WASTING AT BATS

In the next few weeks we’ll say goodbye to Jeff Petry. Drafted by the team, signed, played in the minors, built his way up and flew sorties for a few years as an Oiler as he learned his trade. Petry is entering the ‘sweet spot’ for NHL defensemen, which is basically that period where young men slip the shackles of youth and deliver effective play for years until their bodies give way to the punishment and the passing of time. These men are so precious to NHL teams they rarely find free agency before 30 and with good reason. Jeff Petry is not a typical Oiler by traditional standards (read: 1980’s). He is not rugged and he does not fight. I suspect the Oilers don’t plan to sign him at least partly because of ‘soft play’ and ‘soft coverage’ and ‘lack of grit’ in playing defense.

I think the Oilers should do themselves and these young (mostly college) players a favor and stay away from them. Don’t draft these guys, be they Tom Poti or Jeff Petry, and don’t trade for them (Tom Gilbert) or sign them as free agents (Justin Schultz) because it’s pretty clear this player type has a ceiling that doesn’t match the NHL market opinion. Jeff Petry is leaving at least partly because the ask is too large (is my guess) and Edmonton is really in a bad way now because they’ve spent all this time developing him for another team.

It would have been far better for them to stay the course with Theo Peckham—absolutely a better fit style wise—and teach that young man about discipline in other areas. Players aren’t perfect, there’s always going to be something, but these development at-bats have to count, they just do. If you make a list today of all the defensemen Edmonton drafted since 2000 and how many Oiler games they played before leaving, it’s a disconcerting trend:

  • Doug Lynch 2
  • Ales Pisa 50
  • Matt Greene 151 (549)
  • Mikko Luoma 3
  • Mathieu Roy 30
  • Bryan Young 17
  • Taylor Chorney 59
  • Danny Syvret 26
  • Jeff Petry 281
  • Theo Peckham 160
  • Alex Plante 10
  • Johan Motin 1
  • Martin Marincin 56
  • Brandon Davidson 4
  • Oscar Klefbom 41
  • Darnell Nurse 2

Now, they had some bad luck and that’s for sure. Doug Lynch had a hand injury, Theo Peckham had a weight issue and the scouts absolutely blew the Alex Plante selection. However, in the case of Matt Greene and (now) Jeff Petry the club put in lots of development time and then sent away a perfectly good hockey player just as he was turning the corner. You shouldn’t do that, it isn’t smart.

I think the Oilers should avoid those finesse guys. Sure there’s going to be a Nick Lidstrom that gets passed over but when you can bring in a physical player that’s probably the better plan for Edmonton management. When said player has paid his dues, management will be more likely to give that player going rate. Right? I think they will.

NURSE, KLEFBOM AND MARINCIN

The good news is that new hires are on the way. Darnell Nurse has 2 games, Klefbom has 41 (and counting) so it’s only going to be another 250 games or so before these young men are able to handle themselves as young veterans. It’s a big deal. We can’t snap our fingers and make these guys into veterans and we can’t snap our fingers and make Jeff Petry or Martin Marincin a more physical player.

And, apparently, there is absolutely no in-between.

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  1. Henry says:

    I believe that Jeff Petry is just as physical as Marc Fayne and more physical than Justin Schultz. There is no other right shot option. None of them fight or look to crosscheck Zack Parise in the face.

    Letting him go without an offer is stupid unless there is a plan for a better right hand shooting defenseman behind him. Do they want to draft first in 2016?

  2. Black Frank says:

    Why do we care anyway.

  3. RexLibris says:

    Sounds like “if you’re going to insist of drinking too much, at least spend the money on good alcohol and for Pete’s sake call a cab to come home” kind of advice.

    We’ve tried telling them to smarten up, tried to leave them alone and hope they’ll discover the error of their ways, now we’re just hoping to limit the damage done.

    Why does the team that built it’s entire identity around Wayne Gretzky adopt such a backward, cro-magnon mentality?

  4. sliderule says:

    Is there some sort of master plan that we haven’t figured out.

    Do they already have McEichel or Marner /Strome and Austin Mathews penciled into lineup.

    The cap issues with all the high picks the oilers accumulate are either scaring them or making them lunatics.

    That is why they can’t sign Petry.

    You figure it out.

  5. Cobbler says:

    If the Oilers cherish physical d-men then my concern is that only 1 of the 3 (Nurse) on the way would currently seem to qualify.

    Also I thought Plante largely “failed” due to injury issues and not necessarily a blown pick by the scouts or poor development.

  6. Woodguy says:

    Risaug said on the morning show today that:

    1) Petry won’t sign for a discount in EDM (admitted he hadn’t talked to Petry directly, so my guess on how he comes to this conclusion is that someone in Kingsway told him so)

    2) A player like Petry on a non-value contract in Edmonton is bad news because the fans will turn on him. Doesn’t hit (but he does, and hard), doesn’t fight (neither do 85% of Dmen, but who cares right?), so Edmonton fans will turn on him.

    3) Oilers recognize that Petry is good, but not the right fit for the market and are holding out for a 2nd round pick for him, but nobody’s offered that much yet.

    Basically everything you said.

    This management deserves what’s coming and its going to be more pain from being awful next year as well because believe it or not, the Dcorps is actually going to be worse.

    They just don’t get it.

    Goldfish.

    “Hey look! A castle!”

  7. Lowetide says:

    Cobbler:
    If the Oilers cherish physical d-men then my concern is that only 1 of the 3 (Nurse) on the way would currently seem to qualify.

    Also I thought Plante largely “failed” due to injury issues and not necessarily a blown pick by the scouts or poor development.

    He couldn’t skate. Terrible pick.

  8. Cobbler says:

    Lowetide,

    Yes that’s true but plante had several concussions during his prime development years that likely served to limit his chances at improvement.

    Agree with you that the org. Should have recognized the footspeed issues at that point in the draft.

  9. godot10 says:

    1) If the Oilers win the McDavid lottery, he can play in the NHL next year.
    2) If the Oilers finish last and get Eichel, if Eichel wants to go back to college for a year, let him (didn’t hurt Toews)
    3) If the Oilers fall out of the top two,
    a) best option, auction off Hanifan
    b) draft Hanifan, and send him back to college
    c) draft a centre, and send him back to junior.
    4) Draisaitl and Nurse start in the AHL and have to be too good for the league before calling them up.

    Only McDavid or Eichel should be viewed as NHL possibilities next year. Draisaitl, Nurse start in the AHL. Any other draft pick gets sent back to college or junior.

    It is up to the blogosphere to force this thinking on OilerNation, and it sneaks into Kingsway by osmosis.

    Bonus meme: SIGN PETRY.

  10. Ryan says:

    Woodguy,

    I heard Risaug today too. He certainly sounded dialed in with some info, so I would tend to agree with you.

    He likened Petry to a Horcoff or Gillbert situation. Doesn’t hit, fight or post enough offense to justify a big contract. Iirc, he specifically mentioned 5.25 million. He then said sure, if you can get Petry at 5x$4m , you do it…but he won’t sign for that.

  11. Lowetide says:

    Cobbler:
    Lowetide,

    Yes that’s true but plante had several concussions during his prime development years that likely served to limit his chances at improvement.

    Agree with you that the org. Should have recognized the footspeed issues at that point in the draft.

    Yep, agreed.

  12. steveb12344 says:

    Woodguy:
    Risaug said on the morning show today that:

    1) Petry won’t sign for a discount in EDM (admitted he hadn’t talked to Petry directly, so my guess on how he comes to this conclusion is that someone in Kingsway told him so)

    2) A player like Petry on a non-value contract in Edmonton is bad news because the fans will turn on him.Doesn’t hit (but he does, and hard), doesn’t fight (neither do 85% of Dmen, but who cares right?), so Edmonton fans will turn on him.

    3) Oilers recognize that Petry is good, but not the right fit for the market and are holding out for a 2nd round pick for him, but nobody’s offered that much yet.

    Basically everything you said.

    This management deserves what’s coming and its going to be more pain from being awful next year as well because believe it or not, the Dcorps is actually going to be worse.

    They just don’t get it.

    Goldfish.

    “Hey look! A castle!”

    What is the most you would be willing to pay him, and what if his agent is asking for significantly more? What do you do?

  13. Woodguy says:

    steveb12344: What is the most you would be willing to pay him, and what if his agent is asking for significantly more?What do you do?

    You don’t let it get to this point.

    Risaug pointed this out too

    Most teams re-sign a player in this situation longer term after their 1st RFA contract.

    Tambellini started the fuck up when he signed him for 2 years in 2012.

    It was exactly the contract you don’t sign with your RFA’s as it essentially makes them a FA since they have arb rights in that last RFA year.

    MacT compounded that massive Tambo error by only going one year last year.

    Even two years would have been better, but nope.

    I’m sure they need his roster spot for someone who isn’t near the player because that’s what EDM does every year since 2007.

    Goldfish.

  14. LadiesloveSmid says:

    steveb12344: What is the most you would be willing to pay him, and what if his agent is asking for significantly more?What do you do?

    I would probably go up to 5.5. I doubt Petry wants more, doesn’t seem like the type.

    Unless Petry desperately wants out, which is a whole other bad bad issue in itself, there’s no reason re signing him shouldn’t be priority #1. Nurse, Klefbom, Schultz in the top 4 next year means top 3 pick again!! MacT may not be the man for the job. Urrggg

  15. steveb12344 says:

    Woodguy: You don’t let it get to this point.

    Risaug pointed this out too

    Most teams re-sign a player in this situation longer term after their 1st RFA contract.

    Tambellini started the fuck up when he signed him for 2 years in 2012.

    It was exactly the contract you don’t sign with your RFA’s as it essentially makes them a FA since they have arb rights in that last RFA year.

    MacT compounded that massive Tambo error by only going one year last year.

    Even two years would have been better, but nope.

    I’m sure they need his roster spot for someone who isn’t near the player because that’s what EDM does every year since 2007.

    Goldfish.

    I agree with you that it never should have got to this point. They blew it for sure.

    That doesn’t change the fact that we are here. So what do you do? Do you just cave to his agent and pay him whatever he wants, even if it is much more than you’re willing to give him?

  16. Woodguy says:

    steveb12344: I agree with you that it never should have got to this point.They blew it for sure.

    That doesn’t change the fact that we are here.So what do you do?Do you just cave to his agent and pay him whatever he wants, even if it is much more than you’re willing to give him?

    I don’t know what he wants.

    I probably keep him $5.25 or less x 4 years.

    $5.5 makes me go hmmmmmm for a long time and $5.75 makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

  17. steveb12344 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: I would probably go up to 5.5. I doubt Petry wants more, doesn’t seem like the type.

    Unless Petry desperately wants out, which is a whole other bad bad issue in itself, there’s no reason re signing him shouldn’t be priority #1. Nurse, Klefbom, Schultz in the top 4 next year means top 3 pick again!! MacT may not be the man for the job. Urrggg

    You would pay him 5.5. Wow!

    I don’t see how he could ever live up to that contract, and I assure you that even if he isn’t the type, his agent is.

  18. Mr DeBakey says:

    Don’t forget they traded for Teubert too

  19. steveb12344 says:

    Woodguy: I don’t know what he wants.

    I probably keep him $5.25 or less x 4 years.

    $5.5 makes me go hmmmmmm for a long time and $5.75 makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

    Fair enough. For me it would have to be under 5, but you’re right. We don’t know what the ask is.

  20. TemujinBC says:

    Off-Topic but I just heard Brad May say that he likes the Carcillo Cross-check. Didn’t think it was worth 6 games. Said for the Blackhawks losing him is “the cost of doing business” for what he brings to the team.

    Somewhere Bruce McCurdy’s head just exploded.

  21. Lowetide says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Don’t forget they traded for Teubert too

    And Woywitka!

  22. godot10 says:

    Woodguy:

    Tambellini started the fuck up when he signed him for 2 years in 2012.

    It was exactly the contract you don’t sign with your RFA’s as it essentially makes them a FA since they have arb rights in that last RFA year.

    Petry had 1.5 years of NHL experience when Tambellini signed him to that 2-year bargain transitional contract. Petry was 3-years away from UFA at that point.

    Tambellini either signs him to 2-years or he sort of has to sign him for 6 years. But how can both sides possibly agree on a number for a 6-year contract after only 1.5 years of Petry.

    It is MacT that screwed up last summer. The market for legit 2nd pairing UFA years is $5 million something for D entering their prime.

  23. book¡je says:

    Facetious LT makes me saddest of all.

  24. LadiesloveSmid says:

    steveb12344: You would pay him 5.5.Wow!

    I don’t see how he could ever live up to that contract, and I assure you that even if he isn’t the type, his agent is.

    Best Dman on the team, really just cannot afford to lose him. Gotta transition Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin when they’re ready, not rush them because they don’t have any quality Dmen to block them or at the very least quality experienced Dmen to help them with that transition.

    EDM won’t be able to sign anyone better in FA. If the D gets worse than the league worst it is right now, I don’t see a way out of the gutter in the near future

  25. LadiesloveSmid says:

    godot10: Petry had 1.5 years of NHL experience when Tambellini signed him to that 2-year bargain transitional contract.Petry was 3-years away from UFA at that point.

    Tambellini either signs him to 2-years or he sort of has to sign him for 6 years.But how can both sides possibly agree on a number for a 6-year contract after only 1.5 years of Petry.

    It is MacT that screwed up last summer.The market for legit 2nd pairing UFA years is $5 million something for D entering their prime.

    Market for legit 2nd pair guy is 5M, what about to keep one in Edmonton of all places? This is why I’d go as high as 5.5

    How would his 5.5 compare to Myers/Staal/Niskanen or the 6+M Boychuk will get

  26. Woodguy says:

    steveb12344: You would pay him 5.5.Wow!

    I don’t see how he could ever live up to that contract, and I assure you that even if he isn’t the type, his agent is.

    How can you assure about his agent?

    Do you know him?

    I don’t know who his agent is.

    I do know his Dad was a professional athlete so understands more than most.

  27. Ryan says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    In the offseason, Bob Stauffer kept mentioning moving Nikitin over to the right side. You’d have to think that theirplan was

    Norris
    Fayne
    Nikitin

    For the right side… +/- Boychuck as a fallback plan.

    Now, I’m not so sure what their plan is…

    If it’s

    Norris
    Fayne
    ference

    lordy.

  28. Woodguy says:

    godot10: Petry had 1.5 years of NHL experience when Tambellini signed him to that 2-year bargain transitional contract.Petry was 3-years away from UFA at that point.

    Tambellini either signs him to 2-years or he sort of has to sign him for 6 years.But how can both sides possibly agree on a number for a 6-year contract after only 1.5 years of Petry.

    It is MacT that screwed up last summer.The market for legit 2nd pairing UFA years is $5 million something for D entering their prime.

    That’s fair, but one year is an option there too.

  29. Woodguy says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Don’t forget they traded for Teubert too

    One of my favorite Tambellini moments is the Penner trade presser and v4.0 is up there all smiles talking about how the trade will help the future and how awesome Tuebert will be for the Oilers.

    Terry Jones asks him about the fact that Tuebert was HS’d a bunch recently (including the night before) in the AHL and v4.0 just blanks out.

    Doesn’t even say a bunch of nothing to say something, just all circuits shorted and he stared at Jones for a bit with his mouth slightly open and you could hear a pin drop.

    Excellent hire by Lowe.

    Top drawer.

  30. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Ryan:
    LadiesloveSmid,

    In the offseason, Bob Stauffer kept mentioning moving Nikitin over to the right side.You’d have to think that there plan was

    Norris
    Fayne
    Nikitin

    For the right side… +/- Boychuck as a fallback plan.

    Now, I’m not so sure what they’re plan is…

    If it’s

    Norris
    Fayne
    ference

    lordy.

    that’s what I’m most afraid of. Get some of Nikitin’s money off the books with a buyout then the 5.5 doesn’t seem so bad!!

    Klefbom-Jultz
    Ference-Nikitin
    Nurse-Fayne

    just a nightmare waiting to happen

  31. Woodguy says:

    steveb12344,

    You would pay him 5.5. Wow!

    No, it makes me go hmmmmmm for a long time.

    C$ dropping means the cap isn’t going up as much.

  32. spoiler says:

    What about the Nikitin deal?

    How much easier would it be to pay Petry if instead we had kept the draft pick (and took Tkachev for eg) and signed Corey Potter or some other Dman of his ilk? A Fistric type perhaps.

    How much of Petry’s money is Nikki eating?

    I know they wanted his big shot from the blue line on the PP to pair with Schultz’s passing ability, but Howson got every other thing about Nikitin wrong: health, skating ability, hockey sense… And how much to pay him.

    I figger once they traded the pick, his agent knew he had hand on the Oilers with the optics of coming away with not signing him, and used that hand to take the Oiler negotiator (likely Howson) out behind the woodshed and spank him.

    That is one expensive fucking slap shot. Fired and inspired from fucking slap stick.

    Speaking of fired, I don’t see Howson surviving the purge. They’ll tie a bell round his neck and kick him out into the wilderness, scapegoat for the whole tribe.

  33. jimmers2 says:

    TemujinBC,

    I’d say that Brad May knows a bit about the cost of that kind of business. Here is a reminder (Go Georges Go!):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fZFJZjWJbg

    I wonder how many games Brad May won with his act.

  34. spoiler says:

    Woodguy:
    steveb12344,

    You would pay him 5.5. Wow!

    No, it makes me go hmmmmmm for a long time.

    C$ dropping means the cap isn’t going up as much.

    Also means salaries paid in USD are becoming more expensive for Canadian revenue teams..

  35. spoiler says:

    Ryan:
    LadiesloveSmid,

    In the offseason, Bob Stauffer kept mentioning moving Nikitin over to the right side.You’d have to think that there plan was

    Norris
    Fayne
    Nikitin

    For the right side… +/- Boychuck as a fallback plan.

    Now, I’m not so sure what they’re plan is…

    If it’s

    Norris
    Fayne
    ference

    lordy.

    I hear ya. I predicted as much to LT the other day. That the Oiler fallback plan is to run Nikitin at RD.

    Unfortunately that will mean he is either covering for a kid in Nurse or Bomba, or an old folks in Ference.

    I don’t think either Buffalo or Arizona understand the importance of long-term thinking to successful tank battling.

  36. VanOil says:

    godot10:
    1) If the Oilers win the McDavid lottery, he can play in the NHL next year.
    2) If the Oilers finish last and get Eichel, if Eichel wants to go back to college for a year, let him (didn’thurt Toews)
    3) If the Oilers fall out of the top two,
    a) best option, auction off Hanifan
    b) draft Hanifan, and send him back to college
    c) draft a centre, and send him back to junior.
    4) Draisaitl and Nurse start in the AHL and have to be too good for the league before calling them up.

    Only McDavid or Eichel should be viewed as NHL possibilities next year.Draisaitl, Nurse start in the AHL.Any other draft pick gets sent back to college or junior.

    It is up to the blogosphere to force this thinking on OilerNation, and it sneaks into Kingsway by osmosis.

    Bonus meme: SIGN PETRY.

    I agree with this. I wish I had any faith in it happening.

  37. fifthcartel says:

    I think there’s a more than likely chance they buy out Niktin. With Petry heading out leaving –

    X-Schultz
    Klefbom-Fayne
    Ference-X

    I bet Marincin goes too, and maybe Davidson or Aulie make it on the bottom pair or as the #7.

    That’s a very scary defense.

    edit- Oh wait! I forgot about Nurse. That probably fills the spot with Ference, and Ference probably moves over to the right side. I’d be surprised if Nurse spent any amount of time in the AHL.

  38. supernova says:

    Woodguy:
    Risaug said on the morning show today that:

    1) Petry won’t sign for a discount in EDM (admitted he hadn’t talked to Petry directly, so my guess on how he comes to this conclusion is that someone in Kingsway told him so)

    2) A player like Petry on a non-value contract in Edmonton is bad news because the fans will turn on him.Doesn’t hit (but he does, and hard), doesn’t fight (neither do 85% of Dmen, but who cares right?), so Edmonton fans will turn on him.

    3) Oilers recognize that Petry is good, but not the right fit for the market and are holding out for a 2nd round pick for him, but nobody’s offered that much yet.

    Basically everything you said.

    This management deserves what’s coming and its going to be more pain from being awful next year as well because believe it or not, the Dcorps is actually going to be worse.

    They just don’t get it.

    Goldfish.

    “Hey look! A castle!”

    Woodguy,

    I find Rishaugs comments to be very accurate.

    The edmonton fans tend to love certain types of players but hate others. Very one sided In their views of players.

    Oiler management seems to be caught up on certain types of players specifiically under MacT and Lowe’s time a GM. It seems like either they get the exact type of player of they don’t do anything.

    Lots of times I see that current management and their Myopic views are very similar to the majority of fans.

    I defended Hemsky, Horcoff, Gilbert and Poti, on blogs or in person or both for years.

    People blamed the above for the issues of the team and not for management of surrounding them with better players and moving them down the totem pole. Where they overpaid ? Sure, maybe but it doesn’t matter because they weren’t utilizied to their place on a team.

    It seems the majority of fans don’t crave asset management, and neither does oiler management.

    Seems a good fit for the majority.

    I see (like many of us here) signing Petry as a asset management plan. I do think Rishaug was right when he stated Petry would be a big target of fans with a $5 million plus contract. He would be the new
    Horcoff.

    Signing Petry also protects the younger assets, which is where management continually fails. Trying to develop the majority of players inside the NHL instead of elsewhere. The NHL should only be a development For the elite at their age. The 1%

    I can readily admit I am not a huge Petry fan, but the fact is he does make us better. He is the best we currently have.

  39. supernova says:

    spoiler: Also means salaries paid in USD are becoming more expensive for Canadian revenue teams..

    True, but they know their business and Oilers are in the top third of profitable teams.

  40. VanOil says:

    The Sabres look to be a lock to finish DFL.

    Second worst seems to be a battle between Arizona and the Oilers. Arizona is making a mighty mid season push and have traded away there best goal tender but the Oilers have past form and spotted Arizona 10 points in the season series. If Arizona can over come that it will be impressive.

    Carolina seems to in the clear now that there injuries have cleared up. Everyone else seems to far ahead.

  41. El Duderino says:

    But for years all we’ve heard from the Oilers is that they need a puck moving d-man or two or three. These usually are “skilled” guys who can skate and pass the puck but aren’t tough and rough. So now what?

  42. Woodguy says:

    Just heard Craig Ramsay on Ched.

    He was asked about Jultz and said (paraphrased):

    “Its just a matter of learning how to play well without the puck”

    “Offensive guys who’ve always had the puck don’t really know how to get it back and its important to get it back.”

    Also,

    Talked about his own All Star game and how Moose Dupont tried to run him during the game.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=1490

    6’1″ 200lbs and was “Moose” and racked up the PIMS.

    RNH is listed at 6’1″ 185 and he’s a skinny kid.

    Things change eh?

  43. RexLibris says:

    Let’s go back to Tom Gilbert’s 4 year deal that gave him, I think, a $4.25 million per year cap hit.

    People freaked out at the time, my belief was that based on how he played, by the final two years of the that contract he would cover the bet.

    His eventual buyout was due to Dany Heatley (who miraculously found a way to screw over a team that had traded for an Oiler! Man, that guy has a vendetta against us!), but his play was solid that first year in Minnesota, so I think it is fair to say that he managed to deliver on that contract.

    Petry for five years at $5.25, or even $5.5 million a year (by cap hit) I would argue is a similar situation.

    He would hit 30 during the peak of that contract and he is a big, durable, puck-moving RD.

    Every single logical step suggests that the Edmonton Oilers need Jeff Petry for the foreseeable future.

    The Oilers disagree with that assessment.

    Goldfish.

    Hamsters.

    Donkeys?

  44. Woodguy says:

    supernova: Woodguy,

    I find Rishaugs comments to be very accurate.

    The edmonton fans tend to love certain types of players but hate others. Very one sided In their views of players.

    Oiler management seems to be caught up on certain types of players specifiically under MacT and Lowe’s time a GM. It seems like either they get the exact type of player of they don’t do anything.

    Lots of times I see that current management and their Myopic views are very similar to the majority of fans.

    I defended Hemsky, Horcoff, Gilbert and Poti, on blogs or in person or both for years.

    People blamed the above for the issues of the team and not for management of surrounding them with better players and moving them down the totem pole. Where they overpaid ? Sure, maybe but it doesn’t matter because they weren’t utilizied to their place on a team.

    It seems the majority of fans don’t crave asset management, and neither does oiler management.

    Seems a good fit for the majority.

    I see (like many of us here) signing Petry as a asset management plan. I do think Rishaug was right when he stated Petry would be a big target of fans with a $5 million plus contract. He would be the new
    Horcoff.

    Signing Petry also protects the younger assets, which is where management continually fails. Trying to develop the majority of players inside the NHL instead of elsewhere. The NHL should only be a development For the elite at their age. The 1%

    I can readily admit I am not a huge Petry fan, but the fact is he does make us better. He is the best we currently have.

    Very well stated and spot on.

    RIsaug seems to have the goods.

    Was wrong about Hemsky re-signing, but has hit above average since then.

  45. Zelepukin says:

    supernova: The edmonton fans tend to love certain types of players but hate others. Very one sided In their views of players.

    I disagree, we just hate players that play horrible. No one really hates Petry this year, because guess what, he isn’t playing that bad. There was a time when he wasn’t our best d-man and consistently made a lot of bonehead mistakes, that even the most average fan would notice. This is why Garbagekov was a thing, this is why Jultzing is a thing and why NN is a double agent.

    supernova: I defended Hemsky, Horcoff, Gilbert and Poti, on blogs or in person or both for years.

    All of these players had issues and to be fair, were all released when we had enough. Horcoff is probably the only one who had the added negative fan treatment due to his contract asking more of him than he would ever be capable of fulfilling.

  46. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    Just heard Craig Ramsay on Ched.

    He was asked about Jultz and said (paraphrased):

    “Its just a matter of learning how to play well without the puck”

    “Offensive guys who’ve always had the puck don’t really know how to get it back and its important to get it back.”

    Also,

    Talked about his own All Star game and how Moose Dupont tried to run him during the game.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=1490

    6’1″ 200lbs and was “Moose” and racked up the PIMS.

    RNH is listed at 6’1″ 185 and he’s a skinny kid.

    Things change eh?

    Kind of puts Joel Otto’s 6’4″, 220lbs into perspective as well.

    Man was, is and may always be a beast of a player. Not Byfuglien/Chara size, but still a damned big man on skates.

  47. RexLibris says:

    Carolina up on Toronto 3-0 at the end of the 2nd.

    Those Hurricanes can’t seem to get it right. You’re supposed to lose now.

    Look at Philly, they scored four but had the poise to give up seven.

    That’s ELPH!

  48. Mr DeBakey says:

    I heard today on “Lowetide Speaks!” someone commenting about Hall.
    About how sad he looks.

    What would Shauger be saying if Hall twas Czech?

  49. VanOil says:

    I disagree with the premise that Oilers fans are not willing to accept Defenders of Petry’s type.

    Was it true in the past, absolutely. They were run out of town quickly. But, by the time the Oilers got rid of Gilbert a lot of dissenting voices could be heard.

    Now, I feel the majority of Oilers fans recognize that Petry is the Oilers best Defense man. The majority also feel the Oilers should resign him. Yes, there is a very vocal minority that dislike Petry and his player type. Sadly, this group still has prominent members in Management and the MSM but times are changing and one day hopefully Management will too.

    The Oilers have the most informed hockey fan base in the world, thanks to places like this. We are the majority now. Don’t let the MSM hacks click/comment baiting ignorance fool you, they know where Oilers fans get there information from and are lashing out for there careers.

  50. Woodguy says:

    Was just reading the trade deadline day thread when Penner got traded: http://lowetide.blogspot.ca/2011/02/trade-deadline-2011.html?m=1

    There’s a lot of good stuff there.

    I was really pissed off because now the Oilers won’t make the playoff until spring 2014!!

    Ahh, we were young.

  51. Woodguy says:

    VanOil:
    I disagree with the premise that Oilers fans are not willing to accept Defenders of Petry’s type.

    Was it true in the past, absolutely. They were run out of town quickly. But, by the time the Oilers got rid of Gilbert a lot of dissenting voices could be heard.

    Now, I feel the majority of Oilers fans recognize that Petry is the Oilers best Defense man. The majority also feel the Oilers should resign him. Yes, there is a very vocal minority that dislike Petry and his player type. Sadly, this group still has prominent members in Management and the MSM but times are changing and one day hopefully Management will too.

    The Oilers have the most informed hockey fan base in the world, thanks to places like this. We are the majority now. Don’t let the MSM hacks click/comment baiting ignorance fool you, they know where Oilers fans get there information from and are lashing out for there careers.

    Good stuff.

    “Petry will get killed by the fans” is narrative building so grease his way out of town with the fans.

    He’s their best Dman and they aren’t even trying to sign him.

    Assholes.

  52. Bank Shot says:

    Tarnstrom
    Tjarnqvist
    Smid (Was total finesse as a rookie)
    Gilbert
    Syvret
    Grebeshkov(x2)
    Chorney
    Visnovsky
    Ryan Whitney
    Nick Schultz
    Justin Schultz
    Larsen
    Marincin
    Gernat

    I don’t know. For a management group that supposedly doesn’t like soft defensemen, they have sure went out and acquired a whole bunch of them since Lowe took over.

    I get that the fans and the media get on soft players, but I don’t think that has really dictated who leaves town to management.

    Let’s face it. Oilers management just ships every player type out of town. I don’t think soft or gritty has anything to do with it. They traded away Smith, Staios, Grrene, Hejda, etc. etc.

    Vets out, rookies in on the endless rebuild treadmill.

  53. VanOil says:

    Woodguy: they aren’t even trying to sign him.
    Assholes.

    Yep. They planned it ahead time, have seen there plan fail repeatedly and spectacularly and have stuck with the plan. Assholes.

  54. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Critical 4 point game tonight, potentially between LA and Calgary. GO KINGS GO!

    Otherwise, the only thing I have to add at the moment is that Boychuk is highly unlikely to come here. Arthur Staple, most reliable Islanders MSM guy says they’re working out a mega deal. 6 years at 6+ MM type.

    I don’t think he’s coming here. So the fallback plan is crickets…or goldfish or hamsters or whatever.

    We discussed it with respect to Nikitin vs. Stralman. The Oilers went for Nikitin for two years because they wanted to leave room for Nurse, Schultz, Klefbom, perhaps Marincin–thought that’s debatable these days.

    Don’t forget that the Oilers’ MO is not to season kids in the AHL and retain or sign quality veterans at the NHL level. Instead of having the kids fight and win the job from the vets, freeing the GM up to trade the vet away, the Oilers instead let their vets walk and gift the slot to the kids.

    We’ve seen this how often? Brodziak anyone? Horcoff? Hemsky? (I love Yak, but boy was he not ready for 2 RW). Gilbert? Perry is just next in line.And Nikitin is after that. Those slots are kept warm for the kids who may or may not be ready, but that’s irrelevant here in Oiler Land.

  55. supernova says:

    Zelepukin: I disagree, we just hate players that play horrible. No one really hates Petry this year, because guess what, he isn’t playing that bad. There was a time when he wasn’t our best d-man and consistently made a lot of bonehead mistakes, that even the most average fan would notice. This is why Garbagekov was a thing, this is why Jultzing is a thing and why NN is a double agent.

    Thanks for making my point on this item. “We just hate players that play Horrible”

    I listed four players who could be considered to have longer than average careers, but were targets of fans in edmonton.

    I think everybody agrees on the mistakes of grebby and NN.

    Petry has already in the past been a target of fans, Petry came into vogue only this year when fans learned he could leave as a young UFA. Last year in the stands and at bars you could get Into dozens of conversations defending petry.

    All of these players had issues and to be fair, were all released when we had enough. Horcoff is probably the only one who had the added negative fan treatment due to his contract asking more of him than he would ever be capable of fulfilling.

    If Hemsky was your 3rd option to create Offence in his prime people would have regarded him differently.

    Agree on Horcoff. You could argue Ryan O’Rielly is the new Horcoff. Already overpaid but his skills and attributes are much desired in the right role.

    Gilbert took grief before and after contract and acknowledged it to the media after being traded.

    Poti was heckled loud and clear from the stands and everywhere.

    Those aren’t players who played horrible.

  56. rickithebear says:

    oilers started: 4-4-1
    then went 3-18-6 toronto coach/Mact
    4-4-2 under nelson 26 GF 28 GA Nelson

    toronto has just gone
    3-13-0

    1-8-0 last 9
    6GF – 30 GA in 8 losses
    5-2 W

    1.22 GF
    3.56 GA

    If MacT is the problem after 18 months.
    The sudden turnaround is his.
    He needs to be given a chance to continue the rise!

    Shanahan is an Embarrasment!

  57. supernova says:

    VanOil:
    I disagree with the premise that Oilers fans are not willing to accept Defenders of Petry’s type.

    Was it true in the past, absolutely. They were run out of town quickly. But, by the time the Oilers got rid of Gilbert a lot of dissenting voices could be heard.

    Now, I feel the majority of Oilers fans recognize that Petry is the Oilers best Defense man. The majority also feel the Oilers should resign him. Yes, there is a very vocal minority that dislike Petry and his player type. Sadly, this group still has prominent members in Management and the MSM but times are changing and one day hopefully Management will too.

    The Oilers have the most informed hockey fan base in the world, thanks to places like this. We are the majority now. Don’t let the MSM hacks click/comment baiting ignorance fool you, they know where Oilers fans get there information from and are lashing out for there careers.

    VanOil,

    Fair points.

    I think even LT. would agree that even his readership is likely growing places like this hardly echo the majority of the fan base.

    Go to Hudsons or Molson house on game days, ride the LRT to and from the game.

    Talk at your local Timmies about the oilers or a local watering hole, I could go on and on.

    I read a media release that estimates that 125,000 take in the average game.

    I love this site but hardly think this site even if the open was unanimous would come anywhere close to majority.

    Heck even read the comment section on other blogs and you wonder if you are watching the same te at times.

  58. supernova says:

    supernova:

    Not sure what happened here but I did respond.

  59. rich says:

    VanOil: Yep. They planned it ahead time, have seen there plan fail repeatedly and spectacularly and have stuck with the plan. Assholes.

    Perfect summation of Oilers asset management.

    Spend $4.5 million on Nikitin who has the mobility of a lamp post.

    Send Petry out because you can’t have too many d-men making over $4 million.

    MacT, Howson and Lowe deserve every bit of anger for screwing up asset management.

    I am predicting right now this team will not make the playoffs for at least 4 more years if the 3 Stooges are allowed to remain in their present jobs.

    Book it.

  60. SwedishPoster says:

    Yeah I don’t really see the narrative, this word has gotten its own meaning around these parts, that the reason fans don’t like Petry is because he is soft. Sure there will always be people who consider everyone who isn’t Semenko soft but with Petry I find the main complaints being bad giveaways, occasional brain farts and lack of offense. Rarely softness, that was Gilberts thing. And management has sure chased a lot of non-physical players for a group only loving bruisers.

    I’d love to keep Petry but I wouldn’t feel comfortable paying him big dollars on a longer term.

  61. Woodguy says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Soft is all you hear around Petry.

    Gregor said it about him about 10,000 times in the last 3 years.

    He’s come around on him this year, but the majority of the fanbase hasn’t.

    Back when Spector was on the radio it was the same thing.

    Supernova nailed it in his comment above.

  62. Bling says:

    Management’s job isn’t to appease obnoxious “fans”, it is to build a winner.

    On the other hand, Craig MacTavish’s job, ostensibly, is to seal the pores in his scalp with enough hair gel to prevent all the hot air from leaking out.

    Petry is a fantastic Dman by eye and by the numbers who deserves to get paid market value.

    I don’t know how many times MacTavish has to repeat the Ladislav Smid as a 19 year old routine before he clues in to Newton’s 4th law: young players will break your heart.

    Darnell Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin…if these guys become Jeff Petry, we’d be thrilled!

    And how’s that for a depressing truth that doubles as a kick in the nuts?

    Truth is, MacTavish is a fraud.

    He was stubborn as a mule in his player valuations as a coach, and is now as stubborn as a dead mule with rigour mortis in the middle of an ice storm in his player valuations as a GM.

    If MacTavish was Voldemort, Justin Schultz would be every single god damn one of his horcruxes. However, unlike the real Potter universe, in the Oilers universe it’s impossible to destroy them, Harry Potter (Taylor Hall) has his soul devoured at the beginning of the second book, and Dumbledore (Katz) puts on the invisibility cloak and never bothers (forgets?) to take it off.

    I wish Craig could help himself, but what Craig actually needs is to go to the Bahamas and use his Queen’s MBA to con tourists instead of cheating us long suffering fans.

    When is this guy going to retire?

    Craig hanging on this long reminds me of the scene in Terminator 1 where Arnold keeps getting blown up and impaled and cut in half, until finally it’s just scraps of metal chasing Sarah Connor around.

    Craig MacTavish, right now, is scraps of metal, i.e. pieces of garbage.

  63. gmac2412 says:

    So the Islanders and Garth Snow (who everyone seemed to love to mock last year, but is now apparently a genius) are reportedly looking at a $6m x 6 years mega deal for Boychuk who is 30 years old. Why is no body looking at a 6 year deal for Petry who is younger and arguably in a better place to physically be able to play out the contract?

    Would $4.5m-$5m x 6 years do it?

  64. Bling says:

    Woodguy:
    SwedishPoster,

    Soft is all you hear around Petry.

    Gregor said it about him about 10,000 times in the last 3 years.

    He’s come around on him this year, but the majority of the fanbase hasn’t.

    Back when Spector was on the radio it was the same thing.

    Supernova nailed it in his comment above.

    Who is Jason Gregor?

  65. dangilitis says:

    “However, in the case of Matt Greene … the club put in lots of development time and then sent away a perfectly good hockey player just as he was turning the corner. You shouldn’t do that, it isn’t smart.”

    Visnovsky as a return for Greene wasn’t smart?

  66. Woodguy says:

    Bling: Who is Jason Gregor?

    I didn’t say Jason Gregor, I said Gregor, so you know who he is.

  67. leadfarmer says:

    gmac2412,

    If u can get him to sign for 4.5 mil you better do it. At that number I would even put in a limited NTC. That’s Nikitin money.

  68. Big Dan says:

    I wonder if now’s the time to buy low on Phaneuf. He is getting shot at by captains, jerseys thrown at him, he’s getting the blame for everything.

    Is he overrated and overpaid? Yes. But he’s not going to get bought out.

    The Oilers desperately need a physical, puck moving, right shooting D. If the Leafs panic and decide to tear down, should MacT seize the opportunity to deal Schultz, Purcell, and a high pick for Phaneuf (not sure what the Leafs would accept)?

    I would. Then dealing Petry for a pick wouldn’t feel so bad.

  69. VanOil says:

    gmac2412: Would $4.5m-$5m x 6 years do it?

    If MacT sates as he trades away Petry for magic beans, “He turned down a $30M (or even $25M) contract because he wants to win / see what he is worth” I would be much more accepting of the strategy.

    It is better then “He is a good player but not the type we need” excuse that we are all expecting.

  70. VOR says:

    Lead Farmer,

    The problem is that we have no idea how much Petry wants, what the Oilers are offering, and even here on this blog we can’t agree how much the Oilers should be paying to keep Petry.

    Some people seem to think $5,500,000 might be reasonable, others say $5,000,000, you have offered up $4,500,000. This year the 40th highest paid Dman in the NHL made an average salary of $4,600,000 and 70th was $3,900,000. Petry, viewed dispassionately is probably somewhere in the range of the 40th through 70th best Dman in the NHL. Thus, he should be paid between $3,900,000 and $4,600,000.

    By the way, I think the Oilers should sign Petry, and long term. I believe he is a valuable piece moving forward and likely to be coming into his best years. However, I don’t think you should massively overpay to keep him. That never ends well.

  71. gmac2412 says:

    leadfarmer:
    gmac2412,

    If u can get him to sign for 4.5 mil you better do it.At that number I would even put in a limited NTC.That’s Nikitin money.

    Totally agree with you. I just keep seeing 4 years as a proposed contract offer and can’t help but think he will get 5 years plus in free agency from somewhere else. If you offer the extra year, maybe you can get him under $5m per year?

    Nikitin should be earning closer to the league minimum than $4.5m though!! 😉

  72. gmac2412 says:

    VanOil: If MacT sates as he trades away Petry for magic beans, “He turned down a $30M (or even $25M) contract because he wants to win / see what he is worth” I would be much more accepting of the strategy.

    It is better then “He is a good player but not the type we need” excuse that we are all expecting.

    The silence from MacT is deafening.

  73. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    VOR,

    According to Petry’s camp, if we believe them, there have been no talks. The Oilers haven’t approached them, let alone offered him even a lowball contract.

    Something doesn’t jive. Would love to be a fly on the wall on this one. Find out what’s really going on. Is it Petry asking for too much money or have the Oilers decided come hell or high water they are moving on so why bother.

  74. Doc Savage says:

    Woodguy: Was just reading the trade deadline day thread when Penner got traded: http://lowetide.blogspot.ca/2011/02/trade-deadline-2011.html?m=1

    There’s a lot of good stuff there.

    I was really pissed off because now the Oilers won’t make the playoff until spring 2014!!

    Ahh, we were young.

    Curious, what are your thoughts on the trade now, knowing how Penner turned out, how Klefbom is turning out and given where the Oilers ended up? Granted, at the time Klefbom was a magic bean, and could easily have amounted to nothing.

  75. book¡je says:

    Doc Savage: Curious, what are your thoughts on the trade now, knowing how Penner turned out, how Klefbom is turning out and given where the Oilers ended up?Granted, at the time Klefbom was a magic bean, and could easily have amounted to nothing.

    I thought it was a fine trade at the time (one of Tambellini’s few) and still think it was fine.

  76. Hammers says:

    Woodguy: I don’t know what he wants.

    I probably keep him $5.25 or less x 4 years.

    $5.5 makes me go hmmmmmm for a long time and $5.75 makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

    In other words 5 is your figure seeing the or less and I agree but would you go 5 years and not 4 I think that’s also a maybe .

  77. Hammers says:

    godot10: Petry had 1.5 years of NHL experience when Tambellini signed him to that 2-year bargain transitional contract.Petry was 3-years away from UFA at that point.

    Tambellini either signs him to 2-years or he sort of has to sign him for 6 years.But how can both sides possibly agree on a number for a 6-year contract after only 1.5 years of Petry.

    It is MacT that screwed up last summer.The market for legit 2nd pairing UFA years is $5 million something for D entering their prime.

    Not Gardiner similar player .

  78. book¡je says:

    Woodguy: Good stuff.

    “Petry will get killed by the fans” is narrative building so grease his way out of town with the fans.

    He’s their best Dman and they aren’t even trying to sign him.

    Assholes.

    I concur with your assessment. Oiler management drives the narratives in this town. Honestly, if Craig MacT and Kevin Lowe decide that they want the public to think that Yakupov has bad body language – they will pass it on to their employed voices – and in three weeks my brother in law will be telling me “That Yakupov has bad body language”

    The point is that if they want to keep Petry, they will change the narrative.

  79. MrEd says:

    Is Petry a 1RHD? No way.
    Fayne is a better (secured) option to Petry as a 2RHD.
    Therefore Petry is for sale.

    Fill the slots as you will gentlemen but don’t let your vile for management fill your head. Too many pundints are way ahead of you. I come here for reason and all things considered. Buck up LT. you’re way better than where the radio crowd is taking you.

    Our D is a mess. Petry for too much is not a part of the answer.

  80. delooper says:

    book¡je:
    Facetious LT makes me saddest of all.

    While optimistic yet far-too-smart-for-that LT always left me feeling like someday, the floor was going to collapse. And I wasn’t going to be ready for it.

  81. Lowetide says:

    Doc Savage: Curious, what are your thoughts on the trade now, knowing how Penner turned out, how Klefbom is turning out and given where the Oilers ended up?Granted, at the time Klefbom was a magic bean, and could easily have amounted to nothing.

    The issue was more about moving back the cluster than the return imo. You can keep trading David Perron’s for draft picks.

  82. Gerta Rauss says:

    Wideman with the walk off OT video review winner, Flames win 2-1 in LA

    Wow

  83. Gerta Rauss says:

    This Petry affair is upsetting

    The path forward seems so clear(signing Petry)

    I’m hopeful and yet a little ashamed because I should know better

  84. book¡je says:

    Lowetide: The issue was more about moving back the cluster than the return imo. You can keep trading David Perron’s for draft picks.

    … and at some point you will have all of the draft picks in the league and then, then they will rue the day they laughed at the Oilers!

  85. El Duderino says:

    book¡je,

    How does one change a narrative? After all it’s a report or a story. What do you mean?

  86. spoiler says:

    MrEd:
    Is Petry a 1RHD?No way.
    Fayne is a better (secured) option to Petry as a 2RHD.
    Therefore Petry is for sale.

    Fill the slots as you will gentlemen but don’t let your vile for management fill your head.Too many pundints are way ahead of you.I come here for reason and all things considered.Buck up LT. you’re way better than where the radio crowd is taking you.

    Our D is a mess. Petry for too much is not a part of the answer.

    This is a fairly reasonable point…. if Petry can be replaced, with better, but that remains to be seen and we haven’t seen it happen yet.

    It’s Anisimov, it’s Heatley, it’s having kids as back-up plans… it’s every white whale they have ever banked on–options disappear and the Oil are back to plan C or D.

    I can’t say MacT hasn’t been assertive. Since he’s been GM no one has made the number of moves he has, which tells me he would have made better moves and thus fewer moves, if they were available. And if they hadn’t shot themselves in the cap management foot.

    But surely we can do better than hope for a 2nd for Petry.

    The guy has more hits, better Corsi, than Staal… tougher zone starts than guys in the federal pen… 2nd best on the team in blocked shots… most goals for Dmen on the team… like what the hell do you want from the blueline?

    If Gibby was worth 4.25M back in the day, Petry is easily worth $5M now. And on top of it all, I think Petry is a better all-round Dman than Gilbert–but perhaps in the same class of D. Right-handed #4s that can play up the line up.. These guys get paid because they are not common.

    Step up, hamsters.

  87. PhrankLee says:

    Bling: Who is Jason Gregor?

    Lives under the low level bridge, horns, smells of sulfur…etc.

    You may recognize him from his appearances in such classics as

    Throw Petry From The Train (ing)

    Happy Jeff (went full retard)

  88. godot10 says:

    dangilitis:
    “However, in the case of Matt Greene … the club put in lots of development time and then sent away a perfectly good hockey player just as he was turning the corner. You shouldn’t do that, it isn’t smart.”

    Visnovsky as a return for Greene wasn’t smart?

    No. Stoll and Greene were just entering their mid-twenties prime. Visnovsky was on the wrong side of 30. Stanley Cup contenders and permanent contending teams are constructed around 25-30 year olds. Greene was also that physical D who actually semi-competent. And Stoll was the “Swiss-knife” of hockey players. Lots of little things. Faceoffs, PK, point on PP. Tough minute centre.

    Lowe and MacT make this mistake over and over again. Stoll, Greene, Torres, Pitkanen, Hejda, Glencross, and now Petry. Bad management create doughnut-hole teams, with too many young guys and too many old guys. That is MacT and Lowe since 2006.

  89. Woodguy says:

    Doc Savage: Curious, what are your thoughts on the trade now, knowing how Penner turned out, how Klefbom is turning out and given where the Oilers ended up?Granted, at the time Klefbom was a magic bean, and could easily have amounted to nothing.

    Pretty much what LT said.

    Its about kicking the can of competitiveness down the street a little further.

    Here we are 4 years later and Klef is just starting to contribute and that pick turned out a well as you could have hoped.

    If MacT trades the PIT pick in a package for a real NHLer I’ll like it a lot more.

    If they use the pick then the “Hall cluster” will be almost at the end of their contracts when that pick starts to be useful in the NHL.

  90. Ryan says:

    MrEd:
    Is Petry a 1RHD?No way.
    Fayne is a better (secured) option to Petry as a 2RHD.
    Therefore Petry is for sale.

    Fill the slots as you will gentlemen but don’t let your vile for management fill your head.Too many pundints are way ahead of you.I come here for reason and all things considered.Buck up LT. you’re way better than where the radio crowd is taking you.

    Our D is a mess. Petry for too much is not a part of the answer.

    If your point is that Petry’s superfluous and therefore for sale…

    Isn’t this an example of pretty piss poor asset management?

    Petry on an expiring contract isn’t enough yet to bring back a 2nd rounder.

    We’re talking a top 4 rhd with just under 300 NHL games of experience….

    If he had term on his contract and he was for sale, the return wouldn’t be this ugly.

    Bottom line, the Oilers are team that lacks actual NHL’ers and actual NHL dmen. They simply can’t afford to turn the ones they have into possible futures. But they do…

  91. GCW_69 says:

    When management won’t change, the correct strategy is to change management.

    I agree with those posters that do not blame Tambo for the Petry situation. In addition to his short tenure, which would have made it hard to agree on a long term contract, one of the other things Tambo was (rightly) trying to do was maximize contract and cap flexibility. The Petry deal was consistent with giving the team both.

    Unfortunately, MacT fucked up signing (or trading) Petry last summer, and he made a total mess of the contract / cap space. Chicago signs Campbell in his prime. Pittsburgh signs Gonchar in his prime. Fucking MacT signs Nikitin.

  92. Ca$h-Money! says:

    GCW_69,

    and Fayne, whom we were all saying was one of the top guys to go after in the off season, much like we were all pinning for Gordon the year before that.

  93. Woodguy says:

    MrEd:
    Is Petry a 1RHD?No way.
    Fayne is a better (secured) option to Petry as a 2RHD.
    Therefore Petry is for sale.

    Fill the slots as you will gentlemen but don’t let your vile for management fill your head.Too many pundints are way ahead of you.I come here for reason and all things considered.Buck up LT. you’re way better than where the radio crowd is taking you.

    Our D is a mess. Petry for too much is not a part of the answer.

    The problem is that they have Schultz slotted in the 1RD spot.

    When you’re building a team you should try to keep your best players and keep adding good players.

    EDM keeps letting their good players go and *hope* young players can fill their roles.

    Its been the same for 8 years now.

    I agree that Petry at $5MM is a nervous proposition, but the alternative is much worse.

    A very similar player to Petry signed last year for 4 years x $4.5 in Stralman.

    He “wasn’t a top pairing Dman” either.

    Except now that he’s with a bonafide 1LD in Hedman.

    Hedman’s never had such a great year and you keep hearing “we knew he was good, but not this good” about Stralman out of TBY.

    We’ll hear the same about Petry.

    “Mired on a bad team, no one knew Petry was this good”

    He’s not a 1RD on his own, but would be a very good compliment for a good 1LD and can anchor a 2nd pairing on his own.

    And he’s 27.

    And they’re letting him go.

    There is no positive way to spin this.

  94. PhrankLee says:

    Woodguy: And he’s 27.

    This is what kills me.

    5x5yrs and he is only 32 when it comes term! Still worth something at the twilight of his career.

    Squander.

    We simply squander talent.

  95. Henry says:

    Have any of the hard hitting reporters in Edmonton asked MacT on the record if he has started or considered negotiations with Petry?

  96. russ99 says:

    I don’t think I’ve been as frustrated with a LT post as much as this one. And not because of LT, but what it assumes about our management.

    Just because the OIlers don’t have patience to deal with the growing pains most college defensemen have is no reason to shy away and stick with limited players like Theo Peckham – who was limited even if he didn’t get out of shape.

    IMO, the issue isn’t player type, it’s how our club is run and deep-seeded stereotypes about certain types of players and where those types of players come from.

    smaller skill forwards from Europe – bad
    finesse defensemen from US colleges – bad
    Johnny Lunchpail kids with limited skill and upside from western canada – good

    This myopic approach may have worked in the old days when the Canadiens got to cherry pick from Quebec, but it doesn’t anymore.

    Instead of discounting player types that other clubs have success with, we should take a long look at why the organization doesn’t value and nurture these kinds of players.

  97. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Woodguy,

    Re-posting part of this comment from last night to mirror part of yours.

    We discussed it with respect to Nikitin vs. Stralman. The Oilers went for Nikitin for two years because they wanted to leave room for Nurse, Schultz, Klefbom, perhaps Marincin–thought that’s debatable these days.

    Don’t forget that the Oilers’ MO is not to season kids in the AHL and retain or sign quality veterans at the NHL level. Instead of having the kids fight and win the job from the vets, freeing the GM up to trade the vet away, the Oilers instead let their vets walk and gift the slot to the kids.

    We’ve seen this how often? Brodziak anyone? Horcoff? Hemsky? (I love Yak, but boy was he not ready for 2 RW). Gilbert? Petry is just next in line.And Nikitin is after that. Those slots are kept warm for the kids who may or may not be ready, but that’s irrelevant here in Oiler Land.

  98. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    VOR: This year the 40th highest paid Dman in the NHL made an average salary of $4,600,000 and 70th was $3,900,000.

    Is this UFA D, or all D?

    If the latter, it’s not very useful.

  99. CockyHockey says:

    Woodguy,

    My apologies for not reading all the comments on this thread, but how much has been discussed about Rishaug’s point about the fans turning on Petry if given an overpay?

    This is a very real issue with Edmonton fans. I’m a die-hard Oilers fan and drive up from Calgary a few times a year to watch at Rexall. I wasn’t surprised to hear the (completely unjust) heckling that Petry receives as I’ve known about the group of fans that don’t appreciate him, but the DEGREE of heckling from many groups of fans I wasn’t prepared for. They really focused in on him, even moreso than Jultz. To my eye, Petry played a very good came, carried the puck with speed and confidence, and was overall sound….which was later backed up by McCurdy’s player grades.

    I’m fairly sure both MacT and Petry are well aware of this non-acceptance from the fans. I’ve been surprised that Oilers management haven’t put their Public Relations hats on more often to try and dissuade the fans unnecessary negativity.

    I wonder to what extent does the Edmonton fan market make management’s decisions more difficult, due to their very persuasive, often impatient influence?

  100. johnnyshaka says:

    I think it’s pretty obvious that Petry didn’t get signed to a long term deal by either Tambi or MacT because HE didn’t want to sign a long term deal to stay in Edmonton.

    He’s been a good soldier and put in his time but now he’s going to retire from the service, collect his pension and go and do what he really wants to do with his life…play hockey for a good hockey team.

    Maybe if the Oilers didn’t suck for his entire time here things would be different…so many things could be different….SMH.

  101. PunjabiOil says:

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/01/19/oilers-forward-taylor-hall-expects-scoring-to-kick-in-despite-productive-slump

    This article is concerning.

    1. Management could have stopped the fire and just come out publicly (or privately) to dismiss the trade rumours. They didn’t do that

    2. Doesn’t seem out of realm of possibility, say a year from now, and the Oilers aren’t better, that Taylor Hall gets fed up and says enough is enough and it’s time for a change

    “This year I feel a lot of responsibility for how the season’s gone for our team,” he said. “I’m playing 20 minutes a night, I’m supposed to go out and get points. I don’t think I’m not being a team guy if I say it’s my responsibility to go out and score points and create offence for our team.

    “I haven’t done that enough, so I definitely do feel that responsibility.”

    All of this has combined to change the climate around a player who used to be considered an untouchable building block. Now he’s hearing whispers, having to answer the kind of uncomfortable questions that regular players do.

    “It’s a change,” he admitted. “In years past I felt like I’ve always been mentioned as a guy who’s never getting traded. Now you see your name creeping up in rumours. Even my friends and family are asking me about it.

    “My only control over getting traded is how I play. If I ever wanted to ask for a trade that would be my responsibility, but I don’t feel like leaving just yet, especially under the condition I’m playing right now. I wouldn’t feel very good about that.”

  102. russ99 says:

    CockyHockey:
    Woodguy,

    My apologies for not reading all the comments on this thread, but how much has been discussed about Rishaug’s point about the fans turning on Petry if given an overpay?

    This is a very real issue with Edmonton fans.I’m a die-hard Oilers fan and drive up from Calgary a few times a year to watch at Rexall.I wasn’t surprised to hear the (completely unjust) heckling that Petry receives as I’ve known about the group of fans that don’t appreciate him, but the DEGREE of heckling from many groups of fans I wasn’t prepared for.They really focused in on him, even moreso than Jultz.To my eye, Petry played a very good came, carried the puck with speed and confidence, and was overall sound….which was later backed up by McCurdy’s player grades.

    I’m fairly sure both MacT and Petry are well aware of this non-acceptance from the fans.I’ve been surprised that Oilers management haven’t put their Public Relations hats on more often to try and dissuade the fans unnecessary negativity.

    I wonder to what extent does the Edmonton fan market make management’s decisions more difficult, due to their very persuasive, often impatient influence?

    Good point. And what level of performance do these players become acceptable to the fans?

    IMO, winning would cure most of that. We stink so fans rip on particular types of targets.

  103. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    96 D William Lagesson (@FightingSaints) commits to UMass. Edmonton’s 4th round pick in 2014 is a 6’2, 2-way addition for this fall. Big get.

    — Over The Boards (@OTBPuckWatch) January 19, 2015

    Wasn’t sure if this was posted here yesterday. Apologies if so.

  104. rickithebear says:

    If you include the affect of :
    blocks
    Misses
    hit goalies (not a shot)
    shots saved

    you end up with Goals against.

    To exclude the Defenceman affected; Bloxks; Misses; Hit goalie
    and
    Golalie affected Saves.
    Undermines 95.2% of defensive zone affect.

    Sorry Corsi Fans!

    Since 10-11 (last 5 seasons)
    D with the best EVGA/60
    Potter 12-13 3rd comp 1.27
    Fistric 12-13 2nd/3rd comp 1.46
    Aulie 14-15 3rd comp 1.57
    N. Schultz 11-12 2nd/3rd comp 1.90
    Sutton 11-12 3rd comp 1.97
    Marincin 13-14 1st Comp 2.08
    Whitney 10-11 1st/2nd comp 2.17
    Petry 12-13 1st comp 2.24
    Smid 12-13 1st comp 2.26
    SMid 11-12 1st comp 2.32
    Whitney 12-13 2nd/3rd comp 2.47
    Peckham (24) 11-12 2nd/3rd comp 2.57
    Peckham (23) 10-11 1st comp 2.60
    Larsen 13-14 2nd/3rd comp 2.60
    Whitney 11-12 3rd comp 2.61
    Petry 11-12 1st comp 2.63
    Ference 14-15 1st/2nd comp 2.70
    Fayne 14-15 1st comp 2.71
    Smid 10-11 2nd comp 2.71

    Petry last 5
    14-15 2nd 3.06
    13-14 1st 3.01
    12-13 1st 2.24
    11-12 1st 2.63
    10-11 3rd 3.16
    Petry’s one strong year was the matched partnership with SMID.

    Schultz Last 3
    14-15 3rd 2.95
    13-14 2nd 3.08
    12-13 3rd 3.25

    I am pissing myself Laughing about the Dmen most complained about on this site.
    Aulie; MacT ufa signing
    Fistric; MacT offered A 3yr 1.25 per contract
    N. Schultz
    Whitney Avg 2.42 facing 2nd comp 10-11 to 12-13

    The number of you saying MacT does not Know Dmen.

    Here is a secret.
    Dmen try to Block corsi;
    Force misses
    Reduce targeting so there is a low shot count.
    Shots being open hole location.
    Hit goalies are not Shots.
    Keeping The Shots at distance
    so Goalies have more reaction time
    allowing for greater open hole coverage.

    Compared to Petry
    Klefbom 2nd comp
    similiar EVGA
    better EVA/60 rate.

    Ference 1st/2nd comp
    Better EVGA
    Better EVA/60

  105. Diesel says:

    Love the tone and content of this post. I always do, however…. so maybe this one just has the right timing.

    Straight up, to the point, and a damn shame.

  106. Dark Asia says:

    If they trade Petry for magic beans then the entire “rebuild” is a farce – quite likely it always was one – but it will be undeniable after this. This season will then have seen the Oilers trade 2 very useful “real NHL players” in Perron and Petry for futures which will destroy any progress. Next year could be just as bad and maybe worse if Hall and Yak want out.

    Drafting, player moves, coaching – nothing else matter – senior management must be removed or this franchise is a smoking dumpster fire next year.

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