THIS IS GOING TO BE CLOSE

You know, I knew it was going to be close. We’ve been talking for some time now about the Oilers 50-man list for 2015-16 and the changes that might happen in the next while. There’s a perfect storm of events that are coming together in the next two months:

  • A strong 2013 draft group is about to graduate
  • A less than stellar group of AHL prospects are exiting their entry-level deals or looking for another contract.

The bottom line? We’re going to see some pretty good hockey players either cut loose or not signed this spring.

I wondered about Houck and this is confirmation. If Edmonton was sure of him, this ATO would have been a three-year entry deal. It’s not the worst news—the Oilers could have cut bait without making a call—but Houck’s lack of progress during his post-draft career got him here. The issues for Houck are several:

  • I’ve never read the organization raving about his physical play. His scouting reports had ’emerging power forward’ and ‘tough to move’ as mentions but that doesn’t really shine through.
  • He finished the season 37GP, 11-14-25. At age 19 (turned 20 in Feb) he should have been kicking out the jams. I know the team was no screaming hell but that’s not very good at all.

And finally he didn’t score enough at evens. Edmonton (since 2010) has drafted a few guys who they wanted to play a physical style while also being able to impact the offense a little. If we take the EV numbers for Tyler Pitlick, Mitch Moroz and Jackson Houck in their final junior seasons we get this:

PLAYER GP EV BOXCARS POINTS-PER-GAME
PITLICK 2010-11 WHL 56 22-19-41 .732
MOROZ 2013-14 WHL 70 26-24-50 .714
HOUCK 2014-15 WHL 65 13-15-28 .431

The concern here is real. Pitlick didn’t score in the AHL, Moroz is barely playing in the AHL, and Houck was not close to these two kids in the WHL. Now, we don’t have TOI and that’s a fact but Houck’s offense is a legit concern.

OILERS 2015-16 50-MAN LIST (currently, including RFA’s)

  1. G Ben Scrivens
  2. G Laurent Brossoit
  3. G Tyler Bunz (RFA)
  4. G Frans Tuohimaa (RFA)
  5. D Nikita Nikitin
  6. D Justin Schultz (RFA)
  7. D Mark Fayne
  8. D Andrew Ference
  9. D Oscar Klefbom
  10. D Martin Marincin (RFA)
  11. D Keith Aulie (RFA)
  12. D Brad Hunt (RFA)
  13. D Jordan Oesterle
  14. D Brandon Davidson (RFA)
  15. D Dillon Simpson
  16. D Martin Gernat
  17. D David Musil
  18. D Darnell Nurse
  19. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkin
  20. C Anton Lander (RFA)
  21. C Boyd Gordon
  22. C Leon Draisaitl
  23. C Bogdan Yakimov
  24. C Jujhar Khaira
  25. C Travis Ewanyk
  26. C Kellen Lain (RFA)
  27. L Taylor Hall
  28. L Benoit Pouliot
  29. L Matt Hendricks
  30. L Luke Gazdic
  31. L Matt Fraser (RFA)
  32. L Ryan Hamilton
  33. L Curtis Hamilton (RFA)
  34. L Mitch Moroz
  35. L Kale Kessy
  36. R Jordan Eberle
  37. R Nail Yakupov (RFA)
  38. R Teddy Purcell
  39. R Rob Klinkhammer
  40. R Iiro Pakarinen
  41. R Tyler Pitlick (RFA)
  42. R Greg Chase
  43. R Andrew Miller (RFA)

Players who may be signed:

 

  1. C Derek Roy (UFA)
  2. D Joey Laleggia (must be signed, he’s a college senior, or he’s a free agent)
  3. R John McCarron (must be signed, he’s a college senior, or he’s a free agent)
  4. L Daniil Zharkov (no idea about his signing restrictions but team does own his rights)
  5. C Marco Roy (he’s done in junior and not yet signed. Window is closing)
  6. L Anton Slepyshev (I believe they retain his rights even if he doesn’t sign but this is the natural spot)
  7. R Jackson Houck (signs or re-enters)
  8. C Kyle Platzer (signs of re-enters)
  9. D Ben Betker (signs or re-enters)

Plus the club needs a goalie and several other items for the NHL and AHL team. Interesting days ahead.

 

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  1. TheOtherJohn says:

    Why is it too early to judge a 2012 Oiler draft class but we are able to say tge 2013 Oiler draft class is a strong one? Didn’t we already characterize the 2010 Oiler draft class as being strong and that early call now looks a wee bit optimistic?

    The Moroz # was his draft +2 number right?

  2. Lowetide says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Why is it too early to judge a 2012 Oiler draft class but we are able to say tge 2013 Oiler draft class is a strong one? Didn’t we already characterize the 2010 Oiler draft class as being strong and that early call now looks a wee bit optimistic?

    The Moroz # was his draft +2 number right?

    Strong in terms of signing players. Nurse, Yakimov, Chase signed, plus several more need to be signed/not signed.

    As for Moroz, yes. He and Houck are in their final junior seasons above

  3. Marc says:

    That 2013 class may end up affecting the futures of a couple of draft classes around it.

    I strongly suspect that the reason that 4 out of 5 late round picks in the 2014 class were college bound was to ensure that there would be enough contracts available to sign 6 or 7 members of the 2013 class.

    And the same reasoning may lead to the demise of some of the slower developing members of the 2010 and 2011 classes.

  4. TheOtherJohn says:

    Lowetide,

    Got it

  5. OilLeak says:

    I would sign the following:

    C Derek Roy
    D Joey Laleggia
    C Marco Roy
    L Anton Slepyshev
    C Kyle Platzer
    D Ben Betker

    Marco Roy is the only one I’m unsure of, I think he should be signed, but he may not be truculent enough for Edmonton’s tastes. I think Ben Betker signs too, a lot of the previous D prospects are running in place (Davidson, Gernat, Musil, Simpson) so I think the Oilers could use him.

  6. Lowetide says:

    Marc:
    That 2013 class may end up affecting the futures of a couple of draft classes around it.

    I strongly suspect that the reason that 4 out of 5 late round picks in the 2014 class were college bound was to ensure that there would be enough contracts available to sign 6 or 7 members of the 2013 class.

    And the same reasoning may lead to the demise of some of the slower developing members of the 2010 and 2011 classes.

    Agreed. One is good—if Curtis Hamilton can’t outrun Josh Winquist or Marco Roy then so be it—but the 2014 draft strategy was simply dumb. No excuses.

  7. Bruce McCurdy says:

    The concern here is real. Pitlick didn’t score in the AHL, Moroz is barely playing in the AHL, and Houck was not close to these two kids in the WHL. Now, we don’t have TOI and that’s a fact but Houck’s offense is a legit concern.

    Yep. Worth noting that Houck led the sadsack Giants in scoring, so ice time was likely not holding him back but QualTeam likely did. That said, Houck also led a weak Giants club in scoring in his draft year, with 57 points to this year’s 51. So the observation that he hasn’t progressed is likely a valid one.

    I watched Houck’s last game and point as a Giant (barring an over-age year) vs. the Rockets last Friday, and he was OK-ish but I didn’t see much that said “20-year-old having his way with mostly younger players”. Also, for some reason he did not play the return game at Kelowna the next night, maybe the ATO was already in the wind?

    Sensible move by the org to sign Houck to that ATO, they’re down a few forwards in OKC & there is zero harm in giving the kid a look. But he better treat it like a serious job interview, wear his best suit and for goodness sake trim those sideburns!

  8. eidy says:

    So from the 43 list the oilers will lose some of the RFA’s. I suspect 5 -7 spots open.

    Pass on: Bunz, Tuohimaa, Aulie, Lain, and Fraser (hasn’t done enough)
    Question marks: Hunt (I’d pass unless AHL only), Hamilton (suspect he gets a contract and there is a connection of oilers to his dad), and Pitlick- I’d give him one more year
    Keep: Schultz, MM, Davidson, Lander, Yak and Miller

    From the list of 9:
    Keep Roy, Sign Lelaggia, Pass on McCarron and Zharkov. For sure sign Slepyshev, Platzer, and Betker. Houck and Roy are the ones I’m not sure of. I might sign Houck and send him back for his 20 year old season.

    With what the oilers cut bait with and then what they sign, they will likely be at 45.

    Still leaves room for O’Connor, McDavid, and Patrick Hersley.

    And of course Marty side burns is going to be traded for an “upgrade” on defense

    I

  9. eidy says:

    The other thing that is an option is doing a 3 for 1 trade. Don’t think it has been brought up on this blog, but it is an option.

  10. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Just been catching up on a couple of old threads, really enjoyed the RNH thread from Sunday and especially G Money’s good work on shot type vs. shot location which is very promising. The more dimensions that can be added to such analysis the better.

    Had to laugh at some of the comments re Kelly Hrudey’s “third line role” nonsense, I wrote on that very thing at CoH earlier today and independently echoed some of those same sentiments. I also pointed out that from the time Hrudey made that remark to today, RNH is The top-scoring centre in the NHL. #1. Third line role, my arse.

  11. Younger Oil says:

    I know this isn’t too likely to happen it seems, but Roman Horak is also an option that could be considered.

    I’d honestly prefer to give him a contract over Houck and Marco Roy.

  12. Oddspell says:

    Does Ty Rimmer fit into this equation at all? What’s the deal with him? I see his numbers haven’t been great but I’d be willing to give him a longer shot if not just for the memories of that incredible preseason run.

  13. cahill says:

    LT any thoughts on Winnquist or the Jones boys getting an NHL deal?

    Should Sign: Yakupov, Lander, Slepyshev, Platzer, D. Roy, Marincin, Schultz, Laleggia, Davidson, Betker
    Consider Signing: Aulie, M. Roy, Pitlick, Miller, C. Hamilton, Fraser, Houck, Hunt
    Don’t Bother: Lain, McCarron, Tuohimaa, Bunz, Zharkov

    If McCarron is interested in an AHL deals then it might be something to consider.

  14. Diesel says:

    On the LAK/NYR broadcast Pierre just said it’s likely that Hanifin goes 3rd.

    Considering we currently sit 3rd in the pecking order, it makes you wonder if he is basing that on any information from under the Oilbrella or if it’s just a manifestation of his (or someone else’s) personal rankings.

  15. Alpine says:

    Do we still hold Erik Gustafsson’s rights? I see he’s had a couple good seasons for Frolunda, the team fellow ’92 born John Klingberg played for last season. 6’01”, 198. Alas, he’s a leftie. Had 29 points in 55 games this season.

  16. flyfish1168 says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Just been catching up on a couple of old threads, really enjoyed the RNH thread from Sunday and especially G Money’s good work on shot type vs. shot location which is very promising. The more dimensions that can be added to such analysis the better.

    Had to laugh at some of the comments re Kelly Hrudey’s “third line role” nonsense, I wrote on that very thing at CoH earlier today and independently echoed some of those same sentiments. I also pointed out that from the time Hrudey made that remark to today, RNH is The top-scoring centre in the NHL. #1. Third line role, my arse.

    We should all twit Kelly and ask what he thinks now.

  17. Lois Lowe says:

    flyfish1168: We should all twit Kelly and ask what he thinks now.

    I think that Kelly might have started drinking when he got bumped down from a weekly gig to his current one working only on Flames broadcasts. He’s gone from insightful and credible to downright awful.

  18. TemujinBC says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Gotta start recording these intermission panels whenever the Oilers play, just to replay the soundbites for proper context and quoting!

    It must be part of Roger’s grand scheme to generate interest….

  19. thatoneguy says:

    It sure seems like a good time to try one of those 3 for 1 trades to upgrade the roster and clear some room simultaneously. For what its worth I would rather take a chance on Houck than give C.Hamilton another year. If after 200 AHL games a player can’t establish themselves as being NHL ready than he needs to make way for a younger prospect. It’s how organizations keep their momentum moving forward.

  20. Lowetide says:

    cahill:
    LT any thoughts on Winnquist or the Jones boys getting an NHL deal?

    Should Sign: Yakupov, Lander, Slepyshev, Platzer, D. Roy, Marincin, Schultz,Laleggia,Davidson, Betker
    Consider Signing: Aulie, M. Roy, Pitlick, Miller, C. Hamilton, Fraser, Houck, Hunt
    Don’t Bother: Lain, McCarron, Tuohimaa, Bunz, Zharkov

    If McCarron is interested in an AHL deals then it might be something to consider.

    McCarron, like the Jones boys, rimmer and others, is on an AHL only contract. I would sign Winquist.

  21. godot10 says:

    I think you can get away with giving Winquist only an AHL deal for another year. He is not an NHL option next season. He has little leverage. It is not like another organization is going to offer him a two-way NHL contract, since they have their own CHL players to sign.

  22. Evilas says:

    LT,

    IF the Oilers end up with the 3rd pick, what kind of trade value would it have?

    Would you do this: 3RD, Schultz, Purcell + (Gernat or Moroz or both) to Bos for Hamilton/Lucic/Subban? OR what would it take to get these guys? Boston is ripe for a massive deal…

    I think it is pretty clear to everyone that frequents this blog that Ference, Schultz and Nikitin all have to go.

    I have been playing around with the roster and salary for next year. They will still need at least a solid vet D and another solid vet C + a starting G. If they have any playoff aspirations for next year they will definitely need to do something about Nikitin and Purcell (trade or buy-out). They are simply too rich for this roster and really limit the options…..

    What would it take to get Sobotka from St. Louis? Would a 3rd Rounder do it?

  23. Rondo says:

    Corey Pronman @coreypronman ·
    When Ryan Johansen was a prospect would people have been having a panic attack at thought of going top 5 w his stats?
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=122175

  24. Lowetide says:

    Evilas:
    LT,

    IF the Oilers end up with the 3rd pick, what kind of trade value would it have?

    Would you do this:3RD, Schultz, Purcell + (Gernat or Moroz or both) to Bos for Hamilton/Lucic/Subban?OR what would it take to get these guys?Boston is ripe for a massive deal…

    I think it is pretty clear to everyone that frequents this blog that Ference, Schultz and Nikitin all have to go.

    I have been playing around with the roster and salary for next year.They will still need at least a solid vet D and another solid vet C + a starting G.If they have any playoff aspirations for next year they will definitely need to do something about Nikitin and Purcell (trade or buy-out).They are simply too rich for this roster and really limit the options…..

    What would it take to get Sobotka from St. Louis?Would a 3rd Rounder do it?

    Great questions all. I don’t think the Bruins would be willing to trade Hamilton, Lucic is another matter. The issue there is that his productive seasons are probably in the rear view. If the Oilers wanted Lucic, I think they could get that done without the No. 3 overall. It would still be a steep price.

    As for Sobotka, he’d be a perfect fit and I wish I knew. I’d be tempted to overpay for Sobotka.

  25. Melman says:

    Can Marco Roy (for eg.) be signed to an AHL only deal, or it is NHL or back in the draft as the only options with him?

  26. wheatnoil says:

    Melman,

    If he doesn’t get an ELC, he’d have little incentive to sign an AHL deal. He’d be better off re-entering the draft to see if there’s any takers. Only if no one bites would it make sense for him to pursue an AHL deal or go overseas.

  27. wheatnoil says:

    Speaking of Roy, his team is hosting the Memorial Cup this year, no? I imagine any announcement of a signing probably wouldn’t happen until after that, if it would happen at all.

  28. Snowman says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    That was an excellent article Bruce. Thoroughly enjoyed it and not just because it was about Nuge.

    You and Lowetide are such fantastic storytellers. You both do such an excellent job capturing and framing context.

  29. JamesL says:

    AZ WINS!!

  30. Klima's_Bucket says:

    MARK ARCOBELLO BABY!!

  31. frjohnk says:

    Roy hopefully is signed.

    Best EV scorer out of 2013 class.

    Good defensively.

    Really good skater with wheels.

  32. gr8one says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    MARK ARCOBELLO BABY!!

    I guess we can’t underestimate Craig’s master plan. He’s on it.

    Sneaky silver fox.

  33. Snowman says:

    Well here’s hoping the Yotes have some confidence and win the next couple games they have against Buffalo…

  34. wheatnoil says:

    I was glancing at chlstats.com as the regular season ends.

    Look who leads the WHL in points / 60 min (est. time on ice, min 20 games played)…

    Leon Draisaitl: 4.94

    Over half a point above the second ranked player. You’ve got to take these estimate TOI measures with a grain of salt, but that’s a pretty impressive half-season for the guy.

    Playoffs start on Friday!

  35. Ray says:

    LT’s list above has 52 names
    I’d drop Bunz and the Finn
    On D Aulie should be gone as well as Hunt
    I would then cut bait on Lain and C Hamilton
    Zharkov doesn’t even register anymore and Big John McCarron gets an AHL offer only. Same for Houck

    That bring the list to 45

    Two goalies are needed… 47

    Man thats already ready close to the 50 man cap. I think there will have to be a few guys going out the door on trades.

  36. Ray says:

    Trades…. Marco Roy is a recent 2nd rounder that has some value all on its own… pair him with a 2nd or a 3rd for a two way vet forward… say Eriksson out of Boston

    The take Pitt’s first plus Purcell and one of the AHL dmen and buy the best available defender’s contract from a cap strapped team

    In goal then you go out and sign Niemi or Neuvirth… if neither will sign plan b has to be to give up assets… maybe Marincin, maybe Schultz for the best available goalie trade possible, then back fill the traded asset in Free agency…

    It doesn’t seem so grim if those three moves can be made. But make no mistake. The dman and goalie need to be top notch, there is no room for error.

  37. Ray says:

    Nuge-Pou-Ebs
    Lander-Hall-Eriksson
    Roy-Draisaitl-Yak
    Gordon-Hendrix-Kilink
    Gazidic – xxxx

    MM-Seabrook
    Klefbom-Jultz
    NN-Fayne
    Ference

    Neuvirth
    Scrivens

    If you tilt your head and squint a little you could make a case that this team could win respectability. Maybe even make the playoffs.

  38. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Ray:
    Trades…. Marco Roy is a recent 2nd rounder that has some value all on its own… pair him with a 2nd or a 3rd for a two way vet forward… say Eriksson out of Boston

    The take Pitt’s first plus Purcell and one of the AHL dmen and buy the best available defender’s contract from a cap strapped team

    In goal then you go out and sign Niemi or Neuvirth… if neither will sign plan b has to be to give up assets… maybe Marincin, maybe Schultz for the best available goalie trade possible, then back fill the traded asset in Free agency…

    It doesn’t seem so grim if those three moves can be made. But make no mistake. The dman and goalie need to be top notch, there is no room for error.

    You’re really over rating the value of some of these assets.

    Marco Roy has very little value after putting up less than a PPG as an overager in the Q.

    Virtually every team in the league has at least one prospect just like that…some have many.

    Excluding the goalies and Europeans, all the players drafted in Roy’s range has done much better.

    For example, William Carrier, drafted right after Roy already has 61 AHLK games to his credit.

    One pick after that, Tyler Bertuzzi scored 43 goals and 98 points in the OHL.

    Packaging Roy with a later round pick and expecting Ericsson in the return might be about the 29th best offer Boston would get.

    Purcell has negative value because of his contract. (remember he was going to be bought out)

    In a cap strapped year…it would take a fool to take on that contract so adding it to Pittsburgh’s 1st likely devalues the pick.

  39. Ray says:

    Dashingsilverfox: You’re really over rating the value of some of these assets.

    Marco Roy has very little value after putting up less than a PPG as an overager in the Q.

    Virtually every team in the league has at least one prospect just like that…some have many.

    Excluding the goalies and Europeans, all the players drafted in Roy’s range has done much better.

    For example, William Carrier, drafted right after Roy already has 61 AHLK games to his credit.

    One pick after that, Tyler Bertuzzi scored 43 goals and 98 points in the OHL.

    Packaging Roy with a later round pick and expecting Ericsson in the return might be about the 29th best offer Boston would get.

    Purcell has negative value because of his contract. (remember he was going to be bought out)

    In a cap strapped year…it would take a fool to take on that contract so adding it to Pittsburgh’s 1st likely devalues the pick.

    I don’t disagree with any of your points. I used Roy as a place holder in my fictional world of make believe. I’m thinking you might catch Eriksson or the like for a second round pick.

    What type of player do you think could be had for the 33rd overall and a random prospect?

    As for Purcell, your right my first thought was you’d retain 1-2 million on his contract. My bad, you’d be giving up a first and getting back a pretty bad contract to give him away at full cost.

    What would that package get back with Purcell at 2.5 per year.

  40. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Ray:
    Nuge-Pou-Ebs
    Lander-Hall-Eriksson
    Roy-Draisaitl-Yak
    Gordon-Hendrix-Kilink
    Gazidic – xxxx

    MM-Seabrook
    Klefbom-Jultz
    NN-Fayne
    Ference

    Neuvirth
    Scrivens

    If you tilt your head and squint a little you could make a case that this team could win respectability. Maybe even make the playoffs.

    Who did you trade to get Seabrook?

    If you think Chicago moves him for Pittsburgh’s pick, I think you need to imagine what other offers the Hawks might receive for him.

    For example, Calgary is loaded with young, cheap, NHL experienced centres and could easily also take on another bad contract to land Seabrook.

    The Oilers aren’t the only team in the league looking to improve.

  41. unca miltie says:

    Ray:
    Nuge-Pou-Ebs
    Lander-Hall-Eriksson
    Roy-Draisaitl-Yak
    Gordon-Hendrix-Kilink
    Gazidic – xxxx

    MM-Seabrook
    Klefbom-Jultz
    NN-Fayne
    Ference

    Neuvirth
    Scrivens

    If you tilt your head and squint a little you could make a case that this team could win respectability. Maybe even make the playoffs.

    There only one thing that would make me tilt & squint. The trade for an established number one d-man. Call him CFP #2. Seabrook is not that guy IMO. 9 years and counting is far too long.

  42. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Ray: I don’t disagree with any of your points. I used Roy as a place holder in my fictional world of make believe. I’m thinking you might catch Eriksson or the like for a second round pick.

    What type of player do you think could be had for the 33rd overall and a random prospect?

    As for Purcell, your right my first thought was you’d retain 1-2 million on his contract. My bad, you’d be giving up a first and getting back a pretty bad contract to give him away at full cost.

    What would that package get back with Purcell at 2.5 per year.

    To be honest…I think the Oilers have to either bite the bullet on Purcell or buy him out.

    Trying to move him in a trade is just going to devalue the return.

  43. Lowetide says:

    Dashingsilverfox: You’re really over rating the value of some of these assets.

    For example, William Carrier, drafted right after Roy already has 61 AHLK games to his credit.

    And 20 points in those 61 games. That’s no big deal. Roy may or may not be signed but has a nice range of skills and his TOI has been impacted this season by playing time.

  44. Ray says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Who did you trade to get Seabrook?

    If you think Chicago moves him for Pittsburgh’s pick, I think you need to imagine what other offers the Hawks might receive for him.

    For example, Calgary is loaded with young, cheap, NHL experienced centres and could easily also take on another bad contract to land Seabrook.

    The Oilers aren’t the only team in the league looking to improve.

    Oh come on, can’t just let me have one little happy thought eh?

    You might be right… Boychuk was had for something like that, an approximation of value only.

  45. LMHF#1 says:

    I know Chara has a no-move, but if you could get him from Boston for little as a cap-hell deal, that’d be something.

    A lot more likely for a contender than the Oilers, but that’s a proper mentor in contrast to a Ference. Especially for that guy wearing #85.

  46. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lowetide: And 20 points in those 61 games. That’s no big deal. Roy may or may not be signed but has a nice range of skills and his TOI has been impacted this season by playing time.

    No it’s not a big deal.

    But Roy’s production would seem to point to an upside of a 3rd to 4th line player if he reaches his potential.

    Not too many teams are looking for that kind of player in a trade unless they need to fill out their AHL roster and that normally happens much later in the process.

    As you know, you can find that kind of player in many ways, you don’t need to trade for them.

  47. Dashingsilverfox says:

    LMHF#1:
    I know Chara has a no-move, but if you could get him from Boston for little as a cap-hell deal, that’d be something.

    A lot more likely for a contender than the Oilers, but that’s a proper mentor in contrast to a Ference. Especially for that guy wearing #85.

    Have you watched Chara play recently?

    He’s been awful…he may be done.

    He will be 39 next season.

  48. flyfish1168 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Who did you trade to get Seabrook?

    If you think Chicago moves him for Pittsburgh’s pick, I think you need to imagine what other offers the Hawks might receive for him.

    For example, Calgary is loaded with young, cheap, NHL experienced centres and could easily also take on another bad contract to land Seabrook.

    The Oilers aren’t the only team in the league looking to improve.

    Calgary can be very scarey next season if they decide to spend. They have lots of CAP space. they have 5 RFA to sign. Backlund maybe the most expensive RFA. 26 million CAP space Approx. going on 73 million and using

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=CGY

  49. Dashingsilverfox says:

    flyfish1168: Calgary can be very scarey next season if they decide to spend. They have lots of CAP space. they have 5 RFA to sign. Backlund maybe the most expensive RFA.26 million CAP space Approx. going on 73 million and using

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=CGY

    They may trade Backlund since they have Sam Bennett on the way,

    I expect they’ll add a top 4D and 2 scoring wingers.

    Rebuild over.

  50. Hammers says:

    flyfish1168: Calgary can be very scarey next season if they decide to spend. They have lots of CAP space. they have 5 RFA to sign. Backlund maybe the most expensive RFA.26 million CAP space Approx. going on 73 million and using

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=CGY

    Ramo needs signed as well so they need about $ 10-12 mill for 5 RFA and a goalie . If a 70 cap hit they still have about $ 15 mill to spend . Oil have about 10 if they keep Roy and the usual suspects . Gets us a goalie and a “D”

  51. 719 says:

    Alpine:
    Do we still hold Erik Gustafsson’s rights? I see he’s had a couple good seasons for Frolunda, the team fellow ’92 born John Klingberg played for last season. 6’01”, 198. Alas, he’s a leftie. Had 29 points in 55 games this season.

    Would be nice to sign him and bring him over to see what he can do.

  52. HiddenDarts says:

    Not trying to be troll-y here, but DSF has the thread on this one. Plenty of teams with plenty more in terms of actually solid prospects, which puts the Oilers in a pretty heinous position.

    No buyout of Ference, Nikitin AND Purcell means another completely lost season. We talk about how we’ve already lost the “Hall Years”, but what about the Nuge? His years are coming now, and no draft day trade action for good defensemen is basically a death sentence for this team.

    When Lowetide of all people is skeptical, questioning things hard and at times seems downright pessimistic, trouble is looming.

  53. Dashingsilverfox says:

    All the talk about Marco Roy prompted me to take a close look at the 2013 draft and, on the the surface, it’s looking like an absolute disaster for the Smartest Men in the Room.

    It’s still very early but, in the first round, you’d have to work hard to convince me Darnell Nurse was a better pick than Ristolainen, Horvat, Nichushkin, Domi, Wennberg, Zadorov or Lazar.

    We’ll have to see how things play out next season, but I’m not optimistic.

    Then, the Oilers effectively traded Valentin Zykov for a bunch of maybes and passed on Adam Tambellini, Tyler Bertuzzi, Carter Verhaeghe, Cole Cassels and Oliver Bjorkstrand.

    I’m thinking the 2013 draft may rival the 2003 draft for Oiler futility.

    Nurse better be great!

  54. PhrankLee says:

    Evilas: If they have any playoff aspirations for next year they will definitely need to do something…

    I think they let us know with the Peron trade that they have absolutely no intention to compete for a playoff spot until 16-17 compounded by the Petry trade. Maybe even 17-18 was the plan all along.,,

  55. Pouzar says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Nurse will be great. No doubt in my mind.

  56. wheatnoil says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    There’s still plenty of pages left to be written on the 2013 draft. Zykov himself has yet to play a game of pro and so is still very much a ‘maybe’ himself. I also think it’s a touch early to make sweeping statements about Nurse vs other potential 1st round selections.

  57. Lowetide says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    All the talk about Marco Roy prompted me to take a close look at the 2013 draft and, on the the surface, it’s looking like an absolute disaster for the Smartest Men in the Room.

    It’s still very early but, in the first round, you’d have to work hard to convince me Darnell Nurse was a better pick than Ristolainen, Horvat, Nichushkin, Domi, Wennberg, Zadorov or Lazar.

    We’ll have to see how things play out next season, but I’m not optimistic.

    Then, the Oilers effectively traded Valentin Zykov for a bunch of maybes and passed on Adam Tambellini, Tyler Bertuzzi, Carter Verhaeghe, Cole Cassels and Oliver Bjorkstrand.

    I’m thinking the 2013 draft may rival the 2003 draft for Oiler futility.

    Nurse better be great!

    I’m encouraged by the Oilers patience with Nurse, that’s an unusual thing for them but it’s been handled correctly. In Edmonton, a big stud defender who can help a little offensively will own the city in short order.

    The 2014 draft is the spot Edmonton lost ground, no doubt in my mind.

  58. nelson88 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: It’s still very early but, in the first round, you’d have to work hard to convince me Darnell Nurse was a better pick than Ristolainen, Horvat, Nichushkin, Domi, Wennberg, Zadorov or Lazar.
    We’ll have to see how things play out next season, but I’m not optimistic.

    We would be shocked if you were optimistic about an Oiler prospect. On the other hand in a past thread you seemed quite confident the Canucks are made in the shade as Bo Horvat will very soon take Henrik’s burden. I’ve been a Horvat fan for sometime and the Canucks have only recently moved from my most despised list as they jettisoned A-holes throughout their management and players but Horvat ready to carry the baton? Come on man. The Canucks have done an admirable job of rebuild on the fly but they have a significant amount of key pieces on the down side of their careers and have; only recently, added quality in the system but not at the level of folks they are replacing and the young guys will need plenty of seasoning. Wake me up when Bo is even in the discussion for a Hart trophy.

    If I had any confidence MacT would admit his mistakes and play/pay his best players I would be willing to bet the Canucks and Oilers will be neck and neck in the 2015-16 season. Sadly our GM has proved lacking of that confidence.

  59. nelson88 says:

    Lowetide: The 2014 draft is the spot Edmonton lost ground, no doubt in my mind

    You may be right but how much ground can you really lose when you have no 2nd or 3rd round picks? I also think Legasson will surprise to the upside. His power outage as the season wore on is a worry but he was never projected to be a big point producer and I wonder if the length/grind/travel of the “junior” North American game caught up with him.

  60. sliderule says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Zykov has been a disappointment since the draft.Boxes have dropped and after 0 pts in 2013-14 WJC he failed to make the team this year.

    Roy has been impacted by injuries and maybe his late birth date should have scared them off..

    Yakimov and Slepshev are tracking well and they will be ones that determine whether the draft is any good because Nurse will be a stud.

  61. Surly says:

    Nurse will be a stud.

    This blog has taught me the danger of ‘seen him good’. But holy heck that shift behind the net in the gold medal game against that Russian tank told me a lot about what I look forward to seeing with this player. Just hope his next regular season NHL game is Jan/16 or Oct /16. Don’t rush!

  62. cahill says:

    I think you have to take what DSF says with a grain of salt BUT he brings up a valid point. The Oiler’s scouts identified two players picked in the top 100 that have failed to put up a point per game in junior in their +2 draft year.

    The Oiler’s regional scouts for WHL & QMJHL have failing grades.

    QMJHL: Keven Bouchard, Marco Roy, Jeremie Blain, Oliver Roy, Phil Cornet

    WHL: Brandon Davidson, Drew Czerwonka, Tyler Bunz, Curtis Hamilton, Travis Ewanyk, David Musil, Mitch Moroz, Jordan Bendfeld, Cameron Abney, Jackson Houck, Greg Chase, Ben Betker

    Hopefully the “forensic audit” shows this.

    Take a look at the Dallas Stars (I picked at random) and how they faired with their 2 – 7 round picks;
    40. Remi Elie – Apr, 16, 95 – OHL – 1.21
    54. Phil Desrosiers – Aug, 16, 95 – .901 SV%
    68. Nik Hansson – Jan, 8 , 95 – Swe-1 – .44
    101. Nick Paul – May, 20, 95 – OHL – 1.14
    131. Cole Ully – Feb, 20, 95 – WHL – 1.36
    149. Matej Paulovic – Jan, 13, 95 – USHL – .96
    182. Aleksi Makela – Feb, 8, 95 – SM-Liiga (Fin) – .2

    We can sit here and go yeah but Yakimov & Slepy (great picks), Platzer & Chase (solid picks) or you can look at it and say, ‘you know he brings up a valid point’.

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