LEAFS AT OILERS, G70 2014-15

The Edmonton Oilers host the Toronto Maple Leafs tonight, in what may be the first game of ‘you take it, no thanks’ hockey between the two teams. GMs on both sides of the ice won’t be actively cheering for a regulation loss but that result would be very helpful. The current standings have the Leafs and the Oilers in the impact player area and a little luck might change the destiny of one of these once proud franchises.

standings mar 15This is the treasure map, ladies. Toronto must shoot blanks for 12 more games in an effort to own the No. 4 option heading into the lottery. That seems easy enough—they look like the concept of the game escapes them many nights. Edmonton has mastered the ability to lose actual motor skills on the ice and have a legit shot at No. 30 overall. Although the prize is larger for the Edmontons, it’s also true that Arizona no longer serves solid food to their troops and have taken their boots. This could get bloody before April. If I’m a betting man, the season ends:

  • No. 30: Buffalo
  • No. 29: Arizona
  • No. 28: Edmonton
  • No. 27: Toronto

which will be followed by New Jersey winning the draft lottery.

PLAYERS CARDS, FORWARDS (STATS.HOCKEYANALYSIS, BEHIND THE NET, WAR ON ICE)

PLAYER BOXCARS CORSI FOR % OZ STARTS 5X5 PER 60 5×4 PER 60
TAYLOR HALL 42, 11-19-30 51.1 58.7 1.87 2.70
JORDAN EBERLE 68, 18-34-52 50.7 64.7 1.83 5.90
RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS 67, 19-28-47 50.4 62.9 1.74 3.88
DEREK ROY 33, 8-9-17 48.4 61.8 1.67 3.16
BENOIT POULIOT 45, 14-8-22 50.5 60.5 1.50 3.31
ANTON LANDER 25, 5-7-12 47.6 53.7 1.32 6.70 (woi)
MATT FRASER 27, 3-4-7 45.4 50.4 1.30
NAIL YAKUPOV 68, 11-14-25 45.6 64.2 1.09 2.77
TEDDY PURCELL 69, 9-19-28 49.7 59.1 1.07 3.82
ROB KLINKHAMMER 28, 1-2-3 48.6 36.5 0.83
BOYD GORDON 64, 6-6-12 42.4 19.8 0.82
LUKE GAZDIC 31, 2-1-3 45.8 60.4 0.82
MATT HENDRICKS 62, 7-8-15 44.9 19.7 0.81
IIRO PAKARINEN 17, 1-2-3 48.0 61.1 0.38
RYAN HAMILTON 14, 1-1-2 38.5 43.5 0.36

These numbers are always interesting but never moreso than the final days of the season. Eberle has done fine work late season and the Nuge has done some recovery work, too. Anton Lander’s first real crooked numbers are here, he’s okay at 5×5 and crazy 5×4 (that’s via War-on-Ice which is cheating but he doesn’t show up yet at StatsHA). I’d love to see Yakupov hit 35 points before the end of the year but this little run has been fun no matter the rest. We all talk about the good works of Gordon’s line but I wanted to point out that Teddy Purcell hasn’t been playing with Gretzky/Kurri and he has 28 points on what has basically been the third line.

PLAYERS CARDS, BLUE (STATS.HOCKEYANALYSIS, BEHIND THE NET, WAR ON ICE)

PLAYER BOXCARS CORSI FOR % OZ STARTS 5X5 PER 60 QCOMP
JUSTIN SCHULTZ 68, 5-22-27 50.2 63.4 0.84 No. 7
OSCAR KLEFBOM 47, 2-12-14 49.8 56.1 0.69 No. 5
MARTIN MARINCN 28, 0-1-1 48.5 45.5 0.14 No. 1
NIKITA NIKITIN 34 3-5-8 48.5 52.0 0.47 No. 3
MARK FAYNE 69, 2-6-8 45.9 43.3 0.35 No. 2
KEITH AULIE 21, 0-0-0 45.6 42.8 0.00 No. 6
ANDREW FERENCE 66, 3-9-12 45.0 40.8 0.59 No. 4

This is sorted by Corsi for, Oilers are interesting because the ZS push and soft parade go to Klefbom-Schultz who are the only pairing at 50% Corsi (or so). Is that more impressive than Ference, who gets the tough ZS’s, has a less than tragic Corsi, and manages to post a 5×5/60 in the range with Klefbom? The Schultz pairing needs to deliver more next season with 60% ZS’s and soft competition. That’s kinda nuts, you can’t get a better situation in the NHL. When we talked earlier this year about Justin Schultz being the hill they die on, we were at least partly kidding. Now? I’m not so sure. Coach killers come in different packages.

LOWETIDE TOP 10, 2015 DRAFT

      1. (1)C Connor McDavid, Erie Otters (OHL) Has anyone produced like this as a 17-year old? Ever????
      2. (2)C Jack Eichel, Boston U (NCAA) Franchise center caught in a generational draft.
      3. (3)R Mitch Marner, London Knights (OHL) There’s just too much, folks. Big offense.
      4. (5)D Noah Hanifin, Boston College (NCAA) Best of a deep crop of two-way defenders.
      5. (4)C Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (OHL) Big center, crazy skill. What an outstanding draft.
      6. (6) D Ivan Provorov, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) Incredible offense but he can also defend.
      7. (7) D Zach Werenski, Michigan (NCAA) Another fine two-way teenager. Lordy.
      8. (8) C Mathew Barzal, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) Exceptional talent, may end up top 5 on final list.
      9. (8) D Oliver Kylington, Farjestad (SHL). Complete defenseman, someone is going to get a major talent.
      10. (11) C Nick Merkley, Kelowna Rockets (WHL) Wonderful play-making center. Size an issue.

I think the Oilers will select someone in the top five as listed here, Corey Pronman mentioned last week hearing Edmonton liked Marner a bunch and that’s fine by me. Tonight’s game is bizarro world really, the Oilers are best served by losing and yet this is a very winnable game. If the Oilers are slated to draft No. 3 and Edmonton No. 5, would the Oilers moved down two spots if Bernier was available in a deal? Kadri? I doubt it. The pick this summer could alter this franchise’s destiny for 15 years. Epic. Giants walk among us—and they’re babies!

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THE 50-MAN LIST (AN ATTEMPT)

I was asked about this yesterday and will attempt to compile the current list (with RFA/UFA noted). This is an important list because the sheer number of potential contracts coming online is enormous. Blame the 2013 draft, the aggressiveness of Bob Green, the new GM. There will be blood!

  1. G Ben Scrivens (signed to one more year at $2.3M)
  2. G Viktor Fasth (UFA)
  3. G Richard Bachman (UFA)
  4. G Laurent Brossoit
  5. G Tyler Bunz (RFA)
  6. G Frans Tuohimaa (RFA)
  7. D Nikita Nikitin (signed to one more year at $4.5M)
  8. D Justin Schultz (RFA)
  9. D Mark Fayne (signed to three more years, $3.625M cap hit)
  10. D Andrew Ference (signed to two more years, $3.25M cap hit)
  11. D Oscar Klefbom (one more year of entry-level deal, $1.244M cap hit)
  12. D Martin Marincin (RFA)
  13. D Keith Aulie (RFA)
  14. D Brad Hunt (RFA)
  15. D Jordan Oesterle
  16. D Brandon Davidson (RFA)
  17. D Dillon Simpson
  18. D Martin Gernat
  19. D David Musil
  20. D Darnell Nurse (Slide rule, but not for next season)
  21. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkin
  22. C Derek Roy (UFA)
  23. C Anton Lander (RFA)
  24. C Boyd Gordon
  25. C Leon Draisaitl
  26. C Bogdan Yakimov
  27. C Jujhar Khaira
  28. C Travis Ewanyk
  29. C Kellen Lain (RFA)
  30. L Taylor Hall
  31. L Benoit Pouliot
  32. L Matt Hendricks
  33. L Luke Gazdic
  34. L Matt Fraser (RFA)
  35. L Ryan Hamilton
  36. L Curtis Hamilton (RFA)
  37. L Jesse Joensuu (UFA, he’s gone for sure at season’s end)
  38. L Mitch Moroz
  39. L Kale Kessy
  40. R Jordan Eberle
  41. R Nail Yakupov
  42. R Teddy Purcell
  43. R Rob Klinkhammer
  44. R Iiro Pakarinen
  45. R Tyler Pitlick (RFA)
  46. R Steve Pinizzotto (UFA)
  47. R Greg Chase (Slide rule, but not for next season)
  48. R Andrew Miller (RFA)

I believe that’s correct. Now, the important stuff is how many UFA and RFA’s are on this list and who is coming back. Here’s a very quick glance at the nuts and bolts (Oilers currently at 46 if my math is correct, remember the slide rule deals don’t come into play until the new league year).

  • 5 UFA’s: Viktor Fasth, Richard Bachman,Derek Roy, Jesse Joensuu, Steve Pinizzotto.
  • 13 RFA’s: Tyler Bunz, Frans Tuohimaa, Justin Schultz, Martin Marincin, Keith Aulie, Brad Hunt, Brandon Davidson, Anton Lander, Kellen Lain, Matt Fraser, Curtis Hamilton, Tyler Pitlick, Andrew Miller.
  • 2 Slide Rules: Darnell Nurse, Greg Chase.

So, if Edmonton cast out all of their RFA’s and UFA’s they would have 30 players under contract for 2015-16. We all know they won’t do that, I would suggest the following players will be signed:

  1. C Derek Roy (UFA)
  2. D Justin Schultz (RFA)
  3. D Martin Marincin (RFA)
  4. D Keith Aulie (RFA)
  5. D Brad Hunt (RFA)
  6. D Brandon Davidson (RFA)
  7. C Anton Lander (RFA)
  8. L Matt Fraser (RFA)
  9. R Tyler Pitlick (RFA)
  10. R Andrew Miller (RFA)

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So that gets us to 40. Now, your mileage may vary but that’s not important right now. We can quibble about that later, let’s have a look at the players who could/must be signed and see how quickly this thing rolls from 40 to 50:

  1. D Joey Laleggia (must be signed, he’s a college senior, or he’s a free agent)
  2. R John McCarron (must be signed, he’s a college senior, or he’s a free agent)
  3. L Daniil Zharkov (no idea about his signing restrictions but team does own his rights)
  4. C Marco Roy (he’s done in junior and not yet signed. Window is closing)
  5. L Anton Slepyshev (I believe they retain his rights even if he doesn’t sign but this is the natural spot)
  6. R Jackson Houck (signs or re-enters)
  7. C Kyle Platzer (signs of re-enters)
  8. D Ben Betker (signs or re-enters)
  9. G Matt O’Connor (Oilers are apparently very interested)
  10. At least one Euro free agent (D or G is my guess)

It doesn’t take long to get to 50, folks. Edmonton’s 2015-16 50-man list will see major turnover. I don’t think Curtis Hamilton, Matt Fraser, Tyler Pitlick, Andrew Miller, Brad Hunt are locks for the 50. We haven’t even discussed men like Josh Winquist or the Jones boys OR the NHL free agent acquisitions. Major change coming to the 50 man.

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 LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

10 this morning, TSN 1260. We start the week with the Leafs in town but also with a new champion in our city! Scheduled to appear:

  • Scott Burnside, ESPN. We’ll talk Kings, Blues and the exhaustion shown by teams like Chicago and Boston.
  • Corey Graham, Oil Kings PBP. Memorial Cup champions made it back to the playoffs! Facing Brandon? Gack!
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. Scott bring us the thinking man’s guide to tonight’s Oilers—Leafs game.
  • Ryan Marsh, Oil Kings Coach. Mr. Marsh was a Golden Bears coach for the last national title, we’ll discuss the feeling of winning it all!

10-1260 text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. I’m surrounded by champions!

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  1. PhrankLee says:

    I am impressed more and more with Pouliot. Not only to get his lukewarm point production going offensively but he has not taken a bonehead penalty in the attacking zone for a while.

    His discipline is much better. God I’m thankful to have him at the term we do. A near perfect signing imo. (for this team at this time)

  2. Lowetide says:

    PhrankLee:
    I am impressed more and more with Pouliot. Not only to get his lukewarm point production going offensively but he has not taken a bonehead penalty in the attacking zone for a while.

    His discipline is much better. God I’m thankful to have him at the term we do. A near perfect signing imo. (for this team at this time)

    Pouliot was an inspired signing imo, right up there with Gordon. Like the Fayne signing too.

  3. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lowetide: Pouliot was an inspired signing imo, right up there with Gordon. Like the Fayne signing too.

    The guy he replaced, David Perron, has 17 goals and 40 points while Pouliot has 16 goals and 24 points.

    And Pouliot is two years older than Perron.

    One step forward and two steps back.

  4. Tire Fire says:

    NYCOIL "Taking Photos":

    … next week I will be out in New Mexico learning photography from Sam Abell, which to me would be like learning hockey from Yvan Cournoyer so I am very excited for that.

    Sam Abell, really? Well, now I’ve decided I’m going to hate you with an uninspiring—but unrelenting—jealousy.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Dashingsilverfox: The guy he replaced, David Perron, has 17 goals and 40 points while Pouliot has 16 goals and 24 points.

    And Pouliot is two years older than Perron.

    One step forward and two steps back.

    Pouliot didn’t replace Perron. They were teammates until January.

  6. unca miltie says:

    Lowetide: Pouliot didn’t replace Perron. They were teammates until January.

    dsf is back..twisted truth

  7. jp says:

    Halfwise: They lack the years of experience of their opponents this evening.

    Heh, I was going to add something to that effect, but decided against it.

  8. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Dashingsilverfox: The guy he replaced, David Perron, has 17 goals and 40 points while Pouliot has 16 goals and 24 points.

    And Pouliot is two years older than Perron.

    One step forward and two steps back.

    the guy he replaced, David Perron had 19P in 38 with Edmonton. 21P in 31 with the best player in the world. also neglect the 23 games played difference

    fairly new here, but wow have I noticed you sure are selective about your numbers. Paint whatever tale you want!

  9. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lowetide: Pouliot didn’t replace Perron. They were teammates until January.

    Pouliot bumped Perron to the 3rd line,,,devaluing the asset.

    Perron’s career high is 57 points.

    Pouliot’s career high is 36 points.

    The Oilers switched a 26 year old 57 point scorer for a 28 year old 36 point scorer.

    Their cap hit is about the same.

    That’s not inspired….it’s dumb.

  10. LadiesloveSmid says:

    PhrankLee:
    I am impressed more and more with Pouliot. Not only to get his lukewarm point production going offensively but he has not taken a bonehead penalty in the attacking zone for a while.

    His discipline is much better. God I’m thankful to have him at the term we do. A near perfect signing imo. (for this team at this time)

    would be more impressed if he weren’t shooting close to 20%

    though at his career average, over 82GP, thats still 20 goals.

  11. Dashingsilverfox says:

    LadiesloveSmid: the guy he replaced, David Perron had 19P in 38 with Edmonton. 21P in 31 with the best player in the world. also neglect the 23 games played difference

    fairly new here, but wow have I noticed you sure are selective about your numbers. Paint whatever tale you want!

    David Perron is a better hockey player than Benoit Pouliot…and he’s 2 years younger.

    Make your case.

  12. G Money says:

    Dashingsilverfox: The guy he replaced, David Perron, has 17 goals and 40 points while Pouliot has 16 goals and 24 points.

    I actually laughed out loud at this one.

    Ah. Classic DSF.

  13. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Pouliot bumped Perron to the 3rd line,,,devaluing the asset.

    Perron’s career high is 57 points.

    Pouliot’s career high is 36 points.

    The Oilers switched a 26 year old 57 point scorer for a 28 year old 36 point scorer.

    Their cap hit is about the same.

    That’s not inspired….it’s dumb.

    What was Edmonton going to do with Perron? Play him in another tank year then let him walk/cash him in for pennies at the deadlines? Offer an alternative to replacing Perron with Pouliot and I’m all ears.

    Cap hit is the same, term isn’t. Quality of teammates and TOI sure hasn’t been.

  14. Dashingsilverfox says:

    LadiesloveSmid: would be more impressed if he weren’t shooting close to 20%

    though at his career average, over 82GP, thats still 20 goals.

    Perron has scored more than 20 goals 3 times.

    Pouliot, despite being 2 years older, never has…. once.

  15. wheatnoil says:

    G Money: I actually laughed out loud at this one.

    Ah.Classic DSF.

    He was a little rusty at first, I thought, but now he’s in mid-season form.

  16. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Tire Fire: Sam Abell, really? Well, now I’ve decided I’m going to hate you with an uninspiring—but unrelenting—jealousy.

    Yup. Really. Sometimes I pinch myself too.

  17. LadiesloveSmid says:

    G Money: I actually laughed out loud at this one.

    Ah.Classic DSF.

    I recall him saying Hanzal would require Eberle+2014 1st from him so I don’t know if I’m arguing with a wall or what here

  18. Dashingsilverfox says:

    LadiesloveSmid: What was Edmonton going to do with Perron? Play him in another tank year then let him walk/cash him in for pennies at the deadlines? Offer an alternative to replacing Perron with Pouliot and I’m all ears.

    Cap hit is the same, term isn’t. Quality of teammates and TOI sure hasn’t been.

    Perron had a year+ left on his contract.

    Replacing him with a downgrade on a 4 year contract at the same dollars is just stupid.

  19. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    You know signing Pouliot (good move) and trading Perron didn’t need to be mutually exclusive move, even though the day we signed Pouliot I called a Perron trade. Would have been better to keep both and not pay Nikitin but oh well. #bebecauseoilers

  20. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Perron had a year+ left on his contract.

    Replacing him with a downgrade on a 4 year contract at the same dollars is just stupid.

    and he’d have a heroic tank campaign next year before demanding 5.5M and walking. Hands get tied when you’re tanking.

    again, alternative? watch him walk? settle for a 2nd rounder next deadline? sign the other free agent banging on edmonton’s door?

  21. LadiesloveSmid says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”:
    You know signing Pouliot (good move) and trading Perron didn’t need to be mutually exclusive move,even though the day we signed Pouliot I called a Perron trade. Would have been better to keep both and not pay Nikitin but oh well. #bebecauseoilers

    if they were to compete next year, absolutely. Not really close at all. He’d be gone july 2016.

  22. Lowetide says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”:
    You know signing Pouliot (good move) and trading Perron didn’t need to be mutually exclusive move,even though the day we signed Pouliot I called a Perron trade. Would have been better to keep both and not pay Nikitin but oh well. #bebecauseoilers

    This.

  23. G Money says:

    LadiesloveSmid: I recall him saying Hanzal would require Eberle+2014 1st from him so I don’t know if I’m arguing with a wall or what here

    He’s good for a laugh occasionally – his stats are so cooked they’re laughably easy to counter. Only DSF would have the gall to present a player who has played 20 more games, all those and more on Sidney Crosby’s wing, and still compare the points straight across with no other context.

    He’ll also regularly throw out stats about players no one on this blog cares the least about, as if he’s presenting some new and valuable information. Maybe to him it is?

    Anyway, that’s his shtick. He likes to hijack threads and get people arguing over his nonsense.

    It’s the very definition of a troll, though he is certainly more eloquent than most. I have at times seriously questioned his mental health, since in 30 years of doing this, I’ve never actually run across a troll with his stamina.

    It’s pathetically impressive and impressively pathetic, all wrapped up in one delightful package.

    Best advice as always – don’t feed the troll. Once people wise to his game, he usually leaves.

  24. Tire Fire says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: Yup. Really. Sometimes I pinch myself too.

    I wonder if DSF ever got all giddy and excited about a trip to study under a famous internet troll? Gods, I hope he isn’t the Sam Abell in this scenario…

  25. Bank Shot says:

    If the Oilers had traded MPS and a second for a good defenseman the Oilers might not be in this mess in the first place.

    But in Mact’s infinite wisdom a team can never have too many wingers, at the expense of everything else.

  26. G Money says:

    Apropos of absolutely nothing, does anyone remember Cotton aka Cotton Eyed Joe?

    Tall guy that used to jump in the aisle at Oilers and Eskimos games and dance spastically whenever C.E.J came on over the sound system?

  27. LadiesloveSmid says:

    G Money: He’s good for a laugh occasionally – his stats are so cooked they’re laughably easy to counter.Only DSF would have the gall to present a player who has played 20 more games, all those and more on Sidney Crosby’s wing, and still compare the points straight across with no other context.

    He’ll also regularly throw out stats about players no one on this blog cares the least about, as if he’s presenting some new and valuable information.Maybe to him it is?

    Anyway, that’s his shtick.He likes to hijack threads and get people arguing over his nonsense.

    It’s the very definition of a troll, though he is certainly more eloquent than most.I have at times seriously questioned his mental health, since in 30 years of doing this, I’ve never actually run across a troll with his stamina.

    It’s pathetically impressive and impressively pathetic, all wrapped up in one delightful package.

    Best advice as always – don’t feed the troll.Once people wise to his game, he usually leaves.

    seems to like being unanimously disliked and being painted in to corners when his arguments run thin

    seems as though most are too smart to engage. my bad. will (try to) refrain

  28. striker says:

    You know what I really hate…depth…it always devalues my assets…

    By the way, you guys hear how good Parise, Voracek, Seguin, Landeskog, Galchenyuk, Nichushkin, and Sam Bennet are doing these days?

    Damnit, forgot to refrain again.

  29. Lois Lowe says:

    DSF is okay in my books. Life is more interesting when he’s around. After all, the world needs sophists.

  30. Lowetide says:

    DSF is welcome here. He has bias about things, as do I, but if you hang around these parts long enough it’ll become clear that he has value to the group. DSF keeps us honest. He’s not perfect, then again none of us are.

  31. SwedishPoster says:

    In a short interview with swedish media after tonights game Anton Lander mentioned that the Oilers have told him to get an appartament in Edmonton so he’s highly likely to stay on for next season, no surprises but still some confirmation. He was careful to poitn out he took nothing for granted and had to keep working to stay in the NHL.
    The swedish NT coach is also coming to Edmonton for a few days, I assume to look at him and Klefbom. Lander says if asked he without a doubt will go to the World Championships. Also said the win was a relief and that while not playing for a playoff spot the team is playing for their honour.

  32. edwards_daddy says:

    I see Nuge has passed Backes and Plekanec is the 3C scoring race. Just 3 points behind some real quality third liners – Kopitar and Brassard.

  33. Eastern Oil says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Great stuff, thank you very much for that. I have always been a Lander fan and to see him emerge as a very good depth player with special teams upside is fantastic. It will be interesting to see where he fits next year but it sounds like a contract offer may be coming.

    Re: Klef as well, as Bruce mentioned in his player grades, he had one of his “good” nights. With these you really see a glimpse of his natural ability. There is certainly a player here.

  34. Eastern Oil says:

    I may be late to the party here (ON member so I missed the 3rd period) but although I really like Ryan Hamilton’s effort, he is certainly not an NHL player. He never takes a shift off but at this point I wonder if his position on the team would be better served with a callup.

    I don’t know how the emergency rules work, but if Fraser is out with a concussion, is there an opportunity to bring someone up without hitting that last callup? I am not sure at what point an emergency callup situation is warranted.

  35. jp says:

    Eastern Oil:

    I don’t know how the emergency rules work, but if Fraser is out with a concussion, is there an opportunity to bring someone up without hitting that last callup? I am not sure at what point an emergency callup situation is warranted.

    Thank you Nazem Kadri?!?

    Hopefully Fraser is OK though. I’m not sure he has a future as an Oiler, but you never like to see guys hurt.

    What a needless hit by Kadri.

  36. Eastern Oil says:

    jp,

    I believe you took my comment the wrong way, but with my poor choice of using the word “opportunity” I certainly deserved it. I meant it as an opportunity to see another player but certainly one we would prefer not to have, as you never want to see someone hurt.

    You are 100% correct though, absolutely needless.

  37. Ca$h-Money! says:

    jp: Thank you Nazem Kadri?!?

    Hopefully Fraser is OK though. I’m not sure he has a future as an Oiler, but you never like to see guys hurt.

    What a needless hit by Kadri.

    I wasn’t tuned in at that point of the game, but I watched the hit this morning on sportsnet. I could be alone here but it didn’t look like that vicious of a hit, more like Kadri was (stupidly) trying to go around him and ran out of space. It even look like he immediately apologized afterwards.

    Still dumb, don’t get me wrong, but didn’t seem like there was any intent there. Regardless, hate to see that happen to a guy, hopefully he’s ok.

  38. skidplate says:

    DSF, I think you need to check your blood sugar. I notice a distinct change in your personality. Exercise and a good diet will help as well.

  39. PhrankLee says:

    That was so nice. I can walk the streets of Toronto today and chirp the living hell out of my neighbors. Finally.

    I’ve read DSF and everyone else here for some years. We see troll/foil as valuable at least to the conversation. Others above are trying, without success, to rile the faithful. But not really a troll,

    This guy, though…

    edwards_daddy: I see Nuge has passed Backes and Plekanec is the 3C scoring race. Just 3 points behind some real quality third liners – Kopitar and Brassard.

    Now I disagree with this assessment(trolling) of RNH. He is actually the leagues best 2C. By a country mile. Imagine what this team looks like with him settled into 2C territory…. I think that is the real golden ticket. Joe Thornton may need a place to play out his ridiculous contract..

    Once we stop asking EVERYONE to play above their actual depth we will turn North, hear music.

  40. Pouzar says:

    And there’s Captain bringing up the Corgi rear (-10).
    And the kid with no name doin his thing (+6).

    Matched the eyes to me.

    And that bum who replaced Perron was pretty decent too.

  41. theres oil in virginia says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”:
    You know signing Pouliot (good move) and trading Perron didn’t need to be mutually exclusive move,even though the day we signed Pouliot I called a Perron trade. Would have been better to keep both and not pay Nikitin but oh well. #bebecauseoilers

    Well, yes and no. Paying Nikitin hasn’t looked good, but MacT is trying to fill the void at D, which I think most agree is what needs to happen. The problem is that he’s been trying the “secondary” market (Nikitin, Belov, etc), and those guys just aren’t good enough, due to the gaping void at the top of the Oilers D-lineup. There are very few guys moving around that could be considered “primary” market, and those guys have to be paid until they’re 40. No thanks. In the meantime, it seems fairly obvious that Perron had breathed enough burning tire and was ready to move on, so MacT maximized the asset. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

  42. GCW_69 says:

    Lowetide: Pouliot didn’t replace Perron. They were teammates until January.

    I would argue he did. While they were team mates, Pouliot got a good chunk of his minutes with quality line mates and contributed to Perron’s being traded.

    That they were team mates for a while should not discount the impact on Perron’s usage and eventual trade.

  43. SwedishPoster says:

    Ca$h-Money!: I wasn’t tuned in at that point of the game, but I watched the hit this morning on sportsnet.I could be alone here but it didn’t look like that vicious of a hit, more like Kadri was (stupidly) trying to go around him and ran out of space.It even look like he immediately apologized afterwards.

    Still dumb, don’t get me wrong, but didn’t seem like there was any intent there.Regardless, hate to see that happen to a guy, hopefully he’s ok.

    I actually disagree, to me it looks like right before impact he moves his body towards Fraser and throws out his arm ever so slightly to hit his head. Doesn’t really look like a guy trying to avoid a hit or squeeze past imo. He actually has some room if he moves towards the boards. I don’t think he came in with the intent to hit him in the head but to me it looks like he clumsily tries to be physical and hits a vulnerable player right in the melon, blindsided as well. Dangerous play.

    Should be a suspension either way since Frasers head is the primary point of contact, at least 2-3 games. Personally I think hits like that are dreadful and if I ran the NHL they would warrant 5-10 games. You can finish a guys career with a hit like that.

  44. GCW_69 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: and he’d have a heroic tank campaign next year before demanding 5.5M and walking. Hands get tied when you’re tanking.

    again, alternative? watch him walk? settle for a 2nd rounder next deadline? sign the other free agent banging on edmonton’s door?

    This is a crazy argument. They traded another actual NHL player for magic beans. At one point there were rumours that Perron would get you Anisimov. If they played him wisely to keep his point totals respectable and then traded him in the summer, there is no reason to believe they could not have gotten an actual top nine/top four NHL player in return. In fact, when this summer’s fire sale occurs with the team in cap hell, a guy like Perron with a reasonable cap hit could be worth a lot for teams looking to sell but stay competitive. Perron for Sharp, for example (trade restrictions not withstanding). If the team were to actually improve next year, it would improve the chances of the new guy re-signing (if he had a short term contract).

    Trading Perron for magic beans was not inspired. Setting up Perron to fail to show off your shiny new asset was not inspired. Paying Pouliot second line money to play on the third line would not have been inspired. Now Pouliot is playing where he paygrade says it should, but to think pushing Perron out the door wasn’t a foreseeable risk of signing Perron is naive.

    Why do you think Perron would have tanked next year? Its a contract year. Players almost always play their best in a contract year.

  45. Pouzar says:

    Pouliot to blame for Perron exit? WTF is going in this place? Good grief people.

  46. GCW_69 says:

    Pouzar:
    And there’s Captain bringing up the Corgi rear (-10).
    And the kid with no name doin his thing (+6).

    Matched the eyes to me.

    And that bum who replaced Perron was pretty decent too.

    I don’t think anyone is saying Pouliot is a bum. Perron delivers more offence, whereas Pouliot has a stronger two-way game. The Oilers don’t exactly light up the league offensively, so losing Perron’s offence should be a concern.

    The bigger issue with the Pouliot signing should be his position. MacT went into the free agent season deep on the wing and weak at centre and on defence. He added another winger and did didn’t do enough to help the D or 2C. Said winger ate into Perron’s quality minutes and the team sucked overall because MacT focused on a winger rather then where the areas of greatest need were. Now Perron is gone and much like the Paajarvi trade, MacT plugged one hole by creating another.

  47. GCW_69 says:

    Pouzar:
    Pouliot to blame for Perron exit? WTF is going in this place? Good grief people.

    Pouliot was a contributing factor, not to blame. If you didn’t wonder about the impact of signing Poultio on Perron then that’s naive. On a team has thin as the Oilers, there are only so many quality team mates and minutes to go around.

    Pouliot was a contributing factor in two ways – one, MacT should have signed a 2C instead of him, which contributed greatly to the teams on ice failures.. two – he impacted the line mates Perron got and what situations he played in.

  48. Yeti says:

    Happy thought of the day from Mirtle in the G&M:
    “Not only has Edmonton bungled its rebuild; it made rebuilding harder for everyone else.
    But at least the Oilers showed how not to do it.”
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/dysfunctional-oilers-offer-a-lesson-in-how-not-to-rebuild-a-team/article23489388/

  49. Pouzar says:

    GCW_69,

    I guess I am naïve and you have yet to prove anything.

  50. GCW_69 says:

    edwards_daddy:
    I see Nuge has passed Backes and Plekanec is the 3C scoring race. Just 3 points behind some real quality third liners – Kopitar and Brassard.

    Um, Derrick Brassard’s career stats scream 2C from start to finish. Passing Brassard is not a milestone moment.

  51. Kmart99 says:

    Just a quick reminder, if fans are looking for more offense from the 1RW the list is down to 4 players league wide this year. Maybe if he was the top offensive RW in the league the trade talk would stop. Hall may be the best player this team has but, because of his injuries, Eberle has provided the Oil with 21 more offensive points over the same time span. 276pts to 255pts. Injuries will always be a concern with Taylor me thinks.

  52. Ca$h-Money! says:

    GCW_69: Um, Derrick Brassard’s career stats scream 2C from start to finish.Passing Brassard is not a milestone moment.

    Fair enough. Bryan Little then? His number are Littleian?

  53. jp says:

    Eastern Oil,

    I understood your comment. Just trying to be cute.

  54. Kmart99 says:

    Nuge is 26th in scoring amongst centers. Still slightly disappointed in his results. Good numbers, but not 1C on many playoff teams…. If any. I’d like him to be (at least) around the 55 pt mark by this point.
    Hopefully he settles in nicely behind McEichel. But v Arz two more times right?

  55. jp says:

    SwedishPoster: I actually disagree, to me it looks like right before impact he moves his body towards Fraser and throws out his arm ever so slightly to hit his head. Doesn’t really look like a guy trying to avoid a hit or squeeze past imo. He actually has some room if he moves towards the boards. I don’t think he came in with the intent to hit him in the head but to me it looks like he clumsily tries to be physical and hits a vulnerable player right in the melon, blindsided as well. Dangerous play.

    Should be a suspension either way since Frasers head is the primary point of contact, at least 2-3 games. Personally I think hits like that are dreadful and if I ran the NHL they would warrant 5-10 games. You can finish a guys career with a hit like that.

    That’s my take too. He had room by the boards, and he could, you know, not had his elbow sticking out from his body.

    I wouldn’t call it vicious – he could have hit him harder – but it seemed to me like an avoidable elbow to the head that clearly knocked the recipient out.

  56. PhrankLee says:

    jp: I wouldn’t call it vicious

    But I would call it irresponsible. He should pay for this.

  57. Ryan says:

    GCW_69: Pouliot was a contributing factor, not to blame.If you didn’t wonder about the impact of signing Poultio on Perron then that’s naive.On a team has thin as the Oilers, there are only so many quality team mates and minutes to go around.

    Pouliot was a contributing factor in two ways – one, MacT should have signed a 2C instead of him, which contributed greatly to the teams on ice failures..two – he impacted the line mates Perron got and what situations he played in.

    Agreed. Not to be misconstrued, I do like both Pouliot and Perron as hockey players. Both have a skillset that is sorely lacking on this team. Yet, in both instances our rookie GM went shopping for high-end wingers while there was a gaping hole down the middle of the roster.

  58. rich says:

    Yeti,

    Thanks for sharing. Thoughtful article from a reasonable source. Love the way more and more people are calling Oiler’s management out.

    If only they really were under pressure though. We might not like the results, but until the man paying the bills decides it’s not acceptable it really doesn’t matter.

  59. Pouzar says:

    Ryan: Agreed.Not to be misconstrued, I do like both Pouliot and Perron as hockey players.Both have a skillset that is sorely lacking on this team.Yet, in both instances our rookie GM went shopping for high-end wingers while there was a gaping hole down the middle of the roster.

    It’s quite possible that MacT was being proactive here. He was reading the tea leaves
    and realized that Perron wasn’t long for EDM and that he could sign Pouliot now and parlay Perron into a useful piece. The Anisimov deal would have been just that type of piece but that fell through for any number of reported reasons (Anisimov shoulder injury, MacT cold feet…).

  60. spoiler says:

    GCW_69: Um, Derrick Brassard’s career stats scream 2C from start to finish.Passing Brassard is not a milestone moment.

    Um, he’s spoofing Kelly Hrudey, jackass.

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