SABRES AT OILERS, G49 2014-15

The Edmonton Oilers can dip into the draft pool during the final 33 games of the season by simply getting Nail Yakupov straightened out. I think it’s reasonable to suggest Todd Nelson could secure an NHL head coaching job by doing it and we saw flashes of a breakout last game. It’s there, it’s in the ether. Watching Nail right now is like watching a mannish boy find his way in life: Frustration after frustration followed by small, painful growth. All you’re really looking for is a spark and youth, determination and skill should light the way. You need that spark.

WHAT WOULD 32 GOOD GAMES LOOK LIKE?

Let’s have a quick look at what Nail’s been doing so far in his NHL career:

  • Boxcars per 82gp based on career previous to this season: 21-20-41
  • Boxcars this season: 48gp, 5-7-12
  • Expected boxcars remainder of season based on previous career numbers: 33gp, 9-8-17
  • Expected boxcars based on this year’s numbers: 33gp, 3-5-8

We don’t have TOI but he appears to be getting reasonable minutes and remember there’s some urgency to get him turning north. I’m going to peg it at 17 points the rest of the season, giving Nail 29 for the year. That’s his average for the previous seasons and there’s no doubt it would show recovery. Is that enough? If Nail ends the season with 81gp, 14-15-29 totals, is that enough to save him? Or is he off to Montreal in a deal for Lars Eller and Dustin Tokarski?

MACTAVISH’S PROCUREMENT RECORD

mact shotInteresting conversation yesterday morning on the blog, I was in at the beginning but couldn’t get back to it because of the radio show. It revolved around my assertion that MacTavish could find another Boyd Gordon in the summer and that the club might consider trading him at the deadline. There are two main points I’d like to make:

  1. MacT’s veteran additions (Gordon, Perron for 1.5 years, Hendricks, Pouliot, Roy, Klinkhammer) at forward have been very good. I think we can trust him to repeat that transaction over and over again.
  2. You don’t trade Gordon if the plan is to push for the playoffs in 2015-16. You’re more likely to look at trading Yakupov to Montreal for Eller and Tokarski, though.
  3. I don’t think the Oilers have been good (for years) in procuring defensemen (Ference, Nikitin, even Fayne a little) via free agency. For that reason, my expectation is they’ll trade for a Phaneuf, Weber or Seabrook this summer.
  4. I like the bet MacT made in goal (Scrivens, Fasth) but don’t expect he’ll take a chance like that again. A Tokarski or Lehner addition could happen at the low end and Antti Niemi is the player type at the high end.

Anyway, MacT has a growing reputation of being able to identify solid veteran forwards. I’d suggest his only blind spot there was Leon Draisaitl and it ended up costing his coach in a big way. I don’t think that mistake will happen again. I have far less confidence in MacT than one year ago and he may never be a good GM. I think he’s a very smart man who has probably learned a lot this year.

WHAT A DIFFERENCE A DAY MAKES!

standing dec 29On December 29 (above) the Oilers are the No. 30 team overall, seven wins and Dallas Eakins is gone baby gone. Worst goal differential in the league and only Carolina is in sight. On that morning, you would have given Edmonton a very good chance at McEichel.

current standing jan 29On January 29 (above) we see the impact of the 5-5-2 run under Todd Nelson. The team is -3 in those games, miles better than the first 36 games and have scored 34-37 under the new coach (2.83-3.08). Previous to Nelson’s arrival those numbers were 2.11-3.42, so despite a downward trend in the possession numbers Edmonton is getting better scoreboard results. The Sabres? Since December 29 they are 0-12-0 and have a goal differential of 17-54. If Taylor Hall can walk, he’ll want to play.

I think the main reason Oilers fans should be happy about this move had to do with prospect development. In OKC, there was pressure to win games and if you give a good coach veterans he’s going to play them. In 2011-12, the rookie seasons for Tyler Pitlick, Curtis Hamilton and others, the Barons ran with so many veterans the mind boggles. Yann Danis (30) in goal, Bryan Helmer (39) and Bryan Rodney (27) on defense and forwards Josh Green (33), Ryan Keller (27) and Tristan Grant (27) all took significant at-bats away from prospects. As well, players sent down (Lenny Petrell, Gilbert Brule) also impacted things.

In fairness, Craig MacTavish has already changed much in this area. To compare, let’s look at  a successful NHL team. This season, the Detroit Red Wings 20-year old kids are all getting their minor league at-bats:

  • Anthony Mantha 30gp, 6-7-13
  • Andreas Athanasiou 25gp, 7-9-16
  • Martin Frk 9gp, 1-0-1 (and then 22gp, 15-12-27 in ECHL)

Notice that Frk, a highly-touted prospect on draft day, struggled in the AHL for playing time so was sent to the ECHL. Let’s look at the 20-year old Barons:

  • Bogdan Yakimov 38gp, 6-11-17
  • Josh Winquist 16gp, 4-4-8  (after going 18gp, 5-18-23 in ECHL)
  • Jujhar Khaira 38gp, 5-2-7
  • Mitchell Moroz 33gp, 0-3-3

Moroz should be in the ECHL—not to humiliate but to develop—but after that I think we can be satisfied the current system under MacT is allowing enough at-bats for everyone. It’s an important item, I do believe Oilers kids were squeezed in the past and it impacted their development. It’s also interesting to see that Yakimov is in the range with the two quality kids in the Wings system. Winquist could be an exceptional find, well done Bob Green. The emphasis on prospect development should only improve in Bakersfield.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

Interesting lineup today, I can’t wait for this one. TSN1260 at 10, scheduled to appear:

  • Dennis King will discuss the Oilers—Sabres and Super Bowl weekend. We’ll try to find time to make a list of blue for MacT, including Weber and Seabrook.
  • Brian King, NonStop Sports Picks. We’ll talk Super Bowl and CFL offseason.
  • Paul Brown, 100.3 The Bear. Legendary broadcaster drops in to discuss his career and his love of sports. Epic!
  • Corey Graham, TSN1260. Oil Kings won last night against Kelowna. We’ll chat Leon, Jarry and the playoffs.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide_ on twitter and make sure to follow @Lieutenant_Eric because he’s cool. See you on the radio!

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  1. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: The only thing you have to put up with Bruce is that he always thinks he’s right.

    Very annoying for those of us who actually are.

    I thought I was the only one who felt that way!

  2. jp says:

    VanOil:
    Game predictions; Combined shots from both teams will be less than 40, yet it will be a high scoring game with both goal tenders posting less than .900 sv%

    More likely combined shots are over 80 imo. I’m not calling a goalers duel though.

  3. geowal says:

    Kelly hrudey: Dubnyk is really good at handling the puck”
    Wtf,

  4. Ben says:

    yesssssssssssss

  5. Pouzar says:

    why am I watching this?

  6. hunter1909 says:

    This must be what a 1970 Oakland v LAK game looked like.

  7. SkatinginSand says:

    LT gotta disagree that Klinkhammer was a great find. Trading someone with three 20 goal seasons with 1.5 yrs. left on a value contract who is putting up points left and right now with Crosby for a 15% chance of an impact player in 3-5 years and a guy whose max is third line is a recipe for….. because Oilers.

  8. McSorley33 says:

    This is an EPIC battle…….

    Condolences to the broadcast crews….

  9. hunter1909 says:

    Thoroughly entertaining hockey

    lol

  10. Lowetide says:

    SkatinginSand:
    LT gotta disagree that Klinkhammer was a great find. Trading someone with three 20 goal seasons with 1.5 yrs. left on a value contract who is putting up points left and right nowwith Crosby for a 15% chance of an impact player in 3-5 years and a guy whose max is third line is a recipe for….. because Oilers.

    Sure. If you plan on competing during those 1.5 years.

  11. smellyglove says:

    Stream, anyone?

  12. Pouzar says:

    where the f^ck was Yak going on that zone entry?

  13. Pouzar says:

    I feel for Lander. The guy will never get decent linemates.

  14. Captain's Log says:

    SkatinginSand:
    LT gotta disagree that Klinkhammer was a great find. Trading someone with three 20 goal seasons with 1.5 yrs. left on a value contract who is putting up points left and right nowwith Crosby for a 15% chance of an impact player in 3-5 years and a guy whose max is third line is a recipe for….. because Oilers.

    What LT said and I would like to add that we didn’t trade a player who was putting up points left and right. Yes he is doing that with Crosby but he was not doing that here…

  15. jp says:

    I think Lander is here to stay. Real nice to see.

  16. Pouzar says:

    Pouzar:
    I feel for Lander. The guy will never get decent linemates.

    Not you Mr. Fraser……… *looks away*

  17. Ben says:

    Haven’t seen much of OIL-BUF, but this intermission Timbits game is ADORABLE!

  18. hunter1909 says:

    noooooooooooooooo

    lol

  19. Captain's Log says:

    That goal by Fraser is the kind of goal the Oilers like to give up. Too much puck focus below the goal line not enough slot defence…

    Man Klinkhammer sure can fly on that backcheck!

    And as I’m typing Klefbom from Lander! 2 points for 51!

  20. Pouzar says:

    Wayne Lander!

  21. VanOil says:

    Woodguy: First goalie to .850 wins!

    Both goalies batting .800 now!

  22. flyfish1168 says:

    Norris Klefblom

  23. JamesL says:

    Someone dropped the KLEFBOMB!

  24. Pouzar says:

    I love Lander but do these count as NHL points?

  25. Lowetide says:

    There goes Todd Nelson, saving Anton Lander.

  26. JamesL says:

    On a serious note, didn’t catch the plays by Lander — how’d they look? Happy to hear that his game is turning the corner.

  27. Younger Oil says:

    NOBODY tanks like the Sabres.

  28. delooper says:

    Lander is the driving force behind the Edmonton Oilers. Carrying… Gazdic on his line. Lander is Hercules.

  29. flyfish1168 says:

    “give the player the chance to overcome his mistake” hard to not like a coach that gives you that opportunity. I love this statement from Nelson

    I am very proud to say I was one that believed in Anton and he is proving some people wrong. 🙂

  30. VanOil says:

    I mistakenly left the SN intermission on. I learned Gazdic was the reason the Oilers have the lead.

  31. Captain's Log says:

    If nothing else the Oilers should keep Luke Gazdic around just for that look of pure joy when he’s on the ice and the Oilers score.

  32. Colieo87 says:

    We need a hard carry, 2 supports, initiator, and a durable pusher

  33. leadfarmer says:

    Todd Nelson is The Rookie Whisperer.

    I know some of them aren’t rookies but close enough.

  34. Zelepukin says:

    This is a pretty good AHL game.

  35. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    Zelepukin:
    This is a pretty good AHL game.

    They’re not usually in HD.

  36. jp says:

    VanOil:
    I mistakenly left the SN intermission on. I learned Gazdic was the reason the Oilers have the lead.

    While that conclusion is quite absurd, you wouldn’t know he isn’t an NHL player based on that 1st period.

  37. Магия 10 says:

    Zelepukin:
    This is a pretty good AHL game.

    Missed the announcement today. Which California city is getting the Sabres?

  38. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    So Fraser on the PP – tossed salad and scrambled eggs?

  39. Gerta Rauss says:

    Colieo87:
    We need a hard carry,2 supports,initiator,and a durable pusher

    This is HBO original programming, no..?

  40. G Money says:

    You know how bad the Buffalo Sabres are?

    When the Buffalo Sabres come to Edmonton, we Oiler fans mock them the way fans of other teams mock the Oilers when they visit other venues.

    *That’s* how bad the Buffalo Sabres are.

  41. Zelepukin says:

    ya, Buffalo is really bad. Our troubles are really just a couple players who make constant bonehead mistakes, where as every Buffalo player is terrible.

  42. Магия 10 says:

    G Money:
    You know how bad the Buffalo Sabres are?

    When the Buffalo Sabres come to Edmonton, we Oiler fans mock them the way fans of other teams mock the Oilers when they visit other venues.

    *That’s* how bad the Buffalo Sabres are.

    Fun too long wayyyyyyyyyy down. A full 2 pts below us.we want 4.

  43. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    G Money,

    The buffalo sabres are so bad…

    How bad are they?

    Luke Gadzooks can play a regular shift against them, and be +2 after two!

  44. Cobbler says:

    Zelepukin,

    So that’s why lander is playing so well.

  45. Zelepukin says:

    Auston Matthews ’16:
    G Money,

    The buffalo sabres are so bad…

    How bad are they?

    Luke Gadzooks can play a regular shift against them, and be +2 after two!

    They make almost zero NHL levels plays. Even little things like holding onto the puck and waiting for the best available option before just throwing it away or shooting on net.

  46. delooper says:

    I think I’ve spent over $6000 on tools in the past month. Somebody stop me. I might need to buy a cabinet saw. Like, really really need one.

  47. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    delooper,

    If you don’t have convertible inner/outer snap ring pliers, keep spending.

    Also if you don’t have a biscuit joiner.

  48. Lowetide says:

    Man this is bad. Oakland Seals versus Washington Capitals 1974-75 bad. Well, not THAT bad. But bad. Really bad.

  49. Магия 10 says:

    Bad enough that buffalo is just a shot away after 40.

  50. Kitchener says:

    Just tuning in. Yak leads all skaters with 5 shots. Lander, Fraser, Gazdic & Klefbom with points. Hopefully the 3rd includes goals by Yak.

  51. delooper says:

    Auston Matthews ’16:
    delooper,

    If you don’t have convertible inner/outer snap ring pliers, keep spending.

    Also if you don’t have a biscuit joiner.

    I have brazillions of router bits. It’s been really fun. Buy more router bits. Modify my homemade router table a little more. Buy more router bits. Modify router table.

    But now I look on-line and I see flash Jessem router tables that have everything I’ve done, more moreso! And digital. And more precise. Jiminy crickets!

  52. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    delooper,

    Sounds like a cnc system is in your future then.

  53. delooper says:

    Auston Matthews ’16:
    Also if you don’t have a biscuit joiner.

    What can you do with a biscuit joiner that you can’t do better with a glue-joint bit, or a lock-miter bit, on a router? I’m not sure I see the point of biscuit joiners. They’re easier to use, maybe?

  54. book¡je says:

    delooper: What can you do with a biscuit joiner that you can’t do better with a glue-joint bit, or a lock-miter bit, on a router? I’m not sure I see the point of biscuit joiners.They’re easier to use, maybe?

    It’s just faster and easier.

  55. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    delooper: What can you do with a biscuit joiner that you can’t do better with a glue-joint bit, or a lock-miter bit, on a router? I’m not sure I see the point of biscuit joiners.They’re easier to use, maybe?

    Stoopid simple to use and the joints are very strong.

  56. Gerta Rauss says:

    There goes Nikitin’s trade value at the deadline

  57. Lowetide says:

    Nikitin, who was actually playing a little better, sure looks hurt there.

  58. Zelepukin says:

    There goes last place.

  59. Gerta Rauss says:

    Shoulder..?..might have been the collarbone

  60. JamesL says:

    LANDER-HOY!!!!!!

  61. Gerta Rauss says:

    Oh baby

  62. spoiler says:

    This Lander kid looks pretty good…

    Maybe they should have brought him up a couple of seasons ago?

    *ducks*

  63. magisterrex says:

    So…Todd Nelson cannot be stopped?

  64. dangilitis says:

    I must be watching an ahl game, porous defense, odd man rushes and oh yah lander scores 3 pts

  65. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Sabres are a bad, bad team. Good for Anton!

  66. dangilitis says:

    magisterrex:
    So…Todd Nelson cannot be stopped?

    He’s good don’t get me wrong but the narrative tonight should be buffalos tank cannot be stopped

  67. Pouzar says:

    Lander….first graduate of the break em down and build em up development machine!

  68. supernova says:

    Happy for Anton! According to many people he is a class act.

  69. delooper says:

    I just texted my dad “might have to send Lander down to the AHL after a game like tonight’s” to which he replied “Lowetide humour”.

  70. spoiler says:

    Ebs continues his Jarret Stoll impression.

  71. geowal says:

    Awesome for Lander.

    Also a little frightening, Gregor’s prediction actually came through for once:

    “NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: I was a game early in my prediction about Anton Lander scoring. The Swede scores tonight as does Oscar Klefbom.”

  72. Магия 10 says:

    delooper:
    I just texted my dad “might have to send Lander down to the AHL after a game like tonight’s” to which he replied “Lowetide humour”.

    He’s gotta be thinking this is his first night in the ahl without having to be reassigned.

  73. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Chicago just dealt the right shot Clendening for Forsling.
    Would have liked the Oilers to take a stab at Clendening…but Oilers…

  74. geowal says:

    Doobie shuts out Flames. Nice for him.

  75. Gerta Rauss says:

    I think somebody pulled Petry aside about a month ago and told him to shoot the f***ing puck – he’s been shooting from everywhere and he’s got a good shot. More please

  76. Lowetide says:

    Anton Lander took six years, ladies. There’s a lesson there.

  77. Rondo says:

    Sabres are really an AHL team

  78. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    That was a generous rebound, Mr. Scrivens.

    Can’t win an easy one. Because Oilers.

  79. Captain's Log says:

    Come on Buffalo!

  80. Captain's Log says:

    Well we all know the chances of Buffalo scoring are much higher with the Oilers on the PP…c’mon shorty

  81. Suntory Hanzo says:

    They can never make it easy…

  82. Gerta Rauss says:

    Are you OK with Nuge,Gordon,Lander as 3 of the 4 C’s next year LT..?

    They’ll need a real 2C (not a McEichel) but I think Lander has earned that spot

  83. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Scheduled win. Good job, boys. And good night.

  84. Магия 10 says:

    Lowetide:
    Anton Lander took six years, ladies. There’s a lesson there.

    So no one would take him off our hands when a new gm came in. Next time someone will it’s probably right back to SOP.

  85. G Money says:

    The Oilers are bad. The Sabres are amazingly terrible.

    But they do seem to have this tanking thing down.

    “Oops, what? We took out Double Agent? Damn. OK, then. Raise you a Tyler Myers.”

  86. Магия 10 says:

    G Money: “Oops, what? We took out Double Agent? Damn. OK, then. Raise you a Tyler Myers

    Completely out tanked.

  87. spoiler says:

    Lander: “I was really really relieved to see the puck go in.”

  88. Younger Oil says:

    Would love to see them give Lander a 3 year contract for $2M per.

  89. Gerta Rauss says:

    Younger Oil:
    Would love to see them give Lander a 3 year contract for $2M per.

    I was thinking a modest raise on his $600k but what do I know

  90. fifthcartel says:

    I didn’t even notice Matt Fraser had 3 points as well. 7 points in 12 games for Fraser (same as Lander), could there be something there?

  91. dangilitis says:

    geowal:
    Awesome for Lander.

    Also a little frightening, Gregor’s prediction actually came through for once:

    “NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: I was a game early in my prediction about Anton Lander scoring. The Swede scores tonight as does Oscar Klefbom.”

    He’s made that nsogdp several times this year, not just last game. He was bound to be right eventually. Although he actually has some pretty eerie predictions come true at other times

  92. Lowetide says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Are you OK with Nuge,Gordon,Lander as 3 of the 4 C’s next year LT..?

    They’ll need a real 2C (not a McEichel) but I think Lander has earned that spot

    I’d be fine with Lander as a two-way forward who can play on the wing as needed. I don’t really know where he’ll land but he sure looks like a player now. This is several games where he’s done something good. He’s certainly earned a contract, and if they can get him for two years at a bargain they should sign that contract.

  93. dangilitis says:

    Gerta Rauss: I was thinking a modest raise on his $600k but what do I know

    Ya this guys not dealing from a position of strength at the moment and a 1 way deal north of 1 mil would be a good play

  94. Gerta Rauss says:

    Patrik Berglund with an (apparent) serious should injury tonight

    I’m not in favor of trading Gordon this year but there might be a fit with St Lous depending on the diagnosis

  95. dangilitis says:

    Let’s also not forget he has 3 nhl goals. Sorry, yes he was botched, but we can benefit from that. 2 mil per would mean 1 mil for each goal he has scored before tonight’s game, which constitutes 20per cent of his career points and 33 per cent of all of his goals, against one of the worst Corsi teams in the history of the game. Derek Roy has hundreds more points and he got a 1 mil contract.

  96. jake70 says:

    Vande Velde with his 7th tonight. 40-7-5-12, minus5. Nelson had him for 2 or 3 years as well.
    Yakupov 49-5-7-12 , minus 23 – work some magic TN.

  97. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide,

    I think if they offered him 2 years at $850k per he’d jump at that

  98. Lowetide says:

    Matthew Iwanyk ‏@matthewiwanyk now

    Todd Nelson says Nikitin has shoulder injury and will be out for a while. #oilers
    0 replies 1 retweet 0 favorites

  99. geowal says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Lowetide,

    I think if they offered him 2 years at $850k per he’d jump at that

    I think if they offered him 2 years at anything he’d jump at that.

  100. Hammers says:

    Lowetide:
    Anton Lander took six years, ladies. There’s a lesson there.

    Yea but to be fair that wasn’t all his fault . Misused 1st year then the up & down scenario with only Nelson really believing in the kid but I get your point 4-5 years should be the norm to make it . He must be thinking thank God Nelson got his chance .

  101. Lowetide says:

    Hammers: Yea but to be fair that wasn’t all his fault . Misused 1st year then the up & down scenario with only Nelson really believing in the kid but I get your point 4-5 years should be the norm to make it . He must be thinking thank God Nelson got his chance .

    You’re absolutely right. I think scouts and drafted players have taken a lot of criticism that probably lies higher up the food chain. jmo.

  102. supernova says:

    Lowetide:
    Matthew Iwanyk ‏@matthewiwanyk now

    Todd Nelson says Nikitin has shoulder injury and will be out for a while. #oilers
    0 replies 1 retweet 0 favorites

    Lowetide,

    If he is injured to long it could affect the Oilers ability to buy him out.

    Positive is we will see one of Davidson, Oesterle, or Marincin called up.

  103. Gerta Rauss says:

    supernova: If he is injured to long it could affect the Oilers ability to buy him out

    Yup, I was just going to post the same thing

    I’m hoping for Marincin, but look forward to seeing any of them incl Simpson or Musil

  104. Hammers says:

    Well crap game really with nothing from our 1st line . Buffalo is bad but if we hadn’t beaten them I think the fans would be disgusted .It’s one thing calling it an AHL game but if we lost ?? This next 9 games should tell us if Nelson can or should be the coach next year and I’m cheering for him maybe even more than the team . As was said earlier if he can just get Yak producing the way he has Lander I will be happy . Who gets the call for Saturday ? Marincin , Hunt or Davidson or does Aulie slot in because Flames . Over under on points for next 9 games . I take 10 .

  105. cabbiesmacker says:

    Gerta Rauss:

    I’m not in favor of trading Gordon this year but there might be a fit with St Lous depending on the diagnosis

    Awesome Gerta. Then MacTavish can spend the off-season trying to sign another guy just like him.

    I really don’t get people that think you can build a contending team by trading away key support players. This is exactly why teams spend eons trying to get back into contention and fail dismally.

  106. supernova says:

    Gerta Rauss: Yup, I was just going to post the same thing

    I’m hoping for Marincin, but look forward to seeing any of them incl Simpson or Musil

    Gerta Rauss,

    I personally think its Oesterle who gets the call.

    Eric Rodgersin OKC thinks the same.

    Also getting close to College FA signing season. They can trumpet last season FA college signing getting into NHL games and development to Matt O’conner and others.

  107. Snowman says:

    cabbiesmacker: Awesome Gerta. Then MacTavish can spend the off-season trying to sign another guy just like him.

    I really don’t get people that think you can build a contending team by trading away key support players. This is exactly why teams spend eons trying to get back into contention and fail dismally.

    No way the Oilers are competitive next year. No way Gordon signs with the Oilers after next year. It really doesn’t matter. He’s gone one way or the other. The difference might be a second this year instead of a third next year. I’m not in favor of getting rid of him. But honestly, it doesn’t matter. This team isn’t making the playoffs next year by a long shot unless MacT has been hustling the other GM’s these past two years by lulling them into a false sense of security whenever he calls.

  108. Gerta Rauss says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    I’ve been told MacTavish can identify this player type and could replace Gordon, can’t remember where I heard that…:)

    My preference is to keep Gordon (and I said that), but if St Louis wants to overpay you have to consider it

  109. Lowetide says:

    I wonder if EDM claims Dylan Olsen tomorrow. With Nikitin down it’s a free look.

  110. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    I wonder if EDM claims Dylan Olsen tomorrow. With Nikitin down it’s a free look.

    They’ve been very conscious of their contract number this year. I don’t see them claiming anyone for just a look.

  111. spoiler says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Lowetide,

    I think if they offered him 2 years at $850k per he’d jump at that

    Agreed. That was the figures I had in mind while I was scrolling down.

  112. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Lowetide:
    I wonder if EDM claims Dylan Olsen tomorrow. With Nikitin down it’s a free look.

    This may scare off teams thinking of claiming Olsen

    http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=29&f1=2014_s&f2=5v5&f5=FLA&f7=20-&f8=1.5&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67

    Then again if you’re the Oilers and you’re double agent goes down…maybe not…

  113. Klima's_Bucket says:

    spoiler: Agreed. That was the figures I had in mind while I was scrolling down.

    I would give Lander the same money that Brandon Pirri got in Florida.
    2 years at 925,000 per.

  114. slopitch says:

    5 more shots for Yak. Lander seems to have become a useful nhl player. Keep working your magic Nelson!

    I like where the oilers are right now. They can win a decent amount of games and still get a top 5 pick.

  115. Zelepukin says:

    Lander is still just a good AHL player. 3 points on a line with Gazdic and Fraser, says just how bad Buffalo really is. Easily one of the worst teams of the past 10 years. Put that line out against any decent team and they’d be lucky to even break out of their zone.

  116. v4ance says:

    I know some people are making fun of Buffalo as just an AHL team and using Lander’s 3 pt night as proof, then why didn’t the rest of our lineup score?

    If Buffalo was as bad as we made out, our top 2 lines should have had multipoint scorers as well.

  117. PhrankLee says:

    Gerta Rauss: I’m not in favor of trading Gordon this year but there might be a fit with St Lous depending on the diagnosis

    I’m happy to trade Gordon this year. He has been a true pro. He has high value for a quite a few teams going into the playoffs.

    He can’t take everyone’s face offs forever.

  118. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    LT: Good morning. So let’s say Nelson “fixes” Lander. And then he “fixes” Yak. I think he can “fix” Schultz. Call it 3-for-3 in “fixing” the “enigmas” on the team, and W-L record aside, he deserves the job next year. Any thoughts?

    I really want to discuss Schultz. I think that’s the 3rd aspect of the development area that we’re glossing over because of our focus on Lander an Yakupov.

  119. Pouzar says:

    So Aulie draws in?

    I want MM or Oesterle but not happening imo.

  120. PhrankLee says:

    Pouzar,

    Pretty wicked opportunity for Nelson to assert himself even further by recommending the callup and that callup being effective.

    I won’t be surprised to see anyone other than MM. I think MM opened his mouth in a way management is not fond of. He is obviously banished.

  121. Ca$h-Money! says:

    PhrankLee,

    I don’t know about MM. He hasn’t been dominant at that level by any measure, and just because he’s better than Nikitin doesn’t mean the NHL is the best way to develop him.

  122. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    I think there could be something to be said for the consideration that not every player gets sent down to the minors and responds by stepping up his game the way Lander did when he was sent down.

    For Marincin, it had to be disheartening, and it might be hard to find motivation. I know it’s tough because you want to say to everyone: “You’re mad? Well go out and kick some ass on the ice and prove your doubters wrong.” But not everyone is cut from the same cloth. I could see MM being called up and then doing better at the NHL level than AHL.

    I would love to have the conversation with Andrew Ference about waiving his NMC to go to a contender.

    Nikitin, unfortunately just did not pan out in any way, shape or form. The Oilers should cut their losses this summer on that one with a buy out.

    For the remainder of this year, my ideal scenario:
    Move Ference out before the deadline for a prospect. His leadership and Cup experience will cause him to be overvalued.

    Re-sign Petry

    Call up MM and rotate around one more call-up. Oesterle, Davidson, Hunt all should get looks.

  123. Pouzar says:

    PhrankLee:
    Pouzar,

    Pretty wicked opportunity for Nelson to assert himself even further by recommending the callup and that callup being effective.

    I won’t be surprised to see anyone other than MM. I think MM opened his mouth in a way management is not fond of. He is obviously banished.

    Yeah I am not expecting MM either. Oesterle or Davidson is my guess.

  124. PhrankLee says:

    Ca$h-Money!,

    Agree strongly. He has been very unassuming. Plus I think he opened his mouth and spoke smack about someone in a decision making role.

    The carrot dangled in front of him comes if he gets more “aggressive”. Some players do not have the mean gene. He is likely looked at as expendable with Nurse being so close to prime time. Hopefully someone wants a big bird and we can snap up a 4th or use him as padding in the Boyd Gordon trade.

  125. Pouzar says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    I think there could be something to be said for the consideration that not every player gets sent down to the minors and responds by stepping up his game the way Lander did when he was sent down.

    For Marincin, it had to be disheartening, and it might be hard to find motivation. I know it’s tough because you want to say to everyone: “You’re mad? Well go out and kick some ass on the ice and prove your doubters wrong.”But not everyone is cut from the same cloth. I could see MM being called up and then doing better at the NHL level than AHL.

    I would love to have the conversation with Andrew Ference about waiving his NMC to go to a contender.

    Nikitin, unfortunately just did not pan out in any way, shape or form. The Oilers should cut their losses this summer on that one with a buy out.

    For the remainder of this year, my ideal scenario:
    Move Ference out before the deadline for a prospect. His leadership and Cup experience will cause him to be overvalued.

    Re-sign Petry

    Call up MM and rotate around one more call-up. Oesterle, Davidson, Hunt all should get looks.

    Perfectly put on MM. Like Klefbom I think his game translates better in the NHL. Sounds crazy but Klefbom said as much last year when he stated his game is better suited to playing with the better players in the NHL.

    Speaking of Klef, saw him good last night. Very happy for the kid.

  126. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Pouzar:
    So Aulie draws in?

    I want MM or Oesterle but not happening imo.

    I think the game plan doesn’t change much with NN down.

    MacT will eventually pull the trigger on some call ups and they will have their own timeline that he sets. NN only speeds up the process (potentially).

  127. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    LT: Good morning. So let’s say Nelson “fixes” Lander. And then he “fixes” Yak. I think he can “fix” Schultz. Call it 3-for-3 in “fixing” the “enigmas” on the team, and W-L record aside, he deserves the job next year. Any thoughts?

    I really want to discuss Schultz. I think that’s the 3rd aspect of the development area that we’re glossing over because of our focus on Lander an Yakupov.

    I think regardless of Nelson’s performance, it’s time for the team to open up the position to free, fair competition.

    Let Nelson compete for the job and use whatever he accomplishes this year to bolster his CV.

    No more handing out jobs.

  128. Eastern Oil says:

    Pouzar:
    So Aulie draws in?

    I want MM or Oesterle but not happening imo.

    OKC plays tonight and tomorrow night as well so unless the call comes today I can’t see the call up getting in ahead of Aulie vs. the Flames tomorrow night. They may see Aulie’s grititude number as a benefit vs the Flames as well. Maybe you see someone who has hasn’t had a NHL paycheck come up to spend some time with the team.

  129. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I’d agree with you on that. The next time the Oilers interview multiple candidates for the same job will be the first time since, oh…I don’t know. Forever?

  130. Pouzar says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I’d agree with you on that. The next time the Oilers interview multiple candidates for the same job will be the first time since, oh…I don’t know. Forever?

    Too bad this process didn’t start from the top down.

  131. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Pouzar,

    I guess if I think about it, MacT was interviewing multiple candidates for Krueger’s assistant job, right? Although we know that instead became a one-person interview for head coach, as it turns out, with no one else interviewed in that capacity.

    So the Oilers can’t even do open competition for jobs right.

  132. rickithebear says:

    Pouzar:
    So Aulie draws in?

    I want MM or Oesterle but not happening imo.

    AULIE 1.58 EVGA/60 3rd comp.

    Lowetide: I’d be fine with Lander as a two-way forward who can play on the wing as needed

    Didn’t we recently have a captian like that!

  133. rickithebear says:

    Our most Effective Even Forward Base

    Hall-XXX-Eberle 1st comp
    3.03 GF/60 2.63 GA/60

    Pouliot-Roy-XXX 2nd/3rd comp 58% ZS
    2.40GF/60 1.20 GA/60

    XXX-Lander-Fraser 2nd/3rd comp 47% ZS
    3.13 GF/60 1.88 GA/60

    Klinkhammer-Gordon- Hendricks1st/2nd comp 18% ZS
    1.37 GF/60 2.38 GA/60

    14-15 year RNH
    Broke even with
    Eberle 2.65 GF-GA/60
    Perron 2.49 GF-GA/60
    Hendricks 3.32 GF-GA/60
    Plus with:
    Pitlick 3.46 GF/60 1.16 GA/60
    Minus with
    Hall; Pouliot; Purcell; Yakupov

    13-14 RNH was
    Even with
    Eberle; Smyth; Perron
    Plus with
    Jones; Gaxzdic
    Minus with
    Hall; Yak; Hemsky; Gagner; Lander

    Has high Success with a Board retrieval Winger with good finish

  134. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: I’d agree with that.

    I’d also think that Kane will be overpaid given the quality of minutes he scores in.

    Best soft minute killer in the NHL.

    Amazing talent, but a team of Hossa’s beat a team of Kane’s 8-4 about 80% of the time.

    Don’t disagree, but Chicago can’t turn Kane into Hossa any more than Edmonton can Eberle.

  135. Gerta Rauss says:

    PhrankLee: I’m happy to trade Gordon this year. He has been a true pro. He has high value for a quite a few teams going into the playoffs.

    He can’t take everyone’s face offs forever.

    My preference to is have as many NHL players on the roster next year as possible. MacT has enough on his plate this summer we don’t need him looking for a Gordon replacement.

    That being said, if somebody wants to pay a premium for him I’d listen to offers

  136. godot10 says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    I think there could be something to be said for the consideration that not every player gets sent down to the minors and responds by stepping up his game the way Lander did when he was sent down.

    Lander was getting the best linemates and PP time ( and PK time) in OKC.

    Marinicin is carrying the #6 or #7 OKC D on a nightly basis. He is playing in a defensive role in OKC, and being tasked with being the responsible veteran on the pairing, to a 2nd year AHL chaos D in Gernat or an AHL rookie in Simpson.

  137. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    godot10,

    Yes, I was addressing a narrative. I am pro-Marincin.

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