BLUE JACKETS AT OILERS, G71 2014-15

The Edmonton Oilers’ lottery chances received a major push last night as the Buffalo Sabres collected two points in the tumult and turmoil battle for No. 30 overall. They will NOT write book about this race, ladies.

standings mar 17Man, what a race!!! All of Arizona, Edmonton and Buffalo have a chance to finish at No. 30 and the spot is worth literally millions. Each GM has a chance to turn certain professional extinction into a long, rich career as a successful executive. Building with 6’s and 7’s is one things, jacks and kings another, and the prize this year comes from the vault beyond the J’s and K’s! THIS is the good stuff.

  • Arizona winnable games: Buffalo, Buffalo
  • Edmonton winnable games: Columbus, Philadelphia
  • Buffalo winnable games: Arizona, Arizona, Columbus

The prize is so damn incredible! Edmonton could draft anywhere 1-4 at this point and have a chance at No. 1 if Eberle will just calm his stick!

Anton Lander is enjoying a nice run with the Oilers and hopefully it turns into a regular slot in the batting order for next season. Edmonton’s important openings for 2014-15 include up the middle (G, D, C) options and among players trying to make it from the AHL to NHL Lander is probably the most ready to make the leap. It’s worth looking back on his original scouting report from 2009:

      • Bob McKenzie: Lander is a two-way checking forward with excellent outside speed. He can make plays at full speed and controls the puck with a lot of confidence. A very unselfish player, Lander is always aware of where his teammates are and makes good crisp passes. He is a hard working forechecker, keeping his feet moving all the time. With a strong quick release wrist shot, he often uses d-men as a screen off the offensive rush. Lander drives the net hard with and without the puck and doesn’t quit on the puck until the whistle goes. Reliable and disciplined, he brings a consistent effort to the rink every game and always improves his team’s chances of winning a game. Will adapt and play any role given by coach.”

 

The lesson of Lander is patience. Wait five years and then wait another. I’d like to see the Oilers go get Magnus Paajarvi in the summer (maybe add Vladimir Sobotka in the deal) and see what speed can do on the bottom six F. Lander’s situation is encouraging for sure and it looks like he’s definitely part of the plan for next season. Swedish Poster dropped by this blog to pass along something from the media across the pond on Monday night/Tuesday morning: swedish poster  

Could it happen? Suspect not. However, Edmonton’s off-season list does involve improved depth and Paajarvi has about three seasons worth of NHL games behind him. If your 12-13-14F group this past fall was Jesse Joensuu, Will Acton and Bogdan Yakimov, maybe picking up a speedy two-way winger isn’t the worst idea.

 RECALL TODAY?

As of this writing, no recall from OKC. Andrew Miller would seem to be the obvious choice but there’s also Bogdan Yakimov (two goals last night) and the club may want to see Curtis Hamilton, too. Iiro Pakarinen and Tyler Pitlick would also be in the picture without injuries. Is Taylor Hall ready? THAT could impact the race for No. 30 in a big way.


This is (potentially) a very big deal and could be the beginning of a very lucrative summer for the Edmonton Oilers. If the cap is $72 million this coming season, some teams are going to have trouble getting under. There will/should be some Leddy/Boychuk deals during the off season even at $72 million. IF the player don’t use the inflator the NHL may go ahead anyway but that brings the very touchy escrow subject into the fray. If the cap were to end up around $68 million? Teams like the Oilers would have an absolute field day.

OILERS ESTIMATED ROSTER AND CAP 2015-16 ($59.219M—est)

LEFT WING (13.575M) CENTER (9.85M-EST) RIGHT WING (15.375M-EST)
TAYLOR HALL (6M) RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS (6M) JORDAN EBERLE (6M)
BENOIT POULIOT (4M)   NAIL YAKUPOV (3.5M-EST)
LEON DRAISAITL (.925M) ANTON LANDER (.850M-EST) TEDDY PURCELL (4.5M)
MATT HENDRICKS (1.85M) BOYD GORDON (3M) ROB KLINKHAMMER (.625M)
LUKE GAZDIC (.800M)   TYLER PITLICK (.750M)
     
LEFT DEFENSE (6.319M-EST)   RIGHT DEFENSE (11.8M)
OSCAR KLEFBOM (1.244M) JUSTIN SCHULTZ (3.675M-EST)
ANDREW FERENCE (3.25M) NIKITA NIKITIN (4.5M)
MARTIN MARINCIN (.900M-EST) MARK FAYNE (3.625M)
JORDAN OESTERLE (.925M)  
   
  GOAL (2.3M)  
     
  BEN SCRIVENS (2.3)  

Even with fairly substantial renewals of Yakupov and Schultz (no idea what their deals will look like) Edmonton will have about $10M to play with before buying out a Nikitin or offloading a Ference. It’s possible for the Oilers to take on two big contracts if the price is right. Possible targets? Chicago, Los Angeles, NY Rangers. There is great opportunity but also great danger. I’m thinking McDonagh and maybe the end up with Girardi. There should be an enormous opportunity to add a terrific top pairing defenseman, starting goaltender or veteran center. Maybe two of the three. This could be a key development for the Edmonton Oilers.

Ann Margret

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

10 this morning, TSN 1260. We’re changing format a little today, hour one will be a round table discussion focused on opinion.

  • Bruce McCurdy (Cult of Hockey) and Darcy McLeod (Because Oilers) join me at 10 for a one-hour discussion of all things Oilers. We’ll go in depth on surprises and disappointments, job performance, what can and should be changed and look forward to a very big summer.
  • Andrew Buchultz, 55-yard Line. Lots of changes in the CFL this off season, including a brand new commish! We’ll talk to Andrew just after 11.
  • Dan Auchenberg, Vimy Hockey. Quick turnarounds, confidence and the power of success.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. It’s going to be a blast!

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  1. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Corgis must be going crazy like a bacon wrapped mailman is knocking at the door.

  2. Suntory Hanzo says:

    flyfish1168,

    The Score had Pouliot with the goal.

  3. dangilitis says:

    Even if you are dubbed the professor for good reason, your save percentage has to significantly exceed your grade percentage if you want to make it in the nhl (Schultz or no Schultz as your last line of defence)

  4. gogliano says:

    flyfish1168: ESPN has Yak with the 2nd assist.

    Yeah, originally ESPN didn’t have it but now they do. Must be added to the official scoreline.

  5. Klima's_Bucket says:

    thejonrmcleod,

    Not on twitter.
    I just thought I’d try and get my name to link to a silly blog I write about my “other” team.

  6. thejonrmcleod says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    Corgis must be going crazy like a bacon wrapped mailman is knocking at the door.

    70% at even strength in favour of the Oilers.

  7. RexLibris says:

    thejonrmcleod: 70% at even strength in favour of the Oilers.

    Blue Jackets deploying the classic Parthian Hockey tactics, also known as Rope-A-Dope: let the opposition fire shots until their arms are too tired to life the sticks – then counterstrike quickly!

  8. thejonrmcleod says:

    Marincin getting a bit of love from Spector.

  9. HiddenDarts says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    HiddenDarts,

    Admittedly, my post would have been better if instead of “intelligence”, I used the term “cooperative thought”. Or “Groupthink”? Smart guys, yes, but I felt like a “differing opinion” might spice up the discussion.

    Go Wellwood! Wherever you are!

  10. HiddenDarts says:

    dangilitis,

    The book on Scrivens appears to be “shoot high, as he’s always down”.

    Of course on so many nights, the book on Scrivens is “shoot the puck at the net”.

  11. RexLibris says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    Marincin getting a bit of love from Spector.

    Spec probably heard that he spent a weekend holiday in Latvia.

  12. RicaGreaser says:

    Great Caesar’s Nugey-ness!!!

  13. PunjabiOil says:

    Eberle having a very solid campaign, especially since he was playing hurt the first few months not being able to lift the puck.

    Likewise, fantastic campaign for RNH. Demonstrating ability to drive the bus at evens without Hall.

    Pouliot didn’t get an assist, but he contributed to that goal with his forechecking.

    Not good for the greatest good battle. Columbus must have hit 5 or 6 posts.

  14. Pouzar says:

    PunjabiOil,

    Gotta keep Poo-RNH-Ebs together when Hall gets back.

  15. voxwah says:

    Hamilton with a beauty tankmode shot in close. Atta boy.

    ELPH!

  16. Captain's Log says:

    Holy shit what a beauty! That’s a 1st overall reaction and shot

  17. RicaGreaser says:

    Nelly <3 Yak. Yak <3 Nelly. Feeling it tonight.

  18. Captain's Log says:

    That’s two goals against where #86 is standing around without a man.

    Nikitin is Russian for Tank Master

    You really have to ask “what else was on the table for Nikitin?” Was someone else offering 2 x $4M? Or did MacT just start at 2 x $4.5M and get absolutely hustled?

  19. Lois Lowe says:

    I think we’ve learned that Lander can’t keep two AHL wingers afloat.

  20. rich says:

    Captain’s Log,

    Yup. Nikitin wanders, Lander ties his man up, Ference can’t move anyone off the block and you just need to put it on net.

    Nikitin is our secret weapon!

  21. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Captain's Log,

    Interesting how Yak and Nikitin are both plane manufacturers.

  22. SVR says:

    No one can tank like Scrivens. 3 goals on 15 shots. Wow

  23. HiddenDarts says:

    Captain's Log,

    I’d just like to note that Miller, with two strides to his left, can put his stick in the lane and that play is over. Instead he pulls an “also in photo”.

    Bad first impression, my man.

  24. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I think we’ve learned that Lander can’t keep two AHL wingers afloat.

    I think we have learned an AHL centre can’t keep two AHL wingers afloat.

    -3.

    Who knew?

  25. VanOil says:

    Oilers are battling there way out of the tank. Damn you hockey Fonzie damn you.

  26. VanOil says:

    Dashingsilverfox: I think we have learned an AHL centre can’t keep two AHL wingers afloat.

    -3.

    Who knew?

    I would actually count an all AHL 3d line of Paajarvi-Lander-Iiro next year as a major improvement on the 3d lines of supposed NHL players the Oilers have iced for recent memory.

  27. Captain's Log says:

    SVR:
    No one can tank like Scrivens. 3 goals on 15 shots. Wow

    Can you truly fault Scrivens much tonight?

    1) Savard walks in unmarked and puts it just under the bar.
    2) Johansen has all day in the circle with Hartnell putting up a good screen
    3) Letetsu off the post with about 4 bodies in between him and Scrivens

  28. Suntory Hanzo says:

    There was a Lt. Nikitin in WWII and he was a tank commander.

    You can’t make this stuff up. You can visit the tank in the town it liberated.

    …stupid ipad won’t paste the link.

  29. Dashingsilverfox says:

    VanOil: I would actually count an all AHL 3d line of Paajarvi-Lander-Iiro next year as a major improvement on the 3d lines of supposed NHL players the Oilers have iced for recent memory.

    Maybe…but my god that is an awful line.

  30. rich says:

    Wow, Klefbom got undressed on that one.

  31. Captain's Log says:

    Dashingsilverfox: I think we have learned an AHL centre can’t keep two AHL wingers afloat.

    -3.

    Who knew?

    Go away DSF. You’re boundless negativity and pessimism is so annoying. LT’s is supposed to be a place of actual discussion. Go back to HF if you want to whine incessantly.

  32. SVR says:

    Captain’s Log,

    I’d put him in the not part of the solution camp, along with Nikitin, Ference, and Schultz

  33. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Captain’s Log: Go away DSF. You’re boundless negativity and pessimism is so annoying. LT’s is supposed to be a place of actual discussion. Go back to HF if you want to whine incessantly.

    Perhaps, if you’re interested in “actual discussion” you shouldn’t tell those who disagree with you to “go away”.

  34. Lowetide says:

    Let’s all get along, shall we? Oilers are in 28th now. Le sigh.

  35. Captain's Log says:

    This blog needs an ignore function.

    Dashingsilverfox: Perhaps, if you’re interested in “actual discussion” you shouldn’t tell those who disagree with you to “go away”.

    If you were actively engaging in a discussion about the Oilers I would happily engage you. The sum of your contribution to tonight’s conversation has been to argue about … I’m not even sure what. Your glorious predictions from three years ago? And one snarky post about Anton Lander not being an NHL player.

  36. Captain's Log says:

    Lowetide:
    Let’s all get along, shall we? Oilers are in 28th now. Le sigh.

    Sorry LT =(

  37. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Dashingsilverfox: I think we have learned an AHL centre can’t keep two AHL wingers afloat.

    -3.

    Who knew?

    Hey guys,

    Doughty’s a -1 tonight. AHL Dman that can’t keep Muzzin afloat.

    Me oh my you are bad at what you do

  38. PunjabiOil says:

    DSF trolling?

    Some people never change.

  39. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Captain’s Log: Can you truly fault Scrivens much tonight?

    1) Savard walks in unmarked and puts it just under the bar.
    2) Johansen has all day in the circle with Hartnell putting up a good screen
    3) Letetsu off the post with about 4 bodies in between him and Scrivens

    and a .333 in the shootout.

    I can’t imagine the scoring chances were anything but double in EDM’s favour and no excuses needed for McElhinney

  40. Chicken Laser says:

    Just finished staring at the Coyotes’ logo, and it really started looking like the head of a coyote falling down a well. The season, rendered.

  41. rickithebear says:

    SVR:
    No one can tank like Scrivens. 3 goals on 15 shots. Wow

    Shot rules if you here a ting sound and it goes in.
    it is a open hole shot!

  42. rickithebear says:

    Lowetide:
    Let’s all get along, shall we? Oilers are in 28th now. Le sigh.

    Seriosly?

    were would we put Mcdavid or Eichel?

    Hall-Lander-Draisatl
    Pouliot-RNH-Eberle
    Slepyshev-Yakimov-Yakupov
    Hendricks-Gordon-XXX

  43. voxwah says:

    Getting one point in one of the only real winable games the Oilers have left is a win to me. Especially out shooting them 47-20 and not getting 2 points. Oilers know a thing or two about tanking.

  44. Suntory Hanzo says:

    I read this blog everyday and look back it many times a day… Probably deemed by others as excessively.

    I enjoy the posters as much as the blog, and quote fancy stats more than any fan I know.

    I may be stepping out of line by saying this: but ultimately this is a fan site.

    LT has a brilliant thing going where he gets to make a living talking about the team he loves. As a assume people that come to this site have a common love for.

    Yes, we all say negative things about various players.

    DSF… You have fantastic perpspectives on the NHL which is far more reaching than my personal focus on the Oilers. I missed you whilst you were away, but now things are going back to the old ways.

    People accuse you of being a troll because you always point out the bad and what the other teams are doing better than the Oilers. We get it. Our management sucks.

    Has there been an Oiler that has impressed you at all? Ever? If yes?..just throw us a bone every once in a while. Otherwise the troll remarks ring true. If you hate the team, we don’t need to hear it.

    What makes this site so great is that LT allows all opinions. Positive or negative. But if it all goes to one side, the ship will sink. And no one wants that to happen..

    Sorry if I crossed a line, LT.

  45. RexLibris says:

    Don Maloney is probably raising a cold beer right now and saying to himself “that bloody well took long enough!”

    Hall likely comes in soon.

    McDavid or Hanifin, looks like.

  46. PunjabiOil says:

    If you want to go with a 1A/1B tandem next year (i.e. Ward, Anderson, Talbot, Bernier, Neuvirth, Ramo, Lehtonen, Niemi), you probably want a better fall back option than Scrivens

    Wonder if it makes sense to buy him out or just bury him in the minors.

  47. PunjabiOil says:

    Shots were 47-20, but Columbus his like 6-7 posts.

  48. Pouzar says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Shots were 47-20, but Columbus his like 6-7 posts.

    I can think of 2 for Oilers (Hamilton, Yak) off the top of my head.

  49. HiddenDarts says:

    Scrivens just seems so much worse than it felt to watch 2012-2013 Devan Dubnyk. I’m seriously having Khabibulin flashbacks with this guy.

    I know it’s “good” to lose, but wow can this team NOT hold a lead. Killed by a 0.85 save percentage again!

    Hoping for Neuvirth, terrified it may be Niemi, and somehow expecting Pavelec.

  50. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Captain’s Log:
    This blog needs an ignore function.

    If you were actively engaging in a discussion about the Oilers I would happily engage you. The sum of your contribution to tonight’s conversation has been to argue about … I’m not even sure what. Your glorious predictions from three years ago? And one snarky post about Anton Lander not being an NHL player.

    Good grief.

    Anton Lander is almost 24 years of age.

    He has played 120 NHL games and has scored 8 goals and 21 points and is -31 for his efforts.

    If he had been drafted by a team that had any decent options, he likely would have played close to zero NHL games.

    For example, Thomas Tatar was drafted near the end of the second round in the same draft and has 49G 95P and is +56 on his NHL career.

    There are many players drafted later who’ve been more successful.

    While it certainly is too early to write off Lander, it is also not too early to say to say it’s not looking good.

  51. Lowetide says:

    Dashingsilverfox:

    While it certainly is too early to write off Lander, it is also not too early to say to say it’s not looking good.

    I’d say Lander has been ‘looking good’ for about three years now, and added to his final SEL season that’s two seasons of wobble due to mishandling and then recovery. Anton Lander is an emerging player. Responsible defensively, his offensively uptick is very encouraging.

    It’s a feel good story in a tough year.

  52. Numenius says:

    I can live with that. Great effort and corgis barking against a team that was pushing back hard.

    The highest Jackets C+/- was as high as the lowest Oiler C+/- today (Foligno -1, Purcell -1). Wow. (Edit: And nice that the newbie Miller had the highest C+/- at 12)

    If it wasn’t for Scrivens taking the night off, it would have been a win.

  53. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: I’d say Lander has been ‘looking good’ for about three years now, and added to his final SEL season that’s two seasons of wobble due to mishandling and then recovery. Anton Lander is an emerging player. Responsible defensively, his offensively uptick is very encouraging.

    It’s a feel good story in a tough year.

    Lander has been great in the Nelson era.

    I second the ignore function.

  54. rickithebear says:

    Lois Lowe: Me fail English? Thats unpossible!

    I stated that in the past!
    I failed english!
    but they always passed me on!
    you know why!

    I tested at grade 22 level in math .
    When I was 10!

    I also won a regional current events competition for up to grade 12
    when i was in grade 5.

    They sent the 2nd place finisher to the provincial final.
    Cause?
    I could not spell my answer correctly!
    though the rules did not require proper spelling.

    Had not thought about that till now!
    How do you tell a 10 year old kid that the 18 year old who lost to you got too go!
    You get his parents to!
    Cowards!

    Now kids are given IPP’s.
    get to use computers to write.

    Wish i had that when i was 5!

  55. jake70 says:

    Just watching the hilites. That shot by Yak, albeit into an empty net, was phenomenal, considering the angle and he had a split second to shoot. And Klefbom channeling some Nick Lidstrom going intentionally off the backboards to Yak. Before they order the boards for the new rink, someone out there make sure they order the bouncy kind like in Dettroit, if Klefbom has that play in mind for years to come.

  56. Lois Lowe says:

    rickithebear,

    That’s why I deleted it. I realized it was totally inappropriate.

    My apologies.

  57. LMHF#1 says:

    Can someone explain how they managed to make not-Bobrovski look like super-goalie-Jesus? I’m in Calgary for work and missed the game.

    Bad shots?

    That Yakupov goal was a thing of beauty.

  58. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    I read this blog everyday and look back it many times a day… Probably deemed by others as excessively.

    I enjoy the posters as much as the blog, and quote fancy stats more than any fan I know.

    I may be stepping out of line by saying this: but ultimately this is a fan site.

    LT has a brilliant thing going where he gets to make a living talking about the team he loves. As a assume people that come to this site have a common love for.

    Yes, we all say negative things about various players.

    DSF… You have fantastic perpspectives on the NHL which is far more reaching than my personal focus on the Oilers. I missed you whilst you were away, but now things are going back to the old ways.

    People accuse you of being a troll because you always point out the bad and what the other teams are doing better than the Oilers. We get it. Our management sucks.

    Has there been an Oiler that has impressed you at all?Ever?If yes?..just throw us a bone every once in a while.Otherwise the troll remarks ring true.If you hate the team, we don’t need to hear it.

    What makes this site so great is that LT allows all opinions.Positive or negative. But if it all goes to one side, the ship will sink.And no one wants that to happen..

    Sorry if I crossed a line, LT.

    Two Oilers impress the hell out of me.

    Ryan Nugent Hopkins is a quality player and a quality individual.

    Let me tell you a story.

    My son, who lives in Vancouver, sent an email to Hopkins asking about the quality of the hockey program at the Burnaby Winter Club and he replied immediately recommending the program and encouraging my son to send my grandson there.

    Watch out for Jasper Smith in the 2020 draft!

    Jordan Eberle has sublime skills but I think he needs to play on a winning team to realize his potential.

    To me, Taylor Hall is is just a younger Phil Kessel….one dimensional, petulant and immature. Perhaps some time will straighten him out but I’m not sure.

    The rest of the team is nothing more than jotsam and flotsam.

    After so long wandering in the wilderness, if that’s all you have to show for it, it’s a massive failure.

    Too bad.

  59. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lowetide: I’d say Lander has been ‘looking good’ for about three years now, and added to his final SEL season that’s two seasons of wobble due to mishandling and then recovery. Anton Lander is an emerging player. Responsible defensively, his offensively uptick is very encouraging.

    It’s a feel good story in a tough year.

    Would he be playing on the Wings roster?

  60. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Thank you. ”Twas nice and refreshing to hear. And I mean that.

  61. Lowetide says:

    LMHF#1:
    Can someone explain how they managed to make not-Bobrovski look like super-goalie-Jesus? I’m in Calgary for work and missed the game.

    Bad shots?

    That Yakupov goal was a thing of beauty.

    They hit a lot of posts and honestly Ryan Hamilton missed a sure goal because he was all thumbs. This game gets played 10 times, Oilers win 8.

  62. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    Thank you. ”Twas nice and refreshing to hear.And I mean that.

    Always call it like I see it but, as you can imagine, it’s not always well received.

  63. Lowetide says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Would he be playing on the Wings roster?

    Sure. Right around Weiss/Jurco is my guess. Lander was always good at things like PK but couldn’t get at-bats with good players. He’s still playing with trash at EVs but the PP gives him some traction.

    http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?fetchKey=20152DETFAFALL&ord=desc&sort=points&viewName=summary

  64. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lowetide: They hit a lot of posts and honestly Ryan Hamilton missed a sure goal because he was all thumbs. This game gets played 10 times, Oilers win 8.

    Can we now get on with discussing the reality of the Leafs winning the lottery? 🙂

  65. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lowetide: Sure. Right around Weiss/Jurco is my guess. Lander was always good at things like PK but couldn’t get at-bats with good players. He’s still playing with trash at EVs but the PP gives him some traction.

    http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?fetchKey=20152DETFAFALL&ord=desc&sort=points&viewName=summary

    Helm and Sheehan might have something to say about that.

  66. Lowetide says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Can we now get on with discussing the reality of the Leafs winning the lottery? :)

    I have NJD pegged, that’ll hurt more! 🙂

  67. Lowetide says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Helm and Sheehan might have something to say about that.

    Both would be higher up the food chain than Lander but there’s play of room behind them. Detroit has some nice things but they aren’t 1988 Oilers deep.

  68. unca miltie says:

    What a horrible night, Oilers get a point move away from McEichel. Kings knock Flames into a lottery spot. Are we supposed to cheer or be sad. Please Gord let this be the last year for elph.

  69. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lowetide: I have NJD pegged, that’ll hurt more!

    I smell a bet!

    If Toronto wins…you owe me a 2-4.

    If NJ wins I owe you a 2-4.

    If someone else wins…Woodguy owes us both a 2-4.

    Just say yes…we’ll tell him later 🙂

  70. dangilitis says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Would he be playing on the Wings roster?

    The Red Wings comment is ridiculous. They are in a league of their own in their draft and development strategy. But for the sake of adding in a senseless argument, I will throw one back at you – would Cleary have been offered a contract by any team this year, or have played 13 games in the NHL this season, would it not have been for Holland’s nostalgia?

    Quoting +/- in your arguments shows once again how you cherry pick stats. Seguin’s a -2, no wonder everyone thinks he’s such a shitty player. Don’t even get me started about OEL and his -21, him and Klefbom are clearly the worst Swedish defencemen in the league, no promise whatsoever…

    Lander as a 3rd/4th line center is not going to skewer this team. The comment about him being unable to support two AHL linemates was tongue in cheek – I would argue that is a terrible position to put any competent NHL center in, even if he had the luxury of having two steady NHL calibre D-men behind him, which Lander doesn’t. So why should he be judged differently ftom any other NHL player who would be unlikely to thrive under such circumstances? I agree that Iiro, Magnus, Anton would compose a crummy NHL 3rd line, but that doesn’t preclude Lander from being a part of a good or very good 3rd line.

    Your “perspective” is actually a poor one, at best. And it is not because you are pessimistic, it is because you are so inept at analysis (both statistically and through game play/observation) that you actually don’t know how to prioritize your reasons for pessimism, or find reasons for praise when they exist. And when your comments are met with counterarguments that have merit, you choose not to respond (which is likely why others call you a troll, I prefer guerilla). Clearly what has happened is that you clearly decided to lay low for awhile after a record number of hit-and-run attacks on multiple Oiler sites. Then you started posting here again, slowly and subtly at first, but now you are going full tilt again.

    I’m sorry, LT, but if everyone is entitled to their opinion, I am entitled to mine, and that is that your site was much more enjoyable for the last few months without all this nonsense that he enjoys creating.

  71. Dashingsilverfox says:

    unca miltie:
    What a horrible night, Oilers get a point move away from McEichel. Kings knock Flames into a lottery spot. Are we supposed to cheer or be sad. Please Gord let this be the last year for elph.

    It’s never going to end.

  72. dangilitis says:

    unca miltie:
    What a horrible night, Oilers get a point move away from McEichel. Kings knock Flames into a lottery spot. Are we supposed to cheer or be sad. Please Gord let this be the last year for elph.

    You’re questionably happy if the Flames miss the playoffs?

    Even if Calgary moves from 0% to 20% chance at McDavid, it is worth the satisfaction of not having to see Flames playoff hockey. In reality, it will be 3% chance at best for #1, with #12-14 pick as consolation prize, which I can gladly live with if it means Flames do not make the playoffs.

    Problem is that Flames have too many winnable games relative to Winnipeg and L.A., and both have to beat them for the Flames to miss out. Sadly, I think Calgary ends up 8th and possibly takes the last spot in the division over the Kings. Oilers need to do their part, especially from April 2-7 (2 games against LA, 1 against Calgary)

  73. Dashingsilverfox says:

    dangilitis: The Red Wings comment is ridiculous. They are in a league of their own in their draft and development strategy. But for the sake of adding in a senseless argument, I will throw one back at you – would Cleary have been offered a contract by any team this year, or have played 13 games in the NHL this season, would it not have been for Holland’s nostalgia?

    Quoting +/- in your arguments shows once again how you cherry pick stats. Seguin’s a -2, no wonder everyone thinks he’s such a shitty player. Don’t even get me started about OEL and his -21, him and Klefbom are clearly the worst Swedish defencemen in the league, no promise whatsoever…

    Lander as a 3rd/4th line center is not going to skewer this team. The comment about him being unable to support two AHL linemates was tongue in cheek – I would argue that is a terrible position to put any competent NHL center in, even if he had the luxury of having two steady NHL calibre D-men behind him, which Lander doesn’t. So why should he be judged differently ftom any other NHL player who would be unlikely to thrive under such circumstances? I agree that Iiro, Magnus, Anton would compose a crummy NHL 3rd line, but that doesn’t preclude Lander from being a part of a good or very good 3rd line.

    Your “perspective” is actually a poor one, at best. And it is not because you are pessimistic, it is because you are so inept at analysis (both statistically and through game play/observation) that you actually don’t know how to prioritize your reasons for pessimism, or find reasons for praise when they exist. And when your comments are met with counterarguments that have merit, you choose not to respond (which is likely why others call you a troll, I prefer guerilla). Clearly what has happened is that you clearly decided to lay low for awhile after a record number of hit-and-run attacks on multiple Oiler sites. Then you started posting here again, slowly and subtly at first, but now you are going full tilt again.

    I’m sorry, LT, but if everyone is entitled to their opinion, I am entitled to mine, and that is that your site was much more enjoyable for the last few months without all this nonsense that he enjoys creating.

    Perhaps you should have expended all that energy and all those pixels on explaining why you think Lander is an actual NHL centre rather than attacking an individual.

    While there has certainly been some progress in his game, do you really think the Oilers couldn’t go out and find a better player for pennies on the dollar.

    Other teams do,

    For example…The Canucks acquired Shawn Matthias for essentially nothing.

    He has scored 17G and 26P with a cap hit of $1.75M

    What would you do?

  74. striker says:

    This exchange of smiley faces is unnerving.

    PunjabiOil: If you want to go with a 1A/1B tandem next year (i.e. Ward, Anderson, Talbot, Bernier, Neuvirth, Ramo, Lehtonen, Niemi), you probably want a better fall back option than Scrivens

    Wonder if it makes sense to buy him out or just bury him in the minors

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?disp=1&db=201215&sit=5v5&pos=goalies&minutes=2000&teamid=0&type=goals&sort=SvPct&sortdir=DESC

    I think Scrivins as a backup next year is a reasonable bet.

    No doubt that Scrivins hasn’t played well but the Dubnyk experience should give us some pause.

    I think we have to look at the long term track record of these goalies.

  75. rickithebear says:

    Lois Lowe:
    rickithebear,

    That’s why I deleted it. I realized it was totally inappropriate.

    My apologies.

    Now i feel like an As……..

    But remembering the rush!
    is a good memory.
    the kind of rush you get when you are lifting and driving a 270lb man into the ground!

    That what I love about this site!

    Learn!
    Challenge!
    Laugh!

  76. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Perhaps you should have expended all that energy and all those pixels on explaining why you think Lander is an actual NHL centre rather than attacking an individual.

    While there has certainly been some progress in his game, do you really think the Oilers couldn’t go out and find a better player for pennies on the dollar.

    Other teams do,

    For example…The Canucks acquired Shawn Matthias for essentially nothing.

    He has scored 17G and 26P with a cap hit of $1.75M

    What would you do?

    Lu is nothing?

  77. G Money says:

    rickithebear: the kind of rush you get when you are lifting and driving a 270lb man into the ground!

    Ah hah! So you really are a bear!

  78. G Money says:

    Matthias 2014-15: 27yo, 26 pts, 67 gms = 0.388 ppg this season, approaching his 400th NHL game.

    Lander 2014-15: 23 yo, 13 pts, 27 gms = 0.488 ppg this season, approaching his 120th NHL game.

    Yep, sure can clearly read the “better player” from that.

    There are stats.

    There are “lies, damn lies, and statistics”.

    And then there is DSF.

    Dashingsilverfox: Always call it like I see it

    No.

    Using the most selective and cooked and out of context statistics possible to endlessly repeat at every possible opportunity a monotonous, unoriginal, and tediously argumentative anti-Oiler position is not remotely that.

    “Hey, look, player X not Oiler has scored 85 pts, player Y Oiler has scored only 37 pts, clearly X is better. Please ignore the fact that X has played 600 games more than player Y, that’s not relevant to my ‘calling it like I see it'”.

    “Hey, look everybody, a single game +- statistic on player X, proof of everything I’m saying!”.

    While many here (self included) are doing our best to actually advance the understanding of hockey (numeric or otherwise), a single DSF post knocks us back from grad school to Grade 2.

    Others (LT included) give DSF credit for occasionally bringing up an interesting or insightful point.

    To my mind, such exceedingly rare occurrences are not worth the Fox-news-worthy generalizations, oversimplifications, and tone deaf information selectivity, nor the resulting and near constant thread hijacks.

    The signal to noise ratio is like a TV with the cable unplugged.

    I may have no say on the matter, but nonetheless I have far less patience for this garbage than LT does, because I actually stopped even bothering with reading ON in large part because (apart from the progressively worsening level of idiocy) the posters there couldn’t resist taking DSFs bait whenever offered, nor do they typically have the grade 6 level of numeracy needed to deconstruct DSFs garbage statistics.

    LT threads, which are normally eighteen orders of magnitude beyond ON threads in sophistication, devolve into unreadable noise whenever DSFs sophistry is injected. I live in Calgary, so I have to deal with mindless Oiler-bashing all the time.

    LT’s site is where I go to have intelligent conversation with fellow Oiler fans.

    But I find I have to bail whenever DSF pops up and hijacks the thread. It’s like 25 Canucks and Flames fans suddenly rushed into the room. “Hey, why did it suddenly get so noisy, drunk, and stupid in here?!?”

    Please don’t feed the troll. He really does go away once people wise to his game and stop engaging with his nonsense.

  79. Ca$h-Money! says:

    G Money,

    For DSF it begins and ends with Granlund > Hall. That’s how you know he’s just trolling, rather than trying to make an alternative but effective point.

  80. thejonrmcleod says:

    There is a chance the Flames could collapse and finish 3rd-last in the West. But I’m afraid of their chances of winning the draft lottery.

  81. Yeti says:

    G Money: Please don’t feed the troll. He really does go away once people wise to his game and stop engaging with his nonsense.

    I’m afraid you just provided a solid month’s worth of food right with that post.

  82. G Money says:

    Yeti: I’m afraid you just provided a solid month’s worth of food right with that post.

    I know … it will be my last post on the topic, at this point I will go back to my standard practice of disengaging from any thread once hijacked … I’m hoping this one last months supply functions in a homeopathic kind of way!

  83. Surly says:

    unca miltie:
    What a horrible night, Oilers get a point move away from McEichel. Kings knock Flames into a lottery spot. Are we supposed to cheer or be sad. Please Gord let this be the last year for elph.

    2016 Draft Lotter rules will, to a degree, make ELPH a thing of the past. Which is a good thing.

  84. Pouzar says:

    G Money:
    Matthias 2014-15:27yo, 26 pts, 67 gms = 0.388 ppg this season, approaching his 400th NHL game.

    Lander 2014-15: 23 yo, 13 pts, 27 gms = 0.488 ppg this season, approaching his 120th NHL game.

    Yep, sure can clearly read the “better player” from that.

    There are stats.

    There are “lies, damn lies, and statistics”.

    And then there is DSF.

    No.

    Using the most selective and cooked and out of context statistics possible to endlessly repeat at every possible opportunity a monotonous, unoriginal, and tediously argumentative anti-Oiler position is not remotely that.

    “Hey, look, player X not Oiler has scored 85 pts, player Y Oiler has scored only 37 pts, clearly X is better.Please ignore the fact that X has played 600 games more than player Y, that’s not relevant to my ‘calling it like I see it’”.

    “Hey, look everybody, a single game +- statistic on player X, proof of everything I’m saying!”.

    While many here (self included) are doing our best to actually advance the understanding of hockey (numeric or otherwise), a single DSF post knocks us back from grad school to Grade 2.

    Others (LT included) give DSF credit for occasionally bringing up an interesting or insightful point.

    To my mind, such exceedingly rare occurrences are not worth the Fox-news-worthy generalizations, oversimplifications, and tone deaf information selectivity, nor the resulting and near constant thread hijacks.

    The signal to noise ratio is like a TV with the cable unplugged.

    I may have no say on the matter, but nonetheless I have far less patience for this garbage than LT does, because I actually stopped even bothering with reading ON in large part because (apart from the progressively worsening level of idiocy) the posters there couldn’t resist taking DSFs bait whenever offered, nor do they typically have the grade 6 level of numeracy needed to deconstruct DSFs garbage statistics.

    LT threads, which are normally eighteen orders of magnitude beyond ON threads in sophistication, devolve into unreadable noise whenever DSFs sophistry is injected.I live in Calgary, so I have to deal with mindless Oiler-bashing all the time.

    LT’s site is where I go to have intelligent conversation with fellow Oiler fans.

    But I find I have to bail whenever DSF pops up and hijacks the thread.It’s like 25 Canucks and Flames fans suddenly rushed into the room.“Hey, why did it suddenly get so noisy, drunk, and stupid in here?!?”

    Please don’t feed the troll.He really does go away once people wise to his game and stop engaging with his nonsense.

    G……..you have an unreal way with words my friend. Spot on.

  85. FTO says:

    G Money,

    Dang, that was fantastic.

  86. Mike Wazowski says:

    G Money,

    I whole-heartily agree on ON. It has devolved into a contest as to who can make the most outrageous comment crapping all over everything Oilers. Everything from management down, stopping just short of Joey Moss, has some of the most ridiculous comments I’ve ever seen and next to no actual hockey talk.

    Reading this blog has been a breath of fresh air.

  87. dangilitis says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Perhaps you should have expended all that energy and all those pixels on explaining why you think Lander is an actual NHL centre rather than attacking an individual.

    While there has certainly been some progress in his game, do you really think the Oilers couldn’t go out and find a better player for pennies on the dollar.

    Other teams do,

    For example…The Canucks acquired Shawn Matthias for essentially nothing.

    He has scored 17G and 26P with a cap hit of $1.75M

    What would you do?

    The funny thing (because I hadn’t bothered checking for a response previously) is that Lander is seemingly as good if not better than Mathias, as others have pointed out, and is younger with more upside. And he will likely cost “pennies on the dollar” relative to Mathias.

    All my previous points still stand.

  88. dangilitis says:

    G Money:
    Matthias 2014-15:27yo, 26 pts, 67 gms = 0.388 ppg this season, approaching his 400th NHL game.

    Lander 2014-15: 23 yo, 13 pts, 27 gms = 0.488 ppg this season, approaching his 120th NHL game.

    Yep, sure can clearly read the “better player” from that.

    There are stats.

    There are “lies, damn lies, and statistics”.

    And then there is DSF.

    No.

    Using the most selective and cooked and out of context statistics possible to endlessly repeat at every possible opportunity a monotonous, unoriginal, and tediously argumentative anti-Oiler position is not remotely that.

    “Hey, look, player X not Oiler has scored 85 pts, player Y Oiler has scored only 37 pts, clearly X is better.Please ignore the fact that X has played 600 games more than player Y, that’s not relevant to my ‘calling it like I see it’”.

    “Hey, look everybody, a single game +- statistic on player X, proof of everything I’m saying!”.

    While many here (self included) are doing our best to actually advance the understanding of hockey (numeric or otherwise), a single DSF post knocks us back from grad school to Grade 2.

    Others (LT included) give DSF credit for occasionally bringing up an interesting or insightful point.

    To my mind, such exceedingly rare occurrences are not worth the Fox-news-worthy generalizations, oversimplifications, and tone deaf information selectivity, nor the resulting and near constant thread hijacks.

    The signal to noise ratio is like a TV with the cable unplugged.

    I may have no say on the matter, but nonetheless I have far less patience for this garbage than LT does, because I actually stopped even bothering with reading ON in large part because (apart from the progressively worsening level of idiocy) the posters there couldn’t resist taking DSFs bait whenever offered, nor do they typically have the grade 6 level of numeracy needed to deconstruct DSFs garbage statistics.

    LT threads, which are normally eighteen orders of magnitude beyond ON threads in sophistication, devolve into unreadable noise whenever DSFs sophistry is injected.I live in Calgary, so I have to deal with mindless Oiler-bashing all the time.

    LT’s site is where I go to have intelligent conversation with fellow Oiler fans.

    But I find I have to bail whenever DSF pops up and hijacks the thread.It’s like 25 Canucks and Flames fans suddenly rushed into the room.“Hey, why did it suddenly get so noisy, drunk, and stupid in here?!?”

    Please don’t feed the troll.He really does go away once people wise to his game and stop engaging with his nonsense.

    Haha, I tried not feeding him for awhile, but he’s like that damn cat that just wouldn’t stay away!

    Well said, man. I live in Calgary too and know exactly how you feel. Perhaps it is why I can’t deal with this dude’s B.S. anymore.

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