THE 30 BEST PLAYERS IN THE 2015 DRAFT

The Edmonton Oilers will be at one of the front tables again (!!!) at the 2015 draft but there will be new faces walking onto the stage. Oiler fans saw first indication* yesterday that Stu MacGregor is out and Bob Green is in as amateur scouting director.

*(changed word from confirmation to indication, so as to avoid conclusion 10:18AM)

  • Mark Spector:  We can tell you that it is clear to those inside the organization where a major problem lies, and that is in the player evaluation side. Both the amateur and pro scouting isn’t good enough, as Edmonton’s draft record and current goaltending tandem prove. Expect changes atop the amateur scouting department soon, where I would expect Bob Green — the man who built the Memorial Cup champion Edmonton Oil Kings as the team’s GM — to be put in charge of the department. Source

Book it. Spector also talks about the Oilers trading the Penguins’ 1st rd pick (acquired yesterday for David Perron) for defensive or goaltending help. Makes sense, but I think we’ll see that kind of a deal later in 2015, possibly the draft. Expect Jeff Petry and (possibly) Boyd Gordon next out of town.

EICHEL

THE 30 BEST PLAYERS IN THE 2015 DRAFT

  1. (1) C Connor McDavid, Erie Otters (OHL) Hard target No. 1.
  2. (2) C Jack Eichel, Boston U (NCAA) Hard target No. 2.
  3. (5) D Noah Hanifin, Boston College (NCAA) Closed well at world juniors. Impressive talent.
  4. (3) C Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (OHL) 6.03, approaching 2 points-per-game in world’s best jr league.
  5. (4) D Zach Werenski, Michigan (NCAA). Range of skills, trending.
  6. (10) R Mitch Marner, London Knights (OHL) 77 points in 37 GP. NHLE: 82, 21-30-51.
  7. (6) C Nick Merkley, Kelowna (WHL). Powerful skater with plus playmaking ability. Crazy offensive season.
  8. (7) C Pavel Zacha, Sarnia Sting (OHL) Huge forward impressing so far at WJ.
  9. (8) D Ivan Provorov, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) Love his skills, he’s going to be a favorite.
  10. (9) D Oliver Kylington, Farjestad (SEL) 6.0, 174. Two-way defender with terrific speed and an across the board skill set.
  11. (11) C Mathew Barzal, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) Intelligent offensive player with exceptional passing ability and speed.
  12. (12) L Lawson Crouse, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL). Big, big winger with some skill. The new Lucic hopeful?
  13. (NR) R Mikko Rantanen, TPS Turku (SML). Big winger with terrific skills. A fun player to watch.
  14. (NR) Nikita Korostelev, Sarnia Sting (OHL). Good size, speed, skill. I bet he moves up the list before June.
  15. (13) C Jansen Harkins, Prince George Cougars (WHL) Two-way center with emerging offense. Intelligent.
  16. (14) R Daniel Sprong, Charlettown Islanders (QMJHL) Dynamic scorer, excellent skater.
  17. (15) D Jeremy Roy, Sherbrooke Phoenix (QMJHL) Quality two-way defender. Smart player.
  18. (NR) Evgeni Svechnikov, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles (QMJHL). Major skill, size, speed.
  19. (NR) C Jeremy Bracco, USND (USHL). NO idea why this small skill center isn’t getting more attention.
  20. (NR) C Travis Konecny, Ottawa 67’s (OHL). Skill F, slightly undersized. Started slowly, coming along now.
  21. (NR) D Jakub Zboril, Saint John Seadogs (QMJHL). A puck-moving defender with size.
  22. (NR) L Dennis Yan, Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL). Skill winger scoring well in a good junior league.
  23. (NR) C Colin White, USND (USHL). Skill center scoring well, famous early.
  24. (NR) C Filip Chlapik, Charlottetown Islanders (QMJHL). Impressive young player, very creative.
  25. (NR) R Brock Boeser, Waterloo Blackhawks (USHL). Appears to be a talented tank.
  26. (NR) C Anthony Beauvillier, Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL). Small, exceptionally skilled center.
  27. (NR) L Ryan Gropp, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL). Has a plus shot, skates well, good size. Throwback winger.
  28. (NR) G MacKenzie Blackwood, Erie Otters (OHL). Started slowly, now sporting .914SP, .944 in December.
  29. (NR) C Kyle Connor, Youngstown (USHL). Scoring center isn’t lighting it up this year, highly regarded.
  30. (NR) L Paul Bittner, Portland (WHL). Big winger with some skill. I bet the Oilers love him.
  31. (NR) C Nicholas Roy, Chicoutimi (QMJHL). Tall, rangy playmaker who can play center or wing.
  32. (NR) D Nicolas Meloche, Baie-Comeau Drakker (QMJHL). Physical two-way defender.

I ran a bonus pair because Edmonton has three picks in the top 31 currently (lottery aside). While I’m at it, here are the current numbers of Oilers picks in the 2015 entry draft:

  • No. 1 overall
  • No. 28 overall (Perron trade)
  • No. 31 overall
  • No. 68 overall (Hemsky trade)
  • No. 91 overall
  • No. 121 overall
  • No. 151 overall
  • No. 181 overall

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SAIL ON, ST. JEROME PANTHER

I liked him on his draft day, as a St. Louis Blues winger and absolutely loved his game as an Oiler. David Perron gave Edmonton’s second line an agitator and a skilled man, he gave fans a nifty, sneaky veteran to cheer for and gave the opposition fits. I hope he wins Stanley in Pittsburgh or down the line and I think he’s a helluva hockey player. Sail on, David Perron, we saw you only 116 times in an Oilers uniform but you made an impact. One day this team will have enough David Perron’s to make a difference. I don’t know when that day will be, however.

ROB KLINKHAMMER 2014-15

    • 5×5 points per 60: 1.10
    • 5×4 points per 60:
    • Corsi For 5×5 %: 53
    • Qual Comp: 7th toughest among regular forwards (3line opp)
    • Qual Team: 9th best teammates among regular forwards (3line)
    • Corsi Rel: 9.1 (4th among Penguins forwards)
    • Zone Start: 52.1%
    • Shots on goal/percentage: 33/12.12%
    • Boxcars: 29gp, 4-2-6

These are combined totals, including Arizona and Pittsburgh. This is a good player card, Klinkhammer is a MacT-type through and through. I suspect he’ll slide in for Tyler Pitlick on the 4line (goodbye zone starts!) and that trio may end up getting more TOI than the Yakupov (fourth) line. I like the player, thought he was effective against us when a Coyote.

IS IT A GOOD TRADE?

The value of the trade, the return, is fine. About 116 more David Perron games for a useful checker and a first-round selection in a deep draft. Craig MacTavish needs to turn that pick into something useful for 2015-16 or this team will never get out of the lottery. The trade itself, without explanation, tells us they are once again moving back the age of the cluster. If that is their plan, all is lost. We can hope Craig MacTavish will trade the pick for immediate, effective help but we don’t have enough evidence that he’s capable of doing it. We wait.

WHO’S NEXT?

 

Love is all around for the Oilers best defenseman. What’s not to like? As this article explains, he’ll cost peanuts.

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157 Responses to "THE 30 BEST PLAYERS IN THE 2015 DRAFT"

  1. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Love the link en francais.
    Really hope they come to their senses on Petry. For some unknown reason, Petry’s comments make it sound like he’d STILL listen to these yo-yos if they approached him about a contract. “I’m open to talks.” He should, at this point, just be counting down the days until the trade deadline. My hope lies with Nelson. Todd sees Petry good. He’s got to tell MacT and co to re-sign that man. Even if it means sending Norris packing in the summer.

  2. TemujinBC says:

    Find good draft picks. Keep good draft picks.

    #BecauseOilers

  3. eidy says:

    Interested to see Klinkhamker. Hoping he surprises in a Hendricks sort of fashion. In the summer of last year this trade makes more sense if you use the cap savings to address down the middle. However the management team didn’t see this as a need anyways. Now it is mceichel or bust.

    I doubt they trade the pick at the end of the first round.

    A few years ago when Hemmer was on the block a number of articles came out here and around the blogosphere on why he should be kept. Any chance for a blitz of the Al Gore to try to keep #2 around. Petry long term dramatically decreased the needs on d going into next year

  4. oliveoilers says:

    I really, really, really do not like this trade. I was letting myself be swayed yesterday by cunning arguments that it was time, blah, blah, and the management actually did their homework on this deal. But this morning I read yet another hot dang article from our very own Bruce McCurdy on CoH where he makes the point that Perron is traded in short order after MacT buggered off back upstairs. This is after his ‘eye-ball to eye-ball’ stint. So, while I’d like to think that MacT traded because he actually believed this was a good thing for the Oil, past history tells us the Oil will happily slice off their nose to spite their face at any perceived criticism from players.

    The more I think about it, the more it irks. We swapped him for magic beans. A 28 goal scorer on a shitty team, likely a 35 goal scorer somewhere else. It’s not, as some suggest and rationalise, PRV + 2nd for 1st + Von Klink. Any deal, ANY DEAL revolves around the MOST SIGNIFICANT PIECE. That was Perron by a country mile. An actual useful NHL player. So while Friedman, and it’s not often I disagree with him, my be correct that Perron’s tangible value is what we got, he is actually much more valuable to us because who the hell replaces him? Want to sell your 1996 civic with 350,000 when it’s your only method of getting to work and earning money because you can make $1500 now when it’s actual WORTH is $50,000 a year salary?

    Talk about painting ourselves into corners, man. I wish I could believe this was just a stepping stone to another deal. Stubbornness tells otherwise. And now LT drops the bombshell that Gordon might be on the way out? Because we have so much strength at center. What have you heard LT?

    The Edmonton Oilers truly do make decisions based on things other than winning.

  5. blainer says:

    It’s clear inside the organization there is a problem with player evaluation. It’s VERY clear its a major problem to people outside the organization as well. I think that was one of the big reasons Eakins lost his job and why MacT is on probation for the coming months. I agree with your statement earlier that Nelson will take us out of the McEichel territory. The one way that may not happen is the trading away of players like Petry which in my mind is a given and maybe Gordon and Hendricks. MacT will have to trade his way out our current mess as this is a very weak year for UFA’s… Boychuck excluded..

  6. Lowetide says:

    I think the plan is probably:

    1. Stink
    2. Draft McDavid
    3. C 15-16: Nuge, McDavid, Leon, Gordon
    4. trade Pens pick plus Petry or Marincin or whomever and whenever for help at G.
    5. Darnell!

  7. oliveoilers says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Love the link en francais.
    Really hope they come to their senses on Petry. For some unknown reason, Petry’s comments make it sound like he’d STILL listen to these yo-yos if they approached him about a contract. “I’m open to talks.” He should, at this point, just be counting down the days until the trade deadline. My hope lies with Nelson. Todd sees Petry good. He’s got to tell MacT and co to re-sign that man. Even if it means sending Norris packing in the summer.

    I’m open to talks…But it’ll cost ya! Good for Petry! Sounds like the guy who says anything’s for sale, for the right price.

  8. Lowetide says:

    oliveoilers:
    .And now LT drops the bombshell that Gordon might be on the way out?Because we have so much strength at center.What have you heard LT?

    I haven’t heard anything, but it makes sense. Gordon’s contract expires 2016 summer just like Perron.

  9. frjohnk says:

    I don’t want to see Petry go but Im more OK with trading Petry moreso than trading Gordon.

    I have a feeling we will get Boychuk which would basically replace Petry

    I don’t have a feeling we will get a center this summer especially one like Gordon. Man he is a beast

  10. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide:
    I think the plan is probably:

    1. Stink
    2. Draft McDavid
    3. C 15-16: Nuge, McDavid, Leon, Gordon
    4. trade Pens pick plus Petry or Marincin or whomever and whenever for help at G.
    5. Darnell!

    6. Stink

  11. blainer says:

    frjohnk:
    I don’t want to see Petry go but Im more OK with trading Petry moreso than trading Gordon.

    I have a feeling we will get Boychuk which would basically replace Petry

    I don’t have a feeling we will get a center this summer especially one like Gordon.Man he is a beast

    Agrees 100%. Losing Gordon kills us. Like Petry but if we can get Boychuck I can live with it though I would rather have Petry and Boychuck instead of Shultz and Boychuck..

  12. thejonrmcleod says:

    I don’t think you can say the Oilers-Blues trade now is Paajarvi and Barbashev for a first round pick. The Oilers got 33 goals out of the deal so far. The Blues have basically got nothing at the NHL level so far.

  13. blainer says:

    oliveoilers: 6. Stink

    LOl.. We have the Stink part Down. I can’t believe that Buffalo and Carolina are trying to compete with our stink.. they are wasting their time. NOBODY stinks worse than us !!

  14. John Chambers says:

    Lowetide:
    I think the plan is probably:

    1. Stink
    2. Draft McDavid
    3. C 15-16: Nuge, McDavid, Leon, Gordon
    4. trade Pens pick plus Petry or Marincin or whomever and whenever for help at G.
    5. Darnell!

    In all fairness MacT will (soon) have:
    1) added veterans Gordon, Perron, Pouliot, Ference, Fayne (and Nikitin … Puke) to the young lineup
    2) left Nurse in junior for two seasons
    3) returned Drai to junior (hopefully)
    4) swapped the poor goaltending tandem, albeit for another poor tandem
    5) not committed heaven and earth to Justin Schultz

    Despite making some awful moves like not addressing Centre, he has at least attempted to add vets to the lineup and allowed the Marincins and Klefboms to hone their game in OKC.

    Its true that Gordon might soon get traded for assets, and why not, but I also foresee at least three veteran additions this offseason through trade and free agency, and if I was a guessing man, which I am, my spidey sense tells me it’s Vermette, Boychuk, and Niemi.

  15. oliveoilers says:

    blainer: LOl.. We have the Stink part Down. I can’tbelieve that Buffalo and Carolina are trying to compete with our stink.. they are wasting their time. NOBODY stinks worse than us !!

    Well, imitation IS the highest form of flattery. We are so far past stink that we approach it from the other side.

  16. sliderule says:

    Marner is lighting it up even with Domi at WJC.He could be first draft eligible to score over 2 pts / game in a while..He is only 5-11 and 165 but Kane was about same size.
    Strome is also scoring at almost 2 pts/game without Mcdavid..He is 6-3 and 190 lbs with room to grow.
    Lots of talent in top six in this draft.

  17. Mr DeBakey says:

    frjohnk: I have a feeling we will get Boychuk which would basically replace Petry

    No
    This got kicked around here the other day.
    I started it with some anti-Boychuk snark
    Some more thoughtful commenters pointed out that Boychuk will be on the wrong side of 30
    Sort of a new Khabibulin/Ference kinda deal

  18. frjohnk says:

    By the deadline we probably dump

    1. Petry for a 2nd rounder
    2. Fasth for a 15th rounder

    Maybe we can retain salary and dump Nikitin for a 6th.

    Bring up and keep Marincin.

  19. Caramel Obvious says:

    oliveoilers,

    I don’t particularly love the trade but you are seriously overrating Perron. To wit:

    Perron’s career high in goals is 28. He is not a 28 goal scorer. That’s his outer marker. He is most specifically not a 35 goal scorer even on a good team.

    So what is that worth. I tell you what it isn’t worth. A good second line center. I know that’s what everyone wants but Perron isn’t a good enough player to get you that.

    Perron is worth a first round pick and that’s what you got. The only real question is why now, since he would still get you that in a month. I think the reason is that this lets you move on and find out what you have without him. That has value.

    I would have liked a FnA trade as much as anyone else, but that never was in the cards. Call this one a push.

  20. oliveoilers says:

    Mr DeBakey: No
    This got kicked around here the other day.
    I started it with some anti-Boychuk snark
    Some more thoughtful commenters pointed out that Boychuk will be on the wrong side of 30
    Sort of a new Khabibulin/Ference kinda deal

    Often, when decisions are made, unexpected results crop up long term. It would seem that while it is known that the Oilers will overpay to attract free agents, it is, but the wrong sort. It is possible that some of these view the Oilers as a retirement plan. They know the team isn’t competitive, probably won’t be while they’re there, so they make out like bandits on piles of cash for their last few seasons on the decline. And Caramel was so nasty when I questioned him about the wisdom of overpayment. Though I was against it because it eats up salary usable for a useful player, I did not foresee the Happy Towers Oilers Retirement package.

  21. blainer says:

    John Chambers: In all fairness MacT will (soon) have:
    1) added veterans Gordon, Perron, Pouliot, Ference, Fayne (and Nikitin … Puke) to the young lineup
    2) left Nurse in junior for two seasons
    3) returned Drai to junior (hopefully)
    4) swapped the poor goaltending tandem, albeit for another poor tandem
    5) not committed heaven and earth to Justin Schultz

    Despite making some awful moves like not addressing Centre, he has at least attempted to add vets to the lineup and allowed the Marincins and Klefboms to hone their game in OKC.

    Its true that Gordon might soon get traded for assets, and why not, but I also foresee at least three veteran additions this offseason through trade and free agency, and if I was a guessing man, which I am, my spidey sense tells me it’s Vermette, Boychuk, and Niemi.

    There is truth to that. He has made some good moves and hopefully has learned from the mistakes like Clarkson.. learning on the job has to stop and hopefully he makes the correct decisions going forward.. No more Nikitin moves. Do not sign a D who has been scratched by their former team.That is a red flag. I will admit I was really expecting more from Nikitin.

  22. Lowetide says:

    John Chambers: In all fairness MacT will (soon) have:
    1) added veterans Gordon, Perron, Pouliot, Ference, Fayne (and Nikitin … Puke) to the young lineup
    2) left Nurse in junior for two seasons
    3) returned Drai to junior (hopefully)
    4) swapped the poor goaltending tandem, albeit for another poor tandem
    5) not committed heaven and earth to Justin Schultz

    Despite making some awful moves like not addressing Centre, he has at least attempted to add vets to the lineup and allowed the Marincins and Klefboms to hone their game in OKC.

    Its true that Gordon might soon get traded for assets, and why not, but I also foresee at least three veteran additions this offseason through trade and free agency, and if I was a guessing man, which I am, my spidey sense tells me it’s Vermette, Boychuk, and Niemi.

    Yeah, I’m a MacT fan and this blog has been very supportive of Craig MacTavish as a GM. The thing is you develop a past and the moves made in 2013 (Perron, Gordon) are having to be undone because of the moves of 2014 (Scrivens, Nikitin).

    So, there’s that. MacT is a smart guy and he’s learning on the job, but I’m thinking the Oilers may be better off calling Nashville and asking for permission to talk to their asst GM.

    Just saying.

  23. frjohnk says:

    Mr DeBakey: No
    This got kicked around here the other day.
    I started it with some anti-Boychuk snark
    Some more thoughtful commenters pointed out that Boychuk will be on the wrong side of 30
    Sort of a new Khabibulin/Ference kinda deal

    Johnny still has some good hockey left.

    Compared to Ference is not proper.

    At Ferences best he was not close to Johnny is right now.

    Ference signed here at 34.

    Johnny will be 31 this summer.

    Im not worried the first couple of years, I would be worried if its a 7 year deal.

  24. blainer says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    oliveoilers,

    I don’t particularly love the trade but you are seriously overrating Perron.To wit:

    Perron’s career high in goals is 28.He is not a 28 goal scorer.That’s his outer marker.He is most specifically not a 35 goal scorer even on a good team.

    So what is that worth.I tell you what it isn’t worth.A good second line center.I know that’s what everyone wants but Perron isn’t a good enough player to get you that.

    Perron is worth a first round pick and that’s what you got.The only real question is why now, since he would still get you that in a month.I think the reason is that this lets you move on and find out what you have without him.That has value.

    I would have liked a FnA trade as much as anyone else, but that never was in the cards.Call this one a push.

    The why now part is injury concerns.. concussions and hip etc. If he gets injured in the next month and is gone for the year that 1st rounder is gone. The upside of injury is he would have been back next year .

  25. oliveoilers says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    oliveoilers,

    I don’t particularly love the trade but you are seriously overrating Perron.To wit:

    Perron’s career high in goals is 28.He is not a 28 goal scorer.That’s his outer marker.He is most specifically not a 35 goal scorer even on a good team.

    So what is that worth.I tell you what it isn’t worth.A good second line center.I know that’s what everyone wants but Perron isn’t a good enough player to get you that.

    Perron is worth a first round pick and that’s what you got.The only real question is why now, since he would still get you that in a month.I think the reason is that this lets you move on and find out what you have without him.That has value.

    I would have liked a FnA trade as much as anyone else, but that never was in the cards.Call this one a push.

    No, you mis-understand and that’s probably my fault for writing a Wall-o-Text(TM). 😉 I acknowledged that we received Perron’s value. But we received nowhere near his WORTH to this organisation. We simply do not have enough actual NHL players to bandy about trades for peanuts. That is why I said we’d painted ourselves into a corner. Through incompetent asset management and seriously negligent scouting, though they may be the other way around, we now have no choice to go unicorn hunting with my daughter’s Red Ryder BB gun.

  26. GCW_69 says:

    Caramel Obvious: Call this one a push.

    Any time you aren’t Chicago or St Louis deep and you trade a top six forward or a top four defender for magic beans, you lose. Full stop.

  27. blainer says:

    Lowetide: Yeah, I’m a MacT fan and this blog has been very supportive of Craig MacTavish as a GM. The thing is you develop a past and the moves made in 2013 (Perron, Gordon) are having to be undone because of the moves of 2014 (Scrivens, Nikitin).

    So, there’s that. MacT is a smart guy and he’s learning on the job, but I’m thinking the Oilers may be better off calling Nashville and asking for permission to talk to their asst GM.

    Just saying.

    Ya I wonder how Howson’s job security is doing after the Nikitin fiasco. How about Detroit’s asst GM. He must be good too.

  28. GCW_69 says:

    Lowetide: So, there’s that. MacT is a smart guy and he’s learning on the job, but I’m thinking the Oilers may be better off calling Nashville and asking for permission to talk to their asst GM.
    Just saying.

    Fenton over Joe Will?

  29. Lowetide says:

    GCW_69: Fenton over Joe Will?

    That’s my ‘hot take’ but I’m prepared to be convinced otherwise.

  30. smellyglove says:

    Liked Perron, but don’t hate the trade. We’ve a logjam on the W and it’s been hurting Yakupov. The Oilers need to see if he’s a Filatov or a Radulov (took draft+5yrs to kiss a point per game). Personally, I think Yak is closer to the former, but you can’t blame MacT for wanting to see. Nail was a #1OV for crying out loud.

    Perron brought a missing element to the team, but he’s replaceable and his replacement shores up the bottom 6. A first round pick in God’s Draft is more than worth the spread between a capable 3rd liner (Klink) and a great 2nd liner (Perron).

    To be honest, I’d have rather seen Eberle shipped out than Perron, and that’s coming from a huge Eberle fan. I was knee deep in a 40 of rum when Jordan’s name was called in 2008 and I was pretty damn happy that the Oilers drafted him.

    It’d be great to see the Pen’s pick traded at the draft, as well as our 2016 first round pick. Trading that 2016 first round pick is a covenant with the eternally suffering fans of Edmonton. “We promise to put our asses on the line to improve this team, this time, there is no plan B.”

  31. Bank Shot says:

    How does everyone feel about Eller for Perron at this point in time?

    That trade was bandied about in preseason. I was in favor of it at the time. Some were adamant that Perron was too good to trade for such a return. Oilers could sign him to a new contract. Center position wasn’t a dire enough need to lose a trade over.

    I don’t know if time has changed minds but I’d still take Eller over a late first all day at this point in time. He would have helped this season out a little bit IMO. Surely he’d help more over the next 3 seasons than a first rounder that in all likelihood won’t turn out any better than Eller 7 years down the line.

    Yes, the Oilers can potentially trade that first rounder at the draft for a good, albeit flawed player, but I feel the odds of that aren’t good. Cue Mact stating that there was nothing good to be had and the Oilers are comfortable with what they have going into next season.

  32. oilersfan says:

    Lowetide i dont believe they will trade Gordon. The big criticism in the msm has been the lack of transitional vets. They were lucky to sign him and know they wont be able to replace him. I bet this time next year they are trying to extend him.

    I will also go beyond the narrative on this forum and argue they will sign Petry, or at least make a serious effort, starting this week.

    Once Leon is sent down today signing Petry has to be job 1.

  33. AZOIL says:

    Lowetide: I haven’t heard anything, but it makes sense. Gordon’s contract expires 2016 summer just like Perron.

    Why don’t we resign players? Is Gordon too much to resign? Or do we have a better replacement?

  34. oilersfan says:

    Also with the cap not going up as much as expected, there will be lots of good players available from Chicago, St Louis, Boston etc. i could see sobotka for ottawa’s third, and a legit second pairing an for Pittsburgh’w first. A goalie doesnt cost much i wouldn’t give up more than a fourth for it.

  35. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: I haven’t heard anything, but it makes sense. Gordon’s contract expires 2016 summer just like Perron.

    Of coarse it makes sense on 2 fronts . First a team that thinks there close other than the shut down “C” that Gordon is plus he should bring good value and he won’t resign long term . .All players want at least 1 shot at a decent playoff run .

  36. Lowetide says:

    AZOIL: Why don’t we resign players? Is Gordon too much to resign? Or do we have a better replacement?

    Gordon signed here for good money but also to make things better. I expect he’ll sign with a contending team in 2016.

  37. RexLibris says:

    It is sad to say this, but I’m beginning to feel that no prospect in this draft short of Connor McDavid is enough to rescue the organization from the sum total of their mistakes these past ten years.

    Is it a good thing to hope for one talent so tremendous that it papers over a legion of errors made by ownership and management? Or would it be preferable to acquire a more modest (relatively speaking) prospect in the hopes that the end result with bring about a better management group and thus, hopefully, better decision-makers?

  38. SwedishPoster says:

    So I did some counting today. I’ve always had the feeling that Yak is more dangerous on his right side than on his left, worse corsi or not, and last night it felt very odd that Fraser played RW while Yak played LW since from what I’ve understood Fraser prefer the left side. So I sat down and tried to find a good page for line combos on a game by game basis but couldn’t find one, is there such a page out there? So what I did was I checked the line combos for each game at the time and compared it to the on ice results, goals, assists, sog and +/-. I briefly looked at toi but didn’t mind making an actual calculation and got a gist for linemates since I checked every lineup. I did it for the last two seasons since from what I recall he rarely played LW the first season and I got a bit sick of looking at every bloody lineup after a while. My results should be correct as a whole but ofc there’s a risk I’ve made a few miscalculations. I didn’t check corsi or other advanced stats since this comparison from what I’ve understood has already been done showing his corsi is better when he plays LW.

    2012/2013 Yak mainly played RW, 48 games, 17 goals, 14 assist, 31 points, -4, 81 sog. 1,7 shots/game. 0.65 ppg.

    2013/2014
    RW, 41 GP, 7 goals, 9 assists, 16 points, -13, 72 sog. 1,76 s/g, 0,39 PPG. 5 on 5 PPG 0,34.
    LW 22 GP, 4 goals, 4 assists, 8 points, -20, 50 sog, 2,27 s/g. 0,36 PPG. 5 on 5 PPG 0,18.
    2 goals on each side came on the powerplay, both PP assists came when he played LW.
    His time on LW was mainly first and second line, on RW usually 2nd or 3rd, all his time on the 4th line was as a RW and the toi in general was lower when he played RW, including a stint on the 4th with 6-9 min/game. His best stretch was with Hall and Gags/RNH as RW on the 1st line, which makes sense. His biggest struggles was also as a first liner with RNH and Ebs as LW, he got some points but the GAs went in the drrain.

    2014/2015 so far.
    RW 24 GP, 3 goals, 4 assists, 7 points, -9, 50 sog, 2,1 s/g, 0,29 PPG. 1 assist on the PP ergo 5 on 5 PPG 0,25.
    LW 15 GP, 1 goal, 1 assist, 2 points, -11, 25 sog, 1,67 s/g, 0,13 PPG. The goal and the assist both were on the powerplay so 5 on 5 PPG 0.
    2nd/3rd line on both wings and the toi didn’t seem to differ too much.

    The sample sizes are iffy and the numbers outside the first season aren’t good no matter how you look at it.
    If you disregard the first year where I’m not fully certain which games he played LW if any and his shoting was through the roof, he still seems the doing better off his RW if you look at 5 on 5 scoring and certainly if you consider the fact that both linemates and toi overall was better for him as a LW.

    The numbers at least suggest he’s more efficient on his right side, which conveniantly rhymes with what my eyes have told me :).

    This is far from “good science”, sample sizes and all, but since he has said he prefers his right side(before being media trained), he usually at least to my eye seems more dangerous off his right side, his 5 on 5 scoring is better as a RW despite less toi and worse linemates and the +/- though being a dodgy stat at least suggests he’s actually bleeding less goals against no matter what the corsis tells us my take is that if the coaches wants him to be put in a position to succeed he should play RW.

  39. Hammers says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    oliveoilers,

    I don’t particularly love the trade but you are seriously overrating Perron.To wit:

    Perron’s career high in goals is 28.He is not a 28 goal scorer.That’s his outer marker.He is most specifically not a 35 goal scorer even on a good team.

    So what is that worth.I tell you what it isn’t worth.A good second line center.I know that’s what everyone wants but Perron isn’t a good enough player to get you that.

    Perron is worth a first round pick and that’s what you got.The only real question is why now, since he would still get you that in a month.I think the reason is that this lets you move on and find out what you have without him.That has value.

    I would have liked a FnA trade as much as anyone else, but that never was in the cards.Call this one a push.

    Good analysis Plus add how much he would have cost if he stayed . Price was going up not down .

  40. rich says:

    Lowetide: That’s my ‘hot take’ but I’m prepared to be convinced otherwise.

    Would be ecstatic of Nicholson and the Oilers were to bring Fenton in. Nashville absolutely knows how to draft and develop and has done well for years in a small market – especially with defensemen and goalies.

    They are also patient (exception of Seth Jones) with them to allow their prospects time to develop in juniors and the AHL instead of rushing them to the NHL to develop in the toughest leagues. In the 11 years I’ve been in Nashville, Jones is the only 1 who has ever been pushed – mostly because of a need to sell tickets after Sutter left. Jones is going thru the growing pains now, but the patience with Forsberg has paid huge dividends.

    Plus he finds gems like Hornquist in the 7th round.

  41. Unicorns says:

    I just fired up capgeek to have a look at the cap for next year and went to armchair GM. I changed the year up at the top and looked across to the team dropdown menu which was set already to Edmonton, and saw ‘because Edmonton Oilers’. I think they’re getting to me.

  42. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I haven’t heard anything, but it makes sense. Gordon’s contract expires 2016 summer just like Perron.

    The depth chart at LW is *slightly* different than the depth chart at C.

    LW
    Hall
    Pouliot
    Perron
    Yak
    Hendricks

    C
    RNH
    Gordon
    Lander
    Draisaitl

  43. misfit says:

    Lowetide:
    I think the plan is probably:

    1. Stink
    2. Draft McDavid
    3. C 15-16: Nuge, McDavid, Leon, Gordon
    4. trade Pens pick plus Petry or Marincin or whomever and whenever for help at G.
    5. Darnell!

    Agreed. They seem to be willing to bet big on Nurse. Petry would be the absolute ideal player to aid him in his ttransition to the NHL game. Unfortunately, instead of being Petry’s partner, Darnell is more likely to be his replacement (also, they seem to like the notion of playing him at RD based on preseason the last 2 years).

    MacTavish was right in his assessment of Klefbom, who is already looking like this team’s best defenseman or close to it (I’ve been far more impressed with him this season than I was with Marincin last year, who was also excellent). I just hope he isn’t expecting Nurse to walk in and do the same next year with even less veteran support.

  44. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Gordon signed here for good money but also to make things better. I expect he’ll sign with a contending team in 2016.

    Or would he?

    Are we assuming this because the Oilers trade these players before they become a UFA and then tell us that the player had no intention of re-signing? Or are we assuming this based on that one horrible summer in 2006 when everyone and his dog was waiting in line at the airport for the next flight out of town?

    Now, I hold to the strategy that any team finding itself “on the bubble” to make the playoffs or below that line absolutely needs to trade their pending UFAs for picks because you simply cannot afford in this league today to lose assets for nothing, regardless of the optics.

    However, a decision on Gordon doesn’t have to be made this year given that the likely return isn’t going to exceed Perron’s value. The only way it makes sense is if you have decided to give Lander enough rope to finally climb out or hang himself and that you want to run a C corps next season that wouldn’t be old enough to drink on international flights.

    Is McDavid worth losing Gordon early and letting all the air out of this season? Unfortunately, yes.

    But does a strategic move for the franchise justify letting down 23 other players? I’m not sure it does.

    I say all of this as someone who’ll probably be twitching like a madman during the draft lottery.

  45. Woodguy says:

    SwedishPoster,

    This chart is a year old, but at this time he was clearly better in terms of goals for on the left side:

    https://twitter.com/mparkatti/status/418928048298143744

    Mike has different number than you the first two years, and I trust Mike’s numbers.

    NOTE: Mike’s EG number is “expected goals” not actual goals.

    Your data might be right.

    He’s still a zone exit disaster on the right side (like the wonderful blind back hand last night)

    I don’t think its close.

  46. oliveoilers says:

    Hammers: Good analysis Plus add how much he would have cost if he stayed . Price was going up not down .

    Well, the thing is we wouldn’t have had to find out for another full year. Get good players, keep good players. So now we don’t want good players because they want to get paid? How about the bad players we pay for? What’s the rationale there? Leverage to resign them at a lower price? Bad players buy you #1 draft picks?

    This is why I’m starting to turn on this management group: Their way of doing business seems to be insinuating itself into the very thinking of the awesome fans. It’s a kind of passive indoctrination that lulls us into thinking it’s perfectly reasonable to suck at everything.

  47. blainer says:

    oilersfan:
    Also with the cap not going up as much as expected, there will be lots of good players available from Chicago, St Louis, Boston etc. i could see sobotka for ottawa’s third, and a legit second pairing an for Pittsburgh’w first. A goalie doesnt cost much i wouldn’t give up more than a fourth for it.

    I am also a big Sobotka fan but I think he may be a UFA this year. I’m not sure how that works as he bolted to the K in a RFA year. I believe he is 28 this year. If he is a UFA he will be the most sought after center on the market. Maybe LT knows more on that .

  48. LMHF#1 says:

    I hope they do trade Gordon. He’s worth something to a contender, but can certainly be replaced next year. It also rewards him for doing such a tough job but that’s neither here nor there.

    I’d thought they’d wait til the deadline and send a “care package” of Petry, Gordon and Perron to a contender with injury trouble for a couple strong prospects and picks.

  49. misfit says:

    Woodguy: The depth chart at LW is *slightly* different than the depth chart at C.

    LW
    Hall
    Pouliot
    Perron
    Yak
    Hendricks

    C
    RNH
    Gordon
    Lander
    Draisaitl

    Gordon also has a $3M cap hit, is over 30, and they just added a cheaper, younger, Alberta-born center in Klinkhammer.

    I’d rather see Klink-Gordon-xxxxx as our “checking” 4th line, but the Oilers brass rarely see things my way.

  50. frjohnk says:

    blainer: I am also a big Sobotka fan but I think he may be a UFA this year. I’m not sure how that works as he bolted to the K in a RFA year. I believe he is 28 this year. If he is a UFA he will be the most sought after center on the market. Maybe LT knows more on that .

    If he comes back to the NHL he is RFA. He has to play one more year in the NHL for UFA status

  51. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: The depth chart at LW is *slightly* different than the depth chart at C.

    LW
    Hall
    Pouliot
    Perron
    Yak
    Hendricks

    C
    RNH
    Gordon
    Lander
    Draisaitl

    You must have a Master’s degree in understatement.

  52. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: The depth chart at LW is *slightly* different than the depth chart at C.

    LW
    Hall
    Pouliot
    Perron
    Yak
    Hendricks

    C
    RNH
    Gordon
    Lander
    Draisaitl

    The one area I trust MacT is finding checking centers. I suspect he can get one in the summer.

  53. Hammers says:

    LT we have 5 choices in the first 100 and that seems to be a number that gives players a shot at the NHL . . My question to you is if 2 or 3 are ready to move to the AHL and 2 back to junior and say at least 2 or 3 UFA’s can be signed we have some players that will slip out of the 50 list (47now) .We have players that will be gone via trade or UFA so how much turnover do you expect ? I can see as many as 10 . Any thoughts .

  54. frjohnk says:

    misfit: Gordon also has a $3M cap hit, is over 30, and they just added a cheaper, younger, Alberta-born center in Klinkhammer.

    I’d rather see Klink-Gordon-xxxxx as our “checking” 4th line, but the Oilers brass rarely see things my way.

    Not sure where people are getting that Klinkhammer is a center. He has taken 13 FO’s in his career.
    https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/4650/

  55. Woodguy says:

    misfit: Gordon also has a $3M cap hit, is over 30, and they just added a cheaper, younger, Alberta-born center in Klinkhammer.

    I’d rather see Klink-Gordon-xxxxx as our “checking” 4th line, but the Oilers brass rarely see things my way.

    I’ve read that Klinkhammer’s a center in a few spots.

    I’m not sure why people think that’s the case.

    Kilinkhammer total faceoffs taken:

    14/15 – 2 (1 each for PIT and ARI)
    13/14 – 6
    12/13 – 2
    11/12 – 3

    He’s not a center.

  56. John Chambers says:

    Lowetide: Yeah, I’m a MacT fan and this blog has been very supportive of Craig MacTavish as a GM. The thing is you develop a past and the moves made in 2013 (Perron, Gordon) are having to be undone because of the moves of 2014 (Scrivens, Nikitin).

    So, there’s that. MacT is a smart guy and he’s learning on the job, but I’m thinking the Oilers may be better off calling Nashville and asking for permission to talk to their asst GM.

    Just saying.

    Indeed. Fact of the matter is that MacT probably thought they were close to being a playoff team when the puck dropped for game 1, and he’s undoubtedly tormented by the results. He was brought in to conclude the re-building process and as it happens that’s not an easy task, especially with Red Light Racicot and his buddy Karri Takko as the goaltending tandem.

    Lesson learned. The hard way. The Oilers way.

    But two things:
    1) they’ll be even more adamant about expediently getting over the hump this summer. The forensic audit will reveal that going into the season without a starting goalie and 2 NHL Centres is a loser’s logic and they’ll go all Nashville with centre depth to start next season.
    2) no reason to not be pragmatic in the here and now. Season’s lost so may as well cash in Perron, Gordon, and anyone else for scratch and win tickets while grasping one of the main attractions at this summer’s draft.

    MacT has been a busy man since taking the helm. Judging by our pre-season predictions we are as January as he is about guessing at what it takes to overcome this lost decade. But I think that the wretched slide needed to happen in order to evolve out of yesteryear’s habits and run the franchise like, you know, a major league one. My guess is that they have next season to get over the hump, so my bet is on MacT going full Garth Snow this summer.

    Should be fun, and will make for some excellent blogging.

  57. Woodguy says:

    …..and FRJohnK beat me by a minute

  58. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy: I’ve read that Klinkhammer’s a center in a few spots.

    I’m not sure why people think that’s the case.

    Kilinkhammer total faceoffs taken:

    14/15 – 2 (1 each for PIT and ARI)
    13/14 – 6
    12/13 – 2
    11/12 – 3

    He’s not a center.

    Umm he hasn’t historically been a Centre, but now he wears the Oil drop so he will almost certainly now be a Centre.

    Tell me you haven’t seen this movie before …

  59. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: The one area I trust MacT is finding checking centers. I suspect he can get one in the summer.

    So give up one of the best one’s in the NHL so he can go find another?

    I’m not buying it.

    There’s a strong case to be made that Gordon is the team’s MVP this year.

    There’s no reason for moving him.

    Even when MacT makes egregious errors you can parse his logic, but there’s no logic in selling Gordon.

  60. Hammers says:

    oliveoilers: Well, the thing is we wouldn’t have had to find out for another full year.Get good players, keep good players.So now we don’t want good players because they want to get paid?How about the bad players we pay for?What’s the rationale there?Leverage to resign them at a lower price?Bad players buy you #1 draft picks?

    This is why I’m starting to turn on this management group:Their way of doing business seems to be insinuating itself into the very thinking of the awesome fans.It’s a kind of passive indoctrination that lulls us into thinking it’s perfectly reasonable to suck at everything.

    I’m not enamored with our leaders but I’m not sure we would get a 1st for Perron next year . Also he was on track for no more than 12 goals this year .

  61. Woodguy says:

    John Chambers: Umm he hasn’t historically been a Centre, but now he wears the Oil drop so he will almost certainly now be a Centre.

    Tell me you haven’t seen this movie before …

    Lander’s here, Gordon’s here and everyone has lost their mind by putting pending UFA Kilnkhammer at 4C.

    Chances are PIT didn’t want to fill up the 50 man (like MacT when trading Arco) and Klinkhammer is a warm body.

    Seriously.

    Might be a test drive for next year, but that doesn’t make him a C.

  62. jake70 says:

    If I am Katz, I call Bettman doing my best Brando, and let him know the Oilers would be willing to make a LARGE accounting error (send too much) in their equaliz, I mean revenue sharing payment to the league for McDavid guarantee. 🙂

  63. oliveoilers says:

    So the plan by consensus is to trade Gordon because he’s easily replaced and this is to be carried out by the same guys who thought we were adequate in D and C and G positions this year and would be at least challenging for a playoff spot, and they’re going to accomplish this by trading actual NHL players for draft picks? In a nutshell.

    Gord, please send baby Jeebus to help us.

  64. digdeepnbleedblue says:

    Rant on the suits:

    First: What a terrible game last night. Shootout loss or not. That was holy bad. I said once I saw the Perron trade that ‘the tank is on.’ It is. Get ready for some GREAT hockey down the road here. SOB….

    IMO the players knew it. And they played like it. Hurt me to watch.

    Side note…or not: When MacT was interviewed at the WJC he mentioned he’s seen McDavid and Eichel a plenty…

    With all that, I still think the structure and strategy is night and day. Holy shite was that last guy a terrible coach. Those Tranna guys were blowing the big smoke right up his….

    On the suits: MacT has done some respectable things here. No doubt. Brought in vets. This team needed that. And, it helped, but he made two disastrous mistakes.

    First disaster: That last guy who pretended to be coach. He fucked these cats up. There slowly figuring out how to play hockey the right way again. What a disaster. Fugly.

    Pouliott after last game, paraphrase: Playing with Roy and Purcell is good they’re vets and they know where to go.

    Sounds like a case of random kids screaming and running around in circles out there. I’ve bore witness… Nelson’s got his work cut out for him. Poor bastard!

    2nd cluster fuck: Signing Nikitin. Now if they just took a run at him at free agency and got burned, well, fuck Nikitin but that didn’t happen. Instead, they traded for his rights and negotiated. What they came up with was two years at 4.5m. Wow! So… You had the time to watch tape, asses the player and you still dropped dough like a spoiled fucking rich chick.

    What a fucking mess. There’s your fist buyout post free cap hit buyout… That’s not egg on your face, that’s shit.

    Honorable mention: Schultz at 3.675. Spending OTHER PEOPLES money sounds fun…

    What do you do?

    Draft McDavid or Eichel or Hanifin. That’s first. If there’s a solid trade with the Pens pick, do it. But I would use it, hope that someone is magnificent at talent evaluation, and draft another gem. 2 or 3 years (if it’s a F) and you could have a cheap top 6 piece to add to the core. Study LA, they’re good at this. And, swing for the fences in free agency. Get a centre and a D. Goaler too.

    Just close your eyes, pray to your deity and swing hard. Because, every trade you do now will weaken you somewhere.

    One last thing: If you can’t sign Petry for 4 at 3.5m or less. He’s good but not that good. Don’t do it. Trade him.

  65. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Lowetide,

    Isn’t that Roman Horak? Particularly with the warm barf that is the Russian ruble.

  66. Hammers says:

    Woodguy: So give up one of the best one’s in the NHL so he can go find another?

    I’m not buying it.

    There’s a strong case to be made that Gordon is the team’s MVP this year.

    There’s no reason for moving him.

    Even when MacT makes egregious errors you can parse his logic, but there’s no logic in selling Gordon.

    Woodguy since when does the word Logic come up with Oilers . Nothing will surprise me including a Petry resigning .

  67. Traktor says:

    Every fan who follows hockey can agree that Edmonton’s goaltending is horrendous. Not just the GAA or SV% but the actual goals that have been scored on our tandem… extremely soft goal almost every game it seems.

    We can talk about team play, strength of defense, too much youth ect but the simple fact is our goalies are letting in pucks that are should never cross the goal line.

    The crazy thing though? I think most would agree with me that both goalies are likely to regain that abductor reflex thing that makes Frank such a good goalie.

    And whoever we acquire will likely suck so if its me I’m not shipping off prime assets for a tender. I’d much rather use it for top D. Someone that can move the puck but doesn’t fuck around when it comes to protecting the net. Basically someone like Gator but with a bit off offensive ability.

    Personally I’d move Petry… stats probably say he’s a great player but he doesn’t play a heavy enough game for my liking. And lets face it.. our forwards are pretty easy to play against if they aren’t scoring.

  68. thejonrmcleod says:

    I hope what Garth Snow did last summer will be a good example for MacT. If you had plugged Boychuk, Leddy, Grabovski, and Halak into the Oilers lineup at the start of the season, how much better would they have been?

  69. Lowetide says:

    Hammers:
    LT we have 5 choices in the first 100 and that seems to be a number that gives players a shot at the NHL . . My question to you is if 2 or 3 are ready to move to the AHL and 2 back to junior and say at least 2 or 3 UFA’s can be signed we have some players that will slip out of the 50 list (47now) .We have players that will be gone via trade or UFA so how much turnover do you expect ? I can see as many as 10 . Any thoughts .

    On the 50 man list? Oh YEAH, I expect a few players to be gone:

    1. Nail Yakupov
    2. Jeff Petry
    3. Derek Roy
    4. Viktor Fasth
    5 Niki Nikitin (buyout)
    6. Anton Lander
    7. Frans Tuohimaa
    8. Ryan Hamilton
    9. Tyler Bunz
    10. Steve Pinizzotto
    11. Curtis Hamilton
    12. Jesse Joensuu

  70. fifthcartel says:

    One thing I’m confused about is the Perron trade clearly signals they are building for the future and not really concerned with winning right now, so why keep playing a Taylor Hall that clearly isn’t at 100%?

    If he’s injured then might as well just shut him down, let him rest or get whatever he needs to be back at 100% for next year, and then that also helps the case for McDavid/Eichel which they clearly value.

  71. blainer says:

    frjohnk: If he comes back to the NHL he is RFA.He has to play one more year in the NHL for UFA status

    Thanks for that. I like that third from Ottawa idea. We would have to sign him though and that may prove hard to do. I can see St Louis doing that trade though as what better way to pay him for bolting to the K than to trade him to the oil..

  72. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: So give up one of the best one’s in the NHL so he can go find another?

    I’m not buying it.

    There’s a strong case to be made that Gordon is the team’s MVP this year.

    There’s no reason for moving him.

    Even when MacT makes egregious errors you can parse his logic, but there’s no logic in selling Gordon.

    Sure there is. You have Boyd Gordon for one more season and that’s not going to be a playoff year. Proof? They just traded Perron for a draft pick and are hoping to get big value at the draft for it in a Gor D (Spec’s article).

    Will they? Hmmm. They were going to get Coburn one summer at the draft, didn’t happen. They were going to get Schneider one summer, didn’t happen.

    The Oilers need Boyd Gordon to get them into the playoffs next season like a fish needs a bicycle. It’s like watching a bucket fill with rain during a storm. Sooner or later the bucket fills up and tips over, and all of the water runs out.

    The Perron trade is the bucket tipping, the Gordon trade, the Petry trade, the Fasth trade, the Roy trade (out), the Klinkhammer trade (out), hell boys it’s all available. See something you like?

    Make an offer.

  73. misfit says:

    Woodguy: I’ve read that Klinkhammer’s a center in a few spots.

    I’m not sure why people think that’s the case.

    Kilinkhammer total faceoffs taken:

    14/15 – 2 (1 each for PIT and ARI)
    13/14 – 6
    12/13 – 2
    11/12 – 3

    He’s not a center.

    I know he’s been listed as a C (probably on NHL.com, but they seem to wrongly list Ws as Cs all the time). I know he hasnt played C in the NHL, but my only first hand knowledge of him as a player was during his time (with Gordon) in Phoenix. I always just figured he was a C who played wing on account of the line he was on. Much like how we use Hendricks (most of the time).

  74. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: On the 50 man list? Oh YEAH, I expect a few players to be gone:

    1. Nail Yakupov
    2. Jeff Petry
    3. Derek Roy
    4. Viktor Fasth
    5 Niki Nikitin (buyout)
    6. Anton Lander
    7. Frans Tuohimaa
    8. Ryan Hamilton
    9. Tyler Bunz
    10. Steve Pinizzotto
    11. Curtis Hamilton
    12. Jesse Joensuu

    Agree on all unless Lander shows something in this next 40 games ( If he gets them )

  75. Lowetide says:

    Hammers: Agree on all unless Lander shows something in this next 40 games ( If he gets them )

    The one reason I think Lander might have a future here is Todd Nelson. The Swede grew under Nelson’s tutelage and I’m guessing there’s a strong belief there by the coach.

    I hope so. Anton Lander didn’t screw up, the Oilers did. It would be nice if they could make it right for just one of these kids.

  76. Woodguy says:

    Mr DeBakey: No
    This got kicked around here the other day.
    I started it with some anti-Boychuk snark
    Some more thoughtful commenters pointed out that Boychuk will be on the wrong side of 30
    Sort of a new Khabibulin/Ference kinda deal

    Boychuck will be 31 this summer.

    Ference was 34 the day he signed a 4 year contract w/ NMC here.

    If you don’t give too much term Boychuck is a good option.

    Certainly doing well (when not hurt) this year for NYI

  77. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Sure there is. You have Boyd Gordon for one more season and that’s not going to be a playoff year. Proof? They just traded Perron for a draft pick and are hoping to get big value at the draft for it in a Gor D (Spec’s article).

    Will they? Hmmm. They were going to get Coburn one summer at the draft, didn’t happen. They were going to get Schneider one summer, didn’t happen.

    The Oilers need Boyd Gordon to get them into the playoffs next season like a fish needs a bicycle. It’s like watching a bucket fill with rain during a storm. Sooner or later the bucket fills up and tips over, and all of the water runs out.

    The Perron trade is the bucket tipping, the Gordon trade, the Petry trade, the Fasth trade, the Roy trade (out), the Klinkhammer trade (out), hell boys it’s all available. See something you like?

    Make an offer.

    This is all predicated on MacT not trying to make the playoffs next year.

    Yet you say he’ll pay big assets for goalie to try to make the playoffs.

    Your two narratives don’t match.

  78. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: The one reason I think Lander might have a future here is Todd Nelson. The Swede grew under Nelson’s tutelage and I’m guessing there’s a strong belief there by the coach.

    I hope so. Anton Lander didn’t screw up, the Oilers did. It would be nice if they could make it right for just one of these kids.

    Ain’t that the truth . You would think McT of all people would see what a waste the Lander pick became .Nelson gave him decent minutes last night .

  79. VanOil says:

    Sign Petry

    Trade Schultz to NYR for Marc Staal

    Have the stick optional Ference play #3 RD (where I recall Ricki’s #s had him at his best)

    Send Nurse to the AHL for 1.5 seasons

  80. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: This is all predicated on MacT not trying to make the playoffs next year.

    Yet you say he’ll pay big assets for goalie to try to make the playoffs.

    Your two narratives don’t match.

    I think MacT WILL try to add big assets and have no doubt they’ll spend a lot of them (and money) on a goalie. Will MacT succeed in trading the No. 26 pick and Martin Marincin for a useful top pairing D? Will he be able to ‘Halak’ a deal with Niemi?

    I’m not at all confident he will. I am however far more confident in his ability to find another Boyd Gordon. I think you’d be surprised at the return Edmonton would get for Gordon right now. It’s definitely a worthwhile conversation imo.

    If they don’t trade him? Great. I think the Oilers will work hard this summer to improve but playoffs? Man, McDavid would have to be VERY good.

  81. season not played says:

    It only takes a loose grip on reality to realize that the Oilers are probably at least five years and a complete reconstruct away from competing for a playoff spot. Whether or not that team includes members of this cluster remains to be seen, but a player like Perron was not helping this team win anything and to me looked painfully slow. You can blame his lack of production on alot of things but I think lack of foot speed was the main culprit and with his hip he may never regain the quickness required to be an effective scorer. I also think his reputation as an effective agitator was overblown. There are two RHS Dmen at the end of the first round, I suggest a serious look at them with the pick they have acquired.

    Anyway, they need real hockey managers to conduct this next rebuild. Once they know they have one of the first two picks secured, blow it up and build the team properly. Taylor Hall looks completely disinterested (seguin would have beat the goalie last night in OT on that two on one) and could probably fetch a piece or two for the future. Not sure anybody takes Eberle at that price tag but he should probably go too. Unfortunately they are likely going to let current management try and fix the mess they have made, again, so there will be years of talking top five pick in November and assets for draft pick trades in mid season.

  82. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I think MacT WILL try to add big assets and have no doubt they’ll spend a lot of them (and money) on a goalie. Will MacT succeed in trading the No. 26 pick and Martin Marincin for a useful top pairing D? Will he be able to ‘Halak’ a deal with Niemi?

    I’m not at all confident he will. I am however far more confident in his ability to find another Boyd Gordon. I think you’d be surprised at the return Edmonton would get for Gordon right now. It’s definitely a worthwhile conversation imo.

    If they don’t trade him? Great. I think the Oilers will work hard this summer to improve but playoffs? Man, McDavid would have to be VERY good.

    That makes more sense.

    I still don’t see them moving Gordon unless the offer is too good to pass up.

    I think MacT will try to make the playoffs next year.

    If he channels his inner Snow and actually adds 4 quality players at key positions, there’s a chance.

    One day the Oilers will win more games than they are supposed to because of their G instead of losing more than they should because of their G.

  83. Snowman says:

    There is no plan to make the playoffs next year. I would not be surprised if we enter the draft with a truckload of picks and half a roster. We now have a veteran center in nuge. Veteran wingers. Veteran d especially if they keep petry. The rebuild started with darnell and leon. It will continue with the center we draft with our first pick and we’ll grab a goalie in the summer. 3 years from now we might be ok if they get the picks right and we follow the darnell development path with everyone.

  84. LMHF#1 says:

    VanOil:

    Send Nurse to the AHL for 1.5 seasons

    Yeah…not if MacTavish is in charge. Combine “one of his” with the draft pedigree and this is Brad Hunt on Mega-roids. We’ll get to watch him chase the play and get scored on in the big leagues right off the bat.

  85. teddyturnbuckle says:

    The Oilers could get rid of half of their team and replace them with waiver pick ups and they would probably be a better team. Yak and Schultz would be the easiest to replace right now the way they are playing today. I don’t mind the Perron trade, he was a good player, liked his grit but he was more of the same in some regards as he played like an individual too many times. Lots of turn overs.

  86. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: I haven’t heard anything, but it makes sense. Gordon’s contract expires 2016 summer just like Perron.

    David Perron only made sense for the OIlers if they progressed further under Eakins after Krueger. But the OIlers went backwards, and then backwards again.

    Perron was unlikely to re-sign, and would cost too much to re-sign, and once Pouliot was signed, Perron’s fate was sealed.

    The late first round is extremely valuable as trade bait for elite teams dumping players this summer to fit under the cap (i.e. Chicago, St. Louis, New York)

    Chicago might be forced to dump one of Sharp or Hjallmarsson or Seabrook or Crawford. St. Louis, Oshie, Sobotka, Bergland.

    The Oilers, unlike Perron, can probably afford to pay Gordon a lot more than anybody else, since Nugent-Hopkins has a cap friendly number for a #1 centre, and Draisaitl and MacEichel will be on ELC’s, and Lander will be under $1 million. Other teams need to find cheaper guys to fill Gordon’s role.

  87. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Being last in the league means that you should probably put most of your resources into drafting. It sucks but its reality as the 30th placed team. Funny how MacT has changed his tune from his first press conference saying that the Oilers had tons of assets and the organization had to turn the dial towards the playoffs. Fast forward two years and wasted draft picks on crappy goaltending, MacT realizes he has to draft his way out of this problem because of multiply holes in his team.

  88. godot10 says:

    frjohnk: Johnny still has some good hockey left.

    Compared to Ference is not proper.

    At Ferences best he was not close to Johnny is right now.

    Ference signed here at 34.

    Johnny will be 31 this summer.

    Im not worried the first couple of years, I would be worried if its a 7 year deal.

    But Johnny WILL be looking for a 6-year deal at $5.5 million, which means it is another Ference contract. You can’t hamstring your team with a 6 year deal, when you are only getting two good years out of it.

    It is why it was silly not to show Petry the money at 26 last summer. He was just entering his prime. The contract always would have been tradeable.

  89. PeOiler says:

    It has been a pleasure watching Sprong and Chlapik this year in Charlottetown. Just a sin that a passport issue kept Sprong out of the WJC this year.

  90. belcolt91 says:

    I think the cap definitely played a factor in the Perron trade.

    MacT has Yak, Schultz, Petry (one can dream) to sign plus needed additions (G, possibly C, D if one of Petry/Niki bites it)..

    I would bet money and say it’s “who do we have on the roster, making a decent amount (Perron = 3.8), that we can get the best bang for our buck?”

    Considering it’s a useful, cheap role player, and 1st rounder in a deep draft (good trade bait), it tells me so.

    There’s quite a bit a money tied up front with the fowards, less now that Perron was flipped.

  91. godot10 says:

    blainer: I am also a big Sobotka fan but I think he may be a UFA this year. I’m not sure how that works as he bolted to the K in a RFA year. I believe he is 28 this year. If he is a UFA he will be the most sought after center on the market. Maybe LT knows more on that .

    Sobotka has a 1-year contract awarded in arbitration last year which St. Louis will not let him out of. He has to honour the year before he becomes a UFA.

  92. Zangetsu says:

    I was advocating a Perron trade last year when he had peaked. I don’t know if return was better then, since pittsburg is pretty desperate, but it might have been. Even if we finish last, we are more likely than not missing out on McDavid. Would love to have the guy, but being realistic here. If the NHL draft is rigged(have a feeling it is), they have to give us the son of David right? I mean one of the leagues largest markets is losing interest, and at a time when oil is dirt cheap.

    The team has regressed under MacT. I think now is the time to reset the organization and try to save the rebuild. Theres a lot of solid assets on this team. I agree with Eakins exit comments. We are where we are. Everything so far is a sunk cost. It hurts, but we have to refocus on the future (2-5 years) now. I don’t think MacT is the guy to lead us out though. We need to clear out management before we try to get back to laughingstock. Effing ridiculous.

    We aren’t making the playoffs next year barring something miraculous. This was year 5 by Lowe’s math (Nuge pick was end of year 1). Even by that standard we failed miserably. Perron trade is a complete step backwards. If petry is gone, we will have worst D in the league for at least 2 more years. I doubt we see a big deal that doesn’t include Hall at this point. Too much of the cluster isn’t ready yet. Trading the first for an actual NHL player sounds great, but how long before Draisaitl, Nurse, Yak, Klef, Marincin, etc are ready. 1 year in some cases is possible, but I would say at least 2 for most.

    I like what Nelson has done, but we need more time to even start assessing him.

    Bob Green built a good oil kings team, mostly owing to the depth pick of Cole Benson, but it’s much different scouting.

    These are dark days friends.

  93. oliveoilers says:

    belcolt91:
    I think the cap definitely played a factor in the Perron trade.

    MacT has Yak, Schultz, Petry (one can dream) to sign plus needed additions (G, possibly C, D if one of Petry/Niki bites it)..

    I would bet money and say it’s “who do we have on the roster, making a decent amount (Perron = 3.8), that we can get the best bang for our buck?”

    Considering it’s a useful, cheap role player, and 1st rounder in a deep draft (good trade bait), it tells me so.

    There’s quite a bit a money tied up front with the fowards, less now that Perron was flipped.

    But this is the thing; it’s only a good trade if it’s for the reasons you state. What on Gord’s green Earth leads you to believe they will do any of these things? Where is the evidence, based on previous behaviour, that the Oiler’s decision making process is correct in this line of thinking?

    Or did MacT trade him because his sideburns grew too long?

  94. Hammers says:

    Maybe the so called pro scouts can find a gem in the AHL to recommend to management . We always seem to get the Tueberts not the slam dunk .if Petry gets traded hopefully it’s a player plus a 2nd or even a 3rd if it’s the right guy .

  95. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The things about moving Gordon that might appeal to the Oilers are the following:

    1. help land McEichel
    2. Free Cap Space (MacT might see a player–Vermette?–that 3M could help cover)
    3. More assets in a deep draft year
    4. More assets for trade (flip whatever picks are acquired)
    5. Age. Gordon next contract will be his 33 year old season… how long can he perform like this?
    6. They may have a sense he won’t re-sign and/or they can’t compete next year regardless.

    I think you can take any of those (esp. combined) and see some logic to moving Gordon. Now, seeing the logic of a move and saying a move is a good one are different matters and depend a lot on one’s POV.

  96. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Almost forgot:

    7. MacT has publicly mentioned a couple of times that he promised Gordon the Oilers would be competitive during the course of his contract. It’s entirely possibly MacT can’t sweet talk his way out of failure here. Gordon may want out and MacT seems like a guy that tries to accommodate people’s reasonable desires.

  97. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Isn’t Vermette 33 this year?

    MOAR draft picks!

    Agree on the POV thing. Only trouble is, it’s MacT’s POV that counts, and that swings wildly from quite reasonable to bat-shit crazy.

  98. Zangetsu says:

    Also want to throw out there that I prefer first year MacT to this year. Draft in 13 was smart with decent picks. Draft in 14 was asinine most of the time. This year MacT was much more stubborn, made poorer bets, we know the story. I do blame pro scouting for most of the oilers problems. Amateur scouting always seemed like it was doing a decent job, but other people were pulling the trigger. For example, Marincin was a scout pick, while Moroz seems more of an org pick. Last time I felt the oilers didn’t lose a trade was perron. Before or after that was probably…? Roloson most likely. From Nick Shultz to Kale Kesey, the oilers have dumped assets bad to no return. Now the Perron deal is basically Paajarvi and Barbarshev (high second) for a low first. Also keeping in mind B was probably top 10 calibre.

    We almost have to shift the core again. It sucks to say, but Hall Eberle might be too expensive by the time we can compete. That is a legit concern now.

  99. SwedishPoster says:

    Woodguy:
    SwedishPoster,

    This chart is a year old, but at this time he was clearly better in terms of goals for on the left side:

    https://twitter.com/mparkatti/status/418928048298143744

    Mike has different number than you the first two years, and I trust Mike’s numbers.

    NOTE: Mike’s EG number is “expected goals” not actual goals.

    Your data might be right.

    He’s still a zone exit disaster on the right side (like the wonderful blind back hand last night)

    I don’t think its close.

    The numbers should be fairly accurate unless the lineups are incorrect, but I checked with two different sources.

    Then the question is, why doesn’t the expected goals leads to actual goals? Why doesn’t the corsi lead to more goals? His own sog seems to be pretty much the same on either side but it doesn’t lead to as many goals which is in line with what I see on the ice, his most dangerous shots are usually when he comes down the right side.

    Imo goals are far trickier and more crucial than zone exits so if him being on the RW leads to him scoring more but having worse zone exits its a trade I’m willing to make. Especially since his bad zone exits don’t seem to lead to more goals against, it’s actually the other way around from these numbers. I also find it hard to believe that it’s impossible to teach a first overall how to exit the zone in a decent fashion. It’s not like his zone exits on the left are all that great, it’s usually a flip into the neutral zone that leads straight to lost possession.

    I’ll check up on it, but wasn’t his corsi better at the start of this season btw? When he played RW. I’ll try and check it out if I can find the time tonight, my fiance has me cooking.

  100. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Isn’t Vermette 33 this year?

    MOAR draft picks!

    Agree on the POV thing.Only trouble is, it’s MacT’s POV that counts, and that swings wildly from quite reasonable to bat-shit crazy.

    Yes. He is.

    BUT. the idea of a Vermette is the following:

    Short term deal, probably highish FA $, for a scoring center to play behind RNH (i.e., what MacT needed to land this year).

    That insulates Drai and McEichel from a lot of tough stuff.

    The idea of a Gordon is completely different. 4th line C to play in deep water and hold his head above water.

    Completely different talents with a sense that playmaking has a longer shelf-life than breaking out of Shawshank.

  101. oliveoilers says:

    Zangetsu,

    “Now the Perron deal is basically Paajarvi and Barbarshev (high second) for a low first.”

    No, it’s basically Paajarvi (high first), Barbarshev (high second) and Perron (legit NHL top 6 winger) for a 4th line winger and a low first.

    When broken down like that, I’m going to need a lot more snickers.

  102. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Yes. He is.

    BUT. the idea of a Vermette is the following:

    Short term deal, probably highish FA $, for a scoring center to play behind RNH (i.e., what MacT needed to land this year).

    That insulates Drai and McEichel from a lot of tough stuff.

    The idea of a Gordon is completely different. 4th line C to play in deep water and hold his head above water.

    Completely different talents with a sense that playmaking has a longer shelf-life than breaking out of Shawshank.

    Okay then, so Drai or McEichel or Lander with one of the previous on the wing or in junior (which isn’t going to happen) takes Gordon’s place next year? As you said, different skill sets. Drai can’t do it yet, as we’ve seen so far. It’s looking like Lander would have to significantly change his game to do it so throw McEichel to the wolves or entice a 33yr old Vermette for $6mill per (figure from a rumour WG heard the other day, Vermette also wants term) to play 4th line heavy lifting for the worst team in the league. If I’m paying anybody to do Gordon’s job, I’d like it to be Gordon.

    Who’d have thought? A potential log jam at center! Muzak!

  103. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers: Okay then, so Drai or McEichel or Lander with one of the previous on the wing or in junior (which isn’t going to happen) takes Gordon’s place next year?As you said, different skill sets.Drai can’t do it yet, as we’ve seen so far.It’s looking like Lander would have to significantly change his game to do it so throw McEichel to the wolves or entice a 33yr old Vermette for $6mill per (figure from a rumour WG heard the other day, Vermette also wants term) to play 4th line heavy lifting for the worst team in the league.If I’m paying anybody to do Gordon’s job, I’d like it to be Gordon.

    Who’d have thought?A potential log jam at center!Muzak!

    I’m not sure you read me right here.

    Why would Vermette take on Gordon’s role and why couldn’t MacT replace Gordon externally?

    And, just so we’re clear Vermette = “Vermette”

  104. frjohnk says:

    oliveoilers:
    Zangetsu,

    “Now the Perron deal is basically Paajarvi and Barbarshev (high second) for a low first.”

    No, it’s basically Paajarvi (high first), Barbarshev (high second) and Perron (legit NHL top 6 winger) for a 4th line winger and a low first.

    When broken down like that, I’m going to need a lot more snickers.

    For me its

    Package A
    Paajarvi ( between 350th and 400th best forward in the league, don’t believe me, ask the 29 teams that let him pass through waivers)
    Barbarshev ( could be a player)

    Package B
    David Perron ( 1.5 years of a mid six forward, top 6 if he can rebound to last year)

    Package C
    Rob Klinkhammer ( .5 years of a 4th line forward)
    Late first round pick ( could be a player)

    This and next year package B is the best package

    After that time frame package b is the worst if perron does not sign and it looks like package A is best, but its close and package C could be the wild card.

  105. oliveoilers says:

    Whatever happened to the ‘Get Good Players, Keep Good Players*’ meme that used to be bandied about with such gay abandon on this blog? (I mean in the happy sense!)

    Is there a caveat? *Unless we can get late first round to early second round draft picks or grinding role players.

  106. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    Klinkhammer

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8473970

    Never really scored at any level, save for one year with the Sen’s AHL team.

    Well he’s pretty big, and has a great hockey name.

    Bye David – Hello McDavid.

  107. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    oliveoilers: Whatever happened to the ‘Get Good Players, Keep Good Players*’ meme that used to be bandied about with such gay abandon on this blog?

    Simple. I don’t think KLowe is a big fan of this blog.

  108. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers:
    Whatever happened to the ‘Get Good Players, Keep Good Players*’ meme that used to be bandied about with such gay abandon on this blog?(I mean in the happy sense!)

    Is there a caveat?*Unless we can get late first round to early second round draft picks or grinding role players.

    Maybe we’re all reading wrong… but I don’t see any great explosion of “trade everything for futures” on the blog today or any other day.

  109. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I’m not sure you read me right here.

    Why would Vermette take on Gordon’s role and why couldn’t MacT replace Gordon externally?

    And, just so we’re clear Vermette = “Vermette”

    I not sure I read you right either. But please give my response some thought particularly about the number of centers and where they would fit.

    “why couldn’t MacT replace Gordon externally?” What leads you to think he can, or should? We have him already. The only way he should be allowed to go is if he asks for a trade or $5mill per.

    Not sure about the “Vermette = Vermette” barb. Let’s just say I’m a little slow on the uptake, but I don’t get it. Can you clarify? Hope I didn’t offend.

  110. Unicorns says:

    If they drop biases and take out players not competing at an NHL level I think a pretty good team can be made without any Satheresque trading. Even better if they have the courage to ask Ference to move or buy him out. He is not part of the future and for my taste has too much to say for a guy who hasn’t played well. I doubt that’s a big hit with the younger guys.

    FORWARDS
    Taylor Hall ($6.000m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6.000m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m) = 18M

    Leon Draisaitl ($0.925m) / Boyd Gordon ($3.000m) / Nail Yakupov ($4.250m) = 8.175M

    Benoit Pouliot ($4.000m) / C McEichel ($0.925m) / Teddy Purcell ($4.500m) = 9.425M

    Matt Hendricks ($1.850m) / Anton Lander ($0.800m) / Rob Klinkhammer ($0.700m) = 3.35M

    Tyler Pitlick ($0.800m) / Iiro Pakarinen ($0.818m) or whomever = 1.618M

    DEFENSEMEN
    Andrej Sekera ($3.500m) / Jeff Petry ($4.250m) = 7.75M

    Oscar Klefbom ($0.894m) / Mark Fayne ($3.625m) = 4.519M

    Andrew Ference ($3.250m) / Justin Schultz ($4.000m) = 7.25M
    Keith Aulie ($0.840m) /

    GOALTENDERS
    Ben Scrivens ($2.300m)
    Michal Neuvirth ($2.750m) = 5.05M

    BUYOUTS
    Nikita Nikitin ($1.500m)
    BONUS OVERAGE
    $0
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2015-16)
    SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,476,667; BONUSES: $2,932,500
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,523,333

    Lander isn’t going to score much but Gordon will score more. Lander will do better than before still because Hendricks and Klinkhammer are legit NHL hockey players. Cross the fingers in goal but I don’t know what A grade bona fide NHL goalie is available to be had heading into his prime, and other than that it we know it isn’t worth the gamble or the money.

  111. oliveoilers says:

    I will leave you fine people and stop hogging the thread! The honey dew list isn’t getting smaller and it’s bastard cold out. Hope you all have a good day, look forward to catching up on the thread later!

  112. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers: I not sure I read you right either. But please give my response some thought particularly about the number of centers and where they would fit.

    haha. Yes. I haven’t made an effort to follow your post, but please redouble your efforts to read mine!

    ok, then.

    oliveoilers: Okay then, so Drai or McEichel or Lander with one of the previous on the wing or in junior (which isn’t going to happen) takes Gordon’s place next year?

    Not sure where you are getting these assumptions from. Literally none of them follow from my post.

    One at a time: Drai could be anywhere in the top nine or in the AHL. Regardless where, he isn’t in the RNH or Vermette slots (1 or 2 C) as per my post.

    And, I can think of no reason to ever put him at 4C, nor did I ever suggest doing so.

    McEichel could be anywhere in the top 9 or back in junior. Regardless where, he isn’t in the RNH or Vermette slots (1 or 2 C) as per my post.

    And, I can think of no reason to ever put him at 4C, nor did I ever suggest doing so.

    Lander will either be competing for a 4th line role (C or W) or a utility forward, or an AHL job, or out of the organization.

    He could potentially take on Gordon’s role in the org’s eyes. I doubt it though, unless Nelson is extremely high on him.

    ———–

    oliveoilers: As you said, different skill sets.

    Ok you read that part… which makes it all the more curious you still think all these folks are competing for Gordon’s spot. bizarre.

    ———-

    oliveoilers: or entice a 33yr old Vermette for $6mill per (figure from a rumour WG heard the other day, Vermette also wants term) to play 4th line heavy lifting for the worst team in the league. If I’m paying anybody to do Gordon’s job, I’d like it to be Gordon.

    Again, what?!

    Why would you hire Vermette to play 2C and then even let this bizarre business about Gordon play any role?

    what?!

    oliveoilers: “why couldn’t MacT replace Gordon externally?” What leads you to think he can, or should?

    Free agency and trade remain options in the NHL. It would be absurd to assume a GM wouldn’t consider them to replace a depth forward.

    oliveoilers: Not sure about the “Vermette = Vermette” barb. Let’s just say I’m a little slow on the uptake, but I don’t get it. Can you clarify? Hope I didn’t offend.

    It’s not a barb, it’s a clarification, i.e., we aren’t talking about Vermette the player, we are talking about a theoretical 2C and using “Vermette” as a “ready-to-hand” stand in for that player. It could be any number of alternatives.

    No offence taken. Not sure why any should have been.

  113. spoiler says:

    If Gordon is being traded, I only see a few replacements of his level available as UFAs this summer:

    Mike Fisher
    Jarret Stoll
    Kyle Brodziak

    Now you might want to add Horcoff and Cullen to this list, but they’re both on the wrong side of 36,

    Stoll and Fisher are married to their locations so not coming here.

    That leaves Brodziak, who is the youngest on this list, but also might not be as good as Gordon (if he is, I think Minnie would be re-signing him).

    So trading Gordon is dangerous from a replacement POV. However if he wants out, what the hell else are you going to do?

  114. Younger Oil says:

    Personally, I really don’t think that the pick we got for Perron is going to be traded. There are a multitude of reasons for it:

    1. If Bob Green does become the scouting director, they are going to want to give him as many bullets as possible to see what he’s got.
    2. This is the deepest draft in over a decade.
    3. They only had one pick in the top 90 last year.
    4. MacT’s previous endeavors of trading picks for players hasn’t really worked out, with Scrivens and Fasth struggling, and Perron wanting out of town.

    For these reasons, I don’t think they trade the pick. If they do, I think it will be replicating the 2013 draft, where they turn the pick into 3-5 picks in the top 100-120.

    Also, I think if MacT claimed Paajarvi off of waivers, we’d be singing his praises, and viewing the overall trade as “1.5 seasons of a struggling Paajarvi and Barbashev for 1.5 seasons of Perron in his prime, a 1st round pick in the deepest draft in a decade, and a depth winger that can possibly round out the best shutdown line in the league”. However, since Paajarvi has been struggling, and every other team passed on him as well, passing on him was probably a very good decision.

  115. Woodguy says:

    SwedishPoster: The numbers should be fairly accurate unless the lineups are incorrect, but I checked with two different sources.

    Then the question is, why doesn’t the expected goals leads to actual goals? Why doesn’t the corsi lead to more goals? His own sog seems to be pretty much the same on either side but it doesn’t lead to as many goals which is in line with what I see on the ice, his most dangerous shots are usually when he comes down the right side.

    Imo goals are far trickier and more crucial than zone exits so if him being on the RW leads to him scoring more but having worse zone exits its a trade I’m willing to make. Especially since his bad zone exits don’t seem to lead to more goals against, it’s actually the other way around from these numbers. I also find it hard to believe that it’s impossible to teach a first overall how to exit the zone in a decent fashion. It’s not like his zone exits on the left are all that great, it’s usually a flip into the neutral zone that leads straight to lost possession.

    I’ll check up on it, but wasn’t his corsi better at the start of this season btw? When he played RW. I’ll try and check it out if I can find the time tonight, my fiance has me cooking.

    I think there are two different dynamics at work.

    1) Yak’s corsi is awful on RW and this leads to less Expect Goals For (for everyone on the ice) because they can’t get the puck to the opposition’s end with possession.

    2) Yak himself scores more from the RW in the offensive zone

    I’d much rather Yak figure out how to score from the LW in ozone than never get there with him on RW.

    The other thing is once the puck is in the ozone forwards move all over the place based on the play and where the puck is, support etc.

    Yak isn’t tied to the left side in the ozone.

    He needs to figure it out.

  116. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers: I not sure I read you right either. But please give my response some thought particularly about the number of centers and where they would fit.

    haha. Yes. I haven’t made an effort to follow your post, but please redouble your efforts to read mine!

    ok, then.

    oliveoilers: Okay then, so Drai or McEichel or Lander with one of the previous on the wing or in junior (which isn’t going to happen) takes Gordon’s place next year?

    Not sure where you are getting these assumptions from. Literally none of them follow from my post.

    One at a time: Drai could be anywhere in the top nine or in the AHL. Regardless where, he isn’t in the RNH or Vermette slots (1 or 2 C) as per my post.

    And, I can think of no reason to ever put him at 4C, nor did I ever suggest doing so.

    McEichel could be anywhere in the top 9 or back in junior. Regardless where, he isn’t in the RNH or Vermette slots (1 or 2 C) as per my post.

    And, I can think of no reason to ever put him at 4C, nor did I ever suggest doing so.

    Lander will either be competing for a 4th line role (C or W) or a utility forward, or an AHL job, or out of the organization.

    He could potentially take on Gordon’s role in the org’s eyes. I doubt it though, unless Nelson is extremely high on him.

    ———–

    oliveoilers: As you said, different skill sets.

    Ok you read that part… which makes it all the more curious you still think all these folks are competing for Gordon’s spot. bizarre.

  117. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers: or entice a 33yr old Vermette for $6mill per (figure from a rumour WG heard the other day, Vermette also wants term) to play 4th line heavy lifting for the worst team in the league. If I’m paying anybody to do Gordon’s job, I’d like it to be Gordon.

    Again, what?!

    Why would you hire Vermette to play 2C and then even let this bizarre business about Gordon play any role?

    what?!

    oliveoilers: “why couldn’t MacT replace Gordon externally?” What leads you to think he can, or should?

    Free agency and trade remain options in the NHL. It would be absurd to assume a GM wouldn’t consider them to replace a depth forward.

    oliveoilers: Not sure about the “Vermette = Vermette” barb. Let’s just say I’m a little slow on the uptake, but I don’t get it. Can you clarify? Hope I didn’t offend.

    It’s not a barb, it’s a clarification, i.e., we aren’t talking about Vermette the player, we are talking about a theoretical 2C and using “Vermette” as a “ready-to-hand” stand in for that player. It could be any number of alternatives.

    No offence taken. Not sure why any should have been.

  118. sliderule says:

    spoiler,

    When I hear that Hall wants out my ears perk up.

    When I hear Gordon wants out I say .Who cares.The guy wins face offs .The end!

    If Hall wants out you would get full value for him.

    Think of Blue Jackets and Nash.

    They are a better team with the players they traded him for.

  119. rickithebear says:

    Lowetide: On the 50 man list? Oh YEAH, I expect a few players to be gone:
    1. Nail Yakupov
    2. Jeff Petry
    3. Derek Roy
    4. Viktor Fasth
    5 Niki Nikitin (buyout)
    6. Anton Lander
    7. Frans Tuohimaa
    8. Ryan Hamilton
    9. Tyler Bunz
    10. Steve Pinizzotto
    11. XXXXXXXXXXX
    12. Jesse Joensuu

    C. Hamilton had a steady position from Oct 24 to dec 21
    He played 10 gm with acton/williams/Khaira
    0G 1EVA Even

    7 gm with Yakimov
    2EVG 4EVA +3

    8GM with Lander
    3EVG 5EVA +3

    with the 2 legitimate AHL centers
    NHLE 13 EVG 23 EVA 36EVP

  120. frjohnk says:

    Goalie trades since 2010

    Devan Dubnyk for future considerations

    Jaraslav Halak, 3rd round pick for Micheal Nievirth, Rostislav Klesa

    Reto Bearra for a 2nd round pick

    Roberto Luongo, Steve Anthony for Jacob Markstrom, Shawn Mattais

    Viktor Fasth for a 3rd round pick and a 5th round pick

    Illya Bryzgalov for a 4th round pick

    Ryan Miller, Steve Ott for Jaraslav Halak, Chris Stewart, William Carrier, 2015 1st round pick, 2016 3rd round pick

    Ben Scrivens for a third rounder

    Devan Dubnyk to Nashville for Matt Hendricks

    Cory Schneider for the ninth overall pick (Bo Horvat)

    Jonathan Bernier for Ben Scrivens, Matt Frattin, second-rounder

    Ben Bishop for Cory Conacher, fourth-rounder

    Steve Mason for Michael Leighton, third-rounder

    Sergei Bobrovsky for second-rounder, two fourth-rounders

    Anders Lindback (and Kyle Wilson) for two second-rounders, one third-rounder and Sebastien Caron

    Tomas Vokoun for a seventh-rounder

    Semyon Varlamov for first-rounder (Filip Forsberg) and second-rounder

    Brian Elliott for Craig Anderson

    Dwayne Roloson for Ty Wishart

    Jaroslav Halak for Lars Eller and Ian Schultz

    Kari Lehtonen for Ivan Vishnevskiy and fourth-rounder

  121. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Mr. McCurdy, I replied to your comment on the last thread, but just in case

    In the full 82 game seasons over the past 5 years, the Oilers have received the following save percentages from their goaltenders:
    2013-2014: .904
    2011-2012: .912
    2010-2011: .903
    2009-2010: .900

    So yes, I’d take .915 please.
    Smaller sample sizes
    2014-2015: .892
    2012-2013: .920 (48 game schedule)

  122. SwedishPoster says:

    Woodguy,

    I actually agree with that conclusion.

    The question is which part is easier to figure out, getting into good positions in the offensive zone or getting out of the defensive zone from the respective wing?

    Did a quick check on corsi this season so far and his CF% on RW is 47,5 and on LW 47 if war on ice numbers are correct. His CF%Rel is -4,4 as a RW and -1,2 as a LW so a little worse. It’s early goings but the difference this season at least isn’t crazy.

  123. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Isn’t Vermette asking for $6m per x 4 years? Even if he winds up with less from elsewhere because he can’t get that much, why would she come to the Oilers for one penny or one year less?

    Just wondering.

  124. Bruce McCurdy says:

    oliveoilers:
    Zangetsu,

    “Now the Perron deal is basically Paajarvi and Barbarshev (high second) for a low first.”

    No, it’s basically Paajarvi (high first), Barbarshev (high second) and Perron (legit NHL top 6 winger) for a 4th line winger and a low first.

    When broken down like that, I’m going to need a lot more snickers.

    So you are going to include BOTH sides of the original deal as the cost of getting the 1st & Klinkhammer?

    Sorry, it doesn’t work like that.

    Extend that logic a little, and Oilers traded Messier, Rice, Marchment, Hamrlik, Brewer, Pronger, Lupul, Pitkanen AND Cole for Patrick O’Sullivan! 😉

    Hey, pass me those Snickers, wouldja?

  125. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Any update on Neon Leon? Anyone? Bueller? Are they going to send him down?

  126. And your name is? says:

    Snowman:
    There is no plan to make the playoffs next year.

    Should there be? Or is it more reasonable (and realistic) to posit that a 70-point season precedes an 80-point season?

    And, yes, I knew this and chose to ignore it when I picked 87 points in Hunter’s sanity assessment pool.

    1. Goalies
    2. Nikitin
    3. Yakupov
    4. Ramsay has not helped Jultz settle down in the defensive zone
    5. Bad puck luck / city-wide negativity spiral
    6. No late-fall on-the-fly upgrade at C as 1–5 became apparent
    7. Eakins’ PP acute urinary retention
    8. Hall’s soreness / leadership failure (i.e. escalation of demoralizing errors)
    9. Team-wide negativity spiral
    10. Still Disastertown Lifetime Achievement Award (advanced presentation, canvassing halted halfway through first straw poll)

    Excepting all that—and if the top three items each cost us four point in the standings, and the other seven items cost us two points each—my prediction was just about perfect.

    ———

    Bus Boy #4: “We humbly accept the SDLAA and look forward to our imminent opposite George.”

    Meanwhile, the other Bus Boys are passing the SDLAA trophy around inspecting the trophy base with great interest.

    Bus Boy #4: [Whispered] “Guys, check out that big red Monkey-Be-Gone button!”

    Bus Boy #16: “Is it a one-shot action, or pump to inflate?”

    Bus Boy #14—last to receive it—takes a quick look, then passes it back to Bus Boy #4.

    Bob Nippersoon: “Guys! Don’t you know? The red button is just a big joke. Whatever you do, don’t press it while we’re still on stage!”

    Thus informed, Bus Boy #14 astutely perceives the danger of the situation and reaches out to nerve pinch Bus Boy #4 on the left shoulder, but he’s a split second too late—the cadmium Cadbury figurine has already dropped his pants, mooned over, and is noisily deflating with all the charm of a suppurating prophylactic.

    Bus Boy #14’s right sleeve begins to smolder. Bob and BB#4 quickly step away in alarm.

    BB#14 pays no attention to his smoldering sleeve, but flips over the trophy base in the hope that the deflated figurine still has enough cerebral slime to eat twenty rounds of speed-bag knuckle sandwich, but the deflated figurine’s metallic exo-folliation dangles there in limp, scrotish clumps resembling the ocean-floor detritus of balloon-animal lobster freshly molted.

    Bob Nippersoon: [Increasingly concerned about the banana–turpentine aroma wafting up from the smoldering sleeve-ooze.] “Nobody light a match!”

    Bob needn’t have worried about matches: already in the assembly hall, hundreds of cigarette lighters have been thrust overhead with a raucous thumbwheel chorus.

    Bus Boy #14: “Hey, #4, turn it back upright and press the button again—maybe the effect is fully reversible!”

    Bob Nippersoon: [Incredulous.] “Really? You think so?”

    Bus Boy #14: [Still backing away.] “No, not really. Actually, I’m scanning the exits for the Bond girl. If she doesn’t make an appearance any minute now, I’m fresh out of gizmo solutions.”

  127. gogliano says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Any update on Neon Leon? Anyone? Bueller? Are they going to send him down?

    And when is the exact deadline for keeping the RFA year? I can take the losing but if they lose the RFA year by legal error I swear I’m out.

  128. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Any update on Neon Leon? Anyone? Bueller? Are they going to send him down?

    the hub-bub is they are waiting until after the Ger-SUI game tonight

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-expected-to-send-draisaitl-back-to-whl/

    “The Raiders are believed to be ready to announce Draisaitl’s trade to Kelowna. Swiss import Kris Schmidli — who scored for the Swiss at the IIHF World Junior Championship on Tuesday — and a high draft pick are expected to go back to Prince Albert.

    The Canadian Hockey League trade deadline is January 10. Any trade involving Schmidli, however, can not be announced until Switzerland is eliminated from the World Junior tournament. That could be as early as Friday or Saturday, depending on the Swiss team’s performance.”

  129. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gogliano: And when is the exact deadline for keeping the RFA year?I can take the losing but if they lose the RFA year by legal error I swear I’m out.

    AFAIK the deadline is being on the roster for the 40th NHL game (whether he plays or not).

    They have to send him down sometime before Sunday’s game.

  130. Gret99zky says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Any update on Neon Leon? Anyone? Bueller? Are they going to send him down?

    It would be nice if they get this right.

    And on time.

  131. Gret99zky says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: AFAIK the deadline is being on the roster for the 40th NHL game (whether he plays or not).

    They have to send him down sometime before Sunday’s game.

    Before the day of the 40th game is my understanding. Tick-tock.

  132. wheatnoil says:

    Gret99zky: Before the day of the 40th game is my understanding.Tick-tock.

    The quote from the CBA in regards to “accrued season” is as follows (from the CBA linked from the NHLPA website):

    “Accrued Season” means any League Year during which a Player was on a
    Club’s Active Roster for 40 (30 if the Player is a goalie) or more Regular Season Games,
    provided that, for the purposes of calculating an Accrued Season under this Agreement, games
    missed due to a hockey-related injury incurred while on a Club’s Active Roster shall count as
    games played for purposes of calculating an Accrued Season but only during the League Year in
    which the injury was incurred and a maximum of one additional season.

    That leaves the question a little up in the air. It does explain why he wasn’t played in the last game though (Nelson described it as a “management decision” in his pre-game interview). If he suffered a hockey-related injury, he’d still be considered to be on their active roster.

  133. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    From another part of Spector’s article it is implied today is the deadline, not tomorrow before the game. Is that right?

    “Complicating matters is the Saturday deadline faced by Edmonton.

    Should Draisaitl be on the Oiler roster as of Sunday, when Edmonton plays game No. 40 on its schedule, this season will count as Draisaitl’s first “Accrued Season” under the terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. After seven “Accrued Seasons” a player becomes eligible for unrestricted free agency.

    If Draisaitl is returned to junior after having spent only 39 games on an NHL roster — by end of day Saturday — Draisaitl’s next NHL season will be his first, when it comes to “Accrued Seasons” for free agency.”

  134. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    wheatnoil: The quote from the CBA in regards to “accrued season” is as follows (from the CBA linked from the NHLPA website):

    “Accrued Season” means any League Year during which a Player was on a
    Club’s Active Roster for 40 (30 if the Player is a goalie) or more Regular Season Games,
    provided that, for the purposes of calculating an Accrued Season under this Agreement, games
    missed due to a hockey-related injury incurred while on a Club’s Active Roster shall count as
    games played for purposes of calculating an Accrued Season but only during the League Year in
    which the injury was incurred and a maximum of one additional season.

    That leaves the question a little up in the air. It does explain why he wasn’t played in the last game though (Nelson described it as a “management decision” in his pre-game interview. If he suffered a hockey-related injury, he’d still be considered to be on their active roster.

    “hockey related injury” is curious phrasing.

    So, getting the Mumps or Mono doesn’t count?

    Or, if you break your ankle playing soccer in a pre-game warmup?

  135. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    And if Germany wins tonight, the relegation best of 3 goes to a third, deciding game. Umm.

  136. rickithebear says:

    All this trade talk.

    Go and see who is much better and not GD wise since Nelson.
    Hall 8GM 2G 3A -1
    RNH 8GM 4G 1A +1
    Eberle 8GM 1G 3A E
    Gordon 7Gm 1G even
    Hendricks 7gm 1G 2A +2
    M Fraser 3gm 1G Even
    ROY 3Gm 1A -1
    ————————————–
    PURCELL 8gm 1G 2A -3
    last 3gm 0-0 -2
    Draisatl 6gm 2A -3
    PITLICK7gm 0g 0A -6
    YAKUPOV 8gm 1G 1A -7
    last 3gm 1A -2

    Pouliot 21gm
    first 4gm of season 2A -4
    last 17gm 4G 3A +1

    Fayne 8gm 0-0 -6
    last 3gm even
    Ference 8gm 1G 2A +1
    last 3gm 1G +2
    Klefbom 7gm 1A -6
    last 3gm 1A even
    NIKITIN 2gm 0-0 -2
    PETRY 8gm 2A -4
    last 3gm 0-0 -1
    Schultz 8gm 1G 4A Even
    Last 3gm 1A -1

  137. wheatnoil says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    From another part of Spector’s article it is implied today is the deadline, not tomorrow before the game. Is that right?

    “Complicating matters is the Saturday deadline faced by Edmonton.

    Should Draisaitl be on the Oiler roster as of Sunday, when Edmonton plays game No. 40 on its schedule, this season will count as Draisaitl’s first “Accrued Season” under the terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. After seven “Accrued Seasons” a player becomes eligible for unrestricted free agency.

    If Draisaitl is returned to junior after having spent only 39 games on an NHL roster — by end of day Saturday — Draisaitl’s next NHL season will be his first, when it comes to “Accrued Seasons” for free agency.”

    Interesting… it’s all very confusing. I imagine he’ll be assigned tonight to make it simple, but this is the Oilers so…

    I don’t know if this relates to the whole “accrued season” thing, but it appears there’s a 5pm EST deadline in regards to whether a players gets paid for that day…

    50.9 (a) (i) For any Player who is on a Club’s Active Roster, Injured Reserve, Injured
    Non-Roster or Non-Roster pursuant to an approved and registered SPC at
    5:00 p.m. New York time on a particular day during a League Year, such
    Player shall receive his Player Salary and Bonuses for that day, and such
    Player Salary and Bonuses shall be included in the calculation of the
    Club’s Actual Club Salary and Averaged Club Salary for that day.

    (iii) Any Player who is not on a Club’s Active Roster, Injured Reserve, Injured
    Non-Roster or Non-Roster pursuant to an approved and registered SPC at
    5:00 p.m. New York time on a particular day during a League Year shall
    be ineligible to play for such Club on that day, and such Player shall be
    ineligible to receive Player Salary and Bonuses from that Club for that
    day.

    (iv) Notwithstanding subparagraphs (i) through (iii) above, in the event that a
    Player practices or travels with an NHL Club or plays in an NHL game
    with a Club prior to 5:00 p.m. New York time on a particular day during a
    League Year, and is subsequently removed from such Club’s Active
    Roster on that day (e.g., sent down to the minor leagues), such Player shall
    receive his Player Salary and Bonuses for that day, and such Player Salary
    and Bonuses shall be included in the Club’s Actual Club Salary and
    Averaged Club Salary for that day.

    So if practices or travels with the team tomorrow, he gets paid for tomorrow and that may be enough for an accrued season. That said, I’m not a CBA expert and I’m totally in speculation mode here.

    He’ll probably be assigned as soon as I post this.

  138. wheatnoil says:

    Thanks to everyone who has reached out to me and wished me well. Still stuck in the hospital but starting to feel a lot better.— Tyler Pitlick (@Pitty687) January 3, 2015

    Poor Pitlick. When it comes to injuries, there’s good luck, there’s bad luck… and then there’s Pitlick’s luck… Pitluck?

    I hope he gets well soon!

  139. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    I don’t really get the waiting for the Swiss player to be eliminated bit. He doesn’t have to be eliminated to be traded, surely? What if Germany wins tonight?

    So, why haven’t they announced the trade and sent him down yet? No reason to cut it close like this.

  140. wheatnoil says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    I don’t really get the waiting for the Swiss player to be eliminated bit. He doesn’t have to be eliminated to be traded, surely? What if Germany wins tonight?

    So, why haven’t they announced the trade and sent him down yet? No reason to cut it close like this.

    This is the team that decided to have two head coaches for a few games. Why do something simple when you could do something Oilers?

    Edit: There’s probably some rule about trading a player while away at an international tournament, but I just don’t know it.

  141. hunter1909 says:

    Perron showed the impressionable Hall and his friends exactly how to get a “Get Out of Oilers Jail Free Card”.

  142. hunter1909 says:

    How are they playing? I can’t see them taking more than half the remaining games for Toddtherealheadcoachnelson to have them playing exactly how they should be playing.

    Future News Flash: Todd Nelson, let go at the end of the season by The Edmonton Oilers holds no ill will for his former employers. “Being offered the head coach position at the Detroit Red Wings helps a lot”, Nelson added.

    Craig MacTavish, holidaying with Darryl “Bono” Katz at somewhere incredible, is expected to make an announcement re plans to find the next head coach.

  143. hunter1909 says:

    Death March to Spring Update:

    From today the contest will be run no longer on the three digit system, but on the exact points predicted at the end of the season. There won’t be many empty numbers, and with many sharing the same number at season’s end they automatically enter the playoff tiebreaker.

    Previous contestants with three digit numbers can relax; they will end up with points just like the new contestants.

    Hunter1909 New prediction for end of season Oilers: 60 points.

  144. magisterrex says:

    hunter1909: Death March to Spring Update:From today the contest will be run no longer on the three digit system, but on the exact points predicted at the end of the season. There won’t be many empty numbers, and with many sharing the same number at season’s end they automatically enter the playoff tiebreaker.Previous contestants with three digit numbers can relax; they will end up with points just like the new contestants.Hunter1909 New prediction for end of season Oilers: 60 points.

    Love the new coach, don’t think Hall has the maturity to grind out enough wins over the death march. 55 points, and that’s a stretch.

  145. Lowetide says:

    magisterrex: Love the new coach, don’t think Hall has the maturity to grind out enough wins over the death march. 55 points, and that’s a stretch.

    Hall’s hurt (I’m guessing knees), that’s having a major impact on his play. WHY are they playing him in nothing games?

  146. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Hall’s hurt (I’m guessing knees), that’s having a major impact on his play. WHY are they playing him in nothing games?

    Because Oilers

  147. VanOil says:

    hunter1909,

    My prediction will be my new favorite Oilers’ # 54pts. Kellan Lain weak wristed face office maestro, giant and in a shocking piece of news to me Edmonton Oiler. Apparently Nelson thought Lain had a better shot at being in the NHL this season than he did.

  148. kooler says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Oilers will find a a way to screw it up.

  149. frjohnk says:

    LA was down 5-1 in the second period. Tie it at 6 with 30 secs left.

    Wow

  150. Woodguy says:

    54 points

  151. spud says:

    Mark Arcobello with a goal today. Nice start with Nashville.

  152. Lucinius says:

    spud,

    Yep. Never understood why many here said Arco couldn’t score/produce offense. His low assist numbers can be easily explained by the fact none of his line-mates were scoring, even when they played with a different center, and Arcobello himself is on pace for nearly twenty goals (obviously he has no hands!). As of right now, the only Oilers on pace to score more? RNH and Hall. That’s it.

    But he was dead weight on a shitty OIler team? Please.

  153. kooler says:

    Perron lining up with Crosby.

  154. AZOIL says:

    Lowetide: I think MacT WILL try to add big assets and have no doubt they’ll spend a lot of them (and money) on a goalie. Will MacT succeed in trading the No. 26 pick and Martin Marincin for a useful top pairing D? Will he be able to ‘Halak’ a deal with Niemi?

    I’m not at all confident he will. I am however far more confident in his ability to find another Boyd Gordon. I think you’d be surprised at the return Edmonton would get for Gordon right now. It’s definitely a worthwhile conversation imo.

    If they don’t trade him? Great. I think the Oilers will work hard this summer to improve but playoffs? Man, McDavid would have to be VERY good.

    They have to try though. They need Gordon and I sure hope they resign him. If they add a G and a D they can at least shoot for the playoffs. Might not make it but he’ll trade Jultz, pit 1st and any other D prospect for a 1G and sign Niemi or Anderson. We maybe get a better 2c if Roy isn’t helping and we can do something.

    Trading oerron from a position of strength on the wing I can live with but if they trade Gordon they are the dumbest franchise I know.

  155. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    “No offence taken. Not sure why any should have been.”

    You’re so prickly, I love it! Like a lychee, I bet you’re really sweet inside. We’ve missed you around here! (Seriously, it’s good to have another very knowledgeable poster.)

    I think we’re both experienced enough and realistic as Oilers fans to know that what you said only happens in a perfect world and not in the world of Oiler’s mismanagement, unless something drastic changes. The history of the decision making of the current management simply doesn’t support them making the logical and rational moves you propose.

    Vermette, or one like him, as 2C on a value or short term contract? Love the idea. We get him for 4 x $6mill.

    Drai with another year in junior or on the wing? I’m down with that. Already pencilled in as 2/3C

    McEichel playing anywhere in the top 9? Now you’re reaching. How did relying on high draft picks instead of actual NHL players work out so far for us? Already pencilled in as 2/3C

    MacT can pull another Gordon out of his ass anytime he chooses? Well, let’s look at his track record and see how he’s doing so far with trades and UFA signings. Some good, some not so good…Gordon walks/traded for more draft picks, we panic trade meaningful asset for career 4th liner as replacement.

    Lander takes Gordon’s place? That’s just not the player he is, or ever will be. You have to admit, he has offensive chops in the AHL, but may never translate because once again, we’re trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole and making huge wild ass assumptions that he can be that guy despite the mounting evidence against.

    You see, I wasn’t making assumptions, I was asking questions, questions I believe the Oilers should be asking themselves.

    As I’ve posted before, we’ve painted ourselves into a corner and it would be foolish to assume the other 29 GMs haven’t noticed.

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