OILERS AT LIGHTNING, G45 2014-15

The Oilers need a goalie and how—if we made a list of games in which the wind abandoned the sails for this team during 2014-15 it would contain most every game. Why don’t we do that—make a list—but instead of ghastly goals against let’s make a list of lofty goals, things the Edmonton Oilers should do beginning tonight. As you no doubt agree, it’s going to be awhile before we hit the ice with this list, as most of the problems are above ice level.

THINGS TO DO!

  1. Figure out the criteria that allows Edmonton to put a low value on Jeff Petry—and fire that criteria into the sun.
  2. Figure out the criteria that allows Edmonton to put a high value on Niki Nikitin—and fire that criteria into the sun.
  3. Make a list of possible mentors for Justin Schultz—someone in their prime—and make that defenseman an offseason target.
  4. Make a list of possible goalies with enough experience and ability to play in front of this team successfully.
  5. Find skilled forwards who make less than $6M a year.
  6. Find the courage to send some of these kids to the AHL next fall.

 

Leon had two assists last night, now 4GP, 3-3-6 on the season with the Kelowna Rockets. Hope he’s having fun! (Current NHLE: 82gp, 18-19-37).

PETRY DISHES EVERYWHERE

    • Jim Matheson: Pro scouts around the league are keeping a very close eye on Oilers defenceman Jeff Petry, even if he’s got a minus-20 plus/minus rating now. They see him as a No. 5 rental D-man, at least on a Stanley Cup contender. The Blues are looking for a third-pairing guy. They’re not in love with Ian Cole, who is playing with Barret Jackman. Most asked question of scouts? “Are the Oilers going to sign Petry?” Probably not. Source
    • Matt Henderson: However, as per our source close to situation, when Petry’s agent contacted the Oilers to discuss possible negotiations he was told that the club was trying to move him. No contract talks of any nature have happened. Source

One can never be certain of these things—maybe the Oilers talked contract and maybe they’re done talking because they are not comfortable with the number that would satisfy Petry—but it’s a damn shame from here. The scouts did their job, the development people did theirs, and now another NHL team will get the benefit of all those things. Seems crazy, but here we are. As for the No. 5 slotting, I’d argue that and suspect a winning team like Los Angeles will get him for less than 100 cents on the dollar.

WHEN will the Oilers learn that keeping actual NHL players is a key to winning? How many mid-20’s blue are free agents this summer? I count Jeff Petry and Cody Franson, both playing for organizations who haven’t won in a long time. Would Dean Lombardi set Petry free? No. This should never have gotten to this point and I do blame Steve Tambellini above all here, with acknowledgement Craig MacTavish needed to get a longer deal last summer.

Darnell Nurse had a strong night last evening, two assists and +1. He is 22GP, 7-16-23 +8 for the year (NHLE: 82gp, 8-18-26). One of the locks for next season (imo) is Nurse and Oscar Klefbom playing close to 40 minutes a night combined for the 2015-16 Oilers. I suspect they’ll be in the top four opening night, along with Justin Schultz. Lordy.

GREATEST TANK BATTLES

latest standings

The Oilers 5×5 Corsi for (49.2) and Fenwick all (48.7) for the season still hovers around 50% for the year but we’ll soon have enough Nelson games to get a very good look at Eakins—Nelson trending. It’s early days (and frankly some of these early games are giving wonky results because of game state) but the last three games Corsi for (all) has been 51% (CHI) 52% (FLA) and 46% (STL). Coach Nelson is 3-3-2 in his eight solo games and his GM gave him a 2C plus a solid checking line (which Eakins had early but it went away a little after Joensuu’s drift).

My suspicion is we’re going to get to the end of the season and see an improved roster but middling possession results compared to Eakins’ run. Dallas Eakins first sojourn into NHL coaching was sewered by goaltending. I’d swear to it in a court of law.

MCKENZIE TALKS HALL

  • Bob McKenzie“Maybe a little bit. I don’t think the Edmonton Oilers are committed to trading Taylor Hall. They’re certainly not shopping Taylor Hall. But because of the season the Edmonton Oilers have had, they, right to the top, the hierarchy there, they’ve gone through a real extensive decision-making process. ‘Who do we want to keep? Who do we want to move? Do we want to move a core player like Taylor Hall?’
  • More: “I don’t think they’ve come to a final conclusion on that. But I do believe there are teams calling the Edmonton Oilers saying, ‘Hey, would you consider trading Taylor Hall?’ And those teams haven’t been told, ‘Not a chance in the world.’
  • More: “So at this point in time, they’re not fully committed to trading a core player like Taylor Hall, but I think they’re at least entertaining the notion of it. My guess is, if it were to happen, it’d be much more likely to happen in the summer than the deadline. But again, not guaranteed that it will happen at all.” Source

If the Oilers trade Taylor Hall, it better be for the motherlode. This is beyond the pale, folks. How can you trade your best player in the name of getting better? I’ve been a fan of bad teams since a kid and they all have one thing in common: They blame failure on the wrong things. How many mirrors are there in the Oilers offices? Answer: Not enough. Not nearly enough.

JOHANSSON4444

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

10 this morning, TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Dennis King. We’ll talk Hall, Petry, the long march into madness.
  • Andrew Bucholtz, 55-yard Line. Eskimos signed a quarterback!
  • Matt Henderson, Hockeybuzz and Oilers Nation. His confirmation above re: Petry’s contract situation will be the main topic.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. flyfish1168 says:

    RexLibris: Yeah, trade Schultz to Arizona if they really want to tank. Send Nikitin too.

    Can you imagine Mike Smith (this year’s version) with those two in front of him? Andre Racicot would feel sorry for the guy.

    I’m sure Dubs warned them

  2. Woodguy says:

    Bank Shot: Good teams have better players.Its pretty simple really.

    Do you think Petry goes into Detroit and takes Dekeyser’s minutes? What about Hjarlmason in Chicago? I don’t think he plays in front of vancitys top four.

    Should the Oilers keep Petry? Sure. Is he in any way in the same ball park as Hedman? No.

    What exactly is it about Petry that makes some Oilers fans think he will displace equal or better players on better teams?

    Make an arguement without using relcorsi.

    Way to not answer my question.

    Answer my question first, then I’ll answer yours.

    You often mention a team’s place in the standings as being material to the worth of a Dman.
    In 2013 Hedman was the best Dman on the 28th place team.
    In 2014 Hedman was the best Dman on the 6th place team.
    Did Hedman’s ability or worth change from 2013 to 2014?
    Honestly wanting an answer.

    So this rule on the value of a Dman due to the standings position of his team is not material because Hedman?

  3. Woodguy says:

    Bank Shot: Good teams have better players.Its pretty simple really.

    Do you think Petry goes into Detroit and takes Dekeyser’s minutes? What about Hjarlmason in Chicago? I don’t think he plays in front of vancitys top four.

    Should the Oilers keep Petry? Sure. Is he in any way in the same ball park as Hedman? No.

    What exactly is it about Petry that makes some Oilers fans think he will displace equal or better players on better teams?

    Make an arguement without using relcorsi.

    Are you DSF?

    Its a very DSFian argument.

    Move the goalposts? check

    Not actually answer the question? check

    Mention said player and team he plays for are better than Oilers and player in question? check

    Finish off with a question so the goal posts get moved again? check

  4. McSorley33 says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    It needs to be repeated…..

    J Schultz was Allowed to play over 24 minutes tonight.

    Nobody is even laughing at us anymore….people are just saying something should be done.

  5. RexLibris says:

    flyfish1168: I’m sure Dubs warned them

    They’ve moved their better goaltender, are poised to trade any or all of Vermette, Erat, Michalek, Moss, Boedker and Crombeen (okay, I just added him at the end for the sake of humour) and are still ahead of the Oilers by virtue of winning the season series thus far.

    Their team needs more cowbell. In fact, I think Cowbell might be a good nickname for Schultz.

    Consider: we often criticize him for lackadaisical play, little motivation, slow defensive thought processes and a general disconnect with the emotional state of the game.

    Now think of a cow meandering across the pasture, chewing on its cud, languidly blinking it’s large eyes and swinging it’s head back and forth completely disinterested in the world around it while occasionally issuing forth a plaintive “moooo”, all to the tune of it’s clanging cowbell as it trundles this way and that.

    Now, this isn’t meant to be mean-spirited, but I think nicknaming Schultz Cowbell is far better than some of the other items likely on offer from the fan base.

  6. knighttown says:

    Forward lines are pretty good right now. The “leftovers” faced some tough comp tonight and seemed to fair pretty well. Anton Lander is an actual NHLer. He made two brilliant passes, mone to Schultz thet he muffed and another just after. He can play defence, kill penalties and take faceoffs. I think 4/5C is covered for the next 5 years. His skating is the epitome of average but here’s the issue. I’m not sure there’s a slower line in the NHL than Fraser, Purcell and Lander. Purcell has Ryder like puck skills so he’s acceptsble as a 3/4 winger but Fraser simply is too poor a skater. I like his positioning. I like his try. I hear he can shoot well. But he can’t skate. At all. One play tonight was a great lead pass and he had at least a partial break and got caught in a half dozen strides. I don’t expect we’ll see him the NHL a whole lot longer.

  7. G Money says:

    RexLibris,

    I like it.

    “Tank? I gotta have more cowbell!”

  8. G Money says:

    The Flames had three shots in the second period against Arizona.

    It’s not even a season low for them.

    The game is tied.

    Is Calgary recognizing the obvious and thinking of entering the tank battle?

  9. knighttown says:

    Sportsnet simply blows. I’m not sure they have a replay machine. The GWG was set up off a contested icing call. Not only did SN not show us a replay but they never even connected that to the goal. You’ve got to be able to weave these pieces together to tell a story which is why I LOVE McCurdys write ups. He never misses a detail, weaves it all together and it really adds to the readers enjoyment.

    Anyway, SN doesn’t do thet.

  10. Lowetide says:

    knighttown:
    Sportsnet simply blows. I’m not sure they have a replay machine. The GWG was set up off a contested icing call. Not only did SN not show us a replay but they never even connected that to the goal. You’ve got to be able to weave these pieces together to tell a story which is why I LOVE McCurdys write ups. He never misses a detail, weaves it all together and it really adds to the readers enjoyment.

    Anyway, SN doesn’t do thet.

    McCurdy is a wildly underrated gem.

  11. knighttown says:

    I’m a touch worried about Oscar. He got smashed face first into the glass early on and seemed wobbly for a shift or two after. There’s no obvious benching in the TOI stats but he did only play 16 minutes which is low for him. Bell rung for sure and hopefully nothing more with his history.

  12. G Money says:

    Lowetide: McCurdy is a wildly underrated gem.

    Indeed. I believe he was musing about Micah McCurdy also potentially being a relative of his.

    I’m off to head office in Houston next week, and they told me about this other little McCurdy gem:
    http://www.provedplusprobable.com/drones/

    So Bruce … is Cooter also a relative of yours?

    (Note: p+p is a joke website, so the rest of that story is fake I think, but supposedly the part about Cooter is true!)

  13. Woodguy says:

    cabbiesmacker: Writing “soooooo” makes you look gay.(not that there’s anything wrong with that)
    You can emphasize an opinion without acting gay.(not that there’s anything wrong with that)
    Don’t be a gay(not that there’d be anything wrong with that)

    Not that we needed more information to tell us how rotten your soul is, but we got it there.

  14. knighttown says:

    Also should post my speculation on the Hendricks tantrum. My best guess is that he called Schultz a puss$. Hendricks had just started a scrum and Schultz got rag dolled by a Russian from Tampa. Namestnikov maybe. Even after he just waltzed away. This coming right after his non reaction against Backes that McCurdy IDed as a Schultz issue.

    Obvious soap opera speculation but if Nelson and the teammates were firing back this seems plausible. And just after thwt Schultz got emotional on an offside and even pushed someone with ill intent!

    I suppose Nelson could have told him to be caul around Ben too…

  15. G Money says:

    ARZ is dead set on losing but Mike Smith is making things a bit tougher than they should be…

  16. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    I don’t think Ference is an issue but the other two are stunning in their horribleness. I honestly don’t know if there’s a mentor in the NHL who could help him enough to make it work. At least MA Bergeron had a switch he could turn on and go into damage control mode.

    Jultz may not have as good of a NHL career as MAB and MacT is about to pick him over Petry.

  17. Woodguy says:

    G Money: Yes.

    As much gloom and doom as there is with this team, let’s remember that they’ve actually looked like an NHL team for many shifts and quite a number of games this season.

    As much as we’re focused on the negatives, especially the ability of the team to find ways to lose, there is a LOT of good out there.

    *** BOLD STATEMENT ALERT ***

    If this team had a real goalie, had signed Derek Roy as 2C and called up Lander for 4C from day one, and replaced Nikitin, Schultz, and Ference with real NHL defenders – this might be a playoff team.

    Seriously.

    That’s the frustrating part.

    So close yet so far away.

  18. flyfish1168 says:

    RexLibris: They’ve moved their better goaltender, are poised to trade any or all of Vermette, Erat, Michalek, Moss, Boedker and Crombeen (okay, I just added him at the end for the sake of humour) and are still ahead of the Oilers by virtue of winning the season series thus far.

    Their team needs more cowbell. In fact, I think Cowbell might be a good nickname for Schultz.

    Consider: we often criticize him for lackadaisical play, little motivation, slow defensive thought processes and a general disconnect with the emotional state of the game.

    Now think of a cow meandering across the pasture, chewing on its cud, languidly blinking it’s large eyes and swinging it’s head back and forth completely disinterested in the world around it while occasionally issuing forth a plaintive “moooo”, all to the tune of it’s clanging cowbell as it trundles this way and that.

    Now, this isn’t meant to be mean-spirited, but I think nicknaming Schultz Cowbell is far better than some of the other items likely on offer from the fan base.

    Let me tell you. A cow has a great many uses.1) leather, 2)meat for human consumption 3) makes you money 4) milk 5) use for entertainment (stampeded) and finally 6) even their $hit is useful

    i can see why one would put a cow bell on a cow. you never would want to lose something that valuable.

    So the moral of this is even a cows Shit is more useful than justin. JMHO

  19. Woodguy says:

    G Money: No team tanks like the Oilers.

    And if you’re going to tank, what better weapon could there be then 20+ minutes a night of FNS?

    That’s like having a tank on top of an aircraft carrier, all powered by a 200′ hamster on a gigantic wheel.It’s almost unfair.

    Its actually 60 minuts of FNS.

    One of them is always on the ice.

    Assuming FNS = Ferrence Nikitin Schultz

  20. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy: Not that we needed more information to tell us how rotten your soul is, but we got it there.

    Aye laddie. Ya goot ma. Now aweeyagoyamugya.

  21. RexLibris says:

    Flames take over the game to win 4-1 against Arizona.

    Don Maloney lets out a huge sigh of relief.

    One down, 40 more to go, Don.

  22. G Money says:

    Woodguy: Its actually 60 minuts of FNS.

    One of them is always on the ice.

    Assuming FNS = Ferrence Nikitin Schultz

    Correct. And by 20+ minutes, I meant each.

    Tonight they were 23.6 Schultz + 16.4 Nikitin + 19.9 Ference = 59.9 minutes.

    That’s the fun part – we get to watch basically a full game’s worth of FNS, sometimes more, almost every Oiler game! Luckier than the average hamster, we are!

  23. RexLibris says:

    flyfish1168: Let me tell you. A cow has a great manyuses.1) leather, 2)meat for human consumption 3) makes you money 4) milk 5) use for entertainment (stampeded) and finally 6) even their $hit is useful

    i can see why one would put a cow bell on a cow. you never would want to lose something that valuable.

    So the moral of this is even a cows Shit is more useful than justin. JMHO

    Yes, and cow manure makes the flowers grow. So if one wanted to venture there one could suggest that Schultz’s shifts are, well, manure, and will, eventually, make flowers grow, the metaphorical flowers in this case being McDavid or Eichel.

    Doesn’t change the smell of his shifts, though.

    And does this mean that Justin Schultz is metaphorically responsible for greenhouse gas emissions?

  24. RexLibris says:

    G Money: Correct.And by 20+ minutes, I meant each.

    Tonight they were 23.6 Schultz + 16.4 Nikitin + 19.9 Ference = 59.9 minutes.

    That’s the fun part – we get to watch basically a full game’s worth of FNS, sometimes more, almost every Oiler game!

    That last 0.1 minute is where they pull the goalie, right?

  25. fifthcartel says:

    Woodguy: Jultz may not have as good of a NHL career as MAB and MacT is about to pick him over Petry.

    This. I just can’t believe this. I thought MacT was decently smart, but this feels like shades of Tambellini. Everyone can see it, he’s not who think he is.

  26. flyfish1168 says:

    RexLibris: Yes, and cow manure makes the flowers grow. So if one wanted to venture there one could suggest that Schultz’s shifts are, well, manure, and will, eventually, make flowers grow, the metaphorical flowers in this case being McDavid or Eichel.

    Doesn’t change the smell of his shifts, though.

    And does this mean that Justin Schultz is metaphorically responsible for greenhouse gas emissions?

    LMFAO. he is RESPONSIBLE for us being in the sewer, outhouse, basement, suck as a team, pathetic and yes even this comes up roses for Mcdavid or Eichel .

  27. oliveoilers says:

    flyfish1168: LMFAO. he is RESPONSIBLE for us being in the sewer, outhouse, basement, suck as a team, pathetic and yes even this comes up roses for Mcdavid or Eichel .

    Well Chuckles, laugh this one off; if Jultz lands us McEichel, guess who’s going to be ‘playing’ D right behind him at 5.5M per for 5? That’s right, Justin ‘Chuck’ Norris.

  28. oliveoilers says:

    RexLibris: That last 0.1 minute is where they pull the goalie, right?

    For that blissful 0.6 seconds, the Oilers are a team in the NHL.

  29. Hammers says:

    Since Pouliots back from injury his had more goals than Perron in Pit . That 2nd line is looking good to me . For those who felt loosing Perron for both Klinkhammer and a 1st rd pickwas a mistake it looks OK to me . 2 things though , sign Klinkhammer and McT needs to use that pick + for a “D” .

  30. Suntory Hanzo says:

    There is only one thing more more deadly than entering a tank battle with the Oilers, and that is betting against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

  31. Tire Fire says:

    Lowetide: McCurdy is a wildly underrated gem.

    Ssssshhhhhhhh!

    I’m terrified he’ll get called up to the big leagues to cover a real team and we’ll be left with only Spector.

  32. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Woodguy: Jultz may not have as good of a NHL career as MAB and MacT is about to pick him over Petry.

    About to? $3.675M vs $3.02 M or whatever it was says otherwise. Which is why I’ve been hopping mad about this since summer. I need to find some chill pills to calm down. Watching sports is supposed to be an escape from the stress of normal life. I feel like the Oilers are just enhancing the stress of my normal life with stupid decisions left and right.

  33. Zelepukin says:

    As much as I love ragging on Nicotine and Jultz for being the worst, it is still quite disconcerting knowing that their minutes means Nelson is just as much blind stupid as Eakins.

  34. Bruce McCurdy says:

    knighttown:
    Sportsnet simply blows. I’m not sure they have a replay machine. The GWG was set up off a contested icing call. Not only did SN not show us a replay but they never even connected that to the goal. You’ve got to be able to weave these pieces together to tell a story which is why I LOVE McCurdys write ups. He never misses a detail, weaves it all together and it really adds to the readers enjoyment.

    Anyway, SN doesn’t do thet.

    Thanks KT. Yeah, I was raging about that blown icing call on Twitter right as it happened. Cost us the f’n game. Fortunately here in Bizarroworld an unjust regulation loss is the best result possible, so I’ve calmed down now & am cool with it.

  35. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: Its actually 60 minuts of FNS.

    One of them is always on the ice.

    Assuming FNS = Ferrence Nikitin Schultz

    I thought it was “Future Norris” Schultz!

  36. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Thanks KT. Yeah, I was raging about that blown icing call on Twitter right as it happened. Cost us the f’n game. Fortunately here in Bizarroworld an unjust regulation loss is the best result possible, so I’ve calmed down now & am cool with it.

    I was raging here. Agree with you 100%. Still mad, though! Can’t beat Tampa + zebras.

  37. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    There is only one thing more more deadly than entering a tank battle with the Oilers,and that is betting against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

    If by “betting” you mean “going in,” then yes. Never get involved in a tank war in northern Alberta.

  38. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy: Way to not answer my question.

    Answer my question first, then I’ll answer yours.

    You often mention a team’s place in the standings as being material to the worth of a Dman.
    In 2013 Hedman was the best Dman on the 28th place team.
    In 2014 Hedman was the best Dman on the 6th place team.
    Did Hedman’s ability or worth change from 2013 to 2014?
    Honestly wanting an answer.

    So this rule on the value of a Dman due to the standings position of his team is not material because Hedman?

    Hedman went from 20 points in 40 games to 55 points in 75. The difference between those two Hedman’s is night and day.

    I would have to say that yes his ability and worth improved season over season. That happens to young players.

    Petry has pretty much ran in place in terms of his play since he entered the league. He plays number one minutes on the Oilers but he certainly doesn’t excel at it.

    I’ve seen you say Ference, Nikitin, and Schultz are all terrible.
    Then we have Klefbom who is a rookie, and Fayne who is steady but pretty unspectacular.

    If Petry is a 2/3 he should be shining like a golden god in comparison to the rest of the D-core. He looks the best, but he doesn’t look like a star compared to the others.

    A number two defenseman takes over a game every once in awhile. Petry doesn’t. Never has.

    Yes he has a good relative corsi. That doesn’t make him a difference maker. Fayne always had a great relative corsi in Jersey and he’s not a stand out either.

    I just don’t see what makes Petry and better than a Tanev, or Garrison, or a Weaver, or any other average utility defenseman throughout the league.

    Look at the top teams in the West.
    Chicago
    St.Louis
    Anaheim
    Vancouver
    Nashville
    San Jose
    LA

    There aren’t very many teams there that you can conclusively say that Petry is definitely a top 4 option, let alone top 3.

  39. VanOil says:

    Lowetide: McCurdy is a wildly underrated gem.

    At the end of the last game the Scandinavian Noir recommendations came out. Who ever recommend Jo Nesbro ” The Son” well done I am halfway through and a fan.

    Tonight was just another manifestation of last place hockey, winning games they should lose or something like that.

    The Arizona and Buffalo outright tank positions will be hard too the compete with out trading our best Dman.

  40. VanOil says:

    It is late here on the left coast, and I will admit I probably should not of mixed the ice cream with the whiskey for dessert (breakfast cereal sold it). But as I shut down here I offer an Oilers repose for a Friday morning, ‘I will follow you in to the dark’ by Death Cab by Cutie, covered by Edmonton’s own Daniela Andrade. http://youtu.be/uXxTRnxmY-c

    Daniela Andrade should become the sound track of this blog as she covers the world and feels our pain, plus she has a cute dog, http://youtu.be/_iAaEH_dR_Y what else do you want for a January morning as an Oiler fan.

  41. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    VanOil,

    She’s on the 50 Shades of Eakins soundtrack right? Covering Beyonce. Where’s Ben? Haha.

  42. VanOil says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Ben was the one that brought Rum, Sodomy and the Lash (great album) into this thread or another Military strategy quite like it so it is probably his fault.

    Either way storm the beaches! (any references to Fozzie lyrics is entirely unintentional, I am not Jets fan)

  43. Auston Matthews '16 says:
  44. Aitch says:

    On the tying goal, this was the face-off set-up. Lander was taking the draw. To his left were Schultz, Fraser and Purcell. To his right was Klefbom. That’s right, the right-hand D and both wingers were to the left, while the left-side D-man was lined up to the right.

    I know there are people with more strategic minds than me reading this blog. Can anyone explain why a team would line up like this for an own-zone face-off? As far as I’m concerned, this was a strategic decision that lead directly to the winning goal as both Klefbom and Schultz skated for the same ice after Lander won the draw… and it made sense for both of them to go there given their normal positions.

  45. theres oil in virginia says:

    knighttown:
    Sportsnet simply blows. I’m not sure they have a replay machine. The GWG was set up off a contested icing call. Not only did SN not show us a replay but they never even connected that to the goal. You’ve got to be able to weave these pieces together to tell a story which is why I LOVE McCurdys write ups. He never misses a detail, weaves it all together and it really adds to the readers enjoyment.

    Anyway, SN doesn’t do thet.

    I have the sneaking suspicion that in their contract with the league, they (and others) have agreed not to show replays of close calls that the zebras blew. For example, if you have a recording device, you should go back to the moments during a game where the puck enters the zone on a play where it was whistled offside. Check for yourself. They’re wrong more often than I realized before I started doing that. I’ve found that they usually call it offside if it doesn’t look right at the line. A few games back, the Oilers were improperly called more than once on plays entering the zone that “didn’t look right”, but the opponent was not called on an actual offside play “that didn’t look right”…and they scored. I don’t think the linesmen can make those calls properly from the positions they occupy on the ice.

    Anyway, bring on McEichel.

  46. elgruntus says:

    Zelepukin,

    or maybe, somebody’s been calling the shots from the press box all year?

    or maybe, Ramsey isn’t as good as we hoped he’d be?

  47. wheatnoil says:

    Auston Matthews ’16:
    http://nhllotterysimulator.com/#/

    That is all.

    So I ran it. New Jersey won. Damn you Lou!

  48. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    wheatnoil: So I ran it. New Jersey won. Damn you Lou!

    About 20% of the time, it works every time!

  49. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    elgruntus: Zelepukin, or maybe, somebody’s been calling the shots from the press box all year?or maybe, Ramsey isn’t as good as we hoped he’d be?

    Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.
    Power Play that stinks? Check
    Defensemen that stink? Check, although we cannot blame this too much on Ramsay. Can’t make a Rembrandt-quality painting with a toothpick and food colouring.

    I know no one wants to talk about it because many people thought it was the best acquisition of the summer. I probably could be counted among them when I read people’s posts about his influence on players and other teams. I believed. But I haven’t really seen anything new or different from last year. Maybe the players can tell us otherwise.

  50. hags9k says:

    Whatever magic beans come back in the Petry trade, of course keep in mind that we also get increased odds of McEichel.

    I’ll leave it to the big math brains here to put the exact % on that. (to two decimal places please)

    I’ll estimate that our chances of finishing 30th go up about 25% if Petry goes.

  51. Jon K says:

    Pouliot better watch himself. If he keeps playing like this he might get stuck in Edmonton for all five years.

  52. flyfish1168 says:

    oliveoilers: Well Chuckles, laugh this one off; if Jultz lands us McEichel, guess who’s going to be ‘playing’ D right behind him at 5.5M per for 5?That’s right, Justin ‘Chuck’ Norris.

    Please don’t make me cry at that possibility. I was just having fun. justin Sleepy schultz = justin bieber = useless

  53. Pouzar says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.Power Play that stinks? CheckDefensemen that stink? Check, although we cannot blame this too much on Ramsay. Can’t make a Rembrandt-quality painting with a toothpick and food colouring.I know no one wants to talk about it because many people thought it was the best acquisition of the summer. I probably could be counted among them when I read people’s posts about his influence on players and other teams. I believed. But I haven’t really seen anything new or different from last year. Maybe the players can tell us otherwise.

    MacT has to speak to this mess on Defense. It’s inexcusable. I really thought the D couldn’t get worse after last year but I think it did. He has got to stop throwing sh!t against the wall and bring in quality. Like G says, you can only have 1 of FSN on a team.

  54. oliveoilers says:

    Jon K:
    Pouliot better watch himself. If he keeps playing like this he might get stuck in Edmonton for all five years.

    Nope, after another slow start where the Oilers go 8-27-5 in the first forty in 2016, the Oilers decide that another high draft pick will save the day. The word ‘generational’ is used out of context. A lot. MacT admits that some of the blame is his as he joins Ryan Smith and Mess on the bench. He extolls the virtue of finding NHL players and keeping them after trading POO and Gordon.

    This causes a trade paradox in the Oilogosphere of “get good player, keep good players” and “trade them high, MacT can find that player a dime a dozen. Did you know he used to play without a helmet?” Cannot compute is heard a lot.

    Oilogosphere explodes.

    Fans already accept the tank is on after a 4-5-1 start.

    Thus speaketh the prophet of ‘it wouldn’t surprise me’!

  55. SwedishPoster says:

    Aitch:
    On the tying goal, this was the face-off set-up. Lander was taking the draw. To his left were Schultz, Fraser and Purcell. To his right was Klefbom. That’s right, the right-hand D and both wingers were to the left, while the left-side D-man was lined up to the right.

    I know there are people with more strategic minds than me reading this blog. Can anyone explain whya team would line up like this for an own-zone face-off? As far as I’m concerned, this was a strategic decision that lead directly to the winning goal as both Klefbom and Schultz skated for the same ice after Lander won the draw… and it made sense for both of them to go there given their normal positions.

    The purpose, I would guess, is to get in position to quickly get to the puck on your forehand.

  56. Adam Wu says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    There is only one thing more more deadly than entering a tank battle with the Oilers,and that is betting against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

    You know, we know what the Sicilian CLAIMED, but there’s only one empirically demonstrable, independently observable example, and that one did not exactly come up roses for the Sicilian in question.

  57. Woodguy says:

    Bank Shot,

    Hedman went from 20 points in 40 games to 55 points in 75. The difference between those two Hedman’s is night and day.

    That just silly.

    Hedman 5v5 pts/60
    12/13 1.30
    13/14 1.60

    Hedman 5v4 pts/60
    12/13 1.57
    13/14 2.39

    Most of his increase in offence came from his PP points, not 5v5.

    I just don’t see what makes Petry and better than a Tanev, or Garrison, or a Weaver, or any other average utility defenseman throughout the league.

    Weaver doesn’t belong in that group.

    I’d also argue that Tanev is an excellent Dman who, like Petry plays vs. tough comp and comes out ahead.

    Garrison is different in that he brings more offence, but is probably a slightly lesser defender than Petry.

    Tanev at the very least isn’t an “average utility Dman”, Garrison is closer, Weaver is.

    The fact that you group these 3 together tells me that however you rate Dmen is very broad and different than I.

    Also,

    Petry has pretty much ran in place in terms of his play since he entered the league. He plays number one minutes on the Oilers but he certainly doesn’t excel at it.

    I’d say keeping your head above water while playing the toughest comp for the worst team in hockey is excelling.

    Also,

    If Petry is a 2/3 he should be shining like a golden god in comparison to the rest of the D-core. He looks the best, but he doesn’t look like a star compared to the others.

    In what way?

    I think he looks like an Actual NHL Dmen on a team filled with 7’s and 8’s.

    Also,


    Chicago
    St.Louis
    Anaheim
    Vancouver
    Nashville
    San Jose
    LA

    There aren’t very many teams there that you can conclusively say that Petry is definitely a top 4 option, let alone top 3.

    Its funny that you had mentioned Hjalmarsson (in a previous post) as I see Petry very much like Hjalmarsson.

    Doesn’t bring a ton of offence, doesn’t play PP much, but plays the toughest comp on a WC team. Isn’t know for being physical, but removes man from the puck just fine.

  58. PhrankLee says:

    Auston Matthews ’16: http://nhllotterysimulator.com/#/
    That is all.

    Really displays our PDO when you click the “run it 1000 times” button!

  59. Woodguy says:

    Staal getting a NMC and 6 years at $5.7MM

    That’s a lot for what he brings.

    Good 2nd pairing guy, but not as much offence as he had before due to lack of PP time.

  60. gogliano says:

    Auston Matthews ’16: http://nhllotterysimulator.com/#/

    I ran it once. Apparently it is missing the “no way in hell Bettman let’s the Oil win this thing” weighting because I got KLowe and crew.

  61. Unicorns says:

    When you’re down and out and are clinging on to the one thing you can do right in your world, you should fight to keep at all costs. It’s your life preserver so to speak.

    The only thing the Oilers are good at is tanking. Now Buffalo has become the best at finishing with appalling point totals and Bettman is competing directly in the draft through the Yotes actively tanking. It’s unacceptable.

    Gary the Fix has tried to rig the game by reducing the Oilers’ odds and buying a team of his own. The solution is to increase the odds again. MacNicholowe need to hustle the first out of Arizona or Buffalo to offset the dirty play. I am sure Sather would give some quiet advice for old times sake. Perhaps that is the role for Messier they are looking for in the org. – Trade Ambassador. Send Moose to have a ‘word’ with desired trade partners.

  62. oliveoilers says:

    Unicorns:
    When you’re down and out and are clinging on to the one thing you can do right in your world, you should fight to keep at all costs. It’s your life preserver so to speak.

    The only thing the Oilers are good at is tanking. Now Buffalo has become the best at finishing with appalling point totals and Bettman is competing directly in the draft through the Yotes actively tanking. It’s unacceptable.

    Gary the Fix has tried to rig the game by reducing the Oilers’ odds and buying a team of his own. The solution is to increase the odds again. MacNicholowe need to hustle the first out of Arizona or Buffalo to offset the dirty play. I am sure Sather would give some quiet advice for old times sake. Perhaps that is the role for Messier they are looking for in the org. – Trade Ambassador. Send Moose to have a ‘word’ with desired trade partners.

    I think you have hit on a really good point here. Bettman has gone from people wondering who’ll win the cup, to the race for last. Will the drafting of McDavid eclipse Lord Stanley this year?

    I can’t see how the NHL wants people to initiate in cheering for losing. I feel sorry for whoever wins the cup this year. It’ll always be known as the year of the tank battles.

  63. Unicorns says:

    Woodguy:
    Bank Shot,

    Hedman went from 20 points in 40 games to 55 points in 75. The difference between those two Hedman’s is night and day.

    That just silly.

    Hedman 5v5 pts/60
    12/13 1.30
    13/14 1.60

    Hedman 5v4 pts/60
    12/13 1.57
    13/14 2.39

    Most of his increase in offence came from his PP points, not 5v5.

    I just don’t see what makes Petry and better than a Tanev, or Garrison, or a Weaver, or any other average utility defenseman throughout the league.

    Weaver doesn’t belong in that group.

    I’d also argue that Tanev is an excellent Dman who, like Petry plays vs. tough comp and comes out ahead.

    Garrison is different in that he brings more offence, but is probably a slightly lesser defender than Petry.

    Tanev at the very least isn’t an “average utility Dman”, Garrison is closer, Weaver is.

    The fact that you group these 3 together tells me that however you rate Dmen is very broad and different than I.

    Also,

    Petry has pretty much ran in place in terms of his play since he entered the league. He plays number one minutes on the Oilers but he certainly doesn’t excel at it.

    I’d say keeping your head above water while playing the toughest comp for the worst team in hockey is excelling.

    Also,

    If Petry is a 2/3 he should be shining like a golden god in comparison to the rest of the D-core. He looks the best, but he doesn’t look like a star compared to the others.

    In what way?

    I think he looks like an Actual NHL Dmen on a team filled with 7’s and 8’s.

    Also,


    Chicago
    St.Louis
    Anaheim
    Vancouver
    Nashville
    San Jose
    LA


    There aren’t very many teams there that you can conclusively say that Petry is definitely a top 4 option, let alone top 3.

    Its funny that you had mentioned Hjalmarsson (in a previous post) as I see Petry very much like Hjalmarsson.

    Doesn’t bring a ton of offence, doesn’t play PP much, but plays the toughest comp on a WC team.Isn’t know for being physical, but removes man from the puck just fine.

    I also mentioned a few threads back that Petry plays a similar game to Oduya and Hjalmarsson. Quick puck recovery and a successful quick play up the ice is good enough for the Hawks but not the Oilers. They make a lot of weak plays as well, particularly Oduya. Gotta decide if the good outweighs the bad. Quenneville says it does.

    I think better teams recognize what a player type looks like and accept it until their knight on shining armour arrives (usually doesn’t). The Oilers just dump the player for nothing and stay bad. Petry would probably be a great mentor for Nurse. Petry to teach puck movement and skating it out, Nurse brings the snarl to the pair. Both could work on offense.

    If they could get the underwhelming Fayne a partner to take toughs with it could work out ok.

  64. book¡je says:

    Pouzar: MacT has to speak to this mess on Defense. It’s inexcusable. I really thought the D couldn’t get worse after last year but I think it did. He has got to stop throwing sh!t against the wall and bring in quality. Like G says, you can only have 1 of FSN on a team.

    The problem is that I don’t think he can. Either he doesn’t understand the position (defence) OR he is basing his decisions on something that a fortune teller told him about “staying with the one who chose you until he rises to greatness – also screw that Marincin kid, he’s bad luck”. Neither of those would allow him to speak to the mess on defence in a way that would make the fans happier.

  65. SwedishPoster says:

    I’m in Florida in vacation so me and my fiance saw the game live. Will see tomorrow’s game as well. Our tickets were pretty much rinkside, long time since I saw a game from that position, great fun. A couple of things I noticed.
    Lander gives great puck support and he makes a lot of smart plays. A shame his shot and hands aren’t better, a little more juice on his shot would do a world of difference. An RNH shot regime this summer perhaps?
    Schultz and Klefbom would also benefit greatly from working on their shots. Schultz must get stronger, it’s so obvious how much weaker he is than the rest. Klefbom does a lot of small things well defensively.
    Both Schultz and Petry makes untimely giveaways that kills the flow of the team, you can even see it in the faces of the players.
    Hall is so off his game, impressive that he still manages to put up some offensive numbers.
    Hall, Ebs and Yak are way to inactive defensively, their sticks are way too passive. Funny thing, especially with Yak, is that they are way better when on the forecheck. They are also much stronger on the puck in the o-zone.
    Yaks skill level is even higher than I’ve noticed before, he does little things that hints of a skillset that’s insane but he just can’t catch a break. Two great shots went off the iron, both would have been goals if the inches were on his side. He does look better and works hard but he needs to be more of a factor in the defensive zone.
    RNH and Pouliot looks fantastic right now. Fraser is not an NHLer but tries hard. Klinkhammer is useful.
    The team as a whole looked really good in the offensive and neutral zone, but struggles in the defensive zone, usually does an ok job breaking up the cycle but can’t break out/clear and has a few massive breakdowns every period which kills us. Did enough to win this game by 2-3 goals but hockey is about results so the loss was well deserved.

  66. Pouzar says:

    Unicorns,

    What’s Oduya’s status for next year? #ughCapgeek

  67. Pouzar says:

    book¡je: The problem is that I don’t think he can. Either he doesn’t understand the position (defence) OR he is basing his decisions on something that a fortune teller told him about “staying with the one who chose you until he rises to greatness – also screw that Marincin kid, he’s bad luck”. Neither of those would allow him to speak to the mess on defence in a way that would make the fans happier.

    He would probably spew some nonsense about it being a strength. SIGH

  68. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    SwedishPoster: Schultz must get stronger

    It has been rumoured that his summer workout regimen included driving behind a little, white ball.

    SwedishPoster: Yaks skill level is even higher than I’ve noticed before

    It’s noticeable on the broadcasts too, but it would be great to see him live.

    SwedishPoster: Klinkhammer is useful.

    And a great hockey name as well.

    Thanks for the scouting report – we’ll expect more after the loss to the Panthers.

    And enjoy your vacation!

  69. rickithebear says:

    Musing about the loss of a R side Dman with one of the worst Career EVGA/60 facing 2nd comp is quite strange.

    Musing About a RH D facing 1st comp and better than league average EVGA/60 is valid.

    We do not have one right now!

    Though playing Niktin-Fayne is 2.38 just short of 2.33

    Aulie – Fayne against 2nd comp is 0.00 EVGA/60

    Though if you give Petry a Big Physical stay in Box LHD
    He is quite succesful.

    In the .71 to 2.33 EVGA/60 range.

  70. Unicorns says:

    Pouzar:
    Unicorns,

    What’s Oduya’s status for next year? #ughCapgeek

    Oduya is UFA. NHL numbers off of Oilersnation has cap info. Not nearly as much fun without Armchair GM though!

    LeBrun says Marc Stall 6 X 5.7 with NYR.
    28 YO shoots left
    2013-2014 – 72 GP 3G 11A 14PTS 24PIM +/- -1
    2007-2008 first full season
    Previous 4 seasons 216 games played

    Jeff Petry
    27 YO shoots right
    2013-2014 – 80 GP 7G 10 A 17 PTS 42PIM +/- -22
    2011-2012 first full NHL season
    Previous 4 seasons 279 games played

    I used plus minus because full season and I’m not sure RelCor or other stats are necessarily informative given the vast difference in team quality, especially goaltending.

    Petry is awful obviously!

  71. Bruce McCurdy says:

    oliveoilers: I can’t see how the NHL wants people to initiate in cheering for losing. I feel sorry for whoever wins the cup this year. It’ll always be known as the year of the tank battles.

    Just like 1984 is remembered as the year of the epic tank battle between Jersey & Pittsburgh for Super Mario.

    Who won the Cup in ’84 anyway? I forget. Sure do remember that tank battle though!

  72. Adam Wu says:

    One ironic thing I find is everyone calling for Marincin to be brought up, while simultaneously praising the Detroit “leave them in the A until they are overripe” model.

    Because whether intentionally or not, that is exactly what they are doing with Marincin.

    Last year Marincin showed well, with Petry as his primary partner, who sheltered him, for half a season. By the most optimistic assessment, that makes Marincin, at best, ripe. Not overripe. With the Detroit model, he would have stayed in the AHL this season (they may not even have played him as much last season – several game cup of coffee to show his potential then back to the A for more seasoning, no point buggering up his development when the season was lost already.)

  73. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy:
    Bank Shot,

    Its funny that you had mentioned Hjalmarsson (in a previous post) as I see Petry very much like Hjalmarsson.

    Doesn’t bring a ton of offence, doesn’t play PP much, but plays the toughest comp on a WC team.Isn’t know for being physical, but removes man from the puck just fine.

    Petry doesn’t play the toughest comp this season, and the spread between him and the rest of his D-corps has never been as large what Hjalmarsson has dealt with in Chicago.

    In 13/14-
    Petry had 0.046 as his QOC number. The easiest comp on the team was -0.047.
    Hjalmarsson had 0.112 and the lowest on his team was -0.135.

    That’s a much bigger spread. That tells me that they don’t play the same role at all.

    This season Petry is 5th in QOC of D-men that have played over 20 games.

    Again, not the same role.

    Therein lies the problem of trying to judge defencemen primarily on relcorsi. Good, but middle of the pack players like Petry have their rel corsi numbers effected hugely by coaching effects and linemates.

    A prime example is Fayne who went from being a corsi darling on the NJD to in the sewer with the Edmonton OIlers. I never hear a peep about that however.

    Again, I don’t think Petry is a bad player, I just don’t see him playing a huge role on a team that is going to contend for the Stanley Cup.

    He played like 6-7th minutes for the USA in the last world championships. That’s an indicator.

    When he gets traded in a month we will another answer.

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