DID THE EAKINS ERA COST THE OILERS?

I believe it’s miles too early to answer any questions in regard to the Edmonton Oilers of the Eakins era but it isn’t too soon to ask those questions and begin to frame the answer based on current factual evidence.

  • Did the Dallas Eakins era set back the organization?

Way too soon to know and it isn’t like Teemu Hartikainen is lighting up the world. However, it’s also true that several young Oilers (many, but notables include Nail Yakupov and Justin Schultz) did not progress under Eakins. Early signs show promise under Todd Nelson. If the trend continues, what are we to make of it? Do we give Nelson all the credit or lay blame on Eakins?

  • Is Nelson’s success with the prospects (Lander, Klefbom, Schultz) a result of asking less of them and more of the team’s veterans?

As we discussed last night, it does appear the Klefbom—Schultz pairing is getting favorable opportunities. It appears to be a reasonable plan—let these young men get used to the speed of the NHL game before throwing them in the deep end—and it was clear running Schultz so much (and I know they were chasing games) was not productive. Is this something we’re going to see through season’s end? If the lines and pairings are run this way and are successful, can we assume that Dallas Eakins’ handling of these young players was a mistake?

Lots of questions we can ask and we can cobble together evidence too. I don’t think it’s reasonable to make sweeping statements so soon after the exit. If you’d like my personal viewpoint, I think Eakins helped this team in several important areas and was a victim of the damndest goaltending and luck. It is fair to wonder why so many kids struggled during his time with the organization.


Leon is finding the range now, it’s a good time to look at all of the CHL players under Edmonton’s draft umbrella and how they’re doing. I’ve thrown in Marner, Strome and Crouse just for fun. Estimated points/60 and estimated TOI via CHLStats.com.

  1. Dylan Strome 48gp, 33-59-92 (4.68/60; 24.81 TOI)
  2. Mitch Marner 45gp, 35-58-93 (4.54/60; 27.04 TOI)
  3. Leon Draisaitl 11gp, 7-10-17 (3.97/60; 22.33 TOI)
  4. Marco Roy 42gp, 20-17-37 (3.94/60; 13.42 TOI)
  5. Kyle Platzer 46gp, 22-37-59 (2.73/60; 27.69 TOI)
  6. Jackson Houck 45gp, 15-23-38 (2.73/60; 17.56 TOI)
  7. Greg Chase 41gp, 15-29-44 (2.50/60; 25.71 TOI)
  8. Darnell Nurse 28gp, 8-19-27 (2.33/60; 25.71 TOI)
  9. Lawson Crouse 35gp, 18-10-28 (1.58/60; 27.16 TOI)
  10. Ben Betker 45gp, 4-20-24 (1.46/60; 21.96 TOI)

There’s an age difference but it’s clear the two OHL kids are superior (Leon was 3.83/60 in his draft year) and would be welcome additions. Crouse is coming on but is not close to the other two in terms of offensive potential. Hanifin, Strome or Marner are the correct choices. I think the Oilers grab Strome. He has some skating issues but the young man is 6.03, 187 as a draft eligible and may grow to a giant. Who would I take? Wildly undecided. My top 5 right now is McDavid, Eichel, Marner, Hanifin, Strome but the 3 through 5 change daily. It’s a good thing we have some more miles to go.

As for the Oilers kids, Draisaitl, Chase and Nurse are signed. It makes sense to sign all of Roy, Platzer, Houck and Betker but one wonders if Edmonton has the room.

I WANT TO BELIEVE!

The Hat has an article up in the Globe & Mail about the Oilers finally turning a corner. It is here. In it, he quotes Jordan Eberle:

  • Eberle: “the biggest thing I’m noticing is, we’re playing better as a team. We’re playing better as a five-man unit systematically. We’ve upped our tempo in practice a little bit and we’re playing more like that in games. Those two things – and we’re starting to enjoy coming into the locker room a bit more. A lot of that goes with winning, but it’s really a catalyst in helping you play better too.”

We’re seeing some very astute observers choose sides on the Nelson impact but for me it’s still too early. At season’s end we’ll have 40+ games to look at, or about the period Ralph Krueger coached the team. Edmonton was 7-22-7 when MacT went back upstairs, they are 7-7-2 with solo Nelson. The record has improved and hell maybe practice does help the team’s competitiveness at the beginning of the game.

I can create an argument that suggests better goaltending, luck and a Pouliot scoring streak have more to do with that 7-7-2 run we’ve seen under Nelson. I’m not buying into the Nelson turnaround—but would like to—and firmly believe drawing conclusions today (good or bad) is folly. Too soon. I will say his apparent handling of the younger set (easier minutes) makes good sense and puts the pressure where it should be—MacT’s choices for big contracts.

Too soon to know.

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189 Responses to "DID THE EAKINS ERA COST THE OILERS?"

  1. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Brigitte! Lordy, that’s a way to start a Friday.

    I agree it’s too soon. The difference so far may be Fasth finding the range.
    That said, remember Belov saying he was leaving because of Eakins? It’s probably true that Eakins was a polarizing figure within the organization. You didn’t hear people saying they were leaving the Oilers because of Krueger, for example.

    In that one respect, I do think we can say Dallas Eakins cost the Oilers.

  2. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Also saw this item on twitter.

    Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
    Talks intensified between Ducks and Sabres on Tyler Myers. Other teams have interest in Myers. Can he be traded ? Its[sic] a real possibility.

    Would the Oilers be kicking the tires?

  3. Dicky94 says:

    I don’t think it would have mattered who was coaching this team at the beginning of the season. They were destined to lose right from the get go. Not having a veteran centre for Leon to play under and AHL equivalent defence and goaltending cost the Oilers dearly. I do like Nelson’s laid back approach with the players though. He will be back next year. Now… Really hope T.O beats the Devils tonight so that its not the Oil ending their losing streak. I would never hear the end of it from my old man.

  4. supernova says:

    I can agree that it’s to early to make a call on Nelson being the fix and on Eakins being the whole issue.

    I think Eakins coaching ability shows in situations and in certain things, he seemed to be a good instructor of certain items. Maybe captaining the whole ship as it was constructed was just to much.

    Eakins seems like he would be a good fit with a veteran team, that needs a new voice.

    Reminds me of someone who might be a really good Coordinater or position coach in football but the duties and responsibilities of the head man seem to show multiple weaknesses.

    I am not saying he will never be a good coach. In fact using the above analogy the 2 super bowl coaches both were previously fired as HC, and had to reset.

    The fact the team talks often of coming to the rink in more positive way is huge. They were down and defeated under Eakins. He never found the way to allow positivity and confidence to come into to the team as a whole or to individual players once they got down. This extended to long losing streaks, underperformance, and lack of team scoring.

    It’s a poorly assembled roster. Other coaches seem to find magic to get poor rosters to perform better. Eakins found none.

  5. tubes says:

    That woman is beautiful. Never heard of her before today.

    Strome or Hanifan in my opinion.

    OT: GF has pointed out that Nelson picked up some new suits. He no longer has the guy who lost 30 lbs and still had the same clothes look.

  6. murray says:

    The goal tending has been a bit better under Nelson but still not good. I think one of the biggest difference between Eakins and Nelson has been Nelson having better options at #2 and #3 center. Eakins had Arco and Draisaitl combine for 21 points in 73 games, .288 ppg. Meanwhile Nelson has gotten 17 points in 31 game for .548 ppg from Lander and Roy. Now some of that is on MacT for keeper Draisaitl for so long and not acquiring a more proven center like Roy earlier, however Lander was on the farm all year and if Eakins really wanted him he could have had him.

  7. wunderbar says:

    I think that that what we will find over time is that Eakins is a coach who coaches to corsi. That is to say he doesn’t coach to get the most out of the players, but coaches to hit a corsi number, and believed that once that corsi number was hit, everything would turn north.

    Now, fancystats are a real thing, there is no rational person who will dispute that, but I do think there is be a pendulum swing too far in their direction in some cases. They are a stat, not the be all end all to good play. You don’t coach your goalie to tell him he needs to have a .920SV, if he plays well that will take care of itself. Same goes with a lot of the fancystats.

    I think that fancystats show a result a good play, and are not the cause of it. I think Eakins is a victim of thinking the opposite.

  8. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    tubes:
    That woman is beautiful. Never heard of her before today.

    Forgive me for asking, but were you born yesterday?

  9. j says:

    For me, whether the turn around is legitimate or not, the biggest difference is the attitude around the team – from the players to the media. There is a sense that the team is bonding, playing a bit more aggressively, and learning to fight through tough games. The cloud of despair is rising. That is a huge item and cannot be discounted. If nothing else, Nelson has helping this group become a ‘team’ and that has made being a Oiler fan a lot more enjoyable. I have heard people state on this blog and others that the only thing that counts is winning the Cup. I say bollocks. I’d rather have 15 years of highly enjoyable, competitive hockey than one cup. It is possible the fans in Pittsburgh are moaning over the lack of cups, but they have had almost 20 years of the best players on the planet – Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby and Malkin – with only 1 cup since 1992 to show for it. I’d take that in a heartbeat.

  10. rich says:

    Agree that it’s too early for sweeping statements.

    It’s clear that Eakins did have his faults and was also hurt by poor goaltending and luck. I’ll grant you that.

    But it’s also clear that Eakins was hurt by a roster that did him no favors and that’s on the GM. The GM’s critical comments of the inherited #1 goalie in the summer of 2013 (if you’re having to ask the question…) hurt the confidence of a man who was fragile going in. The lack of center depth going into this season absolutely helped sewer the start. Nikitin a bust on defense.

    Give Nelson some credit for the turnaround, but much of this too has to do with the GM finally addressing the massive hole at C and sending Draisaitl back to juniors and bringing in Roy. Plus yes, better goaltending.

    I do give Nelson credit for his handling the kids, but it sure helps when your GM finally addresses the holes in the rosters and to that degree, it’s just as much on the rookie GM as it is the rookie coach.

  11. kinger_OIL says:

    LT – As I was driving my son to school this morning (he’s in a French School, and requests this French Radio station as we drive). They are playing a song by Brigitte Bardot: “Je t’aime, moi non plus” So great timing with your Brigitte photo, and I think that song is a good proxy for your ambiguous feelings when evaluating Dallas’s regime. From Day 1, I reflected my intel that he was viewed as an arrogant prick by the players I knew that he coached. Eberle’s line about again enjoying coming back to the dressing room is about as scathing a comment a hockey player can make, keeping with their code of not slamming coaches that get fired, or in Edmonton’s case: not saying boo about anything for fear of getting shipped out…I do agree with you though that goaltending and PDO luck far outweighed his “prick coefficient”.

  12. wheatnoil says:

    The thing that gets me about Hanifan is his age. I remember when Simpson was drafted there were knocks about his skating ability, but part of that was being 17 and playing against men in their early to mid-20s. As a result, he probably went a lot lower than if he’d been more traditionally 18-going-on-19 when starting his NCAA career. Now, it’s early days for Simpson, but he’s had a reasonable NCAA career and is doing well adjusting to his first year pro in the AHL.

    Hanifan is also younger than most freshman NCAA players… and he’s playing a dominant game already. That’s just plain scary. Defensemen are tough to project, especially early in the draft, but that age-thing is a big deal.

    Man, there’s a lot of talk about how good a year it is to be drafting 1 or 2… and it is… but lets not forget that it’s also a hell of a year to be drafting 3-5. Any of those guys might have challenged Nuge for #1 in his year, and I love Nuge!

  13. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    wheatnoil,

    I don’t think there is any doubt Nuge would be ranked 6th in this draft. Hanifin, Stome, Marner all would be ranked higher, quite clearly, in my opinion.

  14. G Money says:

    Hanifin, Strome or Marner are the correct choices. I think the Oilers grab Strome. He has some skating issues but the young man is 6.03, 187 as a draft eligible and may grow to a giant. Who would I take? Wildly undecided. My top 5 right now is McDavid, Eichel, Marner, Hanifin, Strome but the 3 through 5 change daily.

    When we talk about the idea of “always take BPA”, I think the correct interpretation of that is “When there is a clear BPA available at a spot, choose BPA rather than for need”.

    However, there is no clear BPA here: Marner, Hanifin, Strome all perfectly reasonable choices #3. At that point, need should be part of the equation.

    Strome the C the Oilers need to finally build up the middle, Hanifin the D to possibly fill the mythical 1D spot despite the high draft risk.

    We probably DON’T need another small skilled winger. (I think of it this way: look how bad the Oilers looked with both top 2 LW down. Now imagine if it was the top 2 C instead).

    Unless Marner comes on like gangbusters and puts himself in the conversation with McEichel, it has to be either Strome or Hanifin if either are available where the Oilers pick, almost certainly 3 to 5.

    Unrelated note … got the following email today: “Hockey Executive MBA now accepting applications for May 2015 start

    Wonder if alumni MBAs can get advanced placement in the hockey only courses?

  15. frjohnk says:

    Yes, I believe Eakins cost the team some time in the rebuild

    He was an inexperienced NHL coach who came into last season not knowing what he had for players

    -he did not look at game tape from the year before, so he had no idea whether or not the players he had could properly implement “The Swarm”

    -The Swarm was one of the main factors why we lost a goalie ( Duby) better than what we have now.

    -slow tempo practices most likely contributed to slow starts in games

    -endurance training over power training was a mistake

    -some of his system play led to many odd man rushes against ( like when the D men would pinch to keep the puck in, with no forward covering, and if the pinch was lost, oilers were fishing the puck out)

    Some of this was the roster he was given.

    But the Oilers of 13-14 had the 5th worst score adjusted fenwick team since 2007.

    We did not need a coach last year that needed to find out what would work and what wouldn’t work in the NHL. We needed an experienced NHL coach. We still do. ( Even though I like Nelson)

    But I do think he learned a lot in his time here. And I would bet money, out of all the coaches that started in the fall of 2013 to now, he has learned the most.

    – I think he did a lot of good things ( puck possession increase this year, ZS and sheltering of Drai and Yak, tough minutes for guys who could handle it , Gordon) and actually think moving forward if given another chance with a decent team he would do well as coach.

    But in the end of it all, if we get McDavid, this whole Eakins thing might have been worth all of it.

  16. stush18 says:

    wheatnoil,

    You think crouse would have challenged nuge for first overall back in the day?!?

    Thats reasonable i guess. He does have a very high grit/60

  17. OilClog says:

    Too soon?

    it took Nelson.. 4 weeks with a Allstar game in the mix to equal Eakins win total.

    I don’t think its too soon.

    Eakins destroyed the chance of this group staying together, unless they somehow rattle off 15 straight lol

    Let’s leave out the tasty part of Nelson not having a healthy #4.

    Eakins was terrible, mid 90’s NJD’s trap hockey was more of a joy to watch..

  18. Woodguy says:

    I can create an argument that suggests better goaltending, luck and a Pouliot scoring streak have more to do with that 7-7-2 run we’ve seen under Nelson

    Let’s not forget Roy instead of DrySaddle.

  19. anonymous says:

    Eakins tactics with Yak and the complete unaccountability of his favorites killed this team. Nothing bothered me more than “coaching continuity”.

  20. wheatnoil says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    You’re probably right. It’s tough to know because we don’t have estimated TOI from Nuge’s year. There were rumours that his team ran four lines a lot and he wasn’t getting 25+ minutes a game like some top prospects. If so, that might have brought his P/60 up quite a bit.

    That said, I don’t disagree with you. This is a hell of a draft year.

    stush18,

    Hah. I conveniently forgot Crouse existed. That’s probably unfair. I hope he turns into an excellent player. I tend to root for the Bob Gainey-types. It’s why I always rooted for Lander. I hope the Oilers don’t take him though.

    It’s an interesting question of where Crouse would have gone in Nuge’s year, especially given where he’s ranked this year. Too high, of course. Right behind Landeskog?

  21. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Woodguy,

    Hi Woodguy, not sure if you saw my question in the prior thread, but any response or thoughts? Should OT wins really be lumped in with the shootout wins?

  22. Black Frank says:

    I’m with GMoney on waiting 20 games to see how Nelson does, and with both GMoney and Godot on Eakins the coach.

  23. frjohnk says:

    A few know I have been tracking “box shots” for which are closer to the net
    and “perimeter shots” or sometimes which I like to say muffin shots.

    Eakins first 16 games average per game
    Box shots for 14.25
    Perimeter shots for 15.25
    Total shots for 29.5

    Nelson first 16 games average per game
    Box shots for 10.6
    Perimeter shots for 15.4
    Total shots for 26

    Note that tip ins/deflections are both around 1 per game. Calgary for example is at 2 per game

    We know that Eakins team had a better corsi but its absolutely foolish to say that he was teaching only to get a better corsi.

    If that is the case, what do we say when the stats show that Nelson’s team is getting the same amount of muffin shots per game but almost 3.5 less “box shots” per game?

    I have said it before, if Eakins had Nelson’s PDO, this team would be above Calgary in the standings.

  24. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    wheatnoil,

    I would think Crouse would be behind Huberdeau, too, who had strong box cars. Maybe ahead of Larsson, maybe behind.

    I was doing the Landy-Crouse scouting report comparison yesterday. Landeskog’s read like Crouse’s except he was bringing significantly more offense.

  25. linkfromhyrule says:

    There is plenty of blame to go around for the destruction of the past 1.5 seasons. The coach employed a system ill-suited to the roster available to him. The resulting 2-on-1’s nearly always resulted in a goal. I don’t think you can say it is a coincidence that 4 goalies put up career lows in SV% when they were here. It’s not just bad luck. It was a bad system for our situation.

    The GM gave him a joke of a roster to start the season. No 2C and the defense would have been hilarious if it wasn’t so terrible. Combine that with baffling roster decisions and you have our Edmonton Oilers.

    I know many of us are not anxious to lay the blame at the feet of Eakins, but there were many things this team simply could not accomplish while Eakins was here. I’m not saying Nelson is the correct man for the job, it’s still early, but it is pretty clear that the players have rebounded to some extent under him. The roster has improved, yes, but so has many of the player’s confidence.

  26. frjohnk says:

    anonymous: Eakins tactics with Yak and the complete unaccountability of his favorites killed this team

    Yeah the O zone start of 80% against mostly against soft competition with the same amount of PP as Krueger gave him hurt Yaks chances of scoring.

    Eakins should have had Yak with 10% O zone starts against the toughest competition.

    Stupid Eakins

  27. Lois Lowe says:

    Woodguy,

    Lest we forget 4 shootout wins, those could easily have gone the other way.

  28. Black Frank says:

    BTW luck is nothing more than an unmeasured variable. the team under Eakins was poorly coached. They lost their confidence, their enjoyment of the game, the tactics they were forced into were inappropriate for the player types and the time and roster allocations were beyond bizarre.

    PDO = Confident, happy, relaxed, well coached goalies with solid positional play, behind a competent defence, in turn behind a relaxed, well coached set of forwards with solid positional play relative to each others roles and skill sets, shooting in the right direction at the right time with the right combination of speed, direction and elevation of shot.

    It’s like calling golf a game of luck. Luck isn’t hitting the ball straight down the fairway andlanding on the green followed by a single putt. Luck is playing on an African golf course and having a monkey pick up your ball from the rough and dropping it in the hole on a par 3. Or being chased off the course in Jasper by a rutting Elk.

    You have to be good to be lucky. Eakins was not good. Not with the Oilers, anyway. Some have argued he was lucky with the Marlies. Lucky presumes equal orsimilar skill between the two coaches, Nelson isn’t lucky, just competent and makes the best of the roster he is given. Maybe also give MacT better suggestions regarding his roster needs.

  29. book¡je says:

    I don’t think you have to believe Todd Nelson has turned the team around (as opposed to being lucky) to believe that the Eakins era cost the Oilers. There is little doubt in my mind that the team wouldn’t have been better off with a better coach. I think Eakins made a lot of mistakes and I get the sense that some of them were quite influential.

    As to whether Todd Nelson does better, I like what I see, but more evidence is needed.

  30. oliveoilers says:

    I think the real question should be: What effect does a coach have on a team?

    There’s a lot of contradiction on here today already. There seems to be a faction that believes goal tending, PDO and luck come before coaching, yet would acknowledge Babcock is a better coach than Eakins. Yet if Eakins had the Red Wings roster, would he ‘improve’ to just the capabilities of the players? Why would Ken Holland or any other GM be prepared to Babcock the highest paid coach ever? Why not hire Eakins for cheap, especially if you have a strong roster?

    If you follow the logic to it’s logical conclusion, a trained chimp could win a Cup as long as he had Team Canada. Yet Team Canada have Babcock as coach. Why not raffle it off for charity if coaching doesn’t matter?

    Leadership matters, whether you ‘buy it’ or not. As someone who didn’t win a Superbowl last week admitted in an interview.

    A bill of goods was sold, but I’m not sure by whom to whom was the right way around….

  31. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Kane & Bogosian for Eberle and Petry?

    Would that be a thing?

  32. Snowman says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    wheatnoil,

    I don’t think there is any doubt Nuge would be ranked 6th in this draft. Hanifin, Stome, Marner all would be ranked higher, quite clearly, in my opinion.

    I agree Nuge doesn’t go top 3 in this draft. I don’t think he’d be drafted ahead of Strome (size and more offense, not as good a skater with less two way to his game but I think the boxcars and weight have him ahead of Nuge’s 200 foot acumen). But I’m pretty sure he’d be picked ahead of Marner. Nuge was (is) a hell of a player no offense to Marner. I think Nuge would go #5, possibly a long shot at 4th.

    I’m happy as can be if we pick top 4. Strome or Hanifin would look awfully nice in Oilers silks.

  33. russ99 says:

    Um, despite the temptation, I think I’ll look ahead and not back.

    Although I can see how some fans who believe the possession+good PDO = winning hockey theorum and the idea that someone had to “toughen up” the kids would think that Eakins had some benefit for the group despite the horrible results.

    Glad we’re playing better as a team and individual players are progressing under Nelson, hope they keep it up.

    Add in a few (5-6 by my count) NHL veterans with more talent than the current crop and we may have something to cheer about next year at this time.

  34. frjohnk says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    Kane & Bogosian for Eberle and Petry?

    Would that be a thing?

    Kane is a clown. A guy like him needs a leadership group that will keep him in line.

    Oilers don’t have that.

    Kane is one heckuva talent, but one heckuva headcase.

    Pass

    Edit: And if Kane did become an Oiler, and we know he would go off the rails, who is going to throw him into the shower?

  35. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Snowman,

    I see what you are saying, but I think you are underrating Marner’s offense. This has nothing to do with Nuge being a hell of a player or not. He is. But Marner is in Patrick Kane/Jonathan Drouin territory for offense. He’d go ahead of Nuge fairly comfortably, in my opinion.

  36. Snowman says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    Kane & Bogosian for Eberle and Petry?

    Would that be a thing?

    Do you want Kane around right now? Big risk to a team full of young players that is (maybe) gaining some steam. If the rumours are true and guys like Big Buff can’t keep him in line, I don’t think Ference and Hendricks would be able to either.

  37. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    Kane & Bogosian for Eberle and Petry?

    Would that be a thing?

    Why would the Jets move Bogosian right now? They have one of the most enviable RD depth charts in the league: Buff-Bogo-Trouba.

    They wouldn’t move Bogo in order to move Kane.

  38. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Snowman,

    Ya, but he fits such a good need, and if it could get us Bogosian for Petry then I’d be tempted.

    Agree that I’m concerned about the behaviour though. I was just thinking that the trade meets the supposed criteria, in that it gets the Jets a good offensive player with upside & by adding Petry for Bogosian doesn’t really set them back this year for their playoff run. On our side we get a power forward who might compliment our top 6 better than what Ebs brings, and a solid if unspectacular young Dman who will easily fit in our top 4d.

  39. Snowman says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    I might be undervaluing his offense but I personally take a complete center with good offense over a Patrick Kane. I’d take Nuge over Kane too I think. Just comes down to preference. I think players with Nuge’s all around game are harder to come by, especially at center. I’ve got a soft spot for that type of player.

  40. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Snowman,

    I love Nuge. A lot. I think he’s the best player on the Oilers. I would take him on the Oilers over Kane due to salary and positional need, but if I were dollar agnostic and didn’t have glaring positional issues anywhere, I’d take Kane. As LT has said, scoring is the hardest thing to do in the NHL.

  41. Hammers says:

    murray:
    The goal tending has been a bit better under Nelson but still not good.I think one of the biggest difference between Eakins and Nelson has been Nelson having better options at #2 and #3 center.Eakins had Arco and Draisaitl combine for 21 points in 73 games, .288 ppg. Meanwhile Nelson has gotten 17 points in 31 game for .548 ppg from Lander and Roy.Now some of that is on MacT for keeper Draisaitl for so long and not acquiring a more proven center like Roy earlier, however Lander was on the farm all year and if Eakins really wanted him he could have had him.

    So true on Lander but 1 thing for sure is Nelson knows the player and lets not forget Eakins didn’t even bother looking at game film under Krueger . For me the difference is as much the arrogance Eakins showed and it seems Nelson follows everything including the Barons and I’m guessing but somehow I believe Nelson listens to Ramsay more . He seems that kind of a coach .

  42. Pouzar says:

    It’s Hanfin for me. I will be thrilled if we draft him at 3.

  43. sumaclab says:

    The Kane talk is so stupid. The team is just starting to recover post Eakins and some think its a good idea to bring Kane in for say an Eberle. What are people thinking. Goodness. Please Oiler fan give your head a shake. Drink some hot McCafe and head to Fief and Deckle and get some hot soup because honestly I think the weather outside has frozen your collective brains. Back in 70’s Kane would have fit right in. In 2015 in today’s NHL. Kane stands out like a wart on Taylor Swifts nose. Sure you like a lot of what you see. But you just can’t get past the wart.

    Stay warm and drive safe everyone.

  44. RexLibris says:

    The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL":
    Also saw this item on twitter.

    Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva
    Talks intensified between Ducks and Sabres on Tyler Myers. Other teams have interest in Myers. Can he be traded ? Its[sic] a real possibility.

    Would the Oilers be kicking the tires?

    Read Matheson’s article on Myers this morning and I began to hope that Anaheim lands him. It would suggest that Detroit would then turn to Petry as their preferable RHD.

    Matheson suggests that picks or prospects such as Pulkinnen, Ouellet and Sproul might be on the table.

    Petry for Pulkinnen and a pick would be a good deal.

    Signing Petry would be a better one.

    If the Oilers are intent on shooting themselves in the foot by trading Jeff Petry they might as well do it with an ivory-handled colt.

  45. Pouzar says:

    sumaclab:
    The Kane talk is so stupid. The team is just starting to recover post Eakins and some think its a good idea to bring Kane in for say an Eberle. What are people thinking. Goodness. Please Oiler fan give your head a shake. Drink some hot McCafe and head to Fief and Deckle and get some hot soup because honestly I think the weather outside has frozen your collective brains. Back in 70’s Kane would have fit right in. In 2015 in today’s NHL. Kane stands out like a wart on Taylor Swifts nose. Sure you like a lot of what you see. But you just can’t get past the wart.

    Stay warm and drive safe everyone.

    I admit. I read HFOil for kicks. There I said it.

    One dude, a long time poster, suggested it would take Eberle and Klef to get Kane.
    No no…….no that one……the Winnipeg one.

  46. Tire Fire says:

    Oh my god, Brigitte. Anyone seen Contempt? Top notch film, and just acres of Brigitte in it.

  47. maudite says:

    Kane is a pretty young and talented guy that needs a new address. At the right price, he is worth the gamble. With a young core he very well might be just fine and perfectly fit instead of feeling like an outsider. I take the whole locker room antics part with a grain of salt at this point. Buying into that narrative costs:

    Tyler Seguin says hello
    Passing on Grabovski on waivers (then later trying to sign him for more years)
    43 pts in 51 games…Ribiero says hi
    Sheldon Souray had some solid years left in the tank after he manage to dig out from under the bruised ego of Lowe as well.

    The reason you don’t pick up Kane is only just 6 million & LW.

    Unless you are sending Pouliot the other way it’s just not a good roster/cap setup.

  48. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    RexLibris,

    Somehow because Oilers, Mantha and a 2nd will go to Toronto for Franson and Petry will go for a 3rd and a 5th.

    Time to feed my hamsters.

  49. RexLibris says:

    G Money: When we talk about the idea of “always take BPA”, I think the correct interpretation of that is “When there is a clear BPA available at a spot, choose BPA rather than for need”.

    However, there is no clear BPA here: Marner, Hanifin, Strome all perfectly reasonable choices #3.At that point, need should be part of the equation.

    Strome the C the Oilers need to finally build up the middle, Hanifin the D to possibly fill the mythical 1D spot despite the high draft risk.

    We probably DON’T need another small skilled winger.(I think of it this way: look how bad the Oilers looked with both top 2 LW down.Now imagine if it was the top 2 C instead).

    Unless Marner comes on like gangbusters and puts himself in the conversation with McEichel, it has to be either Strome or Hanifin if either are available where the Oilers pick, almost certainly 3 to 5.

    Unrelated note … got the following email today:“Hockey Executive MBA now accepting applications for May 2015 start

    Wonder if alumni MBAs can get advanced placement in the hockey only courses?

    Completely agree and have made this point here before.

    Yakupov v Galchenyuk, for instance.

    I was in the Galchenyuk camp, despite injury and I am fully aware this leaves me open to questions of my mental competence.

    However, Galchenyuk complemented their roster at the time in a way that Yakupov did not.

    BPA unless the difference is by degrees, then priority must be given to the greatest organizational weakness. Caveat, C depth trumps all.

    If the Oilers were staring at two wingers who were a cut above, say Marner A and Marner B, one a RW and the other a LW, then you take the one who complements your current roster depth.

    The Oilers haven’t had C depth since I don’t know when.

    Strome is the logical choice at #3.

    The Oilers also need to finish such that they draft no later than 3rd overall as well because they would then be guaranteed one of McDavid (not a chance), Eichel (snowball’s chance in hell) or Strome (likely). Draft 4th and you have to either be happy with Hanifin, trade the pick for your C, or pray that one falls to you.

  50. Numenius says:

    Pouzar: lets not forget Eakins didn’t even bother looking at game film under Krueger .

    Is there evidence for this? I recall Eakins saying he had watched all of Yak’s goals from his rookie season, and so it’d be really surprising to me if he hadn’t looked at other game film under Krueger.

  51. Dicky94 says:

    RexLibris,

    Petry for Beleskey. Whoever signs wins the trade.

  52. RexLibris says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    RexLibris,

    Somehow because Oilers, Mantha and a 2nd will go to Toronto for Franson and Petry will go for a 3rd and a 5th.

    Time to feed my hamsters.

    I suggested Backlund for Franson in a Backlund-trade-possibilities forum over at FN the other day.

    I think it set a record for fastest 20 trashes.

    My best to your hamster. Remember, animals can smell depressed cynicism.

    Matheson also opines about the Oilers sending Fasth back to the Ducks.

    3rd round pick in 2015 anyone?

  53. russ99 says:

    I’d go for BPA in the the draft, not for positional need. But at 3-4 who really knows who BPA is?

    I’d like to see at some time in the next 10 years the Oilers make an NHL trade from a position of strength, rather than the usual dumping a future RFA/UFA or trading a good veteran for magic beans.

  54. RexLibris says:

    frjohnk: Edit: And if Kane did become an Oiler, and we know he would go off the rails, who is going to throw him into the shower?

    Coach Messier.

  55. Tire Fire says:

    wunderbar:
    I think that that what we will find over time is that Eakins is a coach who coaches to corsi.That is to say he doesn’t coach to get the most out of the players, but coaches to hit a corsi number, and believed that once that corsi number was hit, everything would turn north.

    I’ve seen this theme a few times here. I’m having a rather hard time with believing it. Corsi is just shot attempts. All NHL coaches ever have coached to generate shots (successful attempts). That’s not a new thing, and all successful coaches do it. I think some people (maybe not you) are just looking for things to pin on someone they don’t like.

  56. oliveoilers says:

    Tire Fire: I’ve seen this theme a few times here.I’m having a rather hard time with believing it.Corsi is just shot attempts.All NHL coaches ever have coached to generate shots (successful attempts). That’s not a new thing, and all successful coaches do it.I think some people (maybe not you) are just looking for things to pin on someone they don’t like.

    All coaches except Torts. He coached to blocked shots.

  57. Tire Fire says:

    frjohnk:
    -he did not look at game tape from the year before, so he had no idea whether or not the players he had could properly implement “The Swarm”

    -The Swarm was one of the main factors why we lost a goalie ( Duby) better than what we have now.

    I’ve said this before, so forgive the repetition. I see other teams constantly doing this overload tactic. It works wonders in taking possession away from the Oilers. Why was it such a bad system when the Oilers tried to use it? I think it was the players not being good enough, or not having a long enough history of good habits being coached in.

  58. LostBoy says:

    “I can create an argument that suggests better goaltending, luck and a Pouliot scoring streak have more to do with that 7-7-2 run we’ve seen under Nelson. ”

    8 of Pouliot’s last 9 goals have come in losses.

    So I’m not too sure about that one.

  59. SwedishPoster says:

    Earlier this fall I was told by an eastern scout(not a Detroit scout mind you, he’s also a euro scout so take it for what it’s worth) that Babcock isn’t as high on Petry as media speculates, Babcock has his own advanced stats for evaluating indivual performance where for example givaways and mistakes around the blue lines give extra minus and Petry doesn’t score as high as he wants. Imo Petry has cleared up in that regard the last couple of months though so maybe Babcocks opinion has changed a bit.
    Not exactly straight from the horses mouth but it has made me less inclined to think Petry ends up in Detroit despite it seeming like a perfect destination otherwise.

    I think it was Bardot who at an older age made the comment “If France don’t stop letting foreigners into the country I’ll move to a country that won’t let any foreigners in at all.” Not the sharpest tool in the shed. But a pretty face in her younger years I’ll give her that.

  60. Ben says:

    So broken Kane’s not going to a contender.

    WIN wants help now, and futures.

    Yak + Hendricks + 2nd?

    Pit’s 1st + gordon?

    God, for once, Oilers, please BUY LOW.

  61. Pouzar says:

    Ben:
    So broken Kane’s not going to a contender.

    WIN wants help now, and futures.

    Yak + Hendricks + 2nd?

    Pit’s 1st+ gordon?

    God, for once, Oilers, please BUY LOW.

    Why are we trading for LWers?

  62. vinotintazo says:

    kane out 4-6Months apperently as per Dreger, so I doubt any playoff team gets him now, I would give up Pits 1st + any of our 3rd line players for him. he’s a very good 2line winger.

  63. SwedishPoster says:

    Tire Fire: I’ve seen this theme a few times here.I’m having a rather hard time with believing it.Corsi is just shot attempts.All NHL coaches ever have coached to generate shots (successful attempts). That’s not a new thing, and all successful coaches do it.I think some people (maybe not you) are just looking for things to pin on someone they don’t like.

    Yep, I’m no fan of Eakins but I doubt he coached to “corsi” until the wins came, I do however believe his system was flawed and that the fact he got decent corsi might have made him think his tactical ideas were working better than they were.

  64. Pouzar says:

    vinotintazo:
    kane out 4-6Months apperently as per Dreger, so I doubt any playoff team gets him now, I would give up Pits 1st + any of our 3rd line players for him. he’s a very good 2line winger.

    Except he is playing 3rd line on a playoff contender.

  65. vinotintazo says:

    vinotintazo,

    We can have these 3 LWs…
    Hall-xx-xxx
    Kane-xxx-xxx
    Pouliot-xxx-xxx

    im ok with that…

  66. RexLibris says:

    Kane needs to go to a strong dressing room where his behaviour will be modified by the weight of the positive and mature ones that surround him.

    That is not Edmonton.

    Why not just wait for a year and they can trade him to the new Las Vegas franchise?

  67. vinotintazo says:

    Pouzar,

    Have you not looked as his P/60? is pretty good. hes just 23! 6-2 200 pounds and can skate.

    good article here. I think he plays around 19 MIN per game, and was injured…
    http://nhlnumbers.com/2015/2/4/why-evander-kane-is-a-top-6-forward

  68. Pouzar says:

    vinotintazo:
    Pouzar,

    Have you not looked as his P/60? is pretty good. hes just 23! 6-2 200 pounds and can skate.

    You should ask Maurice that question. He has been on that 3rd line for a while. Another LWer is the last thing we need much less one with his baggage. We need NHL d-men.

  69. vinotintazo says:

    Ben:
    So broken Kane’s not going to a contender.

    WIN wants help now, and futures.

    Yak + Hendricks + 2nd?

    Pit’s 1st+ gordon?

    God, for once, Oilers, please BUY LOW.

    I think for what they need, is Pit’s 1st + Gordon.

  70. Ca$h-Money! says:

    RexLibris,

    Seguin was in arguably the strongest dressing room in the league, was traded to a young team in Dallas, and seems to be doing fine.

    I have heard second hand annecdotal evidence of Kane being a d*&k and no one liking him, either in the WHL or the NHL, but even though I believe that to be true I’m still tempted because his style is such a good fit for our top 6. I would like to try to pry a Dman out of winnipeg along with him, especially if the price is Eberle.

  71. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    vinotintazo:
    vinotintazo,

    We can have these 3 LWs…
    Hall-xx-xxx
    Kane-xxx-xxx
    Pouliot-xxx-xxx

    im ok with that…

    Salary cap says hello. We can’t spend $15+MM on 3 left wingers. Balance, folks, balance. We need to save that money for C and D

  72. Ca$h-Money! says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Ya, but again, Ebs out Kane in gives us a bit of savings.

    Sucks that we’re all LWs, but Chicago makes due with 2 elite guys on every scoring line and a plug-and-play matching with them, and that works OK.

  73. Pouzar says:

    On what planet is Eberle for Evander Kane a good deal for the Oilers?

    WTF is going on here?

    1. So three LWers making North of 5 million
    2. Our #1 RWer is now Nail Yakupov.
    3. Eberle averages more points per season than Kane’s best season in the NHL.
    4. Kane is a locker room cancer by most accounts.
    5. We still don’t have any d-men
    6. See 5. Again and Again and Again.

  74. PhrankLee says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: We need to save that money for C and D

    Don’t forget G!

    Kane is like plutonium till the summer.

    I’d like to see a deal for a top 10 G.

  75. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Pouzar,

    Straight up it isn’t a good deal. I’m speculating that if we do that deal maybe we could move Petry for a roughly equivalent D with some term left on his deal, maybe Bogo since he looks to be standing behind Buff, Trouba, and Ernstrom on the depth chart with some good prospects on the way.

    Eberle > Kane, but
    Bogo (signed) > Petry (unsigned)

  76. wunderbar says:

    Tire Fire,

    Did you listen to his TSN interview from last week? He talked quite a bit about how the corsi numbers are now (I’m assuming he meant this season under his time) league average but the results weren’t there, and that if it kept up the results would eventually come. a lot of “my system worked, we got our stats up, I don’t know why we weren’t doing better”

  77. RMGS says:

    Mostly excellent, varied comments on the Eakins question. I’d like to suggest a couple of things:

    1. Much is made of the “fact” that under Eakins the team improved its shot metrics. There was an improvement, but the best predictive metric available (score-adjusted fenwick) showed only a small improvement by the end of his tenure and still with below-average numbers. I’d challenge the hyperbolic qualifications of the Eakins Oilers’ shot metrics as “very good.” They were at best a small improvement upon recent years but still not very good at all.

    2. Much is also made of a false dichotomy between quantifiable “facts” (e.g. shot metrics) and anecdotal and “visual” arguments. Just as it’s folly to disregard the underlying numbers, it’s equally folly to disregard what the people most directly impacted (the players) are saying. When players are claiming that they are “starting to enjoy coming into the locker room a bit more,” one shouldn’t discount that as noise. It’s very relevant firsthand information that adds to the context. Same goes for how practices are run, how you cultivate a relationship with your players, and how your reward/punish performance.

  78. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    Am I the only one disappointed with the media on this Kane situation? Why have I not seen a headline like, “The Kane Mutiny”?

    Also, the smart GM waits until this summer to see what shakes out of cap-stressed teams, especially in terms of C and D.

  79. G Money says:

    Black Frank:
    I’m with GMoney on waiting 20 games to see how Nelson does, and with both GMoney andGodot on Eakins the coach.

    Whoa cowboy, whoa! If you mean Godot and I in terms of “we agree that Eakins was not a good coach”, then no problem. I think we have enough evidence to suggest that. PDO aside, a year and a half of playing mostly ELPH is evidence enough.

    After that, though, I don’t think Godot and I have any overlap of opinion. I have no personal dislike of Eakins or his hair, do not think he’s a psychopath, I do think he has some good traits and hockey knowledge and grew as a coach, and wouldn’t be surprised to see him surface as a coach elsewhere.

  80. oliveoilers says:

    There is more to this Kane story than we know. High profile story about team discord, then all of a sudden ‘out 4-6 months for shoulder surgery’? Strange timing, strange indeed. I think he needs the surgery, but his distraction is outweighing what he’s bringing at the moment and they don’t want to give up on him until the summer.

    On second thoughts, maybe we have traded for him, and a condition is he must have his season-ending ‘Oiler’s Special’ before he comes over.

  81. Pouzar says:

    oliveoilers:
    There is more to this Kane story than we know.High profile story about team discord, then all of a sudden ‘out 4-6 months for shoulder surgery’?Strange timing, strange indeed.I think he needs the surgery, but his distraction is outweighing what he’s bringing at the moment and they don’t want to give up on him until the summer.

    On second thoughts, maybe we have traded for him, and a condition is he must have his season-ending ‘Oiler’s Special’ before he comes over.

    Mitch Peacock @MitchPeacock1
    Maurice on why Kane was okay Monday and in need of surgery Thursday without playing Tuesday “that’s a question for Evander”

    Rick Ralph @RickRalphTSN
    Firmly believe Kane has quit on the #NHLJets. Kane’s been averaging 20 mins / night. Surgery could have been delayed. Was playing great

  82. vinotintazo says:

    Pouzar,

    Hall – 6M
    Ebs – 6M
    RNH – 6M
    Kane – 5.25M
    Purcell – 4.5M
    Pouliot- 4M
    ROY – 3M
    YAK – 3M
    2C/3C – 3-5M
    Fill the rest with pluggers….

    that’s around 40M in top 12 FWDs, but I hope they B/O purcell. put that cap to better use.

    you can spend the 25ish M left on DEF and Goalies…

    I know we need DEF, but this team also doesnt score enough… so we need help everywhere… lol

  83. oliveoilers says:

    Pouzar: Mitch Peacock @MitchPeacock1Maurice on why Kane was okay Monday and in need of surgery Thursday without playing Tuesday “that’s a question for Evander”

    Rick Ralph @RickRalphTSNFirmly believe Kane has quit on the #NHLJets. Kane’s been averaging 20 mins / night. Surgery could have been delayed. Was playing great

    Maurice, that is NOT a question for Evander! Maybe for the GM, or the team medical staff, which I assume (I know I shouldn’t) Kane would have to clear BEFORE any decision is made.

    This is gonna get ugly….

  84. Pouzar says:

    oliveoilers: Maurice, that is NOT a question for Evander!Maybe for the GM, or the team medical staff, which I assume (I know I shouldn’t) Kane would have to clear BEFORE any decision is made.

    This is gonna get ugly….

    He was already playing with said injuries. Nothing happened to make it any worse. He was going to play in VAN. Maurice is just sticking it to him.

  85. prairieschooner says:

    How hard did the Oilers look at Todd Nelson before MacT hired Eakins?
    They did not look at him at all because MacT was looking for an assistant for Ralph and then decided that Eakins was his man.
    MacT thought Eakins was a perfect fit for the top job (another worrying aspect about MacT decisions)
    He then proceeded to pump the tires of Eakins to justify his random decision which I am sure did nothing to temper Eakins from believing that he could walk on water.
    Eakins was a bad hire and the Oilers did not move forward until Nelson took over.
    MacT does not read this blog as he did not address the Center depth
    Nelson has improved the team by improving player performance.
    Yes we have new players but Eakins turned a 28 goal scorer into an unhappy occasional contributor We now have Lander playing pretty well under Nelson
    Nelson has a history of overcoming challenges.Eakins is not that type of coach.
    MacT made a poor decision on Eakins and another one coming up with Petry…..maybe we should rephrase the question

  86. stush18 says:

    wheatnoil,

    Someone had posted on here that crouse plays on a very weak team, lowest scoring in the league? Maybe ricki. Also he typically plays with players who have lower pts/60, and those players get bumps in in there outputs when they play with him.

    I think a direct comparison to landeskog is not out of the question.

  87. oliveoilers says:

    Pouzar: He was already playing with said injuries. Nothing happened to make it any worse. He was going to play in VAN. Maurice is just sticking it to him.

    I know, but somebody is eventually going to have to justify why they said what they said. Wonder if the PA get involved.

    If the guy is a dick, then he’s a dick. If he’s broken the rules, then the team’s discipline code should deal with it.

    I have a lot of experience from the army with what we called ‘kangaroo court’, where guilt and punishment were decided by peers outside the legitimate framework. In twelve years, it never turned out for the better, if fact, often the opposite, with interest.

    It sounds like, and this is pure speculation, that the Jets’ players tried something similar, only now it’s spiralled way out of control.

    There will be blood….

  88. Showerhead says:

    Pouzar: Mitch Peacock @MitchPeacock1Maurice on why Kane was okay Monday and in need of surgery Thursday without playing Tuesday “that’s a question for Evander”

    Rick Ralph @RickRalphTSNFirmly believe Kane has quit on the #NHLJets. Kane’s been averaging 20 mins / night. Surgery could have been delayed. Was playing great

    I think you’ve got it right there.

    I think the verbal in Winnipeg right now is a bit insane towards Kane (“we’ll be better just getting rid of him for nothing”) but yeah, the guy has clearly moved on. That’s a “screw you guys, I’m out” decision on his part if there ever was one.

    On most teams, this is a gamble I’d be more than happy to make. Buy low on a project that isn’t so much “reclamation” as it is high maintenance. Evander Kane can play, he is young, and he brings a valuable skillset.

    The thing is, absorbing a guy who is figuring out how to play well with others probably takes more leadership than Edmonton has. It’s the sort of thing that can be done IMO and can be done with great success but you have to do it right. I don’t have enough faith in Edmonton’s locker room for that.

  89. Pouzar says:

    oliveoilers: I know, but somebody is eventually going to have to justify why they said what they said.Wonder if the PA get involved.

    If the guy is a dick, then he’s a dick.If he’s broken the rules, then the team’s discipline code should deal with it.

    I have a lot of experience from the army with what we called ‘kangaroo court’, where guilt and punishment were decided by peers outside the legitimate framework.In twelve years, it never turned out for the better, if fact, often the opposite, with interest.

    It sounds like, and this is pure speculation, that the Jets’ players tried something similar, only now it’s spiralled way out of control.

    There will be blood….

    I think Chevy should “shoulder” a lot of the blame on this. This is something that has been going on for a while so now instead of trading Evander Kane High he will be selling a perceived trouble maker for less than full value this summer. All the while his team could have used a couple of pieces for a playoff run now.

  90. Woodguy says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Woodguy,

    Hi Woodguy, not sure if you saw my question in the prior thread, but any response or thoughts? Should OT wins really be lumped in with the shootout wins?

    Yes.

    There is ability difference between teams and their ability to score 4×4 but only 5 min and sudden death don’t allow that difference to emerge.

    The ability disparity is swamped by variance.

    I’ll try to dig up the stuff I’ve read on it when I get back to a PC.

  91. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    vinotintazo,

    Too much money tied up in wingers. Would prefer to see something like:

    Hall (6M)-Nuge(6M)-Eberle(6M)
    Pouliot (4M)-Soderberg(4M)-Yakupov (2.5M)
    Lander (1M)-Roy (2M)-Pakarinen (800K)
    Hendricks (1.85M)-Gordon(3M)-Klinkhammer(1M)
    Extras: Fraser(750K), Gazdic (850K)
    Total: 39.75M

    Marincin (1.5M)-Seabrook(5.8M)
    Klefbom (833K)-Schultz (3M–yes, take him to arbitration)
    Fayne (3.625M)-Petry (4.75M)
    Extra: Davidson 750K
    Total: 20.258M

    Enroth (3M)
    Scrivens (2.3M)
    Total 5.3M

    Buyouts/salary retained:
    Purcell 1.5M
    Nikitin 1.5M
    Ference 750K
    Total 3.75M

    Grand total:
    $69.058M

  92. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Woodguy,

    OK, thanks. Would love to read it as those links you posted focused on the shootout aspect, which I fully agree with. I thought 4×4 hockey was a skill different from 5×5 hockey, but still involved skill vs. being a total coin flip. You know, like the Gretzky-Kurri combo at 4×4 being the deadliest in history.

    Thanks in advance

  93. G Money says:

    Woodguy,

    I’d suggest the quickest way to provide evidence for or against your hypothesis would be to look at a couple of seasons worth of data and compare the correlation between a teams regulation record and their OT record.

    If the correlation is high or modest, then it can be argued that the OT is not a coin flip, that the better team does win it more often.

    If the correlation is around zero (plus or minus), then OT is indeed a coinflip.

    If the correlation is significantly negative, then something about OT is actually biased against the better teams.

    None of those outcomes would surprise me.

    I would pull this data and run a quick look myself, but I”m hot on the trail of completing the first version of my temporal Corsi calculator!

  94. G Money says:

    (Side note: you could do the same for SO, but I”m already 100% convinced the SO is a coinflip)

  95. flea says:

    Nice little highlight of Boyd Gordon today in the Red Deer Advocate – he is still the Rebels all time playoff leading scorer.

    http://www.reddeeradvocate.com/sports/Best_Rebels_playoff_performers_291018611.html

    Sure would be nice if the Oilers got some playoff time for him before he moves on.

  96. wunderbar says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    like the lineup, but some of the numbers aren’t realistic. No way is seabrook coming to Edmonton for $5.8. Guy is going to get paid. Probably costs 7 million to get him here, maybe more. And I just don’t see them buying out all of purcell, nikitin, and ference. I think they’ll buy out ference before nikitin and I don’t think they’re buying out ference at all.

  97. vinotintazo says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    as much as I like Soderberg, I dont think the bruins let him walk… hes 2nd among scorers in the bruins.
    they would probably trade Eriksson or Chris Kelly. just to keep him.

  98. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk:
    A few know I have been tracking “box shots” forwhich are closer to the net
    and “perimeter shots” or sometimes which I like to say muffin shots.

    Eakins first 16 games average per game
    Box shots for 14.25
    Perimeter shots for 15.25
    Total shots for 29.5

    Nelson first 16 games average per game
    Box shots for 10.6
    Perimeter shots for 15.4
    Total shots for 26

    Note that tip ins/deflections are both around 1 per game.Calgary for example is at 2 per game

    We know that Eakins team had a better corsi but its absolutely foolish to say that he was teaching only to get a better corsi.

    If that is the case, what do we say when the stats show that Nelson’s team is getting the same amount of muffin shots per game but almost 3.5 less “box shots” per game?

    I have said it before, if Eakins had Nelson’s PDO, this team would be above Calgary in the standings.

    This is the truth.

    It’s important for people to know it’s possible to believe this AND think Eakins came in too hot and alienated people.

    I think Eakins made a lot of mistakes, but hanging his PDO around his neck due to corsi when under Nelson they have less high quality shots is just being obstinate and ignoring evidence.

  99. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    wunderbar,

    They’re not. They’re trading Purcell for $1.5MM retained. They’re asking Ference to waive his NMC and retaining $750K to trade him. Seabrook’s salary next year is $5.8M. What they sign him for beyond next year is anyone’s guess. $7M is probably realistic.

    vinotintazo,

    Soderberg is an UFA. Bruins are in cap hell. They can’t re-sign him. Ego probably keeps Chiarelli and Neely from trading Ericksson. With the OIlers having claimed Fraser off waivers, that would mean their only return from the Seguin trade is Reilly Smith.

    To both of you: I don’t think the Oilers really will buy out Nikitin, ship out Purcell and Ference and then acquire Seabrook and Soderberg. I honestly don’t think they have it in them to do it. But that’s what they should do, in my opinion.

  100. Woodguy says:

    ALERT:

    MacT in a one one interview with Bob on 630 at 1:05pm

    Reid Wilkens describes it as “juicy”

  101. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy,

    I’d suggest the quickest way to provide evidence for or against your hypothesis would be to look at a couple of seasons worth of data and compare the correlation between a teams regulation record and their OT record.

    If the correlation is high or modest, then it can be argued that the OT is not a coin flip, that the better team does win it more often.

    If the correlation is around zero (plus or minus), then OT is indeed a coinflip.

    If the correlation is significantly negative, then something about OT is actually biased against the better teams.

    None of those outcomes would surprise me.

    I would pull this data and run a quick look myself, but I”m hot on the trail of completing the first version of my temporal Corsi calculator!

    The work’s been done so don’t bother.

    I’ll dig it up.

  102. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Woodguy:
    ALERT:

    MacT in a one one interview with Bob on 630 at 1:05pm

    Reid Wilkens describes it as “juicy”

    Nice. Damn it. I’m at work. Can’t listen in 🙁

  103. Woodguy says:

    No Hall or Pouliot at practice.

    Iiro and Purcell switch lines.

    Dpairs:

    Shady-Fayne
    Jultz-Dreamy
    Petry-Ference

  104. Woodguy says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: Nice. Damn it. I’m at work. Can’t listen in

    They post the shows on their website after they are done.

    Just gave a teaser and MacT credits the personell changes more than the coach for the better results.

    Less mental mistakes and mentions Lander never makes a mental mistake.

  105. Woodguy says:

    MacT on Petry:

    Petry is playing better.

    Last 20 games he’s really settled into his best hockey.

    Agressive, assertive, decisive, jumping up into the play.

    There’s motivation to move him or get hi signed.

  106. Woodguy says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Woodguy,

    OK, thanks. Would love to read it as those links you posted focused on the shootout aspect, which I fully agree with. I thought 4×4 hockey was a skill different from 5×5 hockey, but still involved skill vs. being a total coin flip. You know, like the Gretzky-Kurri combo at 4×4 being the deadliest in history.

    Thanks in advance

    There is skill in 4×4.

    Total 5min playing time and sudden death don’t allow that ability to dictate results.

    Just too much variance.

  107. Unicorns says:

    I believe it’s good to not jump to conclusions based on hearsay. I also believe people can go to far in that direction and ignore the obvious.

    There is a difference between an abrasive personality and a trouble maker or malcontent. The former are guys like Pronger and Kessler who are helpful to a team, the latter two are bad for a group that needs to be cohesive.

    The Oilers generate enough dramas, it’s not worth the risk unless the asking price is a second round pick or something.

  108. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Another crazy NHL scenario.
    LA is now 5-12-6 on the road after last night’s loss to Florida. They have 18 road games left vs 13 home. LA misses the playoffs this year, but wins the lottery, drafts McDavid. Lombardi manages to get out from under Voynov’s cap hit and replaces him with Seabrook. Cup champions 2016.

  109. rickithebear says:

    Pouzar:
    On what planet is Eberle for Evander Kane a good deal for the Oilers?

    WTF is going on here?

    1. So three LWers making North of 5 million
    2. Our #1 RWer is now Nail Yakupov.
    3. Eberle averages more points per season than Kane’s best season in the NHL.
    4. Kane is a locker room cancer by most accounts.
    5. We still don’t have any d-men
    6. See 5. Again and Again and Again.

    Scotty bowman believed in offensive Pairs;
    I do too.

    Our best :
    Hall-XXX-Yakupov 9.775M 3.98GF/60 +1.45/60 w/ Horcoff
    Hall-Roy-XXX 7M 3.27GF/60 +1.64?60
    ——————————————————————
    Pouliot-XXX-Eberle 10M 3.31 GF/60 +.82/60
    Pouliot-RNH-XXX 10M 3.15 GF/60 +.40/60
    —————————————————————-
    Hall-XXX-Eberle 12M 2.99 GF/60 +. .37
    —————————————————————–
    XXX-Lander-Fraser 1.25M 2.87GF/60 +.47/60
    —————————————————————–
    Hendricks -Gordon-XXX 4.85M

    Klinkhammer-XXX-XXX .625M
    ——————————————— we have 8.3M of suck on right side.
    XXX-XXX-Purcell 4.5M (-21)

    We likely have in system
    LW C. Hamilton (23)
    RW Pakarinen (23) Great even gola scoring
    C Yakimov (20) Great even production
    LW Slepyshev (20) her is the Likely (oh please oh please)
    C/ RW Draisatl (19)
    #3/#4/#5 Strome/Marner (17)

    Anyhow:
    Hall-Roy-XXX 8M
    Pouliot-RNH-Eberle 16m
    XXX-XXX-XXX
    Hendricks-Gordon 4.85M
    Lander-Fraser 1.8M

  110. godot10 says:

    Dicky94:
    RexLibris,

    Petry for Beleskey. Whoever signs wins the trade.

    Petry for the rights to Sobotka (who is signed for one season) and a conditional draft pick if Petry re-signs in St. Louis.

    Belesky is a left winger. Hall and Pouliot are already getting paid there.

    The best option is to just sign Petry to a new contract.

    #JustSayNoah

  111. wheatnoil says:

    stush18:
    wheatnoil,

    Someone had posted on here that crouse plays on a very weak team, lowest scoring in the league? Maybe ricki. Also he typically plays with players who have lower pts/60, and those players get bumps in in there outputs when they play with him.

    I think a directcomparison to landeskog is not out of the question.

    I remember that post and NYCOil pointed out that comparison between Crouse and Landeskog. It’s a good point. Some players’ numbers get buoyed by being on a high power team. The flip-side to that is that high power teams tend to share the minutes, where as a good player on a bad team may get a ton of EV and special team minutes. That appears to be the case with Crouse, who is estimated to be playing over 27 minutes a game as a forward! The fact that, despite his huge minutes, he’s still not getting a point a game is concerning for a potential top draft pick in this particular draft.

    I don’t know about him playing with players with low P/60. As far as I know, we don’t have WOWY stats for junior leagues.

    Remember, Draisaitl last year was on a not-great PA team. It was him and Morrissey vs the world and Draisaitl factored in on a huge number of his team’s points. Being on a bad team didn’t hold Draisaitl’s points back too much… he got more minutes, played tough comp, and scored a ton.

    So I don’t know how much to factor in Crouse’s low scoring team in assessing his offensive output. I mean, part of the reason his team is low scoring is because he’s playing half the game and not scoring enough!

  112. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: This is the truth.

    It’s important for people to know it’s possible to believe this AND think Eakins came in too hot and alienated people.

    I think Eakins made a lot of mistakes, but hanging his PDO around his neck due to corsi when under Nelson they have less high quality shots is just being obstinate and ignoring evidence.

    I like to have Math support visual.
    this one is avisual driven view.
    There seems to be less hit the goalie!
    Like they are not afraid to target the perimeter and open hole areas of the net.
    Which should result in a higher miseed shots rate and More goals.
    though shot rates would be the same.
    Therefore a higher Shooting %.
    Targeting?

  113. wheatnoil says:

    The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL":
    Another crazy NHL scenario.
    LA is now 5-12-6 on the road after last night’s loss to Florida. They have 18 road games left vs 13 home. LA misses the playoffs this year, but wins the lottery, drafts McDavid. Lombardi manages to get out from under Voynov’s cap hit and replaces him with Seabrook. Cup champions 2016, 2017, 2018….

    Fixed that for you…

  114. russ99 says:

    For me the real problem with Eakins wasn’t his coaching strategy or player management, both of those could have been fixable.

    It was the inflexibilty:
    “We’re going to play this way, it’s going to work”.

    ‘Nuff said.

  115. RexLibris says:

    G Money: I”m hot on the trail of completing the first version of my temporal Corsi calculator!

    Please update me on your progress here.

    I’m working on something for FN wrt how we come about our stats knowledge and your conversation the other day really interested me. Further to that, with your permission I’d like to quote some of your thoughts on temporal, or sequential, corsi in the article. I’d like your okay on that before citing anything you’ve said, or if there is something more indepth you’d like to add let me know and we can exchange emails.

    Thanks and best of luck.

  116. PhrankLee says:

    I don’t think there is any way to buy out Ference. The way he is handled will be key in signing future UFAs.

    They can’t afford to screw it up.

    He stays, has his contract honored and is given a viking burial. There will be heavy and heartfelt thanks heaped on him upon his retirement.

    He’s deserves respect. What an assignment! If anything we should be respectful of the incredible professionalism he has shown since his signing.

    If only he played like this last year when it really mattered… nvm.

  117. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: This is the truth.

    It’s important for people to know it’s possible to believe this AND think Eakins came in too hot and alienated people.

    I think Eakins made a lot of mistakes, but hanging his PDO around his neck due to corsi when under Nelson they have less high quality shots is just being obstinate and ignoring evidence.

    But that isn’t how many people, especially those who have an axe to grind with advanced analytics and are willing to use the numbers against themselves, want the story to go.

    They want Eakins to be an arrogant hot head who put numbers ahead of people and was shocked when his ivory tower Dellow-inspired computer model didn’t spit out a real-world response because numbers don’t tell you about how hard a player works or whether he has any hockey sense.

    We’d better get a sequence of events laid out because we’re going to be fighting this for a few years, regardless of what happens with Nelson.

  118. Lowetide says:

    Interesting update from MacT today. I’ll have something up later but it sounds like

    D for 2015-16

    Klefbom-Schultz
    Nikitin-Fayne
    Ference-Marincin

    Sounds like Petry is gone and Nurse/Leon may play in the AHL. Draft need an impact player and if it’s a forward needs to be an offensive player.

    It’s Strome.

  119. PhrankLee says:

    Lowetide: It’s Strome.

    Without a doubt in my mind the wisest choice.

  120. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide:
    Interesting update from MacT today. I’ll have something up later but it sounds like

    D for 2015-16

    Klefbom-Schultz
    Nikitin-Fayne
    Ference-Marincin

    Sounds like Petry is gone and Nurse/Leon may play in the AHL. Draft need an impact player and if it’s a forward needs to be an offensive player.

    It’s Strome.

    Ya, Bob really gave MacT the gears there.

    And that D gets killed. Again.

  121. book¡je says:

    Woodguy: This is the truth.

    It’s important for people to know it’s possible to believe this AND think Eakins came in too hot and alienated people.

    I think Eakins made a lot of mistakes, but hanging his PDO around his neck due to corsi when under Nelson they have less high quality shots is just being obstinate and ignoring evidence.

    As noted, it is possible to think that Eakins made a lot of mistakes, may not be a good coach, and may have harmed the team without suggesting that Todd Nelson is a good coach.

  122. fifthcartel says:

    Yikes, that defense is really really scary.

  123. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Lowetide,

    That lineup isn’t good.

    But hey, at least the Oilers policy will be that you have to be at least 20 years old before you are allowed to lose hockey games in the NHL, so that’s a plus.

  124. Ice Sage says:

    Lowetide: Interesting update from MacT today. I’ll have something up later but it sounds likeD for 2015-16Klefbom-SchultzNikitin-FayneFerence-MarincinSounds like Petry is gone and Nurse/Leon may play in the AHL. Draft need an impact player and if it’s a forward needs to be an offensive player. It’s Strome.

    MacT blowing smoke on that D lineup. Guess we’ll see for ourselves in a month. The ‘build from the outside’ continues

  125. GCW_69 says:

    G Money: Strome the C the Oilers need to finally build up the middle.

    Where does he fit with Leon and Nuge? Do we really need another young centre?

  126. vinotintazo says:

    GCW_69,

    he goes back to Junior….

  127. Snowman says:

    Lowetide:
    Inte

    It’s Strome.

    Not Marner?

  128. slopitch says:

    Lowetide:
    Interesting update from MacT today. I’ll have something up later but it sounds like

    D for 2015-16

    Klefbom-Schultz
    Nikitin-Fayne
    Ference-Marincin

    Sounds like Petry is gone and Nurse/Leon may play in the AHL. Draft need an impact player and if it’s a forward needs to be an offensive player.

    It’s Strome.

    Eichel? We still have 6 points on Carolina whom I doubt we finish higher than. 8 points on Arizona.

    That D means another wasted season next year unless Schulz and Klefbom really take steps forwad. 456!

  129. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: It’s Strome.

    With that D? I think you meant Auston Matthews.

  130. blainer says:

    Lowetide:
    Interesting update from MacT today. I’ll have something up later but it sounds like

    D for 2015-16

    Klefbom-Schultz
    Nikitin-Fayne
    Ference-Marincin

    Sounds like Petry is gone and Nurse/Leon may play in the AHL. Draft need an impact player and if it’s a forward needs to be an offensive player.

    It’s Strome.

    Sub out Nikitan with Seabrook and were good to go..

  131. oliveoilers says:

    RexLibris: With that D? I think you meant Auston Matthews.

    With that D? That’s a pink slip via Skype.

  132. TheOtherJohn says:

    Lowetide: Interesting update from MacT today. I’ll have something up later but it sounds likeD for 2015-16Klefbom-SchultzNikitin-FayneFerence-MarincinSounds like Petry is gone and Nurse/Leon may play in the AHL. Draft need an impact player and if it’s a forward needs to be an offensive player. It’s Strome.

    Holy shit if that is accurate that is a HUGE F U to the ticket buying fans. That D is as bad or worse than this years — replace Petry with Marincin with Nikitan and Ference being year older.

    Looks like outside playoffs for 10th year but selecting 18-24 not lottery

  133. GCW_69 says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    Pouzar,

    Straight up it isn’t a good deal.I’m speculating that if we do that deal maybe we could move Petry for a roughly equivalent D with some term left on his deal, maybe Bogo since he looks to be standing behind Buff, Trouba, and Ernstrom on the depth chart with some good prospects on the way.

    Eberle > Kane, but
    Bogo (signed) > Petry (unsigned)

    The only way you get a real defender back in a Petry deal is if it is a sign and trade. Not saying that can’t happen, but no one is trading a signed defender of quality in a deal for an unsigned Petry.

  134. jbfuzz says:

    I can get behind Leon and Nurse being in the AHL but for the love of God will they ever figure out how to roll a useful D?

    If they spend whatever FA money they have this off-season on Niemi I will literally palmslap through the back of my head. Niemi has put up league average numbers on really good teams. On a shit team, he’ll get creamed.

  135. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    blainer: Sub out Nikitan with Seabrook and were good to go..

    Same can be said about my wife and Heather Locklear!

  136. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    RexLibris: I think you meant Auston Matthews.

    You called?

  137. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    I’m very late to the party (and mostly a lurker) but Woodguy… if you’re writing an article on drafting and developing, would you consider the Islanders? They seem to have a really nice crop of forwards they’ve drafted.

    Also, is there any way to get a data dump breaking down the TOI for each game, for each player? If anyone could help, that would be a great help. Thanks.

  138. oliveoilers says:

    TheOtherJohn: Holy shit if that is accurate that is a HUGE F U to the ticket buying fans. That D is as bad or worse than this years — replace Petry with Marincin with Nikitan and Ference being year older.

    Looks like outside playoffs for 10th year but selecting 18-24 not lottery

    Well, there’s a faction calling for an end to the revolving door of players and coaches in the name of consistency. The thing is, they don’t differentiate between consistently good or bad.

    Careful what you wish for, because that defence would definitely be consistent….

  139. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide,

    Nurse and Leon in the AHL would be music.

  140. verdad2.0 says:

    Lowetide:
    Interesting update from MacT today. I’ll have something up later but it sounds like

    D for 2015-16

    Klefbom-Schultz
    Nikitin-Fayne
    Ference-Marincin

    Sounds like Petry is gone and Nurse/Leon may play in the AHL. Draft need an impact player and if it’s a forward needs to be an offensive player.

    It’s Strome.

    What competent GM would go into next year with Ference and Nikitin?
    Everyone ask themselves that question.
    MacTavish cares only about rationalizing past mistakes, not progress.
    Can he be shown the door this afternoon?

  141. vinotintazo says:

    Pouzar:
    Lowetide,

    Nurse and Leon in the AHL would be music.

    + 1

  142. verdad2.0 says:

    Lowetide:
    Interesting update from MacT today. I’ll have something up later but it sounds like

    D for 2015-16

    Klefbom-Schultz
    Nikitin-Fayne
    Ference-Marincin

    Sounds like Petry is gone and Nurse/Leon may play in the AHL. Draft need an impact player and if it’s a forward needs to be an offensive player.

    It’s Strome.

    Explain how the OIlers justify keeping a pick if all it brings is MacDavid’s second banana?
    That pick is close to worthless for the Oilers if it isn’t MacDavid.
    Does MacTavish not care about results next season?

  143. Pouzar says:

    So what another year of FSN eh……………………so who’s this Matthews kid?????

  144. DDane0208 says:

    Long time reader first time poster. Personally, I could not stand Eakins especially after his unsuccessful attempt at the swarm defence. I recall a post conference with him stating that the d didn’t know how to play defence therefore the swarm was not effective. Fair statement but it took him 20+ games to realize this. Everyone states how intuitive he is but it took him 20 games to change a system which was ineffective from the get go. Any coach would be able to indentify within a few periods. Not Eakins!
    He was really arrogant… Probably from MacT telling him he was secure for the contract.
    From him taking away the history in the locker room to as small as removing the ping pong table. We gave him the keys to the bus and he drove it off the cliff.
    If MacT hands the keys over again hopefully it’s to a coach that is deserving of this right.
    Will probably see him again in hockey but I doubt it will be the NHL

  145. G Money says:

    RexLibris,

    Rex, I’d be honoured if you feel any of my rantings are worthy of inclusion in your article.

    Will definitely keep you posted on progress – in fact, as this is all new stuff (as far as I know, if anyone has come across something similar being done, please post links!), I’ll be counting on you good folks here at LT to run ideas by and help me refine this stuff into (hopefully) something that is useful.

    One thing for your article you might want to include, at least as far as the temporal aspect of stats goes … the idea of making this a general purpose time-cluster type of metric is unique as far as I know, but of course all progress comes from standing on the shoulders of giants.

    The specific ongoing work that I’d consider to be the basis for the idea is e.g. what Tyler was working on last year – looking at how Corsi is affected by faceoffs, usually in the 30s immediately after. His was the first set of work I encountered that added the dimension of time into the equation, though I suppose you could argue that it’s really situational i.e. analogous to what we do in looking at 5×5 Corsi, Corsi Close, etc.

    Since then, others have looked at the flip side of that faceoff work, namely how Corsi looks independent of (i.e. more than 30s after) faceoffs. I believe the de facto term for that is Open Corsi, if anyone’s been reading on that.

    More generally, I think there is a rich field to be mined in looking at how the rest of the NHL’s play by play data relates. The Open Corsi guys are looking at Corsi post faceoffs. Could do the same for e.g. hits, giveaways, takeaways, end of power plays, etc.

    Sounds like nonsense to the anti-numerically-inclined, but to me its all about understanding the game, especially objective, often subtle, but important realities, a little better.

    SCIENCE! SCI-SCI-SCIENCE! It’s poetry in motion!

  146. oilersfan says:

    i would think the Oilers have a plan to take the cap space and the pick they get as part of a package to get one of Seabrook, Myers or Phaneuf to take the #1 RD spot. I know Phaneuf shoots left but until this year has spent most of his career on the right side and feels more comfortable with it.

    I don’t think Mact is going to go on an interview in Feb and tell everybody what his plans are for June so he says what he can. lets reserve judgement on how stupid he is until the draft shall we.

  147. rickithebear says:

    wheatnoil: I remember that post and NYCOil pointed out that comparison between Crouse and Landeskog. It’s a good point. Some players’ numbers get buoyed by being on a high power team. The flip-side to that is that high power teams tend to share the minutes, where as a good player on a bad team may get a ton of EV and special team minutes. That appears to be the case with Crouse, who is estimated to be playing over 27 minutes a game as a forward! The fact that, despite his huge minutes, he’s still not getting a point a game is concerning for a potential top draft pick in this particular draft.

    I don’t know about him playing with players with low P/60. As far as I know, we don’t have WOWY stats for junior leagues.

    Remember, Draisaitl last year was on a not-great PA team. It was him and Morrissey vs the world and Draisaitl factored in on a huge number of his team’s points. Being on a bad team didn’t hold Draisaitl’s points back too much… he got more minutes, played tough comp, and scored a ton.

    So I don’t know how much to factor in Crouse’s low scoring team in assessing his offensive output. I mean, part of the reason his team is low scoring is because he’s playing half the game and not scoring enough!

    for the gazillionth time.

    when you play 2/3 of the time with a C-w pair that is .82 PPG
    and
    1/3 with players that are .47 PPG.

    there are a lot of passes that are not finnished
    There are not alot of passes coming to you!

    who much can playing with quality players affect you.
    Mcdavid is around 3.30 PPG when playing with strome.
    he is 1.91 PPG without strome.

    Strome is 2.65 PPG with NMcdavid
    He is 1.61 PPG without.

    The y have equal regression of 40%

    The more dominate player should have less % reduction.

    Begs the question.
    How can Mcdavid be 1.91 with others and only on a generation pace paired with Strome.

    Cause based on without numbers; age and league.
    NCAA .45
    OHL .3
    .45/.3 = 1.5
    Eichel Oct 96 1.67 X 1.5 = 2.50 PPG X .53 – 1.325 X 82gm = 109pt (41G 68A)
    Mcdavid jan 97 1.91 PPG X .58 = 1.1078 X 82 = 91pt (30G 61A)
    Strome Mar 97 1.61 ppg X .62 = .9982 X 82 = 82PT (29G 53A)

    Cause we are likely going to get 1st; 3rd, 4th.
    Mcdavid; Hanifin; Strome

    i would prefer to try to win and take strome!

  148. G Money says:

    GCW_69: Where does he fit with Leon and Nuge? Do we really need another young centre?

    Depth, my friend, depth! And also some risk management.

    We all love the Nuge, and I expect him to be the next Datsyuk, anchoring the top line for years to come, putting up +ppg and playing a solid 200-ft game every night.

    But he’s not there yet. His point totals are still well down the list for a 1C. So what if he never gets there? That means he’s an excellent 2C on a contender. And 1C is a hole no team can afford.

    Same thing with Leon.

    Liked what I saw, think he’s going to make a terrific 2C to complement Nuge’s 1C. But what if that doesn’t happen? What if all we get from Leon are flashes of the player he could be but never is able to bring it consistently (like what has happened so far with Yak?).

    So I like the idea of adding Strome as another bullet in the 1C/2C chamber. If either Nuge or Leon falter, Strome might be able to step in as a dominant 1C or 2C in time, to replace either.

    And if luck (like the Oilers have NEVER really seen) comes about and Nuge and Strome both reach 1C and Leon is indeed a powerful 2C? Have one of them center a third Unicorn line. Or put the strongest two at C and the third one on the wing, ready willing and able to step in if either of the other two go down for any period of time.

  149. jbfuzz says:

    The best thing about drafting a good young C is that they can easily move to the wing. Not so much with a winger moving to C.

  150. Bank Shot says:

    oilersfan:
    i would think the Oilers have a plan to take the cap space and the pick they get as part of a package to get one of Seabrook, Myers or Phaneuf to take the #1 RD spot. I know Phaneuf shoots left but until this year has spent most of his career on the right side and feels more comfortable with it.

    I don’t think Mact is going to go on an interview in Feb and tell everybody what his plans are for June so he says what he can. lets reserve judgement on how stupid he is until the draft shall we.

    Why reserve judgement?

    We’ve already seen two off seasons of Mac showing how.stupid he is. We don’t need any more. The guy has been telegraphing his moves since he took over the reins in Edmonton. Why should we expect anything different now?

    The Eakins era certainly didn’t help the Oilers. The Mac era is hurting them worse.

  151. Showerhead says:

    G Money: Depth, my friend, depth!And also some risk management.

    We all love the Nuge, and I expect him to be the next Datsyuk, anchoring the top line for years to come, putting up +ppg and playing a solid 200-ft game every night.

    But he’s not there yet.His point totals are still well down the list for a 1C.So what if he never gets there?That means he’s an excellent 2C on a contender.And 1C is a hole no team can afford.

    Same thing with Leon.

    Liked what I saw, think he’s going to make a terrific 2C to complement Nuge’s 1C.But what if that doesn’t happen?What if all we get from Leon are flashes of the player he could be but never is able to bring it consistently (like what has happened so far with Yak?).

    So I like the idea of adding Strome as another bullet in the 1C/2C chamber.If either Nuge or Leon falter, Strome might be able to step in as a dominant 1C or 2C in time, to replace either.

    And if luck (like the Oilers have NEVER really seen) comes about and Nuge and Strome both reach 1C and Leon is indeed a powerful 2C? Have one of them center a third Unicorn line.Or put the strongest two at C and the third one on the wing, ready willing and able to step in if either of the other two go down for any period of time.

    Yeah, while it’s frustrating to think Edmonton’s depth at C would be so raw, I don’t think they’re anywhere near running into the “too many good players” problem.

    If Crosby and Malkin and Sutter can play on a team, so can Nuge and Draisaitl and Strome. Even if they all reach their max potential.

  152. Rational Zealot says:

    This is a ridiculous discussion with only a few reasonable people being drowned out by the noise.

    Even if you ignore the shot metrics and shot quality (both of which have gotten worse) the Oilers record in 2015 is 3-7-4.

    That’s not good. People might be feeling better and talking about tempo in practice but that is nonsense born out of a 3-1 record in shootouts.

    Ask yourself this. If the shootout record were reversed and instead of being 6-8, they were 4-10 would everyone be happy? Now ask yourself how come you feel good about the team now because the coin flipped slightly differently.

    Note: I chose 2015 because I couldn’t remember the exact date Nelson took over. Either way the point stands.

  153. Woodguy says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: Salary cap says hello. We can’t spend $15+MM on 3 left wingers. Balance, folks, balance. We need to save that money for C and D

    The correct answer.

  154. Rational Zealot says:

    DDane0208:
    Long time reader first time poster. Personally, I could not stand Eakins especially after his unsuccessful attempt at the swarm defence. I recall a post conference with him stating that the d didn’t know how to play defence therefore the swarm was not effective. Fair statement but it took him 20+ games to realize this. Everyone states how intuitive he is but it took him 20 games to change a system which was ineffective from the get go. Any coach would be able to indentify within a few periods.NotEakins!
    He was really arrogant… Probably from MacT telling him he was secure for the contract.
    From himtaking away the history in the locker room to as small as removing the ping pong table. We gave him the keys to the bus and he drove it off the cliff.
    If MacT hands the keys over again hopefully it’s to a coach that is deserving of this right.
    Will probably see him again in hockey but I doubt it will be the NHL

    This is why people hate Eakins. They think he is arrogant. That drives all the analysis.

    To which I can only say that if you hate Eakins for being arrogant you are a terrible judge of people.

    It’s the Mackinnon thing all over again. Dumb people hating people smarter than them who don’t play nice with an aw shucks attitude.

    You can be smart in the NHL and succeed but you better put it behind a veil.

  155. oliveoilers says:

    Rational Zealot:
    This is a ridiculous discussion with only a few reasonable people being drowned out by the noise.

    Even if you ignore the shot metrics and shot quality (both of which have gotten worse) the Oilers record in 2015 is 3-7-4.

    That’s not good.People might be feeling better and talking about tempo in practice but that is nonsense born out of a 3-1 record in shootouts.

    Ask yourself this.If the shootout record were reversed and instead of being 6-8, they were 4-10 would everyone be happy?Now ask yourself how come you feel good about the team now because the coin flipped slightly differently.

    Note:I chose 2015 because I couldn’t remember the exact date Nelson took over.Either way the point stands.

    The Oilers record in the last 3 days is 0-1. Fire the coach.

    You point to the shoot out record. Well, at least we are now being asked to “call it, friendo” where as before we were lamenting another comprehensive loss.

  156. oliveoilers says:

    Rational Zealot: This is why people hate Eakins.They think he is arrogant.That drives all the analysis.

    To which I can only say that if you hate Eakins for being arrogant you are a terrible judge of people.

    It’s the Mackinnon thing all over again.Dumb people hating people smarter than them who don’t play nice with an aw shucks attitude.

    You can be smart in the NHL and succeed but you better put it behind a veil.

    Oh, Eakins is arrogant. But is that a bad thing? It just means he thinks he’s more intelligent than everyone else. The trick to it is to actually BE more intelligent than everyone else.

    Eakins just didn’t have the grace of a Stanley Cup on his resume. Torts is arrogant. Hartley. Carlyle. Just to name three.

    You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about anti-intellectualism. Really smart people don’t rise to it and continue on their way to being stupid people’s bosses.

    None of this is an issue if you win.

  157. Woodguy says:

    GCW_69: Where does he fit with Leon and Nuge? Do we really need another young centre?

    You always need 6’3 scoring centers.

    Always.

  158. rickithebear says:

    Nikitin(52% ZS) -Fayne (45%ZS) 1st comp 2nd team 2.21 EVGA/60
    ———————————————————————————————-
    Marincin (45% ZS) 1st Comp 4th team 2.08 EVGA
    Ference (46% ZS) 1st comp 3rd team 2.78 EVGA
    ———————————————————————————————
    Klefbom(51%)2nd/3rdcomp 1st team -Schultz (61%) 3rd comp 2nd team 1.75 EVGA

  159. vinotintazo says:

    rickithebear,

    Craig’s on it.

  160. Adam Wu says:

    You can never have too many young talented C’s!

    If, after all the to-the-wing shuffling, and injuries and so forth, you still have an “extra” talented young C you can’t fit into your line-up, you have trade bait!

  161. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy: You always need 6’3 scoring centers.

    Always.

    Dang Straight. Just that it would be nice to have them on a value contract with five years experience. A guy can dream…..

  162. Dead Oiler walking says:

    What we know about Eakins is that his Corsi was good, but I believe that there were posts showing that the corsi was affected significantly by score. Score adjusted Fenwick not so good.

    Woodguy shows that under Eakins more shots were taken from the better scoring areas. If so why was the PDO so bad. It was not all on the goalies. Shooting percentage was also low.

    How does the coach affect the PDO. Petry, Eberle and Hendricks recent comments have shed some light on that subject.

    1) All three said its more fun to come to the rink now – Chicken and egg with winning?
    2) Practices faster – may keep game reflexes sharper
    3) From Eberle after great goal in San Jose- Not gripping my stick as tightly. Not afraid to make a mistake.

    I think # 3 is the crux of how a coach can affect PDO negatively even when shots are coming from better position.

    Shooters

    The standard description is gripping the stick too tightly. In order to be a top sniper the shots have to flow naturally. Pick a target and years of practice/muscle memory/instinct takes over et voila quick release on target.

    Any fear of making a mistake will interfere with the natural flow of shooting or cause a moments hesitation. There is such a small margin for error because defencemen and goalies at this level are just so good. The perfect shot is lost.

    Defence

    Gap control, pivoting on an onrushing forward, making the right play. These are also practice/muscle memory/instinct. Any fear ……. There is such a small margin for error because forwards at this level are so good.

    Goalies

    Goalies need to think about playing the puck or in some cases not playing the puck. Positioning is practice practice practice so it becomes brain memory not muscle memory.

    Reacting to a shot is voodoo.

    If you have ever played goal at the plebeian level, there is no feeling in the world like being”ON” (Well maybe one). You watch the shooter release and bam your glove is there. There’s a deflection and without thought you kick it out. When you are in that zone, you feel invincible and you almost become so because your reflexes that you didn’t even know you had take over.

    At the NHL level the goalies are always there or they are “crap”. More so than any other position, any thought interfering with pure reaction is a death knell. This in fact may be more true on the “easy shots” where the keeper has time to think and therefore is not just there.

    How does a coach affect PDO

    By poor practices because practice/muscle memory and even instinct at this level must be top of the line.

    By planting a seed of doubt or a seed of fear in the minds of the players. Everyone at this level is so good that no matter what your position you cannot doubt yourself or you a quarter of a second too late and that is a lifetime at the speed this game is played.

    The PDO suffers because even with shots from better positions the shot is not perfect or is that quarter of a second late to give the goalie the save. That hole under the arm or the five hole is closed a quarter of a second too late.

    Yes they are professionals but so is everyone else on the ice. The coach can take away the edge.

  163. Woodguy says:

    HeatTreaterJoe:
    I’m very late to the party (and mostly a lurker) but Woodguy… if you’re writing an article on drafting and developing, would you consider the Islanders?They seem to have a really nice crop of forwards they’ve drafted.

    Also, is there any way to get a data dump breaking down the TOI for each game, for each player?If anyone could help, that would be a great help.Thanks.

    Its not going to be comprehensive by any stretch.

    Just going to test a “talking point” about developing players.

    Will include NYI for sure. Nelson, Lee, Strome, Okposo, De Haan, Hamonic, Bailey, Neilsen all came through their system slowly and are good NHLers

  164. Tire Fire says:

    Pouzar: I admit. I read HFOil for kicks. There I said it.

    For kicks in the groin? ‘Cause that’s what if feels like when I read HFOil…

  165. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Woodguy,

    On that point, I’m still waiting for someone to show me definitively why St. Louis deserves to be counted among the top 5. I don’t think they do, for a lot of reasons I cited. The KHL/NHL contract agreement isn’t one reason.

    I.still prefer Hanifin. Nothing is assured with the Oilers’ blueline and I think Hanifin is a can’t miss, rare blueline prospect. But I’m with Strome as next choice. However, skating issues. I mean, I hope he can work on that. I take the elite skating big defenseman over him though.

  166. RexLibris says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: I.still prefer Hanifin. Nothing is assured with the Oilers’ blueline and I think Hanifin is a can’t miss, rare blueline prospect. But I’m with Strome as next choice. However, skating issues. I mean, I hope he can work on that. I take the elite skating big defenseman over him though.

    The sad fact is that the Oilers, five years into their rebuilding process and three 1st overall picks later, could still be said to “need” both Strome and Hanifin as much as either Buffalo or Arizona.

  167. vinotintazo says:

    what will prob happen, we finish 28th,
    If either 30th, 29th, 28th win the lotery;

    They will select MCjesus 1st OVA
    2nd OVA will select Eichel,
    3rd OVA Hanifin.

    if any team beteen 17th and 27th win the lotery, I hope we get get Strome as we will be out of Top 3.

  168. GCW_69 says:

    I think one thing the Oilers rebuild has taught us is that in today’s NHL you can have all the good forwards you want, if your defence sucks you aren’t going anywhere. For further proof, look at the Leafs.

    So, if the Oilers are drafting third and the choice is between Strome and his potential footspeed issues and Hanifan, I would take Hanifan. However, if the Oilers drop below third, and if Hanifan is off the board, then Strome makes a lot of sense unless Eberle has been traded. Then Strome vs right shooting Marner becomes a more interesting discussion.

  169. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy: You always need 6’3 scoring centers.

    Always.

    I think there is a limit to how many under 23 year old centres any organization can absorb at one time.

  170. DDane0208 says:

    Rational Zealot,

    oliveoilers,

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. Respect is earned not given. Mgmt gave to much respect to his potential and probably his arrogance helped in the interview process

  171. rickithebear says:

    Bank Shot: Why reserve judgement?

    We’ve already seen two off seasons of Mac showing how.stupid he is. We don’t need any more. The guy has been telegraphing his moves since he took over the reins in Edmonton.Why should we expect anything different now?

    The Eakins era certainly didn’t help the Oilers. The Mac era is hurting them worse.

    This kind of Drivel is HF standard!

    Facts budyy.

    I have looked at the history of other teams rebuilds.

    1. drafting that goes back 14 years get you asset son a current team.
    We are sitting with one asset before 2008. Petry
    though Dubnyk was a victim of eakins performance reduction.

    2 .you trade older for younger.Not young for picks Klowe/ Tambo removed rom 07-08 base
    Nilsson-XXX-Cogliano
    Torres-Stoll-XXX
    Glencross-Brodziak-XXX
    Reider for Kessey

    3. you try to retain and develop prospects to 23-24
    Roadrunners were dumped
    Finally seeing some depth C. Ham; Lander; Pakarinen

    4. You draft BPAnot for Org depth.
    2013: there are clear trends to player selection.
    – elite russian talent neglected and drafted in lower rounds.
    -Top euro players in lower rounds because of NA weighted draft
    – clear trends to player talent
    nagelvoort .924 Save% NCAA.

    4. Good gm’s find 3-4 NHL players a year.
    MacT retained Petry Hall-RNH-Eberle; Schultz; Yakupov

    july 2013
    Perron
    Ference
    Gordon

    Jan 2014
    Hendricks
    Scrivens
    Fasth

    June 2014
    Nikitin
    Purcell
    Pouliot
    Fayne

    Dec 2014
    Klinkhammer
    Roy

    so when we look at our team:
    jeonsuu 20gm -8 -.40G/gm terminted contract ?
    Perron 38Gm -17 -.45G/gm traded tp pit were he is-.39G/gm
    Draisaitl 37gm -17 -.46G/gm sent to Junior
    Petry 51gm -23 -.45g/gm to be traded
    Purcell 52gm -21 -.40G/gm
    Yakupov 52gm -24 -.46G/gm 16gm -6 -.38G/gm
    top 4 will be gone!
    How about the other 2?

    —————————————————————————
    Roy 16gm -3 -.19G/gm -9 W/ yak +6 w/ pouliot
    Eberle 51gm -15 -.29G/gm last 16gm -1

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-ROY-XXX
    XXX-Lander-Fraser
    Klinkhammer-Gordon-Hendricks

    Nikitin-Fayne 1st Comp 2nd team 2.21 EVGA/60 better than 1st Comp average 2.48
    Marincin-XXX 1st comp 4th team 2.08 EVGA/60
    Klefbom-Schultz 3rd comp 2nd team 1.75 EVGA/60 better than league average 2.33
    Ference

    Scrivens
    Fasth

    Sorry but I count 10 peices in less than 2 years.

  172. McSorley33 says:

    Pouzar,

    It’s Hanfin for me. I will be thrilled if we draft him at 3.
    *******************************************************
    Agreed. That is my pick as well….

    Just a reminder – our 1C is a 1st overall pick.

    Our 2C is a 3rd overall pick.

    3C to be filled by a …..wait for it….another lottery pick?
    ( quick note Lander and Yak 2 in system )

  173. russ99 says:

    Hope to god MacT is bluffing.

    If not, then the no playoffs until the new arena fix is truly in.

  174. rickithebear says:

    Bank shot:

    Has us with:
    Hall-RNH-Eberle; Schultz Retained
    10 added
    Lander; Marincin; Klefbom Katz era drafting.

    with
    C. HAm (230;
    Pakarinen (23);
    Yakimov (20)
    Slepyshev (20)
    Draisatl (19)
    2015 Pick
    waiting in the wings.

    Can we use Yak to get us a Young goalie asset.

  175. spoiler says:

    Tire Fire:
    Oh my god, Brigitte.Anyone seen Contempt? Top notch film, and just acres of Brigitte in it.

    Ha! I quite enjoyed Lang’s unwitting self-caricature.

    It’s a good movie, but there have been far better movies down the same path since, so I’m not sure how posterity will view this film. Sure it was one of the originators of those ideas, but rarely is that the best way to approach ideas, since it is inherently self-limiting to start at the beginning.

    I do like it better than Breathless, but for me the best Godard is King Lear, and even that is somewhat of a failure (but definitely worth watching).

    Godard is a great theorist, but not the greatest artist, in my opinion. Art seems to rely on some intuitiveness. We can see this trait in many interviews with artists, who seem to rarely understand themselves the forces they have harnessed.

    Loved Brigitte though. Every acre.

  176. verdad2.0 says:

    spoiler,

    Godard one of the most over-rated directors of all time.
    Still probably a better GM than MacTavish

  177. RexLibris says:

    OT, but I know we have a few history buffs here.

    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/feb/06/why-obsessed-nazis-third-reich

    Excellent article on perceptions and how they change with study and changing demographics.

  178. Dead Oiler walking says:

    How do we know Draisaitl wasn’t NHL ready (per Bob Mck at the draft he was the most NHL ready at the draft) but his performance was hampered by Eakins’ inability to help young players progress?

  179. spoiler says:

    verdad2.0:
    spoiler,

    Godard one of the most over-rated directors of all time.
    Still probably a better GM than MacTavish

    Well I think it would be difficult to deny his influence. But I suspect it would be better to read Godard than watch Godard.

    Most of the Nouvelle Vague suffered from the same issues. Except Rohmer. Rohmer could transport the viewer.

    It took Truffaut 15 years to solve these issues, but he finally did with La Nuit Americaine, a truly great movie that understood that movies don’t merely depict or discover life but rather have a life and energy of their own. Cinema is not about relaying a life in a “true” or say journalistic manner. I wish the entire New Wave had started with this notion rather than neo-Italian inspired verity.

  180. Woodguy says:

    GCW_69: I think there is a limit to how many under 23 year old centres any organization can absorb at one time.

    No there isn’t.

    Almost every winger on NYI was drafted as a C.

  181. sliderule says:

    Eakins in hindsight was terrific

    He is going to get us a top three or four pick.The top three if drafted by oilers will all play and be better than anyone that oilers have at that position.

    Strome /Marner will most likely be in junior but you never know.Marner suffered quite a severe concussion has already missed two weeks and reports say is not supposed to be playing this weekend.That is a concern.

    No other coach that I could think of hiring in hindsight could have done same.The funny thing from what I have heard that after last season Lowe knew it was a matter of time.You have to at least give him credit for that.

  182. RexLibris says:

    sliderule: Eakins in hindsight was terrific

    This is like my cynical joke that Khabibulin was a key part of the Oilers’ rebuild.

  183. oliveoilers says:

    RexLibris:
    OT, but I know we have a few history buffs here.

    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/feb/06/why-obsessed-nazis-third-reich

    Excellent article on perceptions and how they change with study and changing demographics.

    Excellent article, especially for the Guardian! (Guardian Reader is an insult given in the pub to the guy who has no opinion on anything unless the Guardian tells him what it is.)

    Having lived in Germany, 20kms from Bergen-Belsen, the cloud is still over the local populace. Indeed, in the mid 90s, I worked with German civilians who remember the terror. The local SS battalion was from Serbia and didn’t care whom they killed, as long as they killed something, and in the most awful way possible. White, Aryan looking Germans had as much to fear as anybody else. The tactics used included subverting your friends by threatening their families in order to gather information. Make a joke about Hitler, and it might be a month, then in the middle of the night, they came. And you would never know who told………Maybe your closest friend or even a relative.

    The words ‘Hier Toten 50,000’ on a 40’L x 20’W x 10’H mound in a field will be ones I remember forever.

  184. Ca$h-Money! says:

    GCW_69: The only way you get a real defender back in a Petry deal is if it is a sign and trade. Not saying that can’t happen,but no one is trading a signed defender of quality in a deal for an unsigned Petry.

    I understand that, but in this case they’re also getting Eberle for Kane, which I’m presenting (rightly or wrongly, doesn’t matter) as a clear win for them. They win the Eberle-Kane swap but lose the Petry-Dman swap, with the idea being that it gives them a long term forward and a fill in Dman who helps them get to the playoffs this year. And if they can sign him, great. In short:

    Of course we wouldn’t do Eberle for Kane straight up
    Of course they wouldn’t do Petry for Bogo straight up

    But if we did them both together it might wash up.

    Doesn’t matter though, I was bored and speculating, it’ll never happen.

  185. Woodguy says:

    Showerhead: Yeah, while it’s frustrating to think Edmonton’s depth at C would be so raw, I don’t think they’re anywhere near running into the “too many good players” problem.

    If Crosby and Malkin and Sutter can play on a team, so can Nuge and Draisaitl and Strome. Even if they all reach their max potential.

    NYI has Tavares, Grabovski, Nielsen, Lee, Strome, Nelson, Bailey, and Cizakas all playing forward.

    All drafted as C’s.

    4th in the EC and a very good team.

    You can never have enough C’s unless you have 12 on your NHL team and 12 on your AHL team.

  186. Woodguy says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Woodguy,

    On that point, I’m still waiting for someone to show me definitively why St. Louis deserves to be counted among the top 5. I don’t think they do, for a lot of reasons I cited. The KHL/NHL contract agreement isn’t one reason.

    I.still prefer Hanifin. Nothing is assured with the Oilers’ blueline and I think Hanifin is a can’t miss, rare blueline prospect. But I’m with Strome as next choice. However, skating issues. I mean, I hope he can work on that. I take the elite skating big defenseman over him though.

    I haven’t look closely.

    Your argument sounds reasonable.

  187. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: The sad fact is that the Oilers, five years into their rebuilding process and three 1st overall picks later, could still be said to “need” both Strome and Hanifin as much as either Buffalo or Arizona.

    I agree its sad.

    Sad because I’ve been an Oiler fan since I was 7 and I have many, many memories of Oiler games meaning so much that it dictated your heart rate.

    Sad because now that I’m 43 I find fame or job title has little effect on my opinion of people and regardless of their fame as hockey players the people who have managed the team I cheer for in the last 10 years aren’t that good at it and the games haven’t moved my heart rate since Cogliano scored the 3rd OT goal in a row.

    That Oiler team won a ton of games in OT.

    They weren’t that good at the rest of the hockey thing though.

  188. Gerta Rauss says:

    Woodguy: the games haven’t moved my heart rate since Cogliano scored the 3rd OT goal in a row.

    That’s funny, that’s the only play that has gotten me out of my seat in the last 8 years.

    Actually, that is sad,the more I think about it

  189. Zangetsu says:

    Funny how flipping through the comments, it’s easy to tell which are ricki’s, even without seeing the name.

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