REVIEWING THE 2013 DRAFT

The Edmonton Oilers went to the draft with a full jacket of draft picks and added to the total once there. They spent heavily on the CHL and added two significant players from the Russian leagues. It was the most fascinating draft in recent years, the first led by Craig MacTavish as general manager.

  • No. 7 overall: D Darnell Nurse. The big, tough and mobile defender is enjoying a quality final year of junior. He began on the NHL roster (two games), delivered a strong performance at the world junior tournament and is playing the shutdown role on a quality SSM Greyhounds team that could win the OHL title. Nurse did have some injury issues but the season has been a success and he’s fine now. I’m content with the selection, although the talent that came after (Rasmus Ristolainen, Bo Horvat and Valeri Nichushkin) is formidable and all three have developed more quickly. As you know, I’m a big believer in waiting five years after draft day and for me Nurse’s progress suggests he is going to be a substantial NHL player. Scott Cullen informs us there’s a 90% chance Nurse will be 100 NHL games and the average player at this spot ends up being an NHL regular who spends time as a top 6D or better.
  • No. 56 overall: C Marco Roy. In many ways Roy is the forgotten prospect in the 2013 draft, partly because he hasn’t been signed and partly because he is playing a secondary offensive role with the Quebec Remparts. Roy’s 26 goals in 59 games is a good total, especially considering 23 came at even strength. He is not yet signed, which may be due to his participation in the Memorial Cup (it is in Quebec City this time) but I sense the organization is still evaluating. Players taken after Roy have had success, some very good (Tyler Bertuzzi, Eric Comrie) in their junior leagues and some (William Carrier, Linus Arnesson) transitioning to pro hockey. Scott Cullen’s study has a 29% chance for Roy to play 100 NHL games and the average player at this spot is a minor league forward who plays fewer than 50 games in the show.
  • No. 83 overall: C Bogdan Yakimov. The Oilers traded down (I’ll have more later) in order to acquire more picks, something that does makes sense depending on the quality of the draft. Yakimov is tracking in a successful manner, despite getting off to a slow start in the AHL and then succumbing to injury. His season is slightly better than the pick he was traded for based on AHL boxcars, but it’s early days and plenty of track to go before we can make the call. I’m pleased with this selection based on his showing in training camp and anecdotal information from Oklahoma City. Names afer Yakimov are going well, with Sven Andrighetto already 12 games into his NHL career. Another season in the AHL will hopefully involve a spike in the Yakimov boxcars. Scott Cullen’s study shows a 24% chance for Yakimov to play 100 NHL games and the average player at this spot is a minor leaguer who plays fewer than 50 games in the show.
  • No. 88 overall: L Anton Slepyshev. He is probably the most talented skill winger in the system at this time and posted a solid KHL season. Slepyshev has been rumored as a possible signing in the last few days and should push for NHL employment (if signed) in the next two seasons. It’s important for Edmonton to strike now with a contract, sometimes even promising prospects lose traction due to lack of playing time in their home leagues (although Slepyshev appears to have overcome the issue). Lots of quality picks after Slepyshev, including the impactful Oliver Bjorkstrand. Scott Cullen’s study has a 24% chance for the Russian to play 100 NHL games and the average player at this spot is a minor league forward who plays fewer than 50 games in the league.
  • No. 94 overall: R Jackson Houck. I think the best description of Houck at this time is this: Edmonton liked him enough to have their AHL team sign him to a tryout offer but not enough to sign to an entry-level deal. The decision on Houck may depend on Roy, Slepyshev and others but it’s clearly a tell in terms of his junior performance (not as strong as the others in this group according to the brass). Houck has fallen behind several prospects taken shortly after, including Kyle Platzer, Michael Downing and Juuse Saros. He has a 24.5% chance at 100 NHL games based on Cullen’s math (a better chance than the Russians, a strange reflection of past success) and the average for this draft slot is minor leaguer who spends 50 games in the NHL.
  • No. 96 overall: C Kyle Platzer. Along with the Russians, Platzer is a big plus arrow in this cluster of picks and looks to have blossomed offensively since draft day. His defensive ability was a known item on draft day, so we could be looking at a real two-way find in the fourth round of the 2013 draft. Early days, mind. Nick Paul is among the group of players chosen directly after Platzer. Scott Cullen’s study has a 24.5% chance at 100 NHL games and the average player at this spot is a minor leaguer who plays fewer than 50 games in the league.
  • No. 113 overall: L Aidan Muir. The big winger had a good NCAA debut, finishing inside the top 9 in team scoring (freshman don’t get a push in time on ice or PP time under normal circumstance) but he did manage 1-3-4 with the man advantage (36GP, 5-6-11 at evens) this season. The school lists him at 6.04, 212 and that’s certainly big enough for the NHL. One area of concern with this pick: Picks right after included Jan Kostalek, Jordan Subban, Martin Reway and Hudson Fasching. You’d have a hard time arguing Muir has more value than those fellows two years after draft. Cullen’s study suggests a 14% chance to play 100 NHL games and the average player at this spot is a minor league type who plays 10-50 games in the league.
  • No. 128 overall: L Evan Campbell. He had a solid-to-good NCAA season as a sophomore, posting enough points to rank No. 4 in team scoring. It’s an interesting spike year over year but I don’t think it vaults him into prominence among the Oilers’ prospects at this time. Taken after Campbell: Solid prospects Cal Petersen, Gustav Possler and Cole Ully. The Oilers prospect has a 16% chance at 100 NHL games and the average for this draft slot is minor leaguer who spends 10-50 games in the NHL.
  • No. 158 overall: D Ben Betker. The big man with good speed got himself a contract and from all reports had a fine season in the WHL. I asked a scout not long ago about him and received the magnificently positive ‘he’s got a chance’ about Betker. Well, that is the truth. Sean Malone is a prospect of note chosen in the moments after Betker. Edmonton’s newest giant has a 15% chance at 100 NHL games, average is minor leaguer who spends 10-50 games in the NHL.
  • No. 188 overall: R Greg Chase. He had a weird year but scored well once traded to the coast. Has some big goals in the playoffs so far and he’ll need to combine that skill with rugged play and hard work in order to make it. It’s a long road but he got a lot out of his junior career. Brenden Kichton is an interesting player, probably the most interesting of those chosen immediately afterward. Chase has a 10% chance at 100 NHL games and the average for this late pick is minor league forward who gets 10-50 games in the NHL.

Cullen’s numbers are here.  It looks like a good draft, we’ll have to wait and see how good and how many kids make the grade. History (and Cullen) tell us the group taken outside the top 100 are going to need some help and that Houck may be in a little trouble based on his final junior season. I’m not sure if Roy should be included with Houck, my sense is he’s better than that but this is a fan talking.

The Russians and Platzer appear to be very good NHL prospects from here, along with Nurse who overcame the disappointment of draft+1 to check off all the boxes this season. I once waxed poetic on the 2010 draft and that edition, only to watch derailments of all kinds, so will keep my powder dry on this one and suggest it is tracking well on six of ten fronts with a couple of curio’s thrown in.

HOW’S THAT CRAZY TRADE GOING?

2013 draft compare

As a reminder, the trades were:

  • First trade: Edmonton trades 37th overall (Valentin Zykov) to Los Angeles for 57th overall (William Carrier), 88th overall (Anton Slephyshev) and 96th overall (Kyle Platzer).
  • Second trade: Oilers trade 57th overall (William Carrier) to St. Louis for 83rd overall (Bogdan Yakimov), 94th overall (Jackson Houck) and 113th overall (Aidain Muir).

For Edmonton, the deal works like this: Valentin Zykov for Kyle Platzer, Anton Slepyshev, Bogdan Yakimov, Aidan Muir and Jackson Houck. There’s always a danger when stacking junior numbers alongside KHL and AHL totals, but any way you slice this the deal looks pretty damn good for the Oilers. Yakimov and Carrier may be undervalued by this graph (I used Rob Vollman’s numbers for the AHL and KHL NHLE’s to frame it in the most positive way for the pro players) but no matter how we break it down three of the top five (Platzer, Slepyshev and Yakimov) are Oilers prospects.

We’re just two years in, too soon to know. It looks promising.

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  1. Younger Oil says:

    Just heard that the Flames had more come from behind wins than the Oilers had total wins this season.

    Likely unsustainable, but even so, you have to give credit where it is due. The Flames may get out corsied to hell, and have a very high PDO, but they are one of the hardest working teams in the league.

    Man, I just wish I could experience the Battle of Alberta like it used to be.

    A post on ON today had the clip of the Pisani goal in Game 5 of the Cup Finals in 06, and watching it gave me joy as it brought back great memories, but then a wave of depression came over me as I realized I haven’t had anything really comparable to that since. The cup run occurred when I was still in elementary school, and now I am almost finished a 4 year University degree, and have never stopped cheering for the OIlers that entire time, despite them never getting back to the playoffs since. My five greatest hockey memories that I have collected over the course of my life are:

    1. The ’06 cup run.

    2. Eberle’s magic in the WJC.

    3. Hemsky’s goal off of Stefan’s empty net blunder in the 2006-07 season.

    4. Anson Carter’s OT gold medal goal at the 2003 WHC.

    5. Eberle’s first NHL goal against Calgary.

    While I wouldn’t trade those memories for the world, to me they just seem to few and far between. I can’t help but feel jealous of the people who got to live through the 1980’s Oilers, although I realize it might be even more painful seeing what has become of a dynasty. All of my friends and family have long since given up on them, and I have had to go through seeing classrooms once filled with Oilers memorabilia become slowly replaced with Flames and Canucks gear, or baseball and basketball. I can’t say I blame them.

    Although this has just been me rambling, there is just one thing that I want to make as clear as possible. I want to extend a heartfelt thank you to every single commenter on this website for giving me a place to share my passion with, it is truly an amazing community with incredible people, and I have learned so much over the past 5 years that I have been reading. My dad passed away recently, and was the last person I knew in the real world that loved the Oilers, so this website has really helped me through a tough time.

    So thank you to Woodguy’s insight, GMoney’s analysis, Ricki’s numbers, Bookje’s wit, DSF’s antics, and every other commenter on this website that share’s their thoughts, opinions, frustration, and love of the Oilers. It is amazing to see how many people still care about this team.

    And most importantly of all, thank you LT, for posting incredible content daily that I can’t wait to read at 8:30am and 5:00pm every single day. You have created an amazing website, and fostered an amazing community, and are so respectful, open minded, and appreciative of every single commenter on here. You are a class act, and in my opinion the best Oilers writer in the business.

    Again, sorry for my rambling, but I just wanted to show how appreciative I am for everyone here, and how lucky I am to be able to share my passion for this team, no matter how many years they have been out of the playoffs.

  2. sliderule says:

    I can’t stand to watch Flames so I watched the Rockets game

    Leon had his usual game pretty what doing what he wanted.

    He lost the face off on tieing goal and didn’t cover the center as he drifted in slot and scored..this was after winning at least 60-70 percent of face offs.Defence is not something that most young players are comfortable with..He rang the puck off three posts so his puck luck wasn’t good.

    Chase is a question mark with an exclamation point.Made a great stretch pass to send teammate in and scored the winning goal.Took an undisciplined penalty and announcers were commenting on other similar actions .This player has skill but issues that probably resulted in his big draft drop.?I would think that unless he cleans this up somewahat it will be a major issue for him in future.

  3. Ryan says:

    Younger Oil,

    Some guy named Bruce, they still call him Bruce?, wrote an excellent article at COH.

    I don’t think he meant to, but he really digs the knife in hard for Oilers fans.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2015/04/15/what-are-calgary-flames-doing-right-that-edmonton-oilers-are-not/

  4. Ryan says:

    Anyway, being an Oilers fan is a both a blessing and a curse. If there was any other team in the league that had a blog like this, I could certainly jump on the bandwagon for the playoffs, at least.

    It’s sort of like when you start watching hockey in HD for the first time… You’re changed… Forever. Imagine this place if Katz ever decides to hire a real GM. Lordy, look out…

    I am hoping to live vicariously as a Jets fan these playoffs. They’re the perfect team to cheer for as an Oilers fan.

    Underdog? Check.
    Canadian? Check.
    Low budget? Check.
    Blue collar? Check.
    Not Vancouver or Calgary? Check.
    Big, fast, lacking top end talent? Check.

    Reminds me of watching the late 90’s Oilers…

  5. frjohnk says:

    Younger Oil,

    Hey man. I think most are in the same boat here. We all love the oilers to death and this place gives us all refuge until there is a turn to respectability. It truly is a great place.

  6. admiralmark says:

    Younger Oil,

    Well said. I think you captured well what a lot of us feel about Lowetide’s website and how he operates. I regards to growing up with the 1980’s Oilers. All I can say is it was a magical time. It is sad to compare what a proud franchise it was back then to the debacle we have in front of us today. But I wouldn’t give those memories up for anything. I think their are many diehards around still to this day because those memories are so strong. But I get the sense the length of this pitiful run is erroding away at even the mose ardent loyal fans. I truly hope yourself and this generation gets to witness a competitive team here soon. The loyal fans like yourself deserve it!

  7. Gordies Elbow says:

    Perron “microfracturing” Hagelin tonight. Gotta love playoff hockey, and the OED needs new verbs. 🙂

  8. TheOtherJohn says:

    “We’re just two years in, too soon to know” This

    The 2010 looked quite promising early too

    If Yak2 and Slepyshev can make it, that would be a great draft

    Hadn’t thought of it before just now but if we have picked in the 6OV slot in ’13, we could have drafted our big C in Monahan in 13 and Ekblad last summer. Damn Ralph Kruger

  9. oranjtorch says:

    Could someone please explain the final, ultimate draft ranking?
    As in, do we have Pittsburgh’s 16th overall pick, or will that change after the end of the playoffs, depending on how far they go?

  10. OilSafety says:

    Transfered from last thread

    Woodguy: They had a deal in place.

    Perron for Anisimov.

    Freidman and other have alluded to this and I heard it independently of MSM.

    Johansson doesn’t sign until late, Jenner gets hurt and Dubinsky needs surgery all before the puck drops on the season and CBJ can’t trade Anisimov because they can’t now.

    This happened.

    MacT then trades Perron for a fluid assets, PIT’s 1st which will have value in June.

    I hammer on MacT as much, if not more than anyone for some poor choices, but this is not among them.

    Curious Woodguy , do you think there’s any chance the Oilers could still get Anisimov for 2c? Is he worth the pitsburg pick or too short of a contract left now?

  11. Lowetide says:

    oranjtorch:
    Could someone please explain the final, ultimate draft ranking?
    As in, do we have Pittsburgh’s 16th overall pick, or will that change after the end of the playoffs, depending on how far they go?

    If the Penguins advance, the pick goes with it. If Penguins are in the final, it’s 29-30, if the lose this round it stays where it is. I’m vague on the rest.

  12. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Ryan:
    Anyway, being an Oilers fan is a both a blessing and a curse.If there was any other team in the league that had a blog like this, I could certainly jump on the bandwagon for the playoffs, at least.

    It’s sort of like when you start watching hockey in HD for the first time…You’re changed… Forever.Imagine this place if Katz ever decides to hire a real GM.Lordy, look out…

    I am hoping to live vicariously as a Jets fan these playoffs.They’re the perfect team to cheer for as an Oilers fan.

    Underdog?Check.
    Canadian? Check.
    Low budget? Check.
    Blue collar? Check.
    Not Vancouver or Calgary?Check.
    Big, fast, lacking top end talent?Check.

    Reminds me of watching the late 90’s Oilers…

    You’re vastly under rating the Jets when you assume they lack top end talent.

    Ladd, Little and Wheeler are very, very good. Better than Hopkins, Hall and Eberle.

    Schiefle scored more points than anyone not named Hopkins and Eberle…so did Perreault.

    Byfuglien, Myers and Enstrom make Craig McTavish cry himself to sleep every night.

    Their goaltending is shaky but they are a young, fast, big well coached team.

  13. Dashingsilverfox says:

    OilSafety:
    Transfered from last thread

    Curious Woodguy , do you think there’sany chance the Oilers could still get Anisimov for 2c? Is he worth the pitsburg pick or too short of a contract left now?

    Lots of speculation the Jackets will move Anisimov in the offseason but I expect there will be quite a few suitors.

    What would you offer?

  14. spoiler says:

    OilSafety:
    Transfered from last thread

    Curious Woodguy , do you think there’sany chance the Oilers could still get Anisimov for 2c? Is he worth the pitsburg pick or too short of a contract left now?

    He actually answered you in the other thread before you moved the post. He’s sneaky like that.

  15. Pouzar says:

    Dashingsilverfox: You’re vastly under rating the Jets when you assume they lack top end talent.

    Ladd, Little and Wheeler are very, very good. Better than Hopkins, Hall and Eberle.

    Schiefle scored more points than anyone not named Hopkins and Eberle…so did Perreault.

    Byfuglien, Myers and Enstrom make Craig McTavish cry himself to sleep every night.

    Their goaltending is shaky but they are a young, fast, big well coached team.

    You have this thing for apples and oranges.

  16. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Jason Zucker!

  17. Yeti says:

    Dashingsilverfox: You’re vastly under rating the Jets when you assume they lack top end talent.

    Ladd, Little and Wheeler are very, very good. Better than Hopkins, Hall and Eberle.

    Won’t you change your mind now the Hopkins has finally hit 50 points?

  18. Ben says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Lots of speculation the Jackets will move Anisimov in the offseason but I expect there will be quite a few suitors.

    What would you offer?

    I wouldn’t offer the 16th overall pick and Rob Klinkhammer, that’s fer sher.

  19. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Pouzar: You have this thing for apples and oranges.

    No. I have this thing for good players and not so good.

  20. Lowetide says:

    Dashingsilverfox: You’re vastly under rating the Jets when you assume they lack top end talent.

    Ladd, Little and Wheeler are very, very good. Better than Hopkins, Hall and Eberle.

    Schiefle scored more points than anyone not named Hopkins and Eberle…so did Perreault.

    Byfuglien, Myers and Enstrom make Craig McTavish cry himself to sleep every night.

    Their goaltending is shaky but they are a young, fast, big well coached team.

    The bong is big on this one.

  21. Pouzar says:

    Ben: I wouldn’t offer the 16th overall pick and Rob Klinkhammer, that’s fer sher.

    He is a UFA after next year? If so…not much.

  22. stush18 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Lots of speculation the Jackets will move Anisimov in the offseason but I expect there will be quite a few suitors.

    What would you offer?

    Gordon and a 3rd?

    I think i wait until i see if i can get soderburg.

  23. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Yeti: Won’t you change your mind now the Hopkins has finally hit 50 points?

    Well, Brian Little hit 64 points last season and would have done it again this season if not injured.

    Very under rated player.

  24. OilSafety says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    I’m not very good at offers, I tend to only follow the oil and not have a decent handle on other teams needs.
    But assuming there still looking for a top 6 winger maybe Purcell with money retained, perhaps a pick (not first rounder) to sweeten or a prospect in the less than Marincin category.

  25. OilSafety says:

    spoiler,

    He did didn’t he, they say a watched pot never boils, I watched for responses and saw only bendelsen, then look away for a second to change the kids diaper and….bam.. missed it

  26. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lowetide: The bong is big on this one.

    Really…?

    Let’s take these one at a time.

    RW – Blake Wheeler 6’5″ 225….skates like the wind. 26G 61P +26
    RW = Jordan Eberle – 5’11″…sneaky good. 24G 63P -16.

    I know which one I would take if I had to win a playoff round.

    And it’s not the little fella.

  27. Pouzar says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Really…?

    Let’s take these one at a time.

    RW – Blake Wheeler6’5″ 225….skates like the wind. 26G 61P +26
    RW = Jordan Eberle – 5’11″…sneaky good. 24G 63P -16.

    I know which one I would take if I had to win a playoff round.

    And it’s not the little fella.

    Little (age 27) prorated numbers over 82 gms (61)
    Nuge(age 22) prorated numbers over 82 gms (60)

  28. Pouzar says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Really…?

    Let’s take these one at a time.

    RW – Blake Wheeler6’5″ 225….skates like the wind. 26G 61P +26
    RW = Jordan Eberle – 5’11″…sneaky good. 24G 63P -16.

    I know which one I would take if I had to win a playoff round.

    And it’s not the little fella.

    So Eberle the career .80PPG player versus Blake Wheeler the career .68 PPG player.
    Agreed. Open and shut.

    Now….about that Taylor Hall guy……

  29. Bling says:

    LT, I’d love to see Nurse broken in on the 3rd pairing next season, and barring a truly atrocious camp I think he should be expected to make the team.

    By all accounts, he was playing against the opposition’s best and shutting them down while putting up good offensive numbers and possession metrics.

    He is a guy with a better pedigree than Klefbom, and hasn’t lost as much time development wise to injury.

    Guys comparable to him out of junior include the likes of Bogosian, Pietrangelo, and Dougie Hamilton. None of these guys spent significant time in the AHL (<5 games). Matt Dunba spent 20 games in the AHL, and completely destroyed it (14 points in 20 games). Griffin Reinhart played 59 games this year, but he also has less offensive upside than Nurse (based on his stats in junior).

    D-men drafted in the top 10 typically don't spend much time in the AHL.

    If the Oilers make the playoffs next year, it'll be by a hair, which means that game 1 may matter more than game 82.

    I say start the season with him.

  30. Ben says:

    Not even Crosby and Malkin can produce wins without a decent NHL defence corps.

    I don’t honestly think we’ll have any clear sense of what Hall, RNH or Eberle really are until they have a couple of quality NHL defenders behind them.

    Assuming Klefbom and Nurse develop as well as can be hoped, we should find out just as their contracts are all expiring.

  31. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Pouzar: Little (age 27) prorated numbers over 82 gms (61)
    Nuge(age 22) prorated numbers over 82 gms (60)

    So, Little is at least as good.

  32. Bling says:

    DSF:

    Provided that Nelson returns, I think RNH’s point production will take off next season based on a full season of an improved power play.

    He already plays such a complete game, and this year we saw his EV scoring numbers climb into first line C territory. No cheapie points for him.

    On Wheeler vs. Eberle, I’m inclined to agree with you.

    Eberle is a fantastic talent, but I would like to see him win more puck battles before I put him ahead of a guy like Wheeler.

  33. Pouzar says:

    Dashingsilverfox: So, Little is at least as good.

    No. Nuge will be better at age 27. *sigh*
    Try and follow along.

  34. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Pouzar: So Eberle the career .80PPG player versus Blake Wheeler the career .68 PPG player.
    Agreed. Open and shut.

    Now….about that Taylor Hall guy……

    Last 3 seasons:

    Ladd: 63G 162P +27
    Hall: 56G 168P -11.

    Close…but Ladd is a better 2 way player.

  35. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Pouzar: No. Nuge will be better at age 27. *sigh*
    Try and follow along.

    How do you know that?

    Magic 8 ball?

  36. Dashingsilverfox says:

    So, Tampa Bay wins the Corsi battle with Detroit 68-28.

    Guess who won the game?

  37. Pouzar says:

    Dashingsilverfox:

    Last 3 seasons:

    You really are a funny guy DSF.
    Don’t ever change.

  38. Pouzar says:

    Dashingsilverfox: How do you know that?

    Magic 8 ball?

    He’s just as good now….I’ll take my chances.

  39. geowal says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    So, Tampa Bay wins the Corsi battle with Detroit 68-28.

    Guess who won the game?

    Mrazek.

  40. RexLibris says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Ladd, Little and Wheeler are very, very good. Better than Hopkins, Hall and Eberle.

    You’re right. I’ve always thought Little was a very good second-line center.

  41. Dashingsilverfox says:

    RexLibris: You’re right. I’ve always thought Little was a very good second-line center.

    Little is likely the most under rated player in the entire league.

  42. Pouzar says:

    Nice giveaway Ladd.

  43. frjohnk says:

    Ladd with a terrible defensive play and ducks score.

    Crap. I’m cheering for the Jets. Got money on them

  44. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Dumba scores.

    2-0 Wild.

    Did I mention who I bet a Woodguy on to win the cup?

  45. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Jets answer.

  46. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar: Little (age 27) prorated numbers over 82 gms (61)
    Nuge(age 22) prorated numbers over 82 gms (60)

    You could throw in QualComp and some possession numbers as well, although they are pretty close on both accounts. But if you really wanted to show the difference the best way would be to tie together the defense with which each is playing.

    Getting the puck on target in flight and with space makes a world of difference.

  47. Dashingsilverfox says:

    geowal: Mrazek.

    And Datsyuk.

    Who would have thought that skill and goaltending could overcome Corsi?

  48. Ryan says:

    RexLibris: You could throw in QualComp and some possession numbers as well, although they are pretty close on both accounts. But if you really wanted to show the difference the best way would be to tie together the defense with which each is playing.

    Getting the puck on target in flight and with space makes a world of difference.

    I am watching the Jets as a fan tonight. Wow. Who knew dmen were so useful? Trouba wow.

  49. Pouzar says:

    Ryan: I am watching the Jets as a fan tonight.Wow.Who knew dmen were so useful?Trouba wow.

    Nah….DSF has a 3 for 3 trade that will put EDM right back in the playoffs.

  50. RexLibris says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Little is likely the most under rated player in the entire league.

    And I thought Jay Feaster was good at hyperbole.

    I like Bryan Little, but “the entire league” sounds a little playground-ish.

    How about something like “Little is in the same class of underrated player as Patrice Bergeron a few years back”.

  51. Dashingsilverfox says:

    RexLibris: You could throw in QualComp and some possession numbers as well, although they are pretty close on both accounts. But if you really wanted to show the difference the best way would be to tie together the defense with which each is playing.

    Getting the puck on target in flight and with space makes a world of difference.

    And as soon as the Oilers hire Bobby Orr and Niklas Lidstrom…they’ll be good to go.

    The Jets have managed to acquire Buff, Enstrom, Trouba and Myers all of whom are better than any Oiler defenseman.

    How could this happen?

  52. Lowetide says:

    Bling:
    LT, I’d love to see Nurse broken in on the 3rd pairing next season, and barring a truly atrocious camp I think he should be expected to make the team.

    Agreed. I think he has a good shot at making the team this fall.

  53. Chris says:

    The 2014 draft was basically Dr. Dre and then mud. Its the anti-2013 draft.On the upside the fact we will need to sign perhaps one guy from this year who isn’t already under contract will really help the 50 man roster.

  54. Ryan says:

    frjohnk:
    Ladd with a terrible defensive play and ducks score.

    Crap. I’m cheering for the Jets. Got money on them

    Making bets with RyanCorsi data?

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/ryans-hope/

  55. RexLibris says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    So, Tampa Bay wins the Corsi battle with Detroit 68-28.

    Guess who won the game?

    I saw this exact same argument virtually every single time the Flames won this season.

    Every time it was framed in a “stats nerds don’t understand the game and advanced analytics are a bunch of crap they use to slag our team” fashion.

    Please tell me you aren’t following that line of thought. You are far too intelligent for that.

    And further to your later comment, yes, skill and goaltending can overcome a single game’s worth of poor puck possession. But it’s like driving with the fuel light on – once in awhile isn’t the worst thing in the world, but you don’t want to push your luck.

  56. Pouzar says:

    Dashingsilverfox: And as soon as the Oilers hire Bobby Orr and Niklas Lidstrom…they’ll be good to go.

    The Jets have managed to acquire Buff, Enstrom, Trouba and Myers all of whom are better than any Oiler defenseman.

    How could this happen?

    The Jets inherited Buff and Enstrom. Just stop it.

  57. Ryan says:

    Pouzar: Nah….DSF has a 3 for 3 trade that will put EDM right back in the playoffs.

    Buff, trouba, and Meyers for Ference, Nikitin, and Schultz? Lol. 🙂

  58. RexLibris says:

    Dashingsilverfox: And as soon as the Oilers hire Bobby Orr and Niklas Lidstrom…they’ll be good to go.

    The Jets have managed to acquire Buff, Enstrom, Trouba and Myers all of whom are better than any Oiler defenseman.

    How could this happen?

    The patience of a saint, some good drafting, and a few fortunate circumstances (the Kane trade was forced and they were lucky enough to have a team with a solid young defensemen they were in the process of moving).

  59. Pouzar says:

    Ryan: Buff, trouba, and Meyers for Ference, Nikitin, and Schultz?Lol.

    This.

  60. Ryan says:

    buff has some secret agent inside of him with that pass.

  61. frjohnk says:

    Ryan: Making bets with RyanCorsi data?

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/ryans-hope/

    Don’t tell Pouzar but I like the Jets.

    And got a buddy who is a Ducks fan.

    So I thought there could be money made here.

    And yes that graph did come into play.

  62. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: Don’t tell Pouzar but I like the Jets.

    And got a buddy who is a Ducks fan.

    So I thought there could be money made here.

    And yes that graph did come into play.

    GO TO YOUR ROOM and work on yer JETS SUCK Graph and don’t come out till yer done!

  63. geowal says:

    Dashingsilverfox: And Datsyuk.

    Who would have thought that skill and goaltending could overcome Corsi?

    I always found that Stamkos fella to be quite highly skilled. Bishop seems to know his away around the net. Unless Mrazek can channel Jaro Halak a couple years ago I’m feeling safe with picking the bolts to take this round.

  64. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Agreed. I think he has a good shot at making the team this fall.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with…

    Wait.

    Yes. Yes, dammit. There IS something wrong with that!

  65. Ryan says:

    Dashingsilverfox: And Datsyuk.

    Who would have thought that skill and goaltending could overcome Corsi?

    Dude, you should leave the topic of killing Corsi to David Staples.

  66. TheOtherJohn says:

    Pouzar,

    That is simply not true. Atlanta traded for Buff in the summer of ’10. That would an acquisition. Same time we were in the rebuild

    pretty physical game

  67. RexLibris says:

    SPAM ALERT

    My final Flames Expectations article is up.

    http://flamesnation.ca/2015/4/16/calgary-flames-final-expectations-update

    Musical accompaniment by Nina Simone and Oscar Peterson with special guests Lena Horne, Joe Williams, Billie Holiday, John Coltrane, Charles Mingus, Ella Fitzgerald and many more.

    Also Doucette if Jazz is too crazy for you.

  68. Pouzar says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Pouzar,

    That is simply not true. Atlanta traded for Buffin the summer of ’10. That would an acquisition. Same time we were in the rebuild

    pretty physical game

    He said Jets. I realize Buff was acquired by the Thrashers but giving credit to the Jets organization for acquiring Buff is a tad disingenuous.

  69. Pouzar says:

    Dennis King via twitter RE: Andrew Ladd

    Look away DSF…Mr 2 way is more 1 way…maybe his Corgis make up for his lack of skill.

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH
    I know it means little but Andrew Ladd’s playoff production is Barry Bonds as a Pirate terrible

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH
    @conkanen 8 goals and 15 points and 53 games

  70. justDOit says:

    TIL: Little is the new Wellwood.

  71. G Money says:

    Let’s look at actual data instead of that of the prunus-retrieval variety.

    NYI vs WSH, NYI 53.9% 5×5 Corsi. NYI wins.
    CHI vs NSH, CHI 52.9% 5×5 Corsi. CHI wins.
    MTL vs OTT, MTL 51.0% 5×5 Corsi. MTL wins. (51% is a pick ’em)
    CGY vs VAN, CGY 50.0% 5×5 Corsi. CGY wins. (50% is a pick ’em)
    NYR vs PIT, NYR 49.4% 5×5 Corsi. NYR wins. (49% is a pick ’em)
    DET vs TB, DET 29.8% 5×5 Corsi. Mrazek wins. As the numerate have pointed out over and over and over again, the ONLY way to consistently go against the Corsi grain over the long haul is goaltending. And even that actually works better in the short term. (ref: see Avalanche, Colorado)

    MIN leading in score … and EV Corsi.
    ANA tied … leading in EV Corsi.

    Fun times.

  72. G Money says:

    Just because DSF likes Little, Ladd, and Wheeler, doesn’t mean they’re bad players.

  73. Pouzar says:

    G Money:
    Just because DSF likes Little, Ladd, and Wheeler, doesn’t mean they’re bad players.

    Who says they are bad players?

  74. striker says:

    Dashingsilverfox: So, Little is at least as good.

    No, he’s not as good, he’s better. I read it somewhere ages ago:

    “Ladd, Little and Wheeler are very, very good. Better than Hopkins, Hall and Eberle.”

  75. Don't Bishai says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    The Jets have managed to acquire Buff, Enstrom, Trouba and Myers all of whom are better than any Oiler defenseman.

    How could this happen?

    I don’t post often here, but quotes like the above from DSF always confuse me. I read this blog daily. I don’t see a multitude of posters arguing that the Oilers are a well managed team. And yet, there’s an incessant need to state the obvious time and again, phrased in different ways. It’s like going on a RIM blog and telling people that Apple and Android are outperforming/outselling them.

    Anyways, the Jets are a fun team to watch, and yes they have excellent defensemen. I don’t think their goaltending will hold for a long run but otherwise they have the makeup of a playoff team.

    I haven’t followed DET closely at all this year. Has Mrazek been their starter, or is Howard dinged up right now?

  76. Wolfie says:

    Pouzar,

    I don’t get your hate for the Jets…

  77. RexLibris says:

    G Money:
    Just because DSF likes Little, Ladd, and Wheeler, doesn’t mean they’re bad people.

    That’s better.

  78. Gally says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Dashingsilverfox: So, Little is at least as good.

    Dammit, DSF, I like the smart things you say. The numbers clearly show guys peak at 24-26, so Little is on the decline, while Nugent hasn’t peaked yet, but they posted the same counting numbers. So, yeah, Little is totally better.

  79. thurmtim says:

    Re: Where does the Pittsburgh pick fall? (The following information courtesy of Pension Plan Puppets.)

    For the playoff teams, the Stanley Cup Champion drafts 30th, preceded by the Stanley Cup Finalist, the conference finalists and each of the regular season’s divisional winners (Pacific, Central, Metropolitan, Atlantic). The rest are arranged by their finish in the regular season, starting with the club with the lowest point total, and so forth.

    If neither Pittsburgh or Calgary are conference finalists, the Pittsburgh pick is #16. If Calgary makes the Conference Final and Pittsburgh does not, then Pittsburgh’s pick is #15. If Pittsburgh and Calgary are Conference Finalists, but do not advance, then Pittsburgh’s pick is #28. If Pittsburgh is a Conference finalist and Calgary is not, then Pittsburgh’s pick is #27.

    To put it another way, If Pittsburgh makes the Final Round the pick is either #29 or #30, depending on whether they win or lose. If Pittsburgh only makes it three rounds, it is either #27 or #28, depending on whether Calgary does better or worse than Pittsburgh. Every other case has Pittsburgh picking at #16, unless Calgary is also at least a Conference Finalist, making Pittsburgh’s pick #15.

    Damn if I didn’t just make it sound even more complicated than it is…. 😉

  80. TheOtherJohn says:

    G Money,

    They are very good players.

    As to Dennis King and his comment on Andrew Ladd. He was 20 years old in Carolina’s SC championship team and had 5 pts in 17 games. I’d say that’s pretty good scoring for a 20 year old. He was a 3rd line winger on the ’09 & 10 Hawks playoff teams with 15 points in 53 games. On the’10 SC winning teams he was 24years old. Pretty good player.

    I would say that was pretty impressive but everyone’s got an opinion

  81. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar:
    Dennis King via twitter RE: Andrew Ladd

    Look away DSF…Mr 2 way is more 1 way…maybe his Corgis make up for his lack of skill.

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH
    I know it means little but Andrew Ladd’s playoff production is Barry Bonds as a Pirate terrible

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH
    @conkanen 8 goals and 15 points and 53 games

    In fairness to Ladd, he has played in 3 playoffs as a 21 yearold, 24 and 25 yearold.

    He was a rookie in Carolina and he played on a deep team in Chicago, so one should not be surprised he does not have many points in the playoffs.

    I’m a fan of Ladd, probably a top 10 LWer in the league.

  82. Gally says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Dashingsilverfox: And Datsyuk.

    Who would have thought that skill and goaltending could overcome Corsi?

    Well, LA showed it’s possible. In reverse. Nonsensical things Happen.

  83. Pouzar says:

    Wolfie:
    Pouzar,

    I don’t get your hate for the Jets…

    I live in Winnipeg. Life long Oilers fan who moved to WPG in ’99. My two best friends out here are Jets season ticket holders who love to give me the gears about Oiler suckitude and the Jets recent success every chance they get. I think the team is as constructed is fantastic and I don’t dislike a single player ( I hated Kane but he is gone).

  84. RexLibris says:

    Don’t Bishai: I don’t post often here, but quotes like the above from DSF always confuse me. I read this blog daily. I don’t see a multitude of posters arguing that the Oilers are a well managed team. And yet, there’s an incessant need to state the obvious time and again, phrased in different ways. It’s like going on a RIM blog and telling people that Apple and Android are outperforming/outselling them.

    Anyways, the Jets are a fun team to watch, and yes they have excellent defensemen. I don’t think their goaltending will hold for a long run but otherwise they have the makeup of a playoff team.

    I haven’t followed DET closely at all this year. Has Mrazek been their starter, or is Howard dinged up right now?

    Welcome!

    I think some of it comes down to splitting hairs and looking for nuance in the criticisms.

    The community here has come to be very distrustful of comfortable narratives, so when people say things like the Jets have a better D than the Oilers we look to add a little context to the situation.

    The Jets DO have a much better D. Their forward group is pretty good and they were the primary beneficiaries years ago when the Hawks had to do their first sell-off.

    The Oilers are gradually accumulating some decent D prospects in Klefbom, Marincin and Nurse. They may add to that group this June with Hanifin. Meanwhile they have the beginnings of a fair C depth chart in Nugent-Hopkins, Lander, Draisaitl, and Yakimov with a few other prospects added in for depth. Nothing great, but far better than this time two years ago.

    MacTavish has made some heady errors. We know this. It is established. Reciting it with the pretense that it somehow taints the rest of the roster with the miasma of failure is wrongheaded. Yet it is convenient for many, be they media or casual observers, to do so.

    LT writes that these comments should be remembered for the day that may yet come when the cocoon is sloughed off and this team can emerge as something less than a basketcase, perhaps even a contender.

    I believe he’s right. It is easy to criticize the Oilers. They have been, are and will continue to be terrible. But at the same time, there is not a single team in this league, no matter how downtrodden, that does not have its respective bright lights. Ignoring or belittling them on account of the state of the rest of the team is either mean-spirited or a sign of willful ignorance.

    Post more, I think we’d all like to hear your input.

  85. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: In fairness to Ladd, he has played in 3 playoffs as a 21 yearold, 24 and 25 yearold.

    He was a rookie in Carolina and he played on a deep team in Chicago, so one should not be surprised he does not have many points in the playoffs.

    I’m a fan of Ladd, probably a top 10 LWer in the league.

    I’ve defended Ladd many times to actual Jets buds here many times. I think he is excellent that is why I was shocked by the playoff totals.

  86. TheOtherJohn says:

    frjohnk,

    ,*20, 23 and 24 years old in those respective seasons

  87. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar: I live in Winnipeg. Life long Oilers fan who moved to WPG in ’99. My two best friends out here are Jets season ticket holders who love to give me the gears about Oiler suckitude and the Jets recent success every chance they get. I think the team is as constructed is fantastic and I don’t dislike a single player ( I hated Kane but he is gone).

    I get the hate. I despised the Jets of old.

    However, I can give these current fans a pass…for now.

    They had their team ripped out of their hands and hauled away. That’s a horrible fate for any fan base.

    However. Every time they brag to you, offer to buy them a bag of popcorn.

    http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2013/3/19/4123580/video-death-by-popcorn-the-tragedy-of-the-winnipeg-jets

  88. TheOtherJohn says:

    RexLibris,

    Dunno, after a couple more development seasons, we may want to petition NHL for an expansion franchise

  89. Wolfie says:

    Pouzar,

    I live in Winnipeg too. Pretty much same story as you. Lived in Morinville just north of Edmonton in the late 70s. So the Oilers are in my blood. I didn’t really care for the Jets 1.0. But I do share season seats to be able to watch NHL hockey live.

    I love what the Jets have done for Winnipeg. I wish the Oilers could do the same for Edmonton. This Jets team does remind me of the underdog Oilers teams of the 90s. They are hard on the puck and don’t back down from anyone. Hard working team.

    I’m going to cheer for the Jets. If any Canadian team wins a Cup and it’s not the Oilers the Jets are my first pick. This town would go bananas!

  90. G Money says:

    Pouzar: Who says they are bad players?

    TheOtherJohn: They are very good players.

    RexLibris: That’s better.

    🙂

    Just for clarity, it was an overly subtle reverse dig – as we should all know by now, if a player is an Oiler, in DSFonomics it automatically means every player on any other team is better.

  91. Pouzar says:

    Did I break lowetide.ca?

  92. Pouzar says:

    G Money:

    Just for clarity, it was an overly subtle reverse dig – as we should all know by now, if a player is an Oiler, in DSFonomics it automatically means every player on any other team is better.

    I should have known….”Just when I think I’m out….” 🙂

  93. Pouzar says:

    Wolfie:
    Pouzar,

    I live in Winnipeg too.Pretty much same story as you.Lived in Morinville just north of Edmonton in the late 70s.So the Oilers are in my blood.I didn’t really care for the Jets 1.0.But I do share season seats to be able to watch NHL hockey live.

    I love what the Jets have done for Winnipeg.I wish the Oilers could do the same for Edmonton.This Jets team does remind me of the underdog Oilers teams of the 90s.They are hard on the puck and don’t back down from anyone.Hard working team.

    I’m going to cheer for the Jets.If any Canadian team wins a Cup and it’s not the Oilers the Jets are my first pick.This town would go bananas!

    Cheering for the Jets? Yer a better man than me! 🙂

    Well said though my friend.

  94. Lowetide says:

    Pouzar:
    Did I break lowetide.ca?

    Not yet!

  95. PhrankLee says:

    I get a kick out of the Troll.

    I try to make statements and respond to arguments with answers.

    You can always catch a troll because in answer to a question they usually ask another question.

    Fall for it if you must but feeding trolls who assume moderator tones is foolish.

    And Douche-nozzle knows it.

    It’s a reverse circle-jerk and the guy seems to get off on it. Ladd, Little and Wheeler better than Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle..? I rarely swear but fuck that.

    Lt called it. Whomever sports that line is smoking crack.

    TL;DR Sycophantic troll with an occasional noble gesture is still a sycophantic troll.

  96. Ca$h-Money! says:

    PhrankLee:
    I get a kick out of the Troll.

    I try to make statements and respond to arguments with answers.

    You can always catch a troll because in answer to a question they usually ask another question.

    Fall for it if you must but feeding trolls who assume moderator tones is foolish.

    And Douche-nozzle knows it.

    It’s a reverse circle-jerk and the guy seems to get off on it.Ladd, Little and Wheeler better than Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle..? I rarely swear but fuck that.

    Lt called it.Whomever sports that line is smoking crack.

    TL;DR Sycophantic troll with an occasional noble gesture is still a sycophantic troll.

    It all comes down to Granlund > Hall.

  97. Pouzar says:

    PhrankLee:
    I get a kick out of the Troll.

    I try to make statements and respond to arguments with answers.

    You can always catch a troll because in answer to a question they usually ask another question.

    Fall for it if you must but feeding trolls who assume moderator tones is foolish.

    And Douche-nozzle knows it.

    It’s a reverse circle-jerk and the guy seems to get off on it.Ladd, Little and Wheeler better than Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle..? I rarely swear but fuck that.

    Lt called it.Whomever sports that line is smoking crack.

    TL;DR Sycophantic troll with an occasional noble gesture is still a sycophantic troll.

    He seems to get dipshit trolling immunity around here for some reason.
    Yeah yeah you have to weed out the bad from the good blah blah blah….

    How bout dem Pens?

  98. RexLibris says:

    Ca$h-Money!: It all comes down to Granlund > Hall.

    I thought Gaudreau was better than Hall? Both LWs. It carries with it implications that the Flames can do more with a 4th round pick than the Oilers with a 1st overall. – for the record this argument wasn’t made by DSF, but a Flames fan in a sporting mood.

  99. Pouzar says:

    Should get lots of work done in the office today. 🙂

  100. frjohnk says:

    PhrankLee:
    I get a kick out of the Troll.

    I try to make statements and respond to arguments with answers.

    You can always catch a troll because in answer to a question they usually ask another question.

    Fall for it if you must but feeding trolls who assume moderator tones is foolish.

    And Douche-nozzle knows it.

    It’s a reverse circle-jerk and the guy seems to get off on it.Ladd, Little and Wheeler better than Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle..? I rarely swear but fuck that.

    Lt called it.Whomever sports that line is smoking crack.

    TL;DR Sycophantic troll with an occasional noble gesture is still a sycophantic troll.

    I love the oilers and Id have to say the Jets are my 2nd favorite team. I had the center ice package this winter and watch a lot of hockey. Every night. Sometimes I had the laptop and TV going at the same time watching games. Drives the wife crazy.

    I watched almost all of the Oiler games and probably 40 Jets game. My favorite type of hockey player is an Andrew Ladd, Blake Wheeler type. Big, fast, physical and skilled.

    Now if someone is going to compare the Jets first line with the Oilers first line Id go.

    LW- Hall > Ladd
    C – RNH > Little
    RW- Wheeler> Eberle

    Something has to be said for Winnipegs defence. Its way better than the Oilers D.

    Let the Ladd, Little and Wheeler line play with the Oiler D and we would see their numbers drop.
    Put the Hall, RNH and Eberle line to play with the Jets D and we would see their numbers rise.

  101. Woodguy says:

    DSF has value in that he challenges things that are assumed which makes you re-check your assumptions and that ends up giving you a better understanding of things.

    That’s been my experience.

    The issue lies when he starts getting a little too far afield and it turns into comedy and the goalposts have wheels because they never stay in the same place for more than 5 min.

    I enjoy his contributions, but you just can’t sweat the comedy because I’m pretty sure he doesn’t believe half the shit he posts, he’s just throwing bait into the water to see who bites.

    Don’t bite.

  102. Doubting Olive says:

    Woodguy:
    DSF has value in that he challenges things that are assumed which makes you re-check your assumptions and that ends up giving you a better understanding of things.

    That’s been my experience.

    The issue lies when he starts getting a little too far afield and it turns into comedy and the goalposts have wheels because they never stay in the same place for more than 5 min.

    I enjoy his contributions, but you just can’t sweat the comedy because I’m pretty sure he doesn’t believe half the shit he posts, he’s just throwing bait into the water to see who bites.

    Don’t bite.

    But it’s the tastiest of bait!!!!!! Surely a little nibble every now and then?

  103. jake70 says:

    Christine Simpson last night interviewing R. Nash post game down by the locker room in MSG….you could see Bill Daley in the background hanging out – I am sure it was league business but man, looked like a fan-boy down there.

  104. jake70 says:

    RexLibris: Welcome!

    I think some of it comes down to splitting hairs and looking for nuance in the criticisms.

    The community here has come to be very distrustful of comfortable narratives, so when people say things like the Jets have a better D than the Oilers we look to add a little context to the situation.

    The Jets DO have a much better D. Their forward group is pretty good and they were the primary beneficiaries years ago when the Hawks had to do their first sell-off.

    The Oilers are gradually accumulating some decent D prospects in Klefbom, Marincin and Nurse. They may add to that group this June with Hanifin. Meanwhile they have the beginnings of a fair C depth chart in Nugent-Hopkins, Lander, Draisaitl, and Yakimov with a few other prospects added in for depth. Nothing great, but far better than this time two years ago.

    MacTavish has made some heady errors. We know this. It is established. Reciting it with the pretense that it somehow taints the rest of the roster with the miasma of failure is wrongheaded. Yet it is convenient for many, be they media or casual observers, to do so.

    LT writes that these comments should be remembered for the day that may yet come when the cocoon is sloughed off and this team can emerge as something less than a basketcase, perhaps even a contender.

    I believe he’s right. It is easy to criticize the Oilers. They have been, are and will continue to be terrible. But at the same time, there is not a single team in this league, no matter how downtrodden, that does not have its respective bright lights. Ignoring or belittling them on account of the state of the rest of the team is either mean-spirited or a sign of willful ignorance.

    Post more, I think we’d all like to hear your input.

    Great post.

  105. leadfarmer says:

    Dallas signed Klinberg to a 7 year 4.2 mil a year contract, so maybe the 7 year 3.5 mil per year for Klefbom is possible.

  106. Lowetide says:

    DSF has value because he brings a lot of knowledge and points out things that need to be addressed. Does he push and prod and troll? Yes. If you’re new to the group, I’d wager there’s a good part of you that wonders why he’s here or why I don’t time him out.

    The fact is, the conversation is better and has more of an edge with DSF. He is absolutely on point in many areas, and when he does fly off into the hinterland he has the good sense to make it obvious.

    Every discussion needs tension and another view. DSF provides an extremely valuable service to us.

  107. season not played says:

    Lowetide:
    DSF has value because he brings a lot of knowledge and points out things that need to be addressed. Does he push and prod and troll? Yes. If you’re new to the group, I’d wager there’s a good part of you that wonders why he’s here or why I don’t time him out.

    The fact is, the conversation is better and has more of an edge with DSF. He is absolutely on point in many areas, and when he does fly off into the hinterland he has the good sense to make it obvious.

    Every discussion needs tension and another view. DSF provides an extremely valuable service to us.

    Agreed.

  108. Pouzar says:

    So is if PIT is eliminated by NYR we have 15th pick no matter what else happens?
    That pick gonna have some big time value.

  109. tubes says:

    Lowetide,

    I’ll agree that he has value and brings a lot of knowledge to the discussions but he is the biggest troll and takes shots at every Oiler whenever he can.

    Are conversations better with that friend who is never wrong or do you just stop hanging out with him because he won’t change his ways? I personally stop hanging out with people who can’t see both sides of the argument.

    70% of what he says has merit. The other 30% is absolute trolling BS that makes the comment section frustrating to scroll through, IMO.

  110. G Money says:

    Rex:

    They have been, are and will continue to be terrible. But at the same time, there is not a single team in this league, no matter how downtrodden, that does not have its respective bright lights. Ignoring or belittling them on account of the state of the rest of the team is either mean-spirited or a sign of willful ignorance.

    LT:

    Every discussion needs tension and another view. DSF provides an extremely valuable service to us.

    The issue I have is the signal to noise ratio (LT describing signal, Rex describing noise) is way biased to the noise. Tubes figures 30% noise, to me it looks more like 80%.

    As result, threads in which DSF participates I either just tune out because they become pointless, or I find myself mocking the painfully stupid trolling embedded in his posts. The latter is very much not in my nature.

    Bohologo may have it right. If we’re on the PB theme, assume at any given time that you’re hearing Vizzini, Count Rugan, or Humperdinck and the script will fit.

    LT: Sorry, I guess that makes you Peter Falk!

  111. Doubting Olive says:

    Lowetide:
    DSF has value because he brings a lot of knowledge and points out things that need to be addressed. Does he push and prod and troll? Yes. If you’re new to the group, I’d wager there’s a good part of you that wonders why he’s here or why I don’t time him out.

    The fact is, the conversation is better and has more of an edge with DSF. He is absolutely on point in many areas, and when he does fly off into the hinterland he has the good sense to make it obvious.

    Every discussion needs tension and another view. DSF provides an extremely valuable service to us.

    That was very tactful, LT. However, respect is respect. While DSF does provide some salient points, they seem to be more because he is contrarian and inflammatory then actually believing what he writes. I’d say he misses as much as he hits. His opinions though, come from the lack of respect for other’s opinions.

    In other words, he’s a barbarian and we are the romans. We build, he demolishes. This is a primarily an Oilers fan blog. DSF will tell you he’s a fan in one post, then tell us why other teams are better by deriding everything about this team. If you can’t look at your supposed team and see ONE bright spot, such as Hall or Nelly helping Yak, and so on, you are NOT a fan.

    Please tell me I’m wrong.

    Please post the last thing that DSF said that was complimentary of the Oilers.

    And now you see what gets people’s goat. While he causes us to question our assumptions, he is not an Oilers fan, he’s here for his kicks. Never forget that.

    Giving people the finger in a velvet glove is still giving people the finger.

  112. theres oil in virginia says:

    frjohnk: LW- Hall > Ladd
    C – RNH > Little
    RW- Wheeler> Eberle

    DSF-level silliness aside, it amazes me how little respect Eberle gets here, even from respected/respectable posters.

    Blake Wheeler is another player who shows that scoring levels tend to increase around age 26-27, as his last 3 years have boosted his totals by quite a bit and he’s 28. Still, with the large increase in goals per game over the last 3 years, he’s only at 0.28 G/gm overall (22-28 year-old seasons), and his last 3 years average 0.35 G/gm, which means his first 4 years average 0.23 G/gm.

    Eberle has averaged 0.34 G/gm over his first 5 years (20-24 year-old seasons). He hasn’t even seen the ages/seasons where Wheeler was by far his most productive. On top of that, I think we all know the quality/maturity of the team that Eberle has been on compared to Wheeler.

    Similar observations hold for P/gm.

    —————-

    Eberle (20-24 YO):
    0.34 G/gm
    14.1% shooting
    0.80 P/gm

    Wheeler (22-28 YO):
    0.28 G/gm
    11.4% shooting
    0.68 P/gm

    So, unless there’s a measuring tape or a weight scale involved, Eberle > Wheeler. Or, maybe it’s all about draft pedigree? I simply don’t get it. Maybe Eberle won’t see the bump that many of the players that I, and others, compare him against see, but if you compare them at the same age, Eberle usually outperforms them. Not to mention that Eberle led his team in points…again…for the 3rd time in 5 years, and in goals (tied this year)…again…for the 3rd time (tied twice) in 5 years. (In Wheeler’s defense, he’s led his team in scoring a couple of times too.)

    These stats are much easier to find and suss out than stats like Corsi and WOWY, etc, which always makes me wonder why folks don’t ever seem to look at them…when Eberle is involved.

    Hey Pouzar, can I get a witness!?
    😉

  113. vinotintazo says:

    Ca$h-Money!: It all comes down to Granlund > Hall.

    wait a minute…. is it flames granlund or minis gandlund? 😀

  114. Pouzar says:

    theres oil in virginia: DSF-level silliness aside, it amazes me how little respect Eberle gets here, even from respected/respectable posters.

    Blake Wheeler is another player who shows that scoring levels tend to increase around age 26-27, as his last 3 years have boosted his totals by quite a bit and he’s 28.Still, with the large increase in goals per game over the last 3 years, he’s only at 0.28 G/gm overall (22-28 year-old seasons), and his last 3 years average 0.35 G/gm, which means his first 4 years average 0.23 G/gm.

    Eberle has averaged 0.34 G/gm over his first 5 years (20-24 year-old seasons).He hasn’t even seen the ages/seasons where Wheeler was by far his most productive.On top of that, I think we all know the quality/maturity of the team that Eberle has been on compared to Wheeler.

    Similar observations hold for P/gm.

    —————-

    Eberle (20-24 YO):
    0.34 G/gm
    14.1% shooting
    0.80 P/gm

    Wheeler (22-28 YO):
    0.28 G/gm
    11.4% shooting
    0.68 P/gm

    So, unless there’s a measuring tape or a weight scale involved, Eberle > Wheeler.Or, maybe it’s all about draft pedigree?I simply don’t get it.Maybe Eberle won’t see the bump that many of the players that I, and others, compare him against see, but if you compare them at the same age, Eberle usually outperforms them.Not to mention that Eberle led his team in points…again…for the 3rd time in 5 years, and in goals (tied this year)…again…for the 3rd time (tied twice) in 5 years.(In Wheeler’s defense, he’s led his team in scoring a couple of times too.)

    These stats are much easier to find and suss out than stats like Corsi and WOWY, etc, which always makes me wonder why folks don’t ever seem to look at them…when Eberle is involved.

    Hey Pouzar, can I get a witness!?

    Couldn’t agree more. And his fancy stats are top notch this year as well. But he doesn’t win board battles or back check.

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