TOP 20 PROSPECTS UPDATE

It’s been a very interesting winter for Edmonton Oilers prospects. Our look at the Top 20 prospects began November 8 and the arrows have been flying everywhere since that day. Let’s have a look to see who is moving up and down.

  1. C Leon Draisaitl, Kelowna Rockets. The big center struggled after his ranking (23GP, 1-4-5 after I wrote about him) but found the range in junior (39 points in 24 games). The organization is talking in terms of AHL time, I don’t buy it. If they draft Strome, it’s more likely he returns to junior and Draisaitl is 2C NHL. Up arrows after a down start.
  2. D Darnell Nurse, SSM Greyhounds. A big Christmas for Nurse, who delivered quality play for Canada on the way to the World Juniors Gold. Nurse was 8GP, 2-8-10 when I wrote about him and he’s 25GP, 7-14-21 since. A recent injury caused some concern but it appears all is well and he should be ready for the playoffs. Up arrows as long as the injury worries subside.
  3. D Oscar Klefbom, Edmonton Oilers. He has now graduated (59 NHL games) as a prospect and the Oilers are over the moon about him. Klefbom at this point is regarded (I think) as a pillar of the future on defense for the team. He was 2GP, 0-0-0 at the time of writing and is 40GP, 2-10-12 since. Major up arrows.
  4. C Bogdan Yakimov, Oklahoma City Barons. Big center impressed like crazy during training camp and early in pre-season but he was struggling to post crooked numbers in the AHL when I wrote about him (9GP, 1-1-2). Since then, he’s 41GP, 8-12-20 and looks to be on his way as a legit NHL prospect. Up arrows.
  5. R Iiro Pakarinen, Edmonton Oilers. Took the organization by storm and established early he was miles ahead of the forwards in OKC. He was 5GP, 1-0-1 in the NHL when the Top 20 went up and is 12GP, 0-2-2 since. In the minors, he was 7GP, 5-3-8 at the time of writing and is 32GP, 12-8-20 since. Arrows down.
  6. C-R Greg Chase, Victoria Royals. Gritty forward who had a strange start to the season in Calgary and ended up getting traded to better weather because of it. Began the season 15GP, 2-13-15 and is 38GP, 17-21-38 since. He’s a fascinating prospect. Arrows flat.
  7. C Jujhar Khaira, Oklahoma City Barons. The concern for Khaira (and many of the Oilers forwards who have size) is offense and that continues to be a concern at this point in time. Began the year 13GP, 1-2-3 and then I wrote about him. Since being ranked No. 7 in the system, he’s 37GP, 3-4-7. Down arrows.
  8. D Dillon Simpson, Oklahoma City Barons. Young Simpson impressed everyone during his NCAA after a slow start, I felt that may be the case in the AHL. Began the season 20GP, 2-3-5 and is 30GP, 0-7-7 since. His progress based on anecdotal evidence suggests this season has been uneven. Arrows flat.
  9. C Kyle Platzer, Owen Sound Attack. He was enjoying a monster beginning to the season and with his range of ability it was certainly something to get excited about for Oilers fans. Began the season 24GP, 9-20-29 and has posted 34GP, 20-34-43 since. Arrows up!
  10. R Tyler Pitlick, Edmonton Oilers. Young man who has developed slowly because of injury and lack of offensive output, he was recalled the day I wrote about him and was 14GP, 1-0-1 in the NHL before injury. I think he has a chance to earn an NHL job but the injuries keep derailing him. Arrows flat.
  11. C Marco Roy, Quebec Remparts. Two-way center on a deep team, Roy had posted strong numbers (22GP, 15-10-25) when I wrote about him. Since then he’s 30GP, 9-9-18 and playing very little on the power play. I think he’s doing well but the boxcars are down. Arrows flat. 
  12. R Jackson Houck, Vancouver Giants. Noticed because of physical play and some skill, he blossomed in draft year offensively. When I ranked him No. 12 overall in the winter, he was 28GP, 11-15-26. Since then, he’s 29GP, 9-11-20. I’m not certain of his progress (a lot is written about team struggles, less about individual issues) but he’s not delivering at previous levels. Down arrows.
  13. D Martin Gernat, Oklahoma City Barons. Started the season in the conditioning doghouse and has struggled for much of the year. He was 20GP, 0-3-3 in December when I ranked him and is 25, 0-4-4 since—not much happening.  Extreme down arrows. Update: AND with that he scores his first goal of the year!
  14. D Joey Laleggia, Denver University. Quality offensive defenseman at the NCAA level, he was 14GP, 6-6-12 when I ranked him in December. He has exploded since, going 17GP, 6-17-23 and making his case for a Hobey Baker award. Major arrows up.
  15. D William Lagesson, Dubuque Fighting Saints. Interesting defender with a reputation for physical play and coverage skills began the season with an offensive surge. He was 25GP, 1-11-12 at the time I ranked him here and is 12GP, 0-1-1 since. I’m not certain how much to nick him as his scouting report isn’t really about offense. Information from the USHL is insufficient but I think he’s had a good season overall. Arrows flat.
  16. G Laurent Brossoit, Oklahoma City Barons. The young man is having a nice season and the key (as much as we know about goalies) is for him to maintain consistency or improve his numbers. He was 20GP, 2.43 .922 at the time I wrote about him and he is 13GP, 2.50 .916 since. This is a substantial prospect. Arrows up.
  17. L Anton Slepyshev, Ufa Salavat Yulayev. This young man started slowly but came on strong during the regular season. He was 39GP 5-7-12 when I ranked him and finished the season 19GP, 10-3-13 after his ranking. Major arrows up.
  18. L Mitchell Moroz, Oklahoma City Barons. Big physical forward who, like Jujhar Khaira, was likely to face offensive challenges in the step into the AHL. Began the season 24GP, 0-2-2 and is 21GP, 2-1-3 since. Oilers have to find a way to get him more at-bats. Down arrows.
  19. L Curtis Hamilton, Oklahoma City Barons. Began the season healthy, which got him into the top 20. When I wrote about Hamilton he was 27GP, 6-10-16 and he is 22GP, 5-5-10 since. The big issue: he’s been able to stay healthy. Arrows up.
  20. D Brad Hunt, Oklahoma City Barons. Brilliant offensive defender at the AHL level, Hunt is chaos defensively at the NHL level. Is he a tweener? Began the year 17GP, 7-15-22 and is 24GP, 7-11-18 since. Arrows up.

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  1. Lowetide says:

    AND Martin Gernat scores! 1-0 OKC, assists to Miller and Musil.

  2. bendelson says:

    Extreme down arrow scores!
    Assists to a couple of distant bells!

  3. Rondo says:

    Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman Mar 2
    Yep. A case he’s EDM’s 2nd best F prospect after LD. RT @Homersampson: what do you think of Slepyshev? Looks to be turning a corner

  4. Lowetide says:

    bendelson:
    Extreme down arrow scores!
    Assists to a couple of distant bells!

    Awesome post!

  5. oliveoilers says:

    Thank you for this new post LT!

    Love the optimism, even if I’m not quite feeling it at the moment.

    There might yet be a Sheraton or Chippendale under the patina of failure on this Ikea flat pack dresser.

    Just needs you to remind us from time to time!

    Go Barons Go!

  6. coolwasabi says:

    Just think. If everything goes right, these young men may be the next Jeff Petry, Devan Dubnyk, or Tobias Reider.

  7. LadiesloveSmid says:

    hockeydb has Laleggia at 35P in 31GP, so I think you meant to say “17GP, 6-17-23″ not “27GP”

  8. bendelson says:

    Oscar is playing top 2 minutes in Edm, babysitting a lolygagger, and keeping his chiseled facial features above water and he gets “Major up arrows”?

    I’d consider those extreme up arrows, if not dreamy.

  9. theres oil in virginia says:

    So, Mitch Moroz, he’s struggling in his first pro season, which is pretty much what everyone expected. I get the down arrows, because of that. But, seeing how this is pretty much much what was expected, has your opinion of this guy as a prospect changed? I’m looking at him like he needs to recover next year, in terms of scoring, but his performance this year is on par with expectation, so it doesn’t really feel like a down arrow to me. I’m not saying it really feels like an up arrow either, mind you.

  10. Ben says:

    Personally I can’t wait to see Laleggia continue to deliver solid positional play and offensive acumen in the NCAA, sign a contract with the Oil, make the team full time in 2017, post positive possession numbers, and be run out of town by 2018.

    Sorry. Cynicism is oxygen in Oil country.

  11. theres oil in virginia says:

    Between Nurse and Klefbom, which do you think has the higher ceiling? (Pardon me if the fact that you rated Nurse higher here answers that question.) Do you think that either of these guys is going to be a legitimate top-pairing d-man in say 3-5 years?

  12. theres oil in virginia says:

    Alright, one more: I don’t understand the down arrows for Iiro. Is it “down” because he looked so good for a bit and now he’s off that really “up” pace? Or is he down arrows as a prospect? I see him as still being a fine prospect. He looked a little over his head at the NHL level, but sheesh, he’s still got some room to improve. I never did hear about the severity of his injury, and that could be a problem, but he still looks like a up or flat arrows guys to me.

  13. theres oil in virginia says:

    Okay, I lied, two more!:
    Pitlick finally started to look (to me) like an NHLer this year. I was a bit surprised and thought, “So this is what LT was seeing in the guy!” Then he got hurt. Again. That has to be a down arrow, man. I’m curious to see if he lasts another year with the organization. I’m thinking not.

    Those numbers for Curtis Hamilton don’t exactly knock your socks off. Just staying healthy isn’t going to be enough. Isn’t he gonna have to put up way more points than that in order to advance?

  14. Lowetide says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    So, Mitch Moroz, he’s struggling in his first pro season, which is pretty much what everyone expected.I get the down arrows, because of that.But, seeing how this is pretty much much what was expected, has your opinion of this guy as a prospect changed?I’m looking at him like he needs to recover next year, in terms of scoring, but his performance this year is on par with expectation, so it doesn’t really feel like a down arrow to me.I’m not saying it really feels like an up arrow either, mind you.

    I think the Oilers are making a mistake on him. He should be in stockton. Down arrow but more organization than player.

  15. stush18 says:

    Are these prospects rated based on where they are in the orginization now? Or where they were when you ranked them in december?

    I feel like laleggia, sleppy, jj, and platzer should be higher. Just my opinion, but they represent more legitimate shots at being nhl players.

  16. G Money says:

    Ben,

    Maybe Joey Legs can be sheltered and mentored by Jultz.

    That guy’s Norris material I’ll have you know…

    That’s a factavish.

  17. Lowetide says:

    Oil in Virginia:

    1. Great question, don’t know. One of the things watching prospects has taught me is that we don’t really know until we see them here for a time.

    2. Iiro’s down arrows come from performance since I ranked him No. 5 in December. He wouldn’t be there today.

    3. Pitlick came to the NHL and played well, with speed and had an edge. That trumps all, including the injury (assuming he can come back)

    4. Hamilton isn’t going to be a PP dynamo and the scoring isn’t going to be a big item. But he’s a good two-way winger, that’s a good thing and he’s been healthy. I think he may get a shot here. Incredibly.

  18. Lowetide says:

    stush18:
    Are these prospects rated based on where they are in the orginization now? Or where they were when you ranked them in december?

    I feel like laleggia, sleppy, jj, and platzer should be higher. Just my opinion, but they represent more legitimate shots at being nhl players.

    They’re all where I ranked them in December.

  19. Unicorns says:

    Lowetide: I think the Oilers are making a mistake on him. He should be in stockton. Down arrow but more organization than player.

    You mentioned before that offense is the key for looking for NHL quality draft prospects which I believe is true because it speaks to skill and to the requisite assertiveness for NHL success.

    Moroz if given the proper apprenticeship, which most draftees require, might become a good bottom sixer given his attributes. If he is gifted a top 6 role with great players he might inherent a Lucic type career. But as it stands he needs a chance to learn the ropes of man hockey where his true standing lies – as a NHL normally sized forward, not a large body that can overpower most players.

  20. Unicorns says:

    G Money:
    Ben,

    Maybe Joey Legs can be sheltered and mentored by Jultz.

    That guy’s Norris material I’ll have you know…

    That’s a factavish.

    factavish

    awesome

  21. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide,

    Okay, I think I’m understanding more the nature of the arrows. Sounds like they indicate more about how the prospects have moved since last ranking than they do about the prospects “prospects” of making the show.

    Yeah, I’d like to see Pitlick one more year, I’m just thinking that I’ve read somewhere (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) about a logjam coming and the Oilers having tough signing decisions to make.

  22. theres oil in virginia says:

    Unicorns: But as it stands he needs a chance to learn the ropes of man hockey where his true standing lies – as a NHL normally sized forward, not a large body that can overpower most players.

    6-2, 214 lb at age 20. Sounds like he’ll be a bit bigger than a “normal”, or average, NHLer. That’s part of why they took him early, right?

  23. stush18 says:

    Lowetide,

    Will you rank them now based om where there are? Or is it too soon to change rankings?

  24. rickithebear says:

    Moroz ok.
    Khaira strong EVP away from ewanyk
    Ewanyk real bad!

    Moroz-Ewanyk-Alui
    Davidsn-Hunt
    -5
    Never!
    Ever!
    Play them together!
    Again!
    Ever!

  25. justDOit says:

    G Money: That’s a factavish.

    Of course, the booze helps!

  26. kinger_OIL says:

    So optimistically, the expectation is that one player on this list should make a difference on the Oil next year: Klef. Should Nurse or Dasshitty play in the NHL next year, it would be “development” for either of them, rather than helping the team. This great update certainly highlights how much work MacT et al have to do this summer to improve the team for next year….

  27. 719 says:

    I like the AHL team because it seems to be run like a meritocracy (unlike the Oilers). Take the best kids and put them on the team next year. Some may be over their head (Moroz) but his ice time can be limited for the 1st year.

    Hopefully this continues next year. Khaira, Bogdon and Draisatl all get bumped up higher in the rotation, and guys like Ewanyk get bumped down or to the ECHL.

    Draft and develop, draft and develop

  28. Lowetide says:

    stush18:
    Lowetide,

    Will you rank them now based om where there are? Or is it too soon to change rankings?

    I do the rankings twice a year: December and June after the draft. So, I won’t do another one for four months.

  29. oliveoilers says:

    justDOit: Of course, the booze helps!

    That reminds me, I’m going to get another beer. Enabler.

  30. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Lowetide,

    Not sure how we can qualify Hamilton as a good two way winger. He isn’t putting up offence in his draft +4 season despite playing lots of top line minutes (though I’m not an expert on that).

    Good 1 way defensive winger maybe, but 2way implies some offence that I’m not seeing.

  31. 719 says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    Lowetide,

    Not sure how we can qualify Hamilton as a good two way winger.He isn’t putting up offence in his draft +4 season despite playing lots of top line minutes (though I’m not an expert on that).

    Good 1 way defensive winger maybe, but 2way implies some offence that I’m not seeing.

    I think his injuries really hampered his development. If he can stay healthy for another year we would get a clearer picture

  32. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide:
    This is brilliant

    http://thesuperfan.ca/2015/03/03/pre-and-post-pronger/

    Very good article that very likely pin-points exactly when the shit show started.

    The rushed through trade of Pronger – could it be that Lowe was actually trying to be a nice guy and send him where he wanted to go – and the subsequent low-balling by Anaheim.

    What if Lowe played hard-ball and insisted CFP stay until a deal for equal or slightly lesser value could have been done?

    Now the diminishing returns on our players are like ever decreasing circles from a stone tossed in a lake.

    I think the words that best describe our beloved team are erosion, atrophy, apathy.

    Laughing stock? The people in the know in the hockey world stopped laughing at the last #1 pick.

  33. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Conner McDavid with 2G 3A 5P tonight.

    Now with 107P in 40GP.

    Yikes!

  34. Kitchener says:

    Lowetide,

    The silver lining is that Moroz is being exposed to team success in a damn hard league. He’ll never be a top 6 Oiler, so his task is to learn “all that other stuff” winning teams do. Yes, he’ll need offense to stick in Edmonton eventually, but kids have many lessons to learn and I suspect OKC is a great place for kids like Moroz to learn about details, preparation, and winning.

    I’m optimistic about Moroz based on “saw him good” from junior (mostly his interviews; he’s a sharp cookie and knows what his assets are), I just think it’ll be a few years before he’s in the NHL conversation.

  35. 719 says:

    Kitchener:
    Lowetide,

    The silver lining is that Moroz is being exposed to team success in a damn hard league.He’ll never be a top 6 Oiler, so his task is to learn “all that other stuff” winning teams do.Yes, he’ll need offense to stick in Edmonton eventually, but kids have many lessons to learn and I suspect OKC is a great place for kids like Moroz to learn about details, preparation, and winning.

    I’m optimistic about Moroz based on “saw him good” from junior (mostly his interviews; he’s a sharp cookie and knows what his assets are), I just think it’ll be a few years before he’s in the NHL conversation.

    Interesting, never thought of it that way. In the Detroit system he would probably be Landon Ferraro, given at least 4 years of AHL play before we make a decision.

  36. Kitchener says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Yikes indeed. He is the perfect storm.

    Edit: Please Gord, let Calgary finish 8th and out of the sweepstakes.

  37. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Kitchener:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    Yikes indeed.He is the perfect storm.

    Edit:Please Gord, let Calgary finish 8th and out of the sweepstakes.

    I expect Toronto is his destination.

    Don’t worry about Calgary.

    Edit: In other news…Calgary Flames draft pick Sam Bennett has 3G 3A 6P in only 4GP after returning from surgery.

  38. Cameron says:

    Kitchener:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    Yikes indeed.He is the perfect storm.

    Edit:Please Gord, let Calgary finish 8th and out of the sweepstakes.

    I’m OK with it if the Flames were to win the lottery.

  39. Jon K says:

    So if this is a down year for the WHL, what do people think is the over/under for WHL picks by the Oilers this year?

    I’ll say 2.5.

    If it’s WHL plus all western leagues (BC leagues etc), I’ll say 3.5.

  40. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Cameron: I’m OK with it if the Flames were to win the lottery.

    Call me crazy, but I think they are going to make the playoffs.

    Plucky bunch.

  41. Lowetide says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    Lowetide,

    Not sure how we can qualify Hamilton as a good two way winger.He isn’t putting up offence in his draft +4 season despite playing lots of top line minutes (though I’m not an expert on that).

    He’s a third line type. Top line only recent due to injuries and Ryan Hamilton recall.

  42. steveb12344 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Call me crazy, but I think they are going to make the playoffs.

    Plucky bunch.

    Ok, you’re crazy!

    For the flames to make it they need to beat out both L.A. and SJ without their best player.

    I really can’t see it.

  43. pocession charge says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    Conner McDavid with 2G 3A 5P tonight.

    Now with 107P in 40GP.

    Yikes!

    Could the Oilers ruin him? Seems like a proper challenge for the management group.

  44. prairieschooner says:

    LT channeling MacT
    Voldemort not mentioned?

  45. wheatnoil says:

    He's solid/top 9 potential. Big, strong on puck, has skill. meh skater. MT @DSM721: @coreypronman Bogdan Yakimov thoughts?— Corey Pronman (@coreypronman) March 5, 2015

  46. Zack says:

    Hey Lowetide, when does the blue bullet list come out? Should be soon shouldn’t it?

    As well as looks like the Oilers could have a pretty solid farm club and prospect pool bubbling under. The only thin I look remotely forward to this season now is the draft lottery. Management worries me with potential decisions.

  47. Lowetide says:

    prairieschooner:
    LT channeling MacT
    Voldemort not mentioned?

    50 games is the limit. Klefbom won’t be on the summer list.

  48. frenchfrog says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    In only 4 games? It’s junior. It’s 6 points. That’s all.

  49. Dashingsilverfox says:

    steveb12344: Ok, you’re crazy!

    For the flames to make it they need to beat out both L.A. and SJ without their best player.

    I really can’t see it.

    Calgary’s record against the WC is 24-11-2.

    Against the Pacific Division their record is 18-6-1.

    Losing Giordano is a big blow but they went into Philly last night without him and won again.

    Regulation wins:

    NSH – 35

    ANA – 33

    STL – 32

    VCR -32

    CAL – 31

    MIN – 31

    CHI – 30

    SJS – 30

    LAK – 29

    WPG – 26

    DAL – 26

    COL – 19

    ARI – 16

    EDM – 13

    These guys can play and, if they win a few more coins flips , they’ll be fine.

  50. Younger Oil says:

    Brad Hunt was a team worst -5 tonight. Yikes.

    But MacT thinks that Marincin would have been -10 most likely.

  51. Hammers says:

    I thought Musil was in your top 20 so I’m surprised his not but Gernat & Laggeson both are . Always thought Musil would make it as a 5-6 stay at home type “D” . I still think he may especially if he gets 5 years in the AHL .

  52. Adam Wu says:

    bendelson:
    Oscar is playing top 2 minutes in Edm, babysitting a lolygagger, and keeping his chiseled facial features above water and he gets “Major up arrows”?

    I’d consider those extreme up arrows, if not dreamy.

    Forget the arrows, he’s shot up like a rocket right off the list….

    He’s a bona-fide NHL player now, not a prospect any more.

  53. maudite says:

    Last thread went off the rails…safe to talk non lottery fixing or conspiracy philosophy related thoughts, relative to actual team construction, here?

    My biggest concern is impatience taking the front seat at this point (I know bear with me). Fans are tired and have a right to be but the mess that brought us to this mess is very easily repeated and I fear continuing the tailspin might happen instead of finally pulling out of it. I don’t want to see any whale hunting. I fear there will be whale hunting. I don’t think over priced whales on too long of contracts are of any use but that is likely all they will snag if they go about chasing big named fish.

    They need an actual long term plan (no sane person can argue they have remotely been operating on one up to here. Please do not even try.)

    2015-2016 season
    > slogan “win some lose some”
    > target 500 hockey 75-85 pts
    > season objectives – nurse/drai ahl develop, identify ahl prospect/suspect d, develop yak, goalie tandem looking for possible long term solution

    Hall (4 yrs) nuge (5 years) eberle (4 years)
    Pouliot (4 yrs) placeholder vet {Roy?} (1 yr) yak (2 yr bridge)
    Mps/Penner lander (6 yr deal 2 mil) horak
    Klink (1 yr) Gordon (1 yr) Hendricks (1 yr)

    Marincin (6 yr 2 mil) fayne (2 yr)
    Klef Shultz (2 yr 3.5)
    Ference (2 yr) xxx

    Scrivens/another not pricey upcoming tender

    Does that get you there? Not the playoffs but depending But I do think it gives you some flexibility. Buy out Purcell and nikitin even wouldn’t hurt and gives you cap leverage. If drai and nurse knock it out of the park at the deadline send Roy and Ference away and finish season. Feel free to take on some overpays to help cap troubled teams but do so only if near nhl ready prospects are coming back. I see little sense mortgaging too hard next year in sending out marincin or whatever for another d yet. If nurse takes Ference spot and you can get marincin on a longer term value deal, your left side is young and strong. Also relatively cheap. Yak on a two year still keeps him under control and if he breaks out then you make a decision on either paying eberle and him or not. Two more years should be clear.

    Lander just seems like a good bet on a cheaper long term deal.

  54. GCW_69 says:

    Ben:
    Personally I can’t wait to see Laleggia continue to deliver solid positional play and offensive acumen in the NCAA, sign a contract with the Oil, make the team full time in 2017, post positive possession numbers, and be run out of town by 2018.

    Sorry. Cynicism is oxygen in Oil country.

    He is Brad Hunt. He will rip up the AHL, causing the Marincin trade for magic beans and the Joey will end up getting killed at the NHL level because he is too small to do much more than Jultz against big league forwards.

    Breathing deep…

  55. GCW_69 says:

    Lowetide: I think the Oilers are making a mistake on him. He should be in stockton. Down arrow but more organization than player.

    There are those that would argue Stockton is the right place, even if the Oiler ECHL team is in Bakersfield.

  56. PhrankLee says:

    I love Pitlick but he reminds me of an old truck we used to use on the farm up by the Chisholm corner. It was a 30’s Ford. Heavy and no instrumentation. When it ran it worked all day every day. But if a kid walked by with an ice cream cone it needed a boost. (was a crank start but we retro fitted a starter)

    Prone to injury is one thing. Having season ending injury after season ending injury every season is a tell. Plus there is a serious concussion history. He appears to have a skeleton made of shredded wheat.

  57. GCW_69 says:

    oliveoilers: Very good article that very likely pin-points exactly when the shit show started.

    The rushed through trade of Pronger – could it be that Lowe was actually trying to be a nice guy and send him where he wanted to go – and the subsequent low-balling by Anaheim.

    What if Lowe played hard-ball and insisted CFP stay until a deal for equal or slightly lesser value could have been done?

    Now the diminishing returns on our players are like ever decreasing circles from a stone tossed in a lake.

    I think the words that best describe our beloved team are erosion, atrophy, apathy.

    Laughing stock?The people in the know in the hockey world stopped laughing at the last #1 pick.

    I have always wondered about that. He was under contract and was arguably the best defender in the league. I would have thought they could have gotten an impact player in return rather than going for quantity. I certainly would have been inclined to hold out longer.

    That said, no other real stars were traded that summer other than maybe Demitra.

  58. PhrankLee says:

    GCW_69,

    GCW_69: He was under contract and was arguably the best defender in the league.

    I would argue he was the best defender in the league without a shadow of a shred of even a sliver of doubt. Who even came close?

  59. jp says:

    PhrankLee:
    GCW_69,

    I would argue he was the best defender in the league without a shadow of a shred of even a sliver of doubt. Who even came close?

    Well, Nic Lidstrom won the Norris in 06, 07 and 08. And 01, 02, and 03. Oh, and 2011 too.

  60. razor says:

    Just saw this: http://albertaventure.com/2015/03/general-mismanager-edmonton-oilers-craig-mactavish-nhl/

    Alberta Venture is a powerful magazine in this province. This should get some play.

  61. Bank Shot says:

    GCW_69: I have always wondered about that. He was under contract and was arguably the best defender in the league.I would have thought they could have gotten an impact player in return rather than going for quantity. I certainly would have been inclinedto hold out longer.

    That said,no other real stars were traded that summer other than maybe Demitra.

    Has there been a star for star trade in the NHL since the inception of the salary cap?

    I can’t think of one off the top of my head.

    The biggest problem with the trade was that Lupul wasn’t who they thought he was. Ditto on Smid although perhaps his development was hurt by being rushed into the NHL to showcase the Pronger return.

    Of all the things that went wrong all down the line, I’m not sure that we can point at the return for Pronger as a big reason for the Oilers downfall.

    Had they gotten a single young impact player that guy would have likely fled to free agency by now.

  62. Jordan says:

    PhrankLee:
    GCW_69,

    I would argue he was the best defender in the league without a shadow of a shred of even a sliver of doubt. Who even came close?

    jp: Well, Nic Lidstrom won the Norris in 06, 07 and 08. And 01, 02, and 03. Oh, and 2011 too.

    That guy he played with in Anaheim wasn’t too bad either. What was his name? Scott Niedermayer? But he only won a Norris and a Con Smythe.

  63. PhrankLee says:

    Jordan: GCW_69,
    I would argue he was the best defender in the league without a shadow of a shred of even a sliver of doubt. Who even came close?
    jp: Well, Nic Lidstrom won the Norris in 06, 07 and 08. And 01, 02, and 03. Oh, and 2011 too.
    That guy he played with in Anaheim wasn’t too bad either. What was his name? Scott Niedermayer? But he only won a Norris and a Con Smythe.
      (Quote)  (Reply)

    I still value Pronger above both those guys. Excellent arguments with the trophies and stuff, admitted.

    Somehow, for me, neither one could put an above average team on their backs and drag them into the final. Pronger did it twice. As an outside hire.

    Passed over for trophies, imo, for his suspensions and general nastiness, disagreeable by nature stance.

  64. Ca$h-Money! says:

    GCW_69: He is Brad Hunt.He will rip up the AHL,causing the Marincin trade for magic beans and the Joey will end up getting killed at the NHL level because he is too small to do much more than Jultz against big league forwards.

    Breathing deep…

    Maybe. Hunt’s problem is his skating, and I haven’t heard that Joey is a bad skater.

    Joey is bigger than Torey Krug, and is putting up more points than he did in college.

    Longshot, absolutely. But perfectly reasonable to be excited about his potential.

  65. GCW_69 says:

    Bank Shot: Has there been a star for star trade in the NHL since the inception of the salary cap?

    I can’t think of one off the top of my head.

    The biggest problem with the trade was that Lupul wasn’t who they thought he was.Ditto on Smidalthough perhaps his development was hurt by being rushed into the NHL to showcase the Pronger return.

    Of all the things that went wrong all down the line,I’m not sure that we can point at the return for Pronger as a big reason for the Oilers downfall.

    Had they gotten a single young impact player that guy would have likely fled to free agency by now.

    He was traded on July 3rd. They didn’t wait very long.

  66. Surly says:

    razor:
    Just saw this: http://albertaventure.com/2015/03/general-mismanager-edmonton-oilers-craig-mactavish-nhl/

    Alberta Venture is a powerful magazine in this province. This should get some play.

    Thank you for sharing:

    ” their record speaks for itself. In a corporate environment, they’d be gone.”

    That’s Gold Jerry…gold!

  67. Lois Lowe says:

    Ca$h-Money!: Maybe.Hunt’s problem is his skating, and I haven’t heard that Joey is a bad skater.

    Joey is bigger than Torey Krug, and is putting up more points than he did in college.

    Longshot, absolutely.But perfectly reasonable to be excited about his potential.

    I was at Orientation Camp this summer. Laleggia was the best skater there. He has NHL speed already.

  68. rickithebear says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    Conner McDavid with 2G 3A 5P tonight.

    Now with 107P in 40GP.

    Yikes!

    Marner less games to end of october.
    42gm 39G 65A 104P +38 2.48 PPG
    Age NHLE 126PT

    Mcdavid
    40gm 39G 68A 107P +47 2.68 PPG
    Age NHLE 124PT

  69. russ99 says:

    I think you have to go down arrows with Pitlick.

    He’s a good prospect and has a decent shot at an NHL job, but he just can’t stay healthy.

  70. Lynas1 says:

    Not going to say that either Moroz or Khaira were ever going to be offensive threats, but I’d temper my disappointment with the idea that if these two play with an offensive black hole like Ewanyk, they’re going to look even worse.

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