KINGS AT OILERS, G37 2014-15

The Oilers may welcome (or welcome back) several players tonight, including Niki Nikitin, Matt Fraser and Derek Roy. These are interesting moves but it’s important to remember that major transactions await us and will have far greater impact on this organization.

The Oilers have Mark Fayne and (probably Justin Schultz) RH side for next season and it looks like Jeff Petry isn’t in the plans. Just so we’re clear, the trade deadline is March 2, 2015. That’s 63 days away, with Petry unaware of talks. If you’re going to get upset about anything Oilers, this is a very nice place to start. And may I just say that it’s bloody incredible he’s still open to talking contract? The problem is you develop a past, and Craig MacTavish is quickly developing a past that is riddled with decisions that are poor on the face of it. This isn’t Scrivens—Fasth, this is more Niki Nikitin or going with Nuge—Leon—Arco—Gordon at center. Dear Edmonton Oilers: Do you want to send a message to the fanbase, telling them you know what you’re doing? Sign Jeff Petry.

It’s true. Nurse reminds me (in style) of a young Larry Robinson—he’s absolutely perfect for the defensive position. Massive wingspan, can close a gap in a heartbeat, physically he’s outstanding and he’ll learn the position. Nurse will not be an effective NHL defenseman for a few years because of age and experience but there’s a terrific amount of potential. His decision making is going to need work and someone needs to tell him less is more, but these are maturity issues appropriate to his age and not a lack of aptitude—the young man can process.

Music!

I like this trade from a couple points of view. The idea of having a veteran C who can play with two quality wingers and get those soft minutes and a zone-start push is appealing. Mark Arcobello and Leon Draisaitl haven’t been doing enough with them this season, why not upgrade at one or both positions? If it fails, I think we knew Arco was going to be a utility forward at the top end (and they can always bring him back). The other side of it: Maybe maybe maybe he spends some time with Yak or Leon and mentors them a little along the way. Marty Reasoner, Fernando Pisani and Rem Murray did that for Edmonton a decade ago, why can’t Roy? It’s kind of a big deal.

As a Bruins fan, I can say that Matt Fraser will absolutely be a favorite with Oilers fans. I’ll be talking to Kirk Luedeke today about Fraser and his time in Texas, Providence and Boston. The Bruins have dozens of wingers who play an aggressive, physical style and Fraser certainly does that—and he features a pretty impressive shot that produces goals and rebounds. The main issue is the skating, maybe Steve Serdachny can get him some jet boots (you never know).

Although Edmonton just used waivers for Fraser there are two interesting players on the list today. Matt Hackett’s numbers are all over the place but he’s worth a look I’d say (his Dad had a meandering career but played in the NHL for a long time). Paajarvi’s the feature piece. Let’s be clear: I would be shocked if Edmonton took him. Why? Because Craig MacTavish’s wingers (when the team was going) always had more of an edge than MPS brings. Now, don’t get me wrong I’d love to have Magnus on the team and absolutely see him as one of the eight best wingers on the club (if they grab him). However, the difference between Magnus Paajarvi and Matt Fraser is about grit and scoring ability over speed and checking ability. IF MacT is looking for a modern, lesser Radek Dvorak (Dvorak once scored over 30 goals remember) then Paajarvi is your man. I think they should absolutely take him but don’t think MacT pulls the trigger.

Makes sense, long overdue. I don’t think it happens right away (Leon being sent back) but this does offer Anton Lander some hope of getting a 30-game stretch at center in 2015. As for Leon, hell man any fool can see he’s a wonderful young player but let him get back to junior, dominate and we’ll see you in the fall.

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  1. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I’d be careful with Brown, I know Woodguy and Bruce really like the player.

    Should be suspended 25 games every time he could be for all the knees he’s given out over the years.

    Douchebag makes Doan look like a saint.

  2. Lloyd B. says:

    Woodguy,

    I bet he access to team kept metrics that we don’t as well.

    Ya think ??

  3. TemujinBC says:

    Made it to the game tonight at the last minute. Who are these Oilers? Wow what a period.

    There was a collective gasp in section 101 when Scrivens played the puck earlier…

  4. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy: He’s the one guy in the world paid to know it cold.

    Not so sure he knows anything. Have you checked the NHL standings recently? Or is he the newest member of some emerging statistical priesthood, and therefore above criticism?

  5. Derek says:

    I take that back, reserving a number for a 19 year old defenceman who’s not ready for the NHL yet is actually the Oilerest thing.

  6. judgedrude says:

    As an Oiler, Roy P/60 = 21.8.

  7. hunter1909 says:

    TemujinBC:
    Made it to the game tonight at the last minute.Who are these Oilers?Wow what a period.

    There was a collective gasp in section 101 when Scrivens played the puck earlier…

    Forget about that. How much did you pay for your ticket?

  8. striatic says:

    Derek:
    To finally bring in a veteran center after half a season of waiting, have him assist on a goal to start the game, then head to the dressing room after playing 2:47 is the Oilerest goddamn thing.

    No. The Oileriest damn thing would be putting him back out on the ice in the third after rubbing some dirt into it, re-injure the ankle and have him skate like a he’s chained to a boat anchor for the rest of his career.

  9. JamesL says:

    Roy is back on the bench, right?

  10. hunter1909 says:

    striatic: The Oileriest damn thing would be putting him back out on the ice in the third after rubbing some dirt into it, re-injure the ankle and have him skate like a he’s chained to a boat anchor for the rest of his career.

    Don’t forget everyone’s fave part…when they run these bums out of town!

  11. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909:
    To finally bring in a veteran center after half a season of waiting, have him assist on a goal to start the game, then head to the dressing room after playing 2:47 is the Oilerest goddamn thing.

    No. The Oileriest damn thing would be putting him back out on the

    Good grief. They hired Tyler in August and this team’s problem is personnel. IF this Oiler team has its head screwed on straight they’re listening to him.

  12. Derek says:

    striatic: No. The Oileriest damn thing would be putting him back out on the ice in the third after rubbing some dirt into it, re-injure the ankle and have him skate like a he’s chained to a boat anchor for the rest of his career.

    That’s close. I still think the Nurse number reserve is the Oilerest goddamn thing.

  13. hunter1909 says:

    MacT looks beautiful; sitting in an upper level chair reserved for cup winning Oilers.

  14. Derek says:

    I’m willing to amend it however if we see the number 97 hanging in the rafters before this season is over.

  15. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: Good grief. They hired Tyler in August and this team’s problem is personnel. IF this Oiler team has its head screwed on straight they’re listening to him.

    What makes you think Eakins wasn’t doing just that? My money says it’s odds on like 6-1 easy that Dallas Eakins spent more time on “advanced” stats than anything else.

    And while we’re on the subject of Eakins, how do you compare him to George Burnett?

  16. TemujinBC says:

    hunter1909,

    A hundred twenty per, two tix

    I was gonna be more ruthless with the scalper but I just wanted in

  17. striatic says:

    Perron has to corral that pass. They might not get another look that good all game.

  18. hunter1909 says:

    Andreoff lol

  19. striatic says:

    I see Roy is back out there, shambling around.

  20. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909: What makes you think Eakins wasn’t doing just that? My money says it’s odds on like 6-1 easy that Dallas Eakins spent more time on “advanced” stats than anything else.

    And while we’re on the subject of Eakins, how do you compare him to George Burnett?

    My response was in regard to Tyler. As for Eakins, he lost his job but I don’t think he was the problem. The addition of an aging NUGEE!!!!!

  21. VanOil says:

    That Nuge kid might have a future. Lets hope it is not wasted.

  22. hunter1909 says:

    Okay so Eakins finally gets sent down the road, and MacT’s stopped making an asshole of himself from the head coaches place on the bench and for the first time in 1.5 seasons the team is free from idiot coaching.

    They immediately lay a beating on the Stanley Cup Champions.

  23. striatic says:

    Kings looking absolutely apathetic on that goal, but good on the Oilers to fight and keep that in the zone.

  24. striatic says:

    hunter1909: They immediately lay a beating on the Stanley Cup Champions.

    There’s still time.

  25. hunter1909 says:

    Schultz in a behind the goal scrum!?

    (rubs eyes)

  26. hunter1909 says:

    striatic: There’s still time.

    I’m a Cam Barker era fan.

  27. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Can’t believe Santa lets his hat be sold at Home Hardware for cleaning cars.

    Time are tough at the North Pole.

  28. fifthcartel says:

    I re-watched the RNH goal and I’m pretty sure the 2nd assist is Klefbom’s, not Eberle’s.

  29. hunter1909 says:

    Beautiful comeback by Yakupov after that disrespectful love tap off of the filthy LAK player.

  30. VanOil says:

    I love Yakupov. I wish him many good things in his career.

  31. Lowetide says:

    Yakupov is perfect for this city. Well, close. If his name was Stemkowski it would be perfect, but he’s damn near.

  32. Lowetide says:

    I’ve enjoyed this game but am afraid the third period will be horrawful.

  33. Halfwise says:

    I’m not watching, as a matter of policy, but I do wish Yak the best. He’s got the spirit; it just needs a way to get out.

  34. G Money says:

    Huh, interesting discussion (which I NEVER expected to say).

    But these guys have it exactly right.

    Yakupov’s little “FUCK YOU” shot was perfect, a thing of beauty. Stand up for yourself. Next step: turn into a nasty chippy little bastard that drives the other guys crazy, and just when they’re distracted, BAM, use that crazy ass burst of acceleration to score. Rinse. Repeat.

    The other little clip of Draisaitl is a beauty too. They’re exactly right – that’s EXACTLY what you need to do against these filthy dirty LA players.

    Never were truer words spoken for advice for these Oilers: NEVER. TAKE. A. CLEAN. HIT. Never. Make ’em pay with stick, an elbow, a butt end. Every time.

  35. VanOil says:

    I hope that bright Blue tie becomes lucky for Nelson.

  36. G Money says:

    How has our man Nikitin looked? I tuned in late (did a double take on the score) just in time to watch Nikitin fail to play the puck and fail to play the man and give up a five bell but completely unearned chance to Jeff Carter.

    Damn. Guess it wasn’t the injury.

  37. VanOil says:

    G Money,

    I have seen Nikitin ass bad to very bad. But better than the hororawful he was pre-injury.

  38. G Money says:

    You can call it “great defense” if you want. If the league were honest with itself, it would admit that at least half the gameplan of the LA Kings below the blue line could be used to illustrate the hook, hold, and obstruction plays that the “new rules” were supposed to take OUT of the game. Fucking awful.

  39. G Money says:

    VanOil,

    Thanks.

    #SmallVictories
    #BecauseOilers

  40. Derek says:

    Yea, Nikita has been bad, but not Hunt-bad.

  41. hunter1909 says:

    VanOil:
    I hope that bright Blue tie becomes lucky for Nelson.

    Also, having the curly white haired, glasses wearing voodoo doll in the gondola.

  42. VanOil says:

    G Money,

    #BetterthanHunt

    Is Doughty’s helmet a lighter/brighter shade of white than the other Kings? Is it my TV, Eyesight or a Helmet brand thing?

  43. VanOil says:

    hunter1909: Also, having the curly white haired, glasses wearing voodoo doll in the gondola.

    Pin cushion optional, boots to asses not.

  44. hunter1909 says:

    G Money:
    You can call it “great defense” if you want.If the league were honest with itself, it would admit that at least half the gameplan of the LA Kings below the blue line could be used to illustrate the hook, hold, and obstruction plays that the “new rules” were supposed to take OUT of the game.Fucking awful.

    LAK are playing tonight like they’re 3-1 up against the Winnipeg Jets in an early playoff round.

    Oilers under their 1st game with Nelson and not Voodoo Doll MacT are less than 10 minutes away from upsetting the Stanley Cup Champions…nothing shabby about that.

  45. G Money says:

    An LA penalty! An actual penalty!

    Decline?

  46. Surly says:

    We never like to make things easy…

  47. GCW_69 says:

    G Money:
    An LA penalty!An actual penalty!

    Decline?

    Too late. Schultz with the high stick.

  48. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers are playing tonight like they’re all recovering from an evening with Bill Cosby and that date rape drug he’s endorsing.

    In other words, Nelson has them recovering from Dallas Eakins and his “Chinless Chicken Hawk Shite Show”.

  49. Derek says:

    Justin Schultz doing his part to save the tank. He really is the new era Khabibuhlin.

  50. GCW_69 says:

    And we are tied.

  51. hunter1909 says:

    OT

  52. G Money says:

    Schultz is so many kinds of useless, it’s almost hard to believe.

  53. hunter1909 says:

    Derek:
    Justin Schultz doing his part to save the tank.He really isvthe new era Khabibuhlin.

    Cam Barker I always thought had Norris potential.

  54. Zelepukin says:

    Jultz is gonna jultz.

  55. Zelepukin says:

    sorry, after seeing the replay, Scrivens gonna scrivs.

  56. striatic says:

    this team is hilarious.

  57. Lowetide says:

    Between shitty goaltending and Justin Schultz, it’s a fucking clown show. God Almighty they’ve wasted so many good things.

  58. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Ok. Scrivens needs to save both those goals, despite the shot totals. I know, I know. But he’s got to have that. Fayne out of position because he is doing the face down snow angel on the ice again on the PK. Seriously, is that Craig Ramsay teaching them to do this? It’s so damn annoying and has been killing their PK. Putting themselves way out of position.

  59. YEG FOLK says:

    Can we call Scrivens ‘Titanic’ – always a hole that sinks the ship.

  60. hunter1909 says:

    They surely need to keep hold of Yaks. Taylor Hall 5 years into his career looks like he’s going to have between 3-5 great seasons before a total injury fueled breakdown of hockey skills.

  61. Gerta Rauss says:

    I’ve got to give them credit for coming up with new ways to disappoint me

  62. Zelepukin says:

    okay Nelson, if you want to Eakins this OT up, start Jultz and Nikitin.

  63. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide:
    Between shitty goaltending and Justin Schultz, it’s a fucking clown show. God Almighty they’ve wasted so many good things.

    I don’t get it. They manage a tie against the Stanley Cup Champions, but that’s not quite as good as the MacT/Eakins records?

  64. hunter1909 says:

    You guys give up too easily. They have 5 minutes coming up!

  65. LostBoy says:

    After the game Scrivens has played, you want to cut him some slack.

    But in context, just one more game and one more goal that simply shouldn’t have gone in.

    It’s looked pretty good tonight in the first game of the real Nelson era (possibly not a long era). They wilted in the third as the heavy forecheck came.

    But you can’t have goaltending like that. You just can’t.

  66. Derek says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Ok. Scrivens needs to save both those goals, despite the shot totals. I know, I know. But he’s got to have that. Fayne out of position because he is doing the face down snow angel on the ice again on the PK. Seriously, is that Craig Ramsay teaching them to do this? It’s so damn annoying and has been killing their PK. Putting themselves way out of position.

    The King’s put up gaudy shot totals that period but how many second attempts are they afforded everything Scrivens flops forward and watches a puck go in and out of his glove to keep an offensive attack alive? His glove hand is absolutely pathetic.

  67. Don't Bishai says:

    Is there any dimension in this universe in which the Kings don’t come out with two points tonight? We’ve seen this movie an incredible number of times this season. I’ll take Martinez for the OT winner.

  68. GCW_69 says:

    Oilers went into this game with a league worse corsi percentage of 28.8% when up two goals. Get outshot 15 – 1 in the third period.

  69. Магия 10 says:

    hunter1909: I don’t get it. They manage a tie against the Stanley Cup Champions, but that’s not quite as good as the MacT/Eakins records?

    Now I’ve seen everything. Hunter talking LT off the ledge?

  70. striatic says:

    hunter1909: I don’t get it. They manage a tie against the Stanley Cup Champions, but that’s not quite as good as the MacT/Eakins records?

    The Kings were not trying all game.

    Probably because they knew they only put a period’s worth of effort into it in the third.

    Why would they work any harder than they have to?

  71. VanOil says:

    There was a point in the Third period where I had a fleeting thought; that as long as they sign Petry maybe Marincin can come in next year and baby sit Jultz on a soft/low minutes D pairing and it would not be awful.

    I was wrong I will subject the brain cells responsible to death by alcohol.

  72. G Money says:

    Ference is so many kinds of useless, it’s hard to count.

  73. hunter1909 says:

    Entertaining OT

  74. G Money says:

    striatic:

    Why would they work any harder than they have to?

    Because they’re champions. Not working any harder than they (think they) have to is an Oiler aka DFL thing.

  75. rich says:

    Well, at least they started to skate again in the last 2 minutes of OT.

    Kings announcers are very good. Pointed out in the 3rd that the Oilers were starting to get back into old habits, forwards leaving the zone early, not skating. Was only a matter of time.

  76. hunter1909 says:

    G Money:
    Ference is so many kinds of useless, it’s hard to count.

    Third pairing aging bicycle freak, promoted to captain based entirely on his biking jib. Played as 1st pairing defenceman on the 30th place forever Oilers.

  77. G Money says:

    That looks in to me.

  78. striatic says:

    G Money: Because they’re champions.Not working any harder than they have to is an Oiler aka DFL thing.

    Well, then the kings were setting themselves a challenge to win a game with one period worth of effort because champions or no, the Oilers weren’t playing against the real LA Kings for the first two periods.

    A tie against that level of effort is ok, but nothing to do jumping jacks over.

  79. G Money says:

    Or not.

  80. hunter1909 says:

    lol the camera’s wayyy too slow

  81. G Money says:

    striatic,

    I would say its the opposite – the Oilers (as they love to do) got away from their gameplan. Worst while-ahead shot metrics in the league I believe. And it shows. The Oilers get fat and happy faster than anyone else ever. That’s been true since the Krueger era.

  82. hunter1909 says:

    I’ll bet Nelson uses the frigging players properly…HENDRICKS!!????

  83. Don't Bishai says:

    A close call on a shootout attempt before losing is part of this recurring script

  84. Магия 10 says:

    Thank goodness Lander wasn’t available.

  85. G Money says:

    WE WIN! WE WIN! WE WIN!

    Plan the parade!!!

  86. hunter1909 says:

    Perron.

  87. jp says:

    Huh. Kinda cool. Strange feeling too…

  88. Derek says:

    Holy Fuck the Edmonton Oilers win a game of hockey.

  89. Gerta Rauss says:

    Well, what can you say

    I feel good for those guys-enjoy

  90. hunter1909 says:

    Y’all see? Nelson’s debut at NHL coach, he just beat the frigging Stanley Cup Champions.

  91. hunter1909 says:

    Okay. MacT was only pretending he was the head coach during December, 2014.

    So Nelson must still be a bum, right Lowetide?

  92. unca miltie says:

    What do we do now..the oilers won a game

  93. G Money says:

    Hey! Looks like the entire LA fanbase made the trip to Edmonton! I didn’t realize he was so dedicated!

  94. Магия 10 says:

    1-0 without MacEakins behind the bench.

  95. hunter1909 says:

    Todd Nelson just gave the universe: A double(anything that Katz will ever achieve in his entire life) sized FUCK YOU.

    Welcome to the Oilers, Todd. keep away from Lowe if you know what’s good for you.

  96. GCW_69 says:

    jp:
    Huh. Kinda cool. Strange feeling too…

    Yeah, it is kinda strange. But I like it.

  97. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909:
    Okay. MacT was only pretending he was the head coach during December, 2014.

    So Nelson must still be a bum, right Lowetide?

    Very happy for Nelson. He’s a good man.

  98. Zelepukin says:

    c’mon Kings, we even Jultzed the shootout and gave you another attempt by putting Hendricks out there.

  99. rich says:

    Oh to know the joy of victory once more.

    PS – And good for Nelson. Keeps MacT off the bench…

  100. G Money says:

    Having three (instead of just two) NHL centres might have made a difference also.

    Who knew?

  101. LostBoy says:

    WTF don’t people understand about Hendricks being career 9 of 19 on shootouts?

    That said, I think it’s a thing of the past. Hasn’t scored on one since leaving the Caps.

    Don’t care about draft. Want wins. Think Nelson a good coach, glad MacT effed off back upstairs. Quite very happy.

  102. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: Very happy for Nelson. He’s a good man.

    And would you propose that tonight’s result had little to do with Todd Nelson’s replacing MacT/Eakins Flying Circus of destroying young NHL prospects, regardless of draft position?

  103. striatic says:

    Much more balanced play surprised a very apathetic LA Kings.

    Still a lot flaws and when LA turned it on in the 3rd the Oilers demonstrated that they weren’t in the same tier.

    Oilers kept at it though and took advantage in a way they haven’t all year, which is good, but the personnel issues were as glaring in the last period of this game as in any other.

  104. hunter1909 says:

    First game I’ve enjoyed since I haven’t the foggiest.

  105. Магия 10 says:

    hunter1909: And would you propose that tonight’s result had little to do with Todd Nelson’s replacing MacT/Eakins Flying Circus of Delight?

    Trades prolly helped freshen things up.

  106. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    hunter1909,

    The possession stats have been far worse post-Eakins than pre.

    Huge disclaimer for small sample size not withstanding.

  107. jp says:

    Zelepukin:
    okay Nelson, if you want to Eakins this OT up, start Jultz and Nikitin.

    Gotta give Nelson some credit on this. He benched Nikitin for quite a stretch no? Fewest minutes of anyone on the night. What’s that called again when you bench players who aren’t playing well?

  108. Магия 10 says:

    jp: Gotta give Nelson some credit on this. He benched Nikitin for quite a stretch no? Fewest minutes of anyone on the night. What’s that called again when you bench players who aren’t playing well?

    Perronitis.

  109. G Money says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Someone asked earlier how long we give Nelson before we call this ‘his’ team.

    My answer was 20 games, based on a cursory non-rigorous but nonetheless to my eyes distinct pattern that suggested coaching changes seem to take about 20 games before they have a visible impact. (I just looked at a handful of teams’ Corsi trends before/during/after coaching changes)

    So before we commiserate about failing shot metrics, I’d say another 15 games or so are needed to see whether it’s because things are actually degrading under Nelson, or its just the natural reflection of lower efficiency due to a new system being put in place.

  110. AZOIL says:

    Why doesn’t Nuge get a shot on the shoot out? His release is scary good!

  111. hunter1909 says:

    Carolina tonight clinched McDavid or Eichel. Todd Nelson’s Oilers are going to start playing .600 hockey.

    HUNTER1909 “Death March to Spring” Sweepstakes:

    RULES: Name your EXACT three digit winning percentage for the rest of this season; the closest to the exact three digit winning percentage from tonight’s game on will win a prize.

    I’ll kick off at .600

    Oilers pre tonight’s game three digit percentage: .291

    Contest Open until opening face off January 15th when Oilers play Tampa Bay. Contest open to all Lowetide posters, and anyone who works for the Katz group in any way shape form or ice hockey team.

  112. Woodguy says:

    I like the first 2 periods.

    I liked that all 12 forwards can play hockey.

    I only got a puckered arsehole when Nikitin was on the ice.

    Baby step.

  113. G Money says:

    LT,

    It looks like having Nuge, Roy, Gordon as the top 3 centres may have made a slight difference.

    As a seasoned observer of this game, I’m confused as to why you haven’t raised this issue with lack of centre depth previously.

    C’mon man, get on your game! We need to see some accountability from you!

  114. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909,

    I’ll kick off at .600

    No one in the history of this board is more bi polar on the Oilers than you.

    I appreciate that.

  115. G Money says:

    Woodguy:
    I only got a puckered arsehole when Nikitin was on the ice.

    Schultz? Ference? I did not see much good happening with those two either, but admittedly I only watched Periods 3 and 4.

  116. fifthcartel says:

    RNH is on pace for 48 even strength points, and 6 power-play points. If only the power play started going. (last year he had 20 power-play points)

  117. AZOIL says:

    fifthcartel:
    RNH is on pace for 48 even strength points, and 6 power-play points. If only the power play started going.

    The power play actually looked alive out there didn’t it? For you hockey smart guys, what is different? Just shooting more or different style? Personnel? Or positions?

  118. Prince Rupert's Oildrop says:

    hunter1909,

    DEATH MARCH TO SPRING:

    .601!

  119. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy,

    Katz/Lowe/Mact/ are constructing a dynasty…

    Todd Nelson already lets them play the game they used to play, and play better than anyone else in their age group.

    I wonder when 3rd pairing Ference gets stripped of his Tripping the Light Fantastic captaincy.

  120. G Money says:

    AZOIL,

    I only saw the third period PP, but had the same observation – it looked genuinely dangerous.

    I thought the difference was quick puck movement.

    Except Jultz. His decisions in the o zone were bad, and his attempts to move the puck out of the d zone were embarrassing – seriously, I was embarrassed for the guy watching those feeble moves.

  121. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    G Money,

    I love it when people only read half of my comment before jumping to incorrect conclusions about what I was saying. Yes, sometimes I ramble. This comment was all of two sentences. Actually, it was one sentence and then a sentence fragment.

  122. TemujinBC says:

    Oh man.

    That was just…. Wow. Worth the price of admission anyways!

  123. striatic says:

    AZOIL: The power play actually looked alive out there didn’t it? For you hockey smart guys, what is different? Just shooting more or different style? Personnel? Or positions?

    Faster puck movement but also more east west puck movement in the high slot.

    More like how the PP used to be run when it was working a couple seasons ago. less “get it to the point” than previously this season.

    Teams did eventually wise to the East West stuff last time the Oilers leaned on it and it became predictable, but it worked well tonight.

  124. Don't Bishai says:

    Hunter, put me down for .487

  125. hunter1909 says:

    Don’t Bishai,

    Got that.

    Good Luck!

  126. ohhell says:

    DEATH MARCH TO SPRING:

    Hunter, i’ll take .377 (better, but not good)

  127. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    LT,

    It looks like having Nuge, Roy, Gordon as the top 3 centres may have made a slight difference.

    As a seasoned observer of this game, I’m confused as to why you haven’t raised this issue with lack of centre depth previously.

    C’mon man, get on your game!We need to see some accountability from you!

    Epic fail by me. 🙂

  128. hunter1909 says:

    If MacT doesn’t trade away any of the young guns, and Nelson removes their Eakin shackles and MacT chains, there is no reason to think they can’t go on a tear with 45 odd games left.

    Everyone knows the LAKings weren’t awake until the 3rd period, and it cost them a Bettman point which Stanley Cup 2x Champions don’t ever have to worry about. Todd Nelson’s FIRST GAME as head coach(Come on! MacT behind the bench looking like a nervous Dad chaperoning his uber hot, 14 year old daughter to the dance does NOT mean Nelson was coaching, like any normal NHL head coach does) – without the fucking GM lol

  129. book¡je says:

    WG – the Oilers just need 6 more wins by New Years to make your orediction come true. I have high hopes!

  130. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Klefbom logged 25:27 of some seriously tough competition and managed a 44% CF. A couple kinks here n there that’ll round out with experience, but the fundamentals are so strongly in place there. Petry also played 25:20, Jultz and Nikitin below 20. Liking that deployment, Nelson.

  131. G Money says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    I read your entire comment. Not sure why you’re in a snit – I was just adding some flavour to your comment about the dropping shot metrics, not disagreeing with you.

  132. hunter1909 says:

    G Money,

    I’m starting to think you’re just being misunderstood. Most of what you say makes sense.

  133. striatic says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Klefbom logged 25:27 of some seriously tough competition and managed a 44% CF. A couple kinks here n there that’ll round out with experience, but the fundamentals are so strongly in place there. Petry also played 25:20, Jultz and Nikitin below 20. Liking that deployment, Nelson.

    This.

    This deployment is so key if the Oilers want to win *any* more hockey games this year.

    Sort of hilarious that Nikitin was -1 in 11:05 TOI though.

  134. G Money says:

    hunter1909:
    G Money,

    I’m starting to think you’re just being misunderstood. Most of what you say makes sense.

    I’m thinking that must be the case too.

    That’s us – four misunderstood dudes! (Hunter+, Hunter-, G Money-good, G Money-evil)

  135. LadiesloveSmid says:

    striatic: This.

    This deployment is so key if the Oilers want to win *any* more hockey games this year.

    Sort of hilarious that Nikitin was -1 in 11:05 TOI though.

    Now (on defence) just call up Marty and banish Nikitin to Siberia. I’ve found Marincin to be the only guy Schultz doesn’t look back asswards with

  136. hunter1909 says:

    Even if they play .600 hockey they in pick 5th overall territory.

    If they play .500 they end up in 2nd overall territory, with a good shot at Eichel. Or at least the first pick of the non 1st 2 picks. Katz/Lowe/MacT’s careful husbandry of this team is about to start playing dividends.

  137. TemujinBC says:

    About the tape issue with Scrivens, we were wondering what was up with that. Just read that it was apparently the wrong color tape?

    I’ve never heard that before. Huh.

  138. Younger Oil says:

    hunter1909,

    Put me down for 0.413 please and thanks!

  139. hunter1909 says:

    MacT doesn’t look like he’s got very much left in his tank. Who is likely to replace him? Dallas Eakins?

  140. Dark Asia says:

    Well good for the team and Nelson – amazing what washing a bit of the BOTB stink off the team will do for morale. Nelson would be a decent option but I guarantee that the mgmt clowns will find a way to get rid of him if he finds any success. You want to see this team really improve – get rid of Lowe and MacT and replace them with competence that people can believe in – morale will go through the roof.

  141. hunter1909 says:

    Younger Oil,

    Got that.

    Good luck!

    Contest “Oilers Death March to Spring” remains open until January 15, 2015 prior to opening face off vs the Tampa Bay Lightning.

  142. jp says:

    hunter1909:
    MacT doesn’t look like he’s got very much left in his tank. Who is likely to replace him? Dallas Eakins?

    Has Smyth retired yet?

  143. hunter1909 says:

    Dark Asia: Nelson would be a decent option but I guarantee that the mgmt clowns will find a way to get rid of him if he finds any success.

    Everyone knows that.

    It’s like the MacT/Lowe we know are given to impetuous, borderline comedically insane outbursts/actions from time to time. The only difference between this season and 10 years ago, was the entire fan base of the NHL wasn’t talking about this most prolific 1st round top 5 picking team; the tank masters; basically since Star Wars first came out in movie theaters.

  144. hunter1909 says:

    jp: Has Smyth retired yet?

    Smyth would be great in pressers.

  145. Gret99zky says:

    hunter1909,

    So Todd Nelson is the new Stan Weir?

  146. stephen sheps says:

    Hunter, I’ll take .440 please and thanks. In total agreement with you about comically insane outbursts. Sometimes they’re necessary… as the saying goes, we hoped for the best but it turned out like oilers…

    BTW, LT and LT community members, my new writing partner posted something at my regular blog about Cherry’s gross takedown of Yak last weekend. Unlike Bruce’s measured but firm critique of Grapes, nothing was held back. If anyone is interested it can be found here: http://bringingbacktheglory.blogspot.ca/2014/12/guest-post-on-cowardice-or-why-don.html

    Thanks everyone

  147. Washingtron says:

    TemujinBC,

    According to Scriv in the post game the complaint was that it was too dark. He said he thought the rule was no black or dark tape, the idea being that it can’t be confused with the puck. Said he didn’t think anyone would confuse “bright orange” with a puck but laughed it off as gamesmanship.

  148. Washingtron says:

    Wasn’t on here tonight as it was my pop’s birthday. 33 (?) years ago he was at the game where Gretz hit 50 in 39. Lifelong diehard Oil fan. Season ticket holder in the fat years and every game watcher in the lean. He hates his birthday, won’t even let people finish wishing him a happy one, and he said all he wanted was an Oilers win. In fact, he guaranteed it. So we watched it on the tube and by Gord… I just wanna say thanks to the boys for giving my dad that gift. He’s floating about a foot off the ground.

  149. TemujinBC says:

    Washingtron,

    That’s great stuff

  150. Hockeyman 99 says:

    stephen sheps,

    Your article represents you as unreasonable in your criticism. Not everything you mention as his stances is wrong or completely without some truth. Doing this makes your article hypercritical and a waste of time.

  151. Ozzieoiler says:

    I’ll take 0.420 and then smoke the drapes.

  152. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    G Money,

    You’re right. I misunderstood you. I took your comment to mean I wasn’t giving Nelson a fair chance six (one?) game in about the inferior Corsi/Fenwick stats so far under his tenure. I wasn’t trying to be “in a snit,” but I guess I probably was. I apologize.

    At this point I’m fine with giving him the whole season. Still think he’s getting a bit of an unfair shake with an unbalanced roster unless the goaltending miraculously improves.

    hunter1909,

    We should all get a mulligan on your initial prognostication. Just get another round of predictions for how many points by the end of the season. Who was it that had 69 points, was it? Can’t remember the low prediction. They should just be declared winner of round one.

  153. hunter1909 says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: We should all get a mulligan on your initial prognostication. Just get another round of predictions for how many points by the end of the season. Who was it that had 69 points, was it? Can’t remember the low prediction. They should just be declared winner of round one.

    The original contest has nearly 200 entries. commonfan14 leads the field with 65; followed by pouzar at 67; yeti at 69; and phrank lee + zatch at 72; closely followed by Godot10(73); who probably wins the “Most knowledgable about this team for a regular poster” category.

    Advanced stats have clouded a few people’s judgement, it’s all too much like 1986 Apple computers – maybe in 5 years they start making real sense. Right now, Advanced stats are being used to argue that Dallas Eakins is a fine NHL head coach on January 31, 2014. This by itself exposes Dellowmania as a crock. Or at least a completely undeveloped system…with too many flaws for Second Tier fans to take too seriously.

    Oilers Death March to Spring: someone has already predicted as high as .601 (possible Katz Group employee Prince Rupert’s Oildrop) and end up with 76 points. Todd Nelson appears to be getting a fair shake after his debut coaching night…HE BEAT THE 2X CUP CHAMPION LAKINGS.

  154. hunter1909 says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Try to get your entry in before all of the good numbers are taken. Tie breakers could be a real bitch.

  155. Lowetide says:

    Washingtron:
    Wasn’t on here tonight as it was my pop’s birthday.33 (?) years ago he was at the game where Gretz hit 50 in 39.Lifelong diehard Oil fan.Season ticket holder in the fat years and every game watcher in the lean. He hates his birthday, won’t even let people finish wishing him a happy one, and he said all he wanted was an Oilers win.In fact, he guaranteed it.So we watched it on the tube and by Gord… I just wanna say thanks to the boys for giving my dad that gift.He’s floating about a foot off the ground.

    I love it! Awesome story, glad your Dad had a good night. He’s earned it!

  156. PhrankLee says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: hunter1909,
    We should all get a mulligan on your initial prognostication. Just get another round of predictions for how many points by the end of the season. Who was it that had 69 points, was it? Can’t remember the low prediction. They should just be declared winner of round one.

    If we started the year with this line up I would have been in the 75-77 point range. I based a lot of my initial prediction on my assertions that these goalies weren’t good enough and depth at C is in very poor shape organizationally.

  157. Ryan says:

    G Money:
    Having three (instead of just two) NHL centres might have made a difference also.

    Who knew?

    Odd that.

    What if they had four…

    Or imagine 5 NHL centres with one playing on the wing that they could use in the event of an injury???

  158. hunter1909 says:

    PhrankLee: If we started the year with this line up I would have been in the 75-77 point range.I based a lot of my initial prediction on my assertions that these goalies weren’t good enough anddepth at C is in very poor shape organizationally.

    As of December 31, 2014 you’re one of the front runners out of approximately 200 Lowetide posters. That’s outstanding.

  159. blainer says:

    Congrats to Todd Nelson.. So that’s how it feels to get goaltending…

  160. Ca$h-Money! says:

    hunter1909,

    Ya, the idea that we will be a 60% points team from now to the end of the season, based on 1 shootout win against a team on the second night of a back to back, whose road record is almost as bad as ours, who dominated us in the third period, seems a little much.

    Don’t get me wrong, this is part of what I love about my fellow Oilers fans. That said, a 60% pace for the rest of the season means that, playing at that pace over 82 games, this is approximately a 100 point team and should be expected to get into the second round of the playoffs. That seems a tad optimistic.

    More likely, and still optimistic is a 50% pace, which still means we have 68 points at seasons end, which still puts us in the running for bottom 2.

  161. hunter1909 says:

    PhrankLee: If we started the year with this line up I would have been in the 75-77 point range.I based a lot of my initial prediction on my assertions that these goalies weren’t good enough anddepth at C is in very poor shape organizationally.

    I’d assert the young players hated Eakins, Ference, and MacT behind the bench; most have Lucic money contracts, and simply stopped playing the game of hockey until last night. How anyone can believe Eakins is anything other than a failure astounds me.

  162. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    hunter1909,

    I wasn’t saying Eakins wasn’t a failure. I am saying it’s too soon to call Nelson a success at the NHL level. Definitely a strong AHL coach.

    So we’re talking points percentage going forward, not winning percentage, including last night or not including last night?

  163. jake70 says:

    Hunter,

    Prince Rupert’s Oildrop:
    hunter1909,

    DEATH MARCH TO SPRING:

    .601!

    Cmon, that is like the contestant on the price is right who bids 1 dollar higher than the highest bid. Poor Hunter ( although I can’t see a .599 bid…lol)

    Hunter, put me down for 0.479, thanks.

    You must be working for Ipsos or Decima now are you? 🙂

  164. Ryan says:

    PhrankLee: If we started the year with this line up I would have been in the 75-77 point range.I based a lot of my initial prediction on my assertions that these goalies weren’t good enough anddepth at C is in very poor shape organizationally.

    I think a lot of people–with myself included thought Mact had a fallback plan for centre ice. I was pretty surprised that he didn’t though there were credible rumors of Anisimov falling thru due to injury.

    I briefly heard an interview from Mact when he was asked about Roy. I can’t recall exactly what he said, but it was something about having had previous opportunities to acquire him. More importantly, he sounded really angry talking about Roy compared to Fraser. Listening to him, I felt like the Roy addition wasn’t his decision though I could be wrong.

  165. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    blainer: Congrats to Todd Nelson.. So that’s how it feels to get goaltending…

    Except both those goals against should have been saved. It was a mixed performance by Scrivens. Yes, the save pct looks good, but he needed to stop the two he let in. He also has Bill Ranford-create-3-more-shots-against-due-to-bad-rebound-control-itis. Except Ranford would then pull the miraculous two pad stack save off to save his own bacon. Scrivens, not so much. But he’s still leaping forward into shots and giving up rebounds. And he needs to stay in the net and not go play the puck.

  166. hunter1909 says:

    Ca$h-Money!: More likely, and still optimistic is a 50% pace, which still means we have 68 points at seasons end, which still puts us in the running for bottom 2.

    Okay. You’re down at .500 in the Death March to Spring contest.

    I hope they get McDavid/Eichel, but something tells me Nelson is going to unlock Eakins+MacT’s chains and the youngsters go on enough of a tear for the Oilers to pick 5th. I’d be happy to see them turn into a hockey team, so that would be fine as well.

  167. PhrankLee says:

    hunter1909: As of December 31, 2014 you’re one of the front runners out of approximately 200 Lowetide posters. That’s outstanding.

    Everything is a result of the discourse here. This blog and it’s author are of the highest order in hockey journalism.

    The knowledge base of the posters is infuriatingly insightful, sharp witted and sometimes merciless. I love it here.

    The entire industry reads this blog. Lt is the original OP

  168. hunter1909 says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: So we’re talking points percentage going forward, not winning percentage, including last night or not including last night?

    You just pick a three digit winning percentage, starting last night(Todd Nelson’s REAL NHL debut).

    The Anti-Eakins rant was free. Mofo caused me to quit watching the team for a month. Chickenhawk, Twerp, The Chinless Wonder, whatever you want to call him, he’s easily got to be in the running for worst coach in NHL history.

  169. PhrankLee says:

    hunter1909: How anyone can believe Eakins is anything other than a failure astounds me.

    This I agree with. I had much higher expectations of the HC at the top of the season. Questions came very very early. In training camp. Now the variable is removed. It’s poor GM performance, ultimately. His bets all went kittywhampuss.

    Everyone was/is baffled. And should be.

    Except Godot, bless him.

    Remember that time that meteor knocked down millions of trees in Siberia in the 20’s? Eakins.

  170. Ca$h-Money! says:

    hunter1909,

    No, I’m not one of those optimistic people, I was just illustrating the point.

    They are currently, before last night, earning 29% of their points. I believe under a pure Nelson regime they will improve by 50%, putting them at a 44% pace including last night for the rest of the season.

    That means we will end the year with enough points to be in the bottom few picks (maybe bottom 2) but will have improved enough under Nelson that he gets serious consideration for the job next year, giving us something to argue about all summer.

    Long story short, put me down for .44, giving them 62 points at seasons end.

  171. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    I see more Bettman points in the future. I went through the schedule one by one. Starting with a win tonight vs. Calgary, 41pts in the remaining 45 games. .455, if I am understanding the rules correctly.

    They’re going to get 5 pts in the last 3 games of the season vs LA, SJ, VAN just to tick us off and jump to 3rd last, missing out on Eichel/McDavid by 1 measly point.

  172. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    hunter1909: You just pick a three digit winning percentage, starting last night(Todd Nelson’s REAL NHL debut). .

    Wait, winning percentage or points percentage. These are very different things! I feel like you mean points percentage.

    The Oilers’ current points percentage is 23 points in 37 games (74pts), which is .311.
    Their winning percentage is 8/37, .216

  173. PhrankLee says:

    hunter1909,

    Im going with 417.

    New coach, new center. Pouliot is coming back too so I included some consideration there.

    If we had not picked up Roy I would have gone .395 (Which would be an improvement and that blows my gord damn mind)

    Theory is theory.

  174. hunter1909 says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: Wait, winning percentage or points percentage. These are very different things! I feel like you mean points percentage.

    The Oilers’ current points percentage is23 points in 37 games (74pts), which is .311.
    Their winning percentage is 8/37,.216

    It puts the lotion in the basket. : )

  175. frjohnk says:

    There have been games where the oilers have outchanced, outshot, and outcorsied other teams and lost. The pitchforks and torches come out.

    Then we do the “flames special” outchanced, outshot, outcorised and win.
    And things don’t feel so bad around here this morning.

  176. PhrankLee says:

    Ryan: I think a lot of people–with myself included thought Mact had a fallback plan for centre ice.

    I think we all assumed this out of respect for MacT as a hockey man through and through.

    He has disappointed by more measures than he has succeeded so far. Does he get the usual 5 years afforded to most GM gigs?

    It’s hard to watch these guys fail so hard. The boys on the bus reputations are badly stained. We are fucking with our own lore.
    We are lore-fucked.

  177. hunter1909 says:

    Ca$h-Money!,

    You’re wrong.

    Ca$h-Money!: They are currently, before last night, earning 29% of their points. I believe under a pure Nelson regime they will improve by 50%, putting them at a 44% pace including last night for the rest of the season.

    I’m beginning to think some of you don’t understand the concept behind 3 digit numbers.

  178. hunter1909 says:

    PhrankLee: The boys on the bus reputations are badly stained.

    Only spear carriers like Lowe+MacT. Both finally exposed as intellectual impostors.

    The cool players are all still there. They’ve just moved out of Dodge.

  179. stephen sheps says:

    Hockeyman 99,

    I accept this criticism on behalf of my colleague, but a bit of specifics wouldn’t hurt… maybe pop by my blog and say your piece over there rather than at LT’s place.

    cheers

  180. stephen sheps says:

    hunter1909,

    hunter, please don’t ever change. I haven’t laughed this much while thinking about the Oilers in months. (Usually it’s shame mixed with a quiet sort of rage…)

    and in case you missed adding it to the list .440 please. I was way too high (83) in the first round of the fun. I think I’ll go low this time so as to be less disappointed and perhaps more pleasantly surprised if they do better the rest of the way.

  181. Washingtron says:

    Hunter, I would like .373 and there are 240 jelly beans in the jar.

  182. PhrankLee says:

    Washingtron:
    Hunter, I would like .373 and there are 240 jelly beans in the jar.

    There. Are. Four. Lights!!

  183. hunter1909 says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Ca$h-Money!,

    HUNTER1909 “Death March to Spring” Sweepstakes:
    RULES: Name your EXACT three digit winning percentage for the rest of this season; the closest to the exact three digit winning percentage from tonight’s game on will win a prize.
    I’ll kick off at .600
    Oilers pre tonight’s game three digit percentage: .291
    Contest Open until opening face off January 15th when Oilers play Tampa Bay. Contest open to all Lowetide posters, and anyone who works for the Katz group in any way shape form or ice hockey team.

  184. Ca$h-Money! says:

    hunter1909:
    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Ca$h-Money!,

    HUNTER1909 “Death March to Spring” Sweepstakes:
    RULES: Name your EXACT three digit winning percentage for the rest of this season; the closest to the exact three digit winning percentage from tonight’s game on will win a prize.
    I’ll kick off at .600
    Oilers pre tonight’s game three digit percentage: .291
    Contest Open until opening face off January 15th when Oilers play Tampa Bay. Contest open to all Lowetide posters, and anyone who works for the Katz group in any way shape form or ice hockey team.

    Oh I see, didn’t realise there was a prize at stake, didn’t pay much attention to the rules.

    .438

  185. godot10 says:

    hunter1909:
    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Ca$h-Money!,

    HUNTER1909 “Death March to Spring” Sweepstakes:
    RULES: Name your EXACT three digit winning percentage for the rest of this season; the closest to the exact three digit winning percentage from tonight’s game on will win a prize.
    I’ll kick off at .600
    Oilers pre tonight’s game three digit percentage: .291
    Contest Open until opening face off January 15th when Oilers play Tampa Bay. Contest open to all Lowetide posters, and anyone who works for the Katz group in any way shape form or ice hockey team.

    Death March contest (godot10): 0.501

  186. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    PhrankLee: If we started the year with this line up I would have been in the 75-77 point range. I based a lot of my initial prediction on my assertions that these goalies weren’t good enough and depth at C is in very poor shape organizationally.

    I waffled between 78pts and 80pts, went with 80. I was definitely in the lower half of people as well. Thought they’d get a bit better netminding for sure. Definitely saw some flaws in the lineup

  187. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    hunter1909,

    .455 for me, please.

  188. Магия 10 says:

    hunter1909: You just pick a three digit winning percentage, starting last night(Todd Nelson’s REAL NHL debut)

    So no bettman grade inflation and .000 is out of reach. It’s irrational exuberance but I’ll put them 4 wins below true par @ .413

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