STUBBORN MACT TAKES A HOLIDAY, FINDS A CENTER

We’ve been talking about this for a few hours and despite passing on the waiver opportunity, the Edmonton Oilers have in fact acquired Derek Roy from the Nashville Predators.

 

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I think there are two major reasons to make this deal: Roy is still a better offensive player than Arco and Roy can play mentor to some of these kids. The other night, Todd Nelson iced a line that saw Leon Draisaitl centering Tyler Pitlick and Nail Yakupov.

That’s not a solution, that’s a problem. This helps address experience at center. Finally. Stubborn stubborn MacT takes a holiday.

DEREK ROY IN A BOX

  • Boxcars: 26GP, 1-9-10
  • 5×5 points-per-60: 1.66 (No. 6 among forwards on the Preds)
  • Time on ice: 13:30 a night (11:11 EV; 1:25 PP; 0:42 PK)
  • Faceoffs: No. 5 option (48% on 244 sorties)
  • Corsi For 5×5% 52.4 (most often: Craig Smith, Matt Cullen)

The 5×5 number trails only Nuge among Oilers centers and the team does have talented wingers to go with the veteran C. Anton Lander’s chances take a hit today, although Leon’s future is still in the balance (for this year). I like the trade for the reasons above.

As for Mark Arcobello, this is an opportunity but I’m sure it doesn’t feel that way today. He was caught between a rock and a hard place, with small and experience being the issues and lack of offense the final nail. He was a helluva Oiler and we should remember that today.

arcobello3Sail on, Yale Bulldog. You gave it your all and came to us in a confusing time. I think this might be the best thing for you and wish you well.

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79 Responses to "STUBBORN MACT TAKES A HOLIDAY, FINDS A CENTER"

  1. OilClog says:

    Wait.. So instead of getting him for free we trade Arco for him.

    We could of had him for free.

    Waived Gazdic.

    Had him for free.

    Kept Arco.

    Hooray for Lander?

    Man.

  2. Pouzar says:

    So Nuge-Roy-Drai-Gordon soon to be Nuge-Roy-Lander-Gordon?????????

  3. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    Pouzar:
    So Nuge-Roy-Drai-Gordon soon to be Nuge-Roy-Lander-Gordon?????????

    Yes please!

  4. OilLeak says:

    Still Stubborn, Mact could have sent Draisatl back to junior and kept Arcobello, this all but confirms Draisatl’s spot on the roster.

  5. russ99 says:

    Meh, this doesn’t really solve anything. This is moving Arcobello for a more experienced version of Arcobello.

    At least it’s an NHL center, can’t gripe too much.

    Still think we need to send Draisaitl down and get a more dynamic center than Roy to anchor the second line.

    At least our bottom six is pretty decent anchored by Gordon and Roy – given Gazdic doesn’t see much icetime.

    Now about that defense, MacT…

  6. vinotintazo says:

    So… one bass pass by arcobello = Traded!

  7. Moose says:

    Probably a 30 game pump and dump for Roy. Let him play some Top 6 offensive minutes with quality wingers and get a pick for him at deadline.

  8. LMHF#1 says:

    Gazdic must not be going anywhere. Pinizzotto is a much better player, hitter, skater and can take a pass. Still he gets waived before the useless Gazdic.

  9. gr8one says:

    “We’ve been talking about this for a few hours and despite passing on the waiver opportunity, the Edmonton Oilers have in fact acquired Derek Roy from the St. Louis Blues.”

    We know you meant the Preds.

  10. oliveoilers says:

    “Weeeeel, MacT nearly has it right. He’s figured out how that infernally difficult waiver wire works. Now he just has to claim a center instead of a younger Pinizzotto. Hear that MacT? A CEN-TER. That’s C-E-N-T-E-R. Center. Make it so.”

    I posted this on the Half Nelson thread earlier. MacT must have sensed a disturbance in the force. I would have preferred not to have had to give up a center to get a center, but hey ho what are ya gonna do? *runs from LT throwing something heavy in my direction*

    Progress? Could have had him for nothing and kept Arco for the farm. This convinces me that there is a kind of ‘gentleman’s agreement’ regarding waivers. If MacT called Poille and said “we’re thinking of claiming Roy” and Poille, being a sharp cookie said “well, that’ll mean waiving one of your centers, who we’ll claim. What are your plans on, ooh, let’s say Arcobello?” To which MacT says “I dunno. What’re your plans for RoyBoy?” Does this mean MacT has just gone done some genuine GMing?

  11. Pouzar says:

    Roy maybe washed up, who knows. But he is only 31 and a career .72 PPG scorer.
    I think the Oilers are rolling the dice that if he gets some added ice time with some skilled wingers
    he may catch fire.
    Arco is redundant with Lander waiting imo.

    Best of luck Arco.

  12. thepeetso says:

    OilClog:
    Wait.. So instead of getting him for free we trade Arco for him.

    We could of had him for free.

    Waived Gazdic.

    Had him for free.

    Kept Arco.

    Count me in on the confusion WTF?

    Why not just claim him?

  13. gr8one says:

    OilClog:
    Wait.. So instead of getting him for free we trade Arco for him.

    We could of had him for free.

    Waived Gazdic.

    Had him for free.

    Kept Arco.

    Hooray for Lander?

    Man.

    this.

  14. vinotintazo says:

    OilClog,

    you’re assuming someone will pick up gazdic?

  15. Pouzar says:

    thepeetso: Count me in on the confusion WTF?

    Why not just claim him?

    It’s one more contract on the 50 contract limit.
    And Lander is waiting. 🙂

  16. Woodguy says:

    thepeetso: Count me in on the confusion WTF?

    Why not just claim him?

    MacT probably wants flexibility on the 50 man roster.

    This way they stay at 47 instead of 48.

    When they trade Hall for 2 9’s and an 8 you need the room on the 50 man.

    3 for 1 trade is coming, but not in the way LT every imagined it.

    Seriously though, makes sense if they occupy the same spot on the roster and you never want to be too close to 50 on the 50 man, need flexibility.

    Trade is ok.

  17. Pouzar says:

    thepeetso: Are we at 50?

    No. And you don’t ever want to be.

  18. oilersfan says:

    Maybe they decided to take Paajarvi so decided to trade arco instead of just take Roy on waivers to keep some 50 man flexibility.

    Picking up MP would really make my day

  19. vinotintazo says:

    Roy is an Older and Smaller LHS Gagner.

  20. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: MacT probably wants flexibility on the 50 man roster.

    This way they stay at 47 instead of 48.

    When they trade Hall for 2 9’s and an 8 you need the room on the 50 man.

    3 for 1 trade is coming, but not in the way LT every imagined it.

    Seriously though, makes sense if they occupy the same spot on the roster and you never want to be too close to 50 on the 50 man, need flexibility.

    Trade is ok.

    Yeah I am sure Haggerty has some dandy proposals for ya!

    How does Chris Kelly-Matt Fraser (oh yeah I forgot)-Malcom Subban sound?

  21. bsmart says:

    Now claim Paajarvi and dump gadzic and call it a day.

  22. Woodguy says:

    . The other night, Todd Nelson iced a line that saw Leon Draisaitl centering Tyler Pitlick and Nail Yakupov.
    That’s not a solution, that’s a problem. This helps address experience at center. Finally. Stubborn stubborn MacT takes a holiday.

    Yeah, but this trade does nothing to address that issue.

    Not unless they put Roy with Yak and Ptilick and move DrySaddle to tougher minutes with Perron and Purcell. I doubt that happens.

    Anton Lander’s chances take a hit today, although Leon’s future is still in the balance (for this year)

    I think Lander’s opportunity has always been tied to what they do with Saddle this year so I don’t think much changed there either.

    Next step is PA trading Saddle’s rights to Kelowna and the OIlers sending him back.

    Lots of smoke around that one.

  23. Lowetide says:

    Maybe the Oilers claim Paajarvi tomorrow and it was MP and Roy for Arco? Oilers don’t have a lot of room (47) but can take on Paajarvi.

  24. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar: Yeah I am sure Haggerty has some dandy proposals for ya!

    How bout Chris Kelly-Matt Fraser (oh yeah I forgot)-Malcom Subban sound?

    There was been some amazingly awful ones from people like Haggs who actually vote on NHL awards.

    Man.

  25. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    . The other night, Todd Nelson iced a line that saw Leon Draisaitl centering Tyler Pitlick and Nail Yakupov.
    That’s not a solution, that’s a problem. This helps address experience at center. Finally. Stubborn stubborn MacT takes a holiday.

    Yeah, but this trade does nothing to address that issue.

    Not unless they put Roy with Yak and Ptilick and move DrySaddle to tougher minutes with Perron and Purcell. I doubt that happens.

    Anton Lander’s chances take a hit today, although Leon’s future is still in the balance (for this year)

    I think Lander’s opportunity has always been tied to what they do with Saddle this year so I don’t think much changed there either.

    Next step is PA trading Saddle’s rights to Kelowna and the OIlers sending him back.

    Lots of smoke around that one.

    There’s no reason at all Roy can’t center Yakupov and Perron tomorrow night. It doesn’t have to be all one way or another. This is a flex move.

  26. G Money says:

    Since Roy went on waivers, I have been calling the idea of not claiming him to be inexcusable.

    Real NHL Centre. Real NHL Centre. Real NHL Centre. More games than all Oiler C not named Boyd Gordon – put together.

    WTF?

    He’s not the panacea for the many ills facing this team, but at least he’s now given Yak a chance. A chance. (Take it, young man)

    The trading of Arco makes absolutely no sense UNLESS a. Drai goes back to Jr b. Lander’s up for good for the season and gets a legit shot with some skill on his wings, and c. there is a contract limit issue involved.

    Otherwise the obvious question of why you would pay a depth C (Arco’s a useful guy as your 4C or AHL 1C) for half a season’s worth of Roy when you could have had him for free needs to be asked (and answered).

    And if the answer is “Um”, then, good acquisition aside, MacT needs to go.

  27. fifthcartel says:

    Matt Hackett is also on waivers, and his NHL numbers aren’t that good but his AHL and junior numbers are fairly solid.

    Maybe they claim him and give him a shot? Only 24, too.

  28. bsmart says:

    Woodguy: . The other night, Todd Nelson iced a line that saw Leon Draisaitl centering Tyler Pitlick and Nail Yakupov.That’s not a solution, that’s a problem. This helps address experience at center. Finally. Stubborn stubborn MacT takes a holiday.Yeah, but this trade does nothing to address that issue.Not unless they put Roy with Yak and Ptilick and move DrySaddle to tougher minutes with Perron and Purcell. I doubt that happens.Anton Lander’s chances take a hit today, although Leon’s future is still in the balance (for this year)I think Lander’s opportunity has always been tied to what they do with Saddle this year so I don’t think much changed there either.Next step is PA trading Saddle’s rights to Kelowna and the OIlers sending him back.Lots of smoke around that one.

    I don’t see this happening after Kelowna already acquired Morrisey and had to give several assets in return.

  29. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy:
    . The other night, Todd Nelson iced a line that saw Leon Draisaitl centering Tyler Pitlick and Nail Yakupov.
    That’s not a solution, that’s a problem. This helps address experience at center. Finally. Stubborn stubborn MacT takes a holiday.

    Yeah, but this trade does nothing to address that issue.

    Not unless they put Roy with Yak and Ptilick and move DrySaddle to tougher minutes with Perron and Purcell. I doubt that happens.

    Anton Lander’s chances take a hit today, although Leon’s future is still in the balance (for this year)

    I think Lander’s opportunity has always been tied to what they do with Saddle this year so I don’t think much changed there either.

    Next step is PA trading Saddle’s rights to Kelowna and the OIlers sending him back.

    Lots of smoke around that one.

    I don’t understand how this doesn’t increase Lander’s chances. I am convinced Drai is getting sent back to Jr.

    Oh yeah…..nevermind.

  30. russ99 says:

    So… Since MacT finally made some moves to shake up the roster, gotta wonder one thing…

    Do you think Ference would be close to a point where he’d waive his NTC? No doubt the kids are tuning him out in the room.

  31. VanOil says:

    So the roster tomorrow could be;

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-Roy-Purcell
    MPS-Lander-Yak
    Hendricks-Gordon-Fraser/Pitlick

    Russian Tire Fire-Petry
    Young Tire Fire-Fayne
    Old TIre Fire-Norris Tire Fire

    Forwards looks like a middling NHL roster, the Defense might have a few issues and well I a can’t talk about the goalies with out swearing.

    I like MPS-Lander-Yak as a third line.

  32. Captain's Log says:

    It’s one more contract on the 50 limit…which makes sense only if you plan on doing something crazy later in a 3 for 1 trade or some such….

    If the space under that limit goes unused then it’s pretty dumb not to get him for free…

  33. russ99 says:

    G Money:
    Since Roy went on waivers, I have been calling the idea of not claiming him to be inexcusable.

    Real NHL Centre.Real NHL Centre.Real NHL Centre.More games than all Oiler C not named Boyd Gordon – put together.

    WTF?

    He’s not the panacea for the many ills facing this team, but at least he’s now given Yak a chance.A chance.(Take it, young man)

    The trading of Arco makes absolutely no sense UNLESS a. Drai goes back to Jr b. Lander’s up for good for the season and gets a legit shot with some skill on his wings, and c. there is a contract limit issue involved.

    Otherwise the obvious question of why you would pay a depth C (Arco’s a useful guy as your 4C or AHL 1C) for half a season’s worth of Roy when you could have had him for free needs to be asked (and answered).

    And if the answer is “Um”, then, good acquisition aside, MacT needs to go.

    I see your point, but considering how they’ve hesitated on Lander, there has to be another shoe dropping at center once Draisaitl is sent down.

    I don’t see the Oilers going with Nuge, Roy, Gordon, Arcobello – or Lander for that matter. One of those players is not like the others, and since lack of offense is one of our bigger problems, we’re not running with all but two of the 20+ goal scoring wingers playing with three bottom six/defense first centers.

    That doesn’t help Yak, though who knows, maybe they click.

  34. oilersfan says:

    vinotintazo,

    Gagner never scored 81 points and 30 goals in the NHL… He hasnt even scored 50 and 20,and he was never the memorial cup MVP either… Seems like Roy’s career never recovered after shoulder and leg surgery. A lot like hemsky that way but a center … Same age too

  35. Salt N Peca says:

    So does Roy have to go through waivers again?

  36. Melman says:

    What’s the over/under on how many guys are choked they didn’t get traded but Arco did? 14?

  37. Pouzar says:

    oilersfan:
    vinotintazo,

    Gagner never scored 81 points and 30 goals in the NHL… He hasnt even scored 50 and 20,and he was never the memorial cup MVP either… Seems like Roy’s career never recovered after shoulder and leg surgery. A lot like hemsky that way but a center … Same age too

    P/60

    1.20 – Gagner
    2.10 – Roy

    Just sayin.

    Coaches/scouts maybe seeing Roy BAD but I am not convinced he has gotten much of the prime minutes he used to enjoy has a top 6 player over the last few years.

  38. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Mayhaps the Oil will win a game tomorrow. Either that or watching all these royal bank commercials during the Juniors is getting to me.

    #someday
    #isitbetterforatirefiretoburnoutorfadeaway?

  39. G Money says:

    russ99,

    I still don’t get what you’re saying.

    Roy is a career 0.7+ ppg player – solidly 2C territory, NOT “checking centre” as you said previously. (Trivia: his career ppg is higher than Nuge’s career ppg)

    He’s slowed down of late, no doubt, but at 31 should still be able to contribute at a higher level offensively than Gordon, Lander, Arco, or Draisaitl, all of whom he’s outscoring by a wide margin at p/60.

    He immediately becomes our 2C, and the good news is, it’s not even close – he’s a big upgrade at that position over any of the incumbents.

    If you want to give this team a chance at developing into something remotely non-pathetic, you’re going to see the kids reunited, Drai back to Jr, Roy centering Yak, Hendricks-Gordon-Fraser getting the hard minutes, and Lander with two of Purcell, Pouliot, Perron swimming in butter.

  40. jb says:

    I was under the impression Roy was pretty much done, lost most of his speed, and don’t see him providing anything physically.. but I guess an upgrade is still an upgrade..

  41. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: There’s no reason at all Roy can’t center Yakupov and Perron tomorrow night. It doesn’t have to be all one way or another. This is a flex move.

    That’s true but they seem stuck on:

    LW
    Hall
    Perron
    Yak

    RW
    Eberle
    Purcell
    Pitlick

    Maybe Nelson isn’t as tied to “sticks on the boards” as Eakins was, but knowing that it wasn’t just Eakins who thinks that way in the coaching staff, I doubt it changes.

    It might.

  42. Pouzar says:

    G Money:
    russ99,

    I still don’t get what you’re saying.

    Roy is a career 0.7+ ppg player – solidly 2C territory, NOT “checking centre” as you claim.(Trivia: his career ppg is higher than Nuge’s career ppg)

    He’s slowed down of late, no doubt, but at 31 should still be able to contribute at a higher level offensively than Gordon, Lander, Arco, or Draisaitl, all of whom he’s outscoring by a wide margin at p/60.

    He immediately becomes our 2C, and the good news is, it’s not even close – he’s a big upgrade at that position over any of the incumbents.

    If you want to give this team a chance at developing into something remotely non-pathetic, you’re going to see the kids reunited, Drai back to Jr, Roy centering Yak, Hendricks-Gordon-Fraser getting the hard minutes, and Lander with two of Purcell, Pouliot, Perron swimming in butter.

    This. I am done.

  43. Woodguy says:

    bsmart: I don’t see this happening after Kelowna already acquired Morrisey and had to give several assets in return.

    PA somehow didn’t give up their 1st in the bantam draft for Morrisey.

    Word is PA will trade the rights to Saddle for Kelowna’s 3rd which will increase to their 1st if Saddle is sent back.

    Rumour is that Oilers won’t send him back unless that deal gets done first as they don’t want him playing in PA (speaking of tire fires…..)

  44. Woodguy says:

    VanOil,

    Russian Tire Fire-Petry
    Young Tire Fire-Fayne
    Old TIre Fire-Norris Tire Fire

    Those are very apt and awesome descriptions.

  45. G Money says:

    VanOil: Russian Tire Fire-Petry
    Young Tire Fire-Fayne
    Old TIre Fire-Norris Tire Fire

    In fairness, if we call Klefbom the “Young Tire Fire” because he’s looked pretty crappy the last few games, I think Fayne should be “Veteran Tire Fire”, because he’s been fairly awful the last few as well.

    To appease the “Petry is Soft” crowd, you could dub Petry “Marshmellow in a Fire”.

  46. Woodguy says:

    Captain’s Log:
    It’s one more contract on the 50 limit…which makes sense only if you plan on doing something crazy later in a 3 for 1 trade or some such….

    If the space under that limit goes unused then it’s pretty dumb not to get him for free…

    You never know when you need your 50 flexibility.

    Luck favours the prepared mind and the flexible roster.

    They saw Roy and Arco as close enough to the same as not wanting both.

    Its not a bad deal, at all.

  47. Woodguy says:

    G Money,

    To appease the “Petry is Soft” crowd, you could dub Petry “Marshmellow in a Fire”.

    Never appease those people.

    Ever.

  48. blainer says:

    Woodguy: MacT probably wants flexibility on the 50 man roster.

    This way they stay at 47 instead of 48.

    When they trade Hall for 2 9’s and an 8 you need the room on the 50 man.

    3 for 1 trade is coming, but not in the way LT every imagined it.

    Seriously though, makes sense if they occupy the same spot on the roster and you never want to be too close to 50 on the 50 man, need flexibility.

    Trade is ok.

    Agreed. The 50 man is fine even with the three for one trade. No problem including a prospect like Ewanyk or Hamilton to even out the contracts.. it’s just good to see MacT trying to make some moves to help the room. For that reason alone it’s a good move and at the same time appease the vet’s. it’s a start… and he may not be done. I would say be careful though no need to screw up our McEichel plans but I think we are safe there as long as he does not mess with the current Goaltending…

  49. G Money says:

    jb:
    I was under the impression Roy was pretty much done, lost most of his speed, and don’t see him providinganything physically.. but I guess an upgrade is still an upgrade..

    That becomes a concern if we sign him for 3 more years at $5M a year (don’t rule it out – it’s called the Ference plan).

    This year, despite his shortcomings, his 1.7 p/60 (that’s 10 pts in 26 games) puts him sixth on the Oilers, and his actual points put him at eight despite playing 10 fewer games than most.

  50. Gerta Rauss says:

    Salt N Peca:
    So does Roy have to go through waivers again?

    No

  51. Lowetide says:

    I put the winter top 20 post up with position by position analysis. Arco got traded during the damn thing so I’m kind of melancholy about it.

  52. G Money says:

    Woodguy,

    Where are you hearing these rumours?

    Where there’s smoke, there’s a tire fire?

  53. VanOil says:

    G Money: Marshmellow in a Fire

    Sadly the soon to be gone Marshmellow in a Fire, the Smores never did taste right with all that burning rubber and the open sewer in net just behind him.

  54. Gerta Rauss says:

    Moose:
    Probably a 30 game pump and dump for Roy. Let him play some Top 6 offensive minutes with quality wingers and get a pick for him at deadline.

    Yes

    It’ll be a modest return, assuming there is interest at all at the deadline, but it’ll be better than nothing. Claiming him off waivers today would have required the Oilers to waive him again prior to any deadline deal.

  55. G Money says:

    Suntory Hanzo: #isitbetterforatirefiretoburnoutorfadeaway?

    Which one stinks less and ends sooner?!? I pick that one.

  56. Suntory Hanzo says:

    With Hunt sent down, we might be out of the blue and into the black.

  57. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy,

    Where are you hearing these rumours?

    Where there’s smoke, there’s a tire fire?

    Some is actually hearing things other is piecing that stuff together with some comments you hear from guys like Bob and Gregor.

    That’s my best guess.

    I could be wrong.

    Kelowna does still have their first in the Bantam draft though, so the bullet is there to be used.

  58. Woodguy says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    With Hunt sent down, we might be out of the blue and into the black.

    Hey hey

    My my.

  59. Woodguy says:

    Gerta Rauss: Yes

    It’ll be a modest return, assuming there is interest at all at the deadline, but it’ll be better than nothing. Claiming him off waivers today would have required the Oilers to waive him again prior to any deadline deal.

    That’s a great point.

    Excellent point.

  60. blainer says:

    Pouzar:
    Roy maybe washed up, who knows. But he is only 31 and a career .72 PPG scorer.
    I think the Oilers are rolling the dice that if he gets some added ice time with some skilled wingers
    he may catch fire.
    Arco is redundant with Lander waiting imo.

    Best of luck Arco.

    I would add to that the oilers didn’t want to have Arco AND Roy as centers. Another small center would make it three with the Nuge. Just wish they could somehow move Dry to the wing.. if not send him back..

  61. Hammers says:

    oliveoilers:
    “Weeeeel, MacT nearly has it right. He’s figured out how that infernally difficult waiver wire works. Now he just has to claim a center instead of a younger Pinizzotto. Hear that MacT? A CEN-TER. That’s C-E-N-T-E-R. Center. Make it so.”

    I posted this on the Half Nelson thread earlier.MacT must have sensed a disturbance in the force.I would have preferred not to have had to give up a center to get a center, but hey ho what are ya gonna do?*runs from LT throwing something heavy in my direction*

    Progress?Could have had him for nothing and kept Arco for the farm.This convinces me that there is a kind of ‘gentleman’s agreement’ regarding waivers.If MacT called Poille and said “we’re thinking of claiming Roy” and Poille, being a sharp cookie said “well, that’ll mean waiving one of your centers, who we’ll claim.What are your plans on, ooh, let’s say Arcobello?”To which MacT says “I dunno.What’re your plans for RoyBoy?”Does this mean MacT has just gone done some genuine GMing?

    Obviously McT made his decision on Arco . Roy won’t be here next year. Didn’t want the extra contract . Arco got a fair shot .

  62. oliveoilers says:

    Hammers: Obviously McT made his decision on Arco .Roy won’t be here next year. Didn’t want the extra contract .Arco got a fair shot .

    I agree completely. MacT had made his mind up about Arco, Poille about Roy. What burns me with MacT is that he could have made his mind up long ago about Arco and nothing Arco could have done could have changed it. We could also have pitched for Roy when he was a UFA. Stubborn, stubborn, stubborn MacT.

  63. Moose says:

    Woodguy: That’s a great point.

    Excellent point.

    +1. Good call.

  64. jb says:

    G Money: That becomes a concern if we sign him for 3 more years at $5M a year (don’t rule it out – it’s called the Ference plan).

    This year, despite his shortcomings, his 1.7 p/60 (that’s 10 pts in 26 games) puts him sixth on the Oilers, and his actual points put him at eight despite playing 10 fewer games than most.

    You may have found the only positive way to see the player as-is. Now we’ll see team effects come into play. Just watch the p/60 drop while GA/60 skyrockets.

    I’ll agree there’s no way it’s looked at as a long term solution. Deadline flip is a solid prediction.

  65. Frank the angry dog says:

    Roy>Arcobello. Another step in the right direction.

  66. russ99 says:

    G Money:
    russ99,

    I still don’t get what you’re saying.

    Roy is a career 0.7+ ppg player – solidly 2C territory, NOT “checking centre” as you said previously.(Trivia: his career ppg is higher than Nuge’s career ppg)

    He’s slowed down of late, no doubt, but at 31 should still be able to contribute at a higher level offensively than Gordon, Lander, Arco, or Draisaitl, all of whom he’s outscoring by a wide margin at p/60.

    He immediately becomes our 2C, and the good news is, it’s not even close – he’s a big upgrade at that position over any of the incumbents.

    If you want to give this team a chance at developing into something remotely non-pathetic, you’re going to see the kids reunited, Drai back to Jr, Roy centering Yak, Hendricks-Gordon-Fraser getting the hard minutes, and Lander with two of Purcell, Pouliot, Perron swimming in butter.

    You can’t go on his career numbers, look at the last few years. He hasn’t been the same since the torn quad. We aren’t getting those numbers he put up with Buffalo.

    He was the third line center for Nashville until Calle Jarnkrok beat him out.

    He was had Selke considerations before his injury so even though he’s lost his elite playmaking chops, he still can defend well, especially for his size.

    So while he’s hard to categorize, he’s a lot closer to the third line checking defense-first center we’ve seen the last 2-3 years than the elite playmaking wizard we saw earlier in his career. Just because he’s better than most of our other centers doesn’t mean he’s something’s that he’s not.

    Who knows, maybe he can get some of that back playing with Yak and Perron, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

  67. grim.oil says:

    “OMG now we can ice the ‘not good enough for other teams line’. Pouliot-Roy-Purcell!!! I am sooo F****** happy! If only we can sign him to 5 yrs @ 5 mill…” ..who am I?

  68. GCW_69 says:

    I hope Nelson is whispering in MacT’s ear to pick up MPS off Waivers. MPS was in tough against the wingers on the blues, but against Pitlick, Gazdic, and even Hendricks he should show well.

  69. rickithebear says:

    Oiler goal scoring:
    RNH 10G
    Hall 10G
    Arcobello 7G
    Eberle 6G

    Roy 1G

    we traded a top 150 G scorer for 1G scorer.

    we should have traded eberle 6G for Matt fraser!

  70. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: They saw Roy and Arco as close enough to the same as not wanting both.
    Its not a bad deal, at all.

    Some day you will understand Goals count in winning not points or corsi.

  71. Jon K says:

    I have to say that I don’t think this deal improves the team long term at all. Roy is a shadow of his former self and probably is worse than Arcobello right now.

    Ugh.

  72. rich says:

    Jon K,

    Deal was not made for the long-term. It was made for the short-run.

    Don’t have a problem with the deal – you keep flexibility by trading contracts and add a more experienced center who does not make a lot of mistakes in his own zone.

    Don’t like going the “saw him well” route but having seen him in Nashville several times this season, MacT could have done worse. Just should have done something like this 3 months ago before the season had been sewered because of the lack of depth down the middle.

  73. PhrankLee says:

    Not the best period I’ve seen from Nurse.

  74. grim.oil says:

    Just when I couldn’t watch anymore they pull me back in…

    Since 2013-14 (when Arco joined) Roy has 47pts in 101gp while Arco has 30pts in 77gp. Roy is roughly .47ppg and Arco is roughly .39ppg. So as far as points go Roy is better than Arco. He is obviously more a NHLer than Arco. I’m not saying nothing about Corsi or anything but this is an upgrade for the Oil. My only problem with this trade is it gets the Oil a few more wins away from McEichel sweepstakes. He likely gets traded at deadline or dropped in offseason so long term doesn’t matter as Arco was not a long term anything. If anything maybe he can help bring some veteran leadership that Arco simply could not. My main question is what is MacT thinking? If it’s not ‘structured tank’ than I am confused. I am constantly told MacT is a smart hockey man yet he refuses to sign a C in the offseason. Than one of those very C’s (although probably my last choice) he trades for..?!? Here I am thinking its time to just ride this out and MacT caves to the fanbase…. Are we tanking or what??

  75. bcoil says:

    I think we we are starting to see the results of Mac T being behind the bench and seeing for himself some of the players that have to go because they have no hope of making it in the NHlL now or in the future.. Hunt gone Arco gone Pinozotto gone . I think we will see some more moves int he next few weeks.

  76. KSC10032 says:

    Woodguy: That’s a great point.Excellent point.

    Indeed it is, especially if combined with keeping space on the 50 contract @ a claim for MPS or someone else.

    I’m sentimental enough to (want to) think that Arcobello may have earned enough “good soldier” points to be sent to another NHL destination instead of pressbox limbo, the waiver wire or OKC (again).

  77. Really? says:

    Some fans are only happy if they are pissing and moaning about something.

    For weeks fans have been wanting MacT to do something to help improve the C position. They wanted a veteran who had some offensive upside. Now he has done something and many are still whining.

    That type of fan deserves the calibre of team they currently have.

  78. G Money says:

    jb: You may have found the only positive way to see the player as-is. Now we’ll see team effects come into play. Just watch the p/60 drop while GA/60 skyrockets.

    Yeah, I wouldn’t bet against it. A 1.6 p/60 probably should automatically be corrected by 50% when playing for the Oilers.

    russ99: So while he’s hard to categorize, he’s a lot closer to the third line checking defense-first center we’ve seen the last 2-3 years than the elite playmaking wizard we saw earlier in his career. Just because he’s better than most of our other centers doesn’t mean he’s something’s that he’s not.

    If we got the elite playmaker of his early career, we’d all be dancing in the streets instead of morosely pondering if this is really an improvement or not.

    But I’m not looking at those years, just this year, and the reality is that Roy has a vastly higher scoring rate then all of our Cs save the Toddler Nuge, and by a wide margin.

    That’s more an indictment of our roster than it is any credit to Roy.

    The value of this move has nothing to do with improving the Oilers. This one’s not even going to move the needle. What it does allow the Oilers to do is give Yak a veteran C (one who knows many things or twos more about playing in the D zone than the C he will replace), and will allow the Oil to send Draisaitl back to Jr.

    Whether they do or not remains an open question. This team has proven it can shoot itself in the foot in many different and creative ways. But at least the option to do the right thing is now before them.

    grim.oil: My only problem with this trade is it gets the Oil a few more wins away from McEichel sweepstakes.

    If the goaltending continues as it has been, nothing will change for this team, and nothing will keep the team from DFL.

    If the goaltending improves, the sweepstakes are at risk, whether Roy is there or not.

    This is about an opportunity for player development (Yak and Drai specifically), it really won’t affect the teams standings in any way.

  79. KSC10032 says:

    G Money: Yeah, I wouldn’t bet against it. A 1.6 p/60 probably should automatically be corrected by 50% when playing for the Oilers.If we got the elite playmaker of his early career, we’d all be dancing in the streets instead of morosely pondering if this is really an improvement or not.But I’m not looking at those years, just this year, and the reality is that Roy has a vastly higher scoring rate then all of our Cs save the Toddler Nuge, and by a wide margin.That’s more an indictment of our roster than it is any credit to Roy.The value of this move has nothing to do with improving the Oilers. This one’s not even going to move the needle. What it does allow the Oilers to do is give Yak a veteran C (one who knows many things or twos more about playing in the D zone than the C he will replace), and will allow the Oil to send Draisaitl back to Jr.Whether they do or not remains an open question. This team has proven it can shoot itself in the foot in many different and creative ways. But at least the option to do the right thing is now before them.If the goaltending continues as it has been, nothing will change for this team, and nothing will keep the team from DFL.If the goaltending improves, the sweepstakes are at risk, whether Roy is there or not.This is about an opportunity for player development (Yak and Drai specifically), it really won’t affect the teams standings in any way.

    This. All day long, though, I agree with LT that it took too long to make a move like this.

    Roy is a placeholder, who, provided his attitude/professionalism attributes are OK, is a guy who can teach by example. It would be nice if he were even 80% of his best BUF days, but that’s quite a long shot.

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