TRADE BAIT?

I think we’re all agreed that the Edmonton Oilers will be adding very few pieces to the roster over the summer. Based on MacT’s math (80%) we’re looking at four or five players added to the mix. One suspects the shopping list (G, D, D, C, W) is known and we can also make a reasonable list of possible items for bait (draft picks, young, inexpensive and close to NHL-ready players). Let’s have a look at some of the obvious items that could fetch some help this summer.

  • The Penguins first-round selection (currently No. 22 overall). If a team like Chicago is looking to offload a veteran like Patrick Sharp (who might replace David Perron) the pick could be part of the package.
  • The Oilers second-round selection (currently No. 33 overall). This pick might have extreme value the night after Round 1, as teams on the outside looking in (no first round selection) may have an attractive option fall to the second day.
  • Martin Marincin. I remain convinced he’s a player but Edmonton doesn’t love him based on MacT verbal. Marincin has been in trade rumors before and a team wanting to reduce cap issues would be well served in getting him. Marincin is an RFA but the team acquiring him would have the player under control for some time.
  • Leon Draisaitl. If Edmonton drafts McDavid or Eichel—maybe even Strome—there’s a chance they decide Leon is available for the right return. I’m not suggesting it’s a clear direction for the team but you have to give in order to get on a deal.
  • Teddy Purcell. Actual NHL player, this issue is that he’s overpaid. If Edmonton can include him in a deal—perhaps retaining some salary—I imagine several NHL teams would be interested in adding a perfectly useful veteran.
  • Luke Gazdic. Enforcer has miles to go on his career, Edmonton may feel they can proceed without one (or that they can afford to deal him). This blog sometimes undervalues enforcers but Gazdic will have value in certain corners of the league.

I don’t see the Oilers trading Eberle or Hall this summer. I do see some major additions—Antti Niemi, Dan Girardi, Derek Roy, possibly the lottery selection depending on who it is—and I think we may see that first-round pick dealt away.

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  1. fifthcartel says:

    “But this summer, should the Oilers take a run at the Boston Bruins’ restricted free-agent defenceman Dougie Hamilton, knowing Boston’s in cap hell?

    They’re probably thinking of it, like most teams with cap room, but they also know Boston would probably swallow hard and match because they see Hamilton as Zdeno Chara’s heir as their top blueliner.

    That said, a, seven-year, $6 million per season offer sheet would certainly stretch the Bruins’ cap woes.”

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Hockey+World+Boston+Bruins+Dougie/10903912/story.html

    I like Matheson talking about offer sheets, especially with Hamilton. I highly doubt any happen, but they absolutely should. Such an unused option.

  2. Lowetide says:

    FC: Agreed. Hamilton would be an outstanding addition for Edmonton.

  3. Klima's_Bucket says:

    “Edmonton doesn’t love him based on MacT verbal.”

    If by verbal you mean lack of verbal. I hear what you’re saying LT.

  4. book¡je says:

    Though sometimes I don’t really trust MacT’s math – he might just trade everyone (opposite bold)

  5. LadiesloveSmid says:

    last night should be a reminder it doesn’t matter how good your lineup is playing if the guy between the pipes can’t make a save to save his life. Talbot, Bernier, Jones, get whoever out of some picks/prospects. Sign Neuvirth if you can.

  6. Woodguy says:

    LT posted a great link in the last thread and it didn’t get enough love:

    Lowetide:
    Wonderful story on Hakan Andersson the Red Wings scout. Michael Farber is an amazing writer. http://www.si.com/nhl/2015/03/19/hakan-andersson-detroit-red-wings-scout-sports-illustrated-feature-story

    Money paragraph from that piece:

    “The odds say 1.5 in seven make it [to the NHL],” he says. “The criticism is I go too much for the home run. Late rounds, I’ll go for pure talent. If a guy makes it, [he’ll probably] be on the top two lines. My joke is Kenny (Holland) can pick up the phone [any time] and find a fourth-line player or a seventh [defenseman]. So why not swing for the fences?”

    That agrees 100% with the “math drafters” say.

    If a player’s upside is the same as what costs a 5th round pick, then don’t pick him.

    MacT’s draft record is on both sides of this equation.

    Good: Greg Chase 188th overall 7th round

    Bad: Liam Coughlin 130th overall 5th round

    Let’s hope that Bob Green brings some sharp thinking to that process.

  7. axeman33 says:

    I’d rather see them go after Raanta than Niemi. With Niemi, I can see another Khabibulin situation. Older goalie with little upside that they will regret signing in two years.

  8. blainer says:

    We Need a goalie. Yak is also trade bait for the right price..

  9. Rod from Viking says:

    Purcell needs to go, he doesn’t fit on any Oiler line once Hall is back, too slow and too soft, Oilers would have to retain max salary unless he is traded for another overpaid player and could only see an eastern team having interest even then.
    I would be very disappointing if they traded Luke, contrary to many bloggers opinions he is a valuable bottom six winger for this team.
    Hopefully Mac T can package Marinchian up with a draft pick for a Seabrooke or even a Dion Phaneuf.
    Maybe another pick and a prospect for a goalie out of Ottawa or Anaheim or maybe acquire another goaltender via FA.
    As Lowetide would say” this team has to make 4-5 moves this summer to get this team going north”.

  10. rich says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    last night should be a reminder it doesn’t matter how good your lineup is playing if the guy between the pipes can’t make a save to save his life. Talbot, Bernier, Jones, get whoever out of some picks/prospects. Sign Neuvirth if you can.

    I don’t disagree with your sentiment (we DO need a #1 goalie next year), but last night was not the game to use to point to Scriven’s deficiencies. On the 1st goal against, it was a blown coverage by the forwards as no one picked up Savard who walked right in to score and on the next 2 goals, Scriven’s was screened on both. Tough to stop what you can’t see.

  11. rickithebear says:

    rich: I don’t disagree with your sentiment (we DO need a #1 goalie next year), but last night was not the game to use to point to Scriven’s deficiencies.On the 1st goal against, on the first goal against, it was a blown coverage as no one picked up Savard who walked right in to score and on the next 2 goals, Scriven’s was screened on both.Tough to stop what you can’t see.

    Nice to see someone reference the actual play.

  12. speeds says:

    If the Oilers were to go after Hamilton, I doubt if they’d sign him a 7 year deal, just based on the way RFA compensation is calculated. It’s more likely they would cap their offer at 5 years.

  13. spoiler says:

    A couple of 30s ago, Friedman devoted a few points to the goalie market this off-season. This is a long quote, but hopefully Elliotte doesn’t mind as it is now a bit dated:

    14. The goalie market this summer is going to be fascinating. It’s no secret Ottawa planned to make some kind of Craig Anderson/Robin Lehner decision. Lehner’s disappointing season muddles that because they can’t be certain he’s a full-time starter. And, what does his performance do to his trade value?

    Andrew Hammond’s sudden surge adds an interesting variable. This is too small a sample size to make any sweeping judgments, but, if you’re the Senators, which one do you try to trade? If Anderson gets you the most, will you go into 2015-16 with a Hammond/Lehner combo?

    15. From the outside, there is a growing belief Toronto isn’t ready to make a full-time financial commitment to Jonathan Bernier. They’ve dipped their toes in the water on him, seeing what’s out there. Logic suggests San Jose would be a fit, but another exec suggested the Sharks will wait to see every available option before choosing whom to pursue.

    There have been several reports of the Oilers heavily scouting Bernier and James Reimer, but, again, it does not look like they are Edmonton’s first choice. The Oilers were also in the Antti Raanta race when he first came to North America, but word is they aren’t interested in re-visiting that idea, either.

    16. Teams also warn not to count out San Jose among teams interested in NCAA goalie Matt O’Connor. Sharks director of scouting Tim Burke lives in Massachusetts. Short commute.

    17. The more you look into it, the more you get the impression Anaheim will have the most influence in these conversations. The Ducks have Frederik Andersen and John Gibson, young talents who both look like number ones. They’ll see how the playoffs go before making any kind of decision, and what complicates matters for other teams is it makes sense for GM Bob Murray to wait another year. (I tried to ask Murray about it this week but he wasn’t biting.)

    Andersen and Gibson each have one more season before their contracts end, at a combined $1.9 million. That kind of cost certainty is extremely valuable for a budget team. I could see Buffalo, Edmonton, San Jose, Toronto and others all interested in what this team does.

    18. The Sabres are expected to look at some youthful options, but if they chase a veteran, it’s believed they have interest in unrestricted free agent Antti Niemi. If that doesn’t work, would Kari Lehtonen be a fit? Lindy Ruff is going to have a stroke if this continues and Jim Nill talked in this space about how difficult Lehtonen finds the adjustment on a better defensive team as opposed to a porous one. He could could help the Sabres, because while Buffalo hopes to improve, it’s unlikely they would be airtight.

  14. spoiler says:

    Woodguy:
    LT posted a great link in the last thread and it didn’t get enough love:

    Money paragraph from that piece:

    “The odds say 1.5 in seven make it [to the NHL],” he says. “The criticism is I go too much for the home run. Late rounds, I’ll go for pure talent. If a guy makes it, [he’ll probably] be on the top two lines. My joke is Kenny (Holland)can pick up the phone [any time] and find a fourth-line player or a seventh [defenseman]. So why not swing for the fences?”

    That agrees 100% with the “math drafters” say.

    If a player’s upside is the same as what costs a 5th round pick, then don’t pick him.

    MacT’s draft record is on both sides of this equation.

    Good: Greg Chase 188th overall 7th round

    Bad: Liam Coughlin 130th overall 5th round

    Let’s hope that Bob Green brings some sharp thinking to that process.

    Dead on.

    And it’s probably even easier to find AHL vets to fill out your AHL roster than it is in the NHL.

  15. Ryan says:

    I just had an idea.

    What if…

    Instead of just looking at player or team Corsi, you could track Corsi stats by lines?

    I.e. You could compare Pouliot-Nuge-Eberle with Hall-Nuge-Eberle… Etc.

    Zone starts, line Corsi. Corsi close. Fenclose, qoc….

  16. Edmonton_fan says:

    When your opponents are in trouble do NOT be their friend. Chicago has $56 million of Cap space allocated to 5 forwards / 3 defensemen / one goalie. Thanks to the new Kane / Toews contracts, they will be desperate – with very few trading partners.

    I would not offer any 1st round pick we have for Sharp. Maybe our 2nd & any two or three in our pipeline not named Draisaitl or Nurse.

    But to be perfectly honest – my preference is to grab a top defenseman from the desperate teams!

  17. Bulging Twine says:

    Does anyone know where I can find an individuals stats for his opponents goals/game? It doesn’t appear that I can get it from War-on-ice. Stats.hockey.analysis has it but it lumps a traded player onto his new team. Ie. it doesn’t show Petry’s numbers while with the Oilers.

  18. flyfish1168 says:

    I would hope MacT would explore the possibiliies of trading for Cam Talbot. He is signed for one more year at 1.45.

  19. fifthcartel says:

    I wonder if Eddie Lack is an option for a goalie next year. I imagine he would be with Miller there, and If feel he definitely would be available had Markstrom looked better than he has in the NHL this year.

    Vancouver traded away their 2nd this year for Baertschi (room for MTL’s 2nd?), and there’s the MacT connection when he coached the Wolves. 0.921 in 30 games this year, and 0.916 in 71 games in his NHL career.

  20. TemujinBC says:

    All kinds of sadness about Matthew Wuest’s untimely passing.

    Man. What a loss.

    Hug someone tonight.

    *************

    I think “addition by subtraction” could be the best motto for the Oilers. We all know which names need to be subtracted.

  21. TemujinBC says:

    fifthcartel,

    The price would be steep for Lack, and it’s a bit of a gamble.

  22. Ben says:

    History tells us that Vancouver would want Eichel, Marincin, Nurse, and a golden sarcophagus for Eddie Lack.

    Lehner’s gonna shake loose, and will be affordable. Sather’s probably gonna want PIT’s 1st for Talbot, and that’s not sensible.

    I like LT’s Jones idea.

    I would give up the most for Vasilevskiy.

  23. spoiler says:

    TemujinBC:
    All kinds of sadness about Matthew Wuest’s untimely passing.

    Man.What a loss.

    Hug someone tonight.

    *************

    Absolutely. Sail on, NHL Capgeeker, sail on.

  24. stush18 says:

    I think leon would get sent away for a young dman if it did happen. Something like mueller and goldobin Or dougie hamilton or ristolainen or something like that. Not that i want him gone. I love how he can control the puck.

    I really cant see us trading anyone, unless mact gets an offer for niktin or purcell that blows him away. They are taking a slow and controlled rebuild to this. Next year let the horses run and hope for a playoff spot and maybe offload a contract or two if you can. Head into 16-17 season primed to go.

  25. wheatnoil says:

    spoiler: Absolutely. Sail on, NHL Capgeeker, sail on.

    I don’t know how old he was, but he looked too damn young. Colon cancer. Just terrible. If this place is like a bar where we all hang out, I raise an internet glass to him. He had quite an impact on the sport and by all reports, seemed to have been a stand-up guy.

  26. TemujinBC says:

    Like oh, by the way, Matt on the side created a website that revolutionized hockey fandom.— Paul McLeod (@pdmcleod) March 20, 2015

  27. T0ML says:

    Great article as usual ….

    Wanted to pop in and share a site I found browsing the interwebs … http://www.mceichel.com/tank-tracker/ …. Know there are others I just got a kick out of this ones URL (Sorry if its been posted).

    And damn, sad to hear about the lost of Wuest.

  28. Pouzar says:

    OHL Annual Coaches Poll:

    http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/03/18/ohl-releases-annual-coaches-poll

    Best Defensive Defenceman:

    Western Conference:
    1. Darnell Nurse, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (34)
    2. Chris Bigras, Owen Sound Attack (26) – finished first in voting in 2013-14
    3. Kurtis MacDermid, Erie Otters (14)

    A lot of Mitch Marner mentions as well

  29. rickithebear says:

    spoiler: Absolutely. Sail on, NHL Capgeeker, sail on.

    Cancer sucks!
    Lost my mom to brain cancer.
    No one should have to change there moms diaper at 55.

    My wifes biopsy’s results are due next week!

    I am just nauseous for the pain his wife must feel!

  30. wheatnoil says:

    Just wanted to add a piece to my comment from the post earlier today. I had noted that Yakupov had 13 players who he’d played at least 100 min with this season and each of them did better without him than with him. Sliderule brought up Roy and I realized that Roy’s numbers were misleading because they included time with Nashville. So, here’s Roy’s numbers just with Edmonton (up to March 14):

    Minutes with Yakupov: 230
    Minutes without: 125

    Corsi with Yak: 44.8% (53.8% o-zone starts)
    Corsi without Yak: 50% (47.1% o-zone starts)

    That said, someone commented that last year was a different story. They’re right! I won’t list all the data, it’s on stats.hockeyanalysis.com . Using zone-start adjusted corsi, there were 11 players who played at least 100 min with Yakupov. 6 of them did better away from Yak, 5 of them did better with.

    In his rookie season (the lock-out shortened one), 10 players had at least 100 min with Yak. 7 did better without him, 3 did better with him.

    So the data I presented for this year, with every player doing better away from Yak, does not extend to his first two years, even when adjusted for zone starts. That’s good news! Yak is still no corsi demon, but he hasn’t been a consistent drag the last two years. Woodguy’s theory makes logical sense… that there’s finishers and drivers of play. Yak sure looks like a finisher, but he can’t be a possession black hole and play a significant role in the Oilers top 6 (acknowledging he’s 21 and certainly developing). This year, at least, looks like an anomaly compared to his first two years in regards to the degree of his possession struggles.

  31. RexLibris says:

    rickithebear: Cancer sucks!
    Lost my mom to brain cancer.
    No one should have to change there moms diaper at 55.

    My wifes biopsy’s results are due next week!

    I am just nauseous for the pain his wife must feel!

    Not that it is any of my business, but I’ll be hoping for the best for you and your wife, sincerely.

    Age and mortality in and of themselves can be hard enough, but cancer specifically is a horrible experience for both the ones diagnosed and the caregivers and family.

  32. Lowetide says:

    rickithebear: Cancer sucks!
    Lost my mom to brain cancer.
    No one should have to change there moms diaper at 55.

    My wifes biopsy’s results are due next week!

    I am just nauseous for the pain his wife must feel!

    Man, that’s tough. We’ll be thinking of you here in the next week or so.

  33. RexLibris says:

    wheatnoil,

    This agrees with what I’ve seen from Yakupov thus far in that he is an offensive player who will eventually grow into becoming a (relatively) more complete player as time goes on but is unlikely (thought it is not impossible) that he ever becomes that 200 ft winger coaches love.

    I’m trying to think of a winger with that kind of finishing skill who wasn’t top drawer defensively and the only name that comes to mind is Dany Heatley. It may not be entirely accurate, but perhaps Yakupov hits that career height of being an elite goal scorer at some point who works best when paired with defensively minded linemates (Alfredsson, in this case).

    Draisaitl has given signs that he may become a more responsible two-way player who could cover for Yakupov, but until then I think we need to focus on his production and boxcars before moving on to more specific analytics.

  34. slopitch says:

    Oh man. Matthew Wuest, sad to hear. RIP.

    I’d play hardball on the Penguins 1st. Package it for a top pairing D or hang on. It’s a deep draft and you have a new guy (Bob Green) keen to prove his worth. This is a great draft and we aren’t likely to be a playoff team next year. Having a player like Klefbom on the roster and owning his rights till he’s 27 is incredibly valuable. Offering a 1st for a player deemed tradable due to cost seems like your doing them a favor.

  35. Dashingsilverfox says:

    The NCAA free agent signing flurry is underway.

    The Flames sign RH defenseman Kenney Morrison out of Western Michigan.

    http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=758919

  36. rickithebear says:

    Best Skater:

    Western Conference:

    1. Connor McDavid, Erie Otters (45) – finished first in voting in 2013-14 and third in 2012-13

    2. Max Domi, London Knights (15) – finished second in voting in 2013-14

    3. Zachary Senyshyn, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (10)

    LW Senyshyn: March 97 6’2″ 195lb

    40gm 22 EVG 11 EVA
    28 EVG 14 EVA age NHLE
    Crouse even scoring without the high pick!

  37. RexLibris says:

    Morrison going to the Flames is a smart move for him as a player. Their defensive prospect depth is pretty thin and he’ll get a chance to play in the AHL for a short time with pretty much only Wotherspoon to leapfrog to the NHL.

  38. spoiler says:

    wheatnoil: I don’t know how old he was, but he looked too damn young. Colon cancer. Just terrible. If this place is like a bar where we all hang out, I raise an internet glass to him. He had quite an impact on the sport and by all reports, seemed to have been a stand-up guy.

    I believe he would have turned 36 this year.

    rickithebear: Cancer sucks!
    Lost my mom to brain cancer.
    No one should have to change there moms diaper at 55.

    My wifes biopsy’s results are due next week!

    I am just nauseous for the pain his wife must feel!

    I am a cancer survivor, so Wuest’s story and your own both hit pretty close to home. I hope things go well for your wife, please keep us posted. If it comes as any consolation, after the second time the oncologist gave me a 24% chance to make 5 years and I will hit year 15 this July. It can play out a myriad of ways, everyone’s different.

  39. spoiler says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    The NCAA free agent signing flurry is underway.

    The Flames sign RH defenseman Kenney Morrison out of Western Michigan.

    http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=758919

    It started with the Bruins signing Frank Vatrano on March 12. Where were you?

  40. Dashingsilverfox says:

    spoiler,

    Ummmm…let’s see…Tofino.

  41. Rondo says:

    Karma for tanking for Mario

    Pittsburgh falls out of the playoffs and their lottery pick now Oilers wins the lottery.

  42. GCW_69 says:

    Ryan,

    For you from the other thread.

    What’s the sample size on Eakins’ score adjusted Corsi? (Min played)
    Iirc, the Oilers played a ton of garbage time under Eakins relative to score effects.

    Eakins vs Nelson by situation. Looks at time on ice and corsi.

    http://www.coppernblue.com/2015/3/16/8228617/another-look-at-eakins-vs-nelson

  43. GCW_69 says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    The NCAA free agent signing flurry is underway.

    The Flames sign RH defenseman Kenney Morrison out of Western Michigan.

    http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=758919

    He was noted as being one of the best possible free agents last summer, but decided to stay in school. Very nice signing by Calgary.

  44. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    Wonderful story on Hakan Andersson the Red Wings scout. Michael Farber is an amazing writer. http://www.si.com/nhl/2015/03/19/hakan-andersson-detroit-red-wings-scout-sports-illustrated-feature-story

    This was probably the best thing I’ve read all day today. Thank you, sir. I sometimes wonder if you Google Ken Holland’s name first thing every morning, lol.

    The other takeaway from the article–other than the one WG mentioned above–is that maybe teams should employ a specific goalie scout. Considering Anderson’s own difficulties, I wonder if this is why drafting goalies has been such voodoo over the years. Ie, a lack of expertise on the scouts’ parts.

  45. GCW_69 says:

    flyfish1168,

    “Following in the footsteps of former teammate Dan DeKeyser (DET) last season, Kenney Morrison has become the hottest defensive commodity available on the college hockey free agent market this season. Numerous NHL teams have Morrison on their collegiate free agent wish list and it’s not hard to see why. Among the teams that could potentially land the coveted young rearguard is the Edmonton Oilers, whose prospect camp Morrison attended this past summer.”

    WTF? The Oilers had this guy in camp and let him get away to the Flames? Isn’t this what Bob Green was hired to prevent?

  46. Lowetide says:

    flyfish1168:
    This to me is disturbing, have to ask why and where did we loose him

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/flames-sign-kenney-morrison-from-western-michigan/

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/104605/carey-morrison-among-top-available-ncaa-free-agents/

    Oilers are well stocked at the position. Similar to Rieder not signing here, Nash before him. Of course Rieder and Nash would have jumped past a lot of Oilers kids but they didn’t know it at the time.

  47. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lowetide: Oilers are well stocked at the position. Similar to Rieder not signing here, Nash before him. Of course Rieder and Nash would have jumped past a lot of Oilers kids but they didn’t know it at the time.

    I don’t think they are very well stocked with RH shooting 6’3″ 210 lb defensemen are they?

  48. Dashingsilverfox says:

    More on, and from, Morrison here:

    http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=758925

  49. wheatnoil says:

    Dashingsilverfox: I don’t think they are very well stocked with RH shooting 6’3″ 210 lb defensemen are they?

    No, he would’ve been a nice add for the Oilers. From his perspective though, I can see why choosing the Flames was the better choice. There’s a lot of young D in the Oilers system. Oesterle and Simpson joined last year. Nurse will be joining next year. The Oilers may draft Hanifin. The Flames are really lacking in their D prospects. If I were advising him, I’d probably suggest his best chance at making the NHL the fastest, ideally before the end of his 2-year ELC, it’s the Flames over the Oilers.

    Too bad. Sounds like he’d be a legit prospect for any team and the Oilers could have used a righty in their system.

  50. Dashingsilverfox says:

    wheatnoil: No, he would’ve been a nice add for the Oilers. From his perspective though, I can see why choosing the Flames was the better choice. There’s a lot of young D in the Oilers system. Oesterle and Simpson joined last year. Nurse will be joining next year. The Oilers may draft Hanifin. The Flames are really lacking in their D prospects. If I were advising him, I’d probably suggest his best chance at making the NHL the fastest, ideally before the end of his 2-year ELC, it’s the Flames over the Oilers.

    Too bad. Sounds like he’d be a legit prospect for any team and the Oilers could have used a righty in their system.

    Agree completely and the article I linked to above would seem to confirm what you say.

  51. jp says:

    rickithebear: Cancer sucks!
    Lost my mom to brain cancer.
    No one should have to change there moms diaper at 55.

    My wifes biopsy’s results are due next week!

    I am just nauseous for the pain his wife must feel!

    Damn Ricki. Good luck to you both.

  52. PaperDesigner says:

    Dashingsilverfox: I don’t think they are very well stocked with RH shooting 6’3″ 210 lb defensemen are they?

    It’s hard to break through on the right side when you’ve got a future Norris candidate taking all the minutes.

  53. Hammers says:

    I don’t think Purcell gets traded for 2 reasons . 1 ) A lot of teams will already have cap problems and why eat 2 to 2.5 on a trade for an HNL player capable playing with Lander on the 3rd line . . 2 ) Keeping him and Nikitin gives McT $ 9 million to spend the following year and it will be needed . I see our 1st if its 4th or worse Or Pittsburgs pick but not both of them . I also potentially see Marincin plus our 2nd or 3rd for a player from a CAP Strapped team . Doubt if Gazdic goes unless its for a 4th rd pick or included on the Marincin deal . Add 1 UFA overpay ..Changing 20% is like 4 to 5 players so he may only add 4 not 5 . Gone is Fasth , Marincin, Aulie , Pitlick . Probably SIGNS Roy , Goalie and 2 “D” . A forward would be a bonus but maybe Leon . Pick back to junior .

  54. Lowetide says:

    Dashingsilverfox: I don’t think they are very well stocked with RH shooting 6’3″ 210 lb defensemen are they?

    I may be wrong on Morrison but my guess is Edmonton has a lot of defensemen just like him. He’s certainly not going to bring a lot of offense and so we’re looking (based on lack of pedigree) a third pairing RH defenseman.

    I don’t think we’re looking at a major turn in the events of history here.

  55. Hammers says:

    Edmonton_fan:
    When your opponents are in trouble do NOT be their friend. Chicago has $56 million of Cap space allocated to 5 forwards / 3 defensemen / one goalie. Thanks to the new Kane / Toews contracts, they will be desperate – with very few trading partners.

    I would not offer any 1st round pick we have for Sharp. Maybe our 2nd & any two or three in our pipeline not named Draisaitl or Nurse.

    But to be perfectly honest – my preference is to grab a top defenseman from the desperate teams!

    Seabrook plus an AHL prospect for our 1st or Pitts 1st

  56. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide: I may be wrong on Morrison but my guess is Edmonton has a lot of defensemen just like him. He’s certainly not going to bring a lot of offense and so we’re looking (based on lack of pedigree) a third pairing RH defenseman.

    I don’t think we’re looking at a major turn in the events of history here.

    Yup,
    his NHLE projection from his USHL year to his peak is 82 gp 4g 5a 9pts
    His NHLE projection from this year is 82gp 5g 9a 14pts

    of course there is always variance with these projections.

    He could be better and become a good 2nd pairing D man
    or
    just a AHL tweener.

    We have depth with our D prospects so by not getting him, I just shrug my shoulders and say “Meh”

  57. Edmonton_fan says:

    Hammers,

    Seabrook’s contract finishes in one year – the challenge of “Chicago has $56 million of Cap space allocated to 5 forwards / 3 defensemen / one goalie” is in effect for two years.

    Duncan Keith or Niklas Hjalmarsson helps their Cap situation. Those two are who Edmonton should be looking at – at the proper price…

  58. Hammers says:

    One question for the upcoming months is making a guess on what both Yak & Schultz sign for . I’m hoping its from $3 mill to $ 3.5 mill each for 1 year unless they can do a long term deal at a smart number . No sense arguing as they will sign both of them .Do they sign Marincin before trading him or let new team deal with it and Lander may now get a few years with some increments each year .

  59. rickithebear says:

    jp: Damn Ricki. Good luck to you both.

    My wifes mom was head of Dalhousies medical program.
    Canadian medical college.
    And was a specialist in rare flesh skin diseases.

    Dr. Catherine Zip is doing the biopsy review.
    A trusted college!

    Jackie stated if her mom was real concerned she would be out here already!
    Cancer just Sucks!
    Waiting for someone to die like his wife had to go thru………

  60. Hammers says:

    Edmonton_fan:
    Hammers,

    Seabrook’s contract finishes in one year – the challenge of “Chicago has $56 million of Cap space allocated to 5 forwards / 3 defensemen / one goalie” is in effect for two years.

    Duncan Keith or Niklas Hjalmarsson helps their Cap situation. Those two are who Edmonton should be looking at – at the proper price…

    Good point but I thought he had a couple of years to go . I like Seabrook but teams like Chicago , New York , Anaheim , LA all have some decent “D” so its really get a good one .

  61. rickithebear says:

    Lowetide: I may be wrong on Morrison but my guess is Edmonton has a lot of defensemen just like him. He’s certainly not going to bring a lot of offense and so we’re looking (based on lack of pedigree) a third pairing RH defenseman.

    I don’t think we’re looking at a major turn in the events of history here.

    Marincin-Fayne
    Klefbom-XXX
    Nikitin-XXX
    Nurse

    6’0″ – 6’2″
    210-220lb
    RH offensive Dmen
    with a full Dman game.
    lesser doughty’s

  62. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: Oilers are well stocked at the position. Similar to Rieder not signing here, Nash before him. Of course Rieder and Nash would have jumped past a lot of Oilers kids but they didn’t know it at the time.

    I got the sense we are weak on right handed d-men.

  63. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: I may be wrong on Morrison but my guess is Edmonton has a lot of defensemen just like him. He’s certainly not going to bring a lot of offense and so we’re looking (based on lack of pedigree) a third pairing RH defenseman.

    I don’t think we’re looking at a major turn in the events of history here.

    I posted the article from Hockey Futures. The part I like is Kenney has NHL quality shot and his ability to employee many different types of shots towards the net. Now this is where justin is lacking , Cannon and different shots. justin has no NHL caliber shot. Can you image justin winning Norris with that slapper or wrist, NOT JMHO

  64. GCW_69 says:

    Lowetide: Oilers are well stocked at the position. Similar to Rieder not signing here, Nash before him. Of course Rieder and Nash would have jumped past a lot of Oilers kids but they didn’t know it at the time.

    The Oilers have no right handed defensive prospects and the gaping hole left by Petry’s departure. I wouldn’t sign with the Oilers if I were a lefty, but a righty should see an opportunity.

  65. SwedishPoster says:

    On the case of RHDs. Oilers rumour Patrik Hersley leads the KHL D scoring with 3 goals and 9 points in 11 games. His team has made the semifinals. All goals on the PP. He’s managed 29 shots. It would be interesting to see him in the NHL where there’s more bodies going to the net. How well he ‘d translate is kinda hard to project imo but with that shot and his Development the last few seasons he’s a good bet. Especially with Nelson seeming like a coach who wants a lot if shots from his blueline. Both 5v5 and on the PP.

  66. SwedishPoster says:

    And while everyone is asleep I might as well add that I think Anton had a bad game defensively against CBJ in front of the swedish NT coach, may very well have lost his World Championship spot to Wennberg. Lander was a culprit on the two first GAs with uncharacteristicly bad positioning and decisionmaking in the own zone.

    On trading the picks I think they should be looking for deals but the more I look at this draft the more amazed I am by its number of quality talents. We all know about the franchise kids at the top but the depth is fantastic. Usually when a draft is considered to be strong its due to being a good year for CHLers, canadian CHL guys in particular. Which only make sense because the scouting services and media reporting on the draft are mainly based in Canada and the CHL is where the vast majority of the talent stem from. But it also tends to create a narrative where the talent out of europe and to some extent the US is “forgotten” when judging whether a draft is weak or strong.
    I think that’s the reason the 2014 draft was considered weak, it wasn’t a great year for CHL players and the franchise level talent out of the CHLwas a D-man who isn’t that flashy just a crazy smart player with a natural athletes fully grown physique at the age of 17, but the thing is a lot of the best talent that draft after Ekblad were euros, and on top of that euros out of odd countries, Ehlers, Draisaitl, Fiala and the talent out of the usual top european countries were playing high end mens leagues Nylander, Vrana, Pastrnak, Kamenev, Kempe and therefore not putting up the massive numbers that drives hype. Or they were rookies in the CHL like Scherbak and the mentioned Ehlers which tend to hurt a players production and play. All the guys mentioned should challenge for at least a top 15-20 spot in most drafts. I’d argue 2014 was a pretty average draft, even slightly above average though a little winger heavy.

    But that wasn’t the point I was about to make. The thing with this draft is that it isn’t just strong from a CHL perspective it looks strong across the board. The CHL prospects are tearing up the league. USA has some of the best talent they’ve provided in a while. I have five russians I’d consider first rounders. Sweden outside of Kylington and Eriksson-Ek lacks guys who challenge for the top 10 or even top 20 this year but a lot of very good late first, early second round picks. Finland has a nice group headed by Rantanen. The Czechs have their most talented kid in years in Zacha(I still consider him in my top5). And a couple of swiss players are sneaking up the ranks. This draft looks crazy good on paper and a team can really secure the future if they play their cards right.

    Prospects ARE overrated and dodgy scouting like the Oilers boast doesn’t instill confidence in our management walking away from the draft completely set up for the future, my point is that they should really hold tight to their picks because teams are very likely to approach you on the draft floor if a player they really like is dropping to your spot and I am certain there will be quality prospects dropping where in five years everyone will go “how could this kid drop so far”.
    A smart GM could really make waves. Thank Gord we have such amazing mangement. Right? Right?

  67. Pouzar says:

    rickithebear,

    Best of Luck to you and your family Ricki.

  68. nelson88 says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Great point on the overall depth of the draft. Thanks for posting.

    Hope Anton makes the team. One of my long time favourites.

  69. rich says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Great post on the depth of the draft. With 3 picks inside the first 35, I would like to think we’re going to do better than we did in the 2007 draft. We wait.

    Also, very good post about Lander. He, Yak, Klefbom and Marincin are about the only reason I’m watching these days and I’m rooting hard for all of them to succeed. But the other night against Columbus was not one of Lander’s better games.

    Forget whether it was Stauffer or the Columbus broadcaster who was trying to blame Schultz for a bad change on the 1GA but in reality, it was Lander chasing the puck around that opened up things for Savard. One of the few games this year where I thought Lander was not playing disciplined defense.

    But overall, I’ve been pleasantly surprised the kid is making it and am rooting for him.

    Thanks again for your posts. Always a pleasure to read.

  70. Jon K says:

    SwedishPoster,

    I’d be really interested if someone were to put together a review on “falling prospects”.

    There is certainly a long and infamous list of prospects that fell precipitously on draft day and never turned into anything at all. I think those picks probably outnumber those that fall and turn into a real steal.

    Logically, it would make sense to try and categorize the perceived reasons for the fall.

    For example, teams determine that a player can’t skate well enough for the NHL, is already well-developed in terms of their musculature, and is unlikely to develop any further explosive power. I could see that player that falling after the draft combine and then subsequently not having success at the NHL level. Some recent Oiler defensive picks come to mind.

  71. PhrankLee says:

    MM is a player, I agree. I am also in line with the idea he needs more aggression in his game.

    An NHL D needs to throw more than 1 hit every 2 games. (Yes, yes a “perfect” game has no hitting because you have the puck, ya da ya da yada.)

    Especially one who is trying to establish himself.

  72. russ99 says:

    If some cap-strapped team wants to give us a true first pairing defenseman, that’s the only way Yak or Eberle get moved.

  73. PhrankLee says:

    rickithebear,

    Hey Ricki. Best luck with that. I went through the same with my mother. Same age.

    It sucks.

  74. j says:

    rich,

    I agree he didn’t have his best game but I am awarding him a ‘pass’ given the quality/experience of his wingers. Hammy just isn’t an NHL player. And Miller is an overager playing his first NHL game. Miller looked good around the o-zone from time to time (and could have scored on his first shift) but there were a lot of lost board battles and missed assignments in the d-zone all night. Lander was running around – but it was to compensate for huge open spaces that weren’t being filled by his linemates IMO.

  75. Genjutsu says:

    I think they make the picks at the draft. The players available to them with 5-6 picks inside 100 will be too attractive to trade away. There are just going to be too many nice solutions to fill them many holes in the system.

    I think the cap poaching trades will be made later in the summer after the UFA season is well underway (and RFA offer sheet poaching).

  76. doritogrande says:

    I’d be really interested if someone were to put together a review on “falling prospects”.

    There is certainly a long and infamous list of prospects that fell precipitously on draft day and never turned into anything at all. I think those picks probably outnumber those that fall and turn into a real steal.

    Recent, and fantastically opposite examples include Angelo Esposito and Teemu Pulkkinen.

  77. jzed says:

    If the Oilers are serious about keeping Ference and Nikitin, they should also put Klefbom and Eminem in a nice condo, fully stocked with nutritious food and a driver who will escort them to their workout/ on ice training session in Edmonton every freakin day. But, probably not, because Oilers.

  78. grim.oil says:

    How is it that everyone seems to think trading Perron (for PIT’s 1st and Klinkhammer) creates a huge hole on the Oilers roster? I know he was awesome last year (his only awesome year ever) but he was dumped to the 3rd line and perhaps he shouldn’t of been but he was. With Hall, Eb’s, Pouliot, Yak, Purcell (all though in my opinion Purcell is stretching it) and possibly McEichel, Strome or Marner all being top 6 fitted players would there of even have been room for a Perron on the wing? They never made room for him this year (maybe thats Eakins fault) and so we basically traded a guy squeezed out of top 6 for a bottom 6 and a 1st Pick in a supposedly stacked draft year + a little bit of cap space. That’s a good trade!

    Marincin is a solid D-man. Only way I trade him is if a ‘Seabrook/McDonaugh’ is coming on the return. I place him as 2nd best on the Oil 15/16 starting roster only behind Klefbom. Schultz is a forward playing D and it’s embarrassing to a once proud organization. He should be getting sheltered on the PP and 3rd pairing (see T.Krug in BOS or T.Barrie in COL). Ference is a ‘once was’, he is now done. Nikitin is a ‘never was’. Aulie and anybody else is just ‘filler’ or ‘not ready yet’. It is absolutely baffling how MacT thinks Nikitin is ‘Top4’ but Marincin is ‘not high’ on his list. Perhaps MacT is just drunk or trying to mislead everyone. He did once say Ralph Krueger was not going anywhere than decided to fire him for Eakins about 2 weeks after. If I am GM my D chart looks horrible for next year, something like:


    Klefbom – (Maybe Nurse/Hanifan but not likely)
    Marincin – Schultz
    Aulie

    Thats no 1,2 or 4 D-men. That is hole’s to fill in a major way.

    Purcell only has value if Oilers retain salary. Doubt he gets moved. He is good 3rd/4th line who can chip in when injuries occur but nothing special.

    With all the talk of this off-season being the time for cap free teams to strike teams with no room and Also hearing MacT gas little to do in the off-season compared to previous years I am feeling mighty sad about next year.
    We need in no particular order (1) either a 1 or a 2 center. Nuge is somewhere in between for now. Hopefully we win the lottery and McDavid fills this need. See ya later Derek Roy or welcome to the 3rd line. (2) A number 1 goalie or even a 1B goalie. (MacT likely takes a risk and grabs an unproven but possible steal) and finally + most importantly by miles and miles (3) a number 1 D-Man. Yeah i feel we need several D-men but Oilers are not going anywhere until they can get a number 1 minute eating shut down guy who can mentor Klefbom, Marincin, Nurse, etc. Just like Roy has with Yakupov. Imagine if we already had this guy. We might still have Dubnyk and Schultz might even look like a god. I said ‘might’, calm down. That’s 3 holes. The wings are fine and I’m not even sure how some think its a problem. If we draft a C capable or somehow Draisaitl is ready we only have 2 major holes to fill. Next season is time to ‘turn north’, no exceptions. I’m not sure MacT can get it done, not with a D that looks like two pieces of tissue in front of a pin on a bowling alley.

  79. grim.oil says:

    Sorry forgot about Fayne for a moment and Edit comment won’t let me type so next year looks like:

    No One – Nurse/Hanifan (not likely though)
    Klefbom – Marincin
    Fayne – Schultz
    Aulie

  80. Ralph_u says:

    speeds,

    Would Boston trade Hamilton and Malcolm for the 1st if it’s Eichel? Maybe a sweetener like other first or Marancin?

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