KINGS AT OILERS, G64 2014-15

The deadline passing means a few things, including watching the overundersidewaysdown standings closely—the Oilers are going to have to bring the suck every night to finish No. 29 or No. 30—and the recalls to the show.

THE HUNGER GAMES

  • MacT: “The guys I’d like to give a chance to, we hope we can. We hope we get an opportunity to see Brandon Davidson again. He played very well the last time he was up here in San Jose, so he’s got lots of promise. I’d like to see Andrew Miller come up here and see what he can do, he’s been a good player down there. Curtis Hamilton, I’d like to give an opportunity to, Bogdan Yakimov and all those guys. The goalie Laurent Brossoit has played very well and we’d like to see him come up and hopefully give him a game pretty soon. As disappointing as it is to be selling it this time of year, I’m looking forward to the end of the year where I couldn’t say that last year.” Source

Let’s have a look at these young men one at a time:

  • Brandon Davidson: He has a shot at an NHL career in a Scott Ferguson kind of way. I’d say there’s a significant chance he’s an Oiler No. 7D in 15-16. There’s nothing outstanding about him but he’ll be an inexpensive role player who can play in a limited role.
  • Andrew Miller: Diminutive forward with good speed and increasing offense in the AHL. I think he’s probably a lower-case Arcobello but you can never be sure. One thing that is true: he spiked offensively in his senior college season and in his second year pro.
  • Curtis Hamilton: The thing about Hamilton is that he has a range of skills and we should never, ever underestimate it. That’s the tree that Pisani’s come from and these fellows often take time to show themselves. Habs used to have these men all the time, guys like Chuck Lefley who could skate and check (Lefley had a monster shot, Hamilton’s is sneaky-quick).
  • Bogdan Yakimov: Russian giant can play center and he looked exceptional early in training camp. He’s probably two years away from helping but honestly the preview of coming attractions was pretty impressive.
  • Laurent Brossoit: He is playing well, posted a good number this season. He’s not ready but teams often call up a goalie for one game in these early years.

 NAILED IT!

  • MacT: “I see it to continue to evolve the way that it has. We all see the promise now that we had when we drafted him. I had zero interest in trading Nail Yakupov. I think we’ve gone this far, we’ve got to see the end now. It has been some ups and downs, some sideways play and some head-scratching stuff and he’s on top of his game now. He shows all the assets that we saw when we drafted him: the speed, the physical power, the shot, he’s making good plays with the puck and who knows what unlatches all that for him, but he’s really figured it out. He’s playing with confidence, he’s a hardworking guy and we’ve got to see how it finishes. I’ve have no question that Yak is going to continue to develop and he’s got a reference point of what he needs to do now because he’s hit a new level. I’m as curious as anybody to see where that level goes because I think it’s sky high.” Source

This is the correct call, no doubt in my mind. I’m not certain Derek Roy is the right guy but 2C is a hole for 2015-16 so yeah, consider signing him. Despite getting fed at evens, there’s chemistry between Yakupov and Roy and if a player like Benoit Pouliot is the other winger, maybe they can get things done.

Anton Slepyshev is a going concern and should be the first name signed this spring among the graduates from junior, college and Europe. Looking at the group that needs to be signed, you could make a case for each of them. Will they all get signed?

NHLE’S

  • Joey Laleggia 82GP, 13-26-39
  • Kyle Platzer 82GP, 12-19-31
  • Anton Slepyshev 82GP, 17-11-28
  • Marco Roy 82GP, 11-9-20
  • Jackson Houck 82GP, 9-11-20
  • Ben Betker 82GP, 2-10-12

That’s some nice crooked numbers, ladies. Darnell Nurse, Leon Draisaitl and Greg Chase will be turning pro so it’s no guarantee all of these men get Oilers contracts. NINE new pro’s? Plus possibly O’Connor the college goalie? AND the lottery pick. Too many by several, I’d say. Choosing is going to be the issue. One thing that may come to pass in the next 24 months: Three drafted Russian forwards (Yak, Yak 2, Slepyshev) on the NHL roster. The times they are a-changin’.

 PROJECTED OILERS ROSTER 2015-16

LEFT WING CENTER RIGHT WING
TAYLOR HALL RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS JORDAN EBERLE
BENOIT POULIOT   NAIL YAKUPOV (rfa)
  ANTON LANDER (rfa) TEDDY PURCELL
MATT HENDRICKS BOYD GORDON ROB KLINKHAMMER
LUKE GAZDIC   TYLER PITLICK (rfa)
 
LEFT DEFENSE RIGHT DEFENSE
OSCAR KLEFBOM JUSTIN SCHULTZ (rfa)
ANDREW FERENCE NIKI NIKITIN
  MARK FAYNE
KEITH AULIE (rfa) MARTIN MARINCIN (rfa)
  GOALIE  
  BEN SCRIVENS  
     

The forwards look good from here, especially if they can find a 2C and a LW for Lander. The defense is two players away (Klefbom—Schultz can probably be successful against the soft parade, I’m fine with Fayne as an option and Marincin is a reasonable bet) but MacT doesn’t like the kid from Kosice. So by my count, that’s one defender they have evaluated incorrectly from the prospect group, two free-agent additions (Ference, Nikitin) who are miscast and one hole for a 56-minute a night ball buster who does in fact not exist.

POSSIBLE CONDORS 2015-16

LEFT WING CENTER RIGHT WING
RYAN HAMILTON LEON DRAISAITL ANDREW MILLER (rfa)
MATT FRASER BOGDAN YAKIMOV IIRO PAKARINEN
CURTIS HAMILTON (rfa) JUJHAR KHAIRA GREG CHASE
KALE KESSY TRAVIS EWANYK JACKSON HOUCK
MITCH MOROZ KELLEN LAIN (rfa) CONNOR JONES
ANTON SLEPYSHEV KYLE PLATZER
JOSH WINQUIST MARCO ROY
  KELLEN JONES
LEFT DEFENSE RIGHT DEFENSE
JORDAN OESTERLE BRANDON DAVIDSON (rfa)
BRAD HUNT (rfa) DILLON SIMPSON
DARNELL NURSE MARTIN GERNAT
DAVID MUSIL JOEY LALEGGIA
BEN BETKER  
  GOALIE  
  LAURENT BROSSOIT  
  FRANS TUOHIMAA (rfa)  
  TYLER BUNZ (rfa)  

I’ve thrown most of the names up (20 NHL, 32 AHL plus O’Connor and the lottery pick) so there’s a cull coming. If I’m a betting man, all of Tuohimaa, Bunz, Martin Gernat and Kellen Lain don’t return. I’ll also bet that the Jones boys and Winquist don’t get NHL contracts. That puts the list at 45 before O’Connor and the lottery man. Of course, we’ll see additions and subtractions everywhere but suspect we can agree that four targets (1G, LH D, 2C, scoring LW) will be on the summer menu.

TARGETS FOR ADDITION

  • Goal: Antti Niemi is the obvious choice, suspect MacT goes hard after the Shark with the other Antti (Raanta) and Michal Neuvirth are also possible. Matt  O’Connor is a college option and MacKenzie Blackwood is a reasonable draft bet. Anything else? I wouldn’t count the Oilers out on the Euro front, getting the next Fasth/Raanta might be a wise move. Expect Scrivens and Brossoit back from this year’s goalies and that’s absolutely it.
  • Defense: Christian Ehrhoff is probably the best LH option—if not, the answer is Andrej Sekera. Righties include Johnny Boychuk and Cody Franson among free agents. Jeff Petry would be my choice among the RH men. We should absolutely expect a European addition to follow Belov and Grebeshkov.
  • Center: Derek Roy appears to have this in the bag. Other candidates include Antoine Vermette and Jarret Stoll, who would be an interesting addition. It’s also extremely possible the 2C is McEichel.
  • Left Wing: Sean Bergenheim is out there and Curtis Glencross will be as well. Oilers have an internal long-shot candidate for scoring winger in Anton Slepyshev.
  • Right Wing: Not really an area of need but Matty will head the Drew Stafford marching and chowder society parade now that he’s going UFA.

 LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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A rocking show this morning, TSN1260. Get your ears on and don’t miss a minute:

  • Jonathan Willis, Oilers Nation and Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. We’ll talk about the Petry deal, the blue for 2015-16 and the next GM in Edmonton.
  • Travis Yost, TSN Analytics. We’ll examine the real cost of the Petry trade relative to the Hall and Nuge contracts. How severe is it?
  • Dennis King, Oilogosphere Icon. We’ll, well, it’ll be something.
  • Neal Livingston, Tend The Farm. The voice of calm reason wraps up our guest list, we’ll talk about the incoming kids and what to look for down the stretch from the prospects—here and in Oklahoma City.

10-1260 text @Lowetide_ on twitter. There may be nothing left by noon!

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  1. frjohnk says:

    Captain’s Log: I’m really getting a little tired of the overuse of advanced stats here

    The crocheting blog is just down the road if you prefer. No advanced stats there.

  2. RexLibris says:

    SVR:
    Buffalo and Arizona both losing. This isnt going to be easy. But the Oilers look determined

    Toronto won, though, so there’s that.

    Edmonton is finishing 28th or 27th.

    The choice will come down to one of Marner, Strome or Hanifin, barring them winning the lottery.

  3. RexLibris says:

    frjohnk: The crocheting blog is just down the road if you prefer.No advanced stats there.

    Shows what you know.

    Knit/60 is the trend right now and PurlEvens/AgainstWeft is just starting to take hold as the superior data source.

  4. frjohnk says:

    RexLibris: Toronto won, though, so there’s that.

    Edmonton is finishing 28th or 27th.

    The choice will come down to one of Marner, Strome or Hanifin, barring them winning the lottery.

    Those 3 would challenge for number 1 in many of the other previous drafts

  5. G Money says:

    RexLibris: Edmonton is finishing 28th or 27th.

    WG predicted that without Petry, the Oilers probably don’t win another game all season.

    An exaggeration perhaps, but when it comes to playing shitty hockey – never count the Oilers out!

  6. G Money says:

    I’m just hoping the Oilers break into the double digits for shots in the game.

    Moral victory!

  7. Ryan says:

    RexLibris:
    Is it a coincidence that Maloney has loaded up on ex-Oilers in his effort to reach last place and get the best chance to secure Connor McDavid?

    Is he trolling the Edmonton Oilers?

    And if you’re Sam Gagner playing out the string watching your team deliberately lose games in order to draft 1st overall do you not at some point give your head a shake and say “am I doomed to play out my career on terrible teams aiming for the lottery?”

    Funny thing. Which line is better:

    Purcell–Roy–yak

    Or

    Reider-Arcobello-Gagner.

    ?

  8. frjohnk says:

    G Money:
    I’m just hoping the Oilers break into the double digits for shots.

    Moral victory!

    With Nelson the Oilers have shown the can bounce back after a bad period.

    Maybe they dont get blown out tonight.

    Here is hoping.

    EDIT: And maybe not.

  9. SVR says:

    Have to feel for the tier 1 fans. There money has been stolen. No returns. No refunds. Does Katz even care that he is basically robbing these folks?

  10. G Money says:

    frjohnk,

    I’m thinking not.

  11. Kitchener says:

    G Money:
    I’m just hoping the Oilers break into the double digits for shots in the game.

    Moral victory!

    If Nelson can somehow keep morale from drowning through 82 I’ll be amazed.

  12. SVR says:

    Piss poor play, but man I wish we had Fuhr in there

  13. Ryan says:

    Score:

    Oilers: 7
    Kings: 3

    Too bad it’s shots vs goals.

  14. Rocknrolla says:

    Does anyone ever recall seeing them play the last portion of a period after an intermission like that? Can’t say I have ever seen that? Was it a major glass repair?

  15. G Money says:

    Kitchener,

    In fairness, the full roster is probably at best a 20th place roster.

    Now it’s missing Hall, Petry, and Lander … which splits the Gordon-Hendricks-Klink line and gives Gazdic a regular shift, and Ference masses of ice time …

    Call it a victory if he can keep the team from bursting into tears before every game!

  16. Zack says:

    “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” – Albert Einstein

    If MacTavish still feels confident with this blue line after the season…

  17. Bag of Pucks says:

    Re: The state of the Oilers’ defense (Nikitin, Ference, Schultz, Petry).

    MacT has stubbornly refused to admit his mistakes with each of these players, and theirein lies the reason this team is historically inept.

    It’s one thing to make mistakes acquiring players who ultimately fail to meet expectations. Bad teams do this all the time.

    It’s quite another to refuse to admit your errors and thus extend the duration of their negative impact.

    We talk a lot about who/what MacT needs to acquire for this team to be better. Equal attention needs to be paid to who needs to be culled.

    Our fellow cellar residents culled their rosters in a big way over the last week. Their motivation is equal parts tanking AND cutting out the deadwood.

    If MacTavish enters next season with much of his deadwood D intact, we move from questioning his competency to questioning his sanity.

  18. G Money says:

    Bag of Pucks: If MacTavish enters next season with much of his deadwood D intact, we move from questioning his competency to questioning his sanity.

    MacT insane?

    We’re Oiler fans.

    Takes one to know one.

  19. RexLibris says:

    G Money: WG predicted that without Petry, the Oilers probably don’t win another game all season.

    An exaggeration perhaps, but when it comes to playing shitty hockey – never count the Oilers out!

    That was also before Buffalo declared their starting goalie for the remainder of the season to be a shooter tutor and Maloney let the air out of his roster’s tires with a machete.

    I’ll never underestimate the Oilers’ ability to drive the team to the bottom, but Maloney and Murray have had all season to contemplate their moves.

    If they lose one of Gordon or Nugent-Hopkins then we’ll see, but they are due to get Hall back eventually and that is going to change things, if even only marginally.

  20. G Money says:

    Ryan:
    Score:

    Oilers: 7
    Kings: 3

    Too bad it’s shots vs goals.

    Yes, let me revise my definition of moral victory:

    The Oilers hit double digits in shots AND keep the Kings in single digits in goals.

  21. Bag of Pucks says:

    SVR:
    Have to feel for the tier 1 fans. There money has been stolen. No returns. No refunds. Does Katz even care that he is basically robbing these folks?

    He’s a drug peddler. Depression is good for business.

  22. Bag of Pucks says:

    G Money: MacT insane?

    We’re Oiler fans.

    Takes one to know one.

    I blame the 80’s.

  23. 8p0intgame says:

    RexLibris,

    Now that you mention it… I would be very happy if Arizona won the draft lottery and Don Maloney gave a speech thanking the Edmonton Oilers for their “success.” So very happy.

  24. G Money says:

    RexLibris: That was also before Buffalo declared their starting goalie for the remainder of the season to be a shooter tutor and Maloney let the air out of his roster’s tires with a machete.
    I’ll never underestimate the Oilers’ ability to drive the team to the bottom, but Maloney and Murray have had all season to contemplate their moves.

    Very true, the level of suck tankage (or is it tank suckage) from both teams is breathtaking.

    However, those two teams play each other twice more, while the Oilers play only real teams for the rest of the season.

    When trying to discern the edge in such masterful levels of awful, those games could make the difference.

    Especially if both teams do their best to lose and as a result end up with Bettman points both times, allowing the Oilers to win the McEichel sweepstakes by one point. That would be oh so awesome.

  25. godot10 says:

    The definition of spinning wheels in the muck and digging in deeper…TWO WASTED YEARS

    Then —> Now (MacT’s Handiwork)

    Taylor Hall –> Taylor Hall
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins –> Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
    Jordan Eberle –> Jordan Eberle

    XXX –> Benoit Pouliot
    Sam Gagner –> Derek Roy (basically the same player)
    Nail Yakupov –> Nail Yakupov

    Shawn Horcoff –> Matt Hendricks
    Boyd Gordon –> Boyd Gordon
    Ales Hemsky –> Rob Klinkhammer

    Magnus Paajarvi –> Teddy Purcell
    Anton Lander –> Anton Lander
    Teemu Hartikainen –> Iro Pakarenin

    Andrew Ference –> Andrew Ference
    Justin Schultz –> Justin Schultz
    Ladislav Smid –> Mark Fayne
    Anton Belov –> Nikita Nikitin
    Jeff Petry –> Jordan Oesterle
    Nick Schultz –> Keith Aulie
    Martin Marincin –> Martin Marincin
    Oscar Klefbom –> Oscar Klefbom

    Ralph Krueger –> Dallas Eakins –> Craig MacTavish –> Todd Nelson

  26. haters says:

    So 10 mins into the second and I feel trapped … The most exciting part of the game so far is the pull start wave that took about 30 try’s to get going .

    Ferance needs to find a new line of work.

    Roy not the answer

    But neither is half the team ..

  27. G Money says:

    Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!?

  28. RexLibris says:

    haters:
    So 10 mins into the second and I feel trapped … The most exciting part of the game so far is the pull start wave that took about 30 try’s to get going .

    Ferance needs to find a new line of work.

    Roy not the answer

    But neither is half the team ..

    Look on the bright side.

    Sitting through 60 minutes of game play tonight ought to get you out of at least two centuries of purgatory.

  29. VanOil says:

    Great Gadzooks is on the team next year. Richard trophy potential.

  30. G Money says:

    The glass didn’t fall, it was so shocked at Gazdic scoring, it fainted.

  31. jp says:

    G Money:
    Yak the only dangerous Oiler out there.

    Ference and Gazdic visibly worse than any other players on the ice, on either team.

    I feel like Ference’s only play is a Happy Gilmore like swipe at the puck. Every time.

    Lol, and Gadzooks scores.

  32. Kitchener says:

    Proof of progress in the rebuild: the crowd at LT.ca are legitimately concerned that the Oil aren’t bad enough to finish 28th.

  33. TemujinBC says:

    This game has gone so terribly compared to the Oilers/Kings game I had the pleasure of watching live just before New Years. David Perron scored the SO winner in that one.

    Any chance of a Klinkhammer SO winner tonight?

    Clap Clap!

  34. RexLibris says:

    G Money:
    Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!?

    Oesterle.

    He obviously didn’t get MacTavish’s memo.

    OR

    MacTavish will go on air tomorrow and say that Oesterle’s development was the reason they felt confident they could move Petry.

    Because, you know, no lie is as good as an old lie.

  35. G Money says:

    Things I’d love to see:

    Gazdic (Ference, Aulie)

  36. SVR says:

    Gazdic. ? You know what they say, 2 goal lead is the worst lead in hockey.

  37. RexLibris says:

    TSN.ca is crediting Oesterle with the goal.

    I’m not really watching the game. Figured I’d do more constructive things with my time like debate climate change with millenial dispensationalists.

    *edit – goal has been amended online. The Great Gadzook with the goal. Don Cherry raises his glass in celebration.

  38. G Money says:

    The Oilers must be trying to adopt the Flames strategy:

    1. Get badly outplayed
    2. Give up big lead
    3. Lull other team to sleep
    4. Win!

  39. Woodguy says:

    Captain’s Log: I’m really getting a little tired of the overuse of advanced stats here. We don’t need Corsi (which is best used over a huge number of samples) to tell us that the Oilers were dominated in that period.

    I’m really getting a little tired of these long lines at Costco!

    And I’m tired of bad food at McDonald’s too!

  40. G Money says:

    RexLibris: MacTavish will go on air tomorrow and say that Oesterle’s development was the reason they felt confident they could move Petry.

    You know that’s already on the way to being an indisputable MacTruth.

  41. Lowetide says:

    Ben Scrivens has to stop doing that punch move with his chest because it works like dynamite.

  42. SVR says:

    SVR:
    Gazdic. ? You know what they say, 2 goal lead is the worst lead in hockey.

    Kings fixed that

  43. Pouzar says:

    Hendricks was a lot of suck on that whole shift

  44. G Money says:

    jp: I feel like Ference’s only play is a Happy Gilmore like swipe at the puck. Every time.

    I’ve always been a bit nervous about the nickname thecaptainandrewference.

    “Happy” has a nice ring to it.

  45. G Money says:

    Marincin making some nice plays there for a guy that doesn’t exist.

  46. VanOil says:

    Individually Ference and Jultz are just about worthy of a bottom pairing role in the NHL. Together they are just about worthy of being a bottom pairing in a beer league.

  47. Zangetsu says:

    It will be a dog fight for last. Ignoring the lotto, we will be top 3. Nine points in 18 games after tonight to catch Carolina. GFL. Buffalo is horrid, and arizona is trying to be worse, so we probably finish 28th. Best thing now is probably to push for 27th, and not quite make it. Optimism near the end of the season has never done anything before, but this team needs something.

  48. Zangetsu says:

    G Money,

    Management, despite being so easy to read, is hard to read. Would not have predicted that 6ft4 dman with poise who can’t score would be lower on the list than a 5ft9 dman who is choas incarnate, and can’t score.

  49. GCW_69 says:

    G Money:
    Marincin making some nice plays there for a guy that doesn’t exist.

    .
    Made me chuckle. Thanks.

  50. SVR says:

    Serious question

    could tjis line up beat the Barons? Id guess it might be close

  51. haters says:

    So back to my earlier question
    If Marniner, Bennet, and Strome are alone in this years draft which order are they taken ?

  52. 8p0intgame says:

    I think MacTavish may be handicapped by the fans too.

    The city begins to riot the moment Taylor Hall’s name appears as part of trade rumor on Twitter.

    It must be hard too improve your hockey team when the fans are outraged by the mere suggestion of a big trade.

    No GM is going to be able to turn Purcell into a first pairing LD. You need to wait for one of your own to develop or you need to spend assets to get one.

    Maybe if Arizona picks first or second overall and Edmonton picks third, the Coyotes would be willing to accept Hall, the third overall pick and Montreal’s second round pick in exchange for Oliver Ekman-Larsson and Chicago’s first round pick?

    I admit the Oilers would lose a lot of offense in that trade but I think the Coyotes would need to consider that trade, even if it could potentially set back their rebuild for a couple of years.

  53. frjohnk says:

    haters:
    So back to my earlier question
    If Marniner, Bennet, and Strome are alone in this years draft which order are they taken ?

    IMO, Strome, Marner then Bennett

  54. Pretendergast says:

    G Money:
    Marincin making some nice plays there for a guy that doesn’t exist.

    there’s the money quote, love it.

  55. gogliano says:

    Drais with a goal and assist so far. 2-0 Rockets in the second.

  56. frjohnk says:

    Even though deflected, Scrivens needs to stop that.

  57. jp says:

    How do you feel about being given a starters job now Scrivens?

  58. RexLibris says:

    G Money: You know that’s already on the way to being an indisputable MacTruth.

    Hey, I think we’ve hit on something.

    Like foxfacts, now we have MacFacts!

    Nikitin is a top 4D. #MacFacts

    The Oilers have a bright future. #MacFacts

    Justin Schultz is a Norris caliber defenseman. #MacFacts

    If Marty Reasoner were faster he’d be Joe Sakic. #MacFacts

    I really like the position our team is in going forward. #MacFacts

    We wanted to challenge Petry on a one-year contract. #MacFacts

    Scott Howson has a terrific eye for talent. #MacFacts

    I’m comfortable with our defensive group going forward. #MacFacts

    I’m targeting a player or prospect in return for Petry. #MacFacts

    Dallas Eakins has the ear of this team. #MacFacts

    I think we’re only three or four players away from competing for a playoff spot. #MacFacts

  59. SVR says:

    Gregor had a short interviw with Matt Hendricks today. Was asking him about the rest of the season and what they were looking to accomplish. Hendricks said something to the effect of good teams go into games and expect to win. They don, t hope they can win. I wonder if MacT addressed he team ater the trade deadline. What could he possibly say to them to give them any kind of hope that better days are ahea. Would he feed them the same bs he gives the meia and the fans. The players aren’t stupid either. I’m sure they don’t buy it any more than we do

  60. VanOil says:

    The score reflects the relative skill level of the two teams ice time leaders.

  61. Pouzar says:

    RexLibris,

    You have to tweet that stuff LOL

  62. SVR says:

    SVR:
    Piss poor play, but man I wish we had Fuhr in there

    I mean even Fuhr today. Is he around? Can e get him some equipment?

  63. RexLibris says:

    haters:
    So back to my earlier question
    If Marniner, Bennet, and Strome are alone in this years draft which order are they taken ?

    I prioritize C over W.

    That being said, I think it would run Marner based on his points and then a toss up of Strome or Bennett.

    Bennett looks like he has the more complete tool kit, but Strome is bigger and has been quietly having a very good season in McDavid’s shadow.

    In some ways, Strome/Bennett is very similar to Draisaitl/Bennett with the one exception that Draisaitl and Morrissey made up 97% of their team’s total offense, whereas Strome does not.

    Ranking them based solely on skill and potential?

    Marner, Strome/Bennett.

  64. G Money says:

    SVR: I mean even Fuhr today. Is he around? Can e get him some equipment?

    I think he might have played in the Florida-Tor game tonight.

  65. G Money says:

    RexLibris,

    And that’s a fact!(avish)

  66. RexLibris says:

    SVR: I mean even Fuhr today. Is he around? Can e get him some equipment?

    I picture that scene from Major League.

    “Hey Grant, it’s MacT, you wanna play goal for the Oilers?”

    “Uh, yeah, listen can I get back to you? I got a guy on the other line wants a set of white walls…”

  67. RexLibris says:

    G Money:
    RexLibris,

    And that’s a fact!(avish)

    http://imgur.com/gallery/IW8simF

  68. G Money says:

    Remember back in his rookie season when Jultz would get a point and when they announced his name, the crowd would cheer extra loud?

  69. RexLibris says:

    5-1.

    Too funny.

    Listened to some of Stauffer’s pregame.

    Mentioned that the Kings are bad on the road and they can’t score.

    There’s nothing ails a team that the Oilers can’t fix!

    They are the sin-eaters of the NHL.

  70. RexLibris says:

    G Money:
    Remember back in his rookie season when Jultz would get a point and when they announced his name, the crowd would cheer extra loud?

    No.

    😉

  71. G Money says:

    RexLibris: They are the sin-eaters of the NHL.

    The what?

    Oh … sin!

  72. RexLibris says:

    Remember that story about Pocklington playing a game of backgammon on the plane to try and “win” Gretzky?

    I picture Maloney and Murray, staring each other down knowing they play each other twice more this season, trying to figure out how one or the other is going to out-tank the Oilers, and they decide the only fair thing to do is to play backgammon – winner gets to dress the ECHL goalie for their games.

  73. RexLibris says:

    G Money: The what?

    Oh … sin!

    Uh, well, maybe that too.

    Heaven knows they get enough thrown at them.

    For the record though, my criticisms are levelled at management and the general organization that is the Oilers.

    The player I generally have respect for. They have a tough job and are getting little help from above.

    Like the workers filling in potholes in rush-hour traffic. They didn’t choose to be there, the boss did, they just showed up with the shovels and did what they are paid to do.

  74. rickithebear says:

    J. Schultz 6’2″188lb 2.54LB/in
    Ference 5’11’183lb 2.58 lb/in
    Oesterle 6″182lb 2.53 lb/in

    Rasmuss anderson OCT 1996
    6’0″ 210lb 2.92lb/in
    8G 35A 43P NHLE

    2.92lb/in good
    2.5X lb/in not good.

  75. Kitchener says:

    Close-up of Nelson shows he’s ticked off. Love it. No quit or cynical disbelief on display whatsoever.

  76. SVR says:

    These Kings can fuck ff with there size and depth at key positions like C and D. You cant expect to win with guys like Stoll and Green playing significant roles!

  77. RexLibris says:

    Yikes. Scrivens numbers are going to take a beating after tonight.

    19 saves and 5 goals against.

    At least Fuhr knew his forwards/defense would score 8 in reply.

  78. frjohnk says:

    rickithebear:
    J. Schultz 6’2″188lb 2.54LB/in
    Ference 5’11’183lb 2.58 lb/in
    Oesterle 6″182lb 2.53 lb/in

    Rasmuss anderson OCT 1996
    6’0″ 210lb2.92lb/in
    8G 35A 43P NHLE

    2.92lb/in good
    2.5X lb/in not good.

    Dustin Byfuglien
    3.44lb/in great

  79. Johnny says:

    People say they want the league to step in and do something about this horrifically managed franchise.

    Unbelievably, they actually have. They changed the lottery rules.

    Factavish admitted he sees no other option than to ride this out with his “core”. This goes beyond friends and family in management…it trickles down to the players too.

    He is riding this out….boom or bust. I know that this is the year they are going to start drafting good players, but for some reason I have my money on bust.

    Either next year, or the year after, when they are out of the playoff race by December, T. Hall gets pissed and wants out. They don’t have the D prospects to fill out this blueline, and nobody is getting traded. They can get a lot better and still not be good enough.

    Thankfully Craigsonit

  80. SVR says:

    Just remembered MacT comments again and realized we are looking at next years D core. should be fun

  81. Pretendergast says:

    rickithebear,

    Andersson is a must draft, he’s the madison bowey of 2015, really strong on his man at all times.

  82. G Money says:

    RexLibris: For the record though, my criticisms are levelled at management and the general organization that is the Oilers.
    The player I generally have respect for. They have a tough job and are getting little help from above.

    Absolutely. Too young, too small, asked to do too much too early with too little support.

    The only players I truly get frustrated with are Jultz (when he Jultzes), and Ference (when he stinks out the joint then has the incredible lack of self-awareness that allows him to publicly throw his teammates under the bus).

  83. G Money says:

    SVR:
    Just remembered MacT comments again and realized we are looking at next years D core. should be fun

    No no no! You’re forgetting – we shouldn’t expect Mardemort to be there next year.

    Expect him to be replaced by a solid superfit veteran presence. Timonen anyone?

  84. jp says:

    RexLibris:
    Yikes. Scrivens numbers are going to take a beating after tonight.

    19 saves and 5 goals against.

    Have you seen his numbers?

  85. Kitchener says:

    McWin. The Oil can’t lose.

  86. frjohnk says:

    One way to look at the loss,
    this does not help the flames

  87. jp says:

    LT, thanks again for being a bright light through these dark years. Too bad the Oilers aren’t helping you out any.

  88. SVR says:

    G Money,

    Yes, should be able to get him for 4 x 4.75. Put in a NTC to show we’re committed

  89. haters says:

    RexLibris,

    Agree . My thinking is if the oil draft 3rd+ we take Mitch . Any thoughts why iss has a 6’4 goon with under 2 ppg ranked ahead of him ?

  90. wheatnoil says:

    That was painful.

    McEichel can’t save this team… Not with that defense. If MacT doesn’t start learning from his mistakes, it’s going to be a long next few years.

  91. Hammers says:

    Didn’t expect a win after Petry trade . The road will be the best thing for them . They will be lucky to get 3-4 points unless there’s word on Lander , Hall or Pakirinin all coming back ? As for the pick , Hanifin or Strome unless we win the lottery . If we won the lottery I can already here the bitching all over the league and that would make me HAPPY .

  92. Hammers says:

    wheatnoil:
    That was painful.

    McEichel can’t save this team… Not with that defense. If MacT doesn’t start learning from his mistakes, it’s going to be a long next few years.

    What did anybody expect him to say other than some praise for his “D” with just under 20 games to go.

  93. Snowman says:

    Was at the game tonight. It was terrible.

    That is all.

  94. kooler says:

    What if…. Obviously you pick Mcdavid if you win the lottery or do you trade Buffalo for their first 3 picks?

    Ok most will say keep Mcdavid…what if it’s Eichel?

  95. 719 says:

    Nothing Joe Thorton, John Boychuk, Ekman Larsson and Craig Anderson can’t fix!

    Like Craig said we are 3-4 moves away from a playoff spot contender.

  96. 719 says:

    kooler:
    What if…. Obviously you pick Mcdavid if you win the lottery or do you trade Buffalo for their first 3 picks?

    Ok most will say keep Mcdavid…what if it’s Eichel?

    IF Buffalo had 2nd overall, I would trade it. 4 picks in the 1st round in this draft, you are laughing. I thought Buff gave a pick to Winnipeg though?

  97. Lowetide says:

    jp:
    LT, thanks again for being a bright light through these dark years. Too bad the Oilers aren’t helping you out any.

    Thanks, JP. Some sweet day!

  98. kooler says:

    719,

    2 in the first and 1st pick in the 2nd.

  99. LadiesloveSmid says:

    rickithebear:
    J. Schultz 6’2″188lb 2.54LB/in
    Ference 5’11’183lb 2.58 lb/in
    Oesterle 6″182lb 2.53 lb/in

    Rasmuss anderson OCT 1996
    6’0″ 210lb2.92lb/in
    8G 35A 43P NHLE

    2.92lb/in good
    2.5X lb/in not good.

    what are Karlsson, Brodie, Klingberg, Ekman-Larsson, Gardiner?

    no good because they’re weight/inch isn’t great?

  100. rickithebear says:

    frjohnk: Dustin Byfuglien
    3.44lb/in great

    3.03 EVGA/60 2 nd worst D in game.
    Line of Kunitz-Crosby-Malkin 22.5M barely outscores him.
    He is an awesome forward. 2.11 EVGA/60

    I will take 2.91 LB/in with a 43pt offensive game that can skate with the fast and power with the big.

    Doughty 6’0″ 212lb 2.94lb/in 42pt NHLE strong skater and can power with the big in junior.

  101. rickithebear says:

    LadiesloveSmid: what are Karlsson, Brodie, Klingberg, Ekman-Larsson, Gardiner?

    no good because they’re weight/inch isn’t great?

    2.5X lb/in sucks
    2.7X ok
    2.9X+ might want to check the top EVGA/60 dpairs in the game.
    Usually at least 1.

  102. Numenius says:

    Ok, I don’t want to hear any complaining from the corgi lovers.

    CF
    Edm 41
    LA 40

    Oesterle the miracle worker:

    C+/-
    Oesterle 8 (second highest on team to Roy)
    Ference 5 (fifth highest on team)

  103. jp says:

    frjohnk: Dustin Byfuglien
    3.44lb/in great

    rickithebear: 3.03 EVGA/60 2 nd worst D in game.
    Line of Kunitz-Crosby-Malkin 22.5M barely outscores him.
    He is an awesome forward. 2.11 EVGA/60

    I will take 2.91 LB/in with a 43pt offensive game that can skate with the fast and power with the big.

    To be clear, you just said that Rasmus Andersson > Dustin Byfuglien?

  104. rickithebear says:

    G Money: Absolutely.Too young, too small, asked to do too much too early with too little support.

    that is a given players do not have there adult mass till age 26.
    27-30 is plateau.
    top 6 pick 12 years to 30
    Draisatl 11 years to 30
    Yak 9 years to 30
    RNH 9 years to 30
    Klefbom 9 years to 30
    Marincin 8 years to 30
    Hall 7 years to 30
    Lander 7 years to 30
    Eberle 6 years to 30
    ————————————-
    Muir 11 years to 30
    Platzer 11 years to 30
    Yakimov 10 years to 30
    Khaira 10 years to 30
    Slepyshev 10 yr to 30
    Hamilton 7 years to 30

    subtract 4 tells you how long till they stop growing!

  105. SwedishPoster says:

    That was one hell of a spanking. A lot is made of Kings size and strength on the boards as being key to their great possesion game and GMs covet that big body that can protect the puck and make a play with Kopitar as the golden standard. But an ever bigger key to LAs possession dominance imo is their speed through the neutral zone, when they are playing well they just fly through and key to that is a strong passing game and players that move their feet. That speed gives them the chance to almost always carry the puck in instead of dumping it and when they’re forced to dump it they always have 2-3 guys already going full throttle to retrieve the puck where the teams strength on the boards really pays off.
    Oilers biggest issue on the night was puck management, way too many giveaways, but after that the key to this beating was the inability to slow down LA through the neutral zone, it’s really hard to defend the blue line when they can go at you full speed, which leads to them establishing pressure or getting juicy chances straight after entry since they can just fly by the D.

    As most of you know there is a pretty strong correlation between controlled zone entries and possession numbers, which makes perfect sense, it’s much better to already have the puck on your stick than to have to chase the puck and hope to win a board battle. The key to good zone entries is speed, numbers and puck movement through the neutral zone and the key to that is ofc zone exits and the puck moving from the back end. If these things fail and you’re slow through the neutral zone the key to stay in the game is puck management. You can’t force the issue with zone entries nor zone exits. Carrying the puck over the offensive blue is a key to good possession numbers, but your gameplan can’t be to carry the puck in at every opportunity because you will lose the puck in bad spots, like Hendricks on the 4-1 goal. So in the name of puck management you might have to hurt your possession numbers until you’ve solved the issue with puck movement and speed through the neutral zone because those giveaways are so costly.
    The team has gotten better in this regard since the arrival of Nelson, by simplifying their game they’ve cut down on the giveaways in bad spots and they have less bad breakdowns. This might actually be part of the reason Eakins got better corsi but worse results, the team did carry the puck more over the bluelines which probably lead to better possession but also bigger breakdowns with giveaways in bad spots and goals against. Before you can start carrying the puck in and out of the end zones you need to put yourself in a position to do so and if you don’t you’re likely better of dumping and chasing. Eakins started in the wrong end.

    Those bad giveaway goals are also real momentum killers, as evident with the 4-1 goal last night, the team started to get some zone time and chances and then bam. Getting a GA on the PP doesn’t help either.

    Against a team like LA you just can’t give away pucks like that. This was pretty much a scheduled loss considering the depleted Oilers squad, as we are well aware of not exactly on all star squad when fully healthy, and the LA Kings needing to get the pedal to the floor to reach the playoffs but a better effort would have been nice.

    The positives were the offensive play of Yak and Roy, they looked dangerous all night, and the reactions after the game. The players looked genuinly pissed off after the game where they’ve looked more apathic before. Oh and outside of the sloppy giveaway and maybe a few too many cute passes the PP looked alright.

    Oilers outshot the Kings in the last two periods. Tells you all you need to know about how much scoring effects the shot clock.

  106. SwedishPoster says:

    jp:
    To be clear, you just said that Rasmus Andersson > Dustin Byfuglien?

    Andersson is really good though, could be a second round steal. Eats pizza with the best of them as well.

  107. book¡je says:

    I think it’s time to start the discussion on the following.

    Are the Oilers the worst team in the NHL :
    A. in the post lockout era?
    B. In the modern era?
    C. In the entire history of the league?

  108. unca miltie says:

    book¡je:
    I think it’s time to start the discussion on the following.

    Are the Oilers the worst team in the NHL :
    A. in the post lockout era?
    B. In the modern era?
    C. In the entire history of the league?

    I actually feel a bit sorry for the players. What a train wreck this is.

  109. Ryan says:

    book¡je:
    I think it’s time to start the discussion on the following.

    Are the Oilers the worst team in the NHL :
    A. in the post lockout era?
    B. In the modern era?
    C. In the entire history of the league?

    What’s amazing is that for a team that’s been so bad for so long, they sure don’t have many good hockey players.

  110. Really? says:

    The greatest concern I have relates to the Oilers lack of competitiveness as displayed against the Kings. The Kings are a large, tough and mature hockey team. The Oiler players know this and they simply roll over. They do not challenge the Kings anywhere on the ice for fear that they awaken the beast within. Just like a puppy will roll over on to its back to signal submission to the more dominant mature dog, the Oilers did the same thing when faced with the Kings. They did not finish their checks, they were not aggressive in any way and it showed throughout the game with all the skate-bys done by the Oilers. Mr. Nelson this is on you to address and try to rectify.

    MacT can dream all season long about his defense corps. They are not big enough, tough enough nor nearly good enough to be playoff contenders in the NHL. Unfortunately the Oilers forwards are not slick enough, skilled enough, smart enough, large enough mature enough or tough enough to contend for the Cup either.

    If anyone out there questions the Oilers ability to be a contender for a playoff spot or for the Cup, that would be a bandwagon worthy of jumping onto.

  111. theres oil in virginia says:

    G Money: Absolutely. Too young, too small, asked to do too much too early with too little support.

    This is about my only big beef with Lowe and Co. I think he’s got it driven into his skull that when he and his boys came into the league, they scrapped and fought and clawed their way to the top, and he expects(ed?) this group to do the same. What he doesn’t(idn’t?) take into account is that half the league was smoking cigarettes and drinking beer during intermissions and it dern’t work that way anymore.

    It seems to me that MacT realized this, decided he needed to give his young guys cover until they developed more, grabbed a bunch of guys to do this, overpayed them (by necessity), and they underperformed. Not sure why he didn’t do this for the center position or J-Schoo.

    I don’t think goaltending sunk this team (outside of the wanderings of Scrivens early – mostly early), but it didn’t float it either. I didn’t like the idea of shooting down Dubnyk, but I was happy with the return, given the devalued nature of the asset.

  112. theres oil in virginia says:

    rickithebear: that is a given players do not have there adult mass till age 26.
    27-30 is plateau.
    top 6 pick 12 years to 30
    Draisatl 11 years to 30
    Yak 9 years to 30
    RNH 9 years to 30
    Klefbom 9 years to 30
    Marincin 8 years to 30
    Hall 7 years to 30
    Lander 7 years to 30
    Eberle 6 years to 30
    ————————————-
    Muir 11 years to 30
    Platzer 11 years to 30
    Yakimov 10 years to 30
    Khaira 10 years to 30
    Slepyshev 10 yr to 30
    Hamilton 7 years to 30

    subtract 4 tells you how long till they stop growing!

    After all the doom and gloom, this post is a nice reminder of the good things.

  113. theres oil in virginia says:

    SwedishPoster:
    That was one hell of a spanking. A lot is made of Kings size and strength on the boards as being key to their great possesion game and GMs covet that big body that can protect the puck and make a play with Kopitar as the golden standard. But an ever bigger key to LAs possession dominance imo is their speed through the neutral zone, when they are playing well they just fly through and key to that is a strong passing game and players that move their feet. That speed gives them the chance to almost always carry the puck in instead of dumping it and when they’re forced to dump it they always have 2-3 guys already going full throttle to retrieve the puck where the teams strength on the boards really pays off.
    Oilers biggest issue on the night was puck management, way too many giveaways, but after that the key to this beating was the inability to slow down LA through the neutral zone, it’s really hard to defend the blue line when they can go at you full speed, which leads to them establishing pressure or getting juicy chances straight after entry since they can just fly by the D.

    As most of you know there is a pretty strong correlation between controlled zone entries and possession numbers, which makes perfect sense, it’s much better to already have the puck on your stick than to have to chase the puck and hope to win a board battle. The key to good zone entries is speed, numbers and puck movement through the neutral zone and the key to that is ofc zone exits and the puck moving from the back end. If these things fail and you’re slow through the neutral zone the key to stay in the game is puck management. You can’t force the issue with zone entries nor zone exits. Carrying the puck over the offensive blue is a key to good possession numbers, but your gameplan can’t be to carry the puck in at every opportunity because you will lose the puck in bad spots, like Hendricks on the 4-1 goal. So in the name of puck management you might have to hurt your possession numbers until you’ve solved the issue with puck movement and speed through the neutral zone because those giveaways are so costly.
    The team has gotten better in this regard since the arrival of Nelson, by simplifying their game they’ve cut down on the giveaways in bad spots and they have less bad breakdowns. This might actually be part of the reason Eakins got better corsi but worse results, the team did carry the puck more over the bluelines which probably lead to better possession but also bigger breakdowns with giveaways in bad spots and goals against. Before you can start carrying the puck in and out of the end zones you need to put yourself in a position to do so and if you don’t you’re likely better of dumping and chasing. Eakins started in the wrong end.

    Those bad giveaway goals are also real momentum killers, as evident with the 4-1 goal last night, the team started to get some zone time and chances and then bam. Getting a GA on the PP doesn’t help either.

    Against a team like LA you just can’t give away pucks like that. This was pretty much a scheduled loss considering the depleted Oilers squad, as we are well aware of not exactly on all star squad when fully healthy, and the LA Kings needing to get the pedal to the floor to reach the playoffs but a better effort would have been nice.

    The positives were the offensive play of Yak and Roy, they looked dangerous all night, and the reactions after the game. The players looked genuinly pissed off after the game where they’ve looked more apathic before. Oh and outside of the sloppy giveaway and maybe a few too many cute passes the PP looked alright.

    Oilers outshot the Kings in the last two periods. Tells you all you need to know about how much scoring effects the shot clock.

    These ideas are similar to ideas that have been rolling around in my head for a little while. Thanks for taking the time to eloquently write them down on “paper”.

  114. GCW_69 says:

    book¡je:
    I think it’s time to start the discussion on the following.

    Are the Oilers the worst team in the NHL :
    A. in the post lockout era?
    B. In the modern era?
    C. In the entire history of the league?

    This picture tells you all you need to know:

    http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag230/bituman532/Mobile%20Uploads/download_zpspl2sil0h.png

  115. oliveoilers says:

    RexLibris: Hey, I think we’ve hit on something.

    Like foxfacts, now we have MacFacts!

    Nikitin is a top 4D. #MacFacts

    The Oilers have a bright future. #MacFacts

    Justin Schultz is a Norris caliber defenseman. #MacFacts

    If Marty Reasoner were faster he’d be Joe Sakic. #MacFacts

    I really like the position our team is in going forward. #MacFacts

    We wanted to challenge Petry on a one-year contract. #MacFacts

    Scott Howson has a terrific eye for talent. #MacFacts

    I’m comfortable with our defensive group going forward. #MacFacts

    I’m targeting a player or prospect in return for Petry. #MacFacts

    Dallas Eakins has the ear of this team. #MacFacts

    I think we’re only three or four players away from competing for a playoff spot. #MacFacts

    Something like the Kim Jong Il facts?

    My favourite was the one where he had apparently written the perfect musical, but in his benevolence, he didn’t release it because all other music would be obsolete and therefore pointless.

  116. SwedishPoster says:

    oliveoilers,

    To his defense I’ve listened to that musical and I’m not a musical fan but that piece is glorious. Shame he’s dead, would probably have made a good GM.

  117. rickithebear says:

    book¡je:
    I think it’s time to start the discussion on the following.

    Are the Oilers the worst team in the NHL :
    A. in the post lockout era?
    B. In the modern era?
    C. In the entire history of the league?

    post lockout 05-06:
    13 teams with Cups or Conf Championship. (won something)
    22 teams do not win a series each year.

    Oilers:
    1 Conf Chapionship 3 series wins.

    Without championship
    SJS 8 series SJS is the 14th best Playoff team
    BUF 4 series
    MTL 5 series
    WSH 3 series
    DAL 2 series
    TMP 2 series
    COL 2 series
    NSH 2 series
    ARZ 2 series
    Wild 1 series
    STL 1 series
    FLD 0 series
    CLB 0 Series
    WPG/ATL 0 series
    NYI 0 series wins
    CGY 0 Series
    TOR 0 seies

    Silly Question!

  118. oliveoilers says:

    SwedishPoster:
    oliveoilers,

    To his defense I’ve listened to that musical and I’m not a musical fan but that piece is glorious. Shame he’s dead, would probably have made a good GM.

    He also invented the perfect hamburger. It was delicious.

    But I can’t believe you listened to it!

    I heard that if you listen to it, you try to deafen yourself because you’ve listened to perfection and as you will never hear anything as awesome again, hearing is pointless.

    Even the first cry of your newborn child is like nails down a chalk board in comparison.

  119. vinotintazo says:

    Marner > Bennet. is not close.

    Wow…pretty bold….what are you basing this on?
    I don’t know why I ask, there is no chance MacT is taking him

    My point is Marner is better than Bennet, but I’d still take Strome, over him.

  120. SwedishPoster says:

    oliveoilers: He also invented the perfect hamburger.It was delicious.

    But I can’t believe you listened to it!

    I heard that if you listen to it, you try to deafen yourself because you’ve listened to perfection and as you will never hear anything as awesome again, hearing is pointless.

    Even the first cry of your newborn child is like nails down a chalk board in comparison.

    This is the reason I only post on the Internet. I no longer use my hearing, it would be blasphemy. I listened through the whole Pyongyang bootleg series and decided to swear off hearing.

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