ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THAT?

The city of Edmonton waits with anticipation today, as Craig MacTavish steps in front of the bright lights to discuss the latest disaster and defend his team. The gathered media will have groomed their questions and frankly the theatrics could be breathtaking.

I expect Craig MacTavish will say the following today:

  1. I believe in Dallas Eakins and the staff, we’re getting better and will turn this thing around.
  2. Possession stats are there, but getting killed in goal, coverage, center and power play have cratered season.
  3. It’s my job to get the right players and I was not successful this summer.
  4. We will find the right mix and are aggressively pursuing options. We will not stand pat.
  5. Bob Nicholson will chair the ‘forensic audit’ of all areas of the organization, with emphasis on scouting departments and minor league systems.

After that, the questions will flood in and that’s where the magic may or may not happen. The Edmonton chapter of the media are going to ask tough questions—they have a lot of material—and MacTavish will be under the hot lights and under enormous pressure. I expect MacT will handle things well enough, although the comments over summer (Justin Schultz, Norris candidate) may come up. I expect Craig MacTavish will be supportive of his group, acknowledge he and others must be better, and tell us he’s getting back to work so has to leave now.

There may be some very good stuff that comes out from this media conference, reputations get made in moments like this—good and bad. In real terms, it’s more about show business and soundbites than substance—the Oilers are highly unlikely to announce a transaction or firing today. That’s not really the feature item today. The BIG deal? What happens after that, the trade, the games, the games to the deadline. Not firing Dallas Eakins tomorrow doesn’t mean success, only survival.

And the coming trade? Dangerous dangerous times.

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EXIT EBERLE?

Joe Haggerty posted an article last night that named names in regard to Jordan Eberle to Boston rumors. A quick rundown of a possible deal for Eberle:

  • Haggerty: “Bruins should be comfortable dealing away Loui Eriksson or Reilly Smith along with a young goaltender, a defenseman and whatever draft pick package is needed to make it happen.”

Here’s a brief profile on each player Haggerty mentioned in the piece.

  • Reilly Smith, 23. He’s making $1.4M and is RFA after the season. He scored 20 goals and 51 points a year ago, but is on pace for 13-19-32 this season. Great possession stats, but is playing with Patrice Bergeron and Brad Marchand. Source. THN: Knows where to place himself in order to score goals at lower levels. Is shifty and also a hard worker. Can play either wing. Source
  • Loui Eriksson, 29. He’s making $4.25M this and next season and then walks UFA. Had some big scoring seasons in Dallas, but is on pace for 9-32-41 this year. Great possession stats with Carl Soderberg and Chris Kelly. Source. THN: Owns tremendous offensive instincts and a goal-scorer’s touch with an accurate shot. Is also good as a playmaker, thanks to excellent stickhandling ability. He’s also great defensively. Source.
  • Chris Kelly, 34. Aging center with a little offense, he’s making $3M this and next season.
  • Niklas Svedbderg, 25. A very nice young goalie. Unproven in the NHL, but he’s been effective in limited exposure.
  • Malcom Subban, 20. Impressive goalie in his second AHL season, has yet to make NHL debut.
  • Joe Morrow, 21. Former first-round pick has moved around a lot for such a young prospect.

He also mentioned Milan Lucic, but that’s not likely to happen. If the Oilers trade Eberle for Lucic, it’ll be a much bigger deal and the risks will be beyond alarming. One player not listed is Alex Khokhlachev, who might be a very nice fit with these young Oilers. Is there a group of players (say, Smith, Khokhlachev and a pick) that equal Eberle?

I don’t think so. There’s no perfect fit between the two teams. I imagine one of Eriksson or Kelly would have to be included in the trade to make the money work. I also wouldn’t be shocked to see Jeff Petry or Martin Marincin included in a bigger deal.

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 ONE FINAL ATTEMPT TO CONVINCE YOU

I’ve had this conversation many, many times over the years but have kind of given up because the train has left the station. I’ve said for a long time now that five years is the ‘line in the sand’ for a draft year and for the most part folks agree. However, the Oilers latest losing streak has found the amateur scouting department and is hammering away non-stop these days. Tobias Rieder, drafted by the current group, is being used against the current group as proof of poor performance as all draft years get thrown together in an effort to frame the issue. I would argue that the biggest crime in Oilers drafting this century was the 2007 draft, a selection that contributed heavily to the removal of Kevin Prendergast from the top job.

In 2009, Scott Cullent estimated that a second round selection had a 28% chance of playing 100 NHL games. I wrote about it here. Let’s have a look at second round selections over the years and see if we can identify where the blame should lie—and compare it to where the blame is being laid.

  • 2000: Brad Winchester
  • 2001: Doug Lynch
  • 2001: Eddie Caron
  • 2002: Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers
  • 2002: Jarret Stoll
  • 2002: Matt Greene
  • 2003: Colin McDonald
  • 2003: J-F Jacques
  • 2004: Roman Tesliuk
  • 2004: Geoff Paukovich
  • 2005: Taylor Chorney
  • 2006: Jeff Petry
  • 2007: No second round selections
  • 2008: No second round selections
  • 2009: Anton Lander
  • 2010: Tyler Pitlick
  • 2010: Martin Marincin
  • 2010: Curtis Hamilton
  • 2011: David Musil
  • 2012: Mitchell Moroz
  • 2013: Marco Roy

I submit that the second round picks 2003-2009 are an issue, and that the 2010+ group are not in fact where the focus should be today.

That single idea is being swept away today, as people bring up names like Boone Jenner and Tobias Rieder as hammers. Let me ask you this: Shouldn’t the Oilers’ 2003-2009 second round be delivering more players than Jeff Petry? And wouldn’t those players be more impactful today (if they’d worked out) than Anton Lander, Martin Marincin or Tyler Pitlick, who are still working toward the NHL?

I think the scouting staff can be reasonably criticized but we’re focusing on the wrong years.

The critics point to Boone Jenner in 2011 as a draft miss and that’s certainly fair, but remember the Oilers were ‘drafting for need’ and had to stock the defensive shelves at that time. Was that a scouting bias or a management need? I don’t hold out much hope for the current scouting department, this forensic audit sounds to me like a witch hunt created solely for the purpose of finding another scapegoat. The biggest problem for the Edmonton Oilers this morning? They can’t fire Steve Tambellini again, so it looks to me as though they’ll fire the people who were around at the time and call it close enough for jazz.

One question: In the midst of all this great work, may I ask for some evidence that Bob Nicholson is the man who should be doing this? May I ask for his NHL experience and credentials? If we’re going to flush this group, can we PLEASE have an organized interview process and hire the best people available? If Mr. Katz fires the current group and then hires a bunch of Nicholson cronies, where are we really? I’m asking.

End rant.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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Lowdown hits live from Camrose at 10 this morning, TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouth Sports. MacT conference, Beliveau memories.
  • Corey Graham, Oil King PBP. Weekend games, Teddy Bear toss, Jarry excluded.
  • Corey Pronman, ESPN. Top 5 2015, who are they and how good will they be?
  • Paul Almeida, Saturday Sports Extra. Paul will chime in on the media conference and we’ll preview the Saturday show.
  • Dave Jamieson, TSN 1260. Weekend football action, CFL free agency.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. I know many will want to ask Pronman questions, because I’m live on location please leave questions below in comments section or DM me on twitter if we follow each other.

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  1. Soup Fascist says:

    GotUkulele,

    Two different shows. One was a Toronto based / very creepy show hosted by what may well have been a pedophile with a British accent and scary ass birthday clown. That was Uncle Bobby.

    Popcorn Playhouse was a local kids show hosted by the CTV weather guy. Pretty hilarious stuff if I can remember back. A talking moose head mounted on the wall and live interviews with 6-year old kids with no filters or 7 second delays. Pretty sure led to some tense moments with producers as well as parents in the ‘Green Room” – caused a few divorces.

    Klondike Eric (Host): Hey Billy, what does your dad do?

    Billy: He is a trucker and is gone a lot.

    Host: Oh, you must miss him.

    Billy: Not really, Mommy’s friend Dave sleeps over whenever he leaves.

    Infinitely more entertaining than Oilers’ games. F@c% I am old.

  2. Bank Shot says:

    Oddspell: I don’t understand, Penner was dumped two years after MacT left the organization. I think he was coaching for Detroit at that point. Brodziak was traded two months after MacT left the organization.

    That’s right about Penner. I was as hazy in my recollections there as MacT was when recalling his start date with the organization.

  3. RMGS says:

    EDIT: This is for you, Sheps.

    I sympathize (I’m at the crossroads of Leafs/Sens/Habs country) and have a cure for the temptation of watching late night Oilers games: have a baby. There’s no way you trade valuable sleep for losing hockey when you have a newborn. 🙂

  4. rickithebear says:

    Cullen is full of Shit!

    Michael Schukers did a long term look at Draft Success.
    The chane of getting a 200gm player.
    there are clear intervals:
    picks:
    1-2 89.4%
    3-4 80.5%
    5-6 72.1%
    7-10 63%
    —————————————- less than 1 in 2
    11-15 48.2%
    16-20 38%
    —————————————less than 1 in 3
    21-30 30%
    ————————————–less than 1 in 4
    31-40 22.5%
    ————————————— less than 1 in 5
    41-50 19.3%
    ————————————– less than 1 in 6
    51-60 17.9%
    61-70 17.6%
    71-80 16.3 %
    ————————————-less than 1 in 7
    81-90 14.3%

    2nd round 20%
    3rd round 16%
    4th round 10.25
    5th round 8.4%
    6th round 7.4%
    7th round 6.0%

    pendegast 2000-2007 11 picks 9do not consider JFJ @ 68 a 2nd
    Cummullitive Value 201.3%
    we he shouls get 2 players.
    Winchester
    Stoll
    Greene
    Petry
    there is no F…………… problem here

    1st Round
    MAp was 3 of 30 not to be 200gm player. 90% chance
    the other 9 picks cummulative are 313.8
    we should have got 4 players with the 10 picks.
    Hemsky
    Dubnyk
    Cogliano
    Gagner
    Nash??????????????

    TAMBO/SMB
    1st round non 1st:
    Eberle 32.4% 300gm
    MP 56.5% 226gm
    Klefbom 36.4% 23gm
    these are all NHL players

    2nd round
    Lander
    pitlick
    Marincin
    Hamilton
    Musil
    The cummulative is 109.3% (1 player)

    So far the Narative is BS.

    MacT/SMB
    RD1
    Nurse (7) 66.5% 2gm
    Draisatl (3) 82.6% 26gm

    Rd2
    Moroz 24.6%
    MOR 17.6%

    RD3
    Khaira 17.6%
    Yakimov 14.9% 1gm
    Slepyshev 13.7%

    come talk to me in 5 years post draft
    17-18; 18-19; 19-20

    1 asset left from 2000-2007
    which was above average in draft.
    the dumping of assets from this period is the problem.

  5. Caramel Obvious says:

    I think it is crazy to believe that the fans would have appreciated a complete mea culpa. The only thing that will satisfy the fans is blood. That’s it. Oh, and winning, but it is too late for that.

  6. stephen sheps says:

    RMGS,

    hahaha. This, all day long…
    I’d love to have a kid. But maybe finding someone to have a baby with is the first step. And that first step will also (hopefully) keep me from losing sleep over too many late night games 😉

  7. Gret99zky says:

    wunderbar:

    If the Oilers hired him to silence him and take his blog down so he stopped talking about the Oilers……

    So LT will never be hired by the Oilers?

    Sorry LT.

  8. "Frank The Dog" says:

    LMHF#1: He’s either under massive stress and responding badly, or revealing himself as an arrogant prick and suffering the consequences. Maybe both.

    MacT is a cancer survivor.

  9. Aitch says:

    Lowetide, I’m curious when you’re going to tie the defensive / powerplay issues back to Ramsay. When he was hired, you gushed a lot about these were the areas where Ramsay would make the most difference to the team. But instead, we’ve seen those two areas go backwards instead, despite an influx of “talent” in both areas.

  10. pboy says:

    So MacT had ZERO input into roster decisions during his time as Head Coach and can only be held accountable for his 20 months or so as GM? That’s interesting. Dallas Eakins has been here less than 2 seasons and he’s obviously had input in the acquisition of Will Acton, Ryan Hamilton, Mark Frasor, Keith Aulie and Ben Scrivens. So either MacT is completely full of shit or…………. Nope, just that 1 option for me.

  11. Caramel Obvious says:

    pboy:
    So MacT had ZERO input into roster decisions during his time as Head Coach and can only be held accountable for his 20 months or so as GM? That’s interesting. Dallas Eakins has been here less than 2 seasons and he’s obviously had input in the acquisition of Will Acton, Ryan Hamilton, Mark Frasor, Keith Aulie and Ben Scrivens. So either MacT is completely full of shit or…………. Nope, just that 1 option for me.

    See this is what it boils down to. Angry fan is incapable of distinguishing this group from the previous group and hence wants to blame this group for ten years of failure.

    the ability to distinguish this from that is a fundamental property of reason. Hence those who are incapable of distinction are irrational; their anger is fundamentally misplaced. It has no place in this conversation. Therapy might be the answer.

  12. Gret99zky says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    I’ve had the good fortune to work with a couple CEOs that I would describe as visionary and hugely effective, and then the more common experience which is mediocre, borderline incompetent, and/or largely ineffective.

    By my eye, the single biggest trait that separates the former from the latter is effective management excels at identifying and articulating solutions, while mediocre management can recognize the problems but struggle to articulate viable solutions.

    MacT is a man who recognizes the problems but is struggling to identify solutions. That makes him well intentioned. It does not make him effective, and it certainly does not make him a top performer in NHL mgmt ranks, which is what is required if you aspire to win the Cup.

    If he articulated even one winning solution in that presser ( i.e. An ‘aha’ moment!), the response to it would be positive. The fact he didnt / can’t seals his fate imo.

    He probably didn’t want the other struggling GM’s stealing his good ideas.
    😉

  13. rich says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    I think it is crazy to believe that the fans would have appreciated a complete mea culpa.The only thing that will satisfy the fans is blood.That’s it.Oh, and winning, but it is toolate for that.

    This is why it was not necessarily a wise thing to do a press conference – particularly if you’re going to come off as being defensive/defiant. Makes you look tone deaf.

    Better to wait until you really do have some news instead and then address things.

    Have not had a chance to see the full presser because it keeps cutting out at the 8 minute market (or a bouts) on the website. Can’t watch the TSN version from the states.

  14. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Bank Shot: MacT was part of that pro scouting group when he was coaching and came back to the org for awhile to serve in that capacity.

    After the 06-07 season Mact and all the rest of the management went scouting during the playoffs to come up with solutions.

    When talking about Penner Mact used “we” when talking about his acquisition.

    Lets not pretend that MacT has had zero influence on the management of the team roster during his tenure as coach. He didn’t like Brodziak and Penner and they were both dumped. Stoll and Torres were shown the door after run ins with him.

    He clearly had input all the way along.

    He’s been intimately tied up in the management of this team for years. To pretend that he just arrived on the season 18 months ago to clear up the mess is pure fantasy.

    You make some good points but iirc Brodziak was traded after Tambo “terminated” MacT, and Penner was only released in the 2010/2011 season between Tom Renney’s first and second years as coach.

  15. sliderule says:

    If past history portends oiler future moves here’s what will happen.

    Amateur scouting

    Two scenarios
    .Fire Stu and appoint someone in organization new head scout all else to remain as is.
    Fire a couple of regional scouts and say it’s fixed.

    Pro scouting
    As above but insert head of pro scouting.

    General manager
    Fire Howson and say it’s fixed because oilers

    Coach
    Look for a candidate that won’t threaten current top management.Oiler history always has to think about Sather and Bep..It’s best to have an incompetent to make you look good in comparison.

  16. jake70 says:

    I wonder how much MacT wanted to yell out – We’ve had really good deals worked out but every f&*cking player we want has us on their no trade list! They can’t even go there because it’s like a positive feedback loop, just makes it worse.

  17. "Frank The Dog" says:

    book¡je:
    Why can’t the media ask the hard questions about Nikitin and Marincin?

    i.e. Do their jobs.

    Because he said he’s not prepared to talk about individual players?

  18. Jon K says:

    Aitch:
    Lowetide, I’m curious when you’re going to tie the defensive / powerplay issues back to Ramsay. When he was hired, you gushed a lot about these were the areas where Ramsay would make the most difference to the team. But instead, we’ve seen those two areas go backwards instead, despite an influx of “talent” in both areas.

    The on-ice problems seem more to be execution issues, rather than coaching issues. As others have noted, the Oilers are fragile. At the beginning of games, they tend to execute well and maintain decent possession. One bad mistake, one bad goal, and they collapse. No puck support in transition, no fast shots or urgency on the powerplay.

    Obviously, there are other on-ice issues as well. The Oilers have a nice dichotomy in the player execution issues. The veterans are determined but incapable (Ference). The youth are capable but indifferent (Schultz, the core).

  19. Jon K says:

    “Frank The Dog”: Because he said he’s not prepared to talk about individual players?

    Funny, I’m pretty sure MacT said Eberle and Hall’s names when discussing issues with accountability. I am aware that he previously declined to mention individual players.

  20. hunter1909 says:

    Caramel Obvious: See this is what it boils down to. Angry fan is incapable of distinguishing this group from the previous group and hence wants to blame this group for ten years of failure.

    Of course. The fools who can’t see the difference between Lowe/Howson/MacT and Lowe/MacT/Howson all need therapy.

  21. hunter1909 says:

    I watched literally no more than 60 seconds of the MacT presser, deciding he wasn’t saying jack and had better things to do so clicked the mouse and then it was all over but the Lowetide comments. Btw, 95% of the posts are brilliant today. Best ever quality, congrats to the lot of you.

    Then I realized I was inadvertently using MacT’s own method – not bothering to get to the bottom of anything, just winging it all the time then not quite giving a shit whatever the result.

  22. Factotum says:

    rickithebear:

    So far the Narative is BS.

    1 asset left from 2000-2007
    which was above average in draft.
    the dumping of assets from this period is the problem.

    Applause. Nice takedown.
    Amazing how often a faulty narrative becomes accepted as a self-evident truth.

  23. Salt N Peca says:

    Jon K: The on-ice problems seem more to be execution issues, rather than coaching issues. As others have noted, the Oilers are fragile. At the beginning of games, they tend to execute well and maintain decent possession. One bad mistake, one bad goal, and they collapse. No puck support in transition, no fast shots or urgency on the powerplay.

    Doesn’t this boil down to their system, which is a coaching issue? There’s too much chaos in Eakins system, and more than often the players just look lost. How do they go from having one of the best power plays in the league not to long ago, to not even being able to keep the puck in the offensive zone?

    That all comes down to coaching.

  24. hunter1909 says:

    Here’s the kicker: Lowe/Howson/MacT probably all think they’re out of the woods for another month or more.

    Eakins knows better. He knows they’re still playing the Sharks in a home+home starting Sunday, followed by another home+home with Anaheim.

    From what little I saw, MacT looks terrible – at least 15 years older. Expect him to quit by the end of the season. Life is too short MacT. Get out while you still can. It’s simply not worth killing yourself just to be managing Katz+Lowe’s, ladylike Oilers show.

  25. Factotum says:

    ICYMI, fun read about Jultz by Sam Page over at SI today.

  26. hunter1909 says:

    Speaking of insane, I watched that Lowe “tier two fans” presser again. I invite anyone to watch this, totally focussing on Lowe throughout the entire presser. The man’s totally insane, drunk with hubris.

    Wtf? Everyone already knows this lol.

  27. Lloyd B. says:

    9,998,383,750,001,

    I’ve been having this same train of thought for a while. (Maybe not in quite so many words) It may very well be the deployment has been the best it can be. The issue is … limited options. Well done.

    EDIT.. It took longer to read than I expected. :))

  28. spoiler says:

    Friedman making a lot of sense on Bob’s show right now.

    Can’t do anything rash right now.

    PDO is on pace to be the worst since the Thrashers of 2000.

    Prospect development and scouting deserves to be looked at.

    Doesn’t think systems is the issue. Challenge for coaching is to get the younger players to execute and play consistent.

  29. hunter1909 says:

    spoiler: Challenge for coaching is to get the younger players to execute and play consistent.

    Which can be a problem. Particularly once the coach has proven himself to be a two faced, ass kissing martinet.

  30. spoiler says:

    I do feel bad for MacT having to face the media while suffering from a cold or a flu.

    #neverrainsitpours

  31. spoiler says:

    hunter1909: Which can be a problem. Particularly once the coach has proven himself to be a two faced, ass kissing martinet.

    LIfe is full of problems. So is hockey. If it wasn’t a team wouldn’t need coaches. You have some evidence of the two-faced, ass-kissing you would like to post?

    Edit: Please note, a Godot post is not considered to be evidence, lol.

  32. Jon K says:

    Salt N Peca,

    I don’t think there is a lot of chaos. The system is pretty standard. The two forechecker employment is a little aggressive but not unusual.

    I think a lot of it is not having veteran skill players to groom the young ones and straighten them out.

    The power play you’re referring to benefited from unsustainable percentages. Smart people in the blogosphere predicted a collapse at the time. We are seeing it. No arguing though, the pp is still subpar.

  33. Bobbin Roundlee says:

    spoiler:
    Friedman making a lot of sense on Bob’s show right now.

    Can’t do anything rash right now.

    All Stauffer did during the Friedman piece was defend MacT and the Oilers. What a shill. An example of how people can believe anything if they are paid to.

  34. Caramel Obvious says:

    hunter1909: Which can be a problem. Particularly once the coach has proven himself to be a two faced, ass kissing martinet.

    Of all the things that disgust me about the criticism of Eakins this is the worst. The mean-spirited, baseless, attacks on the character and person of someone whom, a) we don’t know at all, b) has carried himself with nothing but dignity through this whole chapter, and c) is a highly regarded and respected person by those who know him.

    It really is indicative of the kind of person you are, and that sociopath Godot, and all the rest whose criticisms have been based on this kind of resentful character attack born out of your own sufferings brought on by who knows what childhood trauma you suffered. It’s a psychological issue you have.

    I don’t know who did what to you when you were younger to make you this way. But I know it wasn’t Eakins.

  35. Pouzar says:

    Wow…..i knew they were overhauling player development but this FAST!

    KHL_Hockey ‏@KHL_hockey 39m39 minutes ago
    Neftekhimik 1-4 Avtomobilist. Alexei Mikhnov scored a hat-trick.

  36. Ice Sage says:

    if Craig MacTavish, he of the last lidless mane, tells us it’s all gonna be OK, then that’s pretty cool.

    These guys are all getting good money to manage / coach / scout / play the funnest game in the world so I say we should just chill, kick back with a few sodas and toast their good fortune.

  37. spoiler says:

    Bobbin Roundlee: All Stauffer did during the Friedman piece was defend MacT and the Oilers. What a shill. An example of how people can believe anything if they are paid to.

    What planet are you living on?

  38. Caramel Obvious says:

    Bobbin Roundlee: All Stauffer did during the Friedman piece was defend MacT and the Oilers. What a shill. An example of how people can believe anything if they are paid to.

    This is totally and completely unfair. Stauffer’s views on hockey have completely shifted over the past two years from just another mindless hockey reporter to someone who is open minded about thinking about hockey in an thoughtful and analytical way.

    It has nothing to do with being a shill. When Parkatti says similar things, no one calls him a shill. When lowetide says the same things, no one calls him a shill.

    This is what thoughtful people think. The problem with the media in this town isn’t that they are unafraid to challenge the Oilers. They are plenty who do that. Spector for example. It’s that they challenge the Oilers with terrible reasons. Again, see Spector.

    We don’t need the media to be antagonistic for the sake of being antagonistic, and we especially don’t need the media to be the voice of the fans (nothing could be worse), we need the media to be more like Stauffer. Calm and reasonable. Is that too much to ask?

    The media guys have a chance to show their true colours right now. We’ll see which cowards jump on the fan bandwagon of anger. That isn’t showing courage, that’s pandering to the masses.

    Courage is lowetide’s show today. Courage is Stauffer.

  39. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar:
    Wow…..i knew they were overhauling player development but this FAST!

    KHL_Hockey ‏@KHL_hockey39m39 minutes ago
    Neftekhimik 1-4 Avtomobilist. Alexei Mikhnov scored a hat-trick.

    No.

    That’s just the ex-Oiler curse working by proxy, by way of Yakupov and Yakimov’s old team.

  40. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Jon K: Funny, I’m pretty sure MacT said Eberle and Hall’s names when discussing issues with accountability. I am aware that he previously declined to mention individual players.

    you may be right, maybe I wasn’t listening hard enough. I only heard the other bit.

  41. spoiler says:

    I want to reference a point Bob made to Eltiotte on rash trade decisions.

    In 1989 The Leafs started the season 1-4-0, and had allowed 30 goals against. Floyd Smith, their GM had known they needed a stay-at-home Dman going into the season, much the same way MacT knew about the Center deficiency this summer. He tried to get Moller off Quebec but Moller went to the Rags for Petit.

    So under extreme pressure from the fanbase, Smith trades the 1991 1st rounder to the Devils for Tom Kurvers. Kurvers had been traded twice before, once for a 2nd, once for a 3rd. Kurvers provides immediate help and the Leafs finish the season at .500, getting the fans and the media off the back off the GM. They lose in the 1st round to the Blues, I think, but Big Smoke is excited about their team which had a ton of offense that year.

    The next year the Leafs start even worse and wait a minute, 1991 is the year Lindros is available and the Leafs are dead last and handing a generational player to the Devils for Tom feaking Kurvers. This forces them to make a deal with Quebec where they send Pearson and two 2nds for Deblois, Petit and Aaron Broten. They did this to make sure they would be better than the Nords the rest of the way so that the Devils wouldn’t get Lindros. Much to Eric’s chagrin.

    The Devils drafted third and took Scott NIedermayer. 4 cups, Conn Smythe winner, Norris winner, Hall of Fame. Arguably a more impactful player than even Lindros. And the Leafs are crippled for years from giving up three high picks.

    This is what happens when you trade from desperation.

  42. Bank Shot says:

    Caramel Obvious: Of all the things that disgust me about the criticism of Eakins this is the worst.The mean-spirited, baseless, attacks on the character and person of someone whom, a) we don’t know at all, b) has carried himself with nothing but dignity through this whole chapter, and c) is a highly regarded and respected person by those who know him.

    This coming from someone that throws around insults in every post.

    Are you Eakins?

  43. "Frank The Dog" says:

    spoiler:
    I do feel bad for MacT having to face the media while suffering from a cold or a flu.

    #neverrainsitpours

    MacT’s been gaunt ever since he overcame his illness. All this stress can’t help.

  44. stephen sheps says:

    spoiler,

    Thank you for that story about the leafs. Rational thought and not trading from a position of weakness, even in the face of a revolt from the fans is probably the right course of action.

  45. Minister D- says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    I agree to a point, but there is also a higher-order distinction to be made between distinctions that are merely rhetorical (i.e. sophistry) and those that have substance. Saying that this regime is different from the last in factual terms is a banality of the order that “yesterday is different from today.” Isn’t the more substantive distinction to be made evaluative, i.e. between experience/inexperience and competence/incompetence? And by that standard, wouldn’t this regime measure exactly like the last?

  46. Ben says:

    I like Eakins fine.

    What I think he maybe lacks as a rookie-coach hire is the credibility of having won in the NHL, and thus the authority to challenge and discipline players when warranted.

    Whatever happens the rest of the year, I hope Eakins goes with a shorter rope for young guys and veterans alike. Make a bad play or two? Okay. Make a few more? Sit down.

    I know he’s trying to keep the group loose amidst brutal circumstances, but the players simply MUST know that there’s a natural system of reward/punishment tied to their play.

    This needs to become a meritocracy if there’s any hope for improvement. I’m just not sure if Eakins has built up enough currency to administrate one.

  47. Halfwise says:

    MacT is accountable and it shows in his health. Frankly I was shocked by how he looked and sounded.

    I liked that he did not throw anyone under the bus. It’s not a bad thing to challenge Hall & Eberle to be better, and he did it reasonably constructively. There just isn’t anything nice to say about most of the underperformers this year.

    I liked that the core players are now “3”. Wouldn’t be surprised if by year-end it’s down to “2” or “no one is untouchable”.

    I was thinking of the Fantastic Four (Marvel Comics) and how each had a super-power. Our darkside equivalent is has a super-weakness that only manifests at important moments: Hall and his blue-line decisions, Eberle’s aversion to the tough going, Jultz’ monumental passivity, and (until this year) RNH’s physical limitations.

    This too shall pass. Either they learn, or they get moved or demoted because the team has better options emerging. My only bafflement is the amount of rope that Jultz gets.

  48. Lucinius says:

    Of the two men most under scrutiny (MacT and Eakins) I actually think MacT has done a much better job. His job is the one that takes longer to see pay-off. It is also the job wherein many of the failings are often mis-attributed.

    Everyone (including LT) have hammered at how MacT, essentially, screwed Eakins by giving him an unbalanced roster to start the season, especially at center. Yet, often lost in this, is the fact MacT has, for better and worse, gone out and heavily over-hauled the roster since taking over and has aggressively pursued various players to fill perceived holes. it is a well known fact that Edmonton is not only an undesirable location for FAs due to location (I like Edmonton, but if I were a millionaire athlete with a family? Edmonton is 30th in the NHL for destination of choice; it just is) and now even less desirable because the team is among the worst in the league on a consistent basis. This means the few players you can attract are likely to have several issues of their own and come with a hefty price tag in term and dollars.

    The idea that MacT could have signed one of the many centers out there last FA season is.. well, avoiding reality. Many of those centers are either doing poorly, have a history or issues, or would not come to Edmonton short of a contract that would have you all howling for MacT’s head on a platter.

    Eakins, however, has shown he is bad at his job. He is the Head Coach; meaning any and all coaching decisions inevitably lie on his head — not Ramsay, or any other assistant. That means the special teams? On Eakins. The defense? On Eakins. These two areas are areas that have cost the Oilers many games, even with shitty goal-tending.

    He is the one that decided to play Nikitin to start the season instead of Marincin/Klefbom, when Nikitin should have been IRed. That alone is a move of tremendous, blatant stupidity that it boggles the mind. Further, he is the one that decided to mangle the very purpose of the pre-season and used the first 3-5 games of the regular season as time to evaluate players. He is the one that has mis-used Marincin and Klefbom in terms of call ups, sending them down, sitting them in the press box, all while several defense-men were busy shitting the bed with such force and regularity that the team was swimming in crap regardless of how well the forward core was deployed to start the year.

    There is simply no excuse for how Eakins handled the powerplay, the defense or the roster he was given. If he was given marching orders on who to play he is still at fault for not having the backbone to call management on their bullshit and do what it takes to field the best team possible — keeping in mind that 26 games in the Oilers have yet to field the best team possible based on their 50-man roster!

    If he wasn’t given marching orders then his error is even more egregious because it means it lays completely on him.

    Dallas Eakins has proven he is not an NHL caliber coach; fullstop. He is bad at the job.

    Should he be fired now? I believe he should be, but one could make the case it should wait for the off-season so the Oilers can see who is actually available to replace him (several candidates may, like most NHL players, balk at the idea of coming to Edmonton — and rightly so, imo). Regardless, he has proven he is not the coach to take the Oilers into the future. He simply isn’t good enough.

  49. Stanley 2018 says:

    I just can’t understand his thinking. He doesn’t want to trade his core, he doesn’t want to trade his prospects, he doesn’t want to trade his draft picks.

    Like it or not, MacT has to pick one of 2 courses: Either tear it down and rebuild it with the obtained assets and the new up ‘n comers, or trade the draft picks and whatever assets you can spare and build around your core. Eberle can get you something good. Yakupov and a kicker can get you another one. Jultz can get you something, even if its not exactly what you had in mind. A top 3 OV draft choice can definitely get you something.

    But this philosophy of supporting your core group by getting more 18yr olds, when you admittedly have bad scouting and your player development is constantly being called into question, makes no sense at all. Adding McDavid or Eichel to this roster will not fix it. If they could, Draisaitl already would be.

  50. Adam Wu says:

    hunter1909: Which can be a problem. Particularly once the coach has proven himself to be a two faced, ass kissing martinet.

    This CROSSES THE LINE.

    Provide properly referenced citations to this alleged “two-faced ass kissing martinet-ness” or APOLOGIZE IMMEDIATELY.

  51. GCW_69 says:

    Adam Wu: This CROSSES THE LINE.

    Provide properly referenced citations to this alleged “two-faced ass kissing martinet-ness” or APOLOGIZE IMMEDIATELY.

    Well he talks accountability and does nothing, so that’s pretty much down the two faced road to me…

  52. Caramel Obvious says:

    Minister D-,

    True. Though what you ask for has been done many, many, times. We are past the stage of discussion here.

  53. Lowetide says:

    Aitch:
    Lowetide, I’m curious when you’re going to tie the defensive / powerplay issues back to Ramsay. When he was hired, you gushed a lot about these were the areas where Ramsay would make the most difference to the team. But instead, we’ve seen those two areas go backwards instead, despite an influx of “talent” in both areas.

    I think the answer is “26 games” but would certainly be open to other ideas. Ramsay’s reputation is incredible, NHL defenseman who have worked with him rave. So, we can shoot him, or wait and see. Again, open to ideas.

  54. Bag of Pucks says:

    Adam Wu: This CROSSES THE LINE.

    Provide properly referenced citations to this alleged “two-faced ass kissing martinet-ness” or APOLOGIZE IMMEDIATELY.

    You realize you can disagree with someone, but you have no authority to order anyone around, right?

  55. Soup Fascist says:

    Lowetide: I think the answer is “26 games” but would certainly be open to other ideas. Ramsay’s reputation is incredible, NHL defenseman who have worked with him rave. So, we can shoot him, or wait and see. Again, open to ideas.

    The Edmonton Oilers …….. sullying exceptional NHL reputations and resumes, since 2007.

    I SHOULD be in advertising.

  56. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: I think the answer is “26 games” but would certainly be open to other ideas. Ramsay’s reputation is incredible, NHL defenseman who have worked with him rave. So, we can shoot him, or wait and see. Again, open to ideas.

    Again, to me this is evidence that the issues are not coaching. Ramsay has a track record. That record is not being proven out by the Oiler defense. Execution and personnel are the likeliest reasons. Not to mention league-worst goaltending.

  57. Caramel Obvious says:

    Bag of Pucks: You realize you can disagree with someone, but you have no authority to order anyone around, right?

    Good grief.

  58. Bag of Pucks says:

    Agree with those saying MacT looks older and severely stressed. Feel for the man on that front.

    I used to work for and report directly to a business owner who was a billionaire with a capital B.

    Once every quarter, I would sit in the boardroom with him and the other execs and he would grill me on every aspect of my mktg plans and KPI results, often down to an extremely detailed level you would not expect of someone lacking specialized experience in this area.

    Those meetings were brutal. Gruelling to the nth degree. I literally didn’t sleep for days before and after. And I wasnt the only one. Every one hated and dreaded those quarterly summits.

    What was particularly hateful was knowing that if you cracked or showed a single sign of uncertainty or weakness, that was blood in the water for this man. In fact, I literally watched our CIO crack and commit career suicide once under the strain of the inquisition.

    Amazing what a difference it makes in performance when the owner is this personally involved in the results.

    MacT’s shakiness tells me the comfort zone is well and truly gone for him now. And I think the realization is setting in that he can’t turn this around in time to save himself.

    For that reason, I will hope for a much needed change in direction, but will also try to resist the urge to pile on as the old guard heads out the door. This has to be killing them inside.

  59. Oddspell says:

    Lowetide,

    I think that’s reasonable but if he’s the one handling deployment (I’m not really sure how in game duties are divided) then I think we have to look past his reputation.

  60. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide: I think the answer is “26 games” but would certainly be open to other ideas. Ramsay’s reputation is incredible, NHL defenseman who have worked with him rave. So, we can shoot him, or wait and see. Again, open to ideas.

    The problem is that when using the 1-3-1 is that the D man at the point needs to have a booming shot and some sort of defensive acumen. Oilers have put Schultz in that position. He is great at skating with the puck on the PP…and that is about it. He has no shot and defensively is lacking…big time…at best.

    Oilers have scored 10 goals on the PP and have allowed 5 Sh. Schultz is not good with that PP deployment. Neither is Nikitin and Hunt.

    Only player that should play the point on the 1-3-1 PP is Petry. Shot has been clocked at 100 mph and he has the defensive acumen needed for that deployment.

  61. Lowetide says:

    spoiler: Again, to me this is evidence that the issues are not coaching.Ramsay has a track record.That record is not being proven out by the Oiler defense.Execution and personnel are the likeliest reasons.Not to mention league-worst goaltending.

    Exactly. That’s why I’ve said multiple times that firing Eakins is crazy. If you hire builder and give him crappy lumber, why complain when the house is rickety?

  62. unca miltie says:

    I am an old guy, could never have the patience to read Bill James book which changed baseball. Certainly can see you analysts doing the same to hockey.
    I also hate where the Oilers are now, another season lost, if they stay the course, get a shot at Connor or Eichel. on the other hand win a few games and get a decent pick but not a great player. In fact, this morning, rather than listen to Mac T. I went to Camrose and watched some great curling.

    My take is the Oilers have turned the corner..3 road overtime losses in a row would be looked upon in a different light without the last 8 years and the 6 weeks prior to that. I doubt if they will get to my 83 points but they will not finish last either unless they really tank after the trade deadline. We all look at Pittsburg, Chicago, and even Detroit and envy their success. If there had been blogs when the Penguins went bankrupt or during the other two teams down years, I bet their comment sections would look ike this one. LT thank you again for a great balanced blog..

  63. cabbiesmacker says:

    Adam Wu: This CROSSES THE LINE.

    Provide properly referenced citations to this alleged “two-faced ass kissing martinet-ness” or APOLOGIZE IMMEDIATELY.

    Here here. I’m with ya bud.

    He should have said UNQUALIFIED, INEFFECTIVE, two-faced ass kissing martinet-ness

    I say we stone him immediately.

  64. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Halfwise:
    MacT is accountable and it shows in his health. Frankly I was shocked by how he looked and sounded.

    I liked that he did not throw anyone under the bus. It’s not a bad thing to challenge Hall & Eberle to be better, and he did it reasonably constructively. There just isn’t anything nice to say about most of the underperformers this year.

    I liked that the core players are now “3”. Wouldn’t be surprised if by year-end it’s down to “2” or “no one is untouchable”.

    I was thinking of the Fantastic Four (Marvel Comics) and how each had a super-power. Our darkside equivalent is has a super-weakness that only manifests at important moments: Hall and his blue-line decisions, Eberle’s aversion to the tough going, Jultz’ monumental passivity, and (until this year) RNH’s physical limitations.

    This too shall pass. Either they learn, or they get moved or demoted because the team has better options emerging. My only bafflement is the amount of rope that Jultz gets.

    You know that Eberle has hand and shoulder injuries, right? (from a report of him having bandages on his hand and shoulder).
    Then we have Nikitin with his unhealed foot, Perron with his recovery from the off-season hip surgery where he has shots before and after every game, and we wonder why we can’t score.

  65. Yeti says:

    Lowetide: Exactly. That’s why I’ve said multiple times that firing Eakins is crazy. If you hire builder and give him crappy lumber, why complain when the house is rickety?

    Crappy lumber? Are you taking a shot at Woodguy here? 😉

    In any case, you still hope the builder will make the best use of the materials, even if they are not high quality. That may not be the case here. To be certain, perhaps you fire the builder and the person in charge of materials procurement?

  66. hockeyguy10 says:

    Soup Fascist:
    GotUkulele,

    Two different shows.One was a Toronto based / very creepy show hosted by whatmay well have been a pedophile with a British accent and scary ass birthday clown.That was Uncle Bobby.

    Popcorn Playhouse was a local kids show hosted by the CTV weather guy.Pretty hilarious stuff if I can remember back.A talking moose head mounted on the wall and live interviews with 6-year old kids with no filters or 7 second delays. Pretty sure led to some tense moments with producers as well as parents in the ‘Green Room” – caused a few divorces.

    Klondike Eric (Host):Hey Billy, what does your dad do?

    Billy:He is a trucker and is gone a lot.

    Host:Oh, you must miss him.

    Billy: Not really, Mommy’s friend Dave sleeps over whenever he leaves.

    Infinitely more entertaining than Oilers’ games.F@c% I am old.

    I was on that show when I was a kid. On of my childhood friend’s had a father who worked at CFRN.If you were lucky enough to sit in the right seat in the bleachers you got to dig for gold or try one of the other “skill” games.I was on the show 3 times and got to dig gold etc all 3 times. I always wondered why we were let in early and told were to sit……Popcorn Playhouse was rigged…..

  67. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Agree with those saying MacT looks older and severely stressed. Feel for the man on that front.

    I used to work for and report directly to a business owner who was a billionaire with a capital B.

    Once every quarter, I would sit in the boardroom with him and the other execs and he would grill me on every aspect of my mktg plans and KPI results, often down to an extremely detailed level you would not expect of someone lacking specialized experience in this area.

    Those meetings were brutal. Gruelling to the nth degree. I literally didn’t sleep for days before and after. And I wasnt the only one. Every one hated and dreaded those quarterly summits.

    What was particularly hateful was knowing that if you cracked or showed a single sign of uncertainty or weakness, that was blood in the water for this man. In fact, I literally watched our CIO crack and commit career suicide once under the strain of the inquisition.

    Amazing what a difference it makes in performance when the owner is this personally involved in the results.

    MacT’s shakiness tells me the comfort zone is well and truly gone for him now. And I think the realization is setting in that he can’t turn this around in time to save himself.

    For that reason, I will hope for a much needed change in direction, but will also try to resist the urge to pile on as the old guard heads out the door. This has to be killing them inside.

    I agree with you in a way, because I saw that far off look in his eyes when he stated his mantra of doing everything in the long term interests of the team. One can only imagine the pressure he must be under to pull rabbits out of a hat.
    But I also get the feeling that the unwelcome fact of excessive owner interference in coaching decisions may also be surfacing. Now THAT’s the problem that refuses to be solved, and I suspect that MacT will sacrifice himself on the altar of the long term interests of this team.
    I’ve always had time for this man, always will. How bad is it if the problem all along has been owner interference in hockey decisions?

  68. Pouzar says:

    James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 32m32 minutes ago
    Players are paid in rubles over there, so they’ve lost roughly 35% of the value of their contracts already. This threatens KHL in a big way.

    James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 29m29 minutes ago
    NHL free agency is going to be extremely thin this summer but teams can look forward to raiding KHL like never before. Putin’s dream dying.

  69. Lowetide says:

    unca miltie:
    I am an old guy, could never have the patience to read Bill James book which changed baseball. Certainly can see you analysts doing the same to hockey.I also hate where the Oilers are now, another season lost, if they stay the course, get a shot at Connor or Eichel. on the other hand win a few games and get a decent pick but not a great player. In fact, this morning, rather than listen to Mac T. I went to Camrose and watched some great curling.

    My take is the Oilers have turned the corner..3 road overtime losses in a row would be looked upon in a different light without the last 8 years and the 6 weeks prior to that. I doubt if they will get to my 83 points but they will not finish last either unless they really tank after the trade deadline. We all look at Pittsburg, Chicago, and even Detroit and envy their success. If there had been blogs when the Penguins went bankrupt or during the other two teams down years, I bet their comment sections would look ike this one.LTthank you again for a great balanced blog..

    And thanks for popping in. Great post.

  70. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Yeti: In any case, you still hope the builder will make the best use of the materials, even if they are not high quality.

    Ralph Krueger and Tom Renney say hello.

  71. hunter1909 says:

    Eakins hasn’t even got the ability to smile. This is a rare personality to coach young impressionable players.

    Eakins roared into town talking the talk, then promotes plugger Ference to the captaincy, presumably because he likes his bike work.

    Eakins boasted he couldn’t be bothered to prepare for the team, not worrying about watching them on tape.

    Eakins imposes rigid systems that not only fail spectacularly, but make the young Oilers team look like morons in the process. The internet is full of still images, with 5 players behind the goal with a shooter in the slot etc.

    1st overall pick Nail Yakupov’s almost guaranteed to leave the team? Justin Schultz goes from interesting offensive defencemen into a shambling wreck? Taylor Hall’s gone from dangerous player on every rush, almost a Bobby Hull lite into a surly, disinterested systems player who now shoots the puck behind the net before turning around 180 to head for the bench? Jordan Eberle’s going from an incredible sublime talent, into a soft, semi-ineffective player?

    Eakins by any metric should have been fired today. I suppose it’s my fault, since I’m a fan with a bad attitude, right?

    Kevin Lowe by my Irish eye has lost the plot, and in a big way. He’s always been lecturing the fans, and being arrogant. Driving away players like Souray. Making INSANE demands to Comrie, losing Corey Perry in the process. But I get the agenda; keep shuffling the management chairs around and declaring arbitrary timelines, secure in the belief there are enough suckers out there to believe this horseshit. Trouble is, 90% of the fans no longer believe anything management says, and today’s Lowetide proves it. Of course there will always be a few who will forever remain too ignorant to understand such concepts.

  72. v4ance says:

    For accountability, I wonder how much would have changed if Hall was given the C at the start of this year and told that the team was his to lead, good or bad. Would there be as many execution and coverage errors from Eberle and Jultz if their best buddy, Hall was riding them instead of Ference?

    James Mirtle ‏@mirtle
    Tough times in Russia and the KHL. The ruble is tanking hard right now, to an exceptionally low number. Players are paid in rubles over there, so they’ve lost roughly 35% of the value of their contracts already. This threatens KHL in a big way.

    NHL free agency is going to be extremely thin this summer but teams can look forward to raiding KHL like never before. Putin’s dream dying.

    You also have to expect Slepyshev, Horak, etc will be looking to pull their parachutes out of the KHL to drop into the AHL/NHL to stabilize their finances. Teams like the Oilers who went against the grain and selected more Russians in recent drafts stand to gain the most.

  73. OilClog says:

    every GM makes mistakes in UFA and trades, it’s the man running the troops that needs to figure it out for the creation of a GM’s legacy.

    Eakins has holes on his roster, Calgary, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Toronto.. Ect ect.. All have holes in their line ups.

    Coaches, every coach figures out a way to deal with this if they hope to keep their gig. For example, against Winnipeg, what was it Eakins did to win the game.. It was the mistakes made by the bench guys that costed the team the win.

    This is the story, everytime. Eakins mishandled preseason, refuses to ice the best defencemen available, tears apart their 4th line, has no constant player management when accountability comes into play. Players are clearly tiered within their own ranks, and their suppose to be a team.

    In Calgary, does it look like there is a hierarchy within the players?

    Who created the hierarchy, the head coach. They don’t play as a team, because Eakins doesn’t put them in that position. Yes, every player must be treated different as their personalities demand, but! The team is the most important personality, the only one that truly matters at the end of the day. If the coach can’t figure out the basics, this will not end.

    Eakins can’t learn how to be a NHL Headcoach on the fly, these lessons can’t be done in this market at this time, it’s not right or fair.

    Just like a veteran coach Ramsay was brought in for the defence a veteran coach needs to be brought into this situation. You can’t run rookie coaches and players together as one. This isn’t the miracle hockey league.

  74. rickithebear says:

    pboy:
    So MacT had ZERO input into roster decisions during his time as Head Coach and can only be held accountable for his 20 months or so as GM? That’s interesting. Dallas Eakins has been here less than 2 seasons and he’s obviously had input in the acquisition of Will Acton, Ryan Hamilton, Mark Frasor, Keith Aulie and Ben Scrivens. So either MacT is completely full of shit or…………. Nope, just that 1 option for me.

    Aulie was a request from Pro Scouting!
    our best evga/60 D was apro scouting request.

    i areally get pissed by the HF boards standard of comments that are showing up here.

    X sucks
    y sucks
    Blah!
    Blah!

    Give some firetrucking proof!

    you best get top 6 players from 1st round.
    1996 to 2007 got us
    Hemsky (01)
    Cogliano (05)
    Gagner (07)
    it wasall about euro walkabout!

    I like to look at a players WOWY to see if players are better with or without.
    Nilsson-Gagner-Cogliano

    as it turns out during the 3 seasons together.
    nilsson 77% 30/39 were better with
    Cogliano 32/41 78% were better with
    Gagner 17/39 44% were better with

    Nilsson-XXX-Cogliano

    Fuck me the Tambo purge
    Nillson-XXX-Cogliano
    Glencross-Brodziak-XXX

    it was at this point Oilers decided to seek top 6 players.

    08-09 I would have been Happy with

    Penner-Horcoff-hemsky
    Nilsson-Stoll-Cogliano
    Glencross-Brodziak-XXX
    XXX-Gagner-Pisani This pair just killed the op.

    Souray-Gilbert
    Grebeshkov-Smid
    XXX-Greene
    Peckham

    Souray; Smid; Greene were Box protection Heaven!

    Rolosson
    Garon

  75. McSorley33 says:

    Pouzar:
    James Mirtle ‏@mirtle32m32 minutes ago
    Players are paid in rubles over there, so they’ve lost roughly 35% of the value of their contracts already. This threatens KHL in a big way.

    James Mirtle ‏@mirtle29m29 minutes ago
    NHL free agency is going to be extremely thin this summer but teams can look forward to raiding KHL like never before. Putin’s dream dying.

    Great post….thanks.

  76. godot10 says:

    I am slowly becoming apathetic. Last year I was just angry when, when it was obvious that the coach was a horrible coach, and the rebuild was essentially effed because of the coaching change (even though MacT had done enough good things relative to bad things otherwise). His stubbornness on an inexperienced incompetent coach will doom him. One has to be able to admit a mistake quickly.

    There was a lot of revisionist history in that press conference. Which is either a lack of accountability and/or a lot of denial still going on.

    For Nicholson’s sake, it would be useful for Ramsey to coach the rest of the year, so he could get another perspective on the existing players.

    This team really isn’t going anywhere if Lowe/Mact/Eakins stay around. I sort of think their credibility as even marginally competent hockey people has finally been destroyed universally.

    The hockey “world” is watching now. Katz and Nicholson have to “reset” the team.

    A lot of bad things can happen without a “reset”.

    1) Draft picks will refuse to sign contracts (more Rieder’s). I think it could well start with this years first rounder. Eichel and Hanifan have an easy escape route by just staying in college one more year.
    2) Petry will likely not re-sign.
    3) Yakupov and Marincin will both likely consider 1-year KHL contracts.
    4) The seats at Rexall may be paid for, but there are going to be a lot of empty seats.
    5) Perron and Gordon will be in the last year of their contracts.

    Katz has to realize that the current fiasco, if not “reset”, is likely to blowback on him, if he does not clean house. The “reset” has to happen soon.

  77. Caramel Obvious says:

    “Frank The Dog”: Ralph Krueger and Tom Renney say hello.

    This narrative has got to die. The Renney–Krueger teams were excruciating to watch. Easily the worst hockey teams I have personally watched.

    It’s incredible the dissonance on this point. I can accept that some don’t that this is a good, or even, average team. There record is what there record is. I can’t accept that people can’t acknowledge that those were horrible teams whose real quality was masked by good luck. I watched those teams. They were terrible, terrible, terrible, teams that were dominated night after night. Anything that says otherwise is revisionist history. It was obvious at the time and it is obvious now. This team is playing better than those teams. There is no getting away from that.

  78. spoiler says:

    godot10: For Nicholson’s sake, it would be useful for Ramsey to coach the rest of the year, so he could get another perspective on the existing players.

    Newsflash: Ramsay will be coaching the rest of the year. And I am sure his perspective is available to anyone in management who wants it, already.

  79. godot10 says:

    Pouzar:
    James Mirtle ‏@mirtle32m32 minutes ago
    Players are paid in rubles over there, so they’ve lost roughly 35% of the value of their contracts already. This threatens KHL in a big way.

    James Mirtle ‏@mirtle29m29 minutes ago
    NHL free agency is going to be extremely thin this summer but teams can look forward to raiding KHL like never before. Putin’s dream dying.

    It is relatively easy for wealthy people to hedge foreign currency risk. And in there is a Finnish and Slovakian team. The Slovakian and Finnish team probably pay in euros. There is also a Latvian team (Latvia is in NATO).

  80. spoiler says:

    OilClog: Coaches, every coach figures out a way to deal with this if they hope to keep their gig. For example, against Winnipeg, what was it Eakins did to win the game.. It was the mistakes made by the bench guys that costed the team the win.

    I don’t think there’s anything indefensible in his deployment in OT.

    It’s 4 on 4, so more space on the ice, and your team is desperate for a win. I don’t know a better situation for Schultz. And in deploying him, he played his vet LH Dman beside him and his best river-pushing forwards. I think 30 out of 30 coaches make the same call in the same situation.

  81. Caramel Obvious says:

    OilClog,

    Another post filled with falsehoods. For instance, Klefbom played 24 minutes in Winnipeg. Schultz 16. From your post you would think the opposite.

  82. Pouzar says:

    McSorley33: Great post….thanks.

    ???

    I put tweets in from time to time. Or should I spew vitriol that hasn’t already?

  83. knighttown says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy,

    No arguments on the assessment of his current value i.e. low.

    Just not yet willing to pull the chute on him as a player.I’m not convinced the Jultz Book is yet fully written.

    Agreed, more time would be nice but that contract status is killer. Unless he turns it around NOW they can’t qualify him at 3.65. MacT would be fired. And if they don’t qualify him he’s UFA and would be gone. It’s sort of the gags situation all over again.

    I think time is the major reason you are seeing this insane usage of Schultz. It feels like we have forever since he’s an RFA. Bench him, reduce his TOI, or package him in a deal. The reality is that they need to decide if there’s any way they (or any other team) can justify him at nearly 4/yr.

    If he was signed at 2×3 they at least could look at developing him properly in the next year and a half before decision time.

  84. spoiler says:

    godot10: It is relatively easy for wealthy people to hedge foreign currency risk

    It actually isn’t when a country has been cut off from capital markets the way Russia has. And if some players are being paid in Euros, that’s killer on a team that is getting its gate in Rubles. Which could mean league shrinkage and less jobs.

  85. Caramel Obvious says:

    spoiler: I don’t think there’s anything indefensible in his deployment in OT.

    It’s 4 on 4, so more space on the ice, and your team is desperate for a win.I don’t know a better situation for Schultz.And in deploying him, he played his vet LH Dman beside him and his best river-pushing forwards.I think 30 out of 30 coaches make the same call in the same situation.

    Thank you. The myopia in the rush to criticize would be astonishing if it weren’t so commonplace. It’s so clear they are criticizing the result and not the decision. Outcome is bad, look for reason to blame the coach. Repeat

  86. 9,998,383,750,001 says:

    Gret99zky
    If he articulated even one winning solution in that presser ( i.e. An ‘aha’ moment!), the response to it would be positive. The fact he didnt / can’t seals his fate imo.

    I couldn’t track back to the comment quoted, so I’m responding indirectly.

    This smacks of what Bruce described not long ago as starting with the conclusion (in this case it’s “fire MacT”) and then arguing back to the question.

    The hockey world is not an open-ended environment like a private sector business. Some teams can draft badly and still attract free agents at cap-compatible salaries (New York, Los Angeles). Other teams can’t.

    MacT said the magic words over and over again: “from within”. He articulated the magic solution: better processes in the scouting department from top to bottom. Not only that, he’s says this part of the organization has gone through wrenching change already during his short tenure (implying that this was in good measure at his own instigation). He further stated that accountability for this begins with the next draft, as they haven’t had many 2nd and 3rd rounders over the last two years on which to evaluate these changes (which might not have been in full effect in any case). He also stated that increased investment in the player development side of the house is already bearing fruit at the lower levels. Whether that translates to the NHL remains to be seen.

    Third, he stated that his initial diagnosis was that the team lacked competitive urgency out there on the ice. It appears to me that almost every player he’s brought into the organization has been a plus competitor (even Ference, who now lacks some tools on the ice). Clearly he thought this influence would penetrate into our core group quicker than it has.

    But, on the viewpoint expressed, we’ll know the saviour when we hear him, because he’ll articulate some magic beans that no-one else can see.

    The entire reason I find professional sports fascinating (hockey flavour only) is unlike the real world, it is a microcosm where magic solutions don’t exist (the kinds of loopholes we had back in the eighties are now few and far between). This fishbowl insularity makes it possible to triangulate the human drama in a way one can never do in the business sector. In the business sector, entire companies are turned around on a new service or product that manages to hit the market under just the right conditions.

    If you think the NSA spied on the KGB, it’s nothing compared to the way the thirty NHL teams film each other’s on ice performance. Over the past two seasons, MacT has sent some fifteen players who know all our secrets from the dressing room off to play for other teams, mostly operating in the same league no less.

    Why don’t we just bring in Lee Iacocca and see how that goes?

    Iacocca joined Chrysler and began rebuilding the entire company from the ground up, laying off many workers, selling the loss-making Chrysler Europe division to Peugeot, and bringing in many former associates from his former company.

    Iacocca arrived shortly after Chrysler’s introduction of the subcompact Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon. Bearing a strong resemblance to the Volkswagen Rabbit, the front-wheel drive Omni and Horizon became instant hits, selling over 300,000 units each in their debut year, showing what was to come for Chrysler.

    These knock-off Rabbits were less than total wondercars, yet apparently they sold like hotcakes:

    The HVAC controls were mounted to the left of the steering wheel rather than in the center stack like in most vehicles, meaning only the driver could adjust the interior temperature.

    Why did Iacocca import his own cronies? Because established working relations are a huge asset in the business setting. Because a management team put together on an international talent search, no matter how superior they are individually, rarely perform well as a group if they hardly know each other’s first name—and the process of really getting to know each other takes years (I probably read this first in Drucker).

    Far from being a bad thing, a certain amount of cronyism within a management team is indispensable to efficient execution.

    I say hire the first solid GM who articulates a solution better than the one we’re already pursuing, if we all really believe deep down it’s not just the same old solution dressed up in new clothes.

    If our triplicate tank job had procured Hall, Nuge, and a generational talent (one who didn’t need a prompt shoulder surgery) we might have managed to make it over the standard rebuild bar despite our lamentable draft record and paltry pantry. But it didn’t work out that way.

    Personally, I’m having trouble visualizing this Rabbit-clone out of the tuxedo trick against which you have judged MacT’s certain demise.

    Perhaps you think there’s some horse trader out there who could swap Hall, Nuge, and Eberle in three separate trades and win all three and that Katz should hand the entire bankroll to a high roller, cross his fingers, and hope for the best. It could work. We even used to have such a guy.

    In 2000, Sather joined the Rangers to become their president and general manager, a position he currently still holds. He hired Bryan Trottier as head coach in 2002. The former Islander great, hated by Ranger fans, was hired, and then fired 54 games into the 2002–2003 season. This was preceded by his hiring of Ron Low as coach in 2003, who also proved to be a failure. Both times Sather was forced to take over as head coach; his record as Rangers coach was 33–39–11–7 over 90 games. That pushed his NHL career win total to 497, 19th all-time.

    Some good, young players were also drafted during his tenure as the Rangers general manager, such as Henrik Lundqvist, Brandon Dubinsky, Ryan Callahan, Marc Staal, Derek Stepan, Chris Kreider, and Carl Hagelin. The team greatly improved after the [2004–05] lockout under Renney, making the Stanley Cup playoffs four consecutive years. After the Rangers lost in the second round of the 2007 and 2008 playoffs and were struggling to make the playoffs in 2009, Sather fired Renney and replaced him with John Tortorella.

    Eight years and six coaches (Muckler, Trottier, Sather, Low, Renney, Tortorella). Sound familiar? Perhaps the only real difference—apart from the inestimably greater appeal of the Big Apple to free agents—is his stronger draft record.

    Mainly MacT is on trial right now for not doing more over the summer to procure balance. His defense on that count is that the holes on the roster—though greatly reduced—continue to outnumber the coins in his coin purse. He probably had enough loose change to fill one major hole. If we were only one piece shy of becoming competitive, there would have been no excuse for his not doing so. When you remain three or four pieces shy of being competitive, one can viably argue for gritting your teeth and gutting out growth from within.

    In the mind of the fan things are much simpler. In the mind of the common fan, you’re just one piece from being one piece away from being one piece away. What the hell are you waiting for?

    What he’s waiting for is the best possible deal across the entire panoply of team need. If we can’t execute anyway, what’s the rush? Is there some miraculous score effect on execution, where replacing Arcobello with an established 2C who drives the river improves execution on every other line and defensive pairing? Is execution an individual matter or a function of the team collective? If the collectivist view is the right one, then the argument for procuring a solid 2C last summer is unassailable, and MacT should now be terminated immediately. I’m with you on that point, comrade.

  87. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar:
    James Mirtle ‏@mirtle32m32 minutes ago
    Players are paid in rubles over there, so they’ve lost roughly 35% of the value of their contracts already. This threatens KHL in a big way.

    James Mirtle ‏@mirtle29m29 minutes ago
    NHL free agency is going to be extremely thin this summer but teams can look forward to raiding KHL like never before. Putin’s dream dying.

    The economics say so, but I’m not sure that were I a Russian-born player I’d want to cross Putin.

    Have you ever read about how he walked off with Robert Kraft’s Super Bowl ring? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/wp/2013/06/16/vladimir-putin-denies-stealing-superbowl-ring/

    Some people don’t take no for an answer. Others don’t even let you think it.

  88. RexLibris says:

    spoiler: It actually isn’t when a country has been cut off from capital markets the way Russia has.And if some players are being paid in Euros, that’s killer on a team that is getting its gate in Rubles.Which could mean league shrinkage and less jobs.

    Sounds like the NHL in 1996.

    Does this not make the Baltic and Nordic teams the heavyweights in negotiations now?

  89. godot10 says:

    spoiler: It actually isn’t when a country has been cut off from capital markets the way Russia has.And if the players are being paid in Euros, that’s killer on a team that is getting its gate in Rubles.Which could mean league shrinkage and less jobs.

    The ruble is traded openly on the foreign exchange markets. Putin actually has been quite determined to let it keep trading freely. Only sanctioned entities have been cut off from the Western banking and trading systems.

    That, and one might be able to execute that hedge with a Russian, or a Chinese, or Indian, or Brazilian bank.

  90. stephen sheps says:

    LT, thanks for the space to comment in such a sane way. Someone earlier mentioned how strong so many of the posts have been today and it’s very true. We’re all wound a little tighter than usual because of our intense, emotional and passionate connection to our city and the team we love and how disappointing this season has been. It’s days like today that remind me why I am an Oilers fan – not because of the team but because what the team inspires in all of us, especially in dark times.

    Not that anyone cares, but I reposted and added to my earlier long rant at my home blog, including my own personal story of my childhood encounters with Craig MacTavish. I don’t write there very much anymore (as I should be doing my real writing) but here it is, should anyone want to take a look: http://bringingbacktheglory.blogspot.ca/2014/12/maccountability.html

  91. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Renney’s and Krueger’s and MacT’s teams won a higher % of games than Eakins is winning right now. If the clock stops right now the record will say that the former were better coaches than the latter. If Eakins had a better win% none of us would be as pissed off as we are right now.
    I’d suggest that saying a coach whose teams have a losing record is a better coach than those that have winning records is hard to defend.

    I don’t believe in luck when it comes to sh%. Gord doesn’t care whether a puck goes in or not. Whether a puck hits the back of the twine or not is subject to a number of unmeasured variables. The best systems get the optimum combination of shots on net and sh%. Just because we can’t model all of those variables, doesn’t mean they don’t exist nor that they can’t be taken advantage of by a system that adapts itself to the players’ skill sets.

    Krueger has a way of getting teams to play above themselves. Witness all of his championship teams right up to the Swiss Olympic team that beat Canada.

    Can we just agree to differ?

  92. OilClog says:

    I don’t believe I made mention of Schultz. Unlike MacT I didn’t make specific player mention.

    But Klef, Petry should of started OT. End story.

    Ference should of had his ass stapled to the bench, but you know accountability.

    Justin Schultz did not deserve to start OT. Justin Schultz is not bringing the production needed, the kid can’t even make a stick check.

    A veteran coach would not play Justin Schultz to start OT. He wouldn’t.

  93. Caramel Obvious says:

    OilClog:
    I don’t believe I made mention of Schultz. Unlike MacT I didn’t make specific player mention.

    But Klef, Petry should of started OT. End story.

    Ference should of had his ass stapled to the bench, but you know accountability.

    Justin Schultz did not deserve to start OT. Justin Schultz is not bringing the production needed, the kid can’t even make a stick check.

    A veteran coach would not play Justin Schultz to start OT. He wouldn’t.

    And as Spoiler pointed out, putting Schultz on the ice 4-on-4 is a very defensible decision. Indeed, under other circumstances it would be called putting a player in position to succeed. You know, that other things Eakins is accused of never doing.

    And the idea that it was a terrible idea “to start” overtime with him is pretty silly, as if there is something magical about starting overtime.

  94. OilClog says:

    Justin Shultz actually does all the things everyone seemed to dog Hemsky about.. It’s funny. Hemsky was one of the best we’ve ever had going into the dirty areas, yet certain types dogged and dogged him.

    A Jultz skate back to the bench makes Hemsky look like he was super man leaping back to the bench.

    Why is the msm not running his name into the ground?

  95. Pouzar says:

    Mike Santorelli. Jezzuz. There was a buy-low guy right there that I wanted.

    Playin the toughs with a +4.3 Corsi Rel and 18 pts (2.64 P/60)

    Gotta give the Leafs some credit. They take flyers on guys and sometimes it pays off (i.e. Raymond).

  96. McSorley33 says:

    Pouzar: ???

    I put tweets in from time to time. Or should I spew vitriol that hasn’t already?

    Pouzar – that was a genuine thank you.

    I was aware of the crashing ruble but I never connected the dots to the KHL.

  97. OilClog says:

    Caramel Obvious: And as Spoiler pointed out, putting Schultz on the ice 4-on-4 is a very defensible decision.Indeed, under other circumstances it would be called putting a player in position to succeed.You know, that other things Eakins is accused of never doing.

    And the idea that it was a terrible idea “to start” overtime with him is pretty silly, as if there is something magical about starting overtime.

    When your team just gave up the tying goal minutes before and you have zero momentum you don’t ice the guy most likely to be scored on.

    Yes, put the players in position to succeed. I beg you! But as a coach if you can’t figure out that maybe putting Schultz out on a line change for a odd man break wouldn’t be a better thing I dunno. Klef, earned the right to start OT, he was the better player. Yet he was on the bench, why didn’t Eakins put Klef in a position to succeed there?

  98. Yeti says:

    “Frank The Dog”,

    I’d hire Renney back in a heartbeat.

  99. spoiler says:

    godot10: The ruble is traded openly on the foreign exchange markets. Putin actually has been quite determined to let it keep trading freely. Only sanctioned entities have been cut off from the Western banking and trading systems.

    The ruble trading openly on FX markets does little to help a millionaire looking to hedge his currency risk today. The saving leg of the hedge would have to be in place before the currency made its big moves. 35% down is already too late. And if you are thinking of a simple hedge like buying Euros, despite the fact today you would be starting from a massive loss, there are transaction and arbitrage and exit strategy costs to take into account even if you were early to the game.

    Not to mention the inherent risk of the fragile European banking system, gorged as it is on shaky government bond portfolios, thanks to their central planners.

    Just the threat of existing, and thus possible further sanctions, immobilizes capital. Put it off shore like Cyprus, only to see it disappear? Those guys are really happy they hedged in Euros. And some of those entities of which you speak are the very conduits through which capital would move.

    And using Brazil, India or China to execute your hedge is increasing your currency risk not hedging it.

    It is nowhere as easy for a rich Russkie right now as you make it.

  100. spoiler says:

    OilClog: Ference should of had his ass stapled to the bench, but you know accountability.

    Yeah with only two left-shooting defensemen left in the game, you would bench one of them. Lol.

  101. iwin76 says:

    Lowetide: Exactly. That’s why I’ve said multiple times that firing Eakins is crazy. If you hirebuilder and give him crappy lumber, why complain when the house is rickety?

    What if only half the lumber is crappy, but your builder decides to use the worst lumber for the framing then makes a coffee table out of the really good stuff? Still no complaint?

  102. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: Does this not make the Baltic and Nordic teams the heavyweights in negotiations now?

    That is very likely. I imagine the KHL is a gate-driven league and getting your gate in Euros has to be a massive advantage. Travel, attracting players, etc.

  103. Bag of Pucks says:

    “In reply to 998……..etc”

    Going into the season after acquiring Fayne, Nikitin and Aulie, MacT expressed the notion that the team now had a legitimate NHL defense.

    The actual performance of that D vs projected performance speaks to a huge disconnect btw problem identification and solution appraisal / efficacy with this mgr.

    The key problem that MacT articulated with the team today is the inconsistent effort and performance of the individual talent impeding the collective result.

    And to be exceedingly clear, he presented NO definable solution to that problem beyond wait, hope and pray.

    As always, he articulated many potential contributing factors to this problem (coaching turnover, slower than expected development curve, lack of depth) but no substantive solution. In fact, he expressed frustration that consistent messaging from multiple coaches is not having the expected impact. That’s right, the GM of this club confirmed today his displeasure that they’re trying the same things over and over and it’s not working!

    The verbal you’ve offered on his behalf / defence are more aptly described as excuses not solutions.

    You’ll recognize intelligent solutions when you hear them as they’re typically offered with calm confidence and they typically have the impact of rallying support and consensus.

    As an example, one obvious and overdue solution is to manage ice time to encourage a true meritocracy. Unfortunately this org will never admit to that failing and thus the clear and present solution will always elude them.

  104. godot10 says:

    One can buy a Ruble/US Dollar futures contract on the CME (you know, in Chicago).

    http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/fx/emerging-market/russian-ruble_contract_specifications.html

    Hedging is easy.

    If I’m offered a contract for 10 million rubles, I can go to a bank trader and hedge that at the current exchange rate on the futures contract one year out, when I have to deliver the rubles.

    It might be even easier. There might be a ruble/dollar ETF which one can buy or short.

    The problem is not currency risk. The problem is that the KHL salary for a Russian teams team won’t be as good next year because of the rubles collapse, but anyone signing this year is sure to hedge. You can lock in what you are getting by hedging.

    Last summer, any player with a decent financiai advisor would have hedged, and not lost anything, since the Ukrainian standoff had already begun.

  105. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide: Exactly. That’s why I’ve said multiple times that firing Eakins is crazy. If you hirebuilder and give him crappy lumber, why complain when the house is rickety?

    Bad analogy. You can still tell by the workmanship the quality of the tradesman. If the Oilers were well drilled, played tight systems and had good technical execution, this would be the case – the players aren’t good enough a la Barry Trotz’s Preds. That the Oilers have acquired players that EVERYBODY on this site said were good by eye and numbers and they look exactly the same as last year points to coaching.

  106. CrazyCoach says:

    Lowetide: Exactly. That’s why I’ve said multiple times that firing Eakins is crazy. If you hirebuilder and give him crappy lumber, why complain when the house is rickety?

    Or even worse when you order lumber and the supply store sends you balsa wood.

  107. Bank Shot says:

    Pouzar:
    Mike Santorelli. Jezzuz. There was a buy-low guy right there that I wanted.

    Playin the toughs with a +4.3 Corsi Rel and 18 pts (2.64 P/60)

    Gotta give the Leafs some credit. They take flyers on guys and sometimes it pays off (i.e. Raymond).

    That’s because other teams make bets on guys with some history of success at the NHL level. Guys like Ribeiro, Roy, Jokinen.

    Do all of them turn out? No, but the frequency of them at least covering the bet on being a replacement level NHLer makes these moves a pretty good bet.

    Oilers make bets that 18 year olds will be able to step in and keep pace at the NHL level which is a very poor and stupid bet. They make these all the time. They leave spots open for rookies to grab in preseason. I just don’t understand it.

    MacT in the past two years has traded prospects and picks to upgrade the roster on multiple occasions. He’s been wiling to mortgage some of the future trading away futures for “now” players such as Perron, Scrivens/Fasth, and Nikitin. Why then does he not bother to create roster depth in NHLers across the board?

    Having a vet center that you don’t have to baby like Leon has a ripple effect across all of the lines. Having a vet defender to cover the bet instead of counting on Marincin or Klefbom to blossom into a first pairing defender over night is a smart way to go.

    New Jersey just goes out every season and acquires a bunch of players that everyone including the stats, and saw him good guys say are done and then they put up respectable seasons. There is a pretty strong correlation in the NHL between age and winning. Knowing that, why would a GM that is trying to get traction, gamble everything on young players.

    Mact basically stated that he is waiting for his core players to mature, and that is what has delayed the timeline. Well, the fact that he isn’t helping to insulate them in the meantime, or fill any of the glaring needs at center and defence is inexcusable. A good GM doesn’t just sit on his hands and wait for the draft picks to develop. A good GM is active in filling holes.

    Mact hasn’t done all he can to enable his hockey team to be a winning team this season. Employees know a half hearted effort when they see one. And then when the bottom falls out and they are “moping” around the dressing room, perhaps management should take a look in the mirror to see why this situation came to pass.

  108. theres oil in virginia says:

    Pouzar: ???

    I put tweets in from time to time. Or should I spew vitriol that hasn’t already?

    Yes, more vitriolic bullshit, please. My scrollbar is getting addicted.

    😉

  109. godot10 says:

    The Oilers have 17 points in 26 games. In Hunters’ contest I predicted 73 points. If the Oilers get one point per game the rest of the way, 56 points in 56 games, they will end up with 73 points.

    I think I can probably take the under on my own prediction! -).

  110. theres oil in virginia says:

    stephen sheps,

    Nice job. Thanks for posting. I always enjoy reading stories like that.

    Now, back to grading! Hehe.

  111. Rebuilder says:

    To keep things in perspective with Calgary, we already had Calgary’s team. just instead of Hiller it was Salo or Cujo. We fought for every inch of ice (Marchant, Greer) and were always the underdog. But guess what the long term success for these types of teams are… middle of the road, never good enough to compete for the cup, never bad enough for high end skill. So I have absolutely no envy for Calgary right now, because if they do make the playoffs, they will not make it far because they do not have the top end skill to win. It is all an illusion of success, with no substance.

    For us we have the top end skill (Hall back to back Memorial Cup MVP) so if I have to wait a bit longer to see the playoffs, it is worth the wait because now when we make it to the playoffs, we have the skill to win. MacT knows this better than anyone so he will ntot trade the high end skill, unless it brings high end skill back. Perspcetive is everything and the the goal is not to sqeek into the playoffs, it is to be able to dominate when we get there.

  112. GCW_69 says:

    “Frank The Dog”: Because he said he’s not prepared to talk about individual players?

    So, if a politician says he doesn’t want to talk about a scandal, should the press not ask anyway if that’s what the public wants to know?

  113. Captain's Log says:

    Well I guess I wasn’t really expecting anything else from the press conference. I do wish MacT would’ve been a little harder on certain players (Nikitin, Schultz) but he did challenge the big 3 to demand more from themselves and the team. That’s a start towards accountability.

    Considering how bad this season has been I hope they are closely evaluating the attitude of the players going forward. Keep the guys that are upping their effort and attention to detail. Flush the ones that are lolly-gagging it while they still have value.

    PS: Was anyone secretly very impressed with Klefbom and his 24 minutes against the Peg?

  114. Captain's Log says:

    Rebuilder:
    To keep things in perspective with Calgary, we already had Calgary’s team.just instead of Hiller it was Salo or Cujo.We fought for every inch of ice (Marchant, Greer) and were always the underdog.But guess what the long term success for these types of teams are…middle of the road, never good enough to compete for the cup, never bad enough for high end skill.So I have absolutely no envy for Calgary right now, because if they do make the playoffs, they will not make it far because they do not have the top end skill to win.It is all an illusion of success, with no substance.

    For us we have the top end skill (Hall back to back Memorial Cup MVP) so if I have to wait a bit longer to see the playoffs, it is worth the wait because now when we make it to the playoffs, we have the skill to win. MacT knows this better than anyone so he will ntot trade the high end skill, unless it brings high end skill back.Perspcetive is everything and the the goal is not to sqeek into the playoffs, it is to be able to dominate when we get there.

    I can somewhat see the comparison but there’s one huge difference with the Calgary team – Mark Giordano. He might be the Norris trophy winner this year if he continues his play. When you have someone so elite at such an important position it changes everything.

  115. commonfan14 says:

    Stanley 2018: Eberle can get you something good.

    But I don’t want to change my username again.

  116. RMGS says:

    The Oilers’ demise is national news. I just listened to a segment on MacT’s presser on CBC Radio’s The World at Six. It wasn’t a sports report. LOL.

  117. RexLibris says:

    spoiler: That is very likely. I imagine the KHL is a gate-driven league and getting your gate in Euros has to be a massive advantage.Travel, attracting players, etc.

    Very reminiscent of the years when teams like Colorado, Dallas and New Jersey could outbid any Canadian team (save the Leafs) for talent because even though they were (at the time) gate driven the exchange differential undermined everything.

  118. Ca$h-Money! says:

    RexLibris,

    My understanding is that the KHL (moreso than other sports leagues) is an ego-driven league rather than a gate-driven league. Profitability is less important than having a cool toy, at least for the big Russian squads. And hey, there’s always money laundering.

  119. GCW_69 says:

    Caramel Obvious: And as Spoiler pointed out, putting Schultz on the ice 4-on-4 is a very defensible decision.Indeed, under other circumstances it would be called putting a player in position to succeed.You know, that other things Eakins is accused of never doing.

    And the idea that it was a terrible idea “to start” overtime with him is pretty silly, as if there is something magical about starting overtime.

    Right. Every coach that has a pairing that is getting absolutely killed all night starts them in overtime. Schultz was about 20% cf on the night. Clearly he is the guy when you are desperate for a win.

    No possibility of going with Ference and Fayne or Petry and Klefbom.

  120. RexLibris says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    RexLibris,

    My understanding is that the KHL (moreso than other sports leagues) is an ego-driven league rather than a gate-driven league.Profitability is less important than having a cool toy, at least for the big Russian squads.And hey, there’s always money laundering.

    Maybe they should rename the rouble the Ego and have a picture of Putin on the bill? Inflation would be a pretty serious problem, I’d expect.

  121. Hockeyman 99 says:

    On a different topic, how much do you think the other teams and fans that are piling onto the oilers right now will hate this team when in a couple of years Connor or Jack, Hall, Leon, Klefbom, Nurse, Nuge and Ebs come into their buildings and kick their asses. If I’m a Calgary fan I’m hoping like hell this isn’t the 1980s all over again and the oilers are getting their new Great One by sucking in the last year they are guaranteed a generational player if they finish last. Calgary may be developing a good team once Bennet develops but McDavid and this group could end up special with some more Development and a few moves.

    I think the players (sans a goalie) are mainly in place in the organization, they just aren’t ready. Hall, Ebs and Nuge are ready to be good Players just not great Leaders/Players yet. The major issue in my opinion is at almost every level all the players and maybe coaches are in over their heads due to lack of experience. Its been the same story since Sam, but We need to remember breaking into the league is only the first NHL Challenge and now the core is asked to Lead and now the are being baptized by fire. So long as we don’t make any stupid trades the players will rise to the challenge and character will be revealed or exposed and that is when you make deals.

  122. "Frank The Dog" says:

    GCW_69: So,if a politician says he doesn’t want to talk about a scandal,should the press not ask anyway if that’s what the public wants to know?

    I didn’t say he was right 🙂

    Although I believe he was right not to name them, aka throw them under the bus.
    People are different to scandals.

  123. TheOtherJohn says:

    Hockeyman99 wrote

    “how much do you think the other teams and fans that are piling onto the oilers right now will hate this team when in a couple of years Connor or Jack, Hall, Leon, Klefbom, Nurse, Nuge and Ebs come into their buildings and kick their ass”

    IF is, at this point, a more appropriate word

  124. Pouzar says:

    Bank Shot,

    Santorelli had a good year in VAN and was perfect buy low candidate.

  125. Pouzar says:

    McSorley33: Pouzar – that was a genuine thank you.

    I was aware of the crashing ruble but I never connected the dots to the KHL.

    My apologies Mc33!…not your style…should have known better.

  126. G Money says:

    OilClog: Yes, put the players in position to succeed. I beg you! But as a coach if you can’t figure out that maybe putting Schultz out on a line change for a odd man break wouldn’t be a better thing I dunno. Klef, earned the right to start OT, he was the better player. Yet he was on the bench, why didn’t Eakins put Klef in a position to succeed there?

    Yup.

    I’m all for putting players in a position to succeed.

    But I’d like to think a coaches job is first and foremost to put his team in a position to succeed.

  127. spoiler says:

    godot10: One can buy a Ruble/US Dollar futures contract on the CME (you know, in Chicago).
    http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/fx/emerging-market/russian-ruble_contract_specifications.html
    Hedging is easy.
    If I’m offered a contract for 10 million rubles, I can go to a bank trader and hedge that at the current exchange rate on the futures contract one year out, when I have to deliver the rubles.
    It might be even easier. There might be a ruble/dollar ETF which one can buy or short.
    The problem is not currency risk. The problem is that the KHL salary for a Russian teams team won’t be as good next year because of the rubles collapse, but anyone signing this year is sure to hedge. You can lock in what you are getting by hedging.
    Last summer, any player with a decent financiai advisor would have hedged, and not lost anything, since the Ukrainian standoff had already begun.

    Again it is not as simple as you make it out to be.

    First of all, no one knew where the Ukrainian situation was going last summer. Certainly not enough to make a large bet that comes with political risk. Not to mention just a year earlier, the ruble was the darling of FX traders.

    Secondly, after the Olympics and the Ukrainian situation escalated, several large companies who do business in Russia stated that “Ruble hedging was too expensive”. This is partly because of the way money must enter and exit the USA fro foreign sources.

    If it is too expensive for them, outside of Russia and with billions in flow and the ability to leverage up the ying-yang, it is far more expensive for an individual within Russia, paying with after-tax dollars and no leverage. Throw in possibilities of confiscation or freezing and buying a CME contract is probably the last place they would hedge. They would short their own RX market or buy a bear RX ETF before taking this step.

    Now these companies might feel differently today given the size of the move in the ruble, but that’s also an important point… virtually no one saw it coming because no one saw the price of oil dropping as much as it has. Anyone who saw this combination of events would have made a boatload on out of the money options, but we’re not hearing about any millionaires being made off oil or ruble shorting. Why not?

    Because only Godot operates with 20-20 hindsight and his own narrative.

  128. RicaGreaser says:

    Lowetide: Exactly. That’s why I’ve said multiple times that firing Eakins is crazy. If you hirebuilder and give him crappy lumber, why complain when the house is rickety?

    Seeing a guy build a really nice birdhouse and hiring him to build you a palace makes “rickety house” more probable than possible.

    Mac T’s argument is that the coaching message at v4.0 is the same, it’s just that the players won’t do as they are told. Of the four coaches I submit that the current one is least qualified (argument for a tie with Ralphy K) and doing the least record wise with the best pieces (Ralphy K says “hey”)

    Firing Eakins right now does nothing for the short term and risks more criticism of the Edmonton turnstile (not Jultz…talking coaching now). The question to ask is…if we are planning long term is Eakins the guy to get this team to the promised land assuming MacT’s model works? I don’t think he is, so when DO we make the change to someone we think can do that job?

    Maybe MacT is right. Maybe as long as coaches are sending the same message they are all equal… there is no difference between having Randy Carlyle and having Mike Babcock behind the bench. He’s got a helluva sales job to do on me though.

  129. Gerta Rauss says:

    I was on Popcorn Playhouse in 1970?..71?…I would have been 5 or 6 at the time

    The birthday kids got to pan for gold at the end of the show. I remember being disappointed finding out the gold was just nickels wrapped in tin foil

    That drive out to CFRN seemed like you were leaving civilization to a 5 year old

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