PROSPECT (winter 2014): GREG CHASE"

  1. Marcus Oilerius says:

    … Well… Hmm…

    sigh

    Never mind.

    See y’all when I care again.

  2. Lowetide says:

    We’ll be here, Marcus.

  3. Lowetide says:

    Corey Pronman talking about the Subway OHL-Russia game tonight

    In first most impressive were some 2015 eligibles in Vande Sompel and Dergachev. Domi-ARZ, Nurse-EDM and McKeown-LAK

  4. Ryan says:

    Marcus Oilerius:
    … Well… Hmm…

    sigh

    Never mind.

    See y’all when I care again.

    We had meaningful games until mid November. I think that counts as 2 weeks of progress 🙂 no?

  5. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Watching the super series game, too. Go Canada, go Nurse!
    Thanks for your tireless efforts the past week, LT. Gords know it can’t be easy to keep writing balanced thoughts when the fanbase is fed up.

    I’m disappointed but not at all surprised by the way the season has gone. I’ve just been hoping for improvement and to me this team is much more watchable than last year’s. I’m not abandoning ship by any means. We agree on pretty much everything at this point so I have less to say for now. Nikitin, Leon and the missing C, Schultz, Ference.

    I was hoping for a more dynamic Pp this year, though, and a bit more urgency would be nice. The last half of the third they played hard, but only after 2-0. They look to me to be trying too hard to be clinical and not creative enough on the attack.

    I’ve also noticed…maybe others can watch for it, too. Opposing teams are setting up to trap the Oilers at the blue line and reverse quickly. A lot of 3-on-2s against initially. And then a Yak or Nuge comes roaring back. But it looks to me like teams are tactically playing the Oilers this way.

  6. speeds says:

    Chase didn’t exactly have a hot start LT, couple that with him not playing at the moment, and wouldn’t you be fairly surprised if he was picked for team Canada?

  7. "Frank The Dog" says:

    LT:
    They won’t make the playoffs this season and if they’re ever going to turn north and improve those odds the club will need value contracts.

    FTD: Correct, but what value are value contracts if we haven’t straightened out our coaching? I don’t mean fire everybody. I can’t fault Ramsay nor even Thompson in the role I understand he has.

    I do fault Chabot because despite his apparent scouting acumen he appears from this distance to have made all the goalies he worked with, worse and worse until they finally leave here a quivering mush of self doubt (well not quite but DD got close to that)

    I do fault Eakins to a point because he doesn’t seem to adjust to the other coaches and his offensive schemes aren’t worth a dam. It’s like a 500hp Ford Crown Vic that can’t make it around the track, as the Lotus 7’s come flying past. Well maybe not that extreme but you get the point. What point are Corgi’s if your system produces a low shooting %?

    What point is there to your G or your D if they are guaranteed to give up 2-3 stupid goals a game?
    So Eakins needs to get the right Assistants in place to fix his goalie problem and to make this offense click with scoring and function with the D as one unit on the ice. Right now they mostly seem to work together quite well but they cant score worth a dam.

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: I’ve also noticed…maybe others can watch for it, too. Opposing teams are setting up to trap the Oilers at the blue line and reverse quickly. A lot of 3-on-2s against initially. And then a Yak or Nuge comes roaring back. But it looks to me like teams are tactically playing the Oilers this way.

    The answer is coaching. What is Eakins doing to adapt to these strategies? If he can’t see that from the bench Rocky certainly should be able to see that from the sky.

    I don’t see Chabot fixing what he broke. If he’s a good scout then send him arounf the continent and around the world to look for good goalies. Then hand them to a competent goalie coach who can cause the goalies he gets to play better as they work under that coach’s tutelage.

    I have no idea what value Acton brings to Eakins. But Dallas does need to fix his offense. I don’t care how, they need that jump, that chip on their shoulder, that 60 second effort, that adaptation to the other coach’s game of chess.

    Does Dallas have those attributes? Does Dallas have the ability to get an Assistant tha tis an offensive specialist? I don’t think Dallas has those attributes, but I am prepared to wait and see whether he can still pull that off as we lower our expectations game by game.

    I don’t think so.

  8. bsmart says:

    speeds:
    Chase didn’t exactly have a hot start LT, couple that with him not playing at the moment, and wouldn’t you be fairly surprised if he was picked for team Canada?

    If he finally gets a trade and gets earned 1st pp minutes and top line mins. Instead of 3rd line mins and barely any pp. if that’s the case I see him making it

  9. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    Chase didn’t exactly have a hot start LT, couple that with him not playing at the moment, and wouldn’t you be fairly surprised if he was picked for team Canada?

    He was scoring pretty well in Calgary (although not getting PP time) but the layoff may hurt him. I think he was probably a long shot anyway (his role would be a Curtis Hamilton type is my guess) but wouldn’t be surprised if he made it. Or didn’t. He was in the mix, which imo is a terrific arrow for a player taken so late in the draft.

  10. Ryan says:

    I am not sure why, but oddly this article from Gregor made me feel somewhat better…

    http://oilersnation.com/2014/11/17/the-oilers-do-they-have-a-losing-culture

  11. VanOil says:

    American Thanksgiving weekend coming up, the time smart GM’s go shopping. To help MacT out I have provided a list;

    1) Ryan O’Reilly sure he will cost you Schultz and maybe more but Please Please Please do this

    2) I don’t want to confuse you just buy RO’R and we are cool. I will get you a nice Xmas gift I promise.

  12. Kmart99 says:

    Oilers are 6-6-1 in their last 13gp. I’d expect that pace to continue for the remainder of the season
    Not happy about it, but it’s still a turn north.

  13. Ryan says:

    VanOil:
    American Thanksgiving weekend coming up, the time smart GM’s go shopping. To help MacT out I have provided a list;

    1) Ryan O’Reilly sure he will cost you Schultz and maybe more but Please Please Please do this

    2) I don’t want to confuse you just buy RO’R and we are cool. I will get you a nice Xmas gift I promise.

    Nah, we’re at the quarter pole and outta the race time to sell Perron, Petry,etc..

    Time to shift conversation to McDavid vs Eichel.

  14. Kmart99 says:

    God…. What McDavid would mean to this team.

  15. stephen sheps says:

    I’ll go back and read the article and comments after, but I wanted to give a quick overview from the Subway Series game tonight. Going to give a reverse order top 5 (and one honourable mention).

    Hon) Lawson Crouse. I love this kid. Every game we watched him play last season when I still lived in Kingston he was easily the best player on the Fronts. He’s only gotten bigger and better this season and now he kills penalties. I would love to see the Oilers draft him. A line of Leon-Crouse-Yak would be deadly. Crouse’s puck control and retrieval skills are excellent. I can’t wait to see this kid make it. He will be fantastic.

    5) Nick Ritchie: This player is a beast. He was all over the ice, physical, imposed his will on everyone. Great vision. Anaheim got a steal at #10. A bit undisciplined but he is a very talented offensive prospect.

    4) Alexander Dergachev: wow. Just, wow. He was the best Russian player on the ice by a country mile. It was not even close. He controlled the play, dangled, distributed the puck, was physical. Every time he was on the ice we noticed him. There was a reason he was named the Russian player of the game. I am not one to make guesses about draft order, but he is a prospect to watch. Late Sept. 96 birthday so he is only going to get better.

    3) Max Domi. Creative player, puck on a string. His PPG that opened the game was pure puck pursuit but his EVG goal to put Canada up 2-0 was incredible.

    2) Darnell Nurse. He’s as good as it gets at his level. The game slows down when he is on the ice. Insane hockey IQ, patience in all 3 zones, knows exactly where to be on the ice at all times. One sequence really summed up his game in the 2nd. He went into the corner, battled two forechecking Russian forwards, makes a smart, quick pass to his partner who then passed it quickly back. Darnell then makes a perfect outlet pass to the winger to create a 3 on 2. Another great sequence, Russians already down 5-0 and cheating for offence – Nurse notices a cherry-picking Russian forward, (pretty sure it was Dergachev) in behind him and in 3 strides finds the right angle and stick-checks the streaking forward, preventing a clear breakaway. Music!

    1) Josh Ho-Sang. This kid is a player full stop. Every time he was on the ice something happened. He drew penalties, constantly created, scored the nicest penalty shot goal I’ve seen since Sam-wise was his age and set up two others. The fact that his “character issues” (by which I mean the latent racism that exists in hockey) allowed him to fall to #28 still blows my mind. The Islanders are going to be the class of the east by the time they move to Brooklyn and it’s not even close. Between Ho-Sang and Dal Colle (who was also great tonight), they won the last draft. They have a very bright future and Ho-Sang will be a huge part of it, provided he’s given the chance he deserves. This kid is not a Schremp or an Omark – he is a legitimately gifted prospect and it was a treat to see him play.

  16. Kmart99 says:

    http://corsihockeyleague.com/2014/11/17/possession-making-the-playoffs/

    Great article here about how corsi relates to making the playoffs. Not sure I’m reading it right but…

    In the last 7 seasons, 78.6% of teams that finished the year with an overall corsi between 51-52% made the playoffs. Oilers are at 50.6%CF 5v5, and 51.6%CF all situations.

    There’s simply no denying that this team has turned north for the first 18 games this season. It’s easy to see the Oilers being part of the 21.4% that misses the playoffs because of poor sv% and sh%, but it doesn’t change the fact that they’ve outperformed their record.to date.

    22/28 teams have made the playoffs in the last 7 years finishing with a possession stat this good.

  17. Lowetide says:

    Stephen: Thanks! that’s an outstanding update.

    Kmart: Excellent find, and agreed.

  18. stephen sheps says:

    Lowetide,

    Thanks LT. I don’t post often (here or my own place), but when I do I try to not suck… It’s nice to have a place to talk prospects.

    I’m dead serious about Crouse. I think I posted about him a couple times last winter, too. He’s big and smart and strong on the puck. Of all the prospects outside the top 5, he’s the guy I’ll be watching the most even though I don’t live in Kingston anymore.

    Come Winter semester I’ll be living in Peterborough part time (I teach at Trent, don’t want to drive back to Toronto every day). I’ll do my best to make it to a Pete’s game every couple weeks. If there are any OHL teams or prospects anyone wants me to have a look at, you know how to find me.

  19. Kmart99 says:

    Boy, what a quality 2C and some hot goaltending could do for this team. Ben played well against ARZ last night, but somehow nobody can beat DD this season, thus helping him get his average back to normal levels. I thought the dice had no memory damnit!

  20. Kmart99 says:

    Lowetide:
    Stephen: Thanks! that’s an outstanding update.

    Kmart: Excellent find, and agreed.

    Thanks! I swear, no matter how many losses I witness, if the corgi’s can keep barking over 51% overall I won’t whine. No matter the PDO.

  21. McSorley33 says:

    Kmart99:
    http://corsihockeyleague.com/2014/11/17/possession-making-the-playoffs/

    Great article here about how corsi relates to making the playoffs.Not sure I’m reading it right but…

    In the last 7 seasons, 78.6% of teams that finished the year with an overall corsi between 51-52% made the playoffs. Oilers are at 50.6%CF 5v5, and 51.6%CF all situations.

    There’s simply no denying that this team has turned north for the first 18 games this season.It’s easy to see the Oilers being part of the 21.4% that misses the playoffs because of poor sv% and sh%, but it doesn’t change the fact that they’ve outperformed their record.to date.

    22/28 teams have made the playoffs in the last 7 years finishing with a possession stat this good.

    Ther is also no denying …..we have not played:
    San Jose
    Anaheim
    Chicago
    St.Louis

  22. Kmart99 says:

    McSorley33: Ther is also no denying …..we have not played:
    San Jose
    Anaheim
    Chicago
    St.Louis

    You’re right, and there’s every chance that those teams will slam the oilers CF% right back to the 45% we are all used to.

    However, it’s just about blind optimism here. The oilers are in a brutal division, a brutal conference, and got brutal goaltending and sh% for the easiest part of their schedule this season.
    Nonetheless..
    Oilers have played VAN , LAK , TBL, NYR, MTL, NSH, BOS

    Overall CF% Against top teams. (not CLOSE, not score adjusted, not 5v5, just overall, same as the article I cited.) (some definite score effects in there I know, but just let me make my point damnit)
    EDM NSH 39.13
    EDM NYR 56.60
    EDM BOS 48.08
    EDM VAN 48.98
    EDM NSH 55.56
    EDM MTL 41.35
    EDM T.B 53.26
    EDM VAN 50.88
    EDM L.A 54.08
    EDM VAN 39.52
    Avg 48.8%. Against playoff teams.
    Those are all good teams. Truthfully, I’m used to this team not getting any help from score effects more often than not, so if they can use a 3-0 deficit to pad the CF% that’s an up arrow, albeit a shitty one.

    Oilers CF% for the past 7 years(ALL situations):

    08-09 47.2%
    09-10 44.9%
    10-11 46.2%
    11-12 46.3%
    12-13 44.3%
    13-14 44.7%

    14-15 This Season so far 51.6%

    I’ll say this, I believe there’s a greater than 50% chance the corgi’s drop below 48% this year, but if they don’t… regardless of the loss count, the team has improved drastically.

  23. TireFire says:

    stephen sheps:

    1) Josh Ho-Sang. This kid is a player full stop. Every time he was on the ice something happened. He drew penalties, constantly created, scored the nicest penalty shot goal I’ve seen since Sam-wise was his age and set up two others. The fact that his “character issues” (by which I mean the latent racism that exists in hockey) allowed him to fall to #28 still blows my mind. The Islanders are going to be the class of the east by the time they move to Brooklyn and it’s not even close. Between Ho-Sang and Dal Colle (who was also great tonight), they won the last draft. They have a very bright future and Ho-Sang will be a huge part of it, provided he’s given the chance he deserves. This kid is not a Schremp or an Omark – he is a legitimately gifted prospect and it was a treat to see him play.

    Interesting. I saw him in a game a few weeks ago and he was really invisible. Was excited to check him out and made a point of watching him for a bunch of shifts and he was really invisible. If the consistency is an issue, that could have lead to his drop.

  24. Adam Wu says:

    Kmart99:
    Boy, what a quality 2C and some hot goaltending could do for this team.Ben played well against ARZ last night, but somehow nobody can beat DD this season, thus helping him get his average back to normal levels.I thought the dice had no memory damnit!

    The dice always has memory in hindsight.

    Though the memory in question is actually not in the dice per se….

  25. Adam Wu says:

    Kmart99: You’re right, and there’s every chance that those teams will slam the oilers CF% right back to the 45% we are all used to.

    However, it’s just about blind optimism here.The oilers are in a brutal division, a brutal conference, and got brutal goaltending and sh% for the easiest part of their schedule this season.
    Nonetheless..
    Oilers have played VAN , LAK , TBL, NYR, MTL, NSH, BOS

    Overall CF% Against top teams. (not CLOSE, not score adjusted, not 5v5, just overall, same as the article I cited.)(some definite score effects in there I know, but just let me make my point damnit)
    EDM NSH 39.13
    EDM NYR 56.60
    EDM BOS 48.08
    EDM VAN 48.98
    EDM NSH 55.56
    EDM MTL 41.35
    EDM T.B 53.26
    EDM VAN 50.88
    EDM L.A54.08
    EDM VAN 39.52
    Avg 48.8%.Against playoff teams.
    Those are all good teams.Truthfully, I’m used to this team not getting any help from score effects more often than not, so if they can use a 3-0 deficit to pad the CF% that’s an up arrow, albeit a shitty one.

    Oilers CF% for the past 7 years(ALL situations):

    08-09 47.2%
    09-10 44.9%
    10-11 46.2%
    11-12 46.3%
    12-13 44.3%
    13-14 44.7%

    14-15 This Season so far 51.6%

    I’ll say this, I believe there’s a greater than 50% chance the corgi’s drop below 48% this year, but if they don’t… regardless of the loss count, the team has improved drastically.

    I remain convinced that the team is currently sitting in that phase where improvement begins, but the results lag.

    I am not convinced that the team is guaranteed to get out of this phase. Climbing to that next step is never guaranteed.

    But when you are in a position where all indicators are that you are headed in the right direction, if not as quickly as you want, you have to stay the course. If you are most likely facing the right direction then any change of course is more likely to send you backwards than forwards.

    In a way it is harder to watch the team now. Before when they were atrocious, one could sort of resign oneself to the inevitability of loss. But now there is hope. Hope with every decent shift. To be in that phase where hopes are raised but repeatedly dashed does drain the soul.

    Almost there, but not quite. So close, and yet so far….

  26. Nostradumbass says:

    What’s everyone’s favourate batch of prospects?

    Group A – The “BCJHL Scout banged the table harder than everybody” Group
    Liam Coughlin
    Evan Campbell
    Juihar Kharia
    Kellen Jones
    Kyle Bigios
    Connor Jones
    Joey Laleggia

    Group B – The ” Saw em good in our backyard” group
    Travis Ewanyk
    Mitch Moroz
    Laurent Broissoit

    or Group C – The “Related to Oiler Administration” group
    Will Acton
    David Musil
    Dillon Simpson
    Mitch Holberg

  27. TireFire says:

    Nostradumbass,

    Pretty funny.

    But: who is Holmberg related to? I hadn’t heard that one.

  28. Kmart99 says:

    Adam Wu: I remain convinced that the team is currently sitting in that phase where improvement begins, but the results lag.

    I am not convinced that the team is guaranteed to get out of this phase. Climbing to that next step is never guaranteed.

    But when you are in a position where all indicators are that you are headed in the right direction, if not as quickly as you want, you have to stay the course. If you are most likely facing the right direction then any change of course is more likely to send you backwards than forwards.

    In a way it is harder to watch the team now. Before when they were atrocious, one could sort of resign oneself to the inevitability of loss. But now there is hope. Hope with every decent shift. To be in that phase where hopes are raised but repeatedly dashed does drain the soul.

    Almost there, but not quite. So close, and yet so far….

    Let’s wait and see what the corgi’s say after some games against SJS, ANA, STL, CHI….. If they’re still barking over 50%, then regardless of results, the improvement has begun.

  29. Kmart99 says:

    Devan Dubnyk ….. … .. . .925 4-0-1

    *le sigh*

  30. Kmart99 says:

    Chabot – has to go
    Chabot – has to go

    Altogether now!

    Freddy Chabot to EDM Goalie:” So you want out of here eh? Trust me, this will work. Let the other team score more than we score. 60% of the time, it works every time. You’ll be on your way in no time.”

  31. Nostradumbass says:

    TireFire,

    Stu MacGregor I think

  32. Lowetide says:

    Was Chabot involved in the scouting of the amateur goalies?

  33. Hammers says:

    Not sure but my guess is we will settle close to last year as related to the corgi’s and probably by the mid season mark .Basically still spinning our wheels . In todays earlier post I indicated that if the Canadian $ stays down and we have a $ 1.5 mill cap increase for next year that McT maybe better off making his trades now rather than waiting until the trade deadline or offseason . Between the key RFA’s Yak , Schultz & Marincin and 2 UFA’s Petry and Fasth they need the $ 20 mill they will have to either resign them or the same money to replace them . Why wait when there maybe teams looking for that “D” or forward for this years run . Go after your upgrade on “D” and the “C” we need . I guess that procrastination just runs through this organization .

  34. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Was Chabot involved in the scouting of the amateur goalies?

    Yes.

    https://twitter.com/RomulusNotNuma/status/482950260973895680

  35. dangilitis says:

    I’m sorry I was late but I do want to challenge you LT on one thing – do you really think the oilers roster is that much worse than the flames? Because I really don’t see how one can say that Eakins is getting the most out of these guys while the flames have a better pp and scoring way more with the forwards in their roster. PDO aside, I just can’t believe this coaching is even nhl calibre. I don’t know what the problem is but that’s why people get paid big money and have entire careers devoted to fixing the problems that aren’t me. How can Eakins be considered as our best option?

  36. Inch says:

    LT. Pasting some Chase observations a few weeks ago from two friends that have watched him significantly this year. May partially explain his demise in Calgary –

    Interesting – we don’t think the numbers tell the story. His play has been lacklustre at best and invisible often. He hasn’t delivered when the team has needed a goal. The only puck he put in the net was well after the whistle when he slid it behind an unsuspecting goal tender. Childish antics like this go unnoticed by the stats guys and maybe rightly so.

    Although he might be leading a very average team in points, he has scored in only one game ( a 9-2 win).

    Last night he took several senseless penalties, the last one after the Hitmen had scored to get into striking distance of Prince George. As a result, they sat him for the last 8 minutes of the game. It didn’t hurt them as they scored again but lost 3-2.

    Chase’s effort was absolutely unacceptable. I watched 14 of the 15 games that Chase played in this season and I saw extremely undisciplined play mixed in with horrendous efforts night in and night out. His numbers might still look good (15 points in 15 games) and as a Hitmen fan that’s fantastic news because his value will still be held with high regard around the WHL. However, he only has 2 goals (one of which was the 9th goal in a 9-2 win so not that memorable) and many of his assists came in similar fashion when games were out of reach. There is no doubt he is a very valuable asset; gifted offensively, outstanding vision, good skater, and an annoyance to play against. But when his agitating ways start turning his game into a mess and not the opposing teams, it becomes an issue and that’s what we saw. Even if he really disliked playing under Mark French, that shouldn’t have dismantled his efforts for the team. A change of scenery is needed for both parties involved but Greg Chase can thank himself for the position he is in right now.

  37. Lowetide says:

    dangilitis:
    I’m sorry I was late but I do want to challenge you LT on one thing – do you really think the oilers roster is that much worse than the flames? Because I really don’t see how one can say that Eakins is getting the most out of these guys while the flames have a better pp and scoring way more with the forwards in their roster. PDO aside, I just can’t believe this coaching is even nhl calibre. I don’t know what the problem is but that’s why people get paid big money and have entire careers devoted to fixing the problems that aren’t me. How can Eakins be considered as our best option?

    Eakins doesn’t have a top pairing like Calgary’s and we know their team is built on a proverbial house of cards (or at least a lot of luck, so far).

    I know this isn’t fun for anyone, but there are good good arrows. This could all fall apart and that’s something we’ll know by the end of December I’d bet.

    I see some good indictors, and many of them in areas the Oilers struggled badly in before the year. The C experiment and the goalie wonk is clouding some good weather.

  38. speeds says:

    Tippett with some comments on Rieder, along with a non-comparison comparison to one of his former DAL players:

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nhl/coyotes/2014/11/16/dubnyks-play-rewarded-nd-start-row/19153235/

  39. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    Tippett with some comments on Rieder, along with a non-comparison comparison to one of his former DAL players:

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nhl/coyotes/2014/11/16/dubnyks-play-rewarded-nd-start-row/19153235/

    Rieder looked good out of the box
    http://lowetide.ca/2011/07/07/a-closer-look-at-tobias-rieder-2/

  40. sliderule says:

    Lowetide,

    I remember reading Chabot was the one pushing for the two goalie picks we made in 2014.

    He worked with at least one of them so that’s were his “insight” came from.

    I also remember that he was involved with the Finn picks.

  41. Yeti says:

    I can’t help thinking Radek Dvorak when contemplating Reider. I don’t know if the comp remotely works, but when I think of Radek Dvorak the world seems a sunnier place, just before the misery of a long nuclear winter.

  42. Ca$h-Money! says:

    sliderule,

    I’m not sure if he was involved in the Naglevoort pick (which was a reasonable bet based on numbers) but he certainly was the driving reason behind the ultra-sub-standard later round pick that showed absolutely no reason for believable upside (Bouchard).

    I’m pretty sure that worked out though, his GAA is now below 5.00 after playing 13 games…. so that’s exciting.

  43. russ99 says:

    Chase’s status is worrisome, not so much for now, but the Oilers recent history has tons of cautionary tales about how free spirits and players that don’t do everything management says have their chances at the NHL level limited and then are shown the door.

    Hate to say it but it seems to me that we’re seeing that with Marincin now.

    Maybe that Chase is a good western Canadian kid and not a European buys him slightly more good graces.

  44. geowal says:

    I’m left to wonder if the new entry level contract hasn’t gone to young Chase’s head? If so more humbling might be in order, which will probably come world junior time

  45. wintoon says:

    For several years the MSM has gone on at length about the offensive talent on the Oilers. Largely, the fan base has accepted it as fact that the Oilers are offensively gifted. Yet for at least the last three seasons there has been no statistical or visual data to support this position.

    Right now, the Oilers are challenged offensively. They have no #2 C contribution, their top offensive D man is a mirage, Yakupov is not converting his chances and 2 of the # Ps (Purcell and Perron) are not generating decent numbers. Granted Hall, Nuge and Eberle are doing quite well but that simply isn’t enough.

    So right now we have a team that is weak in goal (both tenders with a sub .900 save %), the defense is at best marginal with no clear over achiever or leader and lousy offensive results. Even the PP is failing to give a positive twist to this story.

    On top of all this, people are looking at the statistics and saying the Oilers are improved. These types of stats are for losers. The only stats that count in the NHL are wins and OTLs.

    To suggest that MacT has some work to do is a colossal understatement.

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