TRADER MAC

So far in his NHL career, Craig MacTavish has been fairly successful in the trade market. No GM of any tenure has a perfect record, but the Oilers GM has been able to deliver some good hockey deals for his team.

  • July 2013: Traded Magnus Paajarvi and a 2nd round pick to St. Louis for David Perron. It was in fact a dear price, we knew it at the time. Having said that, I can’t imagine Oilers fans view it as a negative trade at this time. David Perron is a gritty winger with significant offense, and an actual NHL player. Paajarvi is still trying to find his way, and the pick—which, with the Oilers damnable luck, turned into Ivan Barbashev—wouldn’t be helping this Oilers team more right now than Perron.
  • November 2013: Traded Laddy Smid and Olivier Roy to Calgary for Roman Horak and Laurent Brossoit. I didn’t like the deal at the time, but it was a win if only for the relief in cap number provided by sending Smid away.
  • January 2014: Traded Devan Dubnyk to Nashville for Matt Hendricks. Many will disagree, but there was no chance DD would be back in Edmonton for 2014-15, and Hendricks has been a solid addition.
  • January 2014: Traded a 3rd round pick to Los Angeles for Ben Scrivens. Edmonton’s starting goalie is struggling now, but played well down the stretch a year ago and should recover his form this year. The draft pick, Dominic Turgeon, continues to develop in the WHL.
  • January 2014: Traded Ryan Martindale and Derek Nesbitt to Florida for Steve Pinizzotto and Jack Combs. A smaller deal, but it was a decent bet and Pinizzotto has provided the team with depth in the bottom 6F. He actually won an NHL job during training camp, but had to wait for it awhile.
  • January 2014: Traded Cam Abney and Teemu Hartikainen to Toronto for Mark Fraser. MacT traded two players not in the future plans for a Mark Fraser audition. I think there’s still a chance Hartikainen plays in the NHL, and it could bite the Oilers in the ass if that happens.
  • January 2014: Traded Ilya Bryzalov to the Minnesota Wild for a fourth-round pick. The club signed Bryzgalov as a free agent and then cashed him later in the year for an asset. The pick, William Lagesson, appears to be a prospect.
  • March 2014: Traded a 2014 fifth-round pick and a 2015 third-round pick to Anaheim for Viktor Fasth. Edmonton grabbed a legit (if injury prone) NHL goaltender for a couple of distant bells. The selection, Matthew Berkovitz, is developing in the USHL. The Oilers should be able to cash Fasth for similar value this deadline.
  • March 2014: Traded Nick Schultz to the Columbus Blue Jackets for a 2014 fifth-round pick. Edmonton cashed that pick for Nikita Nikitin, so this was good money after bad, not a lot to defend here.
  • March 2014: Traded Ales Hemsky to Ottawa for a fifth-round pick in 2014 and a 2015 third-round pick. The first selection, Liam Coughlin, is not a promising selection, but the third rounder in 2015 should be a solid prospect.
  • June 2014: Traded Sam Gagner to Tampa Bay for Teddy Purcell. A good trade on the day they made it, and Purcell is (so far) on par with Gagner. Like Dubnyk, I think the trade was a lot about getting 89 out of town and moving on.

I don’t know who they’re going to acquire, it could be Cody Eakin or Lars Eller or Brandon Sutter or Brayden Schenn or Patrik Berglund. I would argue Oilers fans can look at Craig MacTavish’s track record and feel good about their chances of breaking even on the deal. The problem may be timing: When you’re looking for a trade, a premium is normally required. I’m not thrilled it took this long to decide on adding a center, but am pleased the decision to improve the position is finally here.

Eberle? Yes. 2015 first-round pick? Yes. Marincin? Yes. Get it done. Now.

 

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162 Responses to "TRADER MAC"

  1. Ben says:

    2015 1st has to be off limits, no? Could be Eichel at worst.

  2. CurtisS says:

    All them moves, add in free agency also and our team is worse than when he took it over.

    How many more moves does he get to make?

  3. Bad Seed says:

    So, who would you be trading McDavid or Eichel for? What’s an acceptable return in your eyes for a possible top 3 pick in next year’s draft? Because I don’t trade that pick unless someone like OEL is coming back at least.

  4. Rondo says:

    No excuse for not having no. #2 and #3 centers.

    Mac T put this product on the ice.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Bad Seed:
    So, who would you be trading McDavid or Eichel for?What’s an acceptable return in your eyes for a possible top 3 pick in next year’s draft?Because I don’t trade that pick unless someone like OEL is coming back at least.

    You trade the No. 2 or No. 3 pick for a top center or defender who can come in and help right away. I’m talking about a real piss cutter.

  6. Ben says:

    Lowetide: You trade the No. 2 or No. 3 pick for a top center or defender who can come in and help right away. I’m talking about a real piss cutter.

    If we were 8 games ago, I might be on board with this.

    Do this at the draft, once order is established.

    Season’s lost.

  7. CurtisS says:

    Lowetide: You trade the No. 2 or No. 3 pick for a top center or defender who can come in and help right away. I’m talking about a real piss cutter.

    Like a Doughty or a Toews?

  8. Bag of Pucks says:

    LT, what will it take for you to stop giving MacT the benefit of the doubt?

    If he trades one of the 1stOVs for cents on the dollar, would that do it?

    He’s talked himself into Eakins, Scrivens, Nikitin, Schultz as 1D, Draisaitl as 2C, etc.

    What’s to stop him from talking himself into Yakupov for Coburn or next year’s 1st for Kadri?

    The bulk of his trades thus far have been spare parts for spare parts or futures. With the next round of deals, he has to be equal parts Kreskin and Sam Pollock. Do you honestly think he has it in him?

    His crystal ball seems exceedingly cloudy to my eyes.

  9. Lowetide says:

    CurtisS: Like a Doughty or a Toews?

    You’re not going to be able to make a trade like this with LAK or CHI.

  10. CurtisS says:

    Lowetide,

    Dam it! Just was curious the type of player you had in mind?

  11. Bad Seed says:

    Lowetide,

    Can you imagine the pressure on the guy MacT trades for if the pick turns out to be McDavid? Jimmy Carson all over again! You cannot trade that pick until the draft. Season’s in the toilet.

    Would you do Hall for OEL?

  12. Rondo says:

    Bad Seed,

    Not going to happen but if they did trade their pick they probably would take the other teams #1 pick plus a player.

  13. Lowetide says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    LT, what will it take for you to stop giving MacT the benefit of the doubt?

    If he trades one of the 1stOVs for cents on the dollar, would that do it?

    He’s talked himself into Eakins, Scrivens, Nikitin, Schultz as 1D, Draisaitl as 2C, etc.

    What’s to stop him from talking himself into Yakupov for Coburn or next year’s 1st for Kadri?

    The bulk of his trades thus far have been spare parts for spare parts or futures. With the next round of deals, he has to be equal parts Kreskin and Sam Pollock. Do you honestly think he has it in him?

    His crystal ball seems exceedingly cloudy to my eyes.

    Hyperbole aside, MacT’s ‘bigger trades’ have seen value return. You can poo poo David Perron if you wish, but he’s an actual NHL player and a contributor. And maybe people have forgotten Sam Gagner at center, but I haven’t and it was bad (and I really liked Gagner as a player).

    Nikitin? Absolutely. MacTavish is guilty as sin there and as I said there’s no argument to make about it.

    IF you’re trading the 2015 1st or Eberle, and not getting full value, then you’re not the GM come summer. This is an exciting week, and I’d rather have Sam Pollock but he’s dead.

  14. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: You trade the No. 2 or No. 3 pick for a top center or defender who can come in and help right away. I’m talking about a real piss cutter.

    That would have to be a really special player.

    There are 2 generational talents at the top end of the draft and the Oilers are currently about 50% to get one of them.

    I don’t put the 2015 pick in play.

    Look at the Score Adjusted Fenwick of the closest teams:

    BUF – Last, will finish last. Awful

    Oilers – 20th in SAF but can’t get a save, D is not good.

    CBJ – Been decimated by injuries. As the get healthy they are much better, not a bottom two team. 24th in SAF with many injuries.

    CAR – 4-5-1 in last 10, play ing much better since EC got back. 16th in SAF (btw, bet them everyday = win money in long run)

    PHI – One of two challengers for 29th. Awful D. 23rd in SAF and that’s being mostly healthy.

    COL – The other challenger for 29th. Terrible D (see a trend?) 29th in SAF. This is the biggest challenge to EDM as they play in the WC, but Varmolov makes their record better than the team. (19th in 5v5 SV%)

    ARZ, DAL, FLA will not finish this low (FLA has a shot at the playoffs, bet on them too)

    I don’t care how good the player you can get it. The Oilers 1st in 2015 is off limits imo.

    Before the season I would have traded it.

    Not now.

    No way.

  15. Walter Sobchak says:

    Sure Mac-T can make a few trades, but what has qualified him at assessing talent? Nikitin, Belov, Grebeshkov, Scrivens, Purcell?!?

    We all hoped Eakins would be able to choose his own assistance, which seemed to be chosen again by Mac-T, not a great track record thus far here.

    Now, Mac-T chooses another rookie from the Oil Kings, you know Eakins had very little to no input here.

    The only trade he did win and the player I think most likely to be traded , Perron was also the only Oiler to play with any type of edge and one of the few that had any compete left…..He should be off limits.

    MacTavish seems to be dealing with a lot of desperation right now, he could very well sink this boat.

  16. Bag of Pucks says:

    Btw, if ‘breaking even’ is the goal, how does that improve the club?

    If he’s going to start trading the youth now that this fanbase has suffered so much for, he has to extract substantial roster players in return from the competition, in the process selling them on the promise of pedigree.

    In other words, he needs more Perron for Paajarvi deals, and the only reason that deal happened is St Loo needed urgent cap relief.

    If that’s what we’re hoping for, PHI, COL or WSH are the best bets as dance partners.

  17. Gordies Elbow says:

    “If we’re not a better team immediately, off with my head. I’ve been here five years, and I’m tired of losing.” – Mike Milbury, June 24th in 2000.

    That was the day he traded Olli Joikenen and Roberto Luongo for Kvasha and Parrish.

    They’ll lose the next trade, guaranteed.

    Don’t trade the pick.

  18. oliveoilers says:

    Talk about kicking us while were down. Eric ‘Offensive Vortex’ Belanger and Ryan ‘Twinkle Toes’ Whitney laying the boots in on the twitters.

  19. Lowetide says:

    CurtisS:
    Lowetide,

    Dam it! Just was curious the type of player you had in mind?

    Top drawer player, young enough to make a difference for a long time. For instance, I wouldn’t give up the pick for Shea Weber.

  20. VanOil says:

    The Oilers are full of players that are extremely competitive by nature. Making the Oilers team a more competitive environment should make them a more competitive/successful team. To achieve this, at least at Center, I suggest the following;

    Trade Schultz + Gernat + 2016 1st to Buffalo for Myers + Grigorenko
    Trade Perron to Montreal for Eller

    Next year at Center the Oilers would have;

    RNH competing for 1st line Center by the 2015 top 3 pick (who returns to Jr/College when he doesn’t win)

    Draisaitl competing with Grigorenko for the soft minutes scoring Center role (loser goes to the wing or the AHL)

    Eller competes with Arco and Yakimov for the responsible but capable 3C role (losers going to the wing, 13 forward or AHL as suited)

    Gordon competes/dominates Lander and Khaira for the 4C shutdown role. (he won’t last forever and replacements needs to be groomed in the AHL or on Gordon’s wing)

    Defense wouldn’t be as competitive but the Right side would be capable and hopefully Marincin/Klefbom/Schultz/Nitikin/Free Agent can make the Left side so competitive that Nurse finds his way to the AHL.

    It is not a miracle curer but roster competition should help culture, coaching and development. Or, it could just shit the bed like the current goal tending competition for who should be next years backup.

  21. OilClog says:

    Rondo:
    No excuse fornot having no. #2 and #3centers.

    Mac T put this product on the ice.

    It’s only one C short.

    Boyd Gordon isn’t a 4th C.

    The combination of the rest of the roster can cover one of the missing spots. Example, Arco.

    Oilers are missing a 1C/2C player to combo up with Nuge.

    Look at the free agent C’s that were available, look at their season production and what it would of took to land them in Edmonton.

    Could you imagine Jokinen on a Nikitin over pay. Or a player similar. To truly compete we need a player that’s on Getzlaf/Kesler level, or the good ship Oilers will never get there. Who out there that can do that? Now. Today. And two years from now. very very few.

    If MacT sells the farm for a player that hasn’t reached it yet like “Strome” and it doesn’t pay off.. Man, that would never be forgotten.

    MacT’s trade record is phenomenal compared to his FA record, if any talent leaves, equal talents coming back.

    Couts in Philly is the perfect match for Nuge imo. Id sell Eberle, Jultz for him and Macdonald, whatever it would take pretty much.

  22. Bag of Pucks says:

    Can’t get behind trading next year’s 2OV. Pick is too high, and seems unfair to the new GM starting that way.

  23. OilClog says:

    Lowetide: Top drawer player, young enough to make a difference for a long time. For instance, I wouldn’t give up the pick for Shea Weber.

    Would you give up the pick for O’Reilly or Couts? Who first

  24. Southern Oil says:

    Woodguy: That would have to be a really special player.

    There are 2 generational talents at the top end of the draft and the Oilers are currently about 50% to get one of them.

    I don’t put the 2015 pick in play.

    Look at the Score Adjusted Fenwick of the closest teams:

    BUF – Last, will finish last.Awful

    Oilers – 20th in SAF but can’t get a save, D is not good.

    CBJ – Been decimated by injuries. As the get healthy they are much better, not a bottom two team. 24th in SAF with many injuries.

    CAR – 4-5-1 in last 10, play ing much better since EC got back.16th in SAF (btw, bet them everyday = win money in long run)

    PHI – One of two challengers for 29th.Awful D.23rd in SAF and that’s being mostly healthy.

    COL – The other challenger for 29th.Terrible D (see a trend?) 29th in SAF.This is the biggest challenge to EDM as they play in the WC, but Varmolov makes their record better than the team. (19th in 5v5 SV%)

    ARZ, DAL, FLA will not finish this low (FLA has a shot at the playoffs, bet on them too)

    I don’t care how good the player you can get it.The Oilers 1st in 2015 is off limits imo.

    Before the season I would have traded it.

    Not now.

    No way.

    I agree with all of this. Let’s say for argument’s sake that we get one of the generational talents in the top 2. Clearly this would make us more top heavy. That would have to mean the end of Yak or Ebs, no? (For the record, I am on board with the untouchable list being our 1st in 2015, RNH & Hall.)

    Frankly if MacT could get good value tonight for Jultz, I’d cry happy tears in my cornflakes tomorrow.

  25. OilClog says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Can’t get behind trading next year’s 2OV. Pick is too high, and seems unfair to the new GM starting that way.

    MacT has 5years, Tambillini with no attachments had how long? Mac’s got another coach Atleast to go through before he meets any axes.

  26. Bag of Pucks says:

    OilClog: MacT has 5years, Tambillini with no attachments had how long? Mac’s got another coach Atleast to go through before he meets any axes.

    The Tier 1 fans are starting to revolt. Calgary’s rebuild lapping our’s is a major embarrassment to Edmonton’s gold seats elite.

    Clock is ticking big-time for MacT. And rightfully so.

    Bold moves! Remember? Why it seems like only yesterday…

    A prudent manager is careful not to overpromise. Unfortunately, MacT is learning on the job, as is his coach, as is the bulk of his roster, etc.

  27. Lowetide says:

    OilClog: Would you give up the pick for O’Reilly or Couts? Who first

    No.

  28. Southern Oil says:

    Lowetide: Top drawer player, young enough to make a difference for a long time. For instance, I wouldn’t give up the pick for Shea Weber.

    Would OEL fit the bill? LIke the other poster – just curious where your line in the sand is.

  29. Zangetsu says:

    Why bother now? It’s to late to make the playoffs. Coaching/management did a damn good job making sure we struggled out of the gate. Might as well bite the bullet now, 30th or 25? Whatever.

    That being said, I would have moved perron last deadline, or at the draft, when his value was top dollar.

  30. Rondo says:

    Pronman has McDavid , Eichel and Strome ahead of Last years #2 pick. When asked about those players.

  31. blainer says:

    Woodguy: That would have to be a really special player.

    There are 2 generational talents at the top end of the draft and the Oilers are currently about 50% to get one of them.

    I don’t put the 2015 pick in play.

    Look at the Score Adjusted Fenwick of the closest teams:

    BUF – Last, will finish last.Awful

    Oilers – 20th in SAF but can’t get a save, D is not good.

    CBJ – Been decimated by injuries. As the get healthy they are much better, not a bottom two team. 24th in SAF with many injuries.

    CAR – 4-5-1 in last 10, play ing much better since EC got back.16th in SAF (btw, bet them everyday = win money in long run)

    PHI – One of two challengers for 29th.Awful D.23rd in SAF and that’s being mostly healthy.

    COL – The other challenger for 29th.Terrible D (see a trend?) 29th in SAF.This is the biggest challenge to EDM as they play in the WC, but Varmolov makes their record better than the team. (19th in 5v5 SV%)

    ARZ, DAL, FLA will not finish this low (FLA has a shot at the playoffs, bet on them too)

    I don’t care how good the player you can get it.The Oilers 1st in 2015 is off limits imo.

    Before the season I would have traded it.

    Not now.

    No way.

    I disagree on Buffalo finishing last. They play in the east…we can beat them to 30th for sure. Do agree that there is no trade out there that I would do. Stay the course finish 30th. Playoffs were never gonna happen anyway. If there is a trade I would like Shultz packaged with Filatov… or sorry Yakupov though I don’t know if there is a crazy enough GM out there to make that trade. I will say MacT was just smart enough not to give Shultz that Clarkson contract.

  32. Kmart99 says:

    While the roster is a massive problem, the biggest, I’m convinced there is a change to Eakins’s system that could drastically change the fate of the Oil this year. I’m about to start sounding like a broken record, but I just don’t understand why this change hasn’t happened.

    History has proven that skating the puck in with possession increases your odds of scoring drastically. So, have the oilers looked at how often the opposition has been able to skate the puck in? How many 3on2s? 2on1s? 1on1s? Does this team give up each game? How often does the opposition have to dump it in vs the oilers?

    Eakins SAID IT IN PRESEASON. He said “We know the odd man rushes going the other way will be there, but our belief is that it will be worth it.” Seems pretty clear, it isn’t worth it.

    Stop your defensemen *cough*Jultz*cough*from pinching when there’s no need. Stop the insane amount of odd man rushes and you’ll reduce your shots against. Especially your shots off the rush.

    Force the opposition to dump it in. Stop letting them skate it in with little to no back pressure.

  33. blainer says:

    Bag of Pucks: The Tier 1 fans are starting to revolt. Calgary’s rebuild lapping our’s is a major embarrassment to Edmonton’s gold seats elite.

    Clock is ticking big-time for MacT. And rightfully so.

    Bold moves! Remember? Why it seems like only yesterday…

    A prudent manager is careful not to overpromise. Unfortunately, MacT is learning on the job, as is his coach, as is the bulk of his roster, etc.

    Calgary is this years Colorado. I would much rather the oil have McDavid than Calgary.

  34. Bag of Pucks says:

    blainer: Calgary is this years Colorado.I would much rather the oil have McDavid than Calgary.

    I would much rather have competent management and a competitive hockey club than McDavid.

  35. Lowetide says:

    Southern Oil: Would OEL fit the bill?LIke the other poster – just curious where your line in the sand is.

    No. I’m talking about a massive deal, where Edmonton and Dallas get together and Edmonton walks away with Tyler Seguin and another significant asset. A massive, game changing deal that alters Edmonton’s strength up the middle. Or Colorado, maybe they have the assets.

    I’m not saying he has to make that big of a deal, but open up the possibilities. Make this trade the massive roster correction required.

  36. TheOtherJohn says:

    LT you’ve convinced me: we won the Dubnyk/ Hendricks trade. Honest hard working W that’s overpaid 4th line but I like him.

    The rest of listed trades are average to mediocre. Perron good player but MPS & 33rd OV is tres expensive unless Oilers picking 3rd in 2nd round in which case we flub with the pick Barbedhev looks very good. Probably more so since we didn’t trade Perron after 27 goals last summer but coming off 2 g in 21 games, Oops

    The rest are not trades that look particularly good on anyone’s resume. Don’t think you’ll see them on MacT CV on his next job application. Smid was not a salary dump. Ference and Nikitan are worse making comparable or more $$. Most GM’s didn’t even know Smid was in market.

    Most people liked the cost we paid for 28yr old Scrivens & 32 yr old Fasth unless you factor in winning in which case both those career backups are really expensive. Think MacT would love to do a do over on goaltending? Maybe trade/sign proven NHL starter in Halak or Hilier

    As to trading 1OV in 2015 you’d have to be pretty stupid to do it unless you got a huge return — ie very
    Very good player like OEL out of Phx. 2 generational 1 C and a real stud 1D in Hanifan

    So even money has us trading Marincin, Perron, Petry and our 1st for something noticeably less worthy

    Because ..,,,Oilers

    LT what, other than Hall, would get you Sequin? Do not see Nill doing it for anything less.

  37. Магия 10 says:

    LT,

    Not sure Mac-T is ever going to do a monster 3-1 trade. But surely you could set the example. What could you get if you packaged up this trio of posts?

    FTO: Anyone else catching Eric Belanger on twitter? Basically 4-5 players (core guys) are the big problem that Edmonton needs to fix, have a sneaking suspicion he’s talking about all of out number ones. Pretty much advocates trading Hall.

    lance: Years ago my wife told me that the oilers will never win with Taylor hall

    cc: I mentioned this a couple years back (That Hall was a cancer in the dressing room) and because I wouldn’t reveal the source I took some heat from LT. No problem.

  38. sliderule says:

    The oilers first is probably top three or at worst/best top five.

    McDavid Eichel are producing like generational talents
    Strome a center who plays much like Eichel has 51 pts in 23 games.If he keeps it up that’s generational production.
    Manner is scoring at close to 2 pts per game and has scored a goal per game .He is built like Kane and plays a similar game.
    After that you have Hanifin who has been ranked top three.

    We will know better at draft but right now the top two are untouchable.
    Strome and Marner might end up as good as Spezza and Kane.

    The oiler wouldn’t be stupid enough to trade out of this draft.
    Would they?

  39. boxman says:

    Maybe it’s time…..Hall and Eberle for ? Gord willing there is even interest in Schultz…… As for the possible return I’d love to hear thoughts.

  40. Магия 10 says:

    sliderule: The oiler wouldn’t be stupid enough to trade out of this draft.

    They would be smart to WORK their way out of the first five picks.

  41. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Ben: If we were 8 games ago, I might be on board with this.

    Do this at the draft, once order is established.

    Season’s lost.

    It’s not too late to start regaining the respect of their opponents. I’ll guarantee that teams respect Calgary right now. Not one of the top 10 will take us to the Stanley Cup, not even Sidney Crosby and Evengi Malkin combined could do what the Oiler, Isles, Canadien and other dynasties did. Gretz did not get us those Stanleys single handed. Look at the people he had surrounding him.

    If this was indeed the catalyst for removing whatever rot is ailing this team, whichever players that might be, and if this team finally gels and starts playing like a bunch of angry men that have full tufts of anal hair (to mimic LT’s definition of manhood) with one or two less prima donna’s then so be it.

    I was down on Eakins myself. The evidence that pointed to coaching is still there. But no decent GM will blame a Coach that is not being given freedom to execute the roster he is given, nor given an adequate roster. The thing that has changed my mind is the common decency that is exuding from this man, and the manner in which Taylor Hall unequivocally, in my opinion, has stood behind this coach. I am sure Dallas will be grateful for this and I am sure this will result in a strong and positive working relationship as Taylor Hall moves into the Captaincy that he so richly deserves.

    There’s a lot about this team that none of us can change. But there is something that we can change, and that is our behaviour as fans. It’s quite apparent that this is a blog that is read by influential people, and for good reason, thanks to LT’s moderation. I think as fans we all need to remind ourselves that multi millionaire hockey players also live in our community, some with their families. They are people too, and we need to be gracious and constructive in times like these.

    I don’t know what will happen next, I have no idea what MacT has in his pocket, but I do believe that we need to give Eakins, MacT and these players, our complete present roster including Schultz, our full support in turning this ship around.

  42. speeds says:

    Lowetide: You trade the No. 2 or No. 3 pick for a top center or defender who can come in and help right away. I’m talking about a real piss cutter.

    If the pick ends up in the top 2, it is more valuable than all but maybe 10 players in the league, if that, when you factor in both the player and the contract.

  43. DBO says:

    We’d have to target a team that is either sucking hind tit like us, but are at or close to full rebuild mode that may move young vets.

    How about Carolina. Eric Staal has this plus one year. Sekera is a ufa next year but is a top pairing two ways D. And hell, Cam Ward has big price tag and this plus one year on deal. What would it take for Staal and Sekera and maybe we take Ward for cap relief?

    Does our beleaguered Norris candidate Schultz along with maybe a good prospect get you Staal and Sekera. does it take Schultz and Perron or is that way too much? but if you added those 2 pieces it would solve our two biggest issues outside of goaltending.

    Do they go crazy and deal Yak for those two? He does have sideburns. And he was not picked by MacT.

  44. Lowetide says:

    speeds: If the pick ends up in the top 2, it is more valuable than all but maybe 10 players in the league, if that, when you factor in both the player and the contract.

    there’s no guarantee of it.

  45. Ben says:

    “Frank The Dog”,

    Ok – but they can make moves with other assets now to get a 2-3C. Goal will settle. They’ll win a few games.

    But there’s absolutely no point in blowing an asset that will either be too valuable to move come draft day, or be used at that point to acquire a really good player who may not be available at the present time. When draft order and cap issues become clearer, then you can either pick McEichel, or do your Chris Pronger trade.

    As emotional as everyone is right now, and as prepared as we may be to lose a trade for the sake of change, moving that pick before the end of the season is just horrible asset management.

  46. Snowman says:

    I’m with Lowetide here. If I’m getting Sequin and another significant piece… Sequin-Nuge is a ridiculous 1-2 for the next decade. Throw in Drai and you’ve got 3 the best center depth in the league in 3 or 4 years bar none. That relieves a lot of problems. That’s a game changer. That’s a big time game changer. Generational talent or not. Then throw Nurse into the mix. Good gord man. Then you’ve got something. That would be a team. Imagine Nuge playing third line competition in his prime… Yikes.

    I want a generational team more than I want to watch McEichel score 130 points per year.

    If you’re getting a deal like that… I would seriously consider making that trade. You’d have to think about that. You would have to.

  47. Adam Wu says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Btw, if ‘breaking even’ is the goal, how does that improve the club?

    If you have an unbalanced roster, then breaking even on a trade improves the club by improving the balance, by giving up value in an area of strength for equal value in an area of weakness.

  48. Adam Wu says:

    For contemplating trading the first round 2015 pick, think along the lines of what Colorado/Quebec got for Lindros.

    Perhaps just a little less, because in that case there was certainty regarding the player, in and this case there isn’t.

  49. oliveoilers says:

    Christ on a bike, guys. We wouldn’t know what to do with McDavid even if we got him. He’s a center, and we’d still manage to play him on his off-wing.

  50. Ben says:

    Adam Wu,

    Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Steve Duchesne, and 2 1st round picks.

    The Oilers aren’t getting “just a little less” than this for that pick at this point. They’re getting the barest fraction of this.

    And they’re certainly getting less during the season.

  51. Lowetide says:

    Adam Wu:
    For contemplating trading the first round 2015 pick, think along the lines of what Colorado/Quebec got for Lindros.

    Perhaps just a little less, because in that case there was certainty regarding the player, in and this case there isn’t.

    I would absolutely agree, if Edmonton had the No 1 overall selection. They do not. If they finish with the no. 6 pick, they get a helluva prospect who will help them down the line.

  52. Ice Sage says:

    Why would any quality player (who would have a choice in the matter) come to this gongshow?

    U R all dreaming, kids.

    Some minor cosmetic trade might shake loose a la Smithson and will be hailed as the turning point… until the suckage continues. That’s how these guys roll – we’ve been witness to it for years.

    There is no solution other than a full organizational enema.

  53. stevezie says:

    Ice Sage: Why would any quality player (who would have a choice in the matter) come to this gongshow?

    Short term contract, embarrassing overpay. Would Starlman at two years adn 14 million be better than Nitkinin at two years and nine? Probably. One year at eight? Definitely.

    If you want to argue that would not be in the long-term best interests of the team you may be right, but it would get you your “quality player”.

  54. Rondo says:

    OT: Grand Jury Ferguson no indictment

  55. Ed Zackley says:

    Ben: Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Steve Duchesne, and 2 1st round picks.

    and $15M in cash, I believe. I would settle for just Forsberg at this point.

  56. grim.oil says:

    So on and on this vicious cycle goes. Chabot is gone now and if the proof is in the pudding like MacT likes to say then good riddance. With him gone the vultures now circle MacT himself. A GM that has been great as a player and a coach for this organization. Overall I think everyone will agree he is better than Steve ‘I’m going to sit on my hands’ Tambo. He’s made his share of good moves (Perron, Gordon, Hendricks) and bad ones (Labarbera, Grebeshkov, Aulie). However the move that hurts the most to think about though would be coaching.

    Ralph in 48games as head coach had our team move up the standings 5 spots. He was praised for teaching defense (yeah that thing the Oilers cant do) and being a motivational speaker. Yakupov had a good year (shortened year because of lockout) under him and special teams were leaps and bounds better than today or even before Ralph joined the Oil. He was canned for doing excellent work to be replaced by poise, polish and pedigree (my now most hated words ever). Eakins praised for those 3 P words and his healthy ways has since reverted the special teams to crap. He has dropped the team 4 spots last year and is on pace to finish in a similar spot this year. He gets angry when water splashes his suit but doesn’t notice when for 28 seconds our team is playing shorthanded (yes a whole 28 seconds). He uses sarcasm to attack fans for booing a poor performance stating how classy fans were to do that to the players. This the same coach who gave his star player dirty looks for getting splashed via frustration. He uses the word accountability yet has no idea what it means when it comes to Schultz. Now everyone can go on and on about how he doesn’t have much to work with. He’s got no goaltending or defence. Blah blah blah, He does however have poise as clearly stated in the Hallsy water bottle incident. He has pedigree although every coach has pedigree unless your talking dog food. Oh yes and Polish he’s got that too, it’s the stuff you use to put on something dull to give it a shine…. My god what a train wreck. Anyways back to Ralph, he didn’t have much to work with either yet he made things happen. He took losers and made them into contenders before coming to Edmonton. He was on track of doing that when he came to Edmonton. Sadly he didn’t have much to work with in Edmonton. Only 48games compared to Eakins 100+ now. How I miss Ralph. Improving a basement dweller team that on paper is worst than our current roster. The even deeper part being how he struck Gold with team Canada shortly after being let go.

    Sadly the vicious cycle continues. Us fans driven by the frustration of loss after loss, beer after beer, and what little hope we have left diluted inside ourselves. With nothing to look forward to and fans of other markets laughing while fans of this market are so twisted by media and hype that they cannot even make sense of it. Sadly there is no plethora of P words that can clean my blue blood or dry my orange tears.

    Signed long-time and born Oiler Fan thats still looking for a silver lining covered in this blanket of snow Kevin Lowe calls “Winning!”

  57. OF17 says:

    Lowetide: No. I’m talking about a massive deal, where Edmonton and Dallas get together and Edmonton walks away with Tyler Seguin and another significant asset. A massive, game changing deal that alters Edmonton’s strength up the middle. Or Colorado, maybe they have the assets.

    I’m not saying he has to make that big of a deal, but open up the possibilities. Make this trade the massive roster correction required.

    OEL would be just that type of acquisition. He’d be the best Oiler defender since Pronger, and he won’t turn 24 until the summer. He’s signed to a near steal of a deal at $5.5 million for the next 4 years. Can’t see Arizona considering the trade though. He’s their Hall.

  58. stevezie says:

    OF17,

    Straight up? I might do it if I were them. It almost guarantees them a top 3 pick, and a really good pick after that.

    Without OEL PHX is dropping fast, right? And he hasn’t had a great season, wo knows if he could save Edmonton? PHX could get Eichel and Noah.

    I think there might be more risk for the Oilers, as it might cost them Connor or Jack. How long can you wait to win? Do you win bigger by ruining the entire young core to get Eichel?

  59. Ed Zackley says:

    grim.oil: Sadly the vicious cycle continues.

    Vish. Indeed.

  60. BlacqueJacque says:

    The moment the Oilers move the first round pick, it becomes McDavid/Eichel/Hanafin. Not only that, but the player of those three selected with the Oilers pick will turn out to be the actual elite of the draft over the course of his career (the other two will never quite reach potential or suffer injuries.)

    This team is cursed. The curse was seeded with the Pronger trade, grew with forcing Souray to play, bloomed when Tambellini tempted the hockey gods with three consecutive tank seasons, and is now coming to fruition.

    It calls for a sacrifice. The blood of the Loweborn must be spilled at the feet of the Great One.

  61. Bank Shot says:

    The problem with trading the 2015 pick during the season is that teams who are competing for a playoff spot aren’t going to be eager to throw a roster player away at this point in time.

    They are more willing to in the offseason when its easier for them to fill the home through free agency or trade. That’s because other teams use the off season to fill holes in their roster.

    Weird idea right? Filling roster holes goes against everything the Oilers stand for.

    You are going to get a better return when there are more teans at the table.

  62. OF17 says:

    stevezie:
    OF17,

    Straight up? I might do it if I were them. It almost guarantees them a top 3 pick, and a really good pick after that.

    Without OEL PHX is dropping fast, right? And he hasn’t had a great season, wo knows if he could save Edmonton? PHX could get Eichel and Noah.

    I think there might be more risk for the Oilers, as it might cost them Connor or Jack. How long can you wait to win? Do you win bigger by ruining the entire young core to get Eichel?

    I don’t know if Arizona can afford such a complete overhaul of the team. Without OEL, they’re quite bare. Yandle only has one more year left after this one, and Hanzal only has two more. Going down the rebuild route might mean both of them look elsewhere for work, and if they do, Arizona is hooped. Eichel is an excellent piece, but that’s probably the only scenario in which the trade might make sense for them. Hanifin will be a success if he ends up in OEL’s position a few years from now, so that doesn’t make sense. Would be a huge risk for them, and I don’t think they’d be willing to take that risk unless they were sure the pick were top 2. Even then, I don’t know if they would.

    If the pick is top 2, I’m not sure I would make the deal from an Oilers’ perspective though. I’ve never seen McDavid or Eichel play, but it’s not often that you see stats like this and verbal like this about prospects. Whether that’s worth immediately obtaining a young #1D is beyond my knowledge.

  63. prairieschooner says:

    Perron was an excellent deal we got the best player
    MacT only gets another coach hire if he dumps Eakins sooner rather than later.

  64. McSorley33 says:

    Have to believe the NHL would step in if Mac T tried trading our 1st overall this year….

  65. cabbiesmacker says:

    TheOtherJohn:

    LT what, other than Hall, would get you Sequin? Do not see Nill doing it for anything less.

    And Hall isn’t near enough to get you Seguin.

  66. book¡je says:

    LT – I can’t believe you traded our first round pick for a moped.

  67. book¡je says:

    McSorley33:
    Have to believe the NHL would step in if Mac T tried trading our 1st overall this year….

    Why?

  68. admiralmark says:

    All due respect if a Dman is going out or a D man is returning in this deal I have absolutely zero faith in MacT’s trading abilities. He has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he cannot assess Dmen and their talent/abilities. Nikitin/Marincin/Schultz/Ference are all examples of over and under evaluations. Fail in each regard. Throw in the fact that the pro scouts are also an incompetent bunch .. i’ll say im holding my breath here. Maybe if it’s a Center coming back it’ll be ok… As long as its not Schenn!

  69. Lowetide says:

    McSorley33:
    Have to believe the NHL would step in if Mac T tried trading our 1st overall this year….

    Why? They didn’t step in during 2012, and they changed the rules already because of the Oilers.

  70. 99thoilerfan says:

    I think it is great that we are talking about EVERYONE in play, including Draft picks…

    Maybe the boys on the club will realize you have to Play WELL, to get traded out of here……

    Edmonton Oilers…. a nice club to be from……

    Sigh

  71. Bling says:

    I’m with LT on this.

    Generational talents are all well and good, but they don’t guarantee anything.

    Pens have won one cup with Crosby/Malkin. Tavares is 24, Isles are at 0 Cup Final appearances. Stamkos is 24, how many Cups have the Lightening won?

    Do you really want to wait another 6-7 years, because that’s what it will take if we draft 1OV again.

    All of the guys listed above are better than Kane/Toews. Which team would you rather cheer for?

    Depth, depth, depth, depth.

    If they can find the right player plus a couple of solid add-ons, I think you do it.

    It’s time to start taking winning seriously.

    Even with a generational talent, the Oilers are a world away from the point of all this, which is winning a Cup.

    They need to complement Hall/RNH with the right talent.

    1st rounder + Schultz for OEL, then deal Eberle for Couturier.

  72. cabbiesmacker says:

    oliveoilers:
    Christ on a bike, guys.We wouldn’t know what to do with McDavid even if we got him.

    Sure we would. Send him back to junior.

  73. grim.oil says:

    Both teams top-6 when healthy..

    Pouliot-Sequin-Eberle
    Perron-Nuge-Yak

    Hall-Eakin-Benn
    Nichushkin-Spezza-Hemsky

    *Eakin is currently the stars top center as Sequin is playing RW

    Just Saying…

  74. Lowetide says:

    book¡je:
    LT – I can’t believe you traded our first round pick for a moped.

    Call me crazy!

  75. grim.oil says:

    No one is better than Toews!

  76. Lowetide says:

    Bling:
    I’m with LT on this.

    Generational talents are all well and good, but they don’t guarantee anything.

    Pens have won one cup with Crosby/Malkin. Tavares is 24, Isles are at 0 Cup Final appearances. Stamkos is 24, how many Cups have the Lightening won?

    Do you really want to wait another 6-7 years, because that’s what it will take if we draft 1OV again.

    All of the guys listed above are better than Kane/Toews. Which team would you rather cheer for?

    Depth, depth, depth, depth.

    If they can find the right player plus a couple of solid add-ons, I think you do it.

    It’s time to start taking winning seriously.

    Even with a generational talent, the Oilers are a world away from the point of all this, which is winning a Cup.

    They need to complement Hall/RNH with the right talent.

    1st rounder + Schultz for OEL, then deal Eberle for Couturier.

    OEL isn’t a player I’d deal the pick for, there are issues (I believe) despite his solid year. However, the idea that the Oilers have somehow secured No. 1 or No. 2 overall simply isn’t true.

  77. cabbiesmacker says:

    99thoilerfan:
    I think it is great that we are talking about EVERYONE in play…

    Maybe the boys on the club will realize you have to Play WELL, to get traded out of here……

    Sigh

    I believe you’ve hit on something here. A new Oiler incentive plan.

    “Have a solid game…get traded to Winnipeg”

    “Gordie How hattrick?…….moved to Smashville”

    Shothanded goal, 2 assists, 5 body checks and cream an opponent in a scrap, ….enjoy Detroit ya bastidge”

    Hat Trick, Crush a Flame with a highlight reel hipcheck, and show huge leadership…..”Ok Buster that’s it. You’re on the next plane to LA and you can take one of Lowe’s rings with you ”

    We win the next 3 games by a combined 27 – 4.

  78. Lowetide says:

    grim.oil:
    No one is better than Toews!

    Well, I’d rank Crosby, Malkin and Stamkos ahead off the top of my brain. But he’s outstanding.

  79. grim.oil says:

    Better points is not better player.

  80. Kitchener says:

    It’s hard to imagine another GM rolling the dice on a 2015 1st pick deal. To give up a serious piss cutter in exchange for a pick that might end up being 10-12th overall is a big risk. I’d be shocked if the 2015 1st pick gets moved, as no-one knows what it’s worth but each GM in the deal would have a 50% chance of looking like a moron in less than a year.

  81. Gordies Elbow says:

    Lowetide,

    Statistically, they’re heavy favorites for a finish similar to last year.

    I’d say that given the current Sportsclubstats simulations, the season is over. I hate to say it, there isn’t a player (or group of players) that will get Edmonton 35 wins over the remaining season.

    I’d say that the likeliest scenarios have Edmonton looking at McDavid, Eichel, Hanfin, Strome, and Zacha. Moving any of the names on the above list will likely make the Parise for Pouliot and Jacques deal look almost even.

    Good teams don’t make desperate trades after the season is clearly lost.

  82. 99thoilerfan says:

    Bling:

    It’s time to start taking winning seriously.

    Even with a generational talent, the Oilers are a world away from the point of all this, which is winning a Cup.

    They need to complement Hall/RNH with the right talent.

    I agree, which leads us back to the need for a 5 alarm, 8 for 5, 4 team blockbuster swap!
    Philly does it all the time!

    Let’s find that Balance that LT talks about all the time….. Give it a try, see what that is like….

  83. Ed Zackley says:

    Lowetide: However, the idea that the Oilers have somehow secured No. 1 or No. 2 overall simply isn’t true.

    Sssshhhhh! Ixnay on the uthtray…

    So, what do you say Garth? Tavares for our 1st and Schultz? He’s going to win the Norris some day, and you’re sitting pretty low on picks in this ‘generational’ draft!

  84. Kmart99 says:

    Bling:
    I’m with LT on this.

    Generational talents are all well and good, but they don’t guarantee anything.

    Pens have won one cup with Crosby/Malkin. Tavares is 24, Isles are at 0 Cup Final appearances. Stamkos is 24, how many Cups have the Lightening won?

    Do you really want to wait another 6-7 years, because that’s what it will take if we draft 1OV again.

    All of the guys listed above are better than Kane/Toews. Which team would you rather cheer for?

    Depth, depth, depth, depth.

    If they can find the right player plus a couple of solid add-ons, I think you do it.

    It’s time to start taking winning seriously.

    Even with a generational talent, the Oilers are a world away from the point of all this, which is winning a Cup.

    They need to complement Hall/RNH with the right talent.

    1st rounder + Schultz for OEL, then deal Eberle for Couturier.

    No disrespect to Stamkos, Ovechkin, Tavares, Hall, Nuge, Yak, Kane, MacKinnon… But they aren’t in the same league as McDavid. One could argue that McDavid was having a significantly stronger draft year than any forward since Gretz in 77-78. The “Three 1st overalls didn’t work, what’s one more going to do?” argument doesn’t hold up in McDavid’s case.

    If the Oil trade the 1st rd pick. It has to be for Eric Staal, Jordan Staal. IMO.

  85. Dicky94 says:

    BLOCKBUSTER …..

    2015 1st pick, Eberle, Perron, Petry, Marincin to the Flyers for Coutuier, Simmonds, Coburn, Sanheim, Hagg and 2nd pick.
    Then trade Shultz, Gernat and 2nd plus conditional pick to Buffalo for Myers and Stewart. If Stewart don’t sign by deadline trade him for picks.

  86. 99thoilerfan says:

    Dicky94:
    BLOCKBUSTER …..

    2015 1st pick, Eberle, Perron, Petry, Marincin to the Flyers for Coutuier, Simmonds, Coburn, Sanheim, Hagg and 2nd pick.
    Then trade Shultz, Gernat and2nd plus conditional pick to Buffalo for Myers and Stewart. If Stewart don’t sign by deadline trade him for picks.

    “Boom goes the dyno-mite! ”

    Drops mike, walks off stage left…..

  87. Lowetide says:

    Kitchener:
    It’s hard to imagine another GM rolling the dice on a 2015 1st pick deal.To give up a serious piss cutter in exchange for a pick that might end up being 10-12th overall is a big risk.I’d be shocked if the 2015 1st pick gets moved, as no-one knows what it’s worth but each GM in the deal would have a 50% chance of looking like a moron in less than a year.

    Yes. That’s exactly the reason it doesn’t happen imo. You can’t be sure, that with the addition of a quality center and another piece (maybe a blue), that Edmonton doesn’t climb into the 7-10 overall spot. Enticing, though.

  88. dangilitis says:

    If Hall is not for sale (which he shouldn’t be), then the 1st rd draft pick should not be for sale for the same reason (refer to generational talent arguments above).

    And for that reason, because the season’s lost, turning Perron into a center makes little sense to me. Draisaitl. Nuge, Gordon, and 2015 1st round pick. That’s a hell of a C depth in 2-3 years time (shudder). D is far less certain. Nurse top 2 potential but nothing is guaranteed and it will take longer for him to develop than the younger forwards. After that, there’s Fayne. Marincin and Petry (2 of which are constantly rumored out of town), Klefbom, and a lot of decent magic beans (Simpson, Gernat, Oesterle, Davidson, Musil). That’s the problem. Trade Perron for a defender who can play now, and let the race begin for the center in the 2015 draft. I’m sorry, it’s true. No key defenders are going to come in that draft that will contribute meaningfully in the next few years, so make a trade that’s about the future, because the present is lost.

  89. Lowetide says:

    Sigh. What I’m getting from you is:

    1. The Oilers can’t possibly trade the first round pick because
    2. They’re going to win the lottery.

    We’re in hell.

  90. 99thoilerfan says:

    Lowetide:
    Sigh. What I’m getting from you is:

    1. The Oilers can’t possibly trade the first round pick because
    2. They’re going to win the lottery.

    We’re in hell.

    No… Please ……

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok

  91. book¡je says:

    Given how quiet MacT has been, I do wonder if something big is brewing. I’m thinking four players and draft pick out with three players coming back.

    Something to shake the foundations a bit.

  92. Lowetide says:

    book¡je:
    Given how quiet MacT has been, I do wonder if something big is brewing.I’m thinking four players and draft pick out with three players coming back.

    Something to shake the foundations a bit.

    Just to make my life miserable it’ll be four for two. I’ve been saying three for one for one decade, and they’re going to do a four for two. Dammit!

  93. book¡je says:

    Lowetide: Just to make my life miserable it’ll be four for two. I’ve been saying three for one for one decade, and they’re going to do a four for two. Dammit!

    I think you mean a 3 for 1 and a concurrent 1 for 1.

    You’re covered.

  94. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy,

    There are 2 generational talents at the top end of the draft and the Oilers are currently about 50% to get one of them.

    Yeah, that was wrong.

    If the Oilers finish 29th (BUF is the worst Fenwick team this century) they have a 33.5% chance of drafting in the top 2.

    Draft lottery odds:

    1 20.00%
    2 13.50%
    3 11.50%
    4 9.50%
    5 8.50%
    6 7.50%
    7 6.50%
    8 6.00%
    9 5.00%
    10 3.50%
    11 3.00%
    12 2.50%
    13 2.00%
    14 1.00%

  95. godot10 says:

    This is now MacT’s mess. He has full ownership of it. The only players that pre-date his return to the organization are

    Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, and Petry.

    He allegedly whispered into Katz ear to overrule the scouts and pick Yakupov over Murray, and he was in the room when Schultz was being wooed.

    The coaches are all new.

    If there is a losing culture, it is MacT’s losing culture.

  96. Gordies Elbow says:

    Woodguy,

    I can see Edmonton picking in the top 4 (again.) Only a 9.5% chance at McDavid, but 100% chance at one of McDavid, Eichel, Hanifin, Strome, or Zacha. Likely Hanifin or Strome.

  97. Bling says:

    Look, if you really want McDavid, mail your Oilers jersey to me and start cheering for Buffalo.

    Personally, I’m sick of seeing this team draft first overall, and I think there’s something to be said for overpaying IF it fills the right hole and turns the franchise north.

    I’m sick of watching “potential”, and you should be too. I want wins, and I want them now.

    Trade the 1st pick for the best dman you can find (I like OEL, but pick your poison).

    Eberle+ goes for the best C you can find.

    If Schultz has any trade value left, get another D for him, preferably one in his late 20s.

  98. grim.oil says:

    Just stock up on beer this year. If it looks like a tank, smells like a tank and quacks like a tank then guess what… Its a tank.

    If they get a C then they trade wingers for D in the offseason, if they get Hanifan they trade wingers for a C. Then we sign M.Babcock to coa.. ..yeah who am I kidding.

  99. Bling says:

    Lowetide:
    Sigh. What I’m getting from you is:

    1. The Oilers can’t possibly trade the first round pick because
    2. They’re going to win the lottery.

    We’re in hell.

    Yeah, this is nuts.

    People want to assemble a fantasy team and fire the coach every season until the team wins the Cup.

    You need good players up and down the lineup to win.

    Trade that pick and Ebs and we can finally start talking about balance.

  100. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lowetide:
    Sigh. What I’m getting from you is:

    1. The Oilers can’t possibly trade the first round pick because
    2. They’re going to win the lottery.

    We’re in hell.

    No, they’re only going to win the lottery or get in the top 3 if they trade the pick.

    If they don’t trade, they draft like, 7th overall. Then trade up to 5th overall to pick this year’s Pouliot (either, pick one.)

  101. Lowetide says:

    BlacqueJacque: No, they’re only going to win the lottery or get in the top 3 if they trade the pick.

    If they don’t trade, they draft like, 7th overall.

    Haha! I see the logic now. Thanks!

  102. Dicky94 says:

    Bling,

    I hear ya. Lets start winning now. McDavid might get arthritis in that broken hand playing in Edmonton anyway. Lol.

  103. dangilitis says:

    Lowetide:
    Sigh. What I’m getting from you is:

    1. The Oilers can’t possibly trade the first round pick because
    2. They’re going to win the lottery.

    We’re in hell.

    Well, yes (to 1, 2 and the afterthought).

    Even if they don’t get Eichel or McDavid, they aren’t going to be picking out of the top 5, and I have been told that a # 5 pick may equate with a RNH-quality center, which we could sorely use a facsimile of. The Oilers like to draft shiny forwards, and frankly, I don’t want them to pick below their draft position to fill an organizational need that can be addressed through trade (D), or through free agency (literally every year for goalies). And D and G take way longer to mature, and are more difficult to predict by draft. So trade Perron for a D, then draft C in the first round (then C/D for the remainder of the draft, just to be sure :))

  104. dangilitis says:

    Bling:
    Look, if you really want McDavid, mail your Oilers jersey to me and start cheering for Buffalo.

    Personally, I’m sick of seeing this team draft first overall, and I think there’s something to be said for overpaying IF it fills the right hole and turns the franchise north.

    I’m sick of watching “potential”, and you should be too. I want wins, and I want them now.

    Trade the 1st pick for the best dman you can find (I like OEL, but pick your poison).

    Eberle+ goes for the best C you can find.

    If Schultz has any trade value left, get another D for him, preferably one in his late 20s.

    Well that’s not really what most are saying. I think everyone here would like to see these guys turn this thing around, but the track record over the last 10 years suggests it will not happen. And it is easy to hope for the team to get a McDavid when you’ve become apathetic to losing. Even if you hope in your heart of hearts that the team is making the playoffs, you have to remind yourself that you are an Oilers fan, not an eternal optimist. Even I can’t sell myself hope at this point. The perceived rebuild was finally, on paper, going to progress, and instead we’re talking about fire sales before Black Friday.

  105. Gordies Elbow says:

    Woodguy,

    I can see Edmonton picking in the top 4 (again.) Only a 9.5% chance at McDavid, but 100% chance at one of McDavid, Eichel, Hanifin, Strome, or Zacha. Likely Hanifin or Strome.

    Lowetide:
    Sigh. What I’m getting from you is:

    1. The Oilers can’t possibly trade the first round pick because
    2. They’re going to win the lottery.

    We’re in hell.

    Edmonton can win the lottery. Based on the math, can’t make the playoffs this year. Trading futures for now? Not the good play.

    Unfortunately, we’re talking about the future, not the current. I can’t see how they can trade futures to help the current, without losing like Milbury did on the Luongo/Joikenen for Parrish/Kvasha.

    Cavalry isn’t coming. It might be hell, but making poor trades to defend a losing position isn’t going to help. IMO, they’d be better off looking at whether they have systems that take advantage of the players capabilities, rather than forcing a specific system on players.

    If I see Hall take another pass 3 feet from the opposing blue line AT A DEAD STOP, I’m going to lose it. It’s hell, but it’s our hell…

  106. godot10 says:

    The trade value of the 2015 #1 pick will have much more trade value on the day of the draft. Why would you trade it now, when one cannot get full value for it until draft day?

    A bidding war is impossible mid-season. And no one will value the pick as McDavid or Eichel now, when what they trade the Oilers they have to assume will move the OIlers out of the top 5 in the draft.

  107. Bling says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Woodguy,

    I can see Edmonton picking in the top 4 (again.) Only a 9.5% chance at McDavid, but 100% chance at one of McDavid, Eichel, Hanifin, Strome, or Zacha. Likely Hanifin or Strome.

    Edmonton can win the lottery. Based on the math, can’t make the playoffs this year.Trading futures for now? Not the good play.

    Unfortunately, we’re talking about the future, not the current. I can’t see how they can trade futures to help the current, without losing like Milbury did on the Luongo/Joikenen for Parrish/Kvasha.

    Cavalry isn’t coming. It might be hell, but making poor trades to defend a losing position isn’t going to help. IMO, they’d be better off looking at whether they have systems that take advantage of the players capabilities, rather than forcing a specific system on players.

    If I see Hall take another pass 3 feet from the opposing blue line AT A DEAD STOP, I’m going to lose it.It’s hell, but it’s our hell…

    Just because a playoff finish isn’t possible doesn’t mean that the team should give up.

    If they can finish in the 18-20 range this year with some momentum, they can be a legit playoff contender going into next season, and that actually means something.

    Holding onto the pick and accepting yet another losing season lying down is cowardly.

    It’s Carpe Diem time for the Oilers.

  108. hankster says:

    all I want for xmas is a competent management group …as soon as Katz gets ridiculed at a black tie event we may have real hope of change. There simply is no debate this organization is dysfunctional and the person most responsible is klowe.
    Finding a 2nd C is constantly touted as the magic pill that turns the boat around… look around, the ship is sinking, again. For 8 YRS now without a playoff appearance. Rest of the league doesn’t respect the oilers, former players tweets inside the locker room info and we have the guts to laugh them off.
    I wish there was a leader who wouldn’t care whether he’s allowed back into Rexall place by organizing real protest to the owner.

  109. Bling says:

    godot10:
    The trade value of the 2015 #1 pick will have much more trade value on the day of the draft.Why would you trade it now, when one cannot get full value for it until draft day?

    A bidding war is impossible mid-season.And no one will value the pick as McDavid or Eichel now, when what they trade the Oilers they have to assume will move the OIlers out of the top 5 in the draft.

    There’s no guarantee that pick will be McDavid or Eichel.

    MacTavish is going to do something big (Eberle, Schultz is my guess) — why not go all the way?

    If you end up with a 3rd overall or 4th overall pick, the return will be relatively marginal anyways. Draft that kid, and you’ll have another Draisaitl to “help” you make the playoffs.

    Plus: IMO, it’s the honourable thing to do. The Oilers can (rightly) be accused of not doing everything in their power to win. That is unacceptable.

    The time to turn north isn’t in six months, it’s right now.

  110. grim.oil says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Woodguy,

    Cavalry isn’t coming. It might be hell, but making poor trades to defend a losing position isn’t going to help. IMO, they’d be better off looking at whether they have systems that take advantage of the players capabilities, rather than forcing a specific system on players.

    How about just giving them a system, any system. I’m getting tired of this elementary mentality of everyone chase the bean bag puck around the extra buffed gym floor. Schultz – “last one there is a rotten egg”

  111. Lowetide says:

    godot10:
    The trade value of the 2015 #1 pick will have much more trade value on the day of the draft.Why would you trade it now, when one cannot get full value for it until draft day?

    A bidding war is impossible mid-season.And no one will value the pick as McDavid or Eichel now, when what they trade the Oilers they have to assume will move the OIlers out of the top 5 in the draft.

    Because you’re trading the possibility, not the actual pick. There are no guarantees Edmonton is going to pick first, and they are the ONE team that will be interested in wins throughout the season. Carolina, Buffalo, even a team like Arizona, once they fall out of the playoff picture might as well dive.

    I don’t think the Oilers can afford to do that this season. The fanbase will fracture.

  112. Gordies Elbow says:

    Bling: Just because a playoff finish isn’t possible doesn’t mean that the team should give up.

    If they can finish in the 18-20 range this year with some momentum, they can be a legit playoff contender going into next season, and that actually means something.

    Holding onto the pick and accepting yet another losing season lying down is cowardly.

    It’s Carpe Diem time for the Oilers.

    No problems with them improving, but if you’re looking to move assets to improve in the short term, please look at the math. To draft 10th, 25% chance, they have to go 33 wins – 20 losses – 8 OT points. 88 points.

    Season is clearly over (please prove me wrong, please)

    Is moving a player of Hall or Hopkins calibre worth marginal improvement?

    I picked the Luongo/Joikenen for Parrish/Kvasha deal on purpose. This is exactly the point the Milbury was at.

    History, repeat, blah, blah, blah.

  113. VanOil says:

    The sequence of events should be;

    Kevin Lowe resigning in the next few weeks as an early Xmas gift to fans.

    New POHO in place and able to supervise/evaluate GM MacT through the trade deadline.

    If GM MacT has not secured a better plan than having one or possibly two teenagers as Centers starting the season next year and/or Justin Schultz as the 1D by July 2 he should be Ex-GM July 3.

    New GM will eventually bring in his own coach.

    The only acceptable alternative is offer Babcock any/all of the POHO/GM/Coaching positions he wants the day the season ends.

    Personnel decisions should wait until we have better personnel making the decisions.

  114. grim.oil says:

    Fans have organized facebook pages and paid for billboards. They have yelled ‘Boooo’ at their own team and some have even thrown their sweaters over the glass. Open your eyes…. The fanbase is already fractured

  115. book¡je says:

    Lowetide:
    I don’t think the Oilers can afford to do that this season. The fanbase will fracture.

    I think the fanbase would endure if the team just rolled along casually losing (like Toronto does), rather, the team might truly fracture (public demand by Hall for a trade for example) and then it all falls apart.

  116. Hammers says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    LT, what will it take for you to stop giving MacT the benefit of the doubt?

    If he trades one of the 1stOVs for cents on the dollar, would that do it?

    He’s talked himself into Eakins, Scrivens, Nikitin, Schultz as 1D, Draisaitl as 2C, etc.

    What’s to stop him from talking himself into Yakupov for Coburn or next year’s 1st for Kadri?

    The bulk of his trades thus far have been spare parts for spare parts or futures. With the next round of deals, he has to be equal parts Kreskin and Sam Pollock. Do you honestly think he has it in him?

    His crystal ball seems exceedingly cloudy to my eyes.

    Like I said earlier today your opinion . Got the feeling LT agreed with me on this one . Your just so negative .

  117. Lowetide says:

    grim.oil:
    Fans have organized facebook pages and paid for billboards. They have yelled ‘Boooo’ at their own team and some have even thrown their sweaters over the glass. Open your eyes…. The fanbase is already fractured

    Nah. That’s just people with too much money trying to make a splash. Good for them, but it doesn’t move the needle.

  118. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: Top drawer player, young enough to make a difference for a long time. For instance, I wouldn’t give up the pick for Shea Weber.

    Sorry LT I would because Webber takes us up 10 spots to 20 or so That pick becomes like any other 1st .

  119. Lowetide says:

    Hammers: Sorry LT I would because Webber takes us up 10 spots to 20 or soThat pick becomes like any other 1st .

    He’s 30 though, or damn near. Weber isn’t a fast man, he’ll be good not great in his 30’s imo.

  120. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: No. I’m talking about a massive deal, where Edmonton and Dallas get together and Edmonton walks away with Tyler Seguin and another significant asset. A massive, game changing deal that alters Edmonton’s strength up the middle. Or Colorado, maybe they have the assets.

    I’m not saying he has to make that big of a deal, but open up the possibilities. Make this trade the massive roster correction required.

    This idea I like .

  121. Gret99zky says:

    Aren’t the Oilers unofficially ineligible to win the lottery for at least a few more years?

    Christ, the NHL doesn’t even want them picking in the top 3 in 2016.

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-makes-changes-to-draft-lottery-for-2015-1.2742088

  122. "Frank The Dog" says:

    godot10:
    This is now MacT’s mess.He has full ownership of it.The only players that pre-date his return to the organization are

    Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, and Petry.

    He allegedly whispered into Katz ear to overrule the scouts and pick Yakupov over Murray, and he was in the room when Schultz was being wooed.

    The coaches are all new.

    If there is a losing culture, it is MacT’s losing culture.

    Who’s alleging this? You?
    Have you forgotten the furore the fans were getting themselves into at the thought of Tambo not drafting Yak?

  123. Gret99zky says:

    book¡je: I think the fanbase would endure if the team just rolled along casually losing (like Toronto does), rather, the team might truly fracture (public demand by Hall for a trade for example) and then it all falls apart.

    According to another site the latest billboards go up tomorrow. One on Argyll & 99st and one on the west side near the mall.

  124. Woodguy says:

    Gret99zky: According to another site the latest billboards go up tomorrow.One on Argyll & 99st and one on the west side near the mall.

    What are they going to say?

    Link?

  125. grim.oil says:

    Weber is great right now, what happened to we need to do something before the fanbase fractures. Weber would not only step in as a legit number 1. He would strike fear into opponents with his tenacity, shot, IQ and skill. I can’t name 1 oiler that brings all that to the table. Not to mention someone that can help develop our young prospective D and maybe even teach our coach how D works. Weber don’t play no swarm though, that could be a problem.

  126. Snowman says:

    I agree that it’s do or die time. This team can’t have another losing terrible god awful bottom 5 finish. They have to start turning north. They have to build some momentum into next year. MacT has to show Hall and Nuge he’s not going to let them rot here for the next 6 years.

    Trade the pick. Trade Ebs. Trade Schultz. Trade everyone but Hall (and imho Nuge and possibly Drai). Turn North. Turn North. Turn North.

    Depth will trump top end talent every day of the week. Get some real depth.

    What do the Oilers have to lose? It’s tough to get worse than last. Make it happen. Good gord make it happen. It’s gotta be a significant improvement the next 60 games and serious contention for playoffs next year.

    I agree with LT picking first overall is hell.

  127. Lowetide says:

    grim.oil:
    Weber is great right now, what happened to we need to do something before the fanbase fractures. Weber would not only step in as a legit number 1. He would strike fear into opponents with his tenacity, shot, IQ and skill. I can’t name 1 oiler that brings all that to the table. Not to mention someone that can help develop our young prospective D and maybe even teach our coach how D works. Weber don’t play no swarm though, that could be a problem.

    Well, the first-round pick is terribly valuable. So, you need to acquire someone who is part of the cluster (Seguin as an example) that also includes Hall and Nuge.

  128. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: He’s 30 though, or damn near. Weber isn’t a fast man, he’ll be good not great in his 30’s imo.

    You maybe right but he will be top 10 “D” for another 5 years and by then Nurse , Klefbom , Marincin and whoever else we draft will be on the team . Would you do our 1st + Nikitin for Cotourier , Coburn & Flyers 2nd .

  129. Gret99zky says:

    Woodguy,

    According to the Fire Lowe Facebook page they got turned down for a Fire Lowe Billboard by the people who own the one of 137 Ave/50 St. as they didn’t want to endorse the message, but there will be one going up on 99 St./Argyle Road on Tuesday.

    They have two going up. The Argyll one and then another near West Edmonton Mall. I think some guy purchased one on his own.

    http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1779573&page=5

  130. grim.oil says:

    You lost me LT and Hammer no one wants Nikitin

  131. Hammers says:

    Lets all just hope McT makes a trade over the next 10 days . Logic still says Perron and I would throw in Schultz for some kind of 2 for 2 or 3 from us 3rd a Musil type .

  132. Hammers says:

    grim.oil:
    You lost me LT and Hammer no one wants Nikitin

    If they want our 1st bad enough they may just take him .

  133. Lowetide says:

    Hammers: You maybe right but he will be top 10 “D” for another 5 years and by then Nurse , Klefbom , Marincin and whoever else we draft will be on the team . Would you doour 1st + Nikitin forCotourier , Coburn & Flyers 2nd .

    No. I wouldn’t trade the first-round pick for anything less than an impact D or c.

  134. grim.oil says:

    I think impact D only, they could easily trade for a 2C thats really a great 3C but can play 2C until Draisatl is ready. Then two of the biggest holes are filled. Personaly I would play Tambo and wait it out but if your moving the pick and no core players then impact D all the way.

  135. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: No. I wouldn’t trade the first-round pick for anything less than an impact D or c.

    But that 1st rd pick could be anywhere from 8-11 especially if Perron goes for a “C” .I am making the bet that Webber moves us up above those top 5-6 and a decent “C” for Perron gets us higher . Only thing is it needs to happen NOW not In Jan .

  136. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lowetide: No. I wouldn’t trade the first-round pick for anything less than an impact D or c.

    I’m looking at the lists, and I don’t see any that might be pried loose.

    Maybe Malkin, due to injury history, cap issues, and if Pittsburgh goes on a long slide. But I don’t see the Pens giving up on Crosby’s prime for a chance at McDavid. I suppose the Leafs might let Bozak go. San Jose would be willing to deal Pavelski or Thornton, I imagine, but I don’t think those are good fits for the Oilers. We’d need to shed cap simultaneously. Pavelski, if anything.

    On defence it looks even sketchier. Sure, you could get Yandle, Green, or Barrie, but they’re not what the Oilers need. A 10-25% chance at McDavid, and a nigh-on guarantee of Eichel or Hanafin is worth more than those. Teams determined to make the playoffs aren’t going to deal a top defender.

    Picks aren’t full value until draft day, when the playoffs are a far cry and the future is now.

    If the Oilers are going to make mid-season changes, it’s going to be a combination of Eberle, Perron, and later-round picks trying to pry loose Couturier.

  137. stevezie says:

    Gret99zky,

    I get that people can spend their money however they choose, but good mercy what a stupid waste of it.

  138. speeds says:

    Bling:

    The time to turn north isn’t in six months, it’s right now.

    Don’t agree. Now is not a great time to worry about the present. That time was 5 months ago, or 6 months from now. You are unlikely to be able to make any seismic moves now that will materially improve the club in a sensible way. How are Perron or Eberle worth more now than they were this summer, when EDM didn’t trade them to address other perceived areas of need?

  139. Bling says:

    speeds: Don’t agree.Now is not a great time to worry about the present.That time was 5 months ago, or 6 months from now.You are unlikely to be able to make any seismic moves now that will materially improve the club in a sensible way.How are Perron or Eberle worth more now than they were this summer, when EDM didn’t trade them to address other perceived areas of need?

    I don’t think we can say that it’s unlikely the team can be materially improved via the trade route without knowing what, exactly, is on the table.

    St. Louis made a pretty big trade a few years ago, in season, that set them up for their current success.

    Quality for quality.

    Additionally, we do stand to lose, from a value point-of-view, by burning a year of Perron’s contract.

    Same goes for Eberle.

    If both continue their current level of play, their value could be torpedoed by the offseason.

    Who wants a 6 million dollar winger, newly indifferent to his side of centre ice, coming off a 50 point season?

    If you can acquire a Couturier or O’Riellly type from a similarly desperate franchise, I think you do it.

    Schultz should be moved for similar reasons.

    No time to wait, IMO.

  140. boopronger says:

    Even if they oilers make a big trade it wont matter, their drafting is terrible. Trade for a good player but cannot restock the shelves.

  141. digdeepnbleedblue says:

    Well, dudes it’s been a turbulent ride but we’ve finally landed. On planet Holy Fucked. “Say it ain’t so, Dig!” I can hear your keyboards clicking away, their modern spew of ratiocinative directed my way.

    It is so, I’m afraid.

    Any deal now that is of major significance is gonna feel like being bent over and getting hobble snackered. And the only way any of us are gonna feel like we have any sense of self respect is if that kind man gives us a reach around.

    Just make it gentle. Please, kind sir. And reach often.

    We’re fucked, lads. And, this is just the beginning of our discontent. There’s no trade that can remedy this. At least not one that 29 GMs will make.

    Maybe our souls? Or is that not even enough?

    Maybe the suits can trade some pillow soft for some reasonably talented jar heads. Maybe a slew water drinkin’, able to pass and shoot, 6′ 9″ farm boy with three teeth? A Neanderthal looking mutha (shut yo mouth!) who can rock some heads? I’ll believe that when I see it.

    We’re fucked, but if only…

    Energy: the strength and vitality required for sustained physical or mental activity. That and some balls and I think this season is somewhere else… But, that’s just me…

    Back to beer. Happy times!

  142. Dee Dee says:

    meh

  143. book¡je says:

    stevezie:
    Gret99zky,

    I get that people can spend their money however they choose, but good mercy what a stupid waste of it.

    Agreed

  144. book¡je says:

    grim.oil:
    Fans have organized facebook pages and paid for billboards. They have yelled ‘Boooo’ at their own team and some have even thrown their sweaters over the glass. Open your eyes…. The fanbase is already fractured

    Billboards, discarded jerseys, etc. are irrelevant background noise. Unless there is a meaningful drop off in ticket sales, the fan base is not ‘fractured’ in the way that LT is presenting.

  145. Ryan says:

    VanOil:
    The sequence of events should be;

    Kevin Lowe resigning in the next few weeks as an early Xmas gift to fans.

    New POHO in place and able to supervise/evaluate GM MacT through the trade deadline.

    If GM MacT has not secured a better plan than having one or possibly two teenagers as Centers starting the season next year and/or Justin Schultz as the 1D by July 2 he should be Ex-GM July 3.

    New GM will eventually bring in his own coach.

    The only acceptable alternative is offer Babcock any/all of the POHO/GM/Coaching positions he wants the day the season ends.

    Personnel decisions should wait until we have better personnel making the decisions.

    Yes for Babcock. If Katz had taken my advice at the tail end of the Tambellini debacle, he would have air lifted in the entire Yotes management…. Maloney. Tippet.

    Maybe he’ll back up the Brinks truck this time and offer Babcock an enticing new challenge in life…

  146. Kmart99 says:

    Woodguy:
    Woodguy,

    There are 2 generational talents at the top end of the draft and the Oilers are currently about 50% to get one of them.

    Yeah, that was wrong.

    If the Oilers finish 29th (BUF is the worst Fenwick team this century) they have a 33.5% chance of drafting in the top 2.

    Draft lottery odds:

    120.00%
    213.50%
    311.50%
    49.50%
    58.50%
    67.50%
    76.50%
    86.00%
    95.00%
    103.50%
    113.00%
    122.50%
    132.00%
    141.00%

    Is Eichel really a generational talent? Seems more like the Tavares, Hall, Stamkos range. Not Crosby, Lindros range.

    Phil Kessel took two first round picks to acquire.
    LT’s suggestion of Seguin+ for the first rd pick is nice. Better be a big plus.

    Eric Staal + Jordan Staal+?
    OEL ++
    Seguin or Benn ++
    Ekblad+
    Weber+Josi? ( i don’t see any playoff teams paying for the pick)

  147. GCW_69 says:

    godot10:
    This is now MacT’s mess.He has full ownership of it.The only players that pre-date his return to the organization are

    Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, and Petry.

    He allegedly whispered into Katz ear to overrule the scouts and pick Yakupov over Murray, and he was in the room when Schultz was being wooed.

    The coaches are all new.

    If there is a losing culture, it is MacT’s losing culture.

    You are correct, Sir.

  148. Kmart99 says:

    Lowetide: Yes. That’s exactly the reason it doesn’t happen imo. You can’t be sure, that with the addition of a quality center and another piece (maybe a blue), that Edmonton doesn’t climb into the 7-10 overall spot. Enticing, though.

    I’d think any one of the bottom 8 teams might make that gamble in order to give themselves two shots at it. Buff doesn’t have anything I want, but COL, DAL, CBJ, ARZ, FL, PHI all have what it takes to get a deal like this done.

    I think what MacT would need to get this deal done is lower the price but have a condition like “If you draft in the top two, we get blah blah”

    So say the deal is OEL+2ndrd pick+conditional 1strd pick if they draft McDavid or Eichel.

  149. Kmart99 says:

    That CBC link claims that the 30th place team could end up picking as low as 4th instead of 2nd…. How is that possible?
    So you could finish 30th and miss out on McDavid AND Eichel?

  150. Kmart99 says:

    I was under the impression that having a 20% shot at the lottery gave the 30th place team a 30% shot at 1st overall because only the bottom 5 teams can move up to 1st. The 6th last team can at best pick 2nd right? And how is it that CBC claims the 30th place team could end up picking 4th overall?

    How about this deal: Hall+Petry to BUF for 1st rd pick. McDavid AND Eichel. Blew it up. Jk jk

  151. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Kmart99,

    Changed this year. This year any team that wins the lottery picks 1st, even if they’re 1 point out of a playoff spot.

    Next year the top 3 picks are all available, there will be 3 draws. Last place team could conceivably pick 4th, though that would be pretty unlucky.

  152. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Kmart99,

    I know you’re joking, but the honest problem with that trade is that, if we made it now, Buffalo probably wouldn’t have the top pick anymore.

    We sure would though.

  153. MenovOil says:

    According to Jim Matheson, the Oilers are sniffing hard around Berglund and St-Louis are asking for Eberle in exchange. It wouldn’t be a straight one for one swap but the basis of a trade.

    If that truly is the case, then yuck, we are truly and well fucked.

  154. Ca$h-Money! says:

    MenovOil,

    Agreed, I’d rather be terrible with Jordan than somewhat less terrible with Berglund. I’m ok with trading Eberle but not for a 3c.

  155. jake70 says:

    Long time coming but I am now in with the masses saying Lowe has to be removed. He’s presided over this long enough. Great Oiler, time to go. He is not helping. That would be my next move. I would leave MacT in place for another summer.

  156. russ99 says:

    Ryan: Yes for Babcock.If Katz had taken my advice at the tail end of the Tambellini debacle, he would have air lifted in the entire Yotes management….Maloney.Tippet.

    Maybe he’ll back up the Brinks truck this time and offer Babcock an enticing new challenge in life…

    I said it before, and I’ll say it again:

    The day we passed up on Jim Nill and decided to hire both GM and coach without a transparent hiring process because of the Old Oiler Boy Network is the day we put ourselves even deeper in this mess, and frankly, it’s getting Tambellini bad.

  157. russ99 says:

    MenovOil:
    According to Jim Matheson, the Oilers are sniffing hard around Berglund and St-Louis are asking for Eberle in exchange. It wouldn’t be a straight one for one swap but the basis of a trade.

    If that truly is the case, then yuck, we are truly and well fucked.

    LOL – of course they’re asking for that. Everyone knows what a mess we have here, and they’re wondering exactly how desperate MacT will be to fix it.

    I seriously doubt MacT is that dumb…

  158. wintoon says:

    One of the biggest problems the Oilers management faces right now is the level of emotional attachment to the teams non-performance. If they make a knee-jerk move it may well be a disaster.

    The only scenario I see being worthwhile, other than status quo for a very valuable first round pick in 2015, is a trade along the lines of what LT proposed. With our future centres being Seguin, Nuge and Draisaitl we would be exceptionally strong. It still would not address our glaring weakness on the blue line but it at least gives a chance at respectability. If such a trade could be accomplished without sacrificing our 2015 first draft pick, I would support it wholeheartedly. Don’t like our chances.

    A band aid fix for a mediocre centre or D man that just screws up a possible high draft pick would be criminal. We must not lose sight of the fact that the Oilers have to be building for the Cup not the playoffs.

  159. TheGreatMutato says:

    MacT is the 2014 Godzilla film – the one with Walter White. An unimpressive film at best, and one met with positivity only because of how low the bar had dropped due to the 1998 adaptation.

  160. grim.oil says:

    book¡je,

    Irrelevant background noise?… Sounds like an understatement to me. A franchise with a fan base touted as one of the best and one of the loudest only a few years ago is now being touted as one of the most disgraceful and ignorant. Thats flip mode, opposite side of the coin, table turned. I stand by the statement the fanbase is ‘fractured’. Perhaps LT should of said broken however I still feel it cant be broken. Not only is Hockey our favorite child but for most its their only child.

  161. Bling says:

    If the return for Eberle is Berglund-esque, let’s stick with the status-quo. Yowza.

    Have a good feeling about tonight — made my patented 2 meat, premium cheese, garlic flavoured meatballs. Gonna wash them down with some pasta and a Shock Top, and I’ll be wearing my copper and blue Oilers jersey (half trim).

    Might even watch the game later 😉

  162. BeerMe says:

    I think we need a New Age System.

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