OILERS AT FLAMES, G50 2014-15

Don’t look now but there are signs of chemistry between Justin Schultz and Oscar Klefbom, they may end up being a pairing next season. Coach Nelson may feel he can run that pairing with a veteran duo (Ference/Fayne or Nikitin/Fayne) and then a third pairing that might be Darnell Nurse/Nikitin. I know, I know, they could always trade for Shea Weber but failing another Pronger deal, it seems to me spending money on a free agent this summer would be lunacy.

dylan strome

LOWETIDE TOP 30 PLAYERS IN THE 2015 DRAFT

  1. (1)C Connor McDavid, Erie Otters (OHL) Brock Otten: Everyone knows about his offensive talents (elite speed and vision), his overall game has improved.
  2. (2)C Jack Eichel, Boston U (NCAA) Scout: “But off the rush, I would say Eichel’s is better. That’s where he can be the most dangerous.”
  3. (4)D Noah Hanifin, Boston College (NCAA) Scout: “World-class wheels, elite offensive skills and can run a power play.
  4. (5)C Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (OHL) Brock Otten: Strome is the prototypical 2015 NHL centerman. Big, strong, and skilled.
  5. (3)R Mitch Marner, London Knights (OHL) Brock Otten:  His play with London has been absolutely exceptional the last few months.
  6. (6) D Oliver Kylington, Farjestad (SHL) Goran Stubb, Central Scouting: “He’s a mobile, good, two-way defenseman with excellent skating ability. He loves to join the rush and plays a solid positional game in the defensive zone; he makes a good first pass.”
  7. (7) D Zach Werenski, Michigan (NCAA). He makes good decisions with the puck as well as reading plays defensively. He skates well, is collected with puck, and able to make solid outlet passes.
  8. (9) D Ivan Provorov, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) Cody Nickolet: He’s smart, he skates well, he moves the puck hard and accurately and he can play in any situation you put him in. Think of a guy like Mark Giordano.
  9. (8) R Mikko Rantanen, TPS Turku (SML). Rantanen is a combination of elite-level hockey sense, silky smooth hands, and nimble skating. EP
  10. (10) C Nick Merkley, Kelowna (WHL). Cody Nickolet: Merkley brings a number of attributes to the table including a second-to-none playmaking skillset among WHL draft-eligibles. Along with that he has a smooth but powerful skating stride and the ability to slow the game down.
  11. (11) L Evgeni Svechnikov, Cape Breton (QMJHL). Incredibly skilled offensive winger. Has a remarkably accurate shot to go along with some magic hands.EP
  12. (12) D Jeremy Roy, Sherbrooke Phoenix (QMJHL) Intelligent defenceman that plays high-percentage hockey and is a catalyst for positive plays in all three zones. EP
  13. (17) C Mathew Barzal, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) Cody Nickolet: Barzal has 4 assists tonight and it’s only in the 2nd. Has generated plenty of chances since his return, teammates finishing tonight.
  14. (13) C Anthony Beauvillier, Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL). A dynamic scoring center with good hockey sense. Not very large in stature, but makes up for it in speed, skill, and cunning. EP
  15. (14) C Pavel Zacha, Sarnia Sting (OHL) Brock Otten: With his size, speed, and desire to involve himself physically, he impacts the game in so many different ways.
  16. (20) R Timo Meier, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). A physically dominant winger with the ability to play in a skill or character role. EP
  17. (19) R Daniel Sprong, Charlettown Islanders (QMJHL) A prolific scoring winger who possesses an elite-level skillset: has dynamic skating ability, is a creative passer, and has incredible puckhandling ability.EP
  18. (22) C Travis Konecny, Ottawa 67’s (OHL). Brock Otten: a solid two-way forward who competes hard without the puck. Konecny’s speed is his best asset, as he’s able to transition quickly.
  19. (15) L Lawson Crouse, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL). Brock Otten: His two-way game is incredibly polished and he makes so many plays (whether it be a good pass, a forced turnover, a check to separate his man from the puck) that don’t make it on the score sheet.
  20. (16) C Jansen Harkins, Prince George Cougars (WHL) Cody Nickolet: Harkins is the smartest WHL player in the draft from a hockey sense perspective, displaying great positioning and work ethic, projecting as a guy who can fill a wide array of roles at the next level.
  21. (18) C Filip Chlapik, Charlottetown Islanders (QMJHL). Tall, lean playmaker with a lot of skill.
  22. (23) L Jake Debrusk, Swift Current (WHL). Cody Nickolet: has a good frame, has power to his skating game, shows creative puck distribution skill while also possessing a goal-scorers mentality.
  23. (24) D Mitchell Vande Sompel, Oshawa (OHL) Brock Otten: Whether it be in transition, or on the power play, Vande Sompel’s head for the game in the offensive end is on display.
  24. (26) R Jens Looke, Brynas (SHL). Skilled winger, solid at WJ’s.
  25. (27) D Jakub Zboril, Saint John Seadogs (QMJHL). Puck-moving defenseman with plenty of jump. EP
  26. (21) R Nikita Korostelev, Sarnia Sting (OHL). Brock Otten: If he were to improve his speed, he could be scary good. He’s got a terrific shot and massive goal scoring potential at the next level.
  27. (28) C Jeremy Bracco, USND (USHL). Undersized scorer. 
  28. (29) C Kyle Connor, Youngstown (USHL). Skill center ranked high on BM’s list.
  29. (NR) R Roope Hintz, Ilves (SML) A highly intelligent Finn who can play the role of scorer or playmaker; has killer instincts and a keen eye for scoring opportunities. Very high hockey-IQ and has incredible awareness on the ice. EP.
  30. (NR) R Brock Boeser, Waterloo (USHL). A dynamic offensive winger and natural goal scorer. Has great instincts and is able to quickly get into position for premium scoring chances.

I think the Oilers will pass Arizona and Carolina eventually, Buffalo will win the lottery and the draft will go like this:

  1. Buffalo—Connor McDavid
  2. Arizona—Jack Eichel
  3. Carolina—Noah Hanifin
  4. Edmonton—Dylan Strome

I’m fine with that, especially if the Oilers can grab a pile of luck at No. 23 (Beauvillier or Meier) and No. 32 (Debrusk or Vande Sompel). This draft could sustain Edmonton through 2030 if they get it right. Get it right!

marincin common

NIKITA IS THE OTHER SIDE OF ANY GIVEN LINE IN TIME

Niki Nikitin’s best hockey of the season came right before the injury that looked like (and looks like) a season ender. As for replacements, my guess is Brandon Davidson and my hope is Martin Marincin but for tonight Keith Aulie draws in. The Oilers will recall someone, probably today. MacT gets stubborn on guys, Marincin may be headed out ala Theo Peckham.

BEAT CALGARY

There was a time in this fair land when the railroad did not run and the Calgary Flames lost consistently to the Edmonton Oilers. October 3, 20o1 and Marc Savard scored the only goal for an up and coming Flames outfit and lordy it’s been reversed since that day. If you look at the rosters there’s no screaming hell the other way but Calgary found a way. Todd Nelson can do himself an enormous favor by becoming known as the guy who turned around that damn Oilers—Flames rivalry. Starting tonight, please and thank you!

JUNIOR JUNIOR

  • Leon Draisaitl is now 10gp, 5-10-15 in junior.
  • Zach Nagelvoort has his SP up to .910 after some fine goalering last and this weekend.
  • Tyler Vesel appears to be an actual prospect.
  • Greg Chase is enjoying his time with the Victoria Royals.
  • Curtis Hamilton is playing the best hockey of his pro career and I’d love to see him recalled. Those two-way types have value. He’s about the same age now as Fernando Pisani was when entering pro hockey. I’m not saying he’s Pisani but he’s used his last chance Texaco pretty well this season. Is what I’m saying.

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  1. slopitch says:

    Biggest draft since 2007. Get it right indeed.

    I’m fine with Hanifan or Strome with a lottery ticket. Go Nelson, go oilers. Calgary sucks! 🙂

  2. Cobbler says:

    I would be totally happy if the following comes to pass:

    – Oilers end the season on a decent note
    – Todd Nelson is the coach of the future
    – Lander continues his strong play
    – Yak comes alive
    – Hall, Ebs and Nuge get their production back on track
    – Finish 26-27th
    – Draft Dylan Strome

    Is that too much to ask?

    LT, do have any feeling on how Strome compares with Draisaitl? Are they in the same vein?

  3. dustrock says:

    I can see the Strome pick but he’s not my favourite, especially given the Draisaitl pick.

    To me 4th might be the hardest place to pick. I think I would pick Marner or even Kylington at 4.

  4. John Chambers says:

    Not sure the Oilers are sour on Marincin. Perhaps they’ve seen the light when it comes to effectively developing players in the AHL, a la Lander, and reckon they’d be doing young Marincin a disservice by pressing him into NHL action prematurely.

    The ‘bury him under a pile of leaves’ line was classic albeit.

  5. Woodguy says:

    Interesting quote from Oilers’ Asst. GM Bill Scott in Jones’ piece about Bakersfield:

    “Nothing is going to change with our ECHL philosophy,” said Scott of basically creating a full Double A roster instead of mostly just using the ECHL to develop goaltenders and a couple other players. Head coach J.F. Houle and assistant coach Ben Boudreau, son of Ducks coach Bruce, will both move with the players to Virginia.

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/01/30/moves-in-ahl-falling-canadian-dollar-reaffirm-oilers-focus-on-building-internally

    This dovetails with LT’s want of a AA league.

    Not sure how Bakersfield was different than “goalies and a couple players” though. From the outside it doesn’t look it.

  6. dustrock says:

    The intriguing thing about Kylington is that his season last year looked a lot like Erik Karlsson’s. This year, because of his injury and the move to the lower division, he’s flying under the radar a bit.

  7. John Chambers says:

    Apparently Don Maloney wants to have a fire sale in AZ.

    Of course we can fantasize about Ekman-Larsson, but perhaps a more cost effective target is Martin Hanzal.

    RNH – Hanzal – Gordon (extended) – Lander next season with Drai dominating Junior would be a giant step forward next season.

    Would you entertain Yakupov and our 2nd for Hanzal? Pretty tempting.

  8. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    I’ve been saying of late that to me the most important item here is Justin Schultz.

    Fix Schultz
    Fix Yak
    Fix Lander

    In order of importance. In order of easiest to hardest to do, it’s probably the reverse.
    Nelson has started to fix Lander, is on the cusp of fixing Yak, Schultz is the last key.

    Has to happen. Needs to salvage the 2nd half of his disastrous season. I could tell you in August I saw this coming, but to me the solution isn’t to give up on him, but save him. I still think he could turn things around if he has the right guidance, mentoring, sheltering, and he gets his butt in gear properly on offseason training. Being taken to arbitration and being forced to take a pay cut may light a fire under him?

  9. Woodguy says:

    Here’s the Oiler’s current roster as per their website:

    Forwards:

    JORDAN EBERLE  
    MATT FRASER  
    LUKE GAZDIC  
    BOYD GORDON  
    TAYLOR HALL  
    MATT HENDRICKS  
    ROB KLINKHAMMER  
    ANTON LANDER  
    RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS  
    TYLER PITLICK   **
    BENOIT POULIOT  
    TEDDY PURCELL  
    DEREK ROY  
    NAIL YAKUPOV  

    Dmen:

    KEITH AULIE  
    MARK FAYNE  
    ANDREW FERENCE  
    OSCAR KLEFBOM  
    NIKITA NIKITIN  
    JEFF PETRY  
    JUSTIN SCHULTZ  

    Goalies:
    VIKTOR FASTH  
    BEN SCRIVENS  

    That’s 23 players, which is the NHL max.

    However Pitlick is on the IR, so its really 22.

    Except Nikitin is done for year but not on the IR so its really 21.

    Except Hall’s bone bruise isn’t coming around so its really 20.

    12 Forwards
    6 Dmen
    2 Goalies

    If Hall can’t go tonight and someone tweeks a groin the game day skate they’ll have to play a man down because there is no one to fill in.

    Unless they called someone up from OKC and it hasn’t been announced, but the AHL site has nothing.

    I truly do not understand some of the things this team does.

    Its baffling.

  10. John Chambers says:

    dustrock:
    The intriguing thing about Kylington is that his season last year looked a lot like Erik Karlsson’s.This year, because of his injury and the move to the lower division, he’s flying under the radar a bit.

    Ten years from now everyone will look back and fawn over how nearly everyone was can’t miss at the 2015 draft.

    Nearly everyone save for whoever the Oil select.

  11. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    John Chambers,

    I got laughed out of here and ridiculed by a couple of posters when I suggested just two weeks ago that Arizona may move those two for the right price, i.e., our 1st round pick going their way + something else for Hanzal and OEL.

    I didn’t get laughed at because my proposed package was bad (or whatever). I was told no way would Arizona ever consider moving OEL.

  12. oliveoilers says:

    John Chambers:
    Apparently Don Maloney wants to have a fire sale in AZ.

    Of course we can fantasize about Ekman-Larsson, but perhaps a more cost effective target is Martin Hanzal.

    RNH – Hanzal – Gordon (extended) – Lander next season with Drai dominating Junior would be a giant step forward next season.

    Would you entertain Yakupov and our 2nd for Hanzal? Pretty tempting.

    Hanzal’s so hot right now. (Sorry WG!)

  13. sumaclab says:

    Arizona refuses to go away.Just whenyou think they are down boom they beat the Leafs. I do not think we catch Carolina. They are playing much better hockey now that there 2 big centers are back.

    You have Zacha at 15. I think ( occasionally my wife says I do this) that he’ll drop even further. I see the Oilers having a shot at him with the Pittsburgh pick. His lack of numbers will hurt him like it does Crouse. I like both players and they are exactly what we need in this lineup going forward.

    If its me picking. I take Dylan Strome.

    If your the TB Lightning do you take a run at Petry? Or Matt Hendricks. Regardless that Jason Gregor feels his prescence and his performance have more value on a 29th place team that with out him.Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same results.

    If the GM in me were to make a deal it would be either to the Islanders or the TB Lightning. Both teams have a legitimate shot at winning the EC. The Islanders need depth scoring and the TBay
    need depth defence.

    Edmonton 3-2 win tonight in Cowtown . Eberle 1g and RNH2 apples.

  14. sumaclab says:

    John Chambers,

    I agree that is what they are doing.

  15. Zack says:

    Woodguy:
    Here’s the Oiler’s current roster as per their website:

    Forwards:

    JORDAN EBERLE
    MATT FRASER
    LUKE GAZDIC
    BOYD GORDON
    TAYLOR HALL
    MATT HENDRICKS
    ROB KLINKHAMMER
    ANTON LANDER
    RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS
    TYLER PITLICK **
    BENOIT POULIOT
    TEDDY PURCELL
    DEREK ROY
    NAIL YAKUPOV

    Dmen:

    KEITH AULIE
    MARK FAYNE
    ANDREW FERENCE
    OSCAR KLEFBOM
    NIKITA NIKITIN
    JEFF PETRY
    JUSTIN SCHULTZ

    Goalies:
    VIKTOR FASTH
    BEN SCRIVENS

    That’s 23 players, which is the NHL max.

    However Pitlick is on the IR, so its really 22.

    Except Nikitin is done for year but not on the IR so its really 21.

    Except Hall’s bone bruise isn’t coming around so its really 20.

    12 Forwards
    6 Dmen
    2 Goalies

    If Hall can’t go tonight and someone tweeks a groin the game day skate they’ll have to play a man down because there is no one to fill in.

    Unless they called someone up from OKC and it hasn’t been announced, but the AHL site has nothing.

    I truly do not understand some of the things this team does.

    Its baffling.

    One word: Connor McDavid

  16. Lowetide says:

    Cobbler:
    I would be totally happy if the following comes to pass:

    – Oilers end the season on a decent note
    – Todd Nelson is the coach of the future
    – Lander continues his strong play
    – Yak comes alive
    – Hall, Ebs and Nuge get their production back on track
    – Finish 26-27th
    – Draft Dylan Strome

    Is that too much to ask?

    LT, do have any feeling on how Strome compares with Draisaitl?Are they in the same vein?

    I think Strome and Leon are similar players but there’s no question both will be top six forwards. For me, having one of them move to LW is a small item and having an extra C in the top six is golden.

  17. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “that dame Oilers—Flames rivalry”

    ah… that fickle mistress, more of a latter day Lizbeth Scott than a Veronica Lake in her prime.

  18. Zack says:

    Cobbler,

    Although that would be good for the team this season, with how the scouting reports are sounding, I think this team would be much better off in the long run with a top three pick this year. Exponentially better.

  19. Cobbler says:

    Lowetide,

    I like the idea of trying to load up at C. There must be a high percentage of centers in junior that end up moving to the wing when they turn pro.

    I think “Strome is the prototypical 2015 NHL centerman. Big, strong, and skilled.” dovetails well with MacTavish’s verbal about big, skilled guys, should they fall short on MacEichel.

  20. Cobbler says:

    Zack,

    Agreed, but with the lottery this year, even picking top 3 is far from guaranteed with a 28th place finish.

    I prefer to see them finish playing better hockey than finish battling for ~2% advantage in the lotto and continued doom and gloom.

  21. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    Interesting quote from Oilers’ Asst. GM Bill Scott in Jones’ piece about Bakersfield:

    “Nothing is going to change with our ECHL philosophy,” said Scott of basically creating a full Double A roster instead of mostly just using the ECHL to develop goaltenders and a couple other players. Head coach J.F. Houle and assistant coach Ben Boudreau, son of Ducks coach Bruce, will both move with the players to Virginia.

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/01/30/moves-in-ahl-falling-canadian-dollar-reaffirm-oilers-focus-on-building-internally

    This dovetails with LT’s want of a AA league.

    Not sure how Bakersfield was different than “goalies and a couple players” though.From the outside it doesn’t look it.

    The use of the CHL “drafted” kids basically looks like the Oilers are stubborn as ever to use the AA model.

    But, there is a lot of evidence they are making use of the AA model with the Bob Green acquisitions. This follows from the Arco days.

    Basically, the Oilers under MacT are committed to using non-traditional procurement models and filing non-50 man players away in the minor pro depth chart (think Winquist) in the hopes that they bubble up.

    But, SO FAR… they are unready to fully exploit what the AA model can give them with their pedigreed kids.

    ——-
    of note, they have shown more of a willingness to let drafted D work the AA model (Gernat, Musil, Davidson have all played ECHL)

  22. Lowetide says:

    Cobbler:
    Lowetide,

    I like the idea of trying to load up at C.There must be a high percentage of centers in junior that end up moving to the wing when they turn pro.

    I think “Strome is the prototypical 2015 NHL centerman. Big, strong, and skilled.” dovetails well with MacTavish’s verbal about big, skilled guys, should they fall short on MacEichel.

    Yes. I expect they like Strome plenty.

  23. frjohnk says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    John Chambers,

    I got laughed out of here and ridiculed by a couple of posters when I suggested just two weeks ago that Arizona may move those two for the right price, i.e., our 1st round pick going their way + something else for Hanzal and OEL.

    I didn’t get laughed at because my proposed package was bad (or whatever). I was told no way would Arizona ever consider moving OEL.

    I have thought the same thing.

    If we could get OEL and Hanzal, that would make a good push for the playoffs next year. OEL is the number 1 D man we have not had for about a decade. And Hanzal gives us two years as the number 2 center. He is UFA in 17-18. This means we would not have to rush Draisaitl.

    Arizona needs a player to build around, not only team wise but fan wise. They need someone to fill those seats. If we have the 2nd overall pick ( Eichel) he might be their guy. Not sure what it would take to do something like this but Id hope the oilers entertain the thought of moving that pick.

  24. Woodguy says:

    This will probably be interesting:

    Andy McNamara @AndyMc81 · 43m 43 minutes ago
    Former #Oilers coach Dallas Eakins joins me today on @TSNAnalytics. 4pm start on @TSN1050Radio, tweet us your #analytics questions/comments

    That’s 4pm EST for anyone who’s going to stream it.

  25. jake70 says:

    Really like the song references (whether it’s titles, verse, chorus) in your articles. I am sure I read some and not realize they are from a song, others I get and wonder if your other readers catch the reference.

  26. supernova says:

    Woodguy:
    Interesting quote from Oilers’ Asst. GM Bill Scott in Jones’ piece about Bakersfield:

    “Nothing is going to change with our ECHL philosophy,” said Scott of basically creating a full Double A roster instead of mostly just using the ECHL to develop goaltenders and a couple other players. Head coach J.F. Houle and assistant coach Ben Boudreau, son of Ducks coach Bruce, will both move with the players to Virginia.

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/01/30/moves-in-ahl-falling-canadian-dollar-reaffirm-oilers-focus-on-building-internally

    This dovetails with LT’s want of a AA league.

    Not sure how Bakersfield was different than “goalies and a couple players” though.From the outside it doesn’t look it.

    Woodguy,

    I think their ECHL approach changed with the combination of MacT, Scott and Bob Green.

    The Jones’, Wingquist and a few other players.

    It is really just a one season item in my mind but very good news.

    With a possiblity of all of Betker, Platzer, Houck, Chase, Roy. I am hopeful to see this model progress.

    At the same time if Bob Green can procure some more College FA and CHL FA as well as Euro FA without using one or two spots on the 50 man list this actually bodes really well for down the road.

    If the Oilers can add just one Winquist type acquisition each offseason, we have a real shot at depth.

  27. Lowetide says:

    Jonathan Willis ‏@JonathanWillis 12m12 minutes ago

    #Oilers under Todd Nelson’s sole control (all situations):
    +34/-35 goal diff.
    49.2% Corsi
    10.3 SH%
    0.904 SV%

  28. supernova says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: The use of the CHL “drafted” kids basically looks like the Oilers are stubborn as ever to use the AA model.

    But, there is a lot of evidence they are making use of the AA model with the Bob Green acquisitions. This follows from the Arco days.

    Basically, the Oilers under MacT are committed to using non-traditional procurement models and filing non-50 man players away in the minor pro depth chart (think Winquist) in the hopes that they bubble up.

    But, SO FAR… they are unready to fully exploit what the AA model can give them with their pedigreed kids.

    ——-
    of note, they have shown more of a willingness to let drafted D work the AA model (Gernat, Musil, Davidson have all played ECHL)

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    My bad, didn’t see this post.

    Looks like we are on the same wavelength.

  29. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: The use of the CHL “drafted” kids basically looks like the Oilers are stubborn as ever to use the AA model.

    But, there is a lot of evidence they are making use of the AA model with the Bob Green acquisitions. This follows from the Arco days.

    Basically, the Oilers under MacT are committed to using non-traditional procurement models and filing non-50 man players away in the minor pro depth chart (think Winquist) in the hopes that they bubble up.

    But, SO FAR… they are unready to fully exploit what the AA model can give them with their pedigreed kids.

    ——-
    of note, they have shown more of a willingness to let drafted D work the AA model (Gernat, Musil, Davidson have all played ECHL)

    Josh winquist is an early example of what they might be up to imo.

  30. oliveoilers says:

    Zack: One word: Connor McDavid

    Connor McDavid: One word?

    😉

  31. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide:
    Jonathan Willis ‏@JonathanWillis 12m12 minutes ago

    #Oilers under Todd Nelson’s sole control (all situations):
    +34/-35 goal diff.
    49.2% Corsi
    10.3 SH%
    0.904 SV%

    He cannot be stopped.

    Honestly, he can revert to the meat AFTER this game.

    Just beat the truculence outta them!

  32. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide:
    Jonathan Willis ‏@JonathanWillis 12m12 minutes ago

    #Oilers under Todd Nelson’s sole control (all situations):
    +34/-35 goal diff.
    49.2% Corsi
    10.3 SH%
    0.904 SV%

    The Buffalo game bumps up corsi from 47.8% to 49.3%. Oilers corsi was 66% for that game.

    We need more games against Buffalo!

    In the first game against Buffalo in November, oilers had 33 shots for from the box! 2nd most was 20 at game 17 against Ottawa.

    To put that into perspective, oilers have had 9 games where they have had more than 33 shots.

    Buffalo is baaaaaaaaad!

  33. frjohnk says:

    Zack: One word: Connor McDavid

    That’s 3 words dumbass

  34. verdad2.0 says:

    The suggestion that the OIlers should care about the next decade given the debacle that has unfolded in Edmonton over the last ten years is absurd.
    Who cares how good the Oilers might be in 2025, if they “ace” the later rounds of the 2015 draft.
    This reasoning is just another rationalization to give MacTavish more “at bats” based on some bizarre logic that any fan base cares about the distant future.
    Oilers need real players that can play now.
    Unless they get the first overall pick then trading this year’s pick should be seriously considered.
    This fan base does not deserve any more abuse. Endlessly inveseting in and rationalziing prospects has contributed as much to the horrors of the last tem years as the other failures of Lowe and MacTavish.
    Obsessing on the draft order isn’t as important as finding an appropriate executive to actually make key decisions this spring on how to get present value from the OIlers collection of futures and “never will be’s”. That isn’t MacTavish , btw.

    Laslty, the insane abuse of Marincin is another example as to why he should be removed immediately.

  35. Pouzar says:

    what would it take to get Hanzel and OEL? Hall plus what?

  36. John Chambers says:

    Pouzar,

    Sure, but why entertain it if you’re giving up Hall?

  37. Woodguy says:

    supernova: Woodguy,

    I think their ECHL approach changed with the combination of MacT, Scott and Bob Green.

    The Jones’, Wingquist and a few other players.

    It is really just a one season item in my mind but very good news.

    With a possiblity of all of Betker, Platzer, Houck, Chase, Roy. I am hopeful to see this model progress.

    At the same time if Bob Green can procure some more College FA and CHL FA as well as Euro FA without using one or two spots on the 50 man list this actually bodes really well for down the road.

    If the Oilers can add just one Winquist type acquisition each offseason, we have a real shot at depth.

    Thanks for that.

    I don’t know much about how they run their ECHL unit so its good to see they actually are using it as AA.

  38. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Pouzar:
    what would it take to get Hanzel and OEL? Hall plus what?

    This year’s 1st + a lesser replacement for OEL (D prospect not named Nurse?)

    I don’t think Hall would be involved for a number of reasons. Trading OEL for Hall isn’t getting younger or better or cheaper for Arizona. But adding an Eichel/Hanifin type is.

  39. Pouzar says:

    John Chambers:
    Pouzar,

    Sure, but why entertain it if you’re giving up Hall?

    I would trade Hall in a package for OEL and Hanzel. Nuge (Nurse) are the only untouchables for me.

  40. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Oilers’ 1st rounder (3rd overall) + Marincin + Purcell 25% retained for
    Hanzal + OEL + 3rd rounder?

    Dunno. Throwing shit at the wall.

    I don’t know if the Oilers should make that deal, but it’s interesting to debate!

  41. Woodguy says:

    Here’s a fun toy.

    http://ownthepuck.blogspot.ca/

    It effectively ranks players based on a few metrics on whether they are “first liners” “third liners” or “top pairing” or “3rd pairing”

    Petry kills in in these metrics and shows as a 1st pairing Dman except via pts/60.

  42. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Pouzar,

    I think Arizona makes the deal because they want a #1C, not a winger, even as good as Hall. They don’t go from OEL same age but making less dollars to Taylor Hall.

    They’d probably want Nuge, but that’s a non-starter for me.

    They’d be targeting Eichel/Strome, etc. as well as Marner?

    So maybe the 3rd overall gets them Strome, their 4th overall grabs Hanifin to replace OEL, or they take Marner so they can have the entire Domi-Marner line all in their system.

    And it clears salary.

  43. Genjutsu says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Oilers’ 1st rounder (3rd overall) + Marincin + Purcell 25% retained for
    Hanzal + OEL + 3rd rounder?

    Dunno. Throwing shit at the wall.

    I don’t know if the Oilers should make that deal, but it’s interesting to debate!

    I’d think you’d have to wait to see where that pick is. If you win the lottery That pick becomes the one thing you never trade.

  44. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    Here’s a fun toy.

    http://ownthepuck.blogspot.ca/

    It effectively ranks players based on a few metrics on whether they are “first liners” “third liners” or “top pairing” or “3rd pairing”

    Petry kills in in these metrics and shows as a 1st pairing Dman except via pts/60.

    Great find.

    Check out your buddy Brad Stuart.

  45. russ99 says:

    We can’t progress next year without at least 2 new NHL quality defensemen: one to replace Petry and one top pairing guy acquired by any means necessary, other than moving our top pick, RNH or Hall, or Yak due to his low trade value and potential upside.

    Signing Nikitin has been a disaster, and he should be bought out. Ference will be harder to move due to the NTC, but he also needs to go for reasons of his declining play and as “management’s voice” in the room. I’d prefer real leaders that lead on and off the ice than someone who gave Eakins ridiculous amount of lip service and clashed with the core.

  46. Pouzar says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: This year’s 1st + a lesser replacement for OEL (D prospect not named Nurse?)

    I don’t think Hall would be involved for a number of reasons. Trading OEL for Hall isn’t getting younger or better or cheaper for Arizona. But adding an Eichel/Hanifin type is.

    Good point on Hall. Would you trade the 1st Plus lesser D prospect for OEL?

  47. Pouzar says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Oilers’ 1st rounder (3rd overall) + Marincin + Purcell 25% retained for
    Hanzal + OEL + 3rd rounder?

    Dunno. Throwing shit at the wall.

    I don’t know if the Oilers should make that deal, but it’s interesting to debate!

    I would run to the fax machine if that was offered. That puts the rebuild in overdrive. But I suck at scouting and GMing. And I don’t even know how to use a fax machine.

  48. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Genjutsu,

    Ya, that’s why I put (3rd overall) in there.

  49. Pouzar says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Genjutsu,

    Ya, that’s why I put (3rd overall) in there.

    I also have no idea what the salary implications are of that proposed deal.

  50. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk: Great find.

    Check out your buddy Brad Stuart.

    I love it when opposing teams are run by ex-players with no management experience.

    Sakic : “I remember playing against Stuart, he’s awesome, let’s give him 2 more years!”

    Roy: “Yes! He was awesome”

    Related: I hate it when my team is run by an ex-player with no management expereince:

    MacT: “Let’s give Ference 4 years, I remember when he was great for the Penguins!”

  51. Woodguy says:

    russ99,

    Signing Nikitin has been a disaster, and he should be bought out.

    If the season ends and Nikitin is still on IR, they won’t be able to buy him out this summer.

  52. Unicorns says:

    To me this draft will define the Oilers’ future. I think they are still lacking dynamic offensive elements that would take them from being a ‘playoff team’ to an elite team. Really the Oilers only have Hall – Yak isn’t close yet. That isn’t Nuge’s game.

    Drafting Strome gives the Oilers with Leon another skilled solid undynamic centre with size, average skating, to go with Nuge. That makes the Oilers solid, average scoring, heading to a defense first style.

    McEichel gives the Oilers a talent more dangerous than Hall, and at centre. That makes the Oilers an attacking team with two lines with speed that are always dangerous and keep teams on their heels, followed by a strong third line with a skilled big centre that has decent speed. I know what I like watching.

  53. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Pouzar,

    OEL has a cap hit of $5.5M for 4 more years but the salaries go up: $6M, $6M, $6.5M, $7.0M
    This is probably why he may become available, because of Arizona’s finances.

    Hanzal makes $3.5M per for 2 more years

    Marincin makes $810K but is RFA this summer. So, let’s say Arizona signs him for $1M
    Purcell makes $4.5M but for only one more year, and if the Oilers retain 25 %, that brings his cap hit down to $3.375M and then is off the books.

    I don’t think Arizona wants Purcell, but Oilers need to move SOME salary over.

    So Arizona clears $9M in cap space (and $9.5M+ going forward in actual dollars). And takes on $4.475M, plus adds a blue chip C prospect (Strome or Eichel) or a cheaper OEL replacement (Hanifin). They also have their own pick, and could walk away from the draft with, say:

    Hanifin, Eichel, Marincin and a boat load of cap space.

    Oilers would run:

    Hall-Nuge-Eberle
    Pouliot-Hanzal-Yakupov

    Top two lines.

    And a blue of
    OEL-(Petry-ha!)
    Klefbom-Schultz
    Nurse-Fayne

  54. Pouzar says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Great post. Fire up the fax machine!

  55. spoiler says:

    D Ivan Provorov, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) Cody Nickolet: He’s smart, he skates well, he moves the puck hard and accurately and he can play in any situation you put him in. Think of a guy like Mike Giordano.

    Don’t know where Mike is playing, but if he’s anything like Mark, the Oilers should be hot on his heels.
    😉

  56. G Money says:

    Lowetide:
    Jonathan Willis ‏@JonathanWillis 12m12 minutes ago

    #Oilers under Todd Nelson’s sole control (all situations):
    +34/-35 goal diff.
    49.2% Corsi
    10.3 SH%
    0.904 SV%

    That’s a thorougly average team, albeit with better than average sh% and below average goaltending.

    “Average” was my aspirational goal for this team at the start of the season. A level that would leave them (in the West) a few spots below the playoffs, which is where I thought they would be.

    A level that would be a vast improvement on the last many years.

    A level that represents meaningful progress on the road back to respectability.

    Wooh!

    I have had tickets for tonights game at the Sad Dull Dome since the start of the season … and up until three weeks ago, was not planning to go. Now I am. And I expect a decent game.

    Thanks Todd Nelson!

    Unicorns: To me this draft will define the Oilers’ future.

    Every draft in the last five years has defined the Oilers’ future. That’s why the future has mostly sucked when it became the present.

    That said, looking out over this draft, since it is clear that we are no longer in the McEichel DFL sweepstakes, the next challenge is to ensure that we finish no higher than 26th. That guarantees you one of the top 5.

    Based on the verbiage that LT posted, to me it looks like a rather substantial dropoff from 5 to 6. Word balance goes from things like consistently “exceptional”, “elite”, “world class” to more along the lines of “good”, “solid”, “composed”.

    Let’s go Oilers! But not too much! *clap, clap*
    Let’s go Oilers! But not too much! *clap, clap*
    Let’s go Oilers! But not too much! *clap, clap*

  57. spoiler says:

    Woodguy:
    Interesting quote from Oilers’ Asst. GM Bill Scott in Jones’ piece about Bakersfield:

    “Nothing is going to change with our ECHL philosophy,” said Scott of basically creating a full Double A roster instead of mostly just using the ECHL to develop goaltenders and a couple other players. Head coach J.F. Houle and assistant coach Ben Boudreau, son of Ducks coach Bruce, will both move with the players to Virginia.

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/01/30/moves-in-ahl-falling-canadian-dollar-reaffirm-oilers-focus-on-building-internally

    This dovetails with LT’s want of a AA league.

    Not sure how Bakersfield was different than “goalies and a couple players” though.From the outside it doesn’t look it.

    I thought you listened to Lowe on Stauffer’s show earlier this week? Although Lowe didn’t put it as “nothing is going to change” but rather as “this is the philosophy we want to use”. IIRC.

  58. TheOtherJohn says:

    Woodguy,

    That is how Gilbert departed Minny. They wanted to buy out Heatley, couldn’t. IR, so Gilbert got trundled out of town. Nikitan agent negligent if his clients recovery does last till May. Saves him fro being bought out. Good thing he’s not overpaid

  59. oliveoilers says:

    Pouzar:
    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Great post. Fire up the fax machine!

    You know there’s a hipster somewhere with a ‘fax’ app on his I-phone that allows you to plug into a fax machine and send a text to fax. Just because.

  60. Hammers says:

    G Money: That’s a thorougly average team, albeit with better than average sh% and below average goaltending.

    “Average” was my aspirational goal for this team at the start of the season.A level that would leave them (in the West) a few spots below the playoffs, which is where I thought they would be.

    A level that would be a vast improvement on the last many years.

    A level that represents meaningful progress on the road back to respectability.

    Wooh!

    I have had tickets for tonights game at the Sad Dull Dome since the start of the season … and up until three weeks ago, was not planning to go.Now I am.And I expect a decent game.

    Thanks Todd Nelson!

    Every draft in the last five years has defined the Oilers’ future.That’s why the future has mostly sucked when it became the present.

    That said, looking out over this draft, since it is clear that we are no longer in the McEichel DFL sweepstakes, the next challenge is to ensure that we finish no higher than 26th.That guarantees you one of the top 5.

    Based on the verbiage that LT posted, to me it looks like a rather substantial dropoff from 5 to 6.Word balance goes from things like consistently “exceptional”, “elite”, “world class” to more along the lines of “good”, “solid”, “composed”.

    Let’s go Oilers!But not too much! *clap, clap*
    Let’s go Oilers!But not too much! *clap, clap*
    Let’s go Oilers!But not too much! *clap, clap*

    But with this line up none of us expected making the playoffs this year .Like you I expected a close but not close enough situation . Goalies & “D” still major problem .

  61. Gret99zky says:

    Lowetide: Don’t look now but there are signs of chemistry between Justin Schultz and Oscar Klefbom, they may end up being a pairing next season. Coach Nelson may feel he can run that pairing with a veteran duo (Ference/Fayne or Nikitin/Fayne) and then a third pairing that might be Darnell Nurse/Nikitin.

    If Petry goes at the deadline and MacT attempts to run the same defense he has now plus Nurse, get ready for another season of ELPH.

    There needs to at least two veteran NHL level defensemen added. FA or trade.

    Nurse needs to spend an entire season in the AHL.

    KLowe, Howson, and MacTavish are killing, killing, killing this team. Year after year after year.

    We wait.

  62. Hammers says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Woodguy,

    That is how Gilbert departed Minny. They wanted to buy out Heatley, couldn’t. IR, so Gilbert got trundled out of town. Nikitan agent negligent if his clients recovery does last till May. Saves him fro being bought out. Good thing he’s not overpaid

    At least he would be on IR so insurance pays him . He can stay on IR until next Christmas as far as i’m concerned ,hell all next year .

  63. Bank Shot says:

    Gret99zky: If Petry goes at the deadline and MacT attempts to run the same defense he has now plus Nurse, get ready for another season of ELPH.

    There needs to at least two veteran NHL level defensemen added.FA or trade.

    Nurse needs to spend an entire season in the AHL.

    KLowe, Howson, and MacTavish are killing, killing, killing this team.Year after year after year.

    We wait.

    Whoa Whoa Whoa. Don’t lump Craig in with those other two. He’s only been here for 6 months or something.

  64. Pouzar says:

    Not that I know much about James Tanner but here is his opinion on potential OEL availability.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/James-Tanner/Oliver-Ekman-Larsson-on-the-Block/200/66011

    “OEL is not going anywhere. That is, unless Buffalo or Edmonton wants to throw the Coyotes their top pick.”

  65. spoiler says:

    Screw Mike Giordano. We need this guy. The Stanweir is strong within this one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72RqpItxd8M

  66. G Money says:

    Hammers: But with this line up none of us expected making the playoffs this year .

    At the start of this year, I would estimate that the ‘make the playoffs’ crew had a slight numerical disadvantage over the ‘don’t make the playoffs’ crew. 40-60 maybe.

    That was an interesting change from last year, when the ‘make the playoffs’ crew outnumbered the ‘won’t make the playoffs’ crew by a wide margin to start the season. Optimism reined.

    To say ‘none of us expected making the playoffs’ this year is quite inaccurate.

  67. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Pouzar:
    Not that I know much about James Tanner but here is his opinion on potential OEL availability.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/James-Tanner/Oliver-Ekman-Larsson-on-the-Block/200/66011

    “OEL is not going anywhere. That is, unless Buffalo or Edmonton wants to throw the Coyotes their top pick.”

    Is he a credible source? He calls people out for calling the top two guys McEichal [sic] while misspelling Eichel’s name twice. Not exactly high quality reporting.

  68. Hammers says:

    Just wondering who most fans want OEL or Hanzal . Consider OEL may jump us to the 5-6 pick and Maloney will want our 1st pick and a million dollar player or two . Say Lander & Marincin . McT is going to need at least 5 or 6 players averaging at $1 mill next year .

  69. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: I truly do not understand some of the things this team does.

    Its baffling.

    That’s because they know a thing or two about winning.

    And you and I do not.

  70. Bank Shot says:

    G Money: At the start of this year, I would estimate that the ‘make the playoffs’ crew had a slight numerical disadvantage over the ‘don’t make the playoffs’ crew.40-60 maybe.

    That was an interesting change from last year, when the ‘make the playoffs’ crew outnumbered the ‘won’t make the playoffs’ crew by a wide margin to start the season.Optimism reined.

    To say ‘none of us expected making the playoffs’ this year is quite inaccurate.

    I was taking quite a bit of flack for stating that this season’s roster didn’t look much improved from last season’s.

    Now we are looking at 2016/2017 as a realistic timeline for making the playoffs.

    Sane fans would have abandoned this team a long time ago.

  71. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: Is he a credible source? He calls people out for calling the top two guys McEichal [sic] while misspelling Eichel’s name twice. Not exactly high quality reporting.

    He’s not reporting, nor does he claim to be.

    This is simply an opinion piece on what he thinks it would take to get OEL.

    ————–
    That Maloney quote was raw meat for twitter/blogs… but it really is nothing more than MacT’s standard “well, Gretzky was traded… so”

  72. RexLibris says:

    Hey, LT.

    Disagree with you on Carolina getting beneath Edmonton on the league standings.

    They still have some decent possession numbers, a recognizable #1 goaltender, C depth, and play in the East.

    Their goal differential right now is about half what Edmonton’s is and the Oilers are just beginning to have a few injuries now ahead of the deadline sell-off.

    I think the first two are possible (Buffalo and Arizona), and that even if the Oilers finish 29th they’re *likely* looking at 3rd overall, so Hanifin-Marner-Strome is the discussion.

    If they take Hanifin then you hold your breath and cross your fingers for two years and hope he stays healthy and develops.

    If they take Strome then you bask in the glory of decent C depth for the first time in forever and hope they can show more patience with him than they did with Draisaitl this past season.

    If they take Marner then you use your media pass to try and let the Oilers at least let you drive Yakupov to the airport when they move him for Brad Marchand.

  73. doritogrande says:

    I think if we wind up 4th in the lottery, I’d prefer to see a trade down to pick up an additional 2nd rounder. If this draft is as deep as thought having 4 picks in the first 60 should be the way to go. Drop down, but not out of the top-10, pick up Provorov and use the additional pick to snag his D-partner in Brandon the Pilon kid. If the goal out of any draft is to get two NHLers (as has been stated previously), even getting one of those two Wheat Kings to make the grade should be seen as a success.

    Oh, and quit pumping Barzal’s tires LT. We need him to be the guy who falls to the Pittsburgh pick.

  74. Cameron says:

    Lowetide,

    If ‘Mike’ Giordano is half as good as Mark he must be a pretty good player.

  75. Pouzar says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: Is he a credible source? He calls people out for calling the top two guys McEichal [sic] while misspelling Eichel’s name twice. Not exactly high quality reporting.

    Not sure. He’s been on the Coyote beat for hockeybuzz for a while.

  76. leadfarmer says:

    If OEL is really available we better be calling. Send them what they want. Trade em Hall if that’s what it takes. Hall and Eichel or MacDavid would go a long way to up the value of that franchise and the Oil get a 25 min a night defender signed for slightly more than Nikitin

  77. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Jack Michaels ‏@EdmontonJack 2m2 minutes ago
    Hall won’t play. Scrivens starts at Calgary.

  78. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    leadfarmer: Hall and Eichel or MacDavid

    Whoa – Hall and McEichel for OEL?

    checks to see if OEL’s parents are Wayne Gretzky and Larry Robinson

    I’m declaring that proposal as Unbold.

  79. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Auston Matthews ’16: Whoa – Hall and McEichel for OEL?

    checks to see if OEL’s parents are Wayne Gretzky and Larry Robinson

    I’m declaring that proposal as Unbold.

    I gather he means they get Hall in the trade and draft the other.

  80. spoiler says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I think so too, although the misunderstanding was worth it for the OEL’s parents line.

  81. spoiler says:

    Bohologo:
    The level of discourse on this blog has become disappointing. Effective immediately, I wish to see the following:

    -drink recipes from that drink recipe guy
    -pictures of Tuesday Weld
    -extended disquisitions or monologues about why you hate the Flames

    That is all.

    spoiler:
    Screw Mike Giordano. We need this guy.The Stanweir is strong within this one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72RqpItxd8M

    Kung Fuhrer didn’t do it for you?

  82. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Jack Michaels ‏@EdmontonJack2m2 minutes ago
    Hall won’t play.Scrivens starts at Calgary.

    I knew it.

    In the GDT for Buffalo I said the Oilers were going to start Scrivens because Fasth lost, then the Oilers would win because Sabres, and Scrivens was not especially good in that game, and the Oilers would go back to him for the Flames game.

    Cameron, if you’re reading this, I hope I’m wrong but otherwise enjoy the victory.

  83. slopitch says:

    If NN is injured at the end of the year, they can ltir him for year 2 of his contract?

    I wonder if we can get OEL without moving hall or the pick? Offer the mystical quantity for quality trade we’ve been waiting for for years. When we were moving pronger, Anaheim refused to move perry or getzlaf. That still stands out to me. Pitts 1st plus 2 prospects not named nurse, drai or Klefbom. I’d also wait till the offseason.

  84. frjohnk says:

    slopitch:
    If NN is injured at the end of the year, they can ltir him for year 2 of his contract?

    I wonder if we can get OEL without moving hall or the pick? Offer the mystical quantity for quality trade we’ve been waiting for for years. When we were moving pronger, Anaheim refused to move perry or getzlaf. That still stands out to me. Pitts 1st plus 2 prospects not named nurse, drai or Klefbom. I’d also wait till the offseason.

    If Arizona is looking to move OEL, they have 29 trading partners, not just us. To get him you are going to overpay. Just imagine what Philly would give up to get a D man like that.

    They could send something like Courturier, a prospect and this years first.

    And then you see that you are starting with Hall, Nuge or this years pick to get above that and enter into the conversation of getting OEL.

    You are not getting into the conversation with something like Marincin, Pitts 1st and Lander.

    Not even close.

  85. RexLibris says:

    Funny that Schultz is the photo for today.

    Reading the EJ this morning and they were talking about guys getting up for this game – something I haven’t seen the Oilers do in perhaps a decade.

    I remembered the stories about Messier sitting next to Kent Nilsson trying to amp him up in the dressing room and started thinking about what it would take for Schultz to get up for a game. Any ideas? More or less than 1.21 Gigawatts?

  86. go_oil says:

    Woodguy:
    Interesting quote from Oilers’ Asst. GM Bill Scott in Jones’ piece about Bakersfield:

    “Nothing is going to change with our ECHL philosophy,” said Scott of basically creating a full Double A roster instead of mostly just using the ECHL to develop goaltenders and a couple other players. Head coach J.F. Houle and assistant coach Ben Boudreau, son of Ducks coach Bruce, will both move with the players to Virginia.

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/01/30/moves-in-ahl-falling-canadian-dollar-reaffirm-oilers-focus-on-building-internally

    This dovetails with LT’s want of a AA league.

    Not sure how Bakersfield was different than “goalies and a couple players” though.From the outside it doesn’t look it.

    The other interesting quote for me:

    “Drafting and developing is the only way you’re going to field a competitive team in my opinion.

    “You look at guys like Anton Lander, four years into his career now, and no one saw this side of him, even last year, even in training camp. He just needed a little bit more time. And now he’s playing really well.

    “Everybody wants to rush. We’re all impatient. We all want to get there quickly. But it’s critical to give these guys the time and the space to find their game and to get to that level. And we really think this is a major improvement in the development part.”

    Whoever they draft in July – if it’s not McDavid or Eichel – I hope they’re not rushed. Also why I’m not concerned with Marincin being in Oklahoma… hopefully they don’t give up on him and he either comes back up after Petry leaves or he arrives in the Fall.

    Whatever changes happen this summer with management and coaching, if the development plan slows to that of the Detroit model with draft picks – that will be a win. 2010 picks on the cusp this Fall – the rest can percolate.

    And I think someone has mentioned this before, but I think this team arrives when Nurse or perhaps even Klefbom emerges as a number 1 defensemen… and of course when the goaltending curse ends.

  87. Ray says:

    OEL + Hanzel? I’d give all of our picks this year plus Arizona’s pick of UFA’s to be.

    You’ve stated you don’t trust the scouts anyways….

  88. Auston Matthews '16 says:

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    Nikitin likely out 4-6 weeks.

  89. VanOil says:

    Following MacT’s stated vision of ‘Two impact player per draft’ I would look at a trade up scenario packaging Pits late 1st rounder and Oilers early 2nd for a mid 1st round pick.

    If the Oilers land Hanifin I would trade up for Zacha at #15. I think his offense and draft stock is falling because of adjustments to Canada, suspensions and injury.

    If the Oilers draft Strome I would trade up Kylington. I think the playing in North American bias will have Werenski and Provorov being drafted above him.

    The Oilers leaving the draft with Hanifin-Zacha or Strome-Kylington would be a good result. The Oilers having the patience not to bring any of them to the NHL for 2 to 3 years would be a great result.

  90. VanOil says:

    RexLibris,

    Would Methamphetamine and Rye (to angry the blood) be an over reach?

  91. G Money says:

    RexLibris: I knew it.
    In the GDT for Buffalo I said the Oilers were going to start Scrivens because Fasth lost, then the Oilers would win because Sabres, and Scrivens was not especially good in that game, and the Oilers would go back to him for the Flames game.

    Dammit. That plus Hall out.

    Now I don’t want to go to the game again.

  92. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    G Money: Now I don’t want to go to the game again.

    But you’ll still get to watch Johnny Cocky ™.

  93. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: He’s not reporting, nor does he claim to be.

    This is simply an opinion piece on what he thinks it would take to get OEL.

    ————–
    That Maloney quote was raw meat for twitter/blogs… but it really is nothing more than MacT’s standard “well, Gretzky was traded… so”

    Yes, as soon as I hit, “post comment” with the word “reporting” written there, I regretted it. But I fell asleep and forgot, woke up and figured, okay, which LT poster is going to call me out on that one.

    Congrats, Rom.

    I meant “writing.” It’s still shoddy writing. And thanks for calling me out!

  94. gogliano says:

    Carolina is a pretty decent team when they have NHL Centers in their lineup. They also have an Eastern schedule with a lot of home games. Doubt we catch them.

    Arizona is the more likely team we’d catch but the tank move of dealing DD has been softened by Mike Smith’s recent play. 0.917 in his last 5. Still .890 on the season but if he plays at his career average of .910 or so Arizona will be getting more points. They already have a 5 point lead with a game in hand and probably the tiebreaker in the event of a tie.

    Seems to me though that after the big two there are three pretty great players who are unlikely to drop below five (Strome, Marner, Hanifin) so it is almost inconceivable that we don’t get one of them. Slotting in #5 might make it easier for the Oilers to do something stupid, which in the draft is pretty well defined as whoever drafts Crouse too high, but I’m not sure the exact placement will matter too much except in how it affects the odds of getting one of the big two (29th is still a real decent shot, not so much after that).

    Really hope Buffalo wins the lotto. Not many fanbases have had it rougher. ’06 should have been EDM-BUF if it wasn’t for injuries and “FOOT IN THE CREASE” was one of the most ridiculous SCF moments of all time.

    For tonight I’m hoping that the Falmes destroy us in the Corsi battle and we get insane puck luck to beat them 6-2.

  95. Watchaliveinside says:

    Lowetide, I just watched this documentary on old people and music. I thought of you, and it made me cry a few times and belly laugh a lot. It’s called, “Alive inside” 2014

    Go Oilers!!!

  96. Cameron says:

    Auston Matthews '16: But you’ll still get to watch Johnny Cocky ™.

    Yep, our 4th rnd pick is already better than Hall. Enjoy.

  97. frjohnk says:

    Just looking at which teams have it easier the rest of the way.

    As it currently stands it.

    These are the games left
    Hurricanes 34
    Coyotes 34
    Oilers 33

    points
    Hurricanes 40
    Coyotes 40
    Oilers 35

    These are the amount of games left against non playoff teams

    Hurricanes 18 ( 3 of these are against teams fighting for playoff spots, Kings, Ducks, Avs, Wild)
    Coyotes 11 ( 3 of these are against teams fighting for playoff spots, Kings, Ducks, Avs, Wild)
    Oilers 14 ( 8 of these are against teams fighting for playoff spots, Kings, Ducks, Avs, Wild)

    I did not look at back to back games for and against, but hands down Hurricanes have the easiet schedule out of these 3. Coyotes still have 2 games against the Sabres but their schedule is about as tough as the oilers.

    Here is score adjusted fenwick since Nelson took over
    Hurricanes 51.5%
    Coyotes 46.5%
    Oilers 49.5%

    I think this is how it plays out.

    30th Buffalo
    29th Yotes
    28th Oilers
    27th Hurricanes

    Oilers end up 28th or 29th.

    If oilers goalies were to go on a hot stretch, then they take 28th, but if Smith were to regain his form from last year, Yotes could slide into 28th. I also think Yotes will be the biggest sellers come the deadline.

    I think Sabres and Hurricanes are untouchable for the Oilers.

  98. jake70 says:

    Cameron: Yep, our 4th rnd pick is already better than Hall. Enjoy.

    Ouch.

  99. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: I thought you listened to Lowe on Stauffer’s show earlier this week?Although Lowe didn’t put it as “nothing is going to change” but rather as “this is the philosophy we want to use”. IIRC.

    Didn’t get a chance to listen.

  100. Woodguy says:

    Eakins up next on TSN Analytics.

    I’m listening here:

    http://www2.tsn.ca/toronto/listen/

  101. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Jack Michaels ‏@EdmontonJack2m2 minutes ago
    Hall won’t play.Scrivens starts at Calgary.

    Hope someone doesn’t get a hangnail during warm up.

    Smartest men in the room.

  102. jake70 says:

    Woodguy:
    Eakins up next on TSN Analytics.

    I’m listening here:

    http://www2.tsn.ca/toronto/listen/

    Listening in…interesting. Thanks for the link.

  103. jake70 says:

    Did I hear correctly – Eakins saying someone in the media in Edmonton emailed him within days of Delllow being hired…asking why the team hired that “prick”? (ie…Dellow).

  104. leadfarmer says:

    Anyone know which bone Hall bruised. You really should be not involved with contact sports or sometimes even non-weight bearing for fear of collapsing the bruised bone. Just put him on IR and let him rest for a couple of weeks.

  105. frjohnk says:

    Can somebody who is listening to the Eakins interview give a summary.

    Thanks.

  106. rickithebear says:

    spoiler: D Ivan Provorov, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) Cody Nickolet: He’s smart, he skates well, he moves the puck hard and accurately and he can play in any situation you put him in. Think of a guy like Mike Giordano.
    Don’t know where Mike is playing, but if he’s anything like Mark, the Oilers should be hot on his heels.

    mark Giordano:
    02-03 (19yr) CHL
    03-04 (20yr) CHL
    04-05 (21) AHL
    05-06 (22) AHL
    06-07 (23)AHL
    NHL 48 GM 7G 15P 3rd comp
    7-8 (24) KHL
    8-9 59gm (25) 2G 19P +2 2nd comp 2.68 EVGA Phanuef/Sarich
    9-10 82gm (26) 11G 30P +17 3rd cop 1.55 EVGA Bowmeester/ Pardy
    10-11 82gm (27) 8G 43P -8 3rd comp 2.67 EVGA Sarich/ Bouwmeester
    11-12 61gm (28) 9G 27P Even 2nd comp 2.42 EVGA S. Hanna
    12-13 47gm (29) 4G 15P -7 2nd comp 3.95 EVGA bouwmeester/ Weidman
    ——————— He becomes a 1st comp Dman with good defense
    13-14 (30) 64gm 14G 47P +12 1st comp 2.20 EVGA Brodie
    14-15 (31) 49gm 11G 41P +8 1st comp 2.15 EVGA Brodie

    Yeah I will pass on a dman that cannot play d till he is 30 and the only reason seems to be partnering with Brodie.

  107. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Anyone know which bone Hall bruised.You really should be not involved with contact sports or sometimes even non-weight bearing for fear of collapsing the bruised bone.Just put him on IR and let him rest for a couple of weeks.

    Ankle

  108. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk:
    Can somebody who is listening to the Eakins interview give a summary.

    Thanks.

    Here’s a link to the interview: http://t.co/SzbZaHvgp9

    Also a fun quote:

    McGuire, Liam @LiamRMcGuire · 48m 48 minutes ago
    Dallas Eakins on @TSNAnalytics: Oilers received an email from EDM media saying will anybody talk about the hiring of a “prick” [IE Dellow].

    Here’s a link to the full quote:

    https://twitter.com/LiamRMcGuire/status/561645360465330176

    Thin thinned, entitled, idiotic EDM Sports MSM FTW!

    My money is on Spector.

  109. oliveoilers says:

    leadfarmer:
    Anyone know which bone Hall bruised.You really should be not involved with contact sports or sometimes even non-weight bearing for fear of collapsing the bruised bone.Just put him on IR and let him rest for a couple of weeks.

    Pubic

  110. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    Woodguy: My money is on Spector.

    Tych 2nd place?

  111. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy: Here’s a link to the interview: http://t.co/SzbZaHvgp9

    Also a fun quote:

    McGuire, Liam @LiamRMcGuire·48m 48 minutes ago
    Dallas Eakins on @TSNAnalytics: Oilers received an email from EDM media saying will anybody talk about the hiring of a “prick” [IE Dellow].

    Here’s a link to the full quote:

    https://twitter.com/LiamRMcGuire/status/561645360465330176

    Thin thinned, entitled, idiotic EDM Sports MSM FTW!

    My money is on Spector.

    It’s got to be Spector. Has to be. Is there any previous, apart from the twitter war, between the two? Or is it a case of “he effin’ started it.”?

  112. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy: Here’s a link to the interview: http://t.co/SzbZaHvgp9

    Also a fun quote:

    McGuire, Liam @LiamRMcGuire·48m 48 minutes ago
    Dallas Eakins on @TSNAnalytics: Oilers received an email from EDM media saying will anybody talk about the hiring of a “prick” [IE Dellow].

    Here’s a link to the full quote:

    https://twitter.com/LiamRMcGuire/status/561645360465330176

    Thin thinned, entitled, idiotic EDM Sports MSM FTW!

    My money is on Spector.

    Thanks. I’ll look it up later

  113. oliveoilers says:

    Auston Matthews ’16: Tych 2nd place?

    Spec – Tych tag team? While the ref is distracted by Vince McMahon?

  114. Woodguy says:

    Auston Matthews ’16: Tych 2nd place?

    Or the amazingly irrelevant Derek Van Diest.

  115. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    rickithebear: mark Giordano:
    02-03 (19yr) CHL
    03-04 (20yr) CHL
    04-05 (21) AHL
    05-06 (22) AHL
    06-07 (23)AHL
    NHL 48 GM 7G 15P 3rd comp
    7-8 (24) KHL
    8-9 59gm (25) 2G 19P +2 2nd comp 2.68 EVGA Phanuef/Sarich
    9-10 82gm (26) 11G 30P +17 3rd cop 1.55 EVGA Bowmeester/ Pardy
    10-11 82gm (27) 8G 43P -8 3rd comp 2.67 EVGA Sarich/ Bouwmeester
    11-12 61gm (28) 9G 27P Even 2nd comp 2.42 EVGA S. Hanna
    12-13 47gm (29) 4G 15P -7 2nd comp 3.95 EVGA bouwmeester/ Weidman
    ——————— He becomes a 1st comp Dman with good defense
    13-14 (30) 64gm 14G 47P +121st comp 2.20 EVGA Brodie
    14-15 (31) 49gm 11G 41P +8 1st comp2.15 EVGA Brodie

    Yeah I will pass on a dman that cannot play d till he is 30 and the only reason seems to be partnering with Brodie.

    Holy smokes. Ricki, I know you have your favorites, but you’d pass on Girodano. Wow.

  116. Woodguy says:

    oliveoilers: It’s got to be Spector.Has to be.Is there any previous, apart from the twitter war, between the two?Or is it a case of “he effin’ started it.”?

    Not sure.

  117. godot10 says:

    1) The team I worry about tank-wise now is Toronto. Shanahan has gone full Monty-tank.

    2) The only position player on the Oilers with a big ticket that Arizona would be interested in for OEL would be Nugent-Hopkins. They want to reduce salary and rebuild. Nugent-Hopkins is young enough for them. But Nugent-Hopkins is untouchable. McEichel would certainly also get the Oilers in the OEL game. Hanifan and Draisaitl (or Hanifan and Yakupov) might do it.

    3) Hanifan replaces OEL. If Draisaitl, Maloney drafts Marner. If Yakupov, Maloney drafts Strome.

    4) Draisaitl should be an AHL player next year, so I don’t care if he gets traded in a OEL deal. Centres should shake loose because of the small cap increase, and capped strapped teams. i.e. Revisit Anisimov.

    5) I think Maloney’s real plan is moving Yandle. OEL stuff is not really serious.

    6) #JustSayNoah

  118. Ben says:

    Typical schoolyard bullshit from Edmonton old-school MSM.

    But….Tyler is (was) a prick on Twitter. I seriously love his work, and feel grateful for everything that he shared (for FREE!!!!), but he was so quick to condescend and berate. You could surely argue that this reaction was sometimes “deserved”, but it rarely seemed productive.

    The smartest-guy-in-the-room schtick is certainly more tolerable when the guy probably *is* the smartest guy in the room – but the successful smart guys I’ve met generally don’t seem to need to rub your face in it the way both Tyler and his various salaried nemeses seem to.

    $0.02.

  119. leadfarmer says:

    I think the OEL trade talk stuff is similar to the Hall trade talk stuff. You give us an offer we can’t refuse and maybe we will consider it, otherwise go away.

  120. Woodguy says:

    Ben:
    Typical schoolyard bullshit from Edmonton old-school MSM.

    But….Tyler is (was) a prick on Twitter.I seriously love his work, and feel grateful for everything that he shared (for FREE!!!!), but he was so quick to condescend and berate. You could surely argue that this reaction was sometimes “deserved”, but it rarely seemed productive.

    The smartest-guy-in-the-room schtick is certainly more tolerable when the guy probably *is* the smartest guy in the room – but the successful smart guys I’ve met generally don’t seem to need to rub your face in it the way both Tyler and his various salaried nemeses seem to.

    $0.02.

    While I’m certainly not going to say that Tyler was humble on twitter (ha!) I did witness more than a few of these scraps and they usually went like this:

    1) Tyler points out why something a MSM wrote was incorrect
    2) MSMer tells Dellow watch the game instead of defending their work
    3) Tyler restates the position with some proof and snark
    4) MSMer makes basement comment
    5) Tyler rips their intelligence or knowledge of hockey with all kinds of snark

  121. Mr DeBakey says:

    Woodguy: Or the amazingly irrelevant Derek Van Diest.

    Van Diest would’ve thrown in a gratuitous Hemsky insult methinks.

  122. fifthcartel says:

    Woodguy,

    The media criticizing Dellow while hurling softballs at the Oilers for years is pretty comical.

    Being absolutely awful for years and making numerous questionable management decisions? That’s fine. Now about that analytics consultant….

  123. Woodguy says:

    godot10,

    1) The team I worry about tank-wise now is Toronto. Shanahan has gone full Monty-tank.

    Oilers are behind the Leafs by 13pts and they have 2 reasonable goalies

    Oilers are behind ARI by 5pts and their goalies let in 7 goals on 31 shots today.

    Maloney’s got 29th wrapped up.

    Mike Smith let in 5 on 20 shots today for a solid .750 bringing his SV% this year to .890 and he’s the undisputed starter.

  124. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Guys- I’d be careful throwing out names assuming which MSM guy said that.

    Talking about general MSM saying this or that is fine, but start lobbing accusations at certain reporters won’t end well.

    Just don’t want to see anyone here in a nasty situation.

  125. Woodguy says:

    Sounds like Hall is thinking straight about this injury:

    Oilers winger Taylor Hall skated with the team Saturday morning in Calgary for the first time since he took a shot off the leg during Monday’s practice, forcing him to miss the last two games.

    Despite taking to the ice for morning skate, Hall will not return to action for Saturday night’s Battle of Alberta but hopes to return against the Sharks on Monday. On top of skating, he also discussed the injury with the media for the first time on Saturday morning, saying the practice puck struck him in an unlucky spot.

    “I took a shot right where there’s no protection right above the boot,” he said. “It’s just an unfortunate thing, it hit right on the bone, right on the fibula and bruised it pretty bad. It’s always tough to tell with foot injuries. When you get hit with a puck, sometimes it hurts really bad and goes away 30 seconds later. But this one hung around and I realized I wasn’t going to be able to practice and eventually wasn’t going to be able to play.”

    Whereas he admitted he may have rushed himself back into the Oilers lineup a bit following his knee injury earlier this season, Hall said he wants to give his leg ample time to heal completely before he returns.

    “There was a lot of pain on the day I hurt it, and there’s still pain today,” Hall said. “I just want to get it to a point where it’s not going to get worse. I can play through a little bit of pain, but you don’t want it to be so bad that it keeps getting worse and then you’re out of the lineup again.”

    Source: http://oilers.nhl.com/club/blog.htm?id=23

  126. Woodguy says:

    As per Nelson on the Oilers’ blog Nikitin is 4-6 weeks:

    Nikita Nikitin injured his shoulder in the third period of the Oilers game against Buffalo on Thursday night. With Nikitin out, Keith Aulie will play in Calgary. Nelson provided an update on the defenceman, who is out indefinitely but does not need surgery at this time.

    “At this point, he does not,” Nelson said. “We’re looking at 4-6 weeks for him. There’s no surgery with him, it’s just more or less trying to get better.”

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=36522

    If this is true he may not end the season on the IR.

    If I were the Oilers I’d push rehab and not surgery so I could buy him out in the summer.

  127. Cameron says:

    Bohologo: Dude, with the exception of all the correct spelling, that is a note-perfect parody of a Flames fan. Nice one!

    (To be fair, that is not really the way “round” is spelled, but it adds authenticity. Well crafted!)

    11-18-29 -8 in 41gms

    vs

    15-22-37 even in 48gms

    Or, if you prefer, we could compare big blue bubbles on the Vollman sledgehammer. You do have someone with blue bubbles in your sledgehammer, right?

  128. Woodguy says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Guys- I’d be careful throwing out names assuming which MSM guy said that.

    Talking about general MSM saying this or that is fine, but start lobbing accusations at certain reporters won’t end well.

    Just don’t want to see anyone here in a nasty situation.

    I don’t see anything here that would be worth litigating over.

    We’re speculating on who called Tyler a prick to the Oilers and the source is the ex-coach.

    Pretty banal stuff.

  129. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Dellow should take it as a compliment.

    The baseball world and media hated Billy Beane for many years. There was a quote, I can’t remember who said it. “If I were Billy Beane, I wouldn’t have written ‘Moneyball.'” Beane, of course, did not write ‘Moneyball.’

    I have friends who think I know shit about hockey because they love Schultz and hate Marincin and they turned out to be right because he is in the AHL. Or so they say. They say advanced stats are bullshit because of that vs. people who know and play hockey. Well, I played, too. Yet I believe in the stats. They’re not perfect. Nowhere near so. But they help paint a better picture. Why wouldn’t I use every tool available to me as a manager in hockey? People criticizing the use of them are dinosaurs.

    In my field, especially here in Canada, everyone thinks he’s an expert on stock A or stock B. He tells me how and when I should buy or sell it because he knows “all the players in it.” It’s this buddy, old school, chummy mentality. And when I use stats and data to refute their claims they tell me, “well, you don’t know how it works in Canada.” And when I ignore them and crush their performance using the same stats-based trading that works in every other market in the world, they hate me. Because I represent change.

    I’m no Dellow, but I’d wear the term “prick” as a badge of honor.

  130. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Woodguy,

    I wasn’t referring to litigation. I just don’t want to see anyone get into a nasty spat, that’s all. Once we know who it is, then fine, but throwing out tons of names isn’t really fair, is it?

  131. Rocknrolla says:

    oliveoilers: Spec – Tych tag team?While the ref is distracted by Vince McMahon?

    Wasn’t it Tychkowski that wrote the scathing article the next day after the hiring? I think it was him and his interview on Neilsen and Fraser showed he had a personal beef. Almost felt like a “hey, how come the oilers hired some blogger, and I work for a big paper and should have been hired by the team!?!”

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but the prick email feels in that vein…

  132. Bruce McCurdy says:

    frjohnk: If Arizona is looking to move OEL, they have 29 trading partners, not just us.To get him you are going to overpay.Just imagine what Philly would give up to get a D man like that.

    They could send something like Courturier, a prospect and this years first.

    That seems like a lot.

  133. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Thin thinned, entitled, idiotic EDM Sports MSM FTW!
    My money is on Spector.

    Ha!

    Right after seeing that on twitter, I thought to myself: “Spector”

    Also… “thin thinned” is my new nick name for him.

  134. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy:
    As per Nelson on the Oilers’ blog Nikitin is 4-6 weeks:

    Nikita Nikitin injured his shoulder in the third period of the Oilers game against Buffalo on Thursday night. With Nikitin out, Keith Aulie will play in Calgary. Nelson provided an update on the defenceman, who is out indefinitely but does not need surgery at this time.


    “At this point, he does not,” Nelson said. “We’re looking at 4-6 weeks for him. There’s no surgery with him, it’s just more or less trying to get better.”

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=36522

    If this is true he may not end the season on the IR.

    If I were the Oilers I’d push rehab and not surgery so I could buy him out in the summer.

    Nikitin has had a lot of shitty luck this year. Ankle sprain, back injury, recurrence of back injury, now a shoulder issue.

    I know folks love to reef on the guy but I doubt that he’s been fully healthy for more than a handful of games all season (the last few before this latest nick).

  135. Pouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    I would be shocked if NN were bought out.

  136. Woodguy says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Woodguy,

    I wasn’t referring to litigation. I just don’t want to see anyone get into a nasty spat, that’s all. Once we know who it is, then fine, but throwing out tons of names isn’t really fair, is it?

    I get your point now.

    All the names mentioned have a long history of antagonizing fancystat people.

    Its honest guessing.

  137. Woodguy says:

    Rocknrolla: Wasn’t it Tychkowski that wrote the scathing article the next day after the hiring?I think it was him and his interview on Neilsen and Fraser showed he had a personal beef. Almost felt like a “hey, how come the oilers hired some blogger, and I work for a big paper and should have been hired by the team!?!”

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but the prick email feels in that vein…

    Tych wrote the scathing article the next day.

    Its was Van Diest who was grinding axes on 1260.

    Van Diest was so off base his spot made The Sporting News:

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2014-08-11/one-more-thing-hockey-analytics-nhl-numbers-corsi-fenwick-tyler-dellow-oilers

  138. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Ha!

    Right after seeing that on twitter, I thought to myself: “Spector”

    Also… “thin thinned” is my new nick name for him.

    That was a typing error, but now I’m not going to fix it.

    😀

  139. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Nikitin has had a lot of shitty luck this year. Ankle sprain, back injury, recurrence of back injury, now a shoulder issue.

    I know folks love to reef on the guy but I doubt that he’s been fully healthy for more than a handful of games all season (the last few before this latest nick).

    I’ll give you that Bruce.

    That being said, Its pretty hard to argue that no Nikitin for $1.5MM over the next two years is worth less than an actual Nikitin for $4.5MM next year though.

  140. Cameron says:

    Bohologo: Less effective parody of a Flames fan here, I’m afraid; don’t forget the endemic innumeracy! Otherwise convincing, keep up the yuks!

    Olier fandom, where reality, parody, and tragedy, are indistinguishable.

  141. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    Woodguy: Maloney’s got 29th wrapped up.

    But he doesn’t look too happy about it!

  142. Lowetide says:

    Auston Matthews ’16: But he doesn’t look too happy about it!

    He’s a good man, that’s tough to see. His team is awful.

  143. book¡je says:

    Woodguy:
    “There was a lot of pain on the day I hurt it, and there’s still pain today,” Hall said. “I just want to get it to a point where it’s not going to get worse. I can play through a little bit of pain, but you don’t want it to be so bad that it keeps getting worse and then you’re out of the lineup again.”

    Is anyone else worried that Hall is about to get traded to the Hershey Bears?

  144. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    The top one is priceless!

  145. Lowetide says:

    Rom: Ha! Man it has to be pure salt for those guys.

  146. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Auston Matthews ’16:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    The top one is priceless!

    I love the one where he covers his mouth to swear. I bet his wife hectored him about that.

    “quit swearing around the kids!”
    “I tried… I just can’t. I can’t do it. I can’t give it up.”
    “Well… then cover your mouth. Something Dave. Do something or this conversation will never end for you.”

  147. go_oil says:

    Really interesting interview with Eakins. He defends/praises Dellow, talks about Corsi as an indicator of long term success (alludes to finding a formula before being fired, raising the Oiler’s Corsi from 44% the previous year to 51%), and also touches on the structure of the team not being there yet – saying a team needs a dominant centre, defensemen and goalie – whereas the Oiler’s best player is a left-winger. He also talks about the need to develop the team and not make any knee-jerk reactions and Niall’s commitment to development.

    I think centre and defence is developing in the system. Hopefully a number 1 goalie emerges via draft or trade. I think the Oilers should trade for a Markstrom or Lehner.

  148. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Rom: Ha! Man it has to be pure salt for those guys.

    As a mostly sober fan, I go through a wide range of strong emotions. I couldn’t imagine watching it as something I built and for which my job depended on. Must be excruciating.

  149. frjohnk says:

    go_oil:
    Really interesting interview with Eakins.He defends/praises Dellow, talks about Corsi as an indicator of long term success (alludes to finding a formula before being fired, raising the Oiler’s Corsi from 44% the previous year to 51%), and also touches on the structure of the team not being there yet – saying a team needs a dominant centre, defensemen and goalie – whereas the Oiler’s best player is a left-winger. He also talks about the need to develop the team and not make any knee-jerk reactions and Niall’s commitment to development.

    I think centre and defence is developing in the system.Hopefully a number 1 goalie emerges via draft or trade.I think the Oilers should trade for a Markstrom or Lehner.

    Thanks.

  150. RexLibris says:

    Rather than the Flames/Oilers game I will be taking in the Slice GIrls v Berzerkhers http://www.e-villerollerderby.com/

    That is some good, wholesome fun!

  151. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    Cameron: Olier fandom

    Olier.

    I’m reminded of a lovely quote: Some people bring joy and happiness wherever they go – others, whenever they go.

  152. sliderule says:

    Eichel with 2-2-4 pts last night now 23 games 15-25-40 pts.

    Draft year pts for last two big ncaa scorers.

    Kessel 39 gms 18-33-51

    Toews. 42 GMs 22-17 -39

    Eichel has already blown away Toews and Kessel is in his sights

  153. sliderule says:

    Cameron,

    Give it to us Cameron.

    The oilers deserve it.

    However,what goes around comes around.

    I trust you will be as good at taking it as handing it out.

  154. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Ha!

    Right after seeing that on twitter, I thought to myself: “Spector”

    Also… “thin thinned” is my new nick name for him.

    Thin thinned is great. Reminds me of his article titles then the subsequent article. Honestly, I’ve trodden in deeper puddles in IGA parking lot.

  155. oliveoilers says:

    Cameron: Olier fandom, where reality, parody, and tragedy, are indistinguishable.

    You’re the mean kid from an Eighties school movie that challenges us at something mundane, but then loses and turns into being not as bad as we thought.

    We need a montage! Sweep the leg!

  156. Lowetide says:

    I remain surprised by how quickly Oilers fans have turned on Taylor Hall. I think many in this fanbase have chosen hills to die on and they are a curious bunch of hills.

  157. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide:
    I remain surprised by how quickly Oilers fans have turned on Taylor Hall. I think many in this fanbase have chosen hills to die on and they are a curious bunch of hills.

    I like all of the young star players, including Schultz.

    Ference wouldn’t even be bad as a 6th defenceman with an “A”.

    Arrogant jackass types who fail to deliver *cough Eakins* *cough MacT* *cough Kevin Lowe* are another matter entirely.

    Having said THAT, so long as MacT doesn’t trade away the youngsters he’s tolerable.

    Taylor Hall cannot be duplicated. The fans must simply be bitch slapped at this point.

  158. Alpine says:

    Not sure if anyone here hasn’t already seen it, but twitter user @MimicoHero developed visual representations (HERO charts) of usage adjusted Corsi For/Against for individuals. They’re in the form of horizontal bar charts, with tiers of 3rd pairing, top four, and top four pairing. Ryan Batty put up the Oilers D charts on C&B yesterday.

    The Oilers had three(!) players with a top pairing level CF%, with Petry and Marincin(!) having above or near top pairing CF and CA and Fayne having below top four CF but way above the threshold for top pairing level CA. Klefbom’s chart couldn’t be found but I assume based on a quick BTN trip that he would be in the same realm as the others. Even adjusting for sometimes generous concessions afforded by usage adjusted metrics. that’s four Oilers D performing at a decent top four level. I realize Corsi isn’t perfect but it’s a useful enough indication of some kind of objective performance. It’s kind of amazing how close the Oilers are to having a near respectable NHL D core, but WOW will they do anything in their power to mess around with it.

  159. Auston Matthews '16 says:
  160. hunter1909 says:

    go_oil: Really interesting interview with Eakins.

    go_oil: saying a team needs a dominant centre, defensemen and goalie

    The man is a genius.

  161. Lowetide says:

    Mitch Moroz scores his first pro goal. Good for the kid!

  162. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide:
    I remain surprised by how quickly Oilers fans have turned on Taylor Hall. I think many in this fanbase have chosen hills to die on and they are a curious bunch of hills.

    Agreed. I took a ‘shot’ off an 8yo at the 4H xmas skate at ankle height and it freakin’ smarted. Jeebus knows what one from even an AHL on the Oilers feels like.

    I’d like to think we’re making progress. Of course, I’m as susceptible as the next fan to swings in fickleness, but usually after some beer and a bad game. The salve of time and the balm of this blog eventually has me righted.

    Once again, like I said the other day about Eberle, whatever this team’s problems are, Hall is not among them. Anybody who thinks otherwise is…..well, wrong.

    And I don’t care if he gave your sister’s friend’s gynecologist’s pool boy’s buddy the bird for an autograph at 3:30am outside the club.

  163. Lowetide says:

    Moroz (Khaira, Marincin) 1-0 OKC

  164. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    Glad to see you Hunter. This big bully, Camoron has been harassing us all afternoon!

  165. oliveoilers says:

    hunter1909:
    The man is a genius.

    That is as close as “it’s MacTs fault” as we’re ever likely to get!

  166. russ99 says:

    Are they really running Ference – Schultz tonight?

    Did the last two games where Klefbom and Schultz played well together not happen?

    Man, some of the decisions with this club are head-scratching…

  167. book¡je says:

    Lowetide:
    I remain surprised by how quickly Oilers fans have turned on Taylor Hall. I think many in this fanbase have chosen hills to die on and they are a curious bunch of hills.

    Has the fan base really turned on Hall? I have been a bit less tuned in as of late.

  168. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    I remain surprised by how quickly Oilers fans have turned on Taylor Hall. I think many in this fanbase have chosen hills to die on and they are a curious bunch of hills.

    Hence the creation of the phrase:

    “Oiler Fans Deserve The Oilers”

    OFDTO

  169. Lowetide says:

    book¡je: Has the fan base really turned on Hall?I have been a bit less tuned in as of late.

    Lots of people I read and talk to, yes. It’s weird.

  170. Woodguy says:

    Alpine:
    Not sure if anyone here hasn’t already seen it, but twitter user @MimicoHero developed visual representations (HERO charts) of usage adjusted Corsi For/Against for individuals. They’re in the form of horizontal bar charts, with tiers of 3rd pairing, top four, and top four pairing. Ryan Batty put up the Oilers D charts on C&B yesterday.

    The Oilers had three(!) players with a top pairing level CF%, with Petry and Marincin(!) having above or near top pairing CF and CA and Fayne having below top four CF but way above the threshold for top pairing level CA. Klefbom’s chart couldn’t be found but I assume based on a quick BTN trip that he would be in the same realm as the others. Even adjusting for sometimes generous concessions afforded by usage adjusted metrics. that’s four Oilers D performing at a decent top four level. I realize Corsi isn’t perfect but it’s a useful enough indication of some kind of objective performance. It’s kind of amazing how close the Oilers are to having a near respectable NHL D core, but WOW will they do anything in their power to mess around with it.

    I linked to it earlier in the thread.

    Good description.

  171. godot10 says:

    go_oil:
    Really interesting interview with Eakins.He defends/praises Dellow, talks about Corsi as an indicator of long term success (alludes to finding a formula before being fired, raising the Oiler’s Corsi from 44% the previous year to 51%), and also touches on the structure of the team not being there yet – saying a team needs a dominant centre, defensemen and goalie – whereas the Oiler’s best player is a left-winger. He also talks about the need to develop the team and not make any knee-jerk reactions and Niall’s commitment to development.

    I think centre and defence is developing in the system.Hopefully a number 1 goalie emerges via draft or trade.I think the Oilers should trade for a Markstrom or Lehner.

    1) Eakins cheated for Corsi…taught to the test. So it was a meaningless improvement.
    2) He has a #1 overall at centre, and didn’t develop him at all. Nugent-Hopkins progress stalled to a snail’s pace under Eakins. Dominant centres are developed. They don’t fall from the sky.
    3) He had a D (in Schultz) that everyone in the league wanted, and Eakins did nothing in his 110 games and two training camps to develop the player.
    4) Every goaltender Eakins touched turned to s@#$.
    5) Eakins kept on benching his best defensemen.
    6) Eakins banished his most ready D prospect (Marincin) back to the AHL.
    7) You coach the team you have, not some fantasy team in your head where you don’t have to do any coaching, and just stand behind the bench with you $1000 suit (no water drop please) and your finely coiffed hair.
    8) And you effed up Nail. So eff you.

    New coach, one goal against less with the same players, and nearly a flat goal differential Eakins, you are just a pathetically bad coach.

  172. Pouzar says:

    Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman 39s39 seconds ago
    Fucale-MTL pulled tonight after stopping 9/13. SV% with Quebec down to .887, .889 on the season.

    I don’t know about Hall but a lot of the Oiler fan base wanted to draft this kid.

  173. godot10 says:

    Pouzar:
    Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman39s39 seconds ago
    Fucale-MTL pulled tonight after stopping 9/13. SV% with Quebec down to .887, .889 on the season.

    I don’t know about Hall but a lot of the Oiler fan base wanted to draft this kid.

    MacT was going to draft him, but Montreal saved the day, picked him right before the Oilers blew a 2nd round pick on a goaltender, and the Oilers then did the two trade downs for more picks.

  174. Ben says:

    re: Hall

    If you only bring a knife to a gunfight, don’t blame the fucking knife.

    OFDTO

  175. Lowetide says:

    Marco Roy scored tonight, now 41gp, 20-15-35

  176. Lowetide says:

    Keven Bouchard is awful.

  177. Pouzar says:

    Nice neutral zone steal and pass by Moroz. Then he covers the point on a MM pinch. Nice shift all around there.

  178. Pouzar says:

    OH MY WORD what a pad save by Brossoit there. Brilliant.

  179. Gret99zky says:

    Lowetide:
    I remain surprised by how quickly Oilers fans have turned on Taylor Hall. I think many in this fanbase have chosen hills to die on and they are a curious bunch of hills.

    I see it as management turning on Taylor Hall. They haven’t provided him with a balanced roster or a chance at the post season since his arrival. KLowe has been pissing away his career for 5 years.

    This may translate into a “Why should I give a shit” attitude from Hall after every November.

    And who can blame him?

    The fans, I guess.

  180. Pouzar says:

    Marincin continuing the most sought after organizational trait. Missing the net.

  181. AZOIL says:

    Would next years 1st and Eberle be enough to get OEL? Or start the conversation?

  182. Pouzar says:

    25-8 shots for OKC

  183. Pouzar says:

    Moroz eats 2 punches to the face on a scrum and no call. WTF?

  184. Pouzar says:

    Yakimov uses the big body to walk out front and get a nice shot off. Pickard had to make a nice reflex pad save there.

  185. Pouzar says:

    Once again, seein Oesterle good. OKC color guy singing his praises as well. “calm decisions”

  186. rickithebear says:

    Cameron let’s end this:
    This is gaudreau,s 21 year.
    12-13 was halls 21 year.

    Since lockout.
    Hall to 48 gm 21 year season.
    #11 60g. 80a 145 pt
    #95 16g 22a 38p

    Gaudreau better?
    Sure!

  187. hunter1909 says:

    Cameron,

    With 5 cups, I think Oilers fans know something about winning.

    Also, I think most NHL GM’s would love to have our 3x 1st picks, plus Disraitl, plus Nurse, plus whichever ridiculous talent will available for the currently in line to draft 2nd team.

    Now. Go back to your silly playoff race with the Kings.

  188. G Money says:

    DAMN. Turns out I have two spare tickets to the game. A buddy of mine has a spares for a suite… Anyone able to make it here in the next 15 mins?!??

  189. hunter1909 says:

    godot10: Eakins, you are just a pathetically bad coach.

    Sure. But what about those suits?

  190. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: Mitch Moroz scores his first pro goal. Good for the kid!

    I’m rooting for Moroz. No reason he can’t make the bigs at 23. Or 24.

  191. hunter1909 says:

    G Money: Anyone able to make it here in the next 15 mins?!??

    Only if it’s Star Trek.

  192. hunter1909 says:

    Cameron: OILER fandom, where reality, parody, and tragedy are indistinguishable.

    Pathos. You can’t forget pathos.

  193. gogliano says:

    frjohnk:
    Just looking at which teams have it easier the rest of the way.

    As it currently stands it.

    These are the games left
    Hurricanes34
    Coyotes34
    Oilers33

    points
    Hurricanes40
    Coyotes40
    Oilers35

    These are the amount of games left against non playoff teams

    Hurricanes 18( 3 of these are against teams fighting for playoff spots, Kings, Ducks, Avs, Wild)
    Coyotes11 ( 3 of these are against teams fighting for playoff spots, Kings, Ducks, Avs, Wild)
    Oilers14 ( 8 of these are against teams fighting for playoff spots, Kings, Ducks, Avs, Wild)

    I did not look at back to back games for and against, but hands down Hurricanes have the easiet schedule out of these 3.Coyotes still have 2 games against the Sabres but their schedule is about as tough as the oilers.

    Here is score adjusted fenwick since Nelson took over
    Hurricanes 51.5%
    Coyotes 46.5%
    Oilers 49.5%

    I think this is how it plays out.

    30th Buffalo
    29th Yotes
    28th Oilers
    27th Hurricanes

    Oilers end up 28th or 29th.

    If oilers goalies were to go on a hot stretch, then they take 28th, but if Smith were to regain his form from last year, Yotes could slide into 28th.I also think Yotes will be the biggest sellers come the deadline.

    I think Sabres and Hurricanes are untouchable for the Oilers.

    Home / Road:

    Carolina: 18 / 15 (after NYR)
    Arizona: 17 / 16
    Edmonton: 15 / 18 (before CAL)

    Back to back (+ second team played):

    Carolina: 5 (NYI, NJD, NYI, CLB, BOS, DET)
    Arizona: 6 (MON, STL, NYR, NYI, VAN, SJ*)
    Edmonton: 5 (NYI, ANA, DET, CLB, LAK)

    *head to head

    Games remaining against Buffalo:

    Carolina: 1
    Arizona: 2
    Edmonton: 0

  194. gogliano says:

    Drais with a goal and an assist in the 1st period. +2.

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