COYOTES AT OILERS, G35, 2014-15

Nail Yakupov is one of the major stories we’ll be watching in 2015, along with Jeff Petry, Justin Schultz, the goalies and damn near every other player on the roster. We can expect major change but the value on these players—ground into a fine white powder with all the losing—means Craig MacTavish will have a difficult time getting value.

QUESTION MARKS, BY POSITION

  • Left Wing: Those Taylor Hall rumors got out there somehow and made it all the way to Elliotte Friedman’s 30 thoughts. I do not for one minute think MacT trades Hall, it’s too damn dangerous. The club has David Perron to decide on (2016 UFA, he may not sign back here anyway) and there’s some question about where Benoit Pouliot plays on the roster (I like him on the skill lines, so Hall—Pouliot would be fine by me 1-2). Matt Hendricks is a solid checker and Luke Gazdic is a valued member of the team. The players in the system who might be close to ready (Kale Kessy, Curtis Hamilton, Jujhar Khaira) are unlikely to move the needle. If the Oilers draft McDavid, it’s possible he or Leon Draisaitl could move over.
  • Center: I don’t think they’re going to trade Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and he’s coming into his own. Leon Draisaitl will be part of this team and Boyd Gordon has another year on his contract (so he might be a deadline 2016 trade option). Mark Arcobello may be a little shy offensively but this is a good hockey player, hope he stays (in at least) a utility role. Anton Lander is still hanging around and has some ability in a two-way role. If the club drafts McDavid or Eichel they may have a player who can step right in, Strome and Zacha are less likely to have an immediate impact. Edmonton does have a future option in pro (Bogdan Yakimov) but he’s not a player they should count on for 2015-16.
  • Right Wing: There are plenty of Jordan Eberle rumors but he’s an important player on this team. Teddy Purcell has another year left on his contract and may return. Nail Yakupov‘s entry-level deal is done this summer, no idea what happens but don’t think it turns out Disney. Steve Pinizzotto is a UFA and Tyler Pitlick is an RFA, one or both may be on next year’s team (Oilers seem to be giving Pitlick a push which may mean trade or he’s here for awhile). One player I would like to see more of is Iiro Pakarinen and he appears to have the most offensive potential among the fringe wingers.
  • Left Defense: Niki Nikitin and Andrew Ference will lead the way again in 2015-16 unless the Oilers decide to trade one or both (or buy one or both out). The club is paying major dollars to these men for little cover. Fortunately, the team has Oscar Klefbom and Martin Marincin—two exciting young defensemen who are gaining NHL experience this year—and young Darnell Nurse who could play in the NHL next season. The organization also thinks very highly of Brad Hunt, an undersized defender with speed issues but a plus passer and shooter. He is RFA in the summer, as is Keith Aulie who supplies reliable defense with a physical edge and little else in the way of puck-moving ability. Brandon Davidson seems to have an edge (so far) on minor league options Dillon Simpson, Jordan Oesterle, David Musil and Martin Gernat. Some of these men can play RH side.
  • Right Defense: Jeff Petry is in his walk year and that’s just what he appears to be doing, there’s a real chance he’s gone at the deadline. Mark Fayne is signed through 2018 summer and looks like a nice addition. Justin Schultz has exceptional offensive potential but has struggled in all parts of the game this season. His future could involve a bridge deal, a long-term contract or a trade—it’s wide open.
  • Goaltenders: Ben Scrivens is No. 1 and signed but hanging by a thread. The next game that matters for this franchise is October 2015 and I cannot see him starting it. Viktor Fasth is trade bait if someone is interested, Richard Bachman is a solid AHL starter and NHL No. 3. The intriguing Laurent Brossoit may find his way into the picture as early as this spring based on progress, but another year in the minors might be the best plan. Tyler Bunz and Frans Tuohimaa are also in photo.

It’s exhausting just thinking about the change. I’ll guess we see more than five new faces and fewer than 12. Gone? Petry, Yakupov, Nikitin, Fasth, Perron. After that, we’ll see. A lot of changes now may not happen if Todd Nelson can work some magic in the chem lab. The new coach could do Edmonton an enormous favor by getting some of these kids better boxcars. The possession numbers are up (mostly) but the gap numbers are down and there are many Oilers who are off last year’s numbers. Nelson’s early returns on the offense have been good.

GOAL DIFFERENTIAL

COACH GF GA DIFF
DALLAS EAKINS 2.10 3.32 -1.22
TODD NELSON 3.00 3.67 -0.67

This is early days and nothing can be concluded but the team has been scoring reasonably well under Todd Nelson. However, a strong closing 47 games should give the Oilers better asset quality to go to market with this summer. The gap between this and last year (in terms of boxcars is incredible):

boxcar

PROJECTED BOXCARS OILERS COMPARED TO LAST YEAR (VIA THN)

  1. Taylor Hall 76, 27-30-57 (.750 projected from 1.07 one year ago)
  2. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 80, 22-33-56 (.700 from .700 one year ago)
  3. Jordan Eberle 81, 15-34-49 (.600 from .813 one year ago)
  4. Teddy Purcell 82, 12-29-41 (.500 from .519 one year ago)
  5. David Perron 82, 12-29-41 (.500 from .731 one year ago)
  6. Justin Schultz 81, 5-27-32 (.400 from .446 one year ago)
  7. Mark Arcobello 82, 17-10-27 (.330 from .439 one year ago)
  8. Benoit Pouliot 68, 10-17-27 (.400 from .450 one year ago)
  9. Boyd Gordon 77, 13-8-21 (.270 from .284 one year ago)
  10. Steve Pinizzotto 64, 8-8-16 (.250 from .330 one year ago)
  11. Jeff Petry 81, 7-12-19 (.240 from .210 one year ago)
  12. Nail Yakupov 82, 10-10-20 (.240 from .380 one year ago)
  13. Matt Hendricks 78, 5-13-18 (.230 from .090 one year ago)
  14. Niki Nikitin 70, 6-10-16 (.230 from .230 one year ago)
  15. Leon Draisaitl 81, 5-12-17 (.210 in his rookie season)
  16. Brad Hunt 57p, 6-6-12 (.210 in his rookie season)
  17. Mark Fayne 82, 2-10-12 (.150 from .150 one year ago)
  18. Andrew Ference 79, 3-5-8 (.100 from .250 one year ago)
  19. Tyler Pitlick 58, 6-0-6 (.100 from .100 one year ago)
  20. Oscar Klefbom 60, 0-5-5 (.080 in his rookie season)

Down, down, down. Lordy. The Nuge is on par with a year ago, Teddy Purcell and Boyd Gordon are close enough for jazz and Jeff Petry is up slightly. After that it’s pretty much everyone in the red year over year. Man it’s been a tough season for this crew, I don’t think any of the fellows we’re talking about MacT trading (Perron, Schultz, Yakupov) have close to the same value as in summer.

THE FULL NELSON

  • Todd Nelson on Nail Yakupov:  “We’re trying to create more offence as a team, and he’s a guy who can provide that for us. We have to get him into a position where he can shoot the puck. We just have to keep on working with him and getting him into those scoring areas. We talk about going to the net — that’s one aspect, but with the system we’re implementing and going to play, it should open up things for everybody. Last night, we had just one power play and we scored right away. He didn’t get an opportunity to go out, but he’s going to be a big part of that other unit.” Source

I hope for Nail as I do for all these kids, from Chris Hajt to Poo to Theo Peckham. I do think it might be best to get him out to Montreal so he can get on with his life, though. The Oilers have one scoring line (the Hall line) and are trying to gather a second one. Yak? He’s on the third line and that’s no place for him to succeed. Get him to Montreal and Galchenyuk and he should be able to recover and flourish. All I ask is a better return than Greg Joly for Bryan Watson.

GAME IN A BOX VIA NHL.COM

records in a boxIt’s fairly even on paper and with the Coyotes playing last night Edmonton should have the advantage. However, this season is a wonderful lesson in ‘we hoped for the best’ so expecting an OT loss is probably the sane way.

CURRENT DRAFT NUMBERS 2015

If the season ended today, Edmonton would pick:

  • No. 1 overall (pending lottery) Connor McDavid, C, Erie Otters
  • No. 31 overall Filip Ahl, LW, HV 71
  • No. 70 overall (Hemsky trade) Thomas Schemitsch, D, Owen Sound Attack
  • No. 91 overall Vladimir Tkachev, LW, Quebec Remparts
  • No. 121 overall Jordan Papirny, G, Brandon Wheat Kings
  • No. 151 overall Travis Dermott, D, Erie Otters
  • No. 181 overall Dexter Dancs, LW, Michigan Wolverines

Edmonton doesn’t have their third round pick, lost in the Viktor Fasth trade.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

Happy Festivus! 10 this morning on the Lowdown (TSN 1260), we’re scheduled to welcome:

  • 10:05 Jonathan Willis, Cult of Hockey, Oilers Nation, Bleacher Report, Sportsnet. Oh those Oilers.
  • 10:25 Kent Wilson, Flames Nation. What a team, what a town! Kill me. Kill me now.
  • 11:00 Sarah McLellan, Arizona Republic. Coyotes versus Oilers and Devan Dubnyk’s emergence in the desert.
  • 11:25 Jeff Hauser, Radio Hauser. NFL playoffs and offseason.

10-1260 via text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. YEG FOLK says:

    Lowetide: I think a lot of people felt coaching wasn’t the issue, this blog included. I continue to sit in stunned silence about roster balance and makeup. It is absolutely incredible.

    Wonder what Martin Marincin is doing tonight, for example? Whatever real or perceived atrocity he’s committed against mankind, he certainly couldn’t be worse than Hunt tonight, could he?

  2. TheOtherJohn says:

    godot10: Maloney and Bettman and the prospective new majority owner were going for the sneaky tank in Arizona to get get McDavid and Eichel there to anchor and stabilize the franchise, but Katz is effing up Bettman’s grand plan.

    I thought it was D Eakins fault

  3. Black Frank (the dog) says:

    Maybe its time for a good old fashioned bag skate.

  4. Jon K says:

    Lowetide: I think a lot of people felt coaching wasn’t the issue, this blog included. I continue to sit in stunned silence about roster balance and makeup. It is absolutely incredible.

    It’s even more concerning to see the underlying numbers start to fall as well. We might have been actually seeing this team play “well” under Eakins.

  5. TheOtherJohn says:

    Lowetide:
    I think this team can absolutely get McDavid or Eichel. No question.

    Think the NHL would let us have both McDavid & Eichel if we promised not to land in draft lottery for another 25 years? We are exceptionally good at being really really bad.

  6. godot10 says:

    1) MacT has to get out from behind the bench.
    2) MacT just sent down a guy (Lander) who was helping. Brad Hunt is still playing, and Marty is in OKC. Hall and Nugent-Hopikins say, why should we try, if the effing GM malingering behind the bench doesn’t give an eff.
    3) MacT is zero for every effing Eakins’ Marlie, including Eakins. His own guy Hunt is a turd.

  7. Derek says:

    Can you imagine how rough this is for Kevin Quinn? He’s been polishing this turd for the last 8 years. Even Debrusk got the mercy boot to the intermission. I cant believe he hasn’t become the announcer off the Major League movies yet.

  8. TemujinBC says:

    Anyone see Klefbom good tonight?

    Yergh

  9. jzed says:

    Seriously, is there any way to have a bus outside waiting to drive the entire ‘big’ club to Oklahoma for a 5 game wake the fuck up assignment, while we fly in the entire ‘farm” team and give them. 5 game this could be all yours assignment?

  10. unca miltie says:

    Yikes, this is so sad

  11. TemujinBC says:

    Tremendous.

    Please tell me someone screencapped that MacT face.

  12. RexLibris says:

    I’ve been working on my arena peddler chant in case I need to supplement my income.

    Tell me what you guys think:

    “PEEEANUTS! POP-CORN! RAZOR BLLLADES!”

  13. jzed says:

    RexLibris:
    I’ve been working on my arena peddler chant in case I need to supplement my income.

    Tell me what you guys think:

    “PEEEANUTS! POP-CORN! RAZOR BLLLADES!”

  14. Black Frank (the dog) says:

    Jon K: It’s even more concerning to see the underlying numbers start to fall as well. We might have been actually seeing this team play “well” under Eakins.

    Team A plays to Corsi. It’s more important to cycle in the Ozone than to score.
    Team B plays to score. They spend less time in the Ozone than Team A, but when they are there, they drive the net and shoot whenever they can.

    Both teams share the same sh%.
    It stands to reason that Team B is going to win more games than Team A.

    Eakins’ improved Corsi was as illusionary as Kruegers’ winning streak.
    *Edited*
    Anyway I have better things to do than watch this crap. It’s a sham, a fraud and a disgrace. This organization should be suspended from the NHL until further notice.

    Goodnight folks. See y’all tomorrow.

  15. Ice Sage says:

    No one has any pride. So sad. Washington Generals

    Can someone throw a Gagner jersey on the ice?

  16. belcolt91 says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    There is enough info to make an informed guess. I’m a supporter of the 5 year rule for judging prospects, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t clues along the way. At this point Yak is an underdog in that race.

    Development isn’t a race, there’s no metric you can put on it. In one year, the “race” can be flipped entirely right on it’s head due to a large amount of factors (ultimately a lack of evidence), and your informed guess is out the window.

    Look at Hall and Seguin. Up until last year, I’d say most if not all Oiler fans weren’t even looking back on that decision. NOW you have people questioning it, and I could say right now that we’d made a mistake, that Seguin is the better player, based on the evidence we have. The truth is it’s too early even to make this claim, even after 5 years, let alone Yak vs Gal.

    The “race” is far from over. Don’t place your “bet” after the first few laps.

  17. Kitchener says:

    Just checking in now. Looks like the game was over in 2 minutes.

  18. Derek says:

    It’s impossible to win in the National Hockey League when you dress Brad Hunt, Justin Schultz and Andrew Ference. They won’t win a game until atleast one is gone.

  19. Ben says:

    Is there any precedent of the league “stepping in” with chronically horrible teams like this? Little nudges behind the scenes, recommending different personnel or approaches, etc? (Yes, we’re at that point.)

  20. RexLibris says:

    I don’t usually do this but…

    “And as far as I know, there’s only one or two other people working in the league right now with as many 1st overall picks as I have, so I think I know a thing or two about losing, if that’s ever a concern”

    I love this team.

    They obviously hate me, but I still love them.

  21. Dee Dee says:

    danny:
    As depressing as this is, this is a 4 point game for the race to last place.

    I’ll cheer for wins against top teams. I cant bring myself to do it tonight. There’s too much at stake.

    Is Katz really going to trust MacT to make a significant move at the deadline? Nope. This is our team until the draft.

    The thing is, cheer against your team long enough, then you die.

    25 years since the last cup and the rebuild of the rebuild of the rebuild is out of gas in dead fricking last place with half a roster of minor league players that would not make the roster of any other team in the league.

    Fans are complaining about Aulie, Ference, Hunt, Nikitin and Shultz. Petry has one foot on the next bus out of eTown leaving Fayne and Klefbom as the only two serviceable defensemen, and Klefbom is a rookie who could very well go the Marincin route by next year.

    Two career backup goaltenders.

    Arcobllo, Gazdic, Pinizzotto, and Pitlick up front, with Perron and Yakupov waiting for Petry’s bus as well.

    The plan? draft yet another first overall and toss Nurse into the fray next year????

    This team isn’t full of holes, it is all holes. And whatever isn’t a hole is costing $6,000,000 a year.

  22. jzed says:

    The rink should be empty by now, time for the push back

  23. godot10 says:

    Derek:
    It’s impossible to win in the National Hockey League when you dress Brad Hunt, Justin Schultz and Andrew Ference.They won’t win a game until atleast one is gone.

    But MacT is going to replace one with Nikitin. We don’t see Marincin until Nikitin flops again for 10 games or so.

  24. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris:
    I don’t usually do this but…

    “And as far as I know, there’s only one or two other people working in the league right now with as many 1st overall picks as I have, so I think I know a thing or two about losing, if that’s ever a concern”

    I love this team.

    They obviously hate me, but I still love them.

    Worse. They don’t care about you.

  25. gwdsfo says:

    Ice Sage,

    What self-respecting MacDavish fan isn’t cheering for a #89 hat trick???

  26. RexLibris says:

    Does anyone know if Bruce is at the game?

    If so, I’m going to blame this on how quickly he drank his beer.

    HEY! IT’S AS GOOD A THEORY AS ANY RIGHT NOW!

  27. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Worse. They don’t care about you.

    Well happy flipping festivus to them, too!

  28. Kitchener says:

    If there’s no rule against icing two goalies at a time, why not let one lie across the goal line and the other stand in front trying to glove the high shots?

    This would also provide a regular excuse to bench whichever forward has sideburns.

  29. sliderule says:

    This is a very good draft.

    The oilers have a really bad scouting system.

    Mact ,Lowe and even the equipment manager should be scouting every junior and college game.

    Get off their asses and find some good players.

    Then if they can find one send a competent professional scout to watch every Sabres game to decide which of the two goalies are the best to throw their money at.

    After all that buy sme new golf clubs and prepare for life after hockey.

  30. Dee Dee says:

    Ben,

    Ben:
    Is there any precedent of the league “stepping in” with chronically horrible teams like this?Little nudges behind the scenes, recommending different personnel or approaches, etc?(Yes, we’re at that point.)

    Why on earth would the league step in?

    They are making dump truck loads of cash. They are selling out the building every night. That’s the entire point of running a business, to make money. The Oilers sit at about 10th place in terms of revenue and operating income.

    The league would step in on 20 other teams before they bothered to look at the Oilers.

  31. LostBoy says:

    “Merry Christmas from the Edmonton Oilers to our long suffering fans. We hope you like crap!”

    Carolina won. So there’s that. It’s a three team race to the bottom and the other two move two points further ahead tonight.

  32. TheOtherJohn says:

    Not sure you can rely on this management group to successfully do anything hockey related

  33. Derek says:

    Hahaha well atleast when he’s not scoring, Yakupov is still entertaining.

  34. RexLibris says:

    I don’t think the “league” will step in as represented by Bettman.

    However, I do expect the Board of governors to do something when they have their annual meeting.

    Last time they re-did the draft lottery system for 2016 to draw for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd overall picks. Next time they might reduce the lottery odds even further for franchises located in cities whose name starts with a vowel.

  35. Derek says:

    RexLibris:
    I don’t think the “league” will step in as represented by Bettman.

    However, I do expect the Board of governors to do something when they have their annual meeting.

    Last time they re-did the draft lottery system for 2016 to draw for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd overall picks. Next time they might reduce the lottery odds even further for franchises located in cities whose name starts with a vowel.

    I doubt they would handicap the franchise in the desert they’ve been carrying for the last decade.

  36. McSorley33 says:

    Just got in ….pumped to watch.

    3rd game in for Yotes….they played last night.

    What the ……

    Rex – two razor blades please.

  37. RexLibris says:

    I guess if anything we could also say that a 5-1 loss was closer to the league average this evening than most other nights.

    St. Louis, Nashville, Minnesota and Buffalo all lost with a score of 5 or more goals against while Pittsburgh, Washington, Dallas and Chicago lost their games giving up 4 goals.

    #silverlinings

  38. flyfish1168 says:

    Best part of the game was seeing Sam and Dubs have a good game.

  39. kooler says:

    Just got home to catch this…oops.

    Some guy named Sam has 4 pts? Good for Dubby.

    Anybody good on the Oil?

    Glad to see Gadzic back….didn’t think Lander was good enough for the big club.

    Love the empty seats…..MacT fired tomorrow.

  40. YEG FOLK says:

    1 win in 20 games. 7 wins in 34 games – same total after tonight as Dubnyk if you’re into irony. Outworked all night by an opponent on a BTB and 3rd game in 4 nights. In their own building. The actual GM of a team in the NHL standing on the bench looking over his coach’s shoulder. WTF?

  41. russ99 says:

    Time for Mac to stop beating the dead possession horse, go upstairs and focus on adding NHL talent and let Nelson have a fair shot at adjusting things so this group can go forward.

  42. rich says:

    russ99:
    Time for Mac to stop beating the dead possession horse, go upstairs and focus on adding NHL talent and let Nelson. have a fair shot at adjusting things so this group can go forward.

    Agree that MacT needs to get off the bench.

    He needs to go upstairs and dust off his resume.

    I don’t trust him to make any more moves with this roster.

    I’m not going to say that Lander would have made a difference tonight, nor Marincin.

    But they are both symbolic of the cluster that is the roster right now.

  43. Kitchener says:

    5 of Coyotes’ 12 wins came against Oilers???

    Pure McTank perfection. Without those 5 wins, Phoenix has 7 wins just like Edmonton. Unreal. Perfect record vs an Eichel competitor. No one tanks like Edmonton.

  44. Ben says:

    I get that it’s tough to bring UFA talent to a shitty team.

    I get that it’s tough to bring UFA talent to a northern town.

    I get that it’s hard to make trades.

    That’s why it’s just so…fucking…baffling that this team chronically devalues drafted assets and then trades them for 5th round picks or lets them walk for nothing.

    What are they gonna get back for the 2nd round pick and most of a decade they invested in Petry?

    What did they get back for Gagner, Dubnyk?

    What will they get for the 1st overall picks that the send out?

    A gross, dumb, bad organization.

  45. pocession charge says:

    Kitchener:
    5 of Coyotes’ 12 wins came against Oilers???

    Pure McTank perfection.Without those 5 wins, Phoenix has 7 wins just like Edmonton.Unreal.Perfect record vs an Eichel competitor.No one tanks like Edmonton.

    I have bad news for you: They aren’t trying to tank. It’s incompetent management and horrific goaltending.

  46. Dee Dee says:

    Kitchener:
    If there’s no rule against icing two goalies at a time, why not let one lie across the goal line and the other stand in front trying to glove the high shots?

    This would also provide a regular excuse to bench whichever forward has sideburns.

    National Hockey League (NHL) rules state:
    Section 2, Rule 5.3

    Each team shall be allowed one goalkeeper on the ice at one time.

  47. Woodguy says:

    The only way this isn’t bottom is if CAL pounds them 6-0 on Saturday.

  48. TemujinBC says:

    Gagner having a laugh about his performance not being the best he’s ever had at Rexall.

    In the midst of all this hideousness and despair, I am happy for Gags.

  49. flyfish1168 says:

    I this point I can’t ever see this group of Oilers ever playing this song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyVXFpD4k_s

  50. flyfish1168 says:

    Woodguy:
    The only way this isn’t bottom is if CAL pounds them 6-0 on Saturday.

    I think the fans down there will be shouting for double digit

  51. Woodguy says:

    russ99:
    Time for Mac to stop beating the dead possession horse, go upstairs and focus on adding NHL talent and let Nelson have a fair shot at adjusting things so this group can go forward.

    Yeah, that’s exactly what MacT is doing.

  52. RexLibris says:

    I wonder if Petry has an advent calendar counting down the days until the trade deadline?

  53. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    The only way this isn’t bottom is if CAL pounds them 6-0 on Saturday.

    I think fans would welcome it. If we’re going over the cliff, floor it!

  54. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Worse. They don’t care about you.

    Kept the building full through 8 years of atrocious hockey with the 5th highest ticket prices in the NHL?

    Fuck you, I’m gonna bluff move to Seattle and get what I want.

  55. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I think fans would welcome it. If we’re going over the cliff, floor it!

    Thelma and Louise style.

    Floor it!!

  56. TemujinBC says:

    I’m still holding out hope that someone screencapped the MacT face on the bench

  57. kooler says:

    Dee Dee,

    National Hockey League (NHL) rules state:
    Section 2014, Rule 1.0

    Any team making zero effort in the first 30 games of a year to improve upon a past seasons failing performance shall forfeit the season.

  58. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 5m5 minutes ago

    “I think the break will be good… Hopefully we come back rejuvenated and all pointing in the same direction.” @hallsy04

  59. TemujinBC says:

    No audio on the Nelson portion of the post game. Geezuz the Oilers can’t even do that right

  60. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers @EdmontonOilers · 51s 51 seconds ago

    “We obviously took a step back tonight. It was not the game we wanted. Our execution was poor.” – Coach Nelson

  61. Zelepukin says:

    Eichel and McDavid with no points in blowout games? Clearly they are both trying to drop in rankings, as to avoid Deadmonton.

  62. kooler says:

    flyfish1168,

    They’ll be counting touchdowns.

  63. Zelepukin says:

    This will all become clear when they announce that the OKC franchise will be replaced by the Edmonton Oilers in the AHL. At which time if they win the league, they’ll be let back into the NHL.

  64. rich says:

    Original plan was MacT’s last night on the bench the 27th, now they’re going to have to discuss it (Nelson’s presser after the game).

  65. SK Oiler Fan says:

    You guys still watch these guys play on tv? And 16k still go to the actual games? They’re giving away tickets right?

  66. BARREN BREGER says:

    The Edmonton Oilers have been notified by the NHL that they cannot hold their skills competition this year. #havenoskills

  67. kooler says:

    Zelepukin,

    It works for the Premier League……lets take the 3 worst NHL teams and the best 3 AHL and let them round robin it out for eligibility.

  68. LMHF#1 says:

    Fascinating call on 1260 just a couple minutes ago.

  69. hags9k says:

    I didn’t watch tonight.

    Good for Gags. How many times does Katz have to have sand kicked in his face before he realizes he has wimps running this team.

    The most unprofessional franchise in professional sports today.

    Name ONE other pro sports franchise where Lowe keeps his position.

    Edmonton deserves a competitive, professional hockey club where management is held accountable and hired on merit. Not be embarrassed by a billionaire’s play toy, old boys, 99’s coattails hackey club.

  70. TemujinBC says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    You guys still watch these guys play on tv? And 16kstill go to the actual games? They’re giving away tickets right?

    I’m heading to Edmonton next week, bringing the GF and her two sons. They moved to BC a couple years ago from Edmonton, and her oldest would LOVE to go to a game.

    I only wish they were giving away tickets. That’s $500+ for the tickets alone let alone the grub and drinks.

    Hows the scalper situation near the arena? 😀

  71. hags9k says:

    LMHF#1,
    Can you divulge?

  72. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide:
    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 5m5 minutes ago

    “I think the break will be good… Hopefully we come back rejuvenated and all pointing in the same direction.” @hallsy04

    If ever someone is just going through the motions….

  73. LMHF#1 says:

    hags9k:
    LMHF#1,
    Can you divulge?

    Apparently a former Oilers scout (John someone, the host claimed to know who it was and believe it was actually him) talking about organizational rot, including some pointed comments on Stu, who apparently said Holtby would never make it.

  74. cabbiesmacker says:

    TemujinBC:

    Hows the scalper situation near the arena?

    Just pry some out of the dead hands of the former tier oners hanging from Gretzky’s statue.

  75. Southern Oil says:

    LMHF#1: Apparently a former Oilers scout (John someone, the host claimed to know who it was and believe it was actually him) talking about organizational rot, including some pointed comments on Stu, who apparently said Holtby would never make it.

    IMO the real rot of this organization lies with Katz. Until he shows otherwise, this is on him.

  76. Zangetsu says:

    Hey LT, I just wanted to thank you for all the work you do. I’m cutting myself off the Oil so I can get back in shape (they make me drink too much). I will see you around draft time most likely. Good luck to those who can keep watching after five years of this. I’m worn out.

  77. leadfarmer says:

    LMHF#1,

    Stu is getting thrown under the bus, he hasn’t done a good job but the professional scouting department is the real reason we are in this mess. Finding such talents as patty o’lanterns, Nikitin, ference,Nielson, Whitney, scrivens, fasth, barker, lupul. Plus picking guys like Moroz and frank Musils boy really sounds like something that came from the keeper of the rings. And please note I was calling Stu the Mediocre bastard almost as soon as people were calling him the magnificent one.

  78. cabbiesmacker says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Not sure you can rely on this management group to successfully do anything hockey related

    You think the 4 of them together could organize a sock drawer?

  79. LMHF#1 says:

    leadfarmer:
    LMHF#1,

    Stu is getting thrown under the bus, he hasn’t done a good job but the professional scouting department is the real reason we are in this mess.Finding such talents as patty o’lanterns, Nikitin, ference,Nielson, Whitney, scrivens, fasth, barker, lupul.Plus picking guys like Moroz and frank Musils boy really sounds like something that came from the keeper of the rings.And please note I was calling Stu the Mediocre bastard almost as soon as people were calling him the magnificent one.

    I’m in the hoping Katz gets angry enough that he fires every hockey person pile. Hard to find anyone that is delivering anything.

    Can we get Lundqvist’s reaction following every game?

  80. flyfish1168 says:

    Watching NHL Classics. Oilers vs Flyers. Helps the sole. best of all we win

  81. cabbiesmacker says:

    leadfarmer:
    LMHF#1,

    picking guys like frank Musils boy really sounds like something that came from the keeper of the rings.

    What on earth do you have against David Musil dude? You think Boone Jenner, Brandon Saad, and Niki Kucherov are better or something? What the hell is wrong with you?

  82. leadfarmer says:

    And don’t get me wrong stu should have delivered a couple more Nhlers from all the bullets he had, but adding another teenage center or defenseman isn’t really what this team needs. Through gross incompetence they received some very promising young players and through gross incompetence they failed to surround them with competent veterans to show them the way. They repeatedly failed to identify missing pieces such as starting this season with two centers, and they repeatedly failed to identify pieces that didn’t fit and failed to turn them into useful pieces. I don’t really care if Stu stays or goes, in fact little will matter if his bosses remain the same.

  83. Don't Bishai says:

    Long time reader, first time poster, and much appreciative of this spectacular blog and the intelligent community that congregates here (though I actually question the intelligence of those of us who still willingly follow this team). I’m not as mathy as many of you, but my theory is that you’ll stop crunching numbers when (if) the Oilers ever are a contender again. It will simply be fun to watch them play again, and we won’t have to cling to invisible silver linings as a consolation.

    With today being December 23 and all, I decided to create an account to commence with airing of grievances:

    1) Scrivens has been an outright disaster.
    2) When you employ three chaos defensemen, that means only one pairing can be a “safe” one, and that’s assuming the GM/coach/impatient bold phenom knows who they are.
    3) this game was salvageable via a competent power play– the skill players, namely Hall, blew it
    4) Hall’s injury might affect his separation speed, but what’s his excuse for nonchalant passes or downright errant ones, and seemingly rushed plays even when he has time and space?
    5) Gazdic not being permanently in the AHL is as much of a tell as anything else with regard to management incompetence, forget MM or Lander being demoted.
    6) The slightest sources of fun associated with watching this team have been sucked away this season, coupled with successful campaigns to date for Oiler nemeses Cgy and Van, and Tyler Seguin peaking concurrently with a nadir for Hall.
    7) Kevin Quinn has the world’s hardest job, putting lipstick on a hideous pig for three hours, several times per week.

    Typing on an iPad is getting exhausting, so I will leave my 600 other grievances to others to fill in….

  84. Das Zuke says:

    Hello LT, I was at tonight’s game and it became apparent that drastic times call for drastic measures. As a former Toronto resident and fan (but now an Oiler supporter), I recall the time Red Kelly, as the coach, needed to do something out of the ordinary to give his Leafs a boost of energy and strength and placed models of pyramids in the dressing room and under the players bench… I am not kidding…. and it was no less during the playoffs against the big bad Flyers. Do you think “pyramids power” could do something for our Oilers???

  85. TemujinBC says:

    Don’t Bishai,

    A nice first post. Well done.

    Love #7…. that poor poor bastard….

  86. pocession charge says:

    TemujinBC: I’m heading to Edmonton next week, bringing the GF and her two sons.They moved to BC a couple years ago from Edmonton, and her oldest would LOVE to go to a game.

    I only wish they were giving away tickets.That’s $500+ for the tickets alone let alone the grub and drinks.

    Hows the scalper situation near the arena?

    You can get cheaper tickets on Kijiji or Stub Hub….especially if you wait about two hours before game time.

  87. leadfarmer says:

    Thankfully I went to see the Hobbit tonight instead of watching the game. You know cheering for the oilers would probably be something like chearing for the orcs. You know they’re screwed before the movie/game starts.

    Can I get a refund on my gamecenter package since my team failed to show up for the year?

  88. Bad Seed says:

    I stopped giving a shit about this team long ago. This has been a poor organization a lot longer than it’s ever been a good one. Clean all those arrogant fuckers out – Lowe, Mactavish, Laforge and get rid of that shill Stauffer too. Assholes.

  89. Bad Seed says:

    I do applaud Lowetide. I can’t figure out why he still does the oiler prospect rankings when we all know they’ll be ruined or cast aside anyway.

  90. Lowetide says:

    Das Zuke:
    Hello LT, I was at tonight’s game and it became apparent that drastic times call for drastic measures. As a former Toronto resident and fan (but now an Oiler supporter), I recall the time Red Kelly, as the coach, needed to do something out of the ordinary to give his Leafs a boost of energy and strength and placed models ofpyramids in the dressing room and under the players bench… I am not kidding…. and it was no less during the playoffs against the big bad Flyers. Do you think “pyramids power” could do something for our Oilers???

    I remember that, my Grandma was still a fan and she believed! I miss her.

  91. Lowetide says:

    flyfish1168:
    Watching NHL Classics. Oilers vs Flyers. Helps the sole. best of all we win

    The 87? I can remember the feeling when Anderson beat Hextall in G7. It was sweet release. It was beautiful. It was one of the very best days of being an Oilers fan.

  92. cabbiesmacker says:

    rich:
    That MacT touch behind the bench, makes a big difference in their play.

    I want to see one of the players pay him a massive tribute by turning around during a game and yanking his tongue out while his mouth hangs open

    #cletustheslackjawedyokel

  93. Gerta Rauss says:

    leadfarmer: Can I get a refund on my gamecenter package since my team failed to show up for the year?

    If you have any success with this let me know-I just made my first of 4 payments

    I got suckered in after the Ranger game in Nov and they promptly lost 11 in a row

    dumbest purchase I’ve made in a while

  94. cabbiesmacker says:

    jzed:
    The MacT effect on the bench is quite underwhelming

    It’s quite possible it’s had a reverse effect from it’s intention. Who wants to put out when the guy that can move you to another team is standing right behind you?

    I’d spend an entire shift riding my stick around like a horsey and fire a perfectly angled waterbottle deflection off his noggin. That ought to get the job done.

  95. TemujinBC says:

    pocession charge,

    Yeah, I’ll do that. Really hard to get 4-packs side by side, but even if it doesn’t happen that’s okay too.

    I must be bat-sh*t crazy for taking my family across the Rocky Mountains in the middle of winter….

  96. Hammers says:

    All I want for Christmas is #1 A GOALIE #2 A Center #3 2 more “D” . What I don’t want after Christmas #1 McT behind the bench #2 Hunt , Nikitin , & Ference on the team . #3 Scrivens & Fasth Merry Christmas to all and to all a goodnight maybe Goodby .

  97. rich says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Classic moment when MacT pulled the tongue out of Harvey the Hound.

    Oh for the days when we would at least win a few games, or get a few smiles out of a game.

    Le sigh.

  98. regwald says:

    TemujinBC,

    Go to Oilers website and go to the bottom of the page and click on the link for the NHL Ticket Exchange. You should be able to get reasonable priced tickets on there. There’s a surcharge you have to pay, but depending on the game and timing, some tickets are priced below season ticket holder prices. 60% of cost or less depending where you want to sit.

  99. McSorley33 says:

    So…….Stauffer…..predictions on how many games Oilers will win in January?

  100. regwald says:

    McSorley33:
    So…….Stauffer…..predictions on how many games Oilers will win in January?

    Well they have 5 pts so far with 4 games to go. They could easily hit 7 pts (not the 7 wins he predicted).

  101. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Woodguy:
    The only way this isn’t bottom is if CAL pounds them 6-0 on Saturday.

    You’re so joking. It can get worse. How many times have we called the nadir in the past only to stoop to new lows? The 8 goal pounding last year to Calgary was supposed to be the nadir, for example. It can get worse, it has gotten worse, it likely will get worse.

  102. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy

    I don’t think you are going to make your seven wins in December.

    When it comes to the Oilers, always take the under.

  103. Bruce McCurdy says:

    And your name is?: There must be nights were Bruce struggles to contribute more than one sentence per synopsis.

    Just reading this now, but yes there are nights like that. Many, many of them. But it so happens tonight I happened to act on the grade-sentence method. (Once I got my rant out of the way in the preamble, that is.) Enjoy!

  104. Dark Asia says:

    Are we entertained?

    Frankly I am, watching Dubnyk, Gagner, Hemskty & Horcoff shove it down the collective throat of the Oilers management team this week.

    Unless Katz fires every old boy on Jan 1 then the implosion of this franchise is going to be epic. Every #1 demanding a trade or walking, Petry gone UFA, Lander and Marincin to Europe. You think this is bad, brother, you haven’t seen anything yet if Mr. 6 Rings and his band of hangers on are still part of this organization when the snow melts.

    But for tonight I am very satisfied to see my boy Dubnyk give it to MacT & Co again – sweet baby.

  105. Johnny says:

    Dark Asia,

    “Like”, “cheers”, “this”… What do I need to do here?

  106. Capitalist says:

    I hear that Christmas sees a huge spike in suicides.

  107. Captain's Log says:

    Well thanks Oilers for another depressing game of hockey. I hope they realize that with oil prices going the way the Oilers are they can’t count on the wealth of this city to keep putting seats in the stands.

    TV ratings are plummeting I’m sure and I can’t imagine merchandise sales are hot. I go to games and people may be showing up still but lots are late and lots are leaving early. This continued suckage I think is going to really start showing up in the Oilers’ books soon.

    Fingers crossed that it does so that maybe Katz wakes up and blows up the front office finally.

  108. jb says:

    So much fluff and focus on results n stuff here. The real question remains, does the corsi suggest we’ll start winning games again soon?

    Is another 3.2 corsi floaters per game enough to propel us into the playoffs?

  109. Yeti says:

    I think it’s worth noting that when this team contrives to find new ways to lose badly to abysmal opposition; when the corgis have contracted rabies; and when the management is floating insane trade notions to the press: just remember…

    Some things in life are bad
    They can really make you mad
    Other things just make you swear and curse
    When you’re chewing on life’s gristle
    Don’t grumble, give a whistle
    And this’ll help things turn out for the best…

    Always look on the bright side
    of life…
    Always look on the light side
    of life…

    If life seems jolly rotten
    There’s something you’ve forgotten
    And that’s to laugh and smile and dance and sing
    When you’re feeling in the dumps
    Don’t be silly chumps
    Just purse your lips and whistle
    – that’s the thing.
    And…always look on the bright
    side of life…

  110. FTO says:

    Yeti,

    One of my favourite movie scenes. Thanks for that, needed a laugh.

  111. GCW_69 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Just reading this now, but yes there are nights like that. Many, many of them. But it so happens tonight I happened to act on the grade-sentence method. (Once I got my rant out of the way in the preamble, that is.) Enjoy!

    Player grades were classic for this game.

    Better keep your thesaurus handy. As long as this management team is running the show, you will be able to reuse the prose over and over again.

  112. GCW_69 says:

    Yeti:
    I think it’s worth noting that when this team contrives to find new ways to lose badly to abysmal opposition; when the corgis have contracted rabies; and when the management is floating insane trade notions to the press: just remember…

    Some things in life are bad
    They can really make you mad
    Other things just make you swear and curse
    When you’re chewing on life’s gristle
    Don’t grumble, give a whistle
    And this’ll help things turn out for the best…

    Always look on the bright side
    of life…
    Always look on the light side
    of life…

    If life seems jolly rotten
    There’s something you’ve forgotten
    And that’s to laugh and smile and dance and sing
    When you’re feeling in the dumps
    Don’t be silly chumps
    Just purse your lips and whistle
    – that’s the thing.
    And…always look on the bright
    side of life…

    You mean, like, Lowe and MacT are older than me, so even if they have jobs for life, they are likely to die first, so I should have the opportunity to watch some good oiler hockey before I die?

  113. Ca$h-Money! says:

    belcolt91: Development isn’t a race, there’s no metric you can put on it. In one year, the “race” can be flipped entirely right on it’s head due to a large amount of factors (ultimately a lack of evidence), and your informed guess is out the window.

    Look at Hall and Seguin. Up until last year, I’d say most if not all Oiler fans weren’t even looking back on that decision. NOW you have people questioning it, and I could say right now that we’d made a mistake, that Seguin is the better player, based on the evidence we have. The truth is it’s too early even to make this claim, even after 5 years, let alone Yak vs Gal.

    The “race” is far from over. Don’t place your “bet” after the first few laps.

    I feel like the only thing we’re arguing about is what constitutes a good bet. If two runners were ranked approximately evenly in the 100m dash, and after the first second one runner was 2 meters ahead of the other runner, and you gave me even odds, I’d take that bet.

    I understand the race isn’t over… but if I’m “placing a bet after the first few laps” and I view the competitors from the start as being basically even, it seems like it’s a good idea to bet on the guy in front. I understand that doesn’t mean I’m going to win, but it means that what were once 50/50 odds are now 55/45 odds…

    So yeah, I stand by my statement.

    Let me be perfectly clear: I want to be wrong, both because I like the Oilers and because I am extremely fond of Nail Yakupov as both a hockey player and a young man of what appears to be exceptional character.

  114. PhrankLee says:

    I have this argument with my young adult children all the time. It’s a very bizarre feeling to take the argument and apply it to MacT who is admittedly about 10 years older than I. My argument, and it’s always about finishing something, is this:

    I am 100% supportive of alternative thinking/methods.

    100% supportive if it equals or surpasses conventional thinking/methods.

    If it does not duplicate or transcend the results of conventional thinking/methods, it was not, at any time, inventive or alternative.

    OP, LT calls it “smartest guys in the room”.

    I do not find it worthwhile having MacT on the bench. I admit to some nostalgia and hope upon hearing it.

    But seeing it…

    It is sickeningly and hopelessly embarrassing to the team.

    Not to mention the city.

  115. sliderule says:

    leadfarmer,

    The whole oiler management is infested with incompetents.

    The scouting department especially so.

    The amateur scouts are easy to rate the pro scouts less so.

    Stu was in charge of amateur scouting when they have been near the bottom in success with picks after the first round.

    Three goals among those players since 2008.Two hundred forty games played while the top drafting teams have close to a thousand.

    Stu has to be the one that falls on the sword because he had the power to change the scouts and select the best pick options these scouts offered.

  116. rich says:

    Dark Asia:
    Are we entertained?

    Frankly I am, watching Dubnyk, Gagner, Hemskty & Horcoff shove it down the collective throat of the Oilers management team this week.

    Unless Katz fires every old boy on Jan 1 then the implosion of this franchise is going to be epic. Every #1 demanding a trade or walking, Petry gone UFA, Lander and Marincin to Europe. You think this is bad, brother, you haven’t seen anything yet if Mr. 6 Rings and his band of hangers on are still part of this organization when the snow melts.

    But for tonight I am very satisfied to see my boy Dubnyk give it to MacT & Co again – sweet baby.

    Wow. Just wow.

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