JETS AT OILERS, G73 2014-15

The Edmonton Oilers have three home games this week (Colorado and Dallas later) and it begins with the Winnipeg Jets here tonight. The club is 13-17-6 under Todd Nelson solo and I’m sure the coach is thinking about adding some W’s to his resume before the big decisions go down over the summer. As he should. The GM? Well, it’s good to win these games but lordy there’s a generational talent out there and winning the lottery may turn a subpar GM into Sam Pollock. Draft McDavid and you get smarter in a heartbeat.

standings mar 22

I don’t think the Oilers catch Arizona or Buffalo (despite their head to head battles to come) and that means it’s likely Edmonton will select No. 3 or No. 4 overall. There’s outstanding talent here but it won’t help immediately—and that could be good for this management group. This franchise is going to get another tremendous player, someone to add to the list that began with Jordan Eberle and now includes Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Oscar Klefbom, Nail Yakupov, Darnell Nurse, Leon Draisaitl and Justin Schultz. Justin Schultz? Does Justin Schultz belong on that list? More in a minute.

LOWETIDE TOP 10, 2015 DRAFT

  1. (1)C Connor McDavid, Erie Otters (OHL) 47GP, 44-76-120 (2.55)
  2. (2)C Jack Eichel, Boston U (NCAA) 36GP, 22-42-64 (1.83)
  3. (3)R Mitch Marner, London Knights (OHL) 63GP, 44-82-126  (2.00)
  4. (4)D Noah Hanifin, Boston College (NCAA) 36GP, 5-18-23 (.639)
  5. (5)C Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (OHL) 68GP, 45-84-129 (1.90)
  6. (6) D Ivan Provorov, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) 60GP, 15-46-61 (1.02)
  7. (8) C Mathew Barzal, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) 44GP, 12-45-57 (1.30)
  8. (7) D Zach Werenski, Michigan (NCAA) 34GP, 9-16-25 (.735)
  9. (10) C Nick Merkley, Kelowna Rockets (WHL) 72GP, 20-70-90 (1.25)
  10. (11) R Evgeni Svechnikov, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles (QMJHL) 55GP, 32-46-78 (1.42)

I think any of the top five as listed here would be a dynamite addition and you could probably talk a few people into that Russian defender playing in Brandon if you had a mind to in the next few weeks. I bet the Oilers love Lawson Crouse too, it’s a matter of how much. Corey Pronman mentioned Edmonton’s interest in Marner awhile back so we know they’re contemplating all available options (I’ll have Pronman on the Lowdown this morning). If the Oilers end up taking Marner and he eventually grabs the 2RW job, you could eventually see the top two lines being Hall—Nuge—Eberle and Yakupov—Draisaitl—Marner. That’s an enormous amount of talent.

 WHAT TO DO ABOUT JUSTIN (HockeyAnalysis & BTN)

PLAYER 12-13 13-14 14-15
5X5 CORSI FOR % 44.0 42.7 50.4
OFFENSIVE ZONE STARTS 48.1 46.4 63.4
QUAL COMP (among D’s) No. 5 No. 4 No. 6
5×5/60 0.83 0.89 0.82
5×4/60 5.17 2.29 2.87

Eakins used Schultz in a different (better) manner this year and one hopes coach Nelson continues the ZS push. If we’re looking for a Dellow-aided usage this would be it. Corsi over 50%, ZS push for the guy who should be able to do something with it, soft parade (although the opposition has something to say about that, too). Here are Schultz’ partners this year with minutes and their 5×5 Corsi for % together:

  1. Oscar Klefbom (52.6) (534 minutes)
  2. Niki Nikitin (43.4) (160 minutes)
  3. Andrew Ference (42.4) (154 minutes)
  4. Brad Hunt (51.1) (130 minutes)
  5. Keith Aulie (51.9) (74 minutes)
  6. Martin Marincin (56.3) (59 minutes)

Huh. Oscar Klefbom and shove them into the O-zone every time you get a chance. Of course, you’re going to have to pay this guy and the other four defensemen have to be Pronger but it’s a plan! Seriously, if you can bring Schultz back at the same number, do you consider it? Seems like there’s a fit here in that very specific window. By the way, 0.82 5×5/60 ranks No. 70 overall in the NHL this season. Paying Schultz big money is crazy but a one-year deal under $4 million? Thoughts?

Here’s what I think: At some point, maybe next season, Klefbom is going to be far too valuable to babysit Schultz (Marincin will be too, for that matter) and the Oilers will be spending $4M large on a one-dimensional defenseman. This team can’t turn north with Schultz, Ference and Nikitin, I don’t see a way. If Craig MacTavish follows through on the idea of running those three as half of next year’s blue, the trending on each of these three defensemen better turn around in a quick hurry.

OILERS CHL STATS AND NHLE 2014-15

NAME, LEAGUE 2014-15 STATS NHLE
LEON DRAISAITL WHL 32GP, 19-34-53 82GP, 15-26-41
KYLE PLATZER OHL 68GP, 34-47-81 82GP, 12-17-29
GREG CHASE WHL 61GP, 20-39-59 82GP, 8-16-24
DARNELL NURSE OHL 36GP, 10-23-33 82GP, 7-16-23
MARCO ROY QMJHL 59GP, 26-24-50 82GP, 11-10-21
JACKSON HOUCK WHL 66GP, 22-29-51 82GP, 8-11-19
BEN BETKER WHL 64GP, 6-25-31 82GP, 2-10-12
KEVEN BOUCHARD QMJHL 36GP, 3.85 .872

There are some good seasons here, Leon did a very nice job in Kelowna and delivered quality offense in a two-way role. Platzer was drafted without the benefit of a quality season (he was basically a utility player on a deep team) but blossomed in Owen Sound. If I had one vote, he would be the guy Edmonton signs as we head toward the deadline. Greg Chase had a strange start to the season but got untracked on the coast and I am looking forward to tracking his career in pro hockey beginning this fall. I think those numbers for Nurse are a pretty good estimate of his offense and added to the considerable defensive ability Oilers fans should be very pleased with his progress and future.

I’m uncertain about the Oilers position on Houck and Roy. There are significant pressures on the 50-man list and it may come down to choosing between Roy, Matt Fraser, Josh Winquist and Curtis Hamilton for a contract next year. The current LW depth chart at the pro level is Hall, Pouliot, Hendricks, Fraser, Gazdic, Ryan Hamilton, Curtis Hamilton, Mitch Moroz, Kale Kessy. Matt Fraser and Curtis Hamilton are RFA’s, Anton Slepyshev may be in the mix.

It’s completely possible we see the LW depth chart next season look like this: Hall, Pouliot, Perron replacement, Hendricks, Gazdic, Ryan Hamilton, Curtis Hamilton, Mitch Moroz, Kale Kessy, Josh Winquist. Why? Well, in the two periods this season where Winquist was a feature player, he’s posted 4-7-11 in nine games.  He’s a younger prospect than Hamilton and more offensively capable than Moroz and Kessy. The question: Is he fast enough? I don’t know. Either way, I’d sure as hell sign Marco Roy, as a center or a wing. Two-way guys with speed don’t grow on trees. The other guy to watch for is Anton Slepyshev.

There are no first-round talents to be signed this spring but Josh Winquist, Joey Laleggia, Anton Slepyshev, Kyle Platzer, Marco Roy, Jackson Houck and Ben Betker have played well enough to earn contracts in this blog’s opinion. Is there room? Don’t know.

rigg

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy Monday as we hit the ground running with terrific guests! 10 this morning, TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Scott Burnside, ESPN. We’ll talk Bruins—Senators and a very unlikely playoff race in the Eastern Conference, plus Scott’s article on Mike Ribeiro.
  • Kent Ridley, Ridley Scouting. The CFL’s regional combines begin today in Edmonton, we’ll talk about the deepest draft in years and I’ll ask Kent about O-linemen (the Eskimos are pretty well stocked in receivers but as always need some help along the line).
  • Corey Pronman, ESPN. We’re getting down to the real business of draft analysis now, as three candidates for No. 3 have emerged (Hanifin, Strome, Marner). We’ll discuss the trio and find out if there’s any gap at all between the three. Questions welcome, post in comments or at Lowetide_ on twitter, 10-1260 text.
  • Dennis King, Oilogosphere Icon. We’ll look back on 1990 spring, when the Jets should have beaten the Oilers but couldn’t do it, and compare that period of time with today. The Jets are coming to town for two points they need and Edmonton does not. Shame.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide_ on twitter.

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  1. Pouzar says:

    Why the f^ck was Scrivens moving laterally on that goal? WHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYY????

  2. Lois Lowe says:

    Matty’s already penning his Drew Stafford column.

  3. G Money says:

    “Taylor Hall isn’t really developing. He’s the one that’s expendable. You might be able to get a good goalie or a good defenseman for him.”

    Man, I expect Grade A stupidity from SportsNet commentators.

    But that was so brain-piercingly stupid, my ears just started bleeding.

  4. JAG-041 says:

    G Money:
    “Taylor Hall isn’t really developing.He’s the one that’s expendable.You might be able to get a good goalie or a good defenseman for him.”

    Man, I expect Grade A stupidity from SportsNet commentators.

    But that was so brain-piercingly stupid, my ears just started bleeding.

    I came here after hearing that just knowing someone would bring it up

    I hate sportsnet for just the same crap

    Nuge is also a 3rd line centre dontyaknow?

  5. JAG-041 says:

    JAG-041: I came here after hearing that just knowing someone would bring it up

    I hate sportsnet for just the same crap

    Nuge is also a 3rd line centre dontyaknow?

    Although that was TSN though wasn’t it?

  6. VanOil says:

    G Money:
    “Taylor Hall isn’t really developing.He’s the one that’s expendable.You might be able to get a good goalie or a good defenseman for him.”

    Man, I expect Grade A stupidity from SportsNet commentators.

    But that was so brain-piercingly stupid, my ears just started bleeding.

    Only 11 more years

  7. TemujinBC says:

    Nuge and Eberle have shown they are superstars, but the odd man out is Hall.

    Expendable Piece.

    The shark…. I know it’s been jumped on Rogers a long time ago… but it has been jumped again.

  8. frjohnk says:

    G Money:
    “Taylor Hall isn’t really developing.He’s the one that’s expendable.You might be able to get a good goalie or a good defenseman for him.”

    Man, I expect Grade A stupidity from SportsNet commentators.

    But that was so brain-piercingly stupid, my ears just started bleeding.

    Brutal commentary.

    Were hirsch and Ruchhin under a rock when Hall was a top 10 ppg over the last two years.

    Maybe these uninformed commentators should be told Hall has had 9 injury free games this year.

  9. Pouzar says:

    The great Winnipeg Jets really dominated possession that period.

  10. Pouzar says:

    G Money:
    “Taylor Hall isn’t really developing.He’s the one that’s expendable.You might be able to get a good goalie or a good defenseman for him.”

    Man, I expect Grade A stupidity from SportsNet commentators.

    But that was so brain-piercingly stupid, my ears just started bleeding.

    You could get a good goalie for him.

  11. VanOil says:

    TemujinBC:
    The shark….I know it’s been jumped on Rogers a long time ago… but it has been jumped again.

    I blame MacT for employing hockey Fonzie as a coach. I bet he water skis.

  12. pocession charge says:

    Pouzar:
    Why the f^ck was Scrivens moving laterally on that goal? WHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYY????

    Yeah he looks so awkward. Too much movement — he’s got happy feet.

  13. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    “Taylor Hall isn’t really developing.He’s the one that’s expendable.You might be able to get a good goalie or a good defenseman for him.”

    Man, I expect Grade A stupidity from SportsNet commentators.

    But that was so brain-piercingly stupid, my ears just started bleeding.

    Absolutely an insult. Ridiculous.

  14. G Money says:

    TemujinBC:
    Nuge and Eberle have shown they are superstars, but the odd man out is Hall.

    Expendable Piece.

    The shark….I know it’s been jumped on Rogers a long time ago… but it has been jumped again.

    This was a shark jumping over a unicorn that was already in the process of jumping over a shark.

  15. TemujinBC says:

    I hope someone PVR’d that intermission panel. It’s worth holding onto.

    Losing Ference is like addition by subtraction, but it sucks that Gordon hasn’t returned.

  16. G Money says:

    If Taylor Hall wasn’t so expendable, he would have scored on that shot.

  17. Pouzar says:

    Jezzuz Hall.

  18. Lowetide says:

    Taylor Hall with an awful play there. Lordy.

  19. G Money says:

    I have to give credit to the Jinnipeg Wets, their coverage on the ice is both tight and unrelenting.

    The Oilers need their brains and skates at 100% to get away, and they’re skating in sand right now.

  20. G Money says:

    Too much passing, not enough shooting and going for the rebound.

    Oilers demonstrating the high correlation between shot attempts and scoring chances…

  21. Pouzar says:

    Good stick by Jultz there…

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 22s23 seconds ago
    #Oilers Boyd Gordon (back) and Andrew Ference (upper body) will not return to tonight’s game. #WPGvsEDM

  22. Pouzar says:

    G Money:
    Too much passing, not even shooting and going for the rebound.

    Oilers demonstrating the high correlation between shot attempts and scoring chances…

    More tminus4 Corsi

  23. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 1m1 minute ago

    #Oilers Boyd Gordon (back) and Andrew Ference (upper body) will not return to tonight’s game. #WPGvsEDM

  24. striatic says:

    Lately I’ve been thinking it might make sense to trade Hall, but not because he is less developed than RNH or Eberle – more about the possibility of a really good return and because of the trio I think he’s the least likely to re-sign in Edmonton. Also his play style as it relates to injury worries me. Asset management stuff.

    .. but to suggest that Hall isn’t developing is asinine. He is the best player on the Oilers by not a small gap, RNH and Eberle included.

  25. Pouzar says:

    SIGH

  26. JAG-041 says:

    four and a half million of brilliance!

  27. Gerta Rauss says:

    It’s inevitable that we get Stempniak’d

    Doesn’t matter what uniform the guy is wearing, he usually pots 1 or 2 when he plays us

  28. John Chambers says:

    Buffalo might get back into the win column tonight which would beg the question – how the hell did they manage to win more than 20 games this season?

  29. JAG-041 says:

    Lowetide: Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 1m1 minute ago

    If MacT did this for the tank then it really shows how poorly he’s able to recognize quality D…

  30. Dashingsilverfox says:

    John Chambers:
    Buffalo might get back into the win column tonight which would beg the question – how the hell did they manage to win more than 20 games this season?

    Seguin.

  31. G Money says:

    John Chambers,

    Goaltending cures all. They had decent goaltending until they traded both goalies.

    And it must aggravate Maloney no end that he’s been getting better-than-he-expected goaltending from the shooter tutor he thought he was hiring.

    #GreatestTankBattles

  32. G Money says:

    G Money,

    Ooops, sorry, not Maloney. I meant the other guy. Tim, not Don.

  33. JAG-041 says:

    If Nikitin keeps playing with Klefbom I think we could see his contract extended 😀

  34. JAG-041 says:

    JAG-041:
    If Nikitin keeps playing with Klefbom I think we could see his contract extended

    okay I take that back… we’ll trade Klefbom for a bag of pucks… not even he can stop that tire fire

  35. Ryan says:

    Is strudwick’s shift record in danger from Nikitin?

  36. G Money says:

    That’s three times you’ve been expendable, Hall!

  37. Younger Oil says:

    Does anyone have Nikitin’s corgis for the game so far? I’ve only watched the second period, but every single one of his shifts have seemed to be entirely in our own end.

  38. VanOil says:

    I am struggling to find motivation to watch the third period

  39. Pouzar says:

    Younger Oil:
    Does anyone have Nikitin’s corgis for the game so far? I’ve only watched the second period, but every simgle one of his shifts have seemed to be entirely in our own end.

    He was plus 2 after 1 period

  40. JAG-041 says:

    great… and Marincin with Schultz… must be he can’t be a full time Oiler without learning Jultzing

  41. Pouzar says:

    Holy f6ck NN….not a f^ckin soul around him and he wraps it around the boards for an icing.

  42. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Eakin on a gorgeous pass from Klingberg.

    Dallas 4 – Buffalo 3

  43. Pouzar says:

    I am going to have to turn this game off.
    This is too much.

  44. Ryan says:

    Pouzar: He was plus 2 after 1 period

    He’s actually 14-14 ev.

  45. Younger Oil says:

    ………

    Did Schultz just dodge out of the way of that shot or is it just me?

  46. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Buffalo loses in regulation.

  47. BeerMe says:

    Myers is a franchise defenseman

  48. G Money says:

    I don’t know about you guys, but my entire Shaw cable feed just went down. Not just the channel, but all channels. “Signal loss detected”.

    Even electronic devices are offended by this game.

  49. Captain's Log says:

    I’m at the game and got more entertainment out of the program than the oilers. Leaving after the 2nd and not at all guilty about it .

    Thanks Oilers

  50. VanOil says:

    Younger Oil:
    ………

    Did Schultz just dodge out of the way of that shot or is it just me?

    That’s how it looked from the cheap seats, by that I mean my couch.

  51. JAG-041 says:

    the kids!

  52. Younger Oil says:

    G Money:
    I don’t know about you guys, but my entire Shaw cable feed just went down.Not just the channel, but all channels.“Signal loss detected”.

    Even electronic devices are offended by this game.

    My Shaw feed is still fine!

    Unfortunately.

  53. Ryan says:

    Haven’t watch much of this one until this period. The Klefbomb has 85% ozone starts while sporting a 32 cf%. Rough game?

  54. G Money says:

    Actually, all my Shaw feeds (internet, TV, phone) went down and took a few minutes to come back up.

    This game really is that bad.

  55. pocession charge says:

    Ryan:
    Haven’t watch much of this one until this period.The Klefbomb has 85% ozone starts while sporting a 32 cf%.Rough game?

    Bad Klefbom is playing tonight. Some ugly giveaways and he’s handling the puck like a grenade.

  56. flyfish1168 says:

    G Money:
    “Taylor Hall isn’t really developing.He’s the one that’s expendable.You might be able to get a good goalie or a good defenseman for him.”

    Man, I expect Grade A stupidity from SportsNet commentators.

    But that was so brain-piercingly stupid, my ears just started bleeding.

    Not sure which one is worse. RNH 3rd line center or Hall for a goalie

  57. G Money says:

    pocession charge: Bad Oilers are playing tonight.Some ugly giveaways and they’re handling the puck like a grenade.

    ftfy

  58. pocession charge says:

    BeerMe:
    Myers is a franchise defenseman

    You are seeing him good tonight. Franchise defenceman might be a tad premature.

  59. G Money says:

    That fast forward game is comically awful and shows just how incredibly horrawful the Oilers have been tonight.

  60. pocession charge says:

    G Money:
    That fast forward game is comically awful and shows just how incredibly horrawful the Oilers have been tonight.

    Even in fast forward Nikitin looks slow. 2:55 shift!!

  61. Ryan says:

    pocession charge: Even in fast forward Nikitin looks slow.2:55 shift!!

    I thought he had a chance to take a run at struds that shift, but it didn’t pan out.

  62. pocession charge says:

    Ryan,

    What was Strudwick’s shift time?

  63. Gerta Rauss says:

    That Nuge kid might hit 50 pts yet!!!

  64. pocession charge says:

    Nuge breathes some life into the Oiler carcass.

  65. RexLibris says:

    Nugent-Hopkins! Oilers are going to need their 3rd line to start scoring like that if they plan on improving.

  66. Dashingsilverfox says:

    pocession charge: You are seeing him good tonight.Franchise defenceman might be a tad premature.

    The Jets broadcast crew was saying that Charlie Huddy has been working with him extensively on how to take advantage of his size and reach and it’s starting to pay off.

  67. G Money says:

    Lucky break for both teams – Wheeler is back and Ferenge isn’t.

  68. pocession charge says:

    Ryan,

    Holy shit that’s nuts.

  69. G Money says:

    I’m now behind on time because I had to rewatch that Nikitin trip-on-his-feet play.

    High Comedy.

  70. VanOil says:

    Double Agent is becoming bold with his badness

  71. G Money says:

    Yak needs to unleash that one timer every PP.

    That was a breath takingly irresponsibly dangerous play by Myers.

  72. frjohnk says:

    Nikitin must be playing like this so that the oilers are forced to buy him out.

    Cuz wow! Absolutely wow!

  73. Ryan says:

    frjohnk:
    Nikitin must be playing like this so that the oilers are forced to buy him out.

    Cuz wow! Absolutely wow!

    Maybe he found Grebeshkov’s stash of acid.

  74. rich says:

    I’m getting the sense from the comments here on Nikitin that the opinions are very “mixed”.

    Spits.

  75. pocession charge says:

    frjohnk:
    Nikitin must be playing like this so that the oilers are forced to buy him out.

    Cuz wow! Absolutely wow!

    What are you talking about? He’s an Olympian!

  76. G Money says:

    I like the fact that when Yak gets stymied on a scoring play, he immediately goes looking for someone to hit.

  77. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Ryan,

    It’s the dog whistle.

  78. VanOil says:

    Ryan: Maybe he found Grebeshkov’s stash of acid.

    Or the horse tranquilizers over at the race track

  79. pocession charge says:

    Ryan: Maybe he found Grebeshkov’s stash of acid.

    Mmmm….Rexall brand acid.

  80. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Can someone please post the Double Agents 2:55 shift?
    I would like to add it to my montage entitled “Shit MacT Says.”

  81. G Money says:

    rich:
    I’m getting the sense from the comments here on Nikitin that the opinions are very “mixed”.

    Spits.

    It’s “mixed” like a Britney Spears Katy Perry Justin Bieber mix tape.

  82. pocession charge says:

    There sure are a lot of Myers fanboys out there but I would take Trouba over him all day everyday.

  83. pocession charge says:

    G Money: It’s “mixed” like a Britney Spears Katy Perry Justin Schultz mix tape.

    ftfy

  84. RexLibris says:

    G Money: It’s “mixed” like a Britney Spears Katy Perry Justin Bieber mix tape.

    Throw some S Club 7 in there and sell it on iTunes.

  85. G Money says:

    pocession charge,

    LOL. Well done.

  86. G Money says:

    Man, on that play Double Agent wasn’t even trying to hide the fact that he was passing to the other team.

  87. Dicky94 says:

    frjohnk,

    Sad thing is he won’t be bought out. MacT has convinced himself that he is a top four d man. Really hope he was drinking that day at the press conference. His hockey career will be over after his stint with the Oil. No one would want that on their team.

  88. G Money says:

    This sure looks like a team fighting for the playoffs against a team playing out the string.

  89. Kitchener says:

    Dicky94:
    frjohnk,

    Sad thing is he won’t be bought out. MacT has convinced himself that he is a top four d man. Really hope he was drinking that day at the press conference.His hockey career will be over after his stint with the Oil. No one would want that on their team.

    Buffalo & Arizona may want a top 2016 pick.

  90. Kitchener says:

    G Money:
    Man, on that play Double Agent wasn’t even trying to hide the fact that he was passing to the other team.

    86 makes 19 look like Norris material.

  91. pocession charge says:

    Kitchener: Buffalo & Arizona may want a top 2016 pick.

    They won’t need Niki for that.

  92. Ryan says:

    pocession charge: They won’t need Niki for that.

    Maybe we can also send them Teddy with salary retained.

  93. Dicky94 says:

    pocession charge,

    They would also need Shultz.

  94. flyfish1168 says:

    Kitchener: 86 makes 19 look like Norris material.

    Love it, you made me LMFAO with that one

  95. Kitchener says:

    Back to Marner/Hanifin/Strome: The Oil got pushed around physically tonight. MacT’s maxim of choosing the player who will make ‘the greatest impact on his team’ favors Hanifin/Strome. Unless the Oil draft #5 I’d be shocked if they end up choosing Marner, who seems like a perfect player for a different team.

  96. frjohnk says:

    Kitchener: 86 makes 19 look like Norris material.

    Sad cuz it’s kinda true

  97. frjohnk says:

    Dicky94:
    pocession charge,

    They would also need Shultz.

    And Ference

  98. 719 says:

    Worst part of the loss is Oil management saw Pavelec good tonight.

  99. JAG-041 says:

    719:
    Worst part of the loss is Oil management saw Pavelec good tonight.

    Pavelec’s been playing well down the stretch though
    is he legitimately bad?

  100. jp says:

    flyfish1168: Not sure which one is worse. RNH 3rd line center or Hall for a goalie

    And *might* be able to get a good goalie for him. Jesus.

  101. jp says:

    book¡je: Sure, but none of them came with NTCs or Anchor contracts, so I think its fair to say he was starting at 0 with Petry, Marincin, and Klefbomb developing.Now, the defence is a bunch of nothing and Klefbomb (oh, I forgot to mention Marincin – I always forget that guy for some reason).

    I am pretty sure a better GM could have gotten some better spare parts from other teams to cobble together a functional defence.

    A draft pick for the rights to overpay Nikitin was truly a special move.

  102. Dashingsilverfox says:

    JAG-041: Pavelec’s been playing well down the stretch though
    is he legitimately bad?

    Career .907 save percentage….below average.

  103. JAG-041 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Career .907 save percentage….below average.

    sometimes goalies are later bloomers… point taken though
    average “could be” goaltender

  104. Numenius says:

    I saw Schultz not too bad tonight. He actually used his body and made some good plays that way, coming out with the 3rd highest EV corsi at +4. Maybe he read this blog.

    Nice to see that the possession numbers were also better than the last Wpg game. Score effects no doubt contributed, but the EV shots were 27-19 Oilers, the scoring chances 25-20 Oilers, and the corsi 49-44 Wpg (which is actually getting close to 50%). Last game the Oil got destroyed in corsi despite sending it to OT.

    Edit: Also, really loved Voldemort tonight. His +3 C+/- was 5th on the team.

  105. TemujinBC says:

    @margih99 @Pandhermonium yeah, there's that group of Corsi fanatics who never liked Eberle and refuse to admit they were wrong.— David Staples (@dstaples) March 24, 2015

    @Pandhermonium @margih99 yes, one of them is. Or was when Eakins was in charge. Lots of bad advice comes from Corsi ideologues.— David Staples (@dstaples) March 24, 2015

    Now I see why Staples is so admired around here…

  106. frjohnk says:

    JAG-041: sometimes goalies are later bloomers… point taken though
    average “could be” goaltender

    He is playing well as of late.

    I know about a month and a half ago his save % was .910.

    It is now .917.

  107. McSorley33 says:

    Justin Schultz with over 28 minutes…….

    Nikki with the beer league slapshot to ring the whole rink for icing…..,as Pouzar mentioned.

    Ference getting owned along the boards and gets injured…..

    LT – I have no doubt MacT intends to bring all 3 back….

  108. Numenius says:

    McSorley33: Justin Schultz with over 28 minutes…….

    He deserved them tonight.

  109. AZOIL says:

    I can’t even remember his name, I’m too tired, but our other goalie, what happened to him? Was he injured?

  110. book¡je says:

    I’m starting to think the Oilers are not going to make the playoffs this year and that Justin Schultz is not going to win the Norris.

  111. LadiesloveSmid says:

    book¡je:
    I’m starting to think the Oilers are not going to make the playoffs this year and that Justin Schultz is not going to win the Norris.

    and perhaps, if I’m not overstepping my bounds, Nikitin isn’t a top 4 NHL defenceman

  112. Pouzar says:

    May as well get the talk started now.

    Chris Peters ‏@chrismpeters
    After a 6-point weekend, Auston Matthews now at 90 for season. Third most productive year in NTDP history. Only two w/more: Kane, Kessel

  113. Klima's_Bucket says:

    I tried finding the video of Double Agent’s 2:55 shift. And stumbled across this from last season.

    “2:21 – The length of the shift played by Blue Jackets defensemen Nikita Nikitin and David Savard before Brad Boyes scored the Panthers’ lone goal of the night.”

    Looks like the Olympian hit a new personal best tonight!

  114. dangilitis says:

    Let’s give Hirsch a little break. Dude’s still off his rocker. Obviously he thinks Hall is a great player. Read this exchange on twitter

    Corey Hirsch ‏@CoreyHirsch 3h3 hours ago:
    Lots of Taylor Hall fans out there. Fantastic, he’s a VG player never said he wasn’t. #oilers
    2 retweets 1 favorite

    Me ‏@Wilbur_Underpar 3h3 hours ago @CoreyHirsch:
    But you want the Oilers to trade him for draft picks. That makes sense.

    Corey Hirsch ‏@CoreyHirsch 3h3 hours ago
    @Wilbur_Underpar didn’t say draft picks. Said get a goalie and a D man.
    0 retweets 0 favorites

    Me ‏@Wilbur_Underpar 3h3 hours ago
    @CoreyHirsch Corey you know you are not getting a #1D and a starting goalie for Hall. You won’t get better players than they have now.

    Corey Hirsch ‏@CoreyHirsch 3h3 hours ago @Wilbur_Underpar: how do u know? U know something I don’t?

    Me ‏@Wilbur_Underpar 2h2 hours ago @CoreyHirsch: Tell me the last time a team traded one guy and got legit #1 goalie and legit # 1D?

    Corey Hirsch ‏@CoreyHirsch 2h2 hours ago @Wilbur_Underpar: said one or the other. not both in one trade.

    Me ‏@Wilbur_Underpar 2h2 hours ago @CoreyHirsch: I don’t think they would get one. What team is trading away their starting goalie or first paring D?

    Corey Hirsch ‏@CoreyHirsch 2h2 hours ago @Wilbur_Underpar: for taylor hall?…I disagree. He’s a high end player. Someone would.

    Me ‏@Wilbur_Underpar 2h2 hours ago @CoreyHirsch: Name the team? Everyone says someone would but no one came name a team.
    0 retweets 0 favorites

    Corey HirschVerified account ‏@CoreyHirsch @Wilbur_Underpar: Ugggh uncle.

  115. Lowetide says:

    TemujinBC:
    Now I see why Staples is so admired around here…

    Seemed like David felt the blogs were unfair to Eberle, I never got that feeling. My RE’s aren’t far off (now I’m bragging, don’t mean to) most years and iirc most folks who did projecting had him in the same range as me.

    Either way, long gone and certainly not worth fretting over.

  116. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: Seemed like David felt the blogs were unfair to Eberle, I never got that feeling. My RE’s aren’t far off (now I’m bragging, don’t mean to) most years and iirc most folks who did projecting had him in the same range as me.

    Either way, long gone and certainly not worth fretting over.

    I think he’s been undervalued at least slightly in blogs and absolutely crucified in forums. But he’s a fan favorite again in the latter(for now). What kills me is when I read how bad he was under Eakins. I guess 28 goals and 65 points is not what it used to be.

  117. Bank Shot says:

    MC 79 who was very critical of Staples at times had Eberle pegged as I believe a 45-55 point talent after Eberle’s big sophomore season.

    Tyler was very vocal that Eberle wouldn’t be worth his 6×6 contract.

    I’d say it’s fair game for Staples to point out how far out to lunch Tyler was on Eberle’s talent level based on his statistical analysis.

  118. jimmers2 says:

    Bank Shot,

    My memory is foggy of course, but wasn’t MC79 arguing more that Eberle’s trade value was at its highest possible after his big year (he doubted it would represent mean future performance because of the high shooting %) and that a model GM should seize the opportunity to cash in what was probably an over valued asset? If my memory does serve, he made this argument before the 6×6 contract was signed and also indicated that he liked Eberle’s play just fine. Wouldn’t it be ironic if he argued that the Oilers should trade the young Eberle for a future top line centre or defenseman…

    FWIW, Eberle’s career mean per season point total, not correcting for games lost to injury, strikes or the portion of this season yet to play, is indeed 55.8 points. MC79 doesn’t seem so far off the mark in terms of simple points performance there, and Eberle hasn’t touched his big 2011-2012 season total since, just as Mc79 cautioned. Prorated at just under .8 points per game, Eberle gets about 65 points in an 82 game season, so Mc79 was a bit pessimistic from that perspective. And thank heavens for that!

  119. leadfarmer says:

    If you like strong shots that hit the glass and up the boards and out play, you’re really going to like Nikitin, I said last summer. How the hell did the Oilers scouting staff see him good

  120. Ca$h-Money! says:

    leadfarmer,

    I think it’s just a good thing Nikitin didn’t have a good playoff faceoff percentage 3 years ago, or we would have locked him up for 6 years instead of 2.

  121. Ryan says:

    jimmers2,

    My recollection was more about mc79 getting crucified when he asked about an Eberle for Doughty trade. Pretty funny in hindsight. I think he tweeted something about would you trade Eberle for Doughty? He got hammered by Oilers fans who thought the trade proposal was a terrible deal for Edmonton at the time.

    Other than that, lots of bloggers including young Willis didn’t think Eberle’s 18.9 shooting percentage was sustainable…

  122. justDOit says:

    Pouzar:
    May as well get the talk started now.

    Chris Peters ‏@chrismpeters
    After a 6-point weekend, Auston Matthews now at 90 for season. Third most productive year in NTDP history. Only two w/more: Kane, Kessel

    And starting in that draft year, MacT will get three chances in the lotto. Triple your fun!

  123. rickithebear says:

    TemujinBC:
    Now I see why Staples is so admired around here…

    The guy got hammered by the Corsi crowd!

    He was measuring a form of high probaility shots.

    He is correect!

    If you dish it!

    Take it!

    You guys are prison bitches on this one!

    Congrats David!

    You really were the first!

  124. Lois Lowe says:

    rickithebear,

    Come on now, Ricki.

    Staples was “measuring” subjective criteria that he called ‘mistakes on scoring chances’.

  125. PhrankLee says:

    rickithebear: You guys are prison bitches on this one!

    Tell us how you really feel, Ricki.

    Ha!

  126. rickithebear says:

    jimmers2:
    Bank Shot,

    My memory is foggy of course, but wasn’t MC79 arguing more that Eberle’s trade value was at its highest possible after his big year (he doubted it would represent mean future performance because of the high shooting %) and that a model GM should seize the opportunity to cash in what was probably an over valued asset?If my memory does serve, he made this argument before the 6×6 contract was signed and also indicated that he liked Eberle’s play just fine.Wouldn’t it be ironic if he argued that the Oilers should trade the young Eberle for a future top line centre or defenseman…

    FWIW, Eberle’s career mean per season point total, not correcting for games lost to injury, strikes or the portion of this season yet to play, is indeed 55.8 points. MC79 doesn’t seem sofar off the mark in terms of simple points performance there, and Eberle hasn’t touched his big 2011-2012 season total since, just as Mc79 cautioned.Prorated at just under.8 points per game, Eberle gets about 65 points in an 82 game season, so Mc79 was a bit pessimistic fromthat perspective.And thank heavens for that!

    Players Development:
    PH1: pre core 18-20yr
    PH2: core 21-23
    PH3: adult mass 24-26yr
    PH4: Plateau 27-30 yr
    Eberle:last 4 seasons ona 80GM per pace
    09-10 (19) WHL nhle 30G 30A
    10-11 (20) (renney) 69/82gm .261 GPG .623 PPG
    ——————————–
    11-12 (21) (Renney)78/82gm .436 GPG .974 PPG
    12-13 (22) (Krueger) 48/48gm .333 GPG .771 PPG
    coverted to 80 gm 27G 62P
    13-14 (23) (eakins) 80/82gm .350 GPG .813 PPG
    14-15 (24) (eakins) 30gm 6G 12A 18P -13 .200 GPG .60 PPG
    14-15 (24) (Mact) 5gm 0G 2A -1 .000GPG .400 PPG
    14-15 (24) (Nelson) 37gm 14G 24A 38P -3 .378 GPG 1.03 PPG

    last 4 seasons Eberel has played 97.5% of the games.
    avg 80 game seasons.
    82 +48+ 82 + 73
    that is 3.4757 seasons.
    he has averaged 28G 40 A per season

    Forwards last 4 years totals top 20 in G and A.
    Kessel #6 G #14 A
    Tavares #7 G #13 A
    Kane #14 G #12 A
    Benn #19 G #15 A
    Eberle #19 G #20 A

  127. rickithebear says:

    Lois Lowe:
    rickithebear,

    Come on now, Ricki.

    Staples was “measuring” subjective criteria that he called ‘mistakes on scoring chances’.

    When we are little boys;
    we played with trucks
    and
    pushing buttons on make believe space ships.

  128. Bank Shot says:

    jimmers2:
    Bank Shot,

    My memory is foggy of course, but wasn’t MC79 arguing more that Eberle’s trade value was at its highest possible after his big year (he doubted it would represent mean future performance because of the high shooting %) and that a model GM should seize the opportunity to cash in what was probably an over valued asset?If my memory does serve, he made this argument before the 6×6 contract was signed and also indicated that he liked Eberle’s play just fine.Wouldn’t it be ironic if he argued that the Oilers should trade the young Eberle for a future top line centre or defenseman…

    FWIW, Eberle’s career mean per season point total, not correcting for games lost to injury, strikes or the portion of this season yet to play, is indeed 55.8 points. MC79 doesn’t seem sofar off the mark in terms of simple points performance there, and Eberle hasn’t touched his big 2011-2012 season total since, just as Mc79 cautioned.Prorated at just under.8 points per game, Eberle gets about 65 points in an 82 game season, so Mc79 was a bit pessimistic fromthat perspective.And thank heavens for that!

    Eberle has consistently outperformed the high end of MC79’s range for Eberle’s production.

    He was pretty off the mark. Eberle’s low end has proven to be higher than Tylers ceiling Prediction.

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