SING ME BACK HOME

The Edmonton Oilers aren’t a very good hockey team and they’re doing things that hold them back and could be fixed today. Things like Luke Gazdic in the lineup over someone more able to read the developing play one night ago that resulted in the tying goal for the Coyotes. It seems like a small thing—come on man, it’s just one play—but for a team that has lost most of the one-goal games (and a couple more empty netters) they’ve been in this season, the devil is in the details. Luke Gazdic is not George Laraque, or even Zach Stortini, we’ll see how long it takes MacT to recognize it. He saw it last night, we have it on tape.

WHERE HAVE YOU GONE, MARTY REASONER?

Calgary Flames v Edmonton Oilers

Craig MacTavish as a coach had some really smart hockey players. Guys who would leave the puck in a good spot and cycle it, who would try to create offense off the forecheck and who skated miles and miles just to ride the other man out of the play. As a GM, he’s been able to find wingers who fit the bill (I’d argue Perron, Pouliot, Hendricks) but only one center (Boyd Gordon) and he needs another.

He doesn’t have centermen like Michael Peca and Marty Reasoner—but Boyd Gordon can cover some of that and given time he’ll find his Sakic Reasoner. I wonder if Arcobello ends up being the Reasoner. He’s certainly the obvious choice on this roster.

The major blessing for the center position moving forward? Ryan-freaking-Nugent-Hopkins. He’s just so splendid and getting better. A center depth chart with that kind of two-way ability at the top is going to have some impact at both ends of the ice.

RIGHT-WING MINUTES (EVEN STRENGTH)

pitlick ferguson 1415I saw Tyler Pitlick good last night (thought he was on the PK for a time, but he wasn’t) and always like to check and see if the coach saw him good, too. Now Pitlick’s playing time has been a bit all over lately, with time on the top line and the bottom line sometimes happening same game. Here are the EV minutes from last night’s game for RW’s:

  1. Jordan Eberle 15:31
  2. Tyler Pitlick 13:27
  3. Teddy Purcell 12:49
  4. Nail Yakupov 12:47

Pitlick played 11:37 at even strength in his last game under Dallas Eakins, Yakupov (15:22), Purcell (16:27)  and Eberle (17:17) all getting miles more. The Oilers rolled four lines at even strength last night (did the same on blue too, pretty much).

COACH NELSON

  • Todd Nelson: “I saw a lot of positive things tonight. We have to focus on that and move forward.”

Nelson is familiar with most of the roster, he coached all the kids during the lockout and would certainly have a great deal of knowledge about men like Oscar Klefbom, Mark Arcobello and Pitlick. One of the few men he wouldn’t have seen a lot at ice level is Nail Yakupov, it’ll be interesting to see how the Russian is used when Pouliot returns in the new year. I thought the power play had some jump but that’s probably just the mind’s eye. They didn’t score enough to win the game and did have a little PP window there to get something done. The best things you can say about Nelson’s debut? They got one point and finally some goaltending. Small victories are big steps.

 

OILERS FORWARDS IN A BOX, AFTER 32 GAMES

PLAYER BOXCARS PROJ14-15 CORSI FOR % OZ STARTS 5X5 PER 60
BENOIT POULIOT 20gp, 3-5-8 75, 11-18-29 51.2 62.5 2.11
NUGENT-HOPKINS 30gp, 8-12-20 80, 21-32-53 52.1 58.6 1.98
IIRO PAKARINEN 5gp, 1-0-1 93.8 1.86
JORDAN EBERLE 31gp, 6-12-18 81, 16-31-47 54.0 62.4 1.83
DAVID PERRON 32gp, 5-10-15 82, 13-26-39 51.8 67.4 1.71
TAYLOR HALL 26gp, 8-10-18 76, 23-29-52 53.4 58.7 1.70
TEDDY PURCELL 32gp, 4-10-14 82, 10-26-36 54.7 61.5 1.25
STEVE PINIZZOTTO 14gp, 1-1-2 64, 5-5-10 43.9 22.9 1.19
BOYD GORDON 27gp, 4-3-7 77, 11-9-20 47.1 16.3 1.11
NAIL YAKUPOV 32gp, 4-4-8 82, 10-10-20 48.7 74.9 0.93
LEON DRAISAITL 32gp, 2-5-7 82, 5-13-18 52.4 80.6 0.90
MARK ARCOBELLO 32gp, 5-4-9 82, 13-10-23 49.9 67.6 0.88
MATT HENDRICKS 28gp, 2-3-5 78, 6-8-14 47.3 13.0 0.68
TYLER PITLICK 8gp, 1-0-1 58, 7-0-7 52.3 46.4 0.68
LUKE GAZDIC 11gp, 0-0-0 61, 0-0-0 454. 66.7 0.00
  • Hall has taken a dive since our last look, he’s not pissing a drop offensively. He was more involved last night, I’d bet on him 100 times out of 100. Injuries do seem to have slowed his speed and that’s a major item. Hopefully short term.

yost nuge tweet

  • Nugent-Hopkins really has taken a nice step this season, he’s effective across the board. Still some experience needed but this is a tremendous talent.
  • Eberle’s not quite right, don’t know what it is.
  • David Perron should be on the top line.
  • Teddy Purcell shouldn’t be here, the Oilers blew that big time. Gagner leaving needed to be followed up with a veteran center with offensive ability. Look at the Leon and Arco zone-starts and then look at their 5×5/60. So MUCH opportunity is being wasted here, it’s damn galling.
  • Nail Yakupov. Wow

OILERS DEFENSE IN A BOX, AFTER 32 GAMES

PLAYER BOXCARS PROJ14-15 CORSI FOR % OZ STARTS 5X5 PER 60
OSCAR KLEFBOM 10gp, 0-1-1 60, 0-6-6 53.3 48.2 0.33
KEITH AULIE 12gp, 0-0-0 62, 0-0-0 51.6 48.8 0.00
JEFF PETRY 31gp, 3-3-6 81, 8-8-16 53.3 42.9 0.34
MARTIN MARINCIN 12gp, 0-1-1 51.1 48.7 0.33
MARK FAYNE 32gp, 1-4-5 82, 3-10-13 49.6 48.0 0.53
NIKITA NIKITIN 22gp, 2-3-5 72, 7-10-17 50.3 55.0 0.53
JUSTIN SCHULTZ 31gp, 2-10-12 81, 5-26-31 50.7 62.0 0.93
ANDREW FERENCE 29gp, 1-1-2 79, 3-3-6 48.8 43.4 0.24
  • This is ranked by Corsi for 5×5.
  • Jeff Petry remains the team’s best player on defense.
  • Klefbom shouldn’t see the minors again.
  • Justin Schultz is going to have good boxcars this season but it won’t tell the story.
  • Mark Fayne is a good hockey player.
  • Andrew Ference recovered from last year, I think this is a reflection of the player.
  • Keith Aulie has been better than I thought he’d be.
  • Brandon Davidson hasn’t played enough to make this list, I’ll have him on the next list.

WHAT’S THE PROBLEM OFFENSIVELY?

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Simply put, Taylor Hall is the pillar of 5×5 scoring for the Edmonton Oilers. When he isn’t scoring, the Oilers are pretty horrible and getting worse. When we talk about the center depth chart, I’ll often get pushback like “well their possession numbers are good” and that’s certainly part of the equation. The next question becomes “what are these men doing with all that good possession?” and comes the answer ‘not much’ and that’s the issue right there.

Craig MacTavish bet on a kid and a long shot and called it good. If you look at the offense being delivered by Leon and Arco, and then factor in the wasted talent on the wing, you have the offensive story in 2014-15. We’ll see how long it takes MacT to recognize it. He saw it last night, we have it on tape.

 BALANCE

The cat photo at the top isn’t the balance photo I’ve been saving, for me it’s a matter of principle now—you’re not going to see it until we’re all drinking that free bubble up and eating that rainbow stew. Craig MacTavish knows this roster is bad and I bet you he knows he can fix some of this today. If you look at the blue above, these men are posting reasonable possession numbers. The forwards are too, although that fourth line is badly needed (come back, Boyd Gordon!) to make this thing rattle and hum.

Craig MacTavish knows the problems on this roster:

  • Goaltending (although Scrivens seems to be getting traction finally)
  • The center position (stubborn stubborn stubborn stubborn stubborn stubborn MacT)
  • Marginal talents like Luke Gazdic playing significant minutes

I respect Craig MacTavish and think he’s a smart guy but there are some things about this Edmonton Oilers team he created that are fatally flawed. If we see Martin Marincin recalled and Brandon Davidson sent down; if we see Iiro Pakarinen or Anton Lander or even Curtis Hamilton recalled and Luke Gazdic sent to the pressbox; if we see some life in the power play; if we see David Perron or Jordan Eberle join Hall and Nuge on the top line; if we see a concerted effort to get Nail Yakupov some significant power play time—then I think we can talk about Craig MacTavish as a legit option as GM moving forward. Until then, I remain convinced the Edmonton Oilers need a new general manager in the summer.

I believe Craig MacTavish has the courage of his convictions. Perhaps he misplaced them in all the excitement. Now would be a very good time for him to recall the things that Fernando Pisani provided and elevate those things in his own organization. Intelligence, hard work, skills, giving full full full value for ‘it’s what you leave’ and making this Oilers team a bright light instead of a dull dim bulb.

Craig MacTavish can do it. I know he can.

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 LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

TSN 1260, 10 this morning. It’s been a crazy week today we try to put things in perspective.

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. The last 72 hours in Oilerville have been crazy. The voice of reason helps us suss it out.
  • Mike Ringrose, Dir of hockey ops for Vimy Hockey. Verifying what you see with Corsi/Fenwick/possession stats.
  • Jeff Chapman, Copper and Blue. Jeff will talk about the wisdom or another rookie coach and what the Oilers should do for the rest of the season and summer.
  • Jeff Krushell, Krush Performance. We’ll talk baseball and an incredible “Stuff your Stocking” giveaway on his show. You have to hear what he’s giving away.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. See you on the radio!

 

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163 Responses to "SING ME BACK HOME"

  1. Ben says:

    Don’t worry guys – the team will be way better next year when they’re playing a rookie D 25 minutes a night and starting a rookie goaltender (Vasilevskiy?) 55 times.

  2. TheGreatMutato says:

    Counting the number of times my own kitties have chosen to randomly fall off of our small banister at home, that photo gives me the willies. Same feeling I got lost night as the puck bounced around the neutral zone with seconds left in overtime =(

  3. russ99 says:

    Watch a Blackhawks game sometimes and watch what Patrick Kane does in the offensive zone.

    Is there any reason why Hall can’t do the same? He’s got the skill for it, plus he has a lot more size.

    He’s wasted in the corner and behind the net. Nobody ever scored a goal from there. Sure, the Arco line seems well suited for that kind of cycle play, but they need to stop forcing it on everyone. Sometimes you cycle, some times you use speed and puck movement to create space. That needs to be a decision based on the players on the ice, the opponent and the game situation.

    IMO, it’s going to take some time to break the bad habits these guys had drilled in by Eakins to stop making the the safe play to continue the cycle and instead doing something with the puck that can give us a better chance to score.

  4. Khlhfs says:

    Does anyone else get the feeling that this team (under Eakins) was being coached purely for Corsi? The shots on net are higher but does anyone honestly believe that this team is getting more quality scoring chances than it was a year or two years ago?

  5. smellyglove says:

    Anyone else annoyed by Eakins comments last night? Sure, I have to respect his honesty and support of MacT, but the ‘patience’ line had me yelling when I heard it.

    Item 1: “MacT had 20 months on the job”. Can you guarantee that Lowe and Howson don’t have input (control)? If not, it’s the same inept cabal with hands on the steering wheel. Perhaps more frustrating: MacT has been in one of the top 1-2-3-4-5 jobs in this organization since 2000 (outside of his time in Rockford, etc.). You telling me as HC he didn’t have major input to Lowe/etc? I would argue that MacT has closer to 20 years on the job as a part of the braintrust than 20 months.

    Item 2: Patience. If you didn’t hear Eakins presser, he chastised the fans for a lack of patience. If anything, fans have had too much patience! Gregor’s piece on ON nails it: there has been no progress over the last 7 year… as a matter of fact, the team is regressing. Eakins’ narrative is that we are 20 months into this rebuild. Sorry Dallas… we are 5 years into rebuild 1.5. You don’t get to restart the clock everytime you fuck up.

    Item 3: Dallas said that his goal was to have the team ready to win a round or two by 2016. Right…

  6. Caribbeerman says:

    Hey – Color me delusional but I think things will improve significantly under our new head coach Todd Nelson.
    • Our best players have not been our best players this year– Hall, Eberle and Shultz have taken a step backwards – new coach has to get them back to “normal” status and I feel like he will
    • Nelson is more of a player’s coach – this may sit better with the more fragile younger players like Hall, Shultz, Yakapov – I think despite what the players and Eakins might have said publicly – there was a disconnect between them from day 1
    • Nelson’s AHL teams have always had good power play stats (top 5 past 3 years) and Oilers will show improvement in this area – if you can play tight 5 x 5 and take advantage of your PP chances of winning increase significantly
    • I think Nelson capably plugs some holes in the roster with players he knows and trusts from Oak. like Lander, Marincin and Pakarinen
    • I also think MacTavish weeds out some rotten eggs that may be holding this team back over the remainder of the schedule
    It’s a very optimistic view but it would not surprise me if the team plays .500 hockey under Nelson and become a spoiler for other teams trying to make the playoffs later in the season. That would really represent a massive improvement to be sure.

  7. su_dhillon says:

    One thing at a time Lowetide, Mactavish fixed the goaltending last night, Im sure the center fix will come later in the week!

    Here’s what I don’t get about the Yak treatment. If he is in your long term plans why wouldn’t you load up his PP time to try get him some confidence and get him going? There is literally no downside, it’s not like the PP is running hot without him, it’s not like you are in a playoff race and don;t have time for development.

    On the other hand if Yak isn’t in their long term plans, there is still incentive to get him PP time and get him scoring because at least then other teams may begin to see him as a viable offensive option again. To just let him die on the vine is so asinine it just baffles me.

    Finally, looking at the minutes on the blue last night, seeing Jultz lead in minutes and watch Hunt play 22 makes me think that the deployment during season by Eakins wasn’t all his call. Both guys mentioned how often they discussed the lineups and we know Mactavish feels about Schultz so it all kind of makes sense.

  8. Woodguy says:

    The next question becomes “what are these men doing with all that good possession?” and comes the answer ‘not much’ and that’s the issue right there.

    This is something I’ve been kicking around in my head and noodling with a blog post (yeah right)

    Before Tyler’s blog went dark he was going down the path that “scoring goals isn’t offence, getting the puck to the ozone is offence”

    I was going to build on that and separate offence into 2 distinct functions:

    1) Getting the puck from the dzone to the ozone (corsi, zone exits, zone entires etc)

    2) Putting the puck in the net once its there

    These are two separate skills.

    The elite of the NHL excel at both.

    Some all stars only excel at the 2nd part.

    Some very good players who drive the play, but don’t finish are severely undervalued (although that is changing as we saw with the Pouliot and Stralman contracts)

    Balance must include some players from pile A and some from pile B and some who can do both. (players who can do neither need not apply)

    In addition to the “shooter” in the ozone you need the garbage man type on each line as well. They Ryan Smyths who specialize in 1 foot shots.

    Smyth’s slapshot couldn’t break a wet paper bag, but he shot 11.2% for his career because of where he shot from.

    There is also room for the creative passer who can create the one shot goal, but you can’t rely on that too much as 1 shot goals are pretty rare in this NHL with giant goalie in giant equipment who can do the splits like Nadia Comaneci

    What I see on the Oilers of the 4 types:

    Drivers of Play
    RNH
    Hall
    Pouliot
    Petry
    Gordon

    Shooters
    RNH
    Hall
    Eberle
    Yak
    Perron -kind of

    Garbage men
    Perron – kind of

    Elite Ozone passers
    RNH
    Hall
    Yak (seriously)
    DrySaddle
    Schultz

    Not a pretty picture and the same names come up too often and others not at all.

    This team needs more drivers and more garbage men.

  9. Frank The Dog says:

    Today we start seeing where the wacko lines, pairings, roster moves and other crazy stuff came from. For the sake of the club I hope that it was primarily Dallas.

    My wife didn’t like Dallas from the start and she doesn’t like MacT. I still support MacT and my biggest fear is the puppet master in the bat cave. If Nelson goes all goofy in his choices, I’m not blaming Nelson. Nor even MacT actually. Nor even Kevin. It will be
    #ThanksDaryl!

  10. book¡je says:

    I’m worried about that cat.

  11. Woodguy says:

    su_dhillon,

    Finally, looking at the minutes on the blue last night, seeing Jultz lead in minutes and watch Hunt play 22 makes me think that the deployment during season by Eakins wasn’t all his call. Both guys mentioned how often they discussed the lineups and we know Mactavish feels about Schultz so it all kind of makes sense.

    Which is probably the main reason MacT needs to go.

    He makes a decision on a player and no amount of evidence to the contrary seems to sway his decision.

    Hunt in EDM and Marincin in OKC

    Lander the captain and leading scorer in OKC, PP1, PK1 and Hendricks playing C and therefore Pinizzotto on wing in EDM

    You cannot have a GM with those kind of blinders on.

  12. Woodguy says:

    How can an organization shit talk its own drafting record when the two best 2nd rounders since Petry sit in OKC when worse players are on the Oilers roster?

  13. PhrankLee says:

    Woodguy: Yak (seriously)

    You say that like there are some who don’t think so. A lot of guys on the squad have trouble with his passes because they aren’t expecting it. And he passes HARD.

  14. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    The next question becomes “what are these men doing with all that good possession?” and comes the answer ‘not much’ and that’s the issue right there.

    This is something I’ve been kicking around in my head and noodling with a blog post (yeah right)

    Before Tyler’s blog went dark he was going down the path that “scoring goals isn’t offence, getting the puck to the ozone is offence”

    I was going to build on that and separate offence into 2 distinct functions:

    1) Getting the puck from the dzone to the ozone (corsi, zone exits, zone entires etc)

    2) Putting the puck in the net once its there

    These are two separate skills.

    The elite of the NHL excel at both.

    Some all stars only excel at the 2nd part.

    Some very good players who drive the play, but don’t finish are severely undervalued (although that is changing as we saw with the Pouliot and Stralman contracts)

    Balance must include some players from pile A and some from pile B and some who can do both. (players who can do neither need not apply)

    In addition to the “shooter” in the ozone you need the garbage man type on each line as well.They Ryan Smyths who specialize in 1 foot shots.

    Smyth’s slapshot couldn’t break a wet paper bag, but he shot 11.2% for his career because of where he shot from.

    There is also room for the creative passer who can create the one shot goal, but you can’t rely on that too much as 1 shot goals are pretty rare in this NHL with giant goalie in giant equipment who can do the splits like Nadia Comaneci

    What I see on the Oilers of the 4 types:

    Drivers of Play
    RNH
    Hall
    Pouliot
    Petry
    Gordon

    Shooters
    RNH
    Hall
    Eberle
    Yak
    Perron -kind of

    Garbage men
    Perron – kind of

    Elite Ozone passers
    RNH
    Hall
    Yak (seriously)
    DrySaddle
    Schultz

    Not a pretty picture and the same names come up too often and others not at all.

    This team needs more drivers and more garbage men.

    I agree, but one would hope that Yak and Draisaitl could become drivers.

    We need way more garbage men

  15. Frank The Dog says:

    Khlhfs:
    Does anyone else get the feeling that this team (under Eakins) was being coached purely for Corsi? The shots on net are higher but does anyone honestly believe that this team is getting more quality scoring chances than it was a year or two years ago?

    Yes. In fact Dallas alluded to that in his exit presser, he was focussing on possession and once they had that locked down he was going to focus on shot %. He also let it be known (imho) that the real timetable for success coincided with the move to the new arena, but the pressure of the losses mandated action be taken earlier.
    However the stupid mistakes kept getting in the way, never mind the lack of preparedness for the regular season, the ridiculous roster choices, and apparently the lack to which the players grasped the fundamentals of the game, which Dallas also referred to when he said that he feels perhaps he moved onto systems play prematurely, he should have put more focus on the basics.

    Quite honestly I think Dallas could do extraordinarily well in the broadcast booth.

  16. Caribbeerman says:

    Woodguy: Hunt in EDM and Marincin in OKC

    I agree that Marincin is one of Oilers top 6 defenders and should be in NHL but to be fair in terms of usage last night Hunt did not look bad. Shultz – he is just so soft in his own zone. As a pairing – coach/management can’t really be expecting positive of sustained results.

  17. Woodguy says:

    PhrankLee: You say that like there are some who don’t think so.A lot of guys on the squad have trouble with his passes because they aren’t expecting it. And he passes HARD.

    I love his passes on the PP. Very quick decisions that get every opponent including the goalie moving.

    None of the “dusting the puck a few times and letting the D get set before making a decision”:

    Fast, fast,fast.

    There are people who don’t believe it.

  18. Caribbeerman says:

    Frank The Dog: Quite honestly I think Dallas could do extraordinarily well in the broadcast booth.

    100% agree – great talker!

  19. Frank The Dog says:

    smellyglove:
    Anyone else annoyed by Eakins comments last night? Sure, I have to respect his honesty and support of MacT, but the ‘patience’ line had me yelling when I heard it.

    Item 1: “MacT had 20 months on the job”. Can you guarantee that Lowe and Howson don’t have input (control)? If not, it’s the same inept cabal with hands on the steering wheel. Perhaps more frustrating: MacT has been in one of the top 1-2-3-4-5 jobs in this organization since 2000 (outside of his time in Rockford, etc.). You telling me as HC he didn’t have major input to Lowe/etc? I would argue that MacT has closer to 20 years on the job as a part of the braintrust than 20 months.

    Item 2: Patience. If you didn’t hear Eakins presser, he chastised the fans for a lack of patience. If anything, fans have had too much patience! Gregor’s piece on ON nails it: there has been no progress over the last 7 year… as a matter of fact, the team is regressing. Eakins’ narrative is that we are 20 months into this rebuild. Sorry Dallas… we are 5 years into rebuild 1.5. You don’t get to restart the clock everytime you fuck up.

    Item 3: Dallas said that his goal was to have the team ready to win a round or two by 2016. Right…

    In fairness he also alluded to what you do after you lose all your savings – you have to start from ground zero. I think he was saying that Tambellini bankrupted the organizational talent and MacT had to start from ground zero, and that the true timeline is 5 years from MacT becoming GM.

    I don like it either, but he’s entitled to his opinion and I’m hoping that he’s wrong too.

  20. Klima's_Bucket says:

    I can live with Pinnizzotto playing on the 4th line.
    He has shown some talent and an ability to be physical.
    However when you play him with Hendricks in the middle and a Gorilla on the other wing the whole line becomes a circus.
    So if you’re going to run an inept 4th line like that then you better be damn sure the other three lines are purring like LT’s kitty in the picture.
    And when you have Arco and a rookie in the middle of those other two lines…Good Luck.
    Seriously, the Oilers gave up a game’s worth of shots in one period last night.
    Against the one team they are capable of catching in the western conference.

  21. cadooo says:

    Player Usage Chart for last nights game.

    Not sure why Petry has been getting an OZ push lately. Attempt to generate more offense to attract trades?

    *Disclaimer numbers were generated by my own programs there may be some inaccuracies.

  22. Clay says:

    Woodguy:
    How can an organization shit talk its own drafting record when the two best 2nd rounders since Petry sit in OKC when worse players are on the Oilers roster?

    This is absolutely correct.

    Sure the drafting record is poor. But the ability to recognize the proper value of players is poorer (poorerer?). The few useful drafted players are overlooked / sent away.

    It is a sign of either ineptitude or intentional tank. Take your pick!

  23. PhrankLee says:

    Woodguy: I love his passes on the PP.

    Agree very much with this. I feel he is a better bet on 1 PP.

    I would have Eberle on 2PP because I would rather the more experienced soldier on the ice when the penalty ends. And Eberle is the guy who is supposed to be scoring with .3 seconds left in whatever event. He has the clutch gift. Im gonna call him Allison from now on.

  24. Frank The Dog says:

    book¡je:
    I’m worried about that cat.

    Looks like it has a good surface to grip onto, bannisters not so much.
    That does look like a 10 life drop though.

  25. russ99 says:

    Frank The Dog: Yes. In fact Dallas alluded to that in his exit presser, he was focussing on possession and once they had that locked down he was going to focus on shot %. He also let it be known (imho) that the real timetable for success coincided with the move to the new arena, but the pressure of the losses mandated action be taken earlier.

    A few days ago he was talking about going to the net, as if greasy goals would fix everything that doesn’t work with his possession for possession’s sake system. Because nothing can change, w’re going to play this way, it’s going to work.

    Again, he talks a good game, but in practice no clue.

  26. Clay says:

    Frank The Dog:
    Quite honestly I think Dallas could do extraordinarily well in the broadcast booth.

    Except the monotone would drive people nuts. A la Marc Crawford.

  27. McSorley33 says:

    Woodguy,

    This team needs more drivers and more garbage men.
    *************************************************************
    Completely agree with your line of thinking….but some have been saying this – garbage men – for a long time.

    Exhibit A – Purcell – I actually liked him at first….but man.

    I suspect we will be saying the same thing next year – need more garbage men to score garbage goals….

  28. russ99 says:

    Frank The Dog: Looks like it has a good surface to grip onto, bannisters not so much.
    That does look like a 10 life drop though.

    I’d wig out if it was my cat was up there.

  29. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: su_dhillon, Finally, looking at the minutes on the blue last night, seeing Jultz lead in minutes and watch Hunt play 22 makes me think that the deployment during season by Eakins wasn’t all his call. Both guys mentioned how often they discussed the lineups and we know Mactavish feels about Schultz so it all kind of makes sense.Which is probably the main reason MacT needs to go.He makes a decision on a player and no amount of evidence to the contrary seems to sway his decision.Hunt in EDM and Marincin in OKCLander the captain and leading scorer in OKC, PP1, PK1 and Hendricks playing C and therefore Pinizzotto on wing in EDMYou cannot have a GM with those kind of blinders on.

    This times a million. And it won’t change. It just won’t.

  30. su_dhillon says:

    Woodguy,

    WG wasn’t their an interview where Mactavish said something along the lines of they use analytics but don’t always believe them when it comes to some of their own players?
    If you are not going to properly assess your own guys you are dead in the water.

    Also if he hamstrung Eakins with both this incomplete roster and then also saddled him with certain lineup demands ,well not only did Dallas have no chance but Mactavish is way more culpable for the failure and should pay the price.

    It honestly never made sense to that Eakins could say the types of things he did in the press conferences and then play these possession sucks on the back end and 4th line. Now I think that it wasn’t really his call at least not totally. The Gordon-Hendriks Joensuu 4th line seemed way more in line with Eakins verbal than the Gadziz Pinnazotto line we have seen the last month or so.

  31. rich says:

    Woodguy:
    How can an organization shit talk its own drafting record when the two best 2nd rounders since Petry sit in OKC when worse players are on the Oilers roster?

    It does not help his credibility that’s for sure.

    Get’s back to MacT’s arrogance. He has a narrative that he’s going to follow come hell or high water right now.

    I could be wrong, but if Lander continues to produce in the AHL (7 points the last 3 games) and Marincin continues to improve, somebody above MacT is going to ask him why these guys aren’t playing (hint, it won’t be the POHO).

    If the team continues to lose, it will be just one more log on the fire (not THE log, just one more) that justifies the need to clean house.

    Hardest thing for some people is admitting you’ve made a mistake – and this is one of GM MacT’s biggest flaws.

    The only hope I have left for this team is that Nicholson see’s this and cleans the house up. Only then will the culture change.

  32. frjohnk says:

    cadooo: Not sure why Petry has been getting an OZ push lately. Attempt to generate more offense to attract trades?

    I believe Petry has untapped offensive potential

    He is very mobile

    Heads up player

    One helluva shot

    I think if he is traded to a team where is not constantly against tough competition and gets more than 49 seconds per game on the PP he would put some nice numbers

  33. linkfromhyrule says:

    Woodguy: Which is probably the main reason MacT needs to go.
    He makes a decision on a player and no amount of evidence to the contrary seems to sway his decision.
    Hunt in EDM and Marincin in OKC
    Lander the captain and leading scorer in OKC, PP1, PK1 and Hendricks playing C and therefore Pinizzotto on wing in EDM
    You cannot have a GM with those kind of blinders on

    Agreed 100%. I still cannot get over that they are CONTINUING to ice a lineup with 1 NHL centre, 1 tweener, and 1 rookie. That’s it. I’m pretty sure the other teams in the league love MacT as gm, because they know he isn’t icing an optimal lineup on any given night. Guaranteed Points Night continues…

    Really hope Yak starts seeing the ice a bit more. He is never going to gain any confidence playing 12 min a night. He badly needs a veteran center. Things wouldn’t look so bad if he didn’t have a rookie as his center!

  34. russ99 says:

    Woodguy:

    What I see on the Oilers of the 4 types:

    Drivers of Play
    RNH
    Hall
    Pouliot
    Petry
    Gordon

    Shooters
    RNH
    Hall
    Eberle
    Yak
    Perron -kind of

    Garbage men
    Perron – kind of

    Elite Ozone passers
    RNH
    Hall
    Yak (seriously)
    DrySaddle
    Schultz

    Not a pretty picture and the same names come up too often and others not at all.

    This team needs more drivers and more garbage men.

    Which makes it even more insane for everyone to be playing a hardcore possession game.

    How about utilizing the players we have now than wishing for what we don’t?

    Man, I hope Nelson realizes this…

  35. boneshj says:

    PhrankLee: Agree very much with this. I feel he is a better bet on 1 PP.

    I would have Eberle on 2PP because I would rather the more experienced soldier on the ice when the penalty ends. And Eberle is the guy who is supposed to be scoring with .3 seconds left in whatever event. He has the clutch gift. Im gonna call him Allison from now on.

    I’d say his falling down yesterday was pretty clutch. It set the wheels in motion for the loss despite the puck being at the oppositions blue line with less than 5 seconds to go, thus getting us one step closer to McEichel.

  36. PaperKurtRussell says:

    I do like most of MacT’s “guys” that were brought in (57, 67, 5, 23, 27… 86 to a much lesser extent), however there is NO WAY he’ll ever convince me that there was no C available better than Arco. At best, Leon was a gamble, while Arco is a known mediocre player. Lack of a plan B… perhaps Horak will crave a paycheque in stronger currency next year. The force is strong (er) in that one.

  37. su_dhillon says:

    Pouzar: This times a million. And it won’t change. It just won’t.

    I have always liked Mactavish but I agree until there is a complete house cleaning starting at the top this is just who they are. They cannot get out of their own way and with every step forward they find a way to Jultz it all up.

  38. 106 and 106 says:

    “Until then, I remain convinced the Edmonton Oilers need a new general manager in the summer.”

    I feel like the “i’ve been on the job 20 months comment” means that “i’ve got another 36 months to right the ship.”

  39. Frank The Dog says:

    I’m not sure what everyone expected from MacT and Nelson for last night’s game. The lineup had been set, the lines and pairings had practiced together, all they could do was move the minutes around a bit, and improve the mood of the players.

    I think they did pretty well in the circumstances. The team came out well, fell back into their old ways in the second, and came back rejuvenated in the third. Of course we all prefer a win, but there’s not much narrower a loss than .3 seconds from a coin flip.

    I’d suspect (because I don’t know) that Scrivens’ performance was more due to having his old goalie coach back and I also suspect with Chabot gone we will start seeing a competitive goalie tandem in place for the remainder.

    Our first true tells will start today when we see whether there are any call-ups from OKC and then tomorrow when we see the lineups and pairings, and then the tweaks and minutes in the game itself.

    But there is a concern that Dallas and MacT were much tighter even than we realized, and that some of the worst of the calls may in fact continue to come from MacT or above.

  40. Woodguy says:

    su_dhillon: d it wo

    In the Schultz signing presser MacT said he didn’t believe the metric on Schultz but felt very calm when Schultz had to defend.

    Said it with a straight face too.

  41. SwedishPoster says:

    I hope Nelson has the cojones to run with his own ideas because it’s becoming increasingly clear that there is someone, most likely MacT, pressing from above about the on ice decisions. Nelson has shown before that he ain’t afraid to bite back, his very open comments about being pissed when they hired Eakins without even interviewing him and the fact there was, from what I understood, pretty heated discussion when it came to playing prospects over vets in OKC despite the youngsters not showing up as they should. I actually agreed with Nelson on both those points btw. In both situations he showed the ability to compromise and take the discussions without losing his standpoint nor letting it get ugly. Hopefully he’ll be able to stand up for his decisions against the micromanagers up top as the HC. We’ll see in ten games time I guess.

    “Nelsons boys” all actually looked pretty solid last night, Davidson just played his simple defensively smart game, Pitlick looked decent for what he does and his limited skillset, Arcobello had on ok game and even had a few moments offensively something he hasn’t had in quite some time.

    There need to be some roster moves. Seriously. I can’t stand that mess of a fourth line. They do some decent work when they get close enough to work the offensive boards but it’s not like they have the skill to do anything with that sustained pressure and as soon as they lose that pressure they are dead in the water, useless, it’s straight back to getting hemmed in the d-zone with zero ability to break out or win the puck back without getting a lucky bounce or a clumsy play by the other team. It’s not working and it cost us a goal last night.
    We could put together a fourth line with Hendricks-Lander-Pitlick that would provide solid D, some toughness and very little offense but certainly more than the tank line they’re trotting out right now. Get Pakarinen or Hamilton or whoevers hot on a cushion start third line with Drai and Purcell. Put Perron with RNH and Ebs. Leave Arco as a safety blanket with Hall and Yak to create a counter line. Roll with it for at least five games and tell me it would be worse than what we’re being served right now.

    Whatever they do they need to mix the lines up because not a single one is clicking at the moment and the fourth line is a bad joke.

  42. Woodguy says:

    PaperKurtRussell:
    I do like most of MacT’s “guys” that were brought in (57, 67, 5, 23, 27… 86 to a much lesser extent), however there is NO WAY he’ll ever convince me that there was no C available better than Arco.At best, Leon was a gamble, while Arco is a known mediocre player.Lack of a plan B… perhaps Horak will crave a paycheque in stronger currency next year.The force is strong (er) in that one.

    FWIW I had heard there was a Perron-Anisimov deal done in principle this summer.

    Then Johansen contract talks delayed the trade.

    Then Dubinsky had to get abdominal surgery and Letestu goes on the IR as well

    Just as Dubinsky is coming back we hear all the “CBJ/EDM trade about to happen” with both Anisimov and Perron mentioned (Freidman and others had it)

    Then Anisimov tears his tricep.

    MacT *might* have had a solution but his trade PDO is at an all time low.

    The Hockey Gords punish hubris mightily.

  43. wuthering says:

    A few rants (sorry LT, it’s not mathy):

    1. Ference is the most embarrassing captain since Corson. I think he thinks he’s Bieksa. He’s got that cocky Bieksa-like swagger on the ice, but he’s not half as good in any sense (with the exception of the occasional butt-end). Whether it’s his scoop-shovel passes that are usually off-the-tape, his repeated failure at the can-opener, or his useless muffins from the point that stifle OZ time; all this suggest to me he gives up much more than he creates (which is, iirc, MacT’s definition of successful play.) Great that he’s a fantastic community guy, military supporter, and fitness freak–none of these attributes demonstrably help win hockey games. Time for a captain with hockey talent.

    2. Eberle was once my favorite Oiler. The fact that he hasn’t won a board-battle since 2011 is beginning to bother me. When the D actually get control of the puck and get it to him on his wing, it seems to me that the play dies with him time and time again as he feebly attempts to chip it to nobody in particular (part of this is poor coaching). Half the time he ends up on his rump. I point him out, as I think he’s one of the worst culprits on the team, but the whole team looks like they’ve been put on a budget to save $$ on sticks. I’m always amazed at how “strong on your stick” the Detroit, St. L, and LA teams are compared to Edm–including their smaller players. Good teams chop wood on the boards–while the Oilers do that skittery one-handed-fish-for-it thing. I heard Hitchcock talk about trying to teach MP to play “through” players. Is this coaching that Oiler players seem to have never heard, or worse: that they’ve never paid heed?

    3. Their speed seems to have slowed through the neutral zone since Renney. Instead of putting the D on their heels and causing grief with the gaps, they slow down or skate diagonally and wait for numbers (which I think is a coached system). Typically this results in the D man shoring up the gap at the blue-line and either causing a turnover or disrupting the play. If the Oilers gain the zone they usually post up and throw some weak sauce back to a trailing player who then either loses it or attempts to chip it in the corner as there is zero plan of attack. Yak and Ebs have been brutal at this, and I’ve seen in it creeping into Hall’s game (probably due to his knee). This team must play North-South because they do not have the big bodies to slow the game down. Hopefully they can also add “playing through opponents” to their game.

    End Rant.

  44. Washingtron says:

    MacT has a few responsibilities as GM. Arguably, the main one is player/personnel acquisition/management. He’s only had 20 months, sure, but how has he used them? I’d say between taking a flyer on Eakins (cost them a FULL SEASON) and crossing his fingers at center (and D and in net) (COSTING THEM ANOTHER SEASON), maybe he isn’t the “smart hockey man” everyone says he is. Getting Perron for MP+ and coaching the team to the finals 8 (!) years ago just isn’t enough in the good column to outweigh the staggering heaping stinking piles in the bad column. His choices put us at the cap, stalled or erased player development, and LITERALLY cost us two seasons. Things were bad when he got here? How are they now?

    I worry so many of us have Katz blinders on.

    That being said, I am fully open to hearing reasons why he is a smart hockey man. I can’t think of any but I’d actually love to hear some. It will allow me to sleep at night.

  45. Aitch says:

    For those that don’t believe the Oilers are building towards Rogers Place, Eakins let the cat out of the bag yesterday. Winning this year or next is not the plan. For all the talk about Lowe and MacTavish hating to win, I bet you they love winning even more. Hell, we already know what winning has done for Lowe. He knows a thing or two about it. The two of them and Katz were willing to lose and lose hard for some time in order to build up a massive core of 1st rounders. And they hoped that the fans would buy into it as well. Even Hall’s quote to Spector , “It would be a shame to leave the group now. It wouldn’t feel right. It wouldn’t be a good feeling to leave the group in the stage we’re at. We want to make it to the final stage; we want to be a contending team in this league.”. He knows it. He’s known it from the start. He’s been promised the Yzerman experience – suck hard for the first part of your career, then be part of perennial contender for the rest of it.

  46. Washingtron says:

    wuthering,

    RE: Rant 3. I was going to mention this. I watched the game this morning and realized that I used to love watching Ebs and Hall early on because they played in straight lines. The second either of them had the puck they were flying toward the O zone at full speed. Now, they play this loopy round game with no dynamism. The D is always in position where they used to be backpedalling and pooping a little.

    It also seems like we go offside more than any team in history, but that might just be my fury headache speaking…

  47. Bag of Pucks says:

    Early days obviously but I was encouraged by what I saw of Nelson behind the bench last night. Lots of in-game teaching, positive reinforcement and some much needed ‘rah rah’ in the third.

    Could never understand why Eakins was so passive and non-verbal in game, especially when the team was flat. He was obviously of the school of thought that players are too distracted in game for teaching to be effective, preferring video and practise instruction instead. I don’t agree with this. A player is hugely receptive to insight and instruction in the moments after they’ve made a mistake, and doing it then, creates the possibility that should the same scenario occur later in the game, the lesson can be applied immediately.

    This team is pretty passive and fragile. I think they’ll benefit tremendously from having a more confident, vocal and energetic presence on the bench. Honestly, I thought the 2nd period dip last night was partially due to the fact that they actually came out of the gates strong in the 1st for a change, and when that adrenalin dissipated they lagged in the second.

    My big worry atm is that MacT micromanages this situation to Nelson’s detriment. I would think Nelson’s smart enough to realize that the only way he outlasts the interim tag is by winning, and as a result, he should steer this ship to his own compass.

  48. bendelson says:

    Woodguy: FWIW I had heard there was a Perron-Anisimov deal done in principle this summer.

    Then Johansen contract talks delayed the trade.

    Then Dubinsky had to get abdominal surgery and Letestu goes on the IR as well

    Just as Dubinsky is coming back we hear all the “CBJ/EDM trade about to happen” with both Anisimov and Perron mentioned(Freidman and others had it)

    Then Anisimov tears his tricep.

    MacT *might* have had a solution but his trade PDO is at an all time low.

    The Hockey Gords punish hubris mightily.

    I want to believe this. I really do…
    But where was the back-up plan?
    Still waiting for the back-up plan!

  49. sliderule says:

    You know it might help if the defence stayed in their lanes.

    On coyotes first goal Ference (who was Brutal all night ) got caught over right beside Petry on his wrong side leaving the lane he should be on wide open.There was no backchecker but if he was in his lane he could have covered as puck started high.Maybe can’t get his mentors swarm out of his system?

    I hope Nelson can get them making changes when safe as the last goal against was on a bad change .Hall gets a minus when he comes on late and tries to but can’t get into play to cover..The coyotes announcer even said the first goal was partly caused by another brutal change.

  50. Unicorns says:

    SwedishPoster,

    This is right on the mark. There has been a lack of creativity and usage that makes sense is never given enough time to become productive. They just fall back into the same failing patterns. What do they have to lose at this point?

    IMO they have complete freedom to experiment and pump players for trade – there is no hope of playoffs so preparation for next season can coincide with ‘draft positioning’ and ‘player positioning’ with no ill effects.

    When Eakins referred to patience, we still need to separate steps out of the time line. It may take five years to become a Cup winner or a persistent contender, but it could take five games to start playing sound hockey.

    Better players are available for use. They may not make the team good, but they may bring them up from bad.

  51. Bag of Pucks says:

    Btw, if I’m Nelson, the minute that MacT heads back upstairs, I take the team out on my tab, get them rip roaring drunk and I have one of those ‘lets get everything on the table’ team bonding for life evenings that can only happen when everyone lets their guards down.

    The team will lose the next game with brutal hangovers but it will be hugely worth it in the long run.

    “One for all & all for one.” A little dated I know, but a mite better than ‘Carry water & chop wood?’

  52. G Money says:

    LT: “The Hockey Gods are dinks, pricks, and asshats.”

    LOL – tell us how you really feel LT!

  53. DocFan says:

    Maybe I’m the optimist, but I think we are a few tweaks away from some perceivable improvement.
    One real NHL C – a third liner even, makes all the difference – Push Drai to the wing, Arco gets soft 2nds, Gordon can continue his dominance on the “fourth” line, and RNH stays RNH.

    I agree with LT that Ference has upped his game, but we have maybe another 12 months of hockey left in him. Did anyone else notice the plays dying on his stick in the 3rd period last night with hail mary soft shots from the point that were either deflected out of play or easily gloved by Dubs?

    I had told myself 12 hrs before Eakins was fired that I was taking a 20 game hiatus. Then this happens and I’m interested again to see what happens.

    If there was ever a sports organization with the uncanny ability to keep you just engaged enough…..

  54. hunter1909 says:

    smellyglove: Anyone else annoyed by Eakins comments last night?

    He’s a crawler.

    Khlhfs: Does anyone else get the feeling that this team (under Eakins) was being coached purely for Corsi?

    Yes.

    book¡je: I’m worried about that cat.

    That cat will never worry about you. Stop being silly.

    wuthering: Ference is the most embarrassing captain since Corson. I think he thinks he’s Bieksa.

    Agreed, and I’m a Bieska fan.

    Frank The Dog,

    I don’t give a rat’s ass what dog says about a cat.

  55. HiddenDarts says:

    Would it be wrong for the fans to raise some money so Schultz can take some self-defense training or something equivalently macho?? Maybe Krav Maga, maybe Boxing. Something to get those chest hairs growing.

    It’s clear right now he’s from the Ladies Tea-time Club-school of bruising physicality, which makes for a patently awful defenseman. Just awful.

    In fact, at this point I’m not sure he could even be a winger at this point. The kid plays terrified. Like he’s the posterboy for Osteoporosis and he’s one hipcheck from crumbling.

    It was great to see Nelson on the bench last night, but I’d be lying if I told you I didn’t fear for his career. This team can’t be an easy one to base your future on.

    One more thing: Arco is Arco, yes, but last night’s game at least tells us what many of us already knew: Gagner was DEFINITELY addition by subtraction for the Oilers.

  56. fifthcartel says:

    I really liked his summer moves, but the split of time for the defense has been crazy most nights. The decisions on Gazdic, Ference, Schultz, and now Petry are getting too much to ignore.

  57. Frank The Dog says:

    hunter1909: I don’t give a rat’s ass what dog says about a cat.

    You just made me spit my coffee all over my keyboard. You bastard.

  58. G Money says:

    HiddenDarts: Would it be wrong for the fans to raise some money so Schultz can take some self-defense training or something equivalently macho?? Maybe Krav Maga, maybe Boxing. Something to get those chest hairs growing.

    Hell, I’ll teach him Muay Thai myself if that would help. Honestly, Justin Schultz does look like one of the few NHLers this chubby late 40s (but experienced!) martial artist could actually beat up.

  59. Hammers says:

    Seems like we are all saying the same thing relative to players from OKL . Trouble is we have been saying it for weeks . Here’s hoping Nelson convinces McT to let him make a few changes .I agree with those saying Leon gets to many Ozone starts but maybe the answer is to give Leon both Hall & Ebs thereby giving them more O time .. RNH is proving he can handle the tough going so give him Purcell & Perron . All i’m thinking is how to redistribute both the players and there ice time .I would still give Gordon better players, right now Yak & Pitlick .It boggles the mind the different options they have with these forwards but we just keep seeing the same ideas.

  60. go_oil says:

    I respect Craig MacTavish and think he’s a smart guy but there are some things about this Edmonton Oilers team he created that are fatally flawed. If we see Martin Marincin recalled and Brandon Davidson sent down; if we see Iiro Pakarinen or Anton Lander or even Curtis Hamilton recalled and Luke Gazdic sent to the press box;

    Wholeheartedly agree. Bringing Lander and Pakarinen up would at least create some more competition up the middle and on the wings. Gazdic just doesn’t have the hockey skills to contribute in the line-up. And I hope Marincin gets another chance too.

    I think Nelson will help turn things around in the next 50 to take the Oilers out of the McDavid/Eichel sweepstakes (is that a blessing or a curse?). I hope he brings the “greasy Baron’s” identity to the Oilers in getting the most out of his players and kickstarts all the underachieving skill on this team.

  61. AZOIL says:

    McSorley33:
    Woodguy,

    This team needs more drivers and more garbage men.
    *************************************************************
    Completely agree with your line of thinking….but some have been saying this – garbage men – for a long time.

    Exhibit A – Purcell– I actually liked him at first….but man.

    I suspect we will be saying the same thing next year – need more garbage men to score garbage goals….

    Find a way to get Simmonds here, he is our gritty winger that can stand in front of the net and clean up!

  62. Clay says:

    Woodguy:

    MacT *might* have had a solution but his trade PDO is at an all time low.

    Actually chortled at this. If only we had GM’ing stats. Or organizational stats.

    Then again, it’s probably good we don’t. The Oilers don’t need to be worst in the NHL at something else too.

  63. AZOIL says:

    Frank The Dog:
    I’m not sure what everyone expected from MacT and Nelson for last night’s game.The lineup had been set, the lines and pairings had practiced together, all they could do was move the minutes around a bit, and improve the mood of the players.

    I think they did pretty well in the circumstances. The team came out well, fell back into their old ways in the second, and came back rejuvenated in the third. Of course we all prefer a win, but there’s not much narrower a loss than .3 seconds from a coin flip.

    I’d suspect (because I don’t know) that Scrivens’ performance was more due to having his old goalie coach back and I also suspect with Chabot gone we will start seeing a competitive goalie tandem in place for the remainder.

    Our first true tells will start today when we see whether there are any call-ups from OKC and then tomorrow when we see the lineups and pairings, and then the tweaks and minutes in the game itself.

    But there is a concern that Dallas and MacT were much tighter even than we realized, and that some of the worst of the calls may in fact continue to come from MacT or above.

    Totally agree, last night they likely told the players to go out and play the game your used to playing. It will be the the next 20 games that will really tell us anything about the new bench bosses, not the first one where Nelson flew in the night before.

  64. LMHF#1 says:

    Random crazy thought:

    1 – The Oilers can’t score.
    2 – Brad Hunt can score at the AHL level.
    3 – Brad Hunt can’t defend.
    4 – Play Brad Hunt at wing?

  65. book¡je says:

    LMHF#1:
    Random crazy thought:

    1 – The Oilers can’t score.
    2 – Brad Hunt can score at the AHL level.
    3 – Brad Hunt can’t defend.
    4 – Play Brad Hunt at wing?

    Random Crazy Thought

    1. Brand Hunt can’t defend
    2. Bring up Martin Marincin and send Brad Hunt down.

  66. HiddenDarts says:

    G Money: Hell, I’ll teach him Muay Thai myself if that would help.Honestly, Justin Schultz does look like one of the few NHLers this chubby late 40s (but experienced!) martial artist could actually beat up.

    I would pay Corporate box prices to see this live. Like not one seat, like the entire box.

  67. Dicky94 says:

    wuthering,

    Yes I agree. Ference should be stripped of his captaincy. It is time to give it to Hall and see if in fact he does want to lead this team out of the gutter. Ference is a #6 or 7 d man on a good team. Three times last night the Oilers had a great cycle going and were pushing the play. The puck came to him each time and he would just throw it at Dubnyk for an easy whistle. Almost certain he will be dealt at the deadline.

  68. knighttown says:

    In my typical fashion, I’ll take the opposite viewpoint on a few items this morning:

    1. There was glimpses of the old Schultz last night. That rush was unbelievable and there were a few other real nice offensive forays. Saying that, he got beat cleanly twice on one-on-one plays. There are many NHL defensemen who don’t get beat that badly twice in a season. But at least, and this isn’t saying much, you could see that he was a threat to produce offense. The next 50 games of Justin Schultz are the most interesting and least talked about storyline of the year. He needs ti be qualified at 3.75ish or he becomes a UFA and he simply CAN’T be qualified at that price if he looks anything like he has. He will also be untradeable too. Teams make trades in-season for two reason; 1) to improve for a playoff run…that’s not Justin Schultz, or 2) for long term gain, but again, whoever trades for him will have to qualify him at nearly 4 million dollars and no one is doing that. If he has a great last half of the season it opens up so many options for the Oilers.

    2. Teddy getting a lot of hate last night that I don’t quite get. Nuges goal was 50% on Purcell for that incredible d-man drive. He also picked a half dozen pucks out of the air, killed penalties well and played well defensively. Maybe its the NFLD connection but he reminds of Michael Ryder without the killer shot but with a bit more defense. He can’t skate at all but he’s got really soft hands and passes well. Saying all of that, I agree with LT that he’s not a fit for this team. People will compare all three vet winger acquisitions; Perron, Poo and Purcell but that’s not really fair. He was basically the necessary take-back to a Sam Gagner salary dump. They certainly didn’t write down a target list and have his name on the top like they did with Niki Nikitin. They (wisely) dumped Sam’s salary, took Teddy back and are giving him a shot but I don’t think they’re married to the guy. I see him competing for ice time going forward with guys like Arco, Lander, Pitlick, Gazdic, Iiro and Pinno.

    3. The Yak situation is frightening because he is playing well and even looks to be playing with confidence. And even with that, his production is abysmal. He can’t skate well enough to pull away from people like Nuge and Hall. He isn’t nearly as elusive as Eberle. He hits a bit but who cares; he can’t win board battles like Smyth. He has an excellent shot, and this is the biggest thing, he can’t find a way to get it off. So, say he shoots like Kessel. He doesn’t have Kessel’s other high end skills that allow him to get to scoring areas. That leaves the offense to come from other people’s work like a Vrbata or Ryder. But does he have their underrated skill in finding that soft spot in the offensive zone? He doesn’t seem to. I will acknowledge that the kid has pretty good vision and passing skills.

    4. I’m OK with Brad Hunt playing over Marincin as a power play specialist. It’s costing them games and he’s worth (another) try. Ideally he comes in for Schultz but that isn’t going to happen. It’s Davidson that’s competing with Marincin and that’s the one I don’t get. That’s only topped by playing Gazdic over Lander. Or even Lander over Draisatl for awhile. Or to spell Arcobello for a night or two. Anton Lander needs to be on this roster tomorrow.

  69. DocFan says:

    Dicky94:
    wuthering,

    Yes I agree. Ference should be stripped of his captaincy. It is time to give it to Hall and see if in fact he does want to lead this team out of the gutter.Ference is a #6 or 7 d man on a good team. Three times last night the Oilers had a great cycle going and were pushing the play. The puck came to him each time and he would justthrow it at Dubnyk for an easy whistle. Almost certain he will be dealt at the deadline.

    I noticed the exact same thing. One specific play….cycle in the coyotes end…Eberle drop passes to Ference at the blue line…he bobbles the puck and instead of passing down the wall back to Eberle, he throws the puck in a panicked fashion to Dubs. End of cycle.

  70. AZOIL says:

    Dicky94:
    wuthering,

    Yes I agree. Ference should be stripped of his captaincy. It is time to give it to Hall and see if in fact he does want to lead this team out of the gutter.Ference is a #6 or 7 d man on a good team. Three times last night the Oilers had a great cycle going and were pushing the play. The puck came to him each time and he would justthrow it at Dubnyk for an easy whistle. Almost certain he will be dealt at the deadline.

    I have always liked RNH better for captain. He seems more apt to handle the pressure and is the model citizen. Not sure if he is one to speak up and ra ra the guys but he leads by example, puts his head down and goes to work every day, love the guy!!!

  71. Pouzar says:

    Dicky94,

    Winnipeg is crying for a d-man.

  72. The Full Nelson says:

    Man I was looking forward to the shootout, and already had my list worked out for MacT:

    RNH

    Hall

    Jultz

    #BecauseNorris

  73. GCW_69 says:

    Sports is a “what have you done for me lately?” business.

    What MacT had done is brought a 67 point season and one that could be less than 60 points.

    What he did as a coach is no longer relevant.

  74. G Money says:

    Dicky94: Almost certain he will be dealt at the deadline.

    NMC.

    Home town.

  75. Dicky94 says:

    Pouzar,

    Ya they are hurtin on d. Keep winning though which is good. Hopefully they can keep it up until they are healthy again.

  76. LMHF#1 says:

    book¡je: Random Crazy Thought

    1. Brad Hunt can’t defend
    2. Bring up Martin Marincin and send Brad Hunt down.

    YOU’RE MAD!!!

  77. stush18 says:

    knighttown,

    I dont understand the hate for purcell either. He killed penalties, played well defensively, and the plays dont die on his stick. If he play with a goal scorer he would be unreal. Unfortunately we only have maybe 3 30 goal scorers on this team (thats stretching it), and nothing from the backend. He is pretty good on the powerplay, he finds seams and passes quick and on the tape.

    He should be on the halfwall with hall and the far side, nuge in the middle and perron in front.

  78. TheOtherJohn says:

    Clay: This is absolutely correct.

    Sure the drafting record is poor.But the ability to recognize the proper value of players is poorer (poorerer?).The few useful drafted players are overlooked / sent away.

    It is a sign of either ineptitude or intentional tank.Take your pick!

    Since 2007 players drafted by the Oilers after the 1st round have scored 22 goals. Players drafted by the LAK after the 1st round.have scored 297 goals . A wee bit of a difference

  79. G Money says:

    This is what I imagine Nelson’s first day looked a bit like:

    http://i.imgur.com/kbpRqD8.png

  80. Jordan says:

    LMHF#1:
    Random crazy thought:

    1 – The Oilers can’t score.
    2 – Brad Hunt can score at the AHL level.
    3 – Brad Hunt can’t defend.
    4 – Play Brad Hunt at wing?

    Activate the MacBlender!

    RNH – Hall – Purcell
    Leon – Perron – Yak
    Arco – Hunt – Schultz
    Hendricks – Pitlick – Iiro

    Marincin – Petry
    Davidson – Fayne
    Aulie – Ferrence

    OH! OH! OH!

    I’ve got it! I’ve got the lottery-winning phrase!

    ..

    Ready?

    MacBlender for McDavid! XD

  81. The Full Nelson says:

    Patience Oiler fans – 2016 is Auston Matthews’ draft year:

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/meet-auston-matthews-the-next-next-nhl-draft-phenom/

    1) Roster askew for Auston Matthews

    2) Patience we ask you, for Auston Matthews

    3) Grumble grumble grumble…

  82. Cameron says:

    Khlhfs:
    Does anyone else get the feeling that this team (under Eakins) was being coached purely for Corsi? The shots on net are higher but does anyone honestly believe that this team is getting more quality scoring chances than it was a year or two years ago?

    ‘Coached for Corsi’? No.
    Is the goaltending somewhere between rotten and bankrupt? Yes.

  83. Frank The Dog says:

    Cameron: ‘Coached for Corsi’? No.
    Is the goaltending somewhere between rotten and bankrupt? Yes.

    I thought that Eakins didn’t get that sh% isn’t just blind luck. (He’s in good company apparently)
    But from his exit presser, he knew that to be a deficiency but wanted to ge the Corsi up before he addressed the sh%. Perhaps also address the game losing errors.
    I do think the goalies would have continued their upward trend though because of the goalie coaching change. Also had Eakins been able to cut down the stupid mistakes which may have been his downfall.
    Eakins obviously built a good relationship with key players, but it does look as if he coached them as individuals, rather than Nelson’s style to coach the individuals to play for each other. I like the way he was communicating with his players immediately right there on the bench.
    I’m hoping that Nellie can be given the freedom to make the best possible use of the players available here and in OKC with minimal, interference from MacT upwards.

  84. Kitchener says:

    book¡je,

    Cats have low terminal velocity. That cat would have a higher chance of surviving the fall than the Oil of making the playoffs.

  85. DocFan says:

    In other / good news, the fLames just lost their 6th in a row. Regression to the mean?

  86. Yeti says:

    Kitchener:
    book¡je,

    Cats have low terminal velocity.That cat would have a higher chance of surviving the fall than the Oil of making the playoffs.

    My cat used to do that all the time, perched perilously on the railings high above Saskatchewan Drive. Drove my wife nuts. It never fell, so I didn’t get to see just whether cats do survive that kind of thing. I’m guessing if it did fall, it would probably land on RNH’s head, knocking him out with concussion for the rest of the season.

  87. digdeepnbleedblue says:

    One thing:

    We need to give Nelson some time to correct the mistakes of the previous coach before we pass judgement on any and all players.

    That is all…. For now.

  88. The Full Nelson says:

    digdeepnbleedblue:
    One thing:

    We need to give Nelson some time to correct the mistakes of the previous coach before we pass judgement on any and all players.

    That is all…. For now.

    It’s as if the Oilers are a ’74 Vega, and Nelson is the mechanic. He’s got to drive it before he’ll know what’s wrong.

  89. spoiler says:

    A Cat’s Eye view from a precarious precipice?

    Isn’t the line Sing me back home before I die?

    Poor kitty. Although I do remember what it did in that Stephen King movie.

    And the last pic… Romy Schneider looking back from the typewriter from which she is “telling stories,” possibly writing the film she is in: Les Choses de la Vie, ie the things of life.

    I wonder if LT meant to hit a different Romy movie…. Death Watch?

    The other Schneider would have worked for MacT & his Merry Band of Outlaws Oilers too… Last Tango in Paris.

    But the more I think about it maybe Les Choses is the more appropriate choice… a film about a man remembering his life while lying in a field, dying after a horrible car accident… and it is all about being unable to make choices. And that’s what we will all have regrets about when we go… not when we chose and it was wrong, but when we were unable to make the choice at all and did not act one way or the other.

    That’s a lot of middle-aged angst in one post, LT. That Cup’s a coming I promise. You will get sung back home, sweet and sultry.

    Meanwhile we will continue to watch the car wreck…

    and pray MacT can choose between the safety of his wife and the risk of the woman he loves.

    Instead of walking the tightrope.

  90. frjohnk says:

    DocFan:
    In other / good news, the fLames just lost their 6th in a row. Regression to the mean?

    And because the flames lost, my flames buddy couldn’t brag they were doing better but was telling me this morning that Monahan just might be the best player except Mackinnon to come out of the 2013 draft.

    I told him its early but yeah he looks like the number 2 guy out of that draft so far.

    As for Calgary I don’t really care where they end up ( they wont make playoffs), I only care that the Oilers can win the season series against them. Gotta play for something

  91. PhrankLee says:

    I thought Calgary regressing to the meat was going to be comforting.

    I’m sour grapes all over this issue.

  92. My Darkest Days says:

    MacT must read this blog. Basically the next day after LT lost his innocence(optimism?), and Eakins is gone what are the odds.

    Also I changed my name, so good luck guessing who I am.

  93. Ice Sage says:

    Woodguy: The next question becomes “what are these men doing with all that good possession?” and comes the answer ‘not much’ and that’s the issue right there.This is something I’ve been kicking around in my head and noodling with a blog post (yeah right)Before Tyler’s blog went dark he was going down the path that “scoring goals isn’t offence, getting the puck to the ozone is offence”I was going to build on that and separate offence into 2 distinct functions:1) Getting the puck from the dzone to the ozone (corsi, zone exits, zone entires etc)2) Putting the puck in the net once its thereThese are two separate skills.The elite of the NHL excel at both.Some all stars only excel at the 2nd part.Some very good players who drive the play, but don’t finish are severely undervalued (although that is changing as we saw with the Pouliot and Stralman contracts)Balance must include some players from pile A and some from pile B and some who can do both. (players who can do neither need not apply)In addition to the “shooter” in the ozone you need the garbage man type on each line as well. They Ryan Smyths who specialize in 1 foot shots.Smyth’s slapshot couldn’t break a wet paper bag, but he shot 11.2% for his career because of where he shot from.There is also room for the creative passer who can create the one shot goal, but you can’t rely on that too much as 1 shot goals are pretty rare in this NHL with giant goalie in giant equipment who can do the splits like Nadia ComaneciWhat I see on the Oilers of the 4 types:Drivers of PlayRNHHallPouliotPetryGordonShootersRNHHallEberleYakPerron -kind ofGarbage menPerron – kind ofElite Ozone passersRNHHallYak (seriously)DrySaddleSchultzNot a pretty picture and the same names come up too often and others not at all.This team needs more drivers and more garbage men.

    I like the recipe – u r thinking like a coach with a big pool to select from (as I have for years of AAA minor hockey) – 3 parts snipe, 4 parts playmaking, 2 parts grit and a calm asshole between the pipes = decent hockey team.

    Klefbom has earned a mention in the ‘driver of play category’ IMO… too soon?

  94. PhrankLee says:

    Ice Sage: Klefbom has earned a mention in the ‘driver of play category’ IMO… too soon?

    I think so, personally. He reminded me of Lowe as a defender without the meanness. But since I have seen his rocket shot from the point I have him above Lowe in his day. The guy had an excellent, hard wrist shot but no real slapper that I remember.

  95. godot10 says:

    Frank The Dog:
    Quite honestly I think Dallas could do extraordinarily well in the broadcast booth.

    Not really. Eakins is a great talker, but it is all “truthiness”. Ray Ferraro is a great talker, but he tells the “truth”.

  96. spoiler says:

    PhrankLee:
    I thought Calgary regressing to the meat was going to be comforting.

    I’m sour grapes all over this issue.

    Maybe this old-timey refreshment “for all ages” will help?

  97. godot10 says:

    wuthering:
    A few rants (sorry LT, it’s not mathy):

    2. Eberle was once my favorite Oiler.The fact that he hasn’t won a board-battle since 2011 is beginning to bother me.

    Mike Bossy and Brett Hull and Wayne Gretzky never won a board battle either. A team is made up of a variety of different types of players.

  98. PhrankLee says:

    spoiler: Maybe this old-timey refreshment “for all ages” will help?

    I love when LT sneaks in references that pique my nostalgia.

    Bubble Up. Priceless.

    I used to order it at Shakey’s Pizza after a mindblowing hour at Circus Circus. It was Wonderland for me. Centennial Mall. We didn’t come into town much in those years.

    PSA: not intended to criticize the young or old whichever you may be. My eyes nearly bled to death reading last night’s dosie dough.

  99. kinger_OIL says:

    Kinger Stat of the Day: A friend just forwarded this to me: If the Coyotes fail to defeat the Kings on Saturday, they will be off until the 22 of December and that will mean that they will have gone an entire calendar month without beating any other teams but the Oilers.

  100. linkfromhyrule says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Kinger Stat of the Day: A friend just forwarded this to me:If the Coyotes fail to defeat the Kings on Saturday, they will be off until the 22 of December andthat will mean that they will have gone an entire calendar month without beating any other teams but the Oilers.

    They suck, but we suck better (worse?)

  101. spoiler says:

    Michaels & Stauffer:

    Klefbom skating better, suspect he will be ready to go tomorrow night.

  102. blainer says:

    Having Nelson as head coach means nothing if MacT determines the players he can have and the amount of ice time they get. I am quite certain MacT was calling the shots with Eakins and thats why he had a hard time firing him. MacT… give Nelson Full control of the players he wants from OKC and let him coach the way he see fit. The season is over now so let him Coach.. Full Stop.

  103. Bank Shot says:

    The problems with this hockey team are a lot bigger than the lack of Lander and Marincin.

    They might help marginally, but likely not make much if any difference at all.

    Marinicin I feel really gets overrated a lot on this blog. Why isn’t he doing anything at the AHL level if he’s the best LHD the Oilers have?

    It’s time to consider that perhaps Marincin’s corsi in the NHL last year was largely LUCK driven.

  104. Bank Shot says:

    blainer:
    give Nelson Full control of the players he wants from OKC and let him coach the way he see fit. The season is over now so let him Coach..Full Stop.

    Might as well go full Nelson even.

  105. spoiler says:

    Stauffer interviewing Nelson:

    Oiler fan growing up, very excited for the opportunity.

    Trotz and John Anderson his two biggest coaching influences.

    Tried to keep the boys’ mood loose and light yesterday.

    Needs to earn the trust of the players who don’t know him.

    Likes the fact they recovered from the second period and went after the game, didn’t play to lose. Wants to focus o positives. Every player already knows turning over the puck is bad and don’t need to be told that by the coach.

    Adjusts his bench presence depending on the context of the game. Tries to give the team what they need at the time.

  106. AZOIL says:

    Bank Shot:
    The problems with this hockey team are a lot bigger than the lack of Lander and Marincin.

    They might help marginally, but likely not make much if any difference at all.

    Marinicin I feel really gets overrated a lot on this blog. Why isn’t he doing anything at the AHL level if he’s the best LHD the Oilers have?

    It’s time to consider that perhaps Marincin’s corsi in the NHL last year was largely LUCK driven.

    I have thought this too, but we will only know unless they get him up here! I love his reach though, he seems so calm out there compared to some others I won’t mention by name.

  107. season not played says:

    Good possession numbers mean nothing when they’re all muffins into the crest.

  108. theres oil in virginia says:

    Seeing MacT make similar decisions that Eakins made regarding roster-deployment shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. Pretty much everyone, including MacT, has described Eakins as something of a MacT clone. I don’t see why this is seen as evidence that MacT was using Eakins as a puppet. They see things very much the same and were working together making these decisions.

    What’s surprising to me is that Eakins admitted that they (coaching and management) had no real expectation of making the playoffs last year, this year, or next year, and no one has uttered a peep about it.

  109. haters says:

    haters:
    LT, you think MacT is a smart guy ? Like smart dresser or he has a sharp wit ? Asking because how can you think he’s so “smart” when almost every fan …. to a tee thought that he set this team up to fail? Again.

    I love this team. Always have. But I can’t stomach this apathy any longer. I know you’re trying to see positives and I respect your opinions and love the articles but the buck stops when you start calling that man “smart”…..

  110. Frank The Dog says:

    digdeepnbleedblue:
    One thing:

    We need to give Nelson some time to correct the mistakes of the previous coach before we pass judgement on any and all players.

    That is all…. For now.

    How many games would it be fair to give him to put his stamp on the team? 5? 15? 120?

  111. spoiler says:

    theres oil in virginia: What’s surprising to me is that Eakins admitted that they (coaching and management) had no real expectation of making the playoffs last year, this year, or next year, and no one has uttered a peep about it.

    I don’t think anyone is upset that management wasn’t viewing this roster through rose-coloured glasses.

    He didn’t actually comment about next year, just that the goal was to win a series or two the year the new building opens. That may or may not mean making the playoffs next year, but obviously they were hoping to improve year on year towards their goal.

  112. B S says:

    Yeti: My cat used to do that all the time, perched perilously on the railings high above Saskatchewan Drive. Drove my wife nuts. It never fell, so I didn’t get to see just whether cats do survive that kind of thing. I’m guessing if it did fall, it would probably land on RNH’s head, knocking him out with concussion for the rest of the season.

    Falls of less than 4 stories are the biggest risk for for cats. As Kitchener said, they have a low terminal velocity so they can survive falls as long as they land on their feet, but they need a couple of stories to twist around to get their feet under them. most fatal falls for cats happen from between two and three stories up. The bigger concern is getting hit by a car once they land.

    The Oilers are on the street already. Lets hope they get back to the door.

  113. B S says:

    Frank The Dog: How many games would it be fair to give him to put his stamp on the team? 5? 15? 120?

    According to MacT, ~110.

  114. Eastern Oil says:

    season not played:
    Good possession numbers mean nothing when they’re all muffins into the crest.

    This is wrong, to even attempt a “muffin into the crest” you need to be able to get the puck to a shooting area. It’s how often you can do this in a game compared to the other team that is important.

    It isn’t a black and white debate, analytics has a important role when used in the proper context. You don’t need to go all in, or always rail against it.

  115. Clay says:

    godot10: Mike Bossy and Brett Hull and Wayne Gretzky never won a board battle either.A team is made up of a variety of different types of players.

    GODOT THINKS EBERLE IS AS GOOD AS GRETZ AND BOSSY AND THE GOLDEN BRETT!!

    GODOT THINKS EBERLE IS AS GOOD AS GRETZ AND BOSSY AND THE GOLDEN BRETT!!

    *the pot has been sufficiently stirred*

  116. digdeepnbleedblue says:

    The Full Nelson: It’s as if the Oilers are a ’74 Vega, and Nelson is the mechanic. He’s got to drive it before he’ll know what’s wrong.

    Works for me.

  117. Frank The Dog says:

    Bank Shot:
    The problems with this hockey team are a lot bigger than the lack of Lander and Marincin.

    They might help marginally, but likely not make much if any difference at all.

    Marinicin I feel really gets overrated a lot on this blog. Why isn’t he doing anything at the AHL level if he’s the best LHD the Oilers have?

    It’s time to consider that perhaps Marincin’s corsi in the NHL last year was largely LUCK driven.

    This is such a crock. You either accept stats or you do not. You can’t pretend it’s just LUCK when someone you don’t like for whatever reason does better than fits your narrative. Good stats are good stats.
    You can argue other stats, such as zone start, Quality of opposition, scoring effects, WOWY, etc but invoking sheer luck doesn’t fly.

    Krueger is another one that doesn’t fit narratives. It’s true that he enjoyed a high sh%. Maybe it would have regressed to the mean due to tactics by opposing coaches. Maybe he got a team that hit the ice in mid season form due to playing in OKC together. Fair enough. But his shot quality was high and Dallas’ shot quality was abysmal, Krueger also played entirely WC opponents and the Oil haven’t beaten one of them. If were going to invoke luck for Eakins team sh% and Krueger’s team’s sh% then you may as well just replace your stats with your preferred narrative. It amounts to the same thing!

  118. digdeepnbleedblue says:

    Frank The Dog: How many games would it be fair to give him to put his stamp on the team? 5? 15? 120?

    By reading this I’m guessing you’re going with zero….

  119. Frank The Dog says:

    season not played:
    Good possession numbers mean nothing when they’re all muffins into the crest.

    I believe there are some that believe that sh% is luck based and like a coin flip regress to the mean over time. *So even if all of your shots are muffins, if you shoot enough the goalie will get tired of stopping them and will let them in, allowing the sh% and the save% to regress to the mean.

    No different to the monkeys on typewrites theory.

  120. Yeti says:

    B S: The Oilers are on the street already. Lets hope they get back to the door.

    Too late. They got hit by a truck.

  121. regwald says:

    digdeepnbleedblue: By reading this I’m guessing you’re going with zero….

    My guess is 5 games after MacT leaves the bench.

  122. "Frank The Dog" says:

    digdeepnbleedblue: By reading this I’m guessing you’re going with zero….

    Not at all. It was an honest question. I’m thinking 10 before we can see whether he is making his own calls or is making the best of MacT’s demands.
    I have a lot of faith in this man’s ability to turn this around based on what he has done in OKC. If he puts together a bunch of weird line combos and sits the wrong people, I’ll believe it’s MacT on up doing the damage. Left to himself this man will get full value out of the combined OKC and Edm roster.

  123. season not played says:

    Eastern Oil: This is wrong, to even attempt a “muffin into the crest” you need to be able to get the puck to a shooting area.It’s how often you can do this in a game compared to the other team that is important.

    It isn’t a black and white debate, analytics has a important role when used in the proper context.You don’t need to go all in, or always rail against it.

    You’re right, it is not a black and white issue. My statement should indeed be amended. I would substitute “nothing” with “very little” and add “harmless shots from the perimeter” to “muffins into the crest”.

  124. digdeepnbleedblue says:

    “Frank The Dog”: Not at all. It was an honest question. I’m thinking 10 before we can see whether he is making his own calls or is making the best of MacT’s demands.
    I have a lot of faith in this man’s ability to turn this around based on what he has done in OKC. If he puts together a bunch of weird line combos and sits the wrong people, I’ll believe it’s MacT on up doing the damage. Left to himself this man will get full value out of the combined OKC and Edm roster.

    Fair enough. And, yes, you are right. 10 games is what I would say too. Though, I’d say after one game we have already saw some positives. But, that’s just me.

  125. And your name is? says:

    smellyglove:
    Can you guarantee that Lowe and Howson don’t have input (control)?

    I was thinking about the taint meme while driving yesterday. Here’s what I came up with:

    Taint remover: useless until the last drop.

    The thing about the purity axis (connected by a thick knob of tendon to the us/them knee bone) is that it never gets blamed when half measures accomplish nothing. With most things, you start the process and monitor results. If you see no improvement halfway through, you maybe pause to rethink things.

    In a world where the last line of defense against Sarah Palin being a single plate of fettuccine Alfredo away from the nuclear launch codes was Steven Colbert and Bill Maher, I’ve got bigger things to worry about than the celerity of Lowe’s pasteurisation.

    In business, you see someone kicked upstairs and you go “oh, that’s the end of him, he’s been neutered”.

    We all know the story (stereotypically Jewish) about the mother and son dyad who fail to fully individuate: he’s a momma’s boy. (And he better come from money, ’cause the only way he’s getting hitched.)

    If you don’t believe in the human capacity to individuate, then the idea of a decision maker consulting flawed individuals is a hard one to bear. (Apparently, God made one flawless individual, and then he broke the mold.) If one has no faith in individuation from within, one soon leans on segregation from without.

    Whatever else he is—good or bad—I see MacT as being his own man. If that’s not already strong enough to damp down the random flapping of Six Ring’s authentic Trump hairpiece, I just don’t want to go there.

    Furthermore, it’s dangerous to presume that people reach such an extreme state of uselessness that they can no longer change, evolve, or learn from their past mistakes. This nucleus of thought—once kiln dried with essence of encomium and boot shined to the max with the us/them total makeover—soon pulls into a train station named “Waste of Skin”. Most people see the light and debark this train while it’s still ambling around in back woods, milk-run countryside, but all too many fall asleep in their comfortable cabins shared with their fraternal cabin mates and don’t wake up again until far from home.

    The question I’m asking here, is why ride this train for even one stop? I wouldn’t. Not even as a loose, unpaid passenger. What could go wrong? (If that’s the back end as the caption indicates, it must be configured as a push-me-pull-you affair.)

    Purity and taint are the ultimate groin shot to all things linear. The least linear mathematical object is the 0/1 step filter.

    We know this from way back.

    The earliest references describe a piper, dressed in multicolored (“pied”) clothing, leading the children away from the town never to return. In the 16th century the story was expanded into a full narrative, in which the piper is a rat-catcher hired by the town to lure rats away with his magic pipe. When the citizenry refuses to pay for this service, he retaliates by turning his power that he put in his instrument on their children, leading them away as he had the rats.

    It’s no accident that this story ultimately eats its own tail, in that the taint-remover becomes the toxin. Noah’s flood vs the purity grass fire. In a short bout, I’m betting on the grass fire. Legolas is so far ahead of Gimli before the trickle turns into a torrent, it hardly matters what comes of the Pied Piper witch hunt.

    This entire metaphorical cluster is white phosphorous. There’s just no way around it.

    (My apologies to Lowetide for taking a risky satellite pass over the no-fly zone, and to Maxwell House for equating their fine coffee product with recalcitrant turpentine.)

    ———

    My first mental imaging on waking this morning in a bed of fresh hay was hula-hooping water balloons tethered to slack-jawed staplers, with these improbable bolas assembled and amassed in barrage formation. After a few moments of languishing haplessly in my warm sack, I sloganized this image as “kaleidoscope of razor-sharp incoherence”, though this retains a private meaning. For me, incoherence is a viable building block. I figure that if evolution can do it, so I can I.

    The other night I had to cut my drug. I’ve never mixed powders before. One page I found told the story of an advanced specialist in mixing problems. He said, “most of my clients show up with samples containing visible clumps, not understanding that random mixing produces visible clumps”. The best tip I got was to use dissimilar colours, so I mixed myself up some cocoa-puffs, with nine parts Fry’s powdered chocolate to one part capsule guts (I emptied and repacked sixty tiny little #4 capsules by hand, what a lark that was). The capsule guts were already 3 mg active ingredient in a 100 mg capsule bolus, so my sleep-tonight cocoa-puffs are now down to the 1:300 range.

    The larger point here is that disorder has a lot more structure than people think. Order is mainly confined to tiny islands. The hanging vines that swing between these isolated islands all dangle down from Nemo’s bean patch.

  126. Bank Shot says:

    Frank The Dog: This is such a crock. You either accept stats or you do not. You can’t pretend it’s just LUCK when someone you don’t like for whatever reason does better than fits your narrative.Good stats are good stats.
    You can argue other stats, such as zone start, Quality of opposition, scoring effects, WOWY, etc but invoking sheer luck doesn’t fly.

    Why not?

    Luck is a big part of the reasoning behind ever other stat we see regression in. Sh%, sv %, on ice sh %, on ice save %.

    I’d argue a guy like Crosby has a big impact on his corsi but the average nhler is way more subject to linemates/ quality of linemates and opp/zone starts and just plain luck.

    You can’t use luck as an explanation for all the Unknowables and then just assume it doesn’t effect corsi as well.

  127. G Money says:

    Frank The Dog: How many games would it be fair to give him to put his stamp on the team? 5? 15? 120?

    I’ve looked at Corsi trends after coaching changes, and an argument can be made that a new coach puts his (measurable) stamp on a team after 20 games or so.

    Frank The Dog: *So even if all of your shots are muffins, if you shoot enough the goalie will get tired of stopping them and will let them in, allowing the sh% and the save% to regress to the mean.

    I would say it’s a false dichotomy to put it that way.

    I agree, claiming variances in sh% as being 100% luck is of course ridiculous. Shooting is a skill, of course it differs from team to team.

    But the flip side is that your argument suggests that team sh% is a 100% repeatable skill. The data shows (unequivocally) that it is not. In fact, the long-term difference in sh% across teams is surprisingly (unintuitively) narrow.

    So a huge part of the variation is in fact luck.

    Not all. Certainly not all.

    But a large percentage.

    That’s why unusually high or low sh% inevitably regress, even as there is a real difference in sh% in the comparative teams.

  128. McSorley33 says:

    I really hope the Oilers are taking a look at KHL players. The situation is so bad – some teams are likely to fold before the year is out.

    This situation requires immediate attention in my opinion. Unique opportunity to sweet talk or at least identify talent now. Establish contact now. Today.

    Slava Malamud ( sp?) saying no fear in Yakupov coming back….none.

    So Linus Omark can score in the AHL and the KHL but no room for him in the NHL?

    Yes, I am going to be that beat dead horse.

    Top 21 KHL Scorers 2014

    Top 21points Leaders for KHL ( was going to do top 20 but at # 21 caught my eye )

    Name Team GP G A Pts PIM
    Alexander Radulov CSKA Moscow 33 17 36 53 131
    Ilya Kovalchuk St. Petersburg SKA 38 22 25 47 57
    Jan Kovar Magnitogorsk Metallurg 38 16 30 46 22
    Steve Moses Jokerit Helsinki 39 26 17 43 8
    Artem Panarin St. Petersburg SKA 37 19 24 43 33
    Dustin Boyd Astana Barys 37 15 26 41 20
    Brandon Bochenski Astana Barys 39 15 26 41 20
    Denis Parshin Omsk Avangard 39 20 21 41 30
    Denis Zaripov Magnitogorsk Metallurg 38 17 24 41 34
    Stephane Da Costa CSKA Moscow 27 21 19 40 8
    Vadim Shipachev St. Petersburg SKA 27 9 29 38 12
    Sergei Mozyakin Magnitogorsk Metallurg 27 18 20 38 12
    Nigel Dawes Astana Barys 39 23 15 38 24
    Matt Ellison Minsk Dynamo 36 16 22 38 30
    Kirill Koltsov Ufa Salavat Yulayev 40 11 25 36 16
    Jonathan Cheechoo Minsk Dynamo 32 16 20 36 30
    Linus Omark Jokerit Helsinki 39 12 23 35 12
    Wojtek Wolski Nizhny Novgorod Torpedo 31 19 15 34 22
    Jan Mursak CSKA Moscow 37 14 19 33 14
    Dmitri Kugryshev Novosibirsk Sibir 33 12 21 33 47
    Vladimir Sobotka Omsk Avangard 39 7 25 32 39

  129. godot10 says:

    Frank The Dog: How many games would it be fair to give him to put his stamp on the team? 5? 15? 120?

    It isn’t fair to start counting until MacT is out from behind the bench. If MacT wants to coach, he should coach, but this “helicopter GM” stuff is just madness.

  130. shiraz says:

    Is DK willing to spend enough without salary cap consequences to immediately improve the team?

    ie Craig Babcock … @ $4.500,000 US >>> more valuable than Nikita N ??

    Possible or dreaming in Technicolor ??

    Thoughts

  131. LMHF#1 says:

    McSorley33:
    I really hope the Oilers are taking a look at KHL players.The situation is so bad – some teams are likely to fold before the year is out.

    Need to be raiding the KHL in the summer if not sooner. 100%

    Imagine the hay Sather would make with these possibilities in his prime.

  132. TheOtherJohn says:

    Goals were easier to score in the NHL in the 1980’s but have to assume Godot knows that Mike Bossy had 241 goals by age 24 in the NHL. Gretzky had 353 in NHL at that same age.Can see why you were thinking of both of them when looking for comparator for Eberle and his 102 goals.

    Do not think the difference in goal scoring frequency explains the vast difference between the 3 players

  133. G Money says:

    Updated. I like this version of “Todd Nelson’s First Day” much better.

    http://i.imgur.com/FqpbWlK.png

  134. Eastern Oil says:

    season not played,

    Then we are much closer to coming to an agreement. Sorry if my response came across as curt.

    I do believe the Oil have made a step forward this year with their possession numbers, but agree with you that they still need to do a lot of things better to make that count.

  135. Unicorns says:

    godot10: godot

    Godot are you old enough to have watched Gretzky in his prime much? I would be more comfortable saying he never lost a board battle.

    He didn’t have to muck it out because he had enough talent to get the puck by his wits. And if anyone did get a puck from him they didn’t have it very long. RNH has a similar way of stealing pucks – anticipation and a quick stick.

    As for Eakins possession system, if you are willing to play on the perimeter most teams will give you that all game long. You can get lots of shots that are really low quality and have the puck a lot and a low team SH%.

    As for Seguins ‘breakout year’, his SH% is through the roof (19.5 vs career 12.3). Giroux is only a few points back and has a 6% SH%, 5.5% off average. Now that is a good player. Jultz for Giroux!

  136. freedomisamyth says:

    Lowetide and Woodguy, I respect your guys’ thoughts a lot, and think you have the right ideas most of the time…but I can’t get behind a lot of the things you are saying here as reasons to think MacT needs to go – I think you are too blinded by the rest of the circus that’s gone on here this year, and looking too much on the short term as well as putting too much into thinking what’s been going on is part of the ‘plan’.

    Lets go over a few things mentioned today:
    If we see Martin Marincin recalled and Brandon Davidson sent down;
    – If you believe that Marincin needs more developing, and he can do that better at the AHL level, why would you do something short sighted like bringing him up when he is low in confidence, just because he is a better player today than Davidson? The season is lost, why are we focusing on putting on the best possible team today when there may be better options for the best possible team next year when it matters again?

    if we see Iiro Pakarinen or Anton Lander or even Curtis Hamilton recalled and Luke Gazdic sent to the pressbox;
    – The hand wringing over Lander is baffling to me. Yes, he can score at the AHL level, on the Power play (his ES rates still aren’t great even at the AHL level) and yes, he’s a better player than Gazdic, but again, it won’t make any difference for this year, and they’ll likely score the same amount since Lander doesn’t score either. I’d like to see Iiro up too, to see more of what he can do, but if they think he has more to learn playing a bigger role before being thrown into the fire (like everyone and their dog complains about whenever a player is put in the lineup ‘too early’) then aren’t they doing the right thing? Again, season is over, do what’s best for development. I’d probably bring up Lander too just to throw shit at the wall so to speak, but I don’t think it’s a big deal either way.

    if we see some life in the power play;
    – if it improves, it’s not going to be because of the GM, so I don’t know why that is even in here.

    if we see David Perron or Jordan Eberle join Hall and Nuge on the top line;
    – Again, coaching decision, and not one I even agree with myself, but even if I did, having that part of the list of things that make you think MacT has to go, is laughable.

    if we see a concerted effort to get Nail Yakupov some significant power play time
    – Yak has gotten plenty of power play time. I don’t know how you can complain about that too much.,

    I tend to agree that I’m scared that MacT has blinders on when it comes to Schultz, but I’m hoping he’s just pumping tires in the verbal, and throwing ice time to him now in the hopes that he either develops, or puts up good counting numbers that make him more attractive to another team.

    Lowetide, you even keep harping about how MacT ‘convinced’ himself to go into this season with the centers he has as if it was something he wanted to do. Eakins definitely let the cat out of the bag in what their long term plan is here: in position to win playoff series’ by the new arena, but if they can do it faster, great. But the key thing is that they weren’t looking at the short term as the key thing here. There’s been a million things from the media that MacT has been looking for centers, so you can’t say that he doesn’t think it’s a problem. He hasn’t been willing to do a deal that he thinks compromises the long term for the short term. Yes, he hasn’t been able to provide a balanced roster, but you can only do what is available to do. Sure he could be ‘bold’ and make a move of the top of the lineup, which frankly might be the only way he can do it in the end, we’ll see, to bring balance, but why risk that on something you don’t think is a good bet, when you think the team still has developing to do anyways?

    Everyone just seems to be so one dimensional in their thinking about every move this team does. There’s a lot of dimensions to every little decision.

  137. commonfan14 says:

    McSorley33: Ilya Kovalchuk St. Petersburg SKA 38 22 25 47 57

    Is it even possible for Kovalchuk to come back since he “retired” from the NHL already? Would there be cap consequences for the Devils?

    I didn’t really understand why he couldn’t just get his contract mutually terminated like Brunner just did.

    (Note: the second question above is obviously only hypothetical, as any “consequences” to the Devils would ultimately go away before coming into effect.)

  138. McSorley33 says:

    G Money:
    Updated.I like this version of “Todd Nelson’s First Day” much better.

    http://i.imgur.com/FqpbWlK.png

    Outstanding….

    ..

  139. McSorley33 says:

    commonfan14: Is it even possible for Kovalchuk to come back since he “retired” from the NHL already?Would there be cap consequences for the Devils?

    I didn’t really understand why he couldn’t just get his contract mutually terminated like Brunner just did.

    (Note: the second question above is obviously only hypothetical, as any “consequences” to the Devils would ultimately go away before coming into effect.)

    Great question…the reporter was asked about that ( Kovalchuk ) and he thought not likely because Kovalchuk meant more to the league that even just a hockey player. Symbol…..but if the league collapses outright. All bets are off.

    He also pointed out some of the teams that are not paying salaries in Rubles are in deep trouble as they are leveraged. Last team to fold was not Russian based.

    One player already withheld playing based on currency devaluation and that was 10 days ago…ruble has only degraded more since.

    He thought some imports might actually just bolt in season here. Import wives are not happy.

    Could be a very interesting summer….again, imo, interest needs to be expressed now – while most teams are busy trying to make the NHL playoffs.

  140. Adam Wu says:

    Every once in a while a “muffin” shot hits a weird rut in the ice and carooms in just under the top corner.

    Every once in a while a “muffin” shot catches a goaltender (human, non-matrix enhanced) napping.

    Every once in a while a “muffin” shot gets deflected in.

    A shot that is a “muffin” coming off the shooter’s stick is not a guarantee to be a low quality shot.

    Shoot enough “muffin” shots and goals will still come.

  141. linkfromhyrule says:

    freedomisamyth: – The hand wringing over Lander is baffling to me. Yes, he can score at the AHL level, on the Power play (his ES rates still aren’t great even at the AHL level) and yes, he’s a better player than Gazdic, but again, it won’t make any difference for this year, and they’ll likely score the same amount since Lander doesn’t score either. I’d like to see Iiro up too, to see more of what he can do, but if they think he has more to learn playing a bigger role before being thrown into the fire (like everyone and their dog complains about whenever a player is put in the lineup ‘too early’) then aren’t they doing the right thing? Again, season is over, do what’s best for development. I’d probably bring up Lander too just to throw shit at the wall so to speak, but I don’t think it’s a big deal either way.

    I think you are forgetting the part where the Oilers have iced one NHL center for the past 3 or 4 games running. Lander is scoring in the A. The Oilers are not. We have no centers. It has literally nothing to do with development. The season may not be salvageable, but a modicum of respectability might. That will never happen when we ice one nhl center.

  142. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Bank Shot: You can’t use luck as an explanation for all the Unknowables and then just assume it doesn’t effect corsi as well.

    I don’t use luck for anything. Not even winning a jackpot ticket on machine generated numbers.

  143. wuthering says:

    godot10: Mike Bossy and Brett Hull and Wayne Gretzky never won a board battle either.A team is made up of a variety of different types of players.

    Sorry, should’ve realized Ebs is heretofore absolved from winning any board battles. Plus I haven’t bought “The Taxonomy of Hockey Players: the assortment, collection, and historical comparison of the variegated and nuanced differences of NHL players through 2014.” I thought about buying it, but the title seemed too redundant which caused me to question the scholarship.

  144. "Frank The Dog" says:

    G Money: Frank The Dog: *So even if all of your shots are muffins, if you shoot enough the goalie will get tired of stopping them and will let them in, allowing the sh% and the save% to regress to the mean.
    I would say it’s a false dichotomy to put it that way.
    I agree, claiming variances in sh% as being 100% luck is of course ridiculous. Shooting is a skill, of course it differs from team to team.
    But the flip side is that your argument suggests that team sh% is a 100% repeatable skill. The data shows (unequivocally) that it is not. In fact, the long-term difference in sh% across teams is surprisingly (unintuitively) narrow.
    So a huge part of the variation is in fact luck.
    Not all. Certainly not all.
    But a large percentage.
    That’s why unusually high or low sh% inevitably regress, even as there is a real difference in sh% in the comparative teams.

    I’d suggest sh% is similar in a way to a golf score. Sure, there is some self adjusting randomness but the better you are the “luckier” you get. If you drive from the ladies’ tee you should sink the ball in less shots than if you drive from the pro tee. (I played a while back, forgive me if the terms changed, but you get the point)
    Sure a hole in 1 is a random event, but a pro that consistently shoots below par is more likely to get a hole in 1 than a weekend whacker trying to break 100.
    The constant in the two, is the human being holding the stick – or the (golf) club. Therein lies the biggest variable of all. It’s not luck, it’s skill, and approach, and practice, which results in execution.
    Even a skilled player, with a positive approach, who practices to the max, who is forced to play in an unnatural way in a poorly designed system will get a lower sh% than a less skilled player who still practices hard, but plays according to his strengths in a properly designed system. It’s not luck. It’s execution.
    I believe that Dallas forced players to adapt a system that did not work to their strengths and as such depreciated their offensive skill. If I am correct, and if Nelson is allowed to coach his way, which includes his choice of players from OKC and Edm within reasonable limits, with his line and pairing combinations and system of play, we will see a significant if not remarkable improvement in the outcomes.
    Not luck, rather properly applied skill.

  145. "Frank The Dog" says:

    wuthering: Sorry, should’ve realized Ebs is heretofore absolved from winning any board battles.Plus I haven’t bought “The Taxonomy of Hockey Players: the assortment, collection, and historical comparison of the variegated and nuanced differences of NHL players through 2014.”I thought about buying it, but the title seemed too redundant which caused me to question the scholarship.

    I read somewhere that Ebs is playing with a hand/wrist and shoulder injury on his right arm.

  146. "Frank The Dog" says:

    book¡je:
    freedomisamyth,

    Craig?

    If that’s Craig leave him be. I like hearing these different perspectives, if it’s not Craig then it’s someone that may understand the approach Craig is taking, and help us to better understand wha tis going on with this team. Which reduces my stress levels.

    Understanding that they may be keeping people on the farm to regain their confidence is better than thinking they’re doing it because they’re inept, isn’t it?

  147. wuthering says:

    Adam Wu:
    Every once in a while a “muffin” shot hits a weird rut in the ice and carooms in just under the top corner.

    Every once in a while a “muffin” shot catches a goaltender (human, non-matrix enhanced) napping.

    Every once in a while a “muffin” shot gets deflected in.

    A shot that is a “muffin” coming off the shooter’s stick is not a guarantee to be a low quality shot.

    Shoot enough “muffin” shots and goals will still come.

    This is the sort of vibe that suggests all shots are for the most part equal. I think “muffins” can be highly effective. Ryan Smyth had an intelligent “muffin” with which he managed to do quite a bit of damage. Ference’s “muffin” resulted in poorly timed shots that ended sustained OZ pressure at least twice during last night’s 4×4. The issue is not so much the “muffin” but its use by the player, which is what really matters. Floating a “muffin” into the goalie’s bread-basket with no screen is, IMO, fence-post-dumb (fernuckle) unless there is a tired line trying to get an OZ faceoff. Floating a “muffin” through traffic can work, but it can be easily batted-down and turned into transition over/against a shot like Weber’s. Again, JMO.

  148. Numenius says:

    I love that the cat is the fans.

  149. Lowetide says:

    freedomisamyth:
    Lowetide and Woodguy, I respect your guys’ thoughts a lot, and think you have the right ideas most of the time…but I can’t get behind a lot of the things you are saying here as reasons to think MacT needs to go – I think you are too blinded by the rest of the circus that’s gone on here this year, and looking too much on the short term as well as putting too much into thinking what’s been going on is part of the ‘plan’.

    Lets go over a few things mentioned today:If we see Martin Marincin recalled and Brandon Davidson sent down;
    – If you believe that Marincin needs more developing, and he can do that better at the AHL level, why would you do something short sighted like bringing him up when he is low in confidence, just because he is a better player today than Davidson? The season is lost, why are we focusing on putting on the best possible team today when there may be better options for the best possible team next year when it matters again?

    if we see Iiro Pakarinen or Anton Lander or even Curtis Hamilton recalled and Luke Gazdic sent to the pressbox;
    – The hand wringing over Lander is baffling to me. Yes, he can score at the AHL level, on the Power play (his ES rates still aren’t great even at the AHL level) and yes, he’s a better player than Gazdic, but again, it won’t make any difference for this year, and they’ll likely score the same amount since Lander doesn’t score either. I’d like to see Iiro up too, to see more of what he can do, but if they think he has more to learn playing a bigger role before being thrown into the fire (like everyone and their dog complains about whenever a player is put in the lineup ‘too early’) then aren’t they doing the right thing? Again, season is over, do what’s best for development. I’d probably bring up Lander too just to throw shit at the wall so to speak, but I don’t think it’s a big deal either way.

    if we see some life in the power play;
    – if it improves, it’s not going to be because of the GM, so I don’t know why that is even in here.

    if we see David Perron or Jordan Eberle join Hall and Nuge on the top line;
    – Again, coaching decision, and not one I even agree with myself, but even if I did, having that part of the list of things that make you think MacT has to go, is laughable.

    if we see a concerted effort to get Nail Yakupov some significant power play time
    – Yak has gotten plenty of power play time. I don’t know how you can complain about that too much.,

    I tend to agree that I’m scared that MacT has blinders on when it comes to Schultz, but I’m hoping he’s just pumping tires in the verbal, and throwing ice time to him now in the hopes that he either develops, or puts up good counting numbers that make him more attractive to another team.

    Lowetide, you even keep harping about how MacT ‘convinced’ himself to go into this season with the centers he has as if it was something he wanted to do. Eakins definitely let the cat out of the bag in what their long term plan is here: in position to win playoff series’ by the new arena, but if they can do it faster, great. But the key thing is that they weren’t looking at the short term as the key thing here. There’s been a million things from the media that MacT has been looking for centers, so you can’t say that he doesn’t think it’s a problem. He hasn’t been willing to do a deal that he thinks compromises the long term for the short term. Yes, he hasn’t been able to provide a balanced roster, but you can only do what is available to do. Sure he could be ‘bold’ and make a move of the top of the lineup, which frankly might be the only way he can do it in the end, we’ll see, to bring balance, but why risk that on something you don’t think is a good bet, when you think the team still has developing to do anyways?

    Everyone just seems to be so one dimensional in their thinking about every move this team does. There’s a lot of dimensions to every little decision.

    I understand your points but don’t agree. Craig MacTavish made his choices and was convinced this season would not be a disaster. It has been exactly that. I respect him as a person but his poor decisions at center and on defense sewered the season.

    It’s time to get a qualified GM.

  150. "Frank The Dog" says:

    Lowetide:
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2299513-the-top-nhl-draft-prospects-to-watch-at-the-2015-world-junior-championships

    Regrettably – in a way – if Todd Nelson does what we hope and expect he is capable of, we won’t be seeing either of the top 2 picks, unless we get a ball bounce in our favour, and wouldn’t that be a hoot!
    Personally I’d rather see a cohesive team that has turned the corner and is less unattractive to UFA’s than the mess that played the game against NYC getting Connor – or Eichel. Because by then we’d have every worthwhile player we already had asking out, and nothing to offer Connor.
    Is that better than the team turning around with mostly the existing roster pieces, better coached and better utilized?

  151. Snowman says:

    I think the biggest indictment of Mact is that he had no idea the team was going to be as bad as it was last year (he even admitted that at the end of the season I believe) and then in the early season or late summer made comments about how this team is significantly improved when it is in fact worse (I’m guessing the underlying numbers continue to sink as they play the West more). He’s got no idea how good his team is and hasn’t so far at any point in his tenure as GM.

    If you are constantly wrong about where you are it would be pretty tough to plan to get where you want to go.

  152. OF17 says:

    DocFan:
    In other / good news, the fLames just lost their 6th in a row. Regression to the mean?

    I’m personally taking no joy in the Flames’ struggles. Yes, we’re rivals, but we’re rivals like candidates from the same political party are rivals. The Flames are our brothers. Now, sure, everyone loves to beat their brother, but I can’t think of a fan base that would better appreciate success than the Flames’ fan base, and I would be happy to see them do well. Nothing would make me happier than a neck-and-neck WCF between the two teams. Well, winning the Cup would be better, but you know what I mean.

  153. theres oil in virginia says:

    spoiler: I don’t think anyone is upset that management wasn’t viewing this roster through rose-coloured glasses.

    He didn’t actually comment about next year, just that the goal was to win a series or two the year the new building opens.That may or may not mean making the playoffs next year, but obviously they were hoping to improve year on year towards their goal.

    Well, yeah, I guess “upset” isn’t what I was intending, just that all of the roster moves should be viewed through this lens. When folks look at the roster and suggest that MacT is smoking the drapes if he thinks this is a competitive roster, or that he thought that one or another player was going to be sufficient in order for the team to be competitive, I think it’s clear that he didn’t think this team would be competitive. Maybe not basement, but not competitive. Clearly these years have been intended as development years, not just for individuals, but for the group to learn how to play a defensively sound style.

    On that note, I think that although the team’s offense has dried up this year, that shouldn’t come as a total surprise. If they’re focused on sound fundamentals, and not on high-flying offense, that’s the natural effect. They’ll have to learn to create offense from within that defensively sound system. They haven’t been particularly good at it, and they have continued to make a large number of mistakes that end up being game killers. Some are more guilty than others.

  154. delooper says:

    This gets back to a discussion we had ??a year?? or more ago. Does a favourable Corsi follow winning, or does Corsi drive winning? More generally, in historical terms, when a crap team becomes a good team, or a good team becomes elite, do advanced stats changes follow after the team improves, does it happen before, or at the same time?

    I think there’s a decent chance that things like Corsi don’t drive success, they’re more ancillary objects. Winning teams build those supports, but you maybe don’t become a winning team if that’s your focus.

  155. cabbiesmacker says:

    shiraz:
    Is DK willing to spend enough without salary cap consequences to immediately improve the team?

    ieCraig Babcock … @ $4.500,000 US >>> more valuable than Nikita N ??

    Possible or dreamingin Technicolor ??

    Thoughts

    Who the hell is Craig Babcock?

  156. Halfwise says:

    cabbiesmacker: Who the hell is Craig Babcock?

    He’s the available one. Oilers would not be able to attract his brother Mike.

  157. Lowetide says:

    cabbiesmacker: Who the hell is Craig Babcock?

    Who the hell is DK?

  158. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: Who the hell is DK?

    Katz.

    As per your first pic.

  159. Numenius says:

    Lowetide: I understand your points but don’t agree. Craig MacTavish made his choices and was convinced this season would not be a disaster. It has been exactly that. I respect him as a person but his poor decisions at center and on defense sewered the season.

    It’s time to get a qualified GM.

    I think we will see with Nelson that Eakins has been more the problem than the GM.

  160. rickithebear says:

    Numenius: I think we will see with Nelson that Eakins has been more the problem than the GM.

    I knew you were Taylor Hall!

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