NO. 21-30: THE SECONDARY MODERNS

There are (again) 40 prospects worth noting in the system so I’ll run 10 now and then the final grouping in another post. The Oilers system currently has three top-level talents (Leon, Darnell and Oscar) then about five who are second tier (Bogdan, Chase, Pakarinen, Jujhar, Dillon, Platzer) and a third grouping that takes us to about 17 or 18. After that, anyone could go 19-30 and I’m fairly confident it’s a crapshoot after the top 9 this year.

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  • No. 21 (23): D Brandon Davidson (4GP, 0-0-0 NHL; 17GP, 2-3-5 AHL). A very nice season for the young man, made his NHL debut and was steady from the opening whistle. As with all defensemen in the system not named Nurse and Klefbom, Davidson has an uphill climb. His first NHL audition bodes well. If he makes the team and plays  seasons, I’d suggest it will be third pairing and penalty killing. He did have some offense in junior but as with many young defensemen the opportunities to impact that part of the game fades once turning pro.

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  • No. 22 (25): D Jordan Oesterle (24GP, 4-9-13 AHL). I considered him for the top 20 but it’s hard to know how much he gives away defensively. I think he could end up being an NHL player but we need to see more of him. One area he really has an edge is skating ability, we’ll just have to wait and see if he can figure out the finer aspects of positioning and defending at speed. Interesting prospect, one to follow.

Checkers vs. OKC Barons 10-5-13

  • No. 23 (16) D David Musil (24GP, 0-2-2 AHL) Musil has a skating issue and at this point I’m convinced there are so many good to excellent candidates in front of him he may never get an NHL chance. His Dad had the same issues and played a long time but that was a different era. I think it’s a major tell from the organization that Musil has remained in the minors while others (with less pedigree) are getting their chances. You know what’s worse than not drafting the son of one of your scouts? Drafting him and then watching him get passed by lower picks and college free agents.

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  • No. 24 (17): G Zach Nagelvoort (13GP, 2.78 .904 NCAA) He lost the thing that made him an intriguing prospect (.929 save percentage) and now looks like most other college goalies. He has much of the season to recover but that has been an uneven start to his post-draft career. He was .920 or better every year before this one so perhaps he can recover. Just the third player from the 2014 draft to appear on the list.

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  • No. 25 (33) L Aidan Muir (15GP, 1-5-6 NCAA). Big winger is getting some playing time as a freshman at Western Michigan. I think he has a legit chance as an Oiler because of this: Chris Dilks Muir is a 6’3″ 180 lbs. power forward. He’s a decent skater for his size, though there is still some room for improvement. With his frame, there’s also the potential to add a little more strength. His biggest attribute is his grit and toughness in the dirty areas of the ice along the boards and in front of the net, and that he has the hands to make plays in tight spaces.”

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  • No. 26 (24) D Ben Betker (28GP, 1-6-7 WHL). Big man is a good skater and plays heavy minutes. A concussion derailed him as things approached mid-season but he’s a promising stay-at-home type with size and speed. Could he be a Matt Greene type? That’s his outer marker. Back from injury now.

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  • No. 27 (32) R Steve Pinizzotto (18GP, 2-2-4 NHL; 9GP, 0-6-6 AHL). 30-year old has been kicking around the AHL since 2006, latching on to an NHL job in Edmonton courtesy a strong training camp (although he did lose the roster spot to Jesse Joensuu, Pinizzotto won the job). Hard working winger with a lot of try, he’s not going to be a big scorer but looks like he can chip in a little. THN calls him industrious, I think that’s a great description.

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  • No. 28 (19) F Tyler Vesel (18GP, 4-8-12 NCAA) Freshman at Nebraska-Omaha getting some more icetime as the season rolls along. The Oilers took him for a specific reason, as framed by Stu MacGregor: “We also took players entering college which gives us a longer look at them, two to four years before you have to decide whether to sign them or not.” I question the wisdom of that strategy, one of the things we may see changed in the future.

Utica vs. OKC Barons 1-9-14

  • No. 29 (36) F Andrew Miller (28GP, 8-11-19 AHL) Miller is scoring at a higher than projected (by me) rate this season and good things are being written about him. The problem for Miller comes down to this: I can’t projected him as the next Mark Arcobello because he’s just one month younger than Mark Arcobello. There’s nothing about him that stands out, so I think he’s a guy who is going to need an enormous break like an expansion draft.

Wild vs. Barons 4-19-14

  • No. 30 (34) G Frans Tuohimaa (3GP, 4.22 .904; 16GP, 2.66 .901 ECHL) One of the last Finns standing in this organiation, Tuohimaa hasn’t been special in any way this season. I don’t think he’s lost ground to Bunz or Rimmer but it’s clear Brossoit has moved in front of the pro prospect list and the club is going to be upgrading the position. Tuohimaa may be in a little trouble as an Oilers prospect.

31-40 at 5 (unless the Oilers do something).

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26 Responses to "NO. 21-30: THE SECONDARY MODERNS"

  1. regwald says:

    Unless the Oilers do something? Oh such a funny comment. MacT is too busy coaching to care about anything else. I can see him on the ice explaining crossovers for the speed competition and how to cradle pucks from a pass on the target shooting.

    One sign of bad management – doing things not in your job description that you pay others to do while ignoring your own responsibilities.

  2. RexLibris says:

    No. 24 (17): G Zach Nagelvoort (13GP, 2.78 .904 NCAA) He lost the thing that made him an intriguing prospect (.929 save percentage) and now looks like most other college goalies. He has much of the season to recover but that has been an uneven start to his post-draft career. He was .920 or better every year before this one so perhaps he can recover. Just the third player from the 2014 draft to appear on the list.

    Drafted by Edmonton and assigned immediately to the goalie graveyard.

    #BecauseOilers

    😉

  3. RexLibris says:

    regwald:
    Unless the Oilers do something?Oh such a funny comment. MacT is too busy coaching to care about anything else. I can see him on the ice explaining crossovers for the speed competition and how to cradle pucks from a pass on the target shooting.

    One sign of bad management – doing things not in your job description that you pay others to do while ignoring your own responsibilities.

    While I share your feelings of frustration, to be fair we should note that Lou Lamoriello has fired several coaches and stepped behind the bench on a few occasions as well.

    MacTavish is not Lamoriello, but this one act doesn’t entirely undermine his credentials as a manager. His many other actions, and inactions, suffice to determine his competence at this point.

    Like LT, my worry right now is about who is scouting the WJs.

    I watched a little bit of Finland’s opening game and came away very impressed with Ahl. If he is available when the Oilers pick in the 2nd round I would like them to select him. If Ahl falls to Detroit while the Oilers are busy finding the next Moroz or Musil (no offense to the players) then I will be as ready as anyone to fire the whole lot of them into the sun.

  4. flyfish1168 says:

    looks like the are having some fun. Maybe this is what is needed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WglARtRZ9sA

  5. Ryan says:

    What other organization grabs a reach pick with issues because his dad is a scout/former player? At 31 no less…

    These types of examples encapsulates most of what’s wrong with this organization.

    The pick looked terrible at the time and looks terrible 4 years later. Meanwhile, Andrew Shaw, Brandon Saad, Johnny f’ing hockey, Nikita Kucherov, Tom Jurco, Boone Jenner, Mathew Nieto, Ondrej Palat-all say, ‘hello.’

  6. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    RexLibris: then I will be as ready as anyone to fire the whole lot of them into the sun.

    Hey! What have you got against the sun? I doubt it would have any effect on them anyway, because they clearly know a thing or two about living with heat – they’ve withstood it for nine years (and counting).

  7. TheOtherJohn says:

    If Bogdan, Chase, Pakarinen, Jujhar, Dillon, Platzer are our 2nd tier prospects the Oilers have some serious problems because I suspect we don’t see the group of 6 players reach 200 GP total for the group. Realize we have to wait 5 years before we know that for sure but that’s definitely where the group is pointed. Whether that’s on amateur scouting or development or both I do not know.

    Again no top candidates outside of the 1st round. Guess we’re just not lucky

  8. Moose says:

    From the few times I’ve seen Betker play, he’s not much of a physical player, so the Matt Greene comparison might not be a great one. He is pretty mobile for a big man and makes a good first pass (something that Greene doesn’t). I can see him being one of those defenseman that Oiler media (and select fans) would run out of town if he ever made it here. “He’s soft!!!”…””He doesn’t hit anyone!!”…blah blah blah.

    He’s probably a guy that would be 3 years away, but I think he’s worth a contract if the Oilers can find a place for him in Bakersfield next year or even the ECHL (wherever that may be next year). At some point they’re gonna have to start making decision on some of these D prospects.

  9. Ice Sage says:

    Ryan,

    Devils took Brodeur’s mediocre kid with a late pick a few years back. Simpson Jr. was taken in the range.

    Are you suggesting our transparent Katzian Oilers have engaged in a wee bit of nepotism? Say it ain’t so 😉

    The 31st picks really do suck and were a tell that these guys are arrogant and anachronistic, going on ‘coke machine / Oilking / related to someone who once had something’ decisionmaking…

    Saw Betker pretty OK last night – a conservative Marincin type with less foot speed. Got checked ‘from underneath’ a few times against the boards though and this is against small 17 year olds… I’d predict a 6-7 option, paired with a wiley veteran, at best.

    Houck was meh

  10. Nostradumbass says:

    Ryan:
    What other organization grabs a reach pick with issues because his dad is a scout/former player?At 31 no less…

    These types of examples encapsulates most of what’s wrong with this organization.

    The pick looked terrible at the time and looks terrible 4 years later.Meanwhile, Andrew Shaw, Brandon Saad, Johnny f’ing hockey, Nikita Kucherov, Tom Jurco, Boone Jenner, Mathew Nieto, Ondrej Palat-all say, ‘hello.’

    The Oilers have strong organizational ties to the Hamilton and Chase picks as well

    Not to mention the Oilers by my count picked 13 of the 61 selections in the Stu era on players with BCJHL or BC teams in the WHL ties. Basically 20% of our picks were made within lunch distance of Stu’s home.

    I’m not definitively saying there was a bias there but it seems to me your highest factors of being drafted an Oiler after the 1st round are: Does management know your dad 2) do you currently play in BC

  11. Lowetide says:

    Barons Gameday ‏@BaronsGameDay 1m1 minute ago

    Today’s #OKCBarons lines: Miller-Yakimov-Ford; Winquist-Lander-Pakarinen; Moroz-Khaira-Ewanyk; K. Jones and C. Jones the extra forwards.

    Barons Gameday ‏@BaronsGameDay 2m2 minutes ago

    Today’s #OKCBarons defensive pairs: Simpson-Davidson; Oesterle-Musil; Marincin-Gernat; Ludwig the extra D-man. Brossoit in net. Bunz backup.

  12. rich says:

    OKC pbp man Jim Byars is a pleasure to listen to.

  13. Lowetide says:

    rich:
    OKC pbp man Jim Byars is a pleasure to listen to.

    He really is, I’m going to miss him.

  14. SwedishPoster says:

    Interesting tidbit from Nelson saying today before practice was the first time he had a chance to present his vision and ideas to the team.
    I assume we’ll start seeing some new lines and tactical tweaks the next few weeks. Can’t really review Nelson until 10-15 games after MacT leaves the bench.

    Pretty clear this has been MacT coaching the team the last couple of games. Or tbh the last season and a half. Eakins was most likely controlled by MacT the puppeteer.

  15. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Craig Button raving about Ivan Barbashev during 1st intermission. I predict a first ballot Hall of Fame career #becauseOilers.

    Meanwhile David Perron is a player in the National Hockey League.

    Siiigh.

  16. rich says:

    If there are going to be any changes for the game against the Kings, it will likely be moving guys in/out of the lineup (Aulie/Nikitin/Gazdic).

    OKC playing it’s 2nd game in 2 days in 2 cities today. Not likely they’ll bring up Lander/Marincin with them having no legs.

    Of course, leave it to MacT to call them up, have them play a bad game and he can then tell Nelson “told you so”.

  17. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Derek Roy available on waivers today.

    Of the free agents frequently listed (Jokinen, Ribero, etc.) he’s the one I maintain we had the best chance of actually wooing.

    I’m not convinced he would help, but he’s free for the taking now. Thoughts?

  18. Lowetide says:

    My thoughts on Roy being plucked are here

    http://oilersnation.com/2014/12/28/derek-roy-on-waivers

    Basically, if you think Lander is possibly part of the future, don’t take him. If you think Roy could help Yakupov or another forward develop, get him.

  19. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide:
    My thoughts on Roy being plucked are here

    http://oilersnation.com/2014/12/28/derek-roy-on-waivers

    Basically, if you think Lander is possibly part of the future, don’t take him. If you think Roy could help Yakupov or another forward develop, get him.

    I don’t see Roy as a credible replacement for Draisaitl.

    For Arcobello? That’s a whole ‘nother question. I don’t see the Oil wanting to go with TWO pint-sized pivots, so that would be the more logical landing spot for Roy should they grab him.

    Which still leaves room for Lander-up-Draisaitl-out before Jan 4.

  20. rich says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Like the idea of switching both out, but seriously doubt that MacT would go for Roy as it would be like admitting that he didn’t make 1 bad bet at C but 2 last summer. That’s too much of an admission of failure for this GM, especially if he’s starting to feel any kind of heat.

    And too bad too. It’s a very small bet to make that can’t get worse. Contract comes off the books at the end of the season, not much to lose unless they don’t get to take Draisaitl’s contract off their totals because he played more than 9 games.

  21. kinger_OIL says:

    Roy is a career 12% sh%, this year under 3%. Still something left in the tank: and for sure an upgrade right now over Dasshitty or Arco or Lander’s current level of play and experience. Even if you don’t agree with that, he adds competition, and depth and is an actual NHL C. Therefore he makes this team better immediately, therefore he will not be picked up…

  22. stush18 says:

    Like LT said last post, we just simply dont have enough NHL players to compete. I dont think its a player necessarily being a cancer in the room, this team starts winning and those accusations might start to disappear. Problem is the only depth or strength we have on our team is on the easiest position to gain strength.

    If i am gm, i would consider some problems.

    Defense cannot be really altered. Ference is stuck here, as is nikitin. I for one think nikitin is suffering from his injured back and ankle. I remember us commentating on how he played in pre season and the beginning of the year. Petry should be back, but whether or not he is will be another question.

    Goalies were a good bet. Play the odds, and the odds said they were at least very good backups. Noone saw them cratering. I also think there play is attributed to the defense and the lack of centerman.

    Mact fucked us at center. Completely. I had said they should break leon in on left wing and aign another center, because we all knew that he was going to make this team at the start of the year. However because of an albatross contract, there are no spots open on the wing anymore. Its silly to only have four centres on a team.

    Looking at this team for next year, our defense will largely stay the same. If we assume nikitin and petry and jultz stays, the only difference is a more mature klefbom. Is that good enough for advancement? Prolly not.

    Im sure we will keep scrivens, but i am not sure what we will do with fasth. We can sell him off at the deadline, but then who backs up? Bachman? As for next year, the odds of mact grabbing a goalie At a decent price are slim. Lets not forget that we do not have as much room with the cap as people think.

    Im not sure of the UFA centers next year, but if we continue on this path, we all know we will run nuge-drai-mceichel-gordon. If mact refused to fix the problem this year with arcobello, why would he fix it next year with a generational talent?

    Now which players hold actual value, not counting draft picks or prospects? ? Hall, nuge, ebs, perron yak gordon klef nurse marincin drai. Yak can be argued, and i think any trade with him would be for a different stalled prospect (say larsson). Players like purcell, nikitin, fayne pouliot, fasth, petry, hold little value because of their UFA status, their contracts, or because they were just signed.

    So how do we strengthen our depth down the middle, depth at defense, or depth at goal?

    One or two of our winger must be moved for depth in the middle. We also cannot retain or use any free cap space because we have none. So we need to do a multiple player for one deal, or switch identical contracts, because MacT has loaded us up with bad contracts.

    Looking at the roster, you have to think first that either maricin or klefbom are moved. The only spot we have any depth is at LD. Would marincin for boone jenner work? Klef for anisimov? Who knows. I just know that this team is set next year with ference-nikitin-klef/Marincin, and has there eye on nurse making this team next year or the next.

    Which of our wingers become expendable? Well not hall, and not pouliot or purcell. Teams wont take pouliota contract, and pucell was a recent buyout candidate. That leaves yak, perron, ebs. To me, this team needs to make a decision on yak, and feeding him minutes with drai and pitlick is not going to do anything. Theyve sewered his value.

    This leaves perron and ebs. Perron will be looking for a substantial raise, and we cannot afford to pay everyone 6 mill. So who do you keep? If i am gm, i keep perron and his attitude, and trade ebs. He has the most value, and could net us a decent goalie or defenseman.

    So if we follow all of these thoughts, we end up with a team like this.

    Hall-nuge-???
    Perron-drai-purcell
    Pouliot-???-???
    Hendricks-gordon-???(pitlick)
    Ference-???
    Nikitin-fayne
    Klef-???
    Aulie
    Scrivs-????

    The ??? Are players mentioned that i think will or should be moved. We fill one of the forward spots with, for the sake of arguement, eichel. I am assuming lander makes the step to the show, and either pitlick, iro, pinizotto take another spot.

    On defense, do we keep marincin on the right side? Hopefully, but who knows. Other then him, i dont think any prospect fills in the remaining roster spot.

    Heres what i do.
    Trade yak for larsson. Both prospects have stalled, and its the only way to save value for each team.
    Trade marincin for anisimov. I think that trade has enough value for colombus, and ita known they were shopping him.
    Now heres something crucial. An eberle trade. Can you make a deal for a defeseman and a prospect? A goalie and a prospect? For sake of arguement, lets say petr mrazek, sproul, and a pick? Or if thwy stay high on mrazek, ebs for howard? Or subban and smith?
    Next years team now looks like:

    Hall-nuge-perron
    Drai-anismov-purcell
    Pouliot-gordon-eichel
    Hendricks-lander-arco
    Nikitin-fayne
    Klef-schultz
    Ference larsson
    Aulie
    Mrazek-scrivs.

    Is this team any worse then this year?
    I dont think so. And our depth down the middle is much stronger. We have a legitimate goalie prospect. We have a defence that is equal to this year, i think.

    If nothing else, we get rid of some “core” players, shake up the team, and give up no prospects or draft picks.

    This is why im so frustrated. Because i can throw together a team that could literally not do any worse then this years team, with less salary, more depth, no UFAS signed, and to my eyes, more care. I know right now MacT is keeping the powder dry, and i agree with it. But he could have pulled these moves, or something similiar, earlier in the year, when the season was still salvageable. But management decided to say fuck this, lets grab some good prospects, well have even more potential next year. They cant make rationale decisions on players, and the stupidity and lack of care is dripping down to the players.

    Fuckin oilers.

  23. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Craig Button raving about Ivan Barbashev during 1st intermission. I predict a first ballot Hall of Fame career #becauseOilers.

    Meanwhile David Perron is a player in the National Hockey League.

    Siiigh.

    I’m at this game. Some serious skill On Russia and their goalie looks great as well. I came to watch Barbashev. I want to tear my hair out that the Blues got him with our pick. Meanwhile I love Perron but the Oilers are DFL and the odds he stays after his contract is up must be slim to none. Sigh indeed.

  24. jake70 says:

    Sportsnet has the 2003 Heritage classic on – Oilers+Canadiens. Chance to see Ty Conklin in action.

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