FLYERS AT OILERS, G72 2014-15

We’ll get confirmation some time today but Taylor Hall could be in the lineup for Edmonton tonight. What does that mean? On a pure entertainment level, this is a big damn deal. A healthy Hall in full flight is just about the grandest damn sight an Oilers fan can see live. Now, he may not play tonight and if he does there’s no guarantee the pistons will be pumping in time but there’s a chance we see No. 4 for the Oilers.

  • Hall“It’s not like I’m coming back for Game 7 of the (Stanley) Cup final. We have 10 games left, so if I have to sit out one more game, it’s not the end of the world, but I do want to play soon.” Source

At this point, the Oilers are unlikely to improve their draft number (Buffalo and Arizona are locked and loaded now) so it can’t hurt to bring back Chance for the rest of this home stand and see if he can ignite the masses. Things have changed greatly since Hall’s injury but the sky remains grey over Rexall.

LOWETIDE TOP 30, 2015 DRAFT

            1. (1)C Connor McDavid, Erie Otters (OHL) 46GP, 43-75-118 (2.57)
            2. (2)C Jack Eichel, Boston U (NCAA) 35GP, 22-41-63 (1.80)
            3. (3)R Mitch Marner, London Knights (OHL) 63GP, 44-82-126  (2.00)
            4. (4)D Noah Hanifin, Boston College (NCAA) 36GP, 5-18-23 (.639)
            5. (5)C Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (OHL) 66GP, 40-81-121 (1.83)
            6. (6) D Ivan Provorov, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) 59GP, 15-46-61 (1.03)
            7. (8) C Mathew Barzal, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) 43GP, 12-43-55 (1.28)
            8. (7) D Zach Werenski, Michigan (NCAA) 34GP, 9-16-25 (.735)
            9. (10) C Nick Merkley, Kelowna Rockets (WHL) 71GP, 20-69-89 (1.25)
            10. (11) R Evgeni Svechnikov, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles (QMJHL) 54GP, 30-45-75 (1.39)
            11. (9) D Oliver Kylington, Farjestad (SHL). 18GP, 2-3-5 (.278)
            12. (14) C Anthony Beauvillier, Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL) 67GP, 42-52-94 (1.40)
            13. (12) R Mikko Rantanen, TPS Turku (SML) 56gP, 9-19-28 (.500)
            14. (15) R Timo Meier, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL) 59GP, 43-46-89 (1.51)
            15. (16) C Jansen Harkins, Prince George Cougars (WHL) 69GP, 20-59-79 (1.14)
            16. (17) C Kyle Connor, Youngstown (USHL). 47GP, 27-38-65 (1.38)
            17. (13) C Travis Konecny, Ottawa 67’s (OHL) 60GP, 29-39-68 (1.13)
            18. (18) L Jake Debrusk, Swift Current (WHL) 71GP, 42-36-78 (1.10)
            19. (20) R Daniel Sprong, Charlettown Islanders (QMJHL) 67GP, 37-48-75 (1.12)
            20. (23) D Jeremy Roy, Sherbrooke Phoenix (QMJHL) 46GP, 5-38-43 (0.93)
            21. (19) C Pavel Zacha, Sarnia Sting (OHL). 37GP, 16-18-34 (0.92)
            22. (21) L Lawson Crouse, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) 54GP, 28-21-49 (0.91)
            23. (22) D Mitchell Vande Sompel, Oshawa (OHL) 58GP, 12-51-63 (1.09)
            24. (24) D Travis Dermott, Erie Otters (OHL) 59GP, 7-37-44 (0.75)
            25. (25) R Nikita Korostelev, Sarnia Sting (OHL) 54GP, 24-28-52 (0.96)
            26. (26) D Ryan Pilon, Brandon (WHL) 67GP, 11-41-52 (0.78)
            27. (NR) R Blake Speers, SSM Greyhounds (OHL) 55GP, 22-41-63 (1.15)
            28. (29) C Andrew Mangiapane, Barrie (OHL) 67GP, 43-60-103 (1.54)
            29. (NR) C Filip Chlapik, Charlettrown Islanders (QMJHL) 63GP, 33-40-73 (1.16)
            30. (30) L Paul Bittner, Portland Winterhawks (WHL)  64GP, 33-37-70 (1.09)

  The Oilers are going to have a very difficult time trading out on draft day. If they end up picking No. 3, No. 22 (Pens’ pick) and No. 33, the club could walk away with Mitch Marner, Jeremy Roy and (maybe) someone like Filip Chlapik. This draft could sustain Edmonton for a decade or longer. Godspeed, Bob Green.

As the college kids lose on the way to the Frozen Four, it’ll be important to see if Edmonton can sign players, both their own (Laleggia the priority there) and some who will or may shake free (Matt O’Connor, Mike Reilly). Later in the spring, we’ll see who among the junior kids (Marco Roy, Jackson Houck, Kyle Platzer, Ben Betker) Edmonton signs. And of course the Euro’s are hanging out there, both drafted (Slepyshev) and free agents (I bet we see a goalie and a defenseman from Europe, probably KHL but maybe SHL or SM-Liiga).

I think Todd Nelson may be saving young Marincin but you can never be sure. If he does, that’s two second-round draft picks during the Stu MacGregor draft era who look to have turned out after all (Lander and Marincin) with miles to go before the rest of the group is decided on. The Oilers attacked their own scouts in the winter during various media moments but if you look at what has happened since then, it appears the scouts were right on several players and putting them in a position to succeed has made a world of difference. Early days, we must be sure. However, Lander and Marincin had a certain pedigree and are now playing in the NHL. Could that happen for others? My bet is yes. We wait.

NAIL AND THE KIDS DEVELOPING

I’d like to know what adjustments young Nail made (aside from Derek Roy being added) to improve (or is it luck).

Yak, Klefbom, Lander, Marincin added to the established cluster (Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Schultz) from the department of youth gives the team a much stronger talent base for the future. Agree?  The Oilers are going to win fewer than 25 games this season but much can be gained from a year in which Nail and several other kids straighten up and fly right. Who, aside from the kids themselves, do you credit for this?

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  1. thejonrmcleod says:

    G Money,

    Just Google “Gagner” and “Hobbitses.”

  2. Lowetide says:

    GCW_69: Then we should do the same for Tambellini as well. Just saying.

    I think the reason Tambellini keeps coming up is that, as GM, his decisions are still impacting the roster. I do agree that some of the things Tambellini did (Yak selection) don’t get mentioned enough.

  3. book¡je says:

    Open question

    If the Oilers could have a perfect record for the final 10 games, which would you rather see, 10 wins or 10 losses?

  4. Traktor says:

    Nelson obviously gets most of the credit. Its not like Yak is the only player that seen his game improve once Eakins was fired…pretty much all of the important pieces on the team improved once Nelson took over. I don’t know which man made the decision that Klefbom didn’t belong in the NHL but as soon as Nelson took over he was promoted.

    You can throw out Roy’s name out there but for all we know Eakins could’ve played Roy on the 4th line or Yak on the 3rd line and elevated Roy. Nelson actually went to Yak and asked what he thought and when he was thinking of playing him with RNH.

  5. Pouzar says:

    book¡je:
    Open question

    If the Oilers could have a perfect record for the final 10 games, which would you rather see, 10 wins or 10 losses?

    Losses.

  6. Lowetide says:

    book¡je:
    Open question

    If the Oilers could have a perfect record for the final 10 games, which would you rather see, 10 wins or 10 losses?

    10 wins. That gets Nelson a job.

  7. Gordies Elbow says:

    book¡je,

    10 wins, no question. Prefereably with Eberle, Hopkins, Hall, Yakupov, and Klefbom kicking out the jams.

    According to Sportsclubstats, Edmonton still lands 26th/drafts 4th, assuming that a team beneath them wins McDavid.

    Edmonton drafts Hanifin, after McDavid, Eichel, and Marner are taken.

    Hanifin goes to the AHL, to play with Nurse for the first half of next season.

  8. Traktor says:

    Perhaps Nelson should be getting credit for Roy as well instead of discounting his role in turning Yak into a player.

    Roy was waiver pickup… basically had zero value around the league and now it looks like he will be extending his career thanks to Nelson.

  9. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: 10 wins. That gets Nelson a job.

    I was going to add that the downside to 10 losses is Nelson is probably not back next year.

  10. Gordies Elbow says:

    Lowetide,

    I think that Nelson gets a job, based on how much better players play under him. (see the Staples article here.)

    Hopefully, the current leadership gets it. Otherwise, Nelson’s job be with another team. 😐

  11. Lowetide says:

    A goal for Nurse tonight, now 35GP, 10-22-32 on the year. SSM drilling their opponent this evening.

  12. G Money says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    Just Google “Gagner” and “Hobbitses.”

    LOL! Awesome. I feel privileged that my post comes up first in tying Gagner to Hobbitses. I’m pretty sure I didn’t come up with the whole Samwise thing … I wonder who used it first?

    See: I really did like posting “HOBBITSES!” any time Gagner did something good.

  13. Tom Benjamin says:

    Woodguy:
    Tom Benjamin,

    Their roster has three first round picks (Sedin, Sedin Horvat)

    Sedin’s were picked in 1999.

    Horvat was picked in 2013.

    That’s 14 years of 1st round picks not accounted for.

    Some good ones in there.

    None of them with VAN anymore.

    That’s not good.

    I don’t understand your point. I don’t think the Canucks have drafted particularly well either, but so what? For the most part the Canucks have had a good team – a couple of outstanding ones – without drafting particularly well. The team still produced enough talent to be good.

  14. striatic says:

    “At this point, the Oilers are unlikely to improve their draft number (Buffalo and Arizona are locked and loaded now) so it can’t hurt to bring back Chance for the rest of this home stand and see if he can ignite the masses.”

    in hindsight, should have waited another month to fire Eakins.

  15. Lowetide says:

    No score after two periods. Brossoit having a nice season, no doubt about it.

  16. striatic says:

    Traktor: Roy was waiver pickup… basically had zero value around the league

    well .. enough value to be picked up.

    zero value would be if he went through waivers. he was actually picked up quite quickly.

  17. wheatnoil says:

    striatic: well .. enough value to be picked up.

    zero value would be if he went through waivers. he was actually picked up quite quickly.

    Didn’t Roy pass through waivers and then acquired by trading Arcobello?

  18. Lowetide says:

    wheatnoil: Didn’t Roy pass through waivers and then acquired by trading Arcobello?

    Getting rid of a contract. Suspect that’s a factor in case O’Connor the goalie signs here.

  19. striatic says:

    wheatnoil: Didn’t Roy pass through waivers and then acquired by trading Arcobello?

    you’re right. i was wrong.

    in my defence, i was going off the information Traktor provided.

    and the point stands that he had some value. Arcobello.

  20. slopitch says:

    Seems possible Drai and Nurse play each other in the memorial cup. Both teams look stacked. That would be fun.

    I vote 10 wins. I don’t think 10 losses means guaranteed Eichel. And 10 wins means serious progress. With 10 wins we draft hanifan or McDavid. I’m more then fine with that.

  21. striatic says:

    Lowetide: Getting rid of a contract. Suspect that’s a factor in case O’Connor the goalie signs here.

    ugh. it’s been a long day.

  22. RexLibris says:

    Coyotes up 1-0 at the end of the 1st.

    Fingers crossed.

    In response to the wins/losses poll, in most situations like this I’d say 10 losses because it helps draft position, not only in the 1st round but each round thereafter, and this team needs all the help it can get.

    However, the Oilers play the Flames once more this season and if I have to take 10 straight wins, and the accompanying distortion that a run like that would do to the management group’s appraisal of their own performance, in order to beat the Flames, well then I guess we’ll go with the Ws.

  23. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Getting rid of a contract. Suspect that’s a factor in case O’Connor the goalie signs here.

    You know what else they could do to get rid of a contract?

    It rhymes with Mikita Mikitin…yeah, I’m not really musically inclined.

  24. striatic says:

    RexLibris: However, the Oilers play the Flames once more this season and if I have to take 10 straight wins, and the accompanying distortion that a run like that would do to the management group’s appraisal of their own performance, in order to beat the Flames, well then I guess we’ll go with the Ws.

    The Oilers beat the Flames, knocking them out of playoff contention. There is much rejoicing.

    The Flames then take their 1% odds and win the NHL draft lottery and proudly select with the 1st overall pick, Centre Connor McDavid of the OHL’s Erie Otters.

  25. wheatnoil says:

    Chalk me up for 10 wins. Especially if those 10 wins are clear deserved wins, but beggers can’t be choosers.

  26. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    Why do you think that Benning can change it?

    Because he has an exceptional record of drafting in both Buffalo and Boston.

  27. godot10 says:

    Justin Schultz is fairly easy to explain. He never learned to play defense since he always had the puck.

    Lowe and new advisor MacT didn’t allow Tambellini to improve the roster in Krueger’s year because they expected the lockout to last all year, so Krueger was forced to throw Schultz to the wolves. It was Petry, Smid, Schultz, and garbage.

    And then Eakins is just absolutely horrid as a player development coach, so 110 games got wasted.

    Schultz is sort of back on track, where he was with Krueger. Nelson turned Taylor Chorney from a -20 AHL D into basically an even plus/minus AHL D. Schultz will never be a defensive stud, but maybe Nelson can develop him so that he is at least not an absolute liability.

  28. striatic says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Piecing together a competitive team through astute trades and free agent signings is the hard part.

    While that’s more difficult, i’ll vote for player development being the hardest, most important part.

    You can draft poorly and trade and even sign poorly but so long as you are developing players, you’ll have a good team.

  29. Lowetide says:

    When posting, please be respectful of others and their opinions. Thanks.

  30. Pouzar says:

    My fav Future.

    Zenon Herasymiuk ‏@ZenonHerasymiuk 6m6 minutes ago
    Nolan Patrick has done it! First 16 year-old 30 goal scorer since Brett Connolly (08-09), Patrick Marleau (95-96). 3rd in last 20 years #WHL

  31. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    What defines an exceptional record? Please be specific.

  32. Lowetide says:

    Nugent-Hopkins!!!

  33. Dashingsilverfox says:

    striatic: While that’s more difficult, i’ll vote for player development being the hardest, most important part.

    You can draft poorly and trade and even sign poorly but so long as you are developing players, you’ll have a good team.

    You may be right but it’s very hard to ascertain exactly what “development” means especially since there are 30 teams with current needs.

    People point to Detroit as a great example, with good reason, but much of their development expertise was, and is, based on them having a very good team with the luxury of bringing every player along slowly.

    I would think “development” depends to a large degree on team management being good at drafting, trading and free agent signings since it allows a team to not rush their prospects.

    I think the prime directive for most teams every season is to ice a competitive team and then work on long term development to augment their future prospects.

    But some teams, like the Oilers, are so bad at everything that they need to throw their prospects into the deep end and hope for the best.

    We’ve seen it over and over again.

  34. striatic says:

    Heart attack to end Hall’s first shift.

  35. Pouzar says:

    Eric Rodgers ‏@ericrsports 33s34 seconds ago
    #OKCBarons GOAL!!!!!! Brad Hunt ties it up with a laser of a shot past Binnington!

  36. Pouzar says:

    Jezzuz

  37. Pouzar says:

    Marty…….come on now.

  38. Lowetide says:

    Why is Marincin playing with Ference? They hate him! I knew it!

  39. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox: You may be right but it’s very hard to ascertain exactly what “development” means especially since there are 30 teams with current needs.

    People point to Detroit as a great example, with good reason, but much of their development expertise was, and is, based on them having a very good team with the luxury of bringing every player along slowly.

    I would think “development” depends to a large degree on team management being good at drafting, trading and free agent signings since it allows a team to not rush their prospects.

    I think the prime directive for most teams every season is to ice a competitive team and then work on long term development to augment their future prospects.

    But some teams, like the Oilers, are so bad at everything that they need to throw their prospects into the deep end and hope for the best.

    We’ve seen it over and over again.

    You may be right but it’s very hard to ascertain exactly what “drafting and developing NHL players” means especially since there are 30 teams with current needs.

    People point to Detroit as a great example, with good reason, but much of their development expertise was, and is, based on them having a very good team with the luxury of bringing every player along slowly.

    I would think “development” depends to a large degree on team management being good at drafting, trading and free agent signings since it shows that teams that they can actually win Stanley Cups.

    I think the prime directive for most teams every season is to “win a Stanley Cup” and then work on long term development to augment their future prospects.

    But some teams, like the Canucks, are so bad at drafting and developing, that there is no risk in throwing their prospects into the deep end and hope for the best, because they weren’t very good to begin with.

    We’ve seen it over and over again.

  40. Lowetide says:

    Scrivens made some dandy saves during that sequence.

  41. knighttown says:

    Why on earth are they matching Roys line against Giroux?

  42. Derek says:

    Nikita and Jultz together? When did this become a (horrible, awful) thing?

  43. judgedrude says:

    Lowetide,

    I think rebuilding the feeder system was an even more important contribution by Tambo, as the Oil are still feeling the lingering effects of not having a dedicated AHL team.

  44. Pouzar says:

    Holy F6ck NN sucks.

  45. LMHF#1 says:

    Yikes. That was a terrible back pass, terrible 2-on-1 D and hapless goalie scrambling.

    This could get ugly.

  46. knighttown says:

    Mccurdy might have to polish off the old “1” ratings for Hall and Nikitin if this continues.

  47. Derek says:

    Nikitin is to McDavid as Khabibuhlin is to Hall.

  48. Gordies Elbow says:

    judgedrude:
    Lowetide,

    I think rebuilding the feeder system was an even more important contribution by Tambo, as the Oil are still feeling the lingering effects of not having a dedicated AHL team.

    Agree wholeheartedly.

    The OKC Barons have 81 points in the AHL, putting them 3rd in the west.

  49. LMHF#1 says:

    If hockey was a stand-and-shoot game, Tedward would be a player.

  50. knighttown says:

    If you could choose a defensive core from this game or from the AHL All Star Game which do you choose?

  51. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    What defines an exceptional record? Please be specific.

    Benning was either a scout or Chief Scout for the Buffalo Sabres from 1995 to 2004.

    During that period, the Sabres drafted:

    Jay Mckee – 802 GP
    Martin Biron – 508
    Erik Rasmussen – 545
    Cory Sarich – 969
    Henrik Tallinder – 678
    Maxim Afinogenov – 651
    Brian Campbell – 909 (would you be surprised he was picked in the 6th round)
    Dmitri Kalinin – 539
    Andrew Peters – 229
    Ales Kotalik – 542
    Doug Janik – 190
    Mike Zigomanis – 190
    Ryan Miller – 603
    Paul Gaustad – 604
    Jason Pominville – 741
    Chris Thorbun – 593
    Derek Roy – 727
    Dennis Wideman – 697
    Keith Ballard – 604
    Daniel Paille – 568
    Thomas Vanek – 733
    Clarke MacArthur – 535
    Jan Hejda – 616
    Drew Stafford – 578
    Andrej Sekera – 580
    Patrik Kaleta – 339

    I’m not going to go into the Bruins drafting record when Benning was their assistant GM but you can check out their record on your own.

  52. LMHF#1 says:

    Jeezus…Derek Roy is covering and Nikitin pinches?!?!

    And why in hell are Nikitin-Fayne and Marincin-Ference happening??

  53. stush18 says:

    I teally think if we had a defense this team would do so much better. Also i know this kind of thinking isnt prevalent around here, but this team is not physical enough. Not even close.

  54. Lowetide says:

    Paajarvi kills the Barons. Le sigh.

  55. knighttown says:

    The answer to the question is 10 losses. With 10 straight wins McTavish might possibly think that a defense with Schultz, Farrance and Nikitin is good enough. The last thing we need is another Rowbear-like run to fool our gullible leaders. Continue giving up 4+ per game and perhaps MacTavish targets Petry.

  56. Pouzar says:

    Marincin-Ference *sigh*

  57. rich says:

    I’m not liking the D pairings tonight either, but the other night against Columbus, the Nikitin-Ference pairing was just awful. You had 2 guys playing together who couldn’t make a pass and couldn’t defend down low.

    Not sure that splitting them is the answer either, but when you play both of them, there really aren’t a lot of good choices.

  58. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Benning was either a scout or Chief Scout for the Buffalo Sabres from 1995 to 2004.

    During that period, the Sabres drafted:

    Jay Mckee – 802 GP
    Martin Biron – 508
    Erik Rasmussen – 545
    Cory Sarich – 969
    Henrik Tallinder – 678
    Maxim Afinogenov – 651
    Brian Campbell – 909 (would you be surprised he was picked in the 6th round)
    Dmitri Kalinin – 539
    Andrew Peters – 229
    Ales Kotalik – 542
    Doug Janik – 190
    Mike Zigomanis – 190
    Ryan Miller – 603
    Paul Gaustad – 604
    Jason Pominville – 741
    Chris Thorbun – 593
    Derek Roy – 727
    Dennis Wideman – 697
    Keith Ballard – 604
    Daniel Paille – 568
    Thomas Vanek – 733
    Clarke MacArthur – 535
    Jan Hejda – 616
    Drew Stafford – 578
    Andrej Sekera – 580
    Patrik Kaleta – 339

    I’m not going to go into the Bruins drafting record when Benning was their assistant GM but you can check out their record on your own.

    Jay McKee? Drafted 14th overall, 1995. I can’t find proof that Benning was even a scout, then. Certainly not in leadership.

    Even if he was, you’re really going to attribute Benning’s influence as a new scout to picking a 1st round pick?

  59. Lowetide says:

    Leon with an assist during the first period tonight.

  60. frjohnk says:

    I thought the first period was a bit too tight defensively for my liking.

    Here’s hoping both teams open it up a bit.

  61. Lowetide says:

    Eberle scores, 4-3 EDM.

  62. Ice Sage says:

    frjohnk:
    I thought the first period was a bit too tight defensively for my liking.

    Here’s hoping both teams open it up a bit.

    Agreed! – and sooner or later one of these goalies has gotta crack

  63. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Benning became a scout in 2005. McKee was picked in 2005. I’d bet that even if Benning had influence, Buffalo had their pick before hiring a new “generic” scout.

    Hey – Tambellini was in a higher position with the Canucks, when the Sedins were picked. He was around for a number of their better drafts (as compared to 2009-current) Should be a good judge of talent, right?

    I have no idea if this will help Vancouver in their drafting, but I wouldn’t bet against it – they’ve been the worst in the NHL for quite a while, which is why they’re on the quick downwards trajectory.

    Only straw I would grasp is to mention to other posters to ask trolls “to be specific” in their posts.

    Makes it easier to use facts to chase them away.

  64. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    Benning became a scout in 2005. McKee was picked in 2005. I’d bet that even if Benning had influence, Buffalo had their pick before hiring a new “generic” scout.

    Hey – Tambellini was in a higher position with the Canucks, when the Sedins were picked. He was around for a number of their better drafts (as compared to 2009-current)Should be a good judge of talent, right?

    I have no idea if this will help Vancouver in their drafting, but I wouldn’t bet against it – they’ve been the worst in the NHL for quite a while, which is why they’re on the quick downwards trajectory.

    Only straw I would grasp is to mention to other posters to ask trolls “to be specific” in their posts.

    Makes it easier to use facts to chase them away.

    You asked for specifics and I provided them.

  65. Heinz 57 says:

    Today Staples is arguing that MacT’s biggest mistake was hiring Dallas Eakins—not on the surface a highly contentious proposition—with no reference whatsoever to the possibility that the players learned something valuable in their year of XO Reform School—something of lasting value that Nelson subsequently has succeeded in building upon.

    Because Oilers narrative rule #1: prospects can be permanently damaged by being rushed to a level where they don’t perform to a certain replacement standard.

    Because Oilers narrative rule #2: a coach who doesn’t win actual hockey games—even if he’s winning on many or most statistics—can have no positive long-term impact whatsoever on the players under his tutelage.

    ———

    I have an iron-clad rule to judge a person not by the dumbest thing they put forward—we all put forward dumb things—but rather by the dumbest thing they put forward that they won’t fix.

    It’s that tiny, dangling “won’t fix” sign that leaves a permanent black mark on my tally stick of personal esteem.

    With Staples, it’s about one post in five where I can hardly restrain myself from sending an Amazon delivery drone over Staples’ back fence to drop a pair of shiny wire cutters into his backyard bird bath. For the other 80%, he’s a member of the Enlightenment in good standing.

  66. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Yes, and a quick seach refutes your claims.

  67. Pouzar says:

    Hall may never see that 1st line again.

  68. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    Yes, and a quick seach refutes your claims.

    Which claim…that the Sabres had a tremendous drafting record while Benning was there?

    I don’t think so.

  69. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Benning’s historical drafting (even for players like McKee, which he was unlikely involved in) has little to do with his future performance. I can believe that Vancover will continue to be a poor drafting and developing team, for the same reasons that you can believe that Edmonton can’t get any better.

    Vancouver has a history of being remarkably poor at drafting and developing.

    It’s not going to change, any time soon.

  70. Rondo says:

    Leon Draisaitl 2G 1A so far end of the 2nd period

  71. godot10 says:

    Don Luce was the guy primarily responsible for Buffalo’s great drafting record.

  72. godot10 says:

    Heinz 57:
    Today Staples is arguing that MacT’s biggest mistake was hiring Dallas Eakins—not on the surface a highly contentious proposition—with no reference whatsoever to the possibility that the players learned something valuable in their year of XO Reform School—something of lasting value that Nelson subsequently has succeeded in building upon.

    The Oiler players learnt one and only thing…what the good hair products are! -).

  73. Gordies Elbow says:

    godot10,

    It was Tambellini!!! (damn, thought we were talking about the Canucks.)

    🙂

  74. Dashingsilverfox says:

    godot10:
    Don Luce was the guy primarily responsible for Buffalo’s great drafting record.

    Luce was Director of Player Development while Benning was Director of Amateur Scouting between 1998 and 2004.

    I’m sure they both played a role in the Sabres success.

  75. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    So, how do you judge success for the Canucks, under Benning? For player development, what metrics do you use?

  76. Ben says:

    Taylor Hall with some very strong penalty killing tonight.

  77. stush18 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: You asked for specifics and I provided them.

    So you dont deny being a troll then?

  78. Pouzar says:

    I am making a mint betting against the Tankers (AZ/BUF) when they score first…and a few when they score the first 2.

  79. Lowetide says:

    4-3 Oil after two periods. Wildly entertaining but Oilers could lose 12-4.

  80. Derek says:

    Uh, is this interview being done in a studio with a tropical backdrop…?

  81. striatic says:

    Derek,

    they’ve got a semi-transparent scrim surrounding the table.

  82. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    So, how do you judge success for the Canucks, under Benning? For player development, what metrics do you use?

    He’s only been on the job for 18 months…too early to assess his success or failure.

    He and Desjardins have brought Bo Horvat along slowly and he has responded very well with 13 goals and 23 points in 57 games while playing 3-4 line minutes.

    He’s been getting better with 4 goals in his last 10GP and his face-off percentage is very good.

    It’ll take more time to see how they deal with Virtanen, McCann, Cassels, Shinkaruk etc. but they seem content to bring their prospects along slowly rather than throw them in the deep end despite the fact they are in a playoff race.

  83. G Money says:

    Buffalo? Vancouver?

    Oh yeah.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5kPUFxXYLs

  84. Pouzar says:

    And Marincin dragging Ference’s carcass to positive Corgi territory.

  85. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Well, I get that it’s only been 18 months, but that said, you should have at least an idea of metrics at this point.

    If Horvat is at 23 points this year, what is reasonable for next season? Second to third liner 30-40 points? Maybe more?

    You should be able to give reasonable values for goals and points for next year for:
    Virtanen:
    McCann:
    Cassels:
    Shinkaruk:

    Please, let Edmonton fans know what you think the Vancouver prospects will do next year…

  86. Pouzar says:

    NN in no mans land again.

  87. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    Well, I get that it’s only been 18 months, but that said, you should have at least an idea of metrics at this point.

    If Horvat is at 23 points this year, what is reasonable for next season? Second to third liner 30-40 points? Maybe more?

    You should be able to give reasonable values for goals and points for next year for:
    Virtanen:
    McCann:
    Cassels:
    Shinkaruk:

    Please, let Edmonton fans know what you think the Vancouver prospects will do next year…

    Development metrics?

    Surely you jest.

    I’d be all over looking at that formula….maybe a Fibonacci Sequence. 🙂

    How about this…

    Nail Yakupov is enjoying a resurgence, right?

    Here are the 5V5 numbers (Horvat doesn’t get PP time) this season.

    5v5 P/60

    Yakupov – 1.07

    Horvat – 1.95

    It would appear one of these players, despite being picked later in the draft and being substantially younger, is tracking much better than the other.

    Is that drafting or development?

    Hell if I know.

  88. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Do the Oilers have a defense?

    Yikes.

  89. Ozzieoiler says:

    At least Vandevelde hasn’t scored.

    I used to ex-oilers breaking their drought against us or scoring the game winner.

  90. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Development metrics?

    Surely you jest.

    I’d be all over looking at that formula….maybe a Fibonacci Sequence.

    How about this…

    Nail Yakupov is enjoying a resurgence, right?

    Here are the 5V5 numbers (Horvat doesn’t get PP time)this season.

    5v5 P/60

    Yakupov – 1.07

    Horvat – 1.95

    It would appear one of these players, despite being picked later in the draft and being substantially younger, is tracking much better than the other.

    Is that drafting or development?

    Hell if I know.

    I didn’t ask about Yakupov.

    Didn’t ask you about Horvat.

    Didn’t ask about points, per se.

    Didn’t ask anything to do with Edmonton, intentionally.

    Asked:


    If Horvat is at 23 points this year, what is reasonable for next season? Second to third liner 30-40 points? Maybe more?
    You should be able to give reasonable values for goals and points for next year for:
    Virtanen:
    McCann:
    Cassels:
    Shinkaruk:

  91. Lowetide says:

    Corgi’s barking, MM appears to be able to get Ference over 50% 5×5 Corsi. Hell’s bells.

  92. Pouzar says:

    NN is a gem. Useless pinch followed by a rushed icing. We are f^cked next year ladies and gentlemen #FN

  93. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Corgi’s barking, MM appears to be able to get Ference over 50% 5×5 Corsi. Hell’s bells.

    Hey….get your own damn blog!

  94. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow: I didn’t ask about Yakupov.

    Didn’t ask you aboutHorvat.

    Didn’t ask about points, per se.

    Didn’t ask anythingto do with Edmonton, intentionally.

    Asked:


    If Horvat is at 23 points this year, what is reasonable for next season? Second to third liner 30-40 points? Maybe more?
    You should be able to give reasonable values for goals and points for next year for:
    Virtanen:
    McCann:
    Cassels:
    Shinkaruk:


    You’re asking things that no one can answer.

    Not even Benning or Desjardins.

    I think you can have some reasonable expectations of Horvat based on his play this season.

    I would imagine he could easily be a 20 goal 40 point centre next season but that depends on how the Canucks deploy him vis a vis Nick Bonino.

    The Canucks have a very deep group of forwards so it’s impossible to project if any of the others will even make the lineup although Virtanen might.

    But then again, none of us knows what offseason moves the team might make.

    How many points will Darnell Nurse score next season.

    Silly question isn’t it.?

  95. Pouzar says:

    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer 1m1 minute ago
    Leon Draisaitl 2-1-3 tonight. 7 points final 2 regular season games. 19-34-53 in 32 GP, +14 after getting sent back to Junior

  96. Pouzar says:

    I’m pretty sure the man with no name is a shiny blue bubble in the shutdown quadrant again but he will have to “make the team” again next year.

  97. TemujinBC says:

    Gordies Elbow,

    My buddy Zandberg of Nucksmisconduct.com says he figures Horvat is the heir apparent to Henrick as #1.

    Now, he’d been drinking at the time (LOL) but I’ve seen Horvat really good this year. The Sedins are 34.

  98. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    So, because it cannot be proved in advance (“things that no one can answer”) you can’t project anything, right?

    “Not even Benning or Desjardins” can predict, or have an effect, on the future, based on what you say?

    If so, the Canucks are truly and deeply screwed, as they’re much worse than any team.

    I get why you wont give predictions,

    So does everyone reading this blog.

    Sad.

  99. Pouzar says:

    Hey LT…….I guess we’re the only ones watching the game.

    It’ll soon be over don’t worry.

  100. Pouzar says:

    Holy 3rd Liner Batman!

  101. knighttown says:

    Gutsy of Nelson to start with 4 forwards in overtime.

  102. pocession charge says:

    Gordies Elbow: I didn’t ask about Yakupov.

    Didn’t ask you aboutHorvat.

    Didn’t ask about points, per se.

    Didn’t ask anythingto do with Edmonton, intentionally.

    Asked:


    If Horvat is at 23 points this year, what is reasonable for next season? Second to third liner 30-40 points? Maybe more?
    You should be able to give reasonable values for goals and points for next year for:
    Virtanen:
    McCann:
    Cassels:
    Shinkaruk:


    I think Virtanen makes the team next year but the rest likely won’t. Cole Cassels sure looks like a fantastic prospect and McCann is tracking well, too. I’m not too impressed by Shinkaruk.

  103. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    So, because it cannot be proved in advance (“things that no one can answer”) you can’t project anything, right?

    “Not even Benning or Desjardins” can predict, or have an effect, on the future, based on what you say?

    If so, the Canucks are truly and deeply screwed, as they’re much worse than any team.

    I get why you wont give predictions,

    So does everyone reading this blog.

    Sad.

    As LT would say…you develop a past.

    Both Benning and Desjardins have exceptional success in the past.

    Suggesting the Canucks are “much worse than any team” is beyond reality.

    They’re 13th in the league at the moment, headed for the playoffs and there is absolutely no reason to think they won”t be as good or better next season.

    I will predict the Canucks will finish ahead of the Oilers in the standings next season and I’m willing to bet a bottle of Talisker on that.

    Are you in?

  104. Derek says:

    The Nuge is a cool dude.

  105. wheatnoil says:

    knighttown:
    Gutsy of Nelson to start with 4 forwards in overtime.

    Have you seen our defense?

  106. Ice Sage says:

    It’s a shame about Ray

  107. Dashingsilverfox says:

    pocession charge: I think Virtanen makes the team next year but the rest likely won’t.Cole Cassels sure looks like a fantastic prospect and McCann is tracking well, too.I’m not too impressed by Shinkaruk.

    I think you nailed it.

    Likely Virtanen next year, Cassels and McCann after a year in the AHL.

    Shinkaruk seems to be having problems dealing with playing with the big boys.

  108. frjohnk says:

    Derek:
    The Nuge is a cool dude.

    Not bad for a 3rd line center

  109. Ice Sage says:

    Nikitin with some nice poise in the 3rd & OT.

  110. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gotta be careful here…only 7 points behind the Leafs!

  111. Jon K says:

    Man, if only Nuge was a first line centre and could break the 50 point mark. Bust.

  112. Lowetide says:

    Pouzar:
    Hey LT…….I guess we’re the only ones watching the game.

    It’ll soon be over don’t worry.

    NUGE!!!

  113. pocession charge says:

    Pouzar:
    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer1m1 minute ago
    Leon Draisaitl 2-1-3 tonight. 7 points final 2 regular season games. 19-34-53 in 32 GP, +14 after getting sent back to Junior

    Not sure if you watched last night’s game on TV but he was killing it. Goals and assists notwithstanding, he was dominant in the faceoff circle and puck pocession.

  114. Pouzar says:

    pocession charge: Not sure if you watched last night’s game on TV but he was killing it.Goals and assists notwithstanding, he was dominant in the faceoff circle and puck pocession.

    I watched a bit of it but Bruce had some nice updates on Twitter I was following.
    Drai is a lot like Nuge for me when Nuge was drafted and played his first few games. That is I have zero doubt Drai will be a gem for this team.

  115. Pouzar says:

    Jack Michaels ‏@EdmontonJack 36s37 seconds ago
    Oilers finish 15-14-3 against the Eastern Conference this year.

  116. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Clearly, we know that you’ve never answered the specifics of the questions.

    From your quote

    “As LT would say…you develop a past.
    Both Benning and Desjardins have exceptional success in the past.”

    Is that the same past as Tortorella and Tambellini?” Or Messier?

    “They’re 13th in the league at the moment, headed for the playoffs and there is absolutely no reason to think they won”t be as good or better next season.” They’re going to be older, no reason to think that they wouldn’t be worse.

    “I will predict the Canucks will finish ahead of the Oilers in the standings next season and I’m willing to bet a bottle of Talisker on that.”

    For a bet, how about gambling on:

    If Horvat is at 23 points this year, what is reasonable for next season? Second to third liner 30-40 points? Maybe more?
    You should be able to give reasonable values for goals and points for next year for:
    Virtanen:
    McCann:
    Cassels:
    Shinkaruk:

  117. G Money says:

    The after hours gang sound like they were reading the blog today!

  118. Pouzar says:

    And Marincin officially carries Captain over the threshold.
    Poor poor Fayne.

  119. wheatnoil says:

    Pouzar:
    And Marincin officially carries Captain over the threshold.
    Poor poor Fayne.

    Clearly Marincin is playing for corsi. Gaming the system.

  120. pocession charge says:

    Jon K:
    Man, if only Nuge was a first line centre and could break the 50 point mark. Bust.

    He’s really turned a corner. I mean, he’s always been good but is now looking like a true 1OV. That Hall injury might have been a blessing in disguise for the team. Or maybe Hrudey’s comments lit a fire under him.

  121. rickithebear says:

    Since the all-star break:
    RNH:
    20gm 10G 12A 22P 1.10 PPG Even
    Eberle:
    20gm 5G 20A 1.25 PPG -2
    Pouliot
    15gm 5G 4A .60 PPG -1
    Yak
    19gm 7G 8A .79 PPG -9
    Roy
    20gm 5G 5A .50 PPG -8
    Purcell
    20gm 4G 4A .40 PPG -8
    Lander
    11gm 5G 0A .46 PPG -11

  122. Oddspell says:

    pocession charge,

    Kidding aside, it looks like he’s finally going to break 60 points. Over/under on 65? He has 22 points in the last 20 games. Eberle has 25 in that same stretch. There are only 3 games down that stretch where one of them gets a point and the other doesn’t.

    I’m so glad those two are reunited, they were an unstoppable duo in Nuge’s rookie season, it looks like they’re rediscovering some of that swagger. They seem to put up points better with a big fore checking possession winger on their line. Pouliot plays the same role that Harski and Jones(?) did in 2011-12 except he’s a far better hockey player.

  123. Tom Benjamin says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    If Horvat is at 23 points this year, what is reasonable for next season? Second to third liner 30-40 points? Maybe more?
    You should be able to give reasonable values for goals and points for next year for:
    Virtanen:
    McCann:
    Cassels:
    Shinkaruk:

    Why on earth should anyone be able to do this?

    I don’t understand how you can claim that the Canucks do not produce players. Most of the players on the team were developed by the Canucks and they have been an excellent team. Isn’t that a prima facie case? They must be doing something right. Maybe you don’t give them credit for finding Burrows or Tanev? Both would be considered successful first round picks.

    Successful team. Largely home grown. I don’t think you can reconcile those two facts with your claim that the Canucks are lousy at player production. What other metrics are relevant? Why?

    Horvat is a 19 year old centre who made the team because he can give the team quality NHL defense against good players. In the second half he’s begun to deliver offense. At the very least he’s going to be a good player and he might turn out to be outstanding. I don’t think any of the other three will make the team next year.

    Benning will be judged on his record, like every other GM. So far he’s making pretty good decisions.

  124. AZOIL says:

    Never watched the game and haven’t heard much about Hall tonight? How did he play? What line? With Roy and Yakkity Yak?

  125. SwedishPoster says:

    Sorry to interrupt the annual “Canucks prospect developement & psychic ability on noted developement conference” but just came to comment on tonights game. Don’t know if that is ok?

    Well since I am a native of one of the worlds more arrogant countries I’ll add my 0.02 anyway. Tonight(or really this morning) was another example that Nelson has found this teams offense but still has a lot of work to do in the other end. A lot of that is the players he has to work with ofc, only D-man I liked tonight was Oscar, but part of it is systemical, way to sloppy in covering the danger areas all night.
    But a win is a win and the offensive talents are humming. Hall had a tonne of cobwebs but started to find himself in the 3rd. The Roy line had a bit of an off game but they also got a surprising amount of time against the Giroux line. Is this Nelson testing them at the end of a lost season or what was the thinking behind this? They managed to stay even steven on the night but didn’t have a lot of offensive zone time, Yak had his most quiet game in a while but still got some looks and offensive contributions while throwing some solid hits. He’s really come a long way the last few weeks.
    Miller is like the rest of the Oilers, he can do good things at the offensive end but has trouble in the d-zone.
    Scrivens is such a rollercoaster of a goalie, bad goal-crazy save-stupid give away-great save-silly penalty-good save-soft goal-insane save. Not really the steady presence you want in net.

    Neslon should get next season on the basis of the young kids finding their offensive game alone Give him a chance to figure out the defense with a full pre-season and training camp. If he fails at that, the production from the young stars will have pumped up their value enough so that you can trade them for quality defensive help.

  126. SwedishPoster says:

    Oh and I loved the three fwd OT. Why not go out guns a-blazing when d isn’t your forte?

  127. stevezie says:

    We all love Yak the human, and love watching Yak the player, We all agree that by eye he looks like he has turned a corner. We are all weary of taking such sublime talent for granted. I love that guy.

    But do his underlying numbers suggest over his recent offensive explosion suggest that trading him now that he is intrguing again is the right thing to do? Does drafting Marner affect this?

    On that last note, whatever seperation there is between Marner, Strome and Hanafin, it is slim. If we pick third, I hope we trade down to fifth. We have holes at every position.

    Sorry if this is stupid. It is late in St John’s and there were birthday parties.

  128. G Money says:

    *** WEIRD NERD ALERT ***

    Working late into the night on my shot quality project.

    Weird true fact:

    As of tonight’s games, over the last three seasons and 2932 games, *exactly 140,000 even strength shots have been recorded at net.

    *I’m quite certain that a few data errors and/or a few missed games or some other nonsense is buried in that data, so take with grain of salt. What’s recorded in my database is likely not exactly what the NHL has recorded.

    Nonetheless … interestingly odd that it is such an interestingly even number.

  129. frjohnk says:

    G Money:
    *** WEIRD NERD ALERT ***

    Working late into the night on my shot quality project.

    Weird true fact:

    As of tonight’s games, over the last three seasons and 2932 games, *exactly 140,000 even strength shots have been recorded at net.

    *I’m quite certain that a few data errors and/or a few missed games or some other nonsense is buried in that data, so take with grain of salt.What’s recorded in my database is likely not exactly what the NHL has recorded.

    Nonetheless … interestingly odd that it is such an interestingly even number.

    looking forward to it.

  130. book¡je says:

    Ice Sage: It’s a shame about Ray

    I’ve never been too good with names

  131. book¡je says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    Do the Oilers have a defense?

    Yikes.

    Outside of Petry, not really – oh wait, I mean no.

  132. book¡je says:

    Just to answer my own question.

    I hope the Oilers go 11-0 winning all of their remaining games and the draft lottery.

  133. Traktor says:

    Good or bad but Eakins would not have played miller in overtime. Nelson is just a totally different coach.

  134. godot10 says:

    rickithebear:
    Since the all-star break:
    RNH:
    20gm 10G 12A 22P 1.10 PPG Even
    Eberle:
    20gm 5G 20A 1.25 PPG -2
    Pouliot
    15gm 5G 4A .60 PPG -1
    Yak
    19gm 7G 8A .79 PPG -9
    Roy
    20gm 5G 5A .50 PPG -8
    Purcell
    20gm 4G 4A .40 PPG -8
    Lander
    11gm 5G 0A .46 PPG -11

    Dementor-free results!

  135. Traktor says:

    godot10: Dementor-free results!

    Yeah but what’s there Corsi

  136. GCW_69 says:

    Pouzar:
    And Marincin officially carries Captain over the threshold.
    Poor poor Fayne.

    There were only two reasons I could think of to put Marincin with Ference instead of Nikitin. One – Nelson was attempting to prop up Ference and didn’t trust Nikitin to do it. Got to love it when you need guys with less than 80 games of experience to prop up your captain, if that is the reason.

    Or two – Nelson is attempting to please MacT by putting Nikitin in a top four role. If that’s the case I will have lost a little respect for Nelson.

  137. Lowetide says:

    Traktor:
    Good or bad but Eakins would not have played miller in overtime. Nelson is just a totally different coach.

    Yeah, I noticed that too. Nelson has been a Godsend for the organization in terms of showing possible role players for the future. All of sudden hockey players are appearing out of nowhere and doing some good things.

  138. godot10 says:

    Traktor: Yeah but what’s there Corsi

    The Dementor said they couldn’t score, and that they had no talent.

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