OILERS AT WILD, G62 2014-15

Jordan Eberle has really stepped up in these Hall-less weeks and it’s reflected in 5×5 scoring since January 1. A lot has changed in the weeks after Dallas Eakins, David Perron and Mark Arcobello left but kid Eberle is enjoying a strong period in the season.

5×5 SCORING SINCE JANUARY 1, 2015 (war-on-ice)

  1. Jordan Eberle 23, 7-4-11
  2. Derek Roy 23, 4-6-10
  3. Nail Yakupov 23, 3-5-8
  4. Oscar Klefbom 23, 2-5-7
  5. Anton Lander 21, 1-5-6
  6. Teddy Purcell 23, 2-4-6
  7. Matt Fraser 18, 2-4-6
  8. Taylor Hall 11, 0-5-5
  9. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 23, 2-3-5
  10. Jeff Petry 21, 1-4-5
  11. Andrew Ference 23, 0-5-5
  12. Justin Schultz 23, 1-2-3
  13. Benoit Pouliot 18, 3-0-3
  14. Matt Hendricks 21, 2-1-3
  15. Luke Gazdic 13, 1-1-2
  16. Rob Klinkhammer 20, 0-2-2
  17. Niki Nikitin 11, 0-1-1
  18. Ryan Hamilton 7, 0-1-1
  19. Boyd Gordon 23, 1-0-1
  20. Mark Fayne 23, 1-0-1

That’s a nice run by Eberle and Roy-Yakupov are doing fine now. Nuge should spike now that he’s spending less time on the PK and of course nothing rhymes until Hall returns. Pouliot had that hot run but has cooled, and Jeff Petry is outscoring Justin Schultz. Oscar Klefbom has been a revelation.

Can’t wait to see this young man at the pro level, Laleggia would be a Godsend as a power-play quarterback. Oilers appear to have scored pretty well in Round Five of the 2012 entry draft.

HMMMM

    • Nugent-Hopkins: “I know if I can chip it in and bump a guy a couple of times, maybe next time he’ll slow down a little bit and I can go to the puck first. Obviously, I’m not the most physical guy, but once in a while, it helps your game to get into it physically.” Source

I’d prefer a skill guy like Nuge to cross the blue under control (not always but most of the time) as we know from the Tulsky lessons that control increases opportunity and success. Hall dumping the puck in 10 times out of 10 is absolutely a misuse of talent—you’ve got a guy who can push back the blue, have him do it! I don’t know if Todd Nelson would be that stubborn, suspect he’d see the value in a possession entry. I’m seeing a lot of dump and chose, though. It makes sense to use both, change things up and dump when there are no good options. Seems to me chipping it in for Hall, Nuge, Eberle should be done less than 50% of the time.

MacT was also watching goalie Matt O’Connor no doubt, he of the solid-to-excellent resume and a possible spring signing. If the Oilers run Brossoit-O’Connor next year in Bakersfield, and Niemi-Scrivens in Edmonton, is that enough? Will that represent a clear upgrade?

PROSPECT POOL

Where do the Oilers need additional help in terms of their prospect list? Well, aside from goaltending there are a few places they could help themselves:

  • Goal: Laurent Brossoit, Zack Nagelvoort
  • Defense: Darnell Nurse, Jordan Oesterle, Dillon Simpson, Brandon Davidson, Joey Laleggia, William Lagesson, Brad Hunt, David Musil, Martin Gernat, Ben Betker
  • Center: Leon Draisaitl, Bogdan Yakimov, Greg Chase, Jujhar Khaira, Kyle Platzer, Marco Roy
  • Left Wing: Anton Slepyshev, Curtis Hamilton, Mitch Moroz, Kale Kessy, Josh Wingquist
  • Right Wing: Iiro Pakarinen, Tyler Pitlick, Andrew Miller, Jackson Houck, Tyler Vesel

A few centers can play wing (Chase as an example has spent significant time on wing) and I have left out several prospects in the interests of clarity. Oilers areas of need include goal, left wing, right wing and you can never have too many defensemen. The issue on wing was less an item when Hall and Eberle had Perron in the band but now we’re probably looking at a winger needed for next season (Hall-Eberle, Pouliot-Yakupov, Hendricks-Klinkhammer, ????-Purcell). Leon might be the best option. Seriously.

hamilton ferguson 141522

The Barons play today so I doubt we’ll see a callup but a trade could happen at any time. I also think Matt Fraser may be in danger of losing his roster spot (Curtis Hamilton?) and the club could probably use a center for the Lander absence. We could see a very active transaction window this week for the Oildrop.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10, TSN 1260. The march toward madness continues! Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, Cult of Hockey. Jon talks Oilers deadline (or the unexpected virtue of ignorance).
  • Travis Yost, TSN. We’ll talk about teams like the Bruins and Kings and their decisions at the deadline.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. Can we identify the teams using analytics for deadline deals?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Lowetide,

    Tell me this was when tabletop games had players made of metal that really clinked when you hammered the puck. And when you needed hockey tape on the metal spindles once the rubber tips wore off from overuse.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Brossoit gets the start for the Barons.

  3. Lowetide says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Lowetide,

    Tell me this was when tabletop games had players made of metal that really clinked when you hammered the puck. And when you needed hockey tape on the metal spindles once the rubber tips wore off from overuse.

    Yep. Wore my fingers raw on those damn things.

  4. Lowetide says:

    #OKCBarons lines (LW-C-RW):
    C. Hamilton-Williams-Ford
    Schaber-Yakimov-Winquist
    Moroz-Khaira-Ewanyk
    K. Jones-C. Jones-Miller

    Defensive pairings:
    Hunt-Davidson
    Simpson-Musil
    Craig-Gernat

  5. book¡je says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Lowetide,

    Tell me this was when tabletop games had players made of metal that really clinked when you hammered the puck. And when you needed hockey tape on the metal spindles once the rubber tips wore off from overuse.

    And one of the players was missing so you had a short pencil taped onto the metal peg with a wad of black electrical tape.

    And the Pencil had a great shot and frequently scored from the defensive zone.

  6. Halfwise says:

    Pouzar: Someone said Oesterle was actually East in German?!?!?!

    I’m soooooooo confused!

    Yeah, that was me and also Numenius. It’s East as in Austria (Oesterreich, eastern kingdom). If we had umlauts in English we’d use them here in place of the Oe, but we sent every last one of them to Finland during their great Umlaut Drought of 1789.

  7. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Lowetide,

    NHL Power Play Electric Hockey was my dad’s game.
    When I moved into my first place my dad bought me a newer tabletop version called Top Corner Hockey.
    Needless to say nothing competes with the older version.
    Whenever I go home I have a best of seven with my old man.
    But lately dad’s health is failing him and he’s getting up there in years.
    Should he pass soon I know he’ll leave me a lot of great memories but hopefully he leaves me that old hockey game and a can of WD-40 to keep the squeaks to a minimum.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Lowetide,

    NHL Power Play Electric Hockey was my dad’s game.
    When I moved into my first place my dad bought me a newer tabletop version called Top Corner Hockey.
    Needless to say nothing competes with the older version.
    Whenever I go home I have a best of seven with my old man.
    But lately dad’s health is failing him and he’s getting up there in years.
    Should he pass soon I know he’ll leave me a lot of great memories but hopefully he leaves me that old hockey game and a can of WD-40 to keep the squeaks to a minimum.

    Ha! Those babies can still sing!

  9. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    When I was 9, my brother started working for farmers around. He was four years older and we were 17 miles from town, so it meant I was alone a lot. My mom worked at the Pine Island Lodge and my Dad worked for Husky, so it was me and the dog and some goats many times.

    Anyway, Dad was a really good guy and he didn’t want me bored, so he bought a table hockey game for me. Now, he STEPPED ON the damn thing first day but it kinda worked better (the Bobby Orr player could get loft on the puck).

    I played that table hockey game 100,000 hours alone and another 100,000 against my brother and I swear it was the best times I had as a kid.

    Ok.

    If MIN wins the Cup I’m throwing a Whisky party and buying a half dozen twitchy hockey tables and throwing a party.

  10. LadiesloveSmid says:

    LT,

    your recent bleacher report blog says “Top NFL prospects” on the front page, “NHL prospects” in blog though

  11. Halfwise says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Lowetide,

    Tell me this was when tabletop games had players made of metal that really clinked when you hammered the puck. And when you needed hockey tape on the metal spindles once the rubber tips wore off from overuse.

    When I was a kid (uphill both ways, bare feet wrapped in barbed wire for traction, dragging my breath cloud that froze to the ground etc etc) they were just introducing sliding hockey players to the table game, replacing the old style where the players just spun in place, like Yak under Eakins.

    Most of the table hockey models had all your players sliding and all controlled from your end of the table. My parents never seemed to buy the normal version of anything, and my table hockey game had a rod out the left side so the C could go back and forth across the ice like Eddie Shack. To operate the game you kind of hovered over the corner and did your best even though not one player was really convenient to reach.

    I think that model was offered only one year. Maybe we were the only family that bought it.

    And the game didn’t have a puck, it had a black marble that should have gone like a rocket but was too heavy.

  12. book¡je says:

    Woodguy: Ok.

    If MIN wins the Cup I’m throwing a Whisky party and buying a half dozen twitchy hockey tables and throwing a party.

    I will hold you to that.

    Maybe we should do it anyway.

  13. Lowetide says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    LT,

    your recent bleacher report blog says “Top NFL prospects” on the front page, “NHL prospects” in blog though

    Ha! I just saw that. I’ve emailed, hopefully they’ll fix. NFL? Not my area!

  14. TemujinBC says:

    Woodguy: Ok.

    If MIN wins the Cup I’m throwing a Whisky party and buying a half dozen twitchy hockey tables and throwing a party.

    I’m in

  15. Woodguy says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Lowetide,

    Tell me this was when tabletop games had players made of metal that really clinked when you hammered the puck. And when you needed hockey tape on the metal spindles once the rubber tips wore off from overuse.

    We warped the spindles as I’m sure you did.

    Had to replace the springs too.

    One time we didn’t have a replacement spring so we sat there for about 4 hours re-bending one of the springs by hand and needle nose pliers.

    Just so we could play.

    Love to play.

    Still do.

  16. Woodguy says:

    book¡je: I will hold you to that.

    Maybe we should do it anyway.

    Bookie it!

  17. Woodguy says:

    TemujinBC: I’m in

    Noted.

  18. FTO says:

    book¡je: I will hold you to that.

    Maybe we should do it anyway.

    I’d be down if you fellas don’t mind a stranger taking ya out at table hockey.

  19. jake70 says:

    Mine had that one damn player whose path was a curvy pattern and there was a lot of friction between the slide mechanism and the surface where the path was cut out. Think it was the Right D-man, couldn’t get him to go past the hash marks. And of course in 1978, only teams were Montreal and Toronto.

    Edit: Then the little mechanism at the base of net would break, the puck would drop to floor, roll under the &^%$ fridge. Miserable memories..miserable….lol (kidding).

  20. Woodguy says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Lowetide,

    NHL Power Play Electric Hockey was my dad’s game.
    When I moved into my first place my dad bought me a newer tabletop version called Top Corner Hockey.
    Needless to say nothing competes with the older version.
    Whenever I go home I have a best of seven with my old man.
    But lately dad’s health is failing him and he’s getting up there in years.
    Should he pass soon I know he’ll leave me a lot of great memories but hopefully he leaves me that old hockey game and a can of WD-40 to keep the squeaks to a minimum.

    Play it with him as much as you can.

    I lost my Dad about 12 years ago or so.

    Not a week goes by that I wouldn’t mind his opinion on something.

  21. Woodguy says:

    jake70,

    . And of course in 1978, only teams were Montreal and Toronto.

    I hated that.

    I never liked either team.

    That’s why we made our own jerseys.

    It was awesome.

  22. Eustace Matthews '16 says:

    Woodguy,

    Follow

    Minnesota WildVerified account
    ‏@mnwild
    BREAKING: #mnwild acquires Sean Bergenheim from #FlaPanthers → http://ow.ly/JCa2K

  23. Lowetide says:

    Nuge with some nice decisions and back checking in the first shift. SOG Eberle.

  24. Halfwise says:

    Eustace Matthews ’16:
    Woodguy,

    Follow

    Minnesota WildVerified account
    ‏@mnwild
    BREAKING: #mnwild acquires Sean Bergenheim from #FlaPanthers → http://ow.ly/JCa2K

    #FlaPanthers acquire @mnwild’s 2016 third-round draft choice in exchange for Bergenheim, 2016 seventh-round choice. http://ow.ly/JCah0
    Retweeted by Florida Panthers

  25. RexLibris says:

    Jordan: HOLY CRAP!WHAT A GREAT TOOL!

    I don’t know what rock I’ve been hiding under, but… those bar graphs I’m seeing at http://ownthepuck.blogspot.ca/ sure tell the story I think I’ve been seeing this year on the Oilers’ defense corpse. Although, Nikitin looks like a passable 3rd paring D-man with it… which I didn’t expect… but… Wow this is neat!

    Thanks for the Link TAFKA NYCOIL!

    This is a thing of beauty.

    Huh, look at that, an independent statistics-based formula that ranks Petry as a top-pairing D across several categories.

    Better flush him quick.

    This is moving past painful-funny and into a level of frustrated nihilism that I’m not sure I can endure.

    *edit – corrected, meant 2nd pairing, the chart loaded improperly.

  26. Lowetide says:

    Marincin with some nice work there.

  27. RexLibris says:

    Re: table top hockey

    The only one I played with was the old family one from WAY back.

    Had two teams in static positions (skaters spin but don’t move otherwise and the board was raked from the middle towards both goalies) Les Canadiens v the All-Stars…I’ll just let that one sit with LT for a moment. 🙂

    Loved that game. Scoring was damned near impossible but, with some practice, you could get the puck (marble) in the corner where the defenseman stood (Don Cherry coaching strategy back then) and whip it around and up the raked ice to hit the opposing player in the head.

    Good times. We still have it, probably mothballed somewhere in the attic. Found some replacement players about ten years ago at an antiques auction (Bos, NYR, Tor, Chi, and Det).

  28. frjohnk says:

    That goal started because of that great pinch by Klefbom. It was a high stick that knocked the puck down.

    Great skill by Pouliet and EBERLE.

  29. Surly says:

    “But I forgot to stop the puck”. What a great quote from Dubnyk

  30. russ99 says:

    Me and my brother wore out one of those old school Munro tables in the 70s and 80s. We had Montreal, Toronto and the Hawks.

    We even had the puck dropper that would face off the ball bearing puck from high above center ice.

    Nothing was more satisfying than that metal “clank” when you scored a goal.

  31. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Woodguy: If MIN wins the Cup I’m throwing a Whisky party and buying a half dozen twitchy hockey tables and throwing a party.

    Might as well order those twitchy tables.
    Wild just picked up playoff performer Bergenheim.
    12 Goals in 23 career playoff games.
    He’s approaching Fernando Pisani numbers.

  32. RexLibris says:

    Arizona with a likely loss tonight.

    Buffalo and Carolina looking like they might win.

  33. Woodguy says:

    Halfwise: #FlaPanthers acquire @mnwild’s 2016 third-round draft choice in exchange for Bergenheim, 2016 seventh-round choice. http://ow.ly/JCah0
    Retweeted by Florida Panthers

    That’s a pretty good player for that price.

    Very good player for that price.

  34. Lowetide says:

    I think this is one of those Nelson periods that GCW graph was showing.

  35. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Stupid, unnecessary play by Hendricks there leads to icing and Nelson has to burn a time out.

  36. Lowetide says:

    Or was it G Money? I think it was G Money.

  37. Ben says:

    Just tuning in – has Petry dislocated his shoulder yet?

  38. Jordan says:

    Woodguy,

    1 – How’s Jeff doing to help increase his trade value?

    2 – What kind o Whisky are you drinking?

  39. Ca$h-Money! says:

    I’m hearing the oilers (or barons) acquired goalie Allen York. If so thT likely means Scrivens or Fasth is on the way out and Bachman will be backup.

    EDIT: nevermind he was signed by Tampa Bay

  40. sliderule says:

    Henderson has post about mact shooting off his mouth and then mact does it again.

    In saying that they don’t need to scout anymore for first pick even though they don’t know their finish.

    WTF that is so stupid.

  41. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide:
    Or was it G Money? I think it was G Money.

    G money. And yup. O zone time for the wild this period has been majority of the period

  42. RexLibris says:

    sliderule:
    Henderson has post about mact shooting off his mouth and then mact does it again.

    In saying that they don’t need to scout anymore for first pick even though they don’t know their finish.

    WTF that is so stupid.

    Haven’t heard the comment, but this would be in line with his comment about seeing Klefbom play overseas.

    So have we established a pattern here: quick to decide, slow to change. That’s a great recipe for a manager. Of course Tambellini was kind of the opposite: slow to decide, and, uh, slow to change?

  43. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Oilers going for a new record for number of icings in one period.

  44. leadfarmer says:

    You want boring, we’ll show you boring. Yawn.

  45. RexLibris says:

    Mitchel Lichtman ‏@mitchellichtman 2h2 hours ago

    Sabermetrics/analytics in sports boils down to 2 simple, inter-related things: Find out what’s true and what not. Spend money efficiently.

    Except when the analytics don’t jive with what you “know” about a player. Right?

  46. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    sliderule:
    Henderson has post about mact shooting off his mouth and then mact does it again.

    In saying that they don’t need to scout anymore for first pick even though they don’t know their finish.

    WTF that is so stupid.

    Sorry I missed this new quote. What? They need to be scouting Hanifin, Strome, Marner big time.

  47. frjohnk says:

    I don’t recall oilers playing in their zone so much as this second period.

    And they have had some shitty periods

  48. Ben says:

    Pretty much everyone here has a plaid blanket coloured exactly like the Wild’s unis at their lake cottage, right?

  49. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    The corgis and the eye test both suggest this was a god awful period of hockey by the Oilers. Yikes this team can be terrible at times.

  50. RexLibris says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Oilers going for a new record for number of icings in one period.

    I’ve had a heck of a time finding it, but the record for icings in a game goes back to the 40s or earlier, as I recall.

    Read in a book of strange NHL records that it was the result of a grudge match between (and I may get the teams wrong here, so bear with me) the Americans and the Blackhawks or Red Wings, maybe.

    The owner of, I think, the Americans was upset over some officiating or result from a previous game so he instructed his coach (and we think ownership is meddlesome today) that the next game, every time the team had the puck to throw it down the ice.

    Over 70 icing calls in the game.

    I don’t recall what the league responded with, but this was before the era of a commissioner so the response would have been muted with only six owners on the board.

    I’m going to see if I can find the book/reference and will post when I do.

  51. Pouzar says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    The corgis and the eye test both suggest this was a god awful period of hockey by the Oilers. Yikes this team can be terrible at times.

    We need a stud d-man to calm the waters. Stretches like that can happen.

  52. sliderule says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    It was in the intermission interview.

  53. RexLibris says:

    Flames drop 1-0 to NYR.

    If the Oilers lose the game it’ll threaten the Flames’ position.

    Just saying, Todd.

  54. Snowman says:

    Sounds to me like MacT has top of the draft list pretty set. Might be a bit early for that but I’m guessing it goes McDavid, Eichel, Hanifin, Strome.

    Also sounds like they aren’t planning on flipping Pitt’s pick for help next year.

    Bummer.

  55. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    sliderule,

    Thanks. Hopefully there’s a replay somewhere. Hopefully he’s just talking out of his ass.

    RexLibris,

    Lol. You don’t need to. It just felt like there were about 10 icings by the Oilers that period.

  56. Yeti says:

    sliderule: It was in the intermission interview.

    OK, but what precisely was the quote? Simply that everyone knows who #1 overall is, so that they only need to scout thereafter? Doesn’t seem too controversial.

  57. sliderule says:

    Yeti,

    Lol

  58. Snowman says:

    Yeti,

    Gene asked how much more he would want to watch McDavid, Eichel, Hanifin and he said something along the lines of “we don’t need to watch the top guys. our time is better spent scouting for our second first round pick, our second round and our two thirds.”

    I don’t really see what the big deal is either to be honest.

  59. sliderule says:

    Snowman,

    You are right he admitted their top three.

    Depending on Arizona and lottery they are just as likely to finish fifth.

    Their is a big difference between fourth and fifth.

    You are right in oiler land no big deal.

  60. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Snowman,

    I didn’t see it so will reserve judgement. But if the hockey world at large can’t decide who is best among 3, 4, 5, how can they have made up their minds? Especially as much of the season is left. Weird.

    Scouting the other picks’ slots is important, no doubt. But they do need to get their top pick right.

  61. RexLibris says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: Lol. You don’t need to.

    No.

    No, I NEED to.

    It’s kind of pathological.

  62. T0ML says:

    Dont know about anyone else but im seeing Pou, hell the entire first line, pretty good ….. however my ass cheeks clench when I saw Gazdic out against vanek line with no stick…… WHY OILERS WHYYYYYY …. Would C. Hamilton be that much worse than GAZDOOK …. not like we needed a fighter for this ….

  63. Snowman says:

    sliderule,

    If you know the top three, I think you can name the top 5.

    McDavid, Eichel, Hanifin, Strome, Marner and I’ll even throw Provorov/Werenski as their 6th.

    Also, I know everyone is on the Toronto could catch us train right now but I think people are forgetting their are less than 2 games of Jeff Petry left, another 10 games without Taylor Hall and the rest of the season played the majority against the West and the majority against playoff teams. This team is going nowhere in the last 20 games.

    It’s a top 4 pick.

  64. RexLibris says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Snowman,

    I didn’t see it so will reserve judgement. But if the hockey world at large can’t decide who is best among 3, 4, 5, how can they have made up their minds? Especially as much of the season is left. Weird.

    Scouting the other picks’ slots is important, no doubt. But they do need to get their top pick right.

    But in the end the question remains: why would you say this? It serves no purpose. Just say “well, I think we all kind of know who is #1, and I think we are starting to get a handle on the rest of our top five. But we’re also trying to make sure we pay attention to the rest of the list so that even if we trade the pick we’ve assigned some value to it relative to the trade market”.

    Simple. And as William Hung would say “I have no professional training”.

  65. Eustace Matthews '16 says:

    RexLibris,

    When you consistently lose on purpose at Katz’ poker parties, you develop a lot of bad habits.

  66. Snowman says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    The question was how much does he (MacT) need to watch. Not the organization in general. Its my opinion that he was talking about himself personally watching, not the scouts. I’m certain they will have people watching games but I don’t have a problem with MacT not scouting those players any further if nothing changes according to the scouts and the rest of the world. Makes good sense to me, that he spend his time trying to sort out the cloudier part of the first round.

  67. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    RexLibris,

    Ehhh, maybe when you know you’ll be out of a job in a couple of months you want to go out by promoting your talking head abilities to the media? Here’s hoping.

  68. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Snowman,

    Dunno. I didn’t see it on my feed over here. That’s why I was asking you guys what was said. I don’t know the context in this case.

  69. Captain's Log says:

    Man this team really likes to turtle up with a one goal lead

  70. Snowman says:

    RexLibris,

    I agree he doesn’t need to say it. I just have not that much problem with what he said (as I interpreted it, your interpretation may vary as they say) and that’s all I was commenting on. Not whether he should have said it or not. Just the content.

    I’m beyond caring about whether he should say what he says or not. If he never had another unscripted presser I wouldn’t be opposed to that.

  71. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Felt like the first shot by the Oilers in about 5 minutes.

  72. Snowman says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Lord knows I misread what people say all the time. Just ask my future wife. That’s how I took it. Maybe someone smarter than me will comment and they may have interpreted differently (read: correctly).

  73. sliderule says:

    Snowman,

    It didn’t come across that way at all.

    He talked about how they had to concentrate on the Pens pick and other picks in this draft.

    He said this draft was going to be very important to the oilers.

    This is all very true but why stop scouting for your most important pick..

    It was kind of like when he watched Klefbom for a few minutes and said that was all he needed to see.

    Maybe it’s just me but he does have motor mouth.

  74. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Cam Ward has a .914 SP.
    Would you rather have him at 6.3mill next year or Double Agent at 4.5Mill next season?

  75. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Man, that’s 5 out of 6 periods of total domination by the Wild. Can the Oilers hang on to steal 2 out of a possible 4 points out of it anyway?

  76. RexLibris says:

    Snowman:
    RexLibris,

    I agree he doesn’t need to say it. I just have not that much problem with what he said (as I interpreted it, your interpretation may vary as they say) and that’s all I was commenting on. Not whether he should have said it or not. Just the content.

    I’m beyond caring about whether he should say what he says or not. If he never had another unscripted presser I wouldn’t be opposed to that.

    That’s fair.

    I think as we get closer to shipping out Petry I’m just losing (loosing?) my patience with MacTavish.

    I was a huge fan of his as a player and coach. When he came in there were so many positive signs.

    Then the rubber hits the road and the next thing you know you’re upside down in a ditch with slough water filling the cabin and you look over and say “I thought you said you knew how to drive?”

  77. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Cam Ward has a .914 SP.
    Would you rather have him at 6.3mill next year or Double Agent at 4.5Mill next season?

    Do I absolutely have to choose? My preferred choice is buy out Double Agent, don’t acquire Ward.

  78. Halfwise says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Man, that’s 5 out of 6 periods of total domination by the Wild. Can the Oilers hang on to steal 2 out of a possible 4 points out of it anyway?

    Well if you have to ask the question…

  79. RexLibris says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Man, that’s 5 out of 6 periods of total domination by the Wild. Can the Oilers hang on to steal 2 out of a possible 4 points out of it anyway?

    NO.

    The Canes and Sabres had the decency to win tonight.

    For the love of…

    Just lose already!

    I want Eichel. He’ll demand to stay in college so that when they finally get around to firing the management group the new guy will get to reap the rewards of another year of ineptitude.

  80. RexLibris says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    RexLibris,

    Ehhh, maybe when you know you’ll be out of a job in a couple of months you want to go out by promoting your talking head abilities to the media? Here’s hoping.

    He’s already got that on his resume.

    HEY! That’s it. If he gets fired Duthie could have he, Eakins and a recently retired Ference on a panel together. Podcast it and watch the memes roll in.

  81. Lowetide says:

    Brandon Davidson and Jason Williams scored in reg, Barons off to OT.

  82. Snowman says:

    sliderule,

    I’m not saying your wrong in how you interpreted it. He does talk when he probably shouldn’t. Matt Henderson wrote an excellent article on it. That’s just not how I interpreted that particular comment.

    The Oilers know their top 5 draft order (imo) and I don’t disagree with it. So unless something major changes with the rankings, I have no problem with him scouting the pitts pick more. I don’t think the Oilers have Marner in the top 4 due to size and position.

  83. Klima's_Bucket says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: Do I absolutely have to choose? My preferred choice is buy out Double Agent, don’t acquire Ward.

    You must have 1 or the other next season. Who’s it going to be?

  84. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    RexLibris: That’s fair.

    I think as we get closer to shipping out Petry I’m just losing (loosing?) my patience with MacTavish.

    I was a huge fan of his as a player and coach. When he came in there were so many positive signs.

    Then the rubber hits the road and the next thing you know you’re upside down in a ditch with slough water filling the cabin and you look over and say “I thought you said you knew how to drive?”

    A few weeks ago I talked about MacTavish’s hamartia being this blind spot he has (doesn’t make mistakes, likes to talk himself into things). Matt Henderson summarized it much better than I did, but there’s so little credibility left based on the resume so far that it’s very, very hard to believe he will figure it out in time before this critical summer for the franchise is upon us.

    He should have apprenticed as an Assistant GM somewhere. This year’s difficulties aside in Dallas, how would we feel if we had Nill/MacT as a combo instead of MacT/Howson?

  85. G Money says:

    The Oilers’ inability to make simple plays to retrieve the puck, and then exit the zone is just beyond belief.

    Over and over, just catastrophic fail after catastrophic fail.

    Turns simple one-and-done plays into a two minute long cycle with multiple chances against.

    Half the Corgi barks are self-inflicted.

    Does ANYONE have an explanation?

  86. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: You must have 1 or the other next season. Who’s it going to be?

    Gun to head, that means Nikitin’s 1.5M cap hit for a buy out and 6.3M for Ward right? $7.8M for a goalie vs. $4.5M for an injury-prone #6 but $3.3M in space to get a Sobotka or someone?

    In a vacuum Ward for the one year. But if that cap space means we can add a Soderberg or Sobtoka too ( Sobotka + Nikitin vs. just Ward) I prefer using Nikitin as a #6/7 and adding a capable veteran C.

  87. Captain's Log says:

    Ugh this team depresses me. They have just no backbone. Every single player is playing passive right now.

  88. RexLibris says:

    Huh, I don’t remember ever seeing it rain inside Rexall…

    http://imgur.com/gallery/DdfPbja

  89. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    G Money:
    The Oilers’ inability to make simple plays to retrieve the puck, and then exit the zone is just beyond belief.

    Over and over, just catastrophic fail after catastrophic fail.

    Turns simple one-and-done plays into a two minute long cycle with multiple chances against.

    Half the Corgi barks are self-inflicted.

    Does ANYONE have an explanation?

    Tonight’s lineup, 9 years out of the playoffs, is like an expansion + 1 year team.

    That’s my explanation.

    Honestly, without Hall, Yak (and now Lander), what do the Oilers have tonight?

    1 first overall pick, a whole bunch of guys who would go unprotected in an expansion draft, some career backup goalies, a couple of middle of the pack free agents on overpays, and a handful or promising but green young players with less than 200 games’ experience in the NHL.

  90. Lowetide says:

    No one say anything….

  91. Halfwise says:

    I’m watching on a grainy feed but it sure looked like a lot of clumsy shots at the Wild’s EN there.

  92. RexLibris says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: how would we feel if we had Nill/MacT as a combo instead of MacT/Howson?

    I…

    I’m sorry, I don’t even understand the question.

    It’s like you’re asking me how much better my life would be if I were given the power to command an army of winged simians.

    Get outta here with yer crazy sci-fi thinkin’!

  93. Lowetide says:

    Oilers win. Lordy. Scrivens Dubey’d the Wild.

  94. G Money says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Yeah, you can’t forget how lousy the roster is tonight.

    But even actual NHLers e.g. Petry, Gordon have been part of the silliness.

  95. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    The Oilers’ inability to make simple plays to retrieve the puck, and then exit the zone is just beyond belief.

    Over and over, just catastrophic fail after catastrophic fail.

    Turns simple one-and-done plays into a two minute long cycle with multiple chances against.

    Half the Corgi barks are self-inflicted.

    Does ANYONE have an explanation?

    AHL players?

  96. godot10 says:

    Nill (like Armstrong before him) would never agree to work for Kevin Lowe.

  97. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers win. Lordy. Scrivens Dubey’d the Wild.

    Yup, one guy showed up tonight. This team has so, so far to go next year to be competitive on a consistent basis.

  98. Halfwise says:

    What just happened there? Despite all odds…

    Scrivens SV% got some rehab and the Oil get 2 pts. Wow.

  99. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Oilers could pass fast-fading and about to sell-off more assets Arizona for 28th as soon as the next game. After that it gets a little hairy. Carolina won tonight and I still think if you look at them, they’re going to wind up at 75pts or so. Toronto still looks awful. Probably down to Edmonton vs. Toronto for 27th/28th.

  100. Lowetide says:

    18-34-10 now, they’ll catch Arizona soon. Now 11-12-3 under Nelson.

  101. jake70 says:

    G Money:
    The Oilers’ inability to make simple plays to retrieve the puck, and then exit the zone is just beyond belief.

    Over and over, just catastrophic fail after catastrophic fail.

    Turns simple one-and-done plays into a two minute long cycle with multiple chances against.

    Half the Corgi barks are self-inflicted.

    Does ANYONE have an explanation?

    Let me tell you a little story, it was June 21st, 2006 and………………

  102. Showerhead says:

    Lowetide:
    18-34-10 now, they’ll catch Arizona soon. Now 11-12-3 under Nelson.

    Ugh. I am all for the winning but I wish Arizona would find it in themselves to feel the same way. Lots of wins AND a good draft pick – would that be too much to ask?

  103. Showerhead says:

    jake70: Let me tell you a little story, it was June 21st, 2006 and………………

    The blight started on Monday, June 19. Is there a June 21st specific event I’m forgetting?

  104. Lowetide says:

    Showerhead: Ugh. I am all for the winning but I wish Arizona would find it in themselves to feel the same way. Lots of wins AND a good draft pick – would that be too much to ask?

    Maloney saw this from far enough back and he’s got Mike Smith playing the hero.

  105. Snowman says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    How many games do you think the Oilers will win after Petry is dealt out of curiousity? Maybe I have become much more jaded about the Oilers ability to win games than I should have been but I don’t see them winning more than 6 or 7 games the of the last 20 in the very best case.

  106. Halfwise says:

    Showerhead: The blight started on Monday, June 19. Is there a June 21st specific event I’m forgetting?

    When did Pronger say he was gone? It was just a couple of days after game 7.

  107. rickithebear says:

    G Money:
    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Yeah, you can’t forget how lousy the roster is tonight.

    But even actual NHLers e.g. Petry, Gordon have been part of the silliness.

    Successful forward pairs under Krueger and Nelson

    Hall-XXX-Yak 5.58 GF 0.00 GA Krueger
    Hall-RNH -XXX 3.08 GF 2.46 GA krueger
    Pouliot-XXX-Eberle 2.88 GHF 2.52 GA Nelson
    Pouliot-Roy – XXX 2.14 GF 1.07 GA Nelson
    Pouliot-XXX-Purcell 2.49 GF 1.22 GA Nelson
    XXX-Lander-Frtaser 2.38 GF 1.90 GA Nelson
    XXX-Gordon-Hendricks Nelson

    How many were possible!

  108. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Halfwise: When did Pronger say he was gone? It was just a couple of days after game 7.

    Several months before that.

  109. tsg says:

    I’m very curious as to what the Oilers record is with and without Martin Marincin over the past two years.

  110. Halfwise says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Several months before that.

    Wikipedia says June 23 2006. Sounds about right.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Pronger

  111. Showerhead says:

    Halfwise: Wikipedia says June 23 2006. Sounds about right.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Pronger

    Oh. See I live in a fantasy land where a win that night would have fixed everything. I don’t know how your guys’ fantasy lands look but mine has a win that night, cheap whiskey, and Scarlett Johansson.

    But yeah. I think that date is officially right, but supposedly Pronger quietly told management partway through the season so DSF also has a title there.

  112. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Halfwise,

    Pronger’s wife left in November.

    I used to live next door.

  113. Showerhead says:

    Lowetide: Maloney saw this from far enough back and he’s got Mike Smith playing the hero.

    And to think, MacTavish the genius thought he had it won by giving him that elite performing Dubnyk fellow. Tank battles are hard.

    Edit: Hmm. MacT didn’t give them Dubnyk directly. But because I can’t think of anything else to say I’m going to have to allow this.

  114. Halfwise says:

    Well, a win that night would have made the past 8 years less discouraging, especially when talking to Flames fans. But no, the Fates had other plans.

    Gotta wonder which Goddess we pissed off and when her pissedoffedness ends vis a vis this team.

  115. Halfwise says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    I believe you. She was from a different realm, I’m told.

    As a season ticket holder and member of the general public, the news that week was a total surprise to me, shock denial anger, the whole stages of loss thing.

  116. Numenius says:

    Outside of a few mistakes, I saw Marincin good that game.

    It was great to see him out at the end holding the lead with Fayne. They were the top 2 C+/- defencemen too (Fayne -1 and Marincin -3, in a -22 C+/- game) and played some tough minutes.

    I was down on Schultz in the 2nd when he was responsible for some soft plays that prevented the puck from getting out, a feeling confirmed by his C+/- (-15), which was the lowest on the team, even lower than Ference at -10. But I also saw some compete in him in the 3rd.

    Edit: And Petry at -6 was next highest after Marincin. Somehow he left his partner in the dust. It looks like Ference and Schultz may have gotten caught on at the same time. Yikes. That’d explain their lower C+/- compared to their partners.

  117. Pouzar says:

    Showerhead: The blight started on Monday, June 19. Is there a June 21st specific event I’m forgetting?

    It was June 19th. Losing game 7 on yer birthday sux moose ****

  118. Pouzar says:

    Numenius:
    Outside of a few mistakes, I saw Marincin good that game.

    It was great to see him out at the end holding the lead with Fayne. They were the top 2 C+/- defencemen too (Fayne -1 and Marincin -3, in a -22 C+/- game) and played some tough minutes.

    I was down on Schultz in the 2nd when he was responsible for some soft plays that prevented the puck from getting out, a feeling confirmed by his C+/- (-15), which was the lowest on the team, even lower than Ference at -10. But I also saw some compete in him in the 3rd.

    And Captain goes from +10 against Ducks to -10 against Wild….Westerly could be a miracle worker!

  119. Hammers says:

    So Scrivens won us a game . Does he just look different to me these last few games or is he more square to the puck with better side to side movement . Anybody else seeing this or maybe wishfull thinking on my part .

  120. Numenius says:

    Showerhead: Ugh. I am all for the winning but I wish Arizona would find it in themselves to feel the same way. Lots of wins AND a good draft pick – would that be too much to ask?

    I think it’ll be close in the end. Arizona still has two games to play against Buffalo.

    At least Arco’s doing his part for the Oil, scoring today.

  121. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Numenius,

    Arizona is likely to dump Vermette, Erat, Michalek, Hanzal and, perhaps, Yandle by next Monday.

    They’re all in.

  122. Numenius says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Oh yes, of course. Thanks.

    In the case that the Oil are 3rd, then, rather than 2nd, I’m seeing that the chances of at least getting Hanifan (or better) is 45%. That’s if they either win the lottery (11.5%) and take McDavid or stay at 3rd (33.5%) and take Hanifan.

    So here’s a question. If they’re bumped to 4th (55% chance), which would mean that Arizona picks 3rd, would they still likely get Hanifin? In other words, would Arizona pick Marner or Strome above Hanifan?

    If so, then 3rd place guarantees at least Hanifan.

  123. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Numenius,

    Considering Arizona already has a franchise defenseman in OEL, I think they will select a forward no matter what,

    If I was a betting man (I am…just ask Woodguy who always loses to me) I would wager that Toronto wins the lottery (thanks for all that cash Rogers) and takes McDavid.

    Buffalo takes Eichel.

    Arizona takes Strome.

    And the Oilers get Hanifin.

    Short of getting either McDavid or Eichel…that’s a pretty good result for the Oilers but they will still be about two quarts shy of an Oil Change at centre.

  124. mumbai max says:

    Rangers, all the way back to ’71

    GAG Line, Villemure/Giacomin, Emile the cat, Pete Stemkowski, Brad Park. I loved them all as a kid and HATED the Habs and Bruins.

    Now I HATE the leafs, and the last 30 games or so have been heaven. It would be nice if they started winning a bit right now though!

  125. Numenius says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Who would you take at 3rd?

  126. SwedishPoster says:

    That’s how you scratch and claw yourself to a win. Didn’t mind the icing extravaganza in the second all that much. If you’re struggling in your own zone you might as well make sure you don’t give away the puck in bad spots while also interrupting the flow of the game. Ugly and unsustainable for longer periods but as a move of desperation to stay in the game I don’t mind it.
    Scrivens was good Scrivens instead of scrambly Scrivens, Fayne and Marincin did a good job as a defensive pairing, the first line was good, the rest of the forward lines hung on for dear life, only Roy and Pak outside of the first line showed any kind of offensive life.
    A win is a win. This team will likely not get McEichel unless Arizone somehow turns things around. And I’m fine with that.

  127. Heinz 57 says:

    My grandfather had one of these: Munro hockey game of the 1940’s & 50’s

    We played with a metal marble.

    The goalie peg (wooden) just tilts from side to side.

    There was at least one guy where if he got clean possession, he could cradle the marble and then pick his side with a bullet.

    Apart from cradling the one-timer, the game was completely manic.

    Sometimes a slow-moving marble would come to rest on your goalie. He could only push the marble to the sides, but with some skill you could run a set play to promote the marble (under control) to your one-timer guy.

    You only had two controls in play: your goalie flopped from side to side, and all your “skaters” turned at the same time when you pulled your metal draw bar.

    We all loved that thing, but we only ever played it at the grandparents, during our two or three annual visits. Always had the table on the floor in a thick shag carpet which helped to keep it anchored. As grandpa got older, this also served as refuge from “grandpa hot”. I’m sure he kept the place at 80°F though the coldest stretch of winter. During a really cold stretch, the indoor temperature possibly rose to 85°F.

    His parents moved to Calgary in 1905 (pop. 12,000) and then homesteaded on the Battle River on the edge of Palliser’s Triangle. They were one of the first into the area. Started out in a white army tent, improving the land in the summer then moving back to the city during the winter months, where great-grandpa worked as a carpenter. My dad says they didn’t get the best plot. Half their quarter section was swampish with alkaline soil, but otherwise the soil was amazing until the depression / dust bowl.

    I think it was all the quality time that my grandfather spent as a child on the homestead in the small wooden out-building pinched between frigid snowdrifts that contributed to “grandpa hot” in his retirement years.

  128. RicaGreaser says:

    jake70:
    Edit:Then the little mechanism at the base of net would break, the puck would drop to floor, roll under the &^%$ fridge.Miserable memories..miserable….lol (kidding).

    I worked in the Corkscrew restaurant on 97th street and 132nd ave during high school (at the start of The Golden Age). We would drop at least a quarter of our tips in the domed Chexx Bubble Hockey rig down in the bar.
    The best thing about it compared to the one at home was the inability to lose the pucks under the fridge…

  129. lance says:

    Couple things. I caught the last half of the game and if ever there was an undeserved two points, those were probably them. I’ve seen better passing at the outdoor rink. I think this group is still years away from getting real money out of me.

    I never had a table hockey game growing up, played a few at friends places, so I bought one for my boy when he was six. It didn’t have the magic and didn’t get the miles. It only came with one puck too, which was stupid.

    Finally, if you want to experience a genuine “get off my lawn” moment, this may work:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PamyInKGPnU

    New Orleans Bounce. its was streaming off many floats during the last parades on Tuesday. This is actually real.

  130. Pouzar says:

    Nice Grade from Bruce for MM….I wonder if MacT is paying attention.

  131. frjohnk says:

    Sounds like Patrick Kane is out 4 to 10 weeks

    http://www.tsn.ca/video/kane-to-miss-significant-time-with-upper-body-injury-1.215615

    Interesting to see what they do as this is the year they gotta go for it.

  132. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar:
    Nice Grade from Bruce for MM….I wonder if MacT is paying attention.

    He make a great play at the end of the game by holding the puck in the corner eating seconds off of the clock.

    That’s what a veteran would do.

  133. stevezie says:

    frjohnk,

    Sounds like somone needs Teddy Purcel.

    Dashingsilverfox:
    Numenius,

    Arizona is likely to dump Vermette, Erat, Michalek, Hanzal and, perhaps, Yandle by next Monday.

    They’re all in.

    I’ve wanted Hanzal for a long time and nothing is changed. I’d trade Pitts’ first for him (no idea if it would be enough, but I’d be happy to add), which would free the team up to either take Hanafin or leave Strome and Draisatl in a development league a little longer. I think Hanzal compliments Nuge quite well, brings everything (size, physicality, defensive acumen and offensive proficiency) this team needs in a 2nd line C.

    The only downside I see if it kills our chances of finishing last, which I don’t see happening anyway. He costs us Eichel, not McD. That’s a shame, but do you really want to count on tanking and the lottery going our way? Plus we’re obviously losing Petry which should balance it. Plus I bet we would get a deal from PHX because trading him to us would help them in the Tank Wars. Plus he’s so hot right now.

    I’ve convinced myself. let’s do it.

  134. frjohnk says:

    stevezie:
    frjohnk,

    Sounds like somone needs Teddy Purcel.

    I’ve wanted Hanzal for a long time and nothing is changed. I’d trade Pitts’ first for him (no idea if it would be enough, but I’d be happy to add), which would free the team up to either take Hanafin or leave Strome and Draisatl in a development league a little longer. I think Hanzal compliments Nuge quite well, brings everything (size, physicality, defensive acumen and offensive proficiency) this team needs in a 2nd line C.

    The only downside I see if it kills our chances of finishing last, which I don’t see happening anyway. He costs us Eichel, not McD. That’s a shame, but do you really want to count on tanking and the lottery going our way? Plus we’re obviously losing Petry which should balance it. Plus I bet we would get a deal from PHX because trading him to us would help them in the Tank Wars. Plus he’s so hot right now.

    I’ve convinced myself. let’s do it.

    They don’t have room cap room for Purcell, this year or next. They would definitely look for a rental forward.

    Maybe Jagr?

    Hanzel is done for the year. Its his back. They figure he should be ready for training camp.

    I really like the player, for the reasons you mention, but I don’t like the injury. Young players with bad backs are iffy.

    EDIT: I should have said that because Kane is now out for awhile, they have lots of cap room for this year. So they could get a couple of good UFA’s this deadline and go for it. They would not be looking at overpaid players with term like Purcell. They need value contracts at near 1M for next year.

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