REVIEWING THE 2012 DRAFT

The Edmonton Oilers won the 2012 draft lottery and chose the correct prospect. I say that because over the years it’s been covered, uncovered and covered back again and people never seem to remember Yak was in fact the No. 1 prospect on the board. The final Steve Tambellini draft featured three bigger men, a second Russian, a Swedish defender and an undersized kid from Burnaby. Honestly, “mixed bag” seems like the best description.

  • No. 1 overall: R Nail Yakupov. It’s hard to believe his entry-level deal is complete, and it ends without a lot of fanfare. Our man Nail has shown glimpses of brilliance and there are important signs of progress (the new contract being one indication). The difficult maturation of Yakupov coincided with the difficult growing pains of a newly-formed management group and I’m fully prepared to heap blame on the suits, with enough left over for Nail to acknowledge a difficult 2.5-ish seasons in the show. I remain convinced he’ll be an impact NHL player, although it may be in a more narrow view. Among those chosen afterward (Ryan Murray, Alex Galchenyuk, Griffin Reinhart, Morgan Reilly, Hampus Lindholm, Matt Dumba, Jacob Trouba), several are now emerging as strong players for their teams. There’s every reason to believe Yakupov will take a step forward next season, and not to be a broken record but waiting five years is a good idea. Yakupov leads his draft year in goals (42) and that should remain for the next several years, especially if he can find an EV center he can work with every game. Scott Cullen tells us there’s a 100% chance of 100 games (he’s already at 192) and the average player at No. 1 overall develops into a top-six forward trending to first-line forward. In Feb-Mar he was 25GP, 7-11-18, representing his best run since his rookie year.
  • No. 32 overall: L Mitchell Moroz. One of the Oilers lightning rod selections in the second round during the Tambellini era, Moroz enjoyed a solid Draft+1 season and a quality Draft+2 that saw him blossom offensively in junior. His draft day scouting report tells us exactly what Edmonton was looking for: Redline Report: Big, edgy power forward plays an in-your-face style and looks to initiate hard contact all over the ice. A feared enforcer who picked up 20 fighting majors, yet skates and handles the puck well enough to take regular shifts. Coaches eventually rotated him into the top six to give scoring lines a boost – gives smaller, skilled linemates more room to work with his physicality. Has surprising offensive tools with a heavy snap shot. His first season in pro hockey (64GP, 5-3-8) doesn’t look like we’re seeing a top-9 forward in the making, but time-on-ice and deployment issues keep us from knowing the entire story. Among those chosen right after Moroz, Sebastian Collberg, Ville Pokka, Nicolas Kerdiles and Pontus Aberg all had superior AHL seasons—playing time no doubt having a role in their performances. Scott Cullen’s numbers tell us selection No. 32 has a 34% chance of playing 100 NHL games and the average pick at this number becomes a minor leaguer with 50+ games in the NHL. The issue with taking Moroz isn’t related to the player, from all I’ve heard and read he is a quality young man and he’s well spoken in conversation. The issue is in taking a role player (Moroz’ outer marker is a physical two-way player who can chip in offensively) at No. 32 overall and points to Edmonton’s draft for need mentality and then not playing him much. It does appear he’s getting more icetime in the last dozen games and his performances are improving.
  • No. 63 overall: C Jujhar Khaira. Another big man, the sense I got out of training camp is that Khaira (and Bogdan Yakimov) had stepped ahead of some others in the organization based on management’s estimation. Khaira didn’t deliver much offense in OKC (51GP, 4-6-10) and his boxcars are a comparable for Moroz and Travis Ewanyk—the job Khaira will be applying for in the NHL (should be make it) will need a far better bat than the one he’s showing so far in his pro career. Of the group taken immediately after Khaira, Jimmy Vesey looks like a very promising prospect and MacKenzie MacEachern has progressed nicely. The 2012 draft seems a little hit and miss by the third round, perhaps reflecting the quality compared to 2011 and 2013’s editions. Cullen’s work shows a player taken No. 63 overall has a  37.5% of playing 100 NHL games and the average player at this number is a good to very good minor league who could be expected to play in 50 or so NHL games.
  • No. 91 overall: L Daniil Zharkov. Russian winger was drafted out of the Belleville Bulls (OHL) and had a pretty nice resume. He struggled in his draft+1 season, trying to  add to his two-way abilities while improving offensively and I’m not sure he managed to improve either. He flew the coop to the KHL in season two after the draft and played measured minutes in the KHL (49GP, 2-3-5) and then in the VHL (39gp, 4-5-9) this past season. Edmonton did not sign him last summer, don’t think they’ll sign him this year. Among those taken after, Josh Anderson has played some in the NHL but none of the players in his range (taken after Zharkov) are trending as legit NHL players. Scott Cullen’s numbers tell us selection No. 91 has a 24.5% chance of playing 100 NHL games and the average pick at this number becomes a minor leaguer with under 50 NHL games as the expectation.
  • No. 93 overall: D Erik Gustafsson. Offensive minded 23-year old had a nice season in the SHL and there might be a player here. Oilers no longer have his rights, so if he ever does come over chances are it’ll be another NHL team doing the signing. An aside that really doesn’t have much importance, but finding out things about this player has been a royal pain in the ass since draft day. There are several men with the same name (not just the Flyers D) and I’ve read something on all of them. Among the five players taken after Gustafsson, Josh Anderson, Kevin Roy and Adam Gilmour are players of interest. The Cullen story goes like this: No. 91 has a 24.5% chance of playing 100 NHL games and the average pick at this number becomes a minor league player/under 50 NHL games.
  • No. 123 overall: D Joey Laleggia. Offensive defender always had the puck-moving chops but reports have him improving defensively—and that will be a key. There are some things to worry over, he’s not a big guy and the NHL is a league of giant wingers, but Laleggia’s supporters are myriad and include some pretty sharp hockey minds. He went 37GP, 15-25-40 to wrap up in Denver and is 3GP, 0-1-1 in OKC as we speak. Of the five men taken directly after him, none are tracking more impressively—although Seth Griffith, taken later in the round, has played 30 games in the NHL. Cullen’s toy has Laleggia with a 16% chance of making it to 100 NHL games and average is a minor leaguer with 10-50 games in the NHL.
  • No. 153 overall: John McCarron. Disappointing wrap to his college career (31GP, 4-8-12) and it’s unlikely based on boxcars the Oilers sign McCarron. He’s a big winger though, so there’s always a chance they see something—he did have some traction before this year. Among the five players taken afterward, Connor Brown really does look like a good prospect. The Cullen story goes like this: No. 153 has a 15% chance of playing 100 NHL games and the average pick at this number becomes a minor league player/under 50 NHL games.

Cullen’s list is here, and you may also enjoy ‘Harvest Moon‘ written in the moments after the draft. In that post, I quote Stu MacGregor and his reasoning behind taking Mitch Moroz, and in my opinion he reveals the flaws in drafting for need at any time in the first three rounds of the draft.

  • MacGregor: “You always have to step up if there was a player you like. We liked him, we followed him and his developmental curve is on the way up. He provides some toughness, but not just toughness, he’s a good hockey player. He takes the puck to the net real hard and he shows a little bit of touch around the net. He’s only played one year of junior and I think he’s got an opportunity, with continuous development and drive, to be a good player for us.”

When we talk about draft and development, I have a very difficult time marrying that paragraph to the time-on-ice given Moroz this season in Oklahoma City. If he can’t play at the AHL level, then send him to the ECHL so he can play a lot and gain confidence. Among the things the forensics has been looking at this spring, I’m hopeful this silly practice gets put to an end with righteous fury. The scouts draft them, but you have to play these kids.

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112 Responses to "REVIEWING THE 2012 DRAFT"

  1. Ice Sage says:

    Zibanejad, Stone and Lazar are better now and will always be better than Nuge, Eberle and Hall

    (pre-emptive DSF strike)

    Enjoy some good ol’ one-anthem playoff hockey, Lowetiders!

  2. frjohnk says:

    Just wondering if we lost Gustafssons rights because he was not signed within two years of being drafted, wouldn’t we lose Slepyshevs rights as well come summer?

  3. Numenius says:

    Man, Yak looks young in that picture.

  4. stush18 says:

    frjohnk:
    Just wondering if we lost Gustafssons rights because he was not signed within two years of being drafted, wouldn’t we lose Slepyshevs rights as well come summer?

    I think the new cba changed that did it not? Could be wrong.

  5. stush18 says:

    Numenius:
    Man, Yak looks young in that picture.

    And not exactly thrilled to be taken by the oilers. Lol

  6. admiralmark says:

    Khaira is one of the prospects that the draft +4-5 yrs is going to be important. Stick with him and develop him properly. There is definitely a 3rd line Center lying underneath there somewhere. I think he just needs the patience of the Detroit Red Wings here.

  7. godot10 says:

    Bipolar oilogosphere. We say….Detroit model, Detroit model, Detroit model. And if a draft choice struggles early….BUST, BUST, BUST.

    Vandevelde and McDonald are NHL players, and both may make well over 200 games.

    OKC was stacked early at forward, and wasn’t their some statement of undiagnosed mono with respect to Moroz.

    We have to remember that this was a really weak draft, with a record number of overagers drafted.

  8. Lowetide says:

    godot10:
    Bipolar oilogosphere.We say….Detroit model, Detroit model, Detroit model.And if a draft choice struggles early….BUST, BUST, BUST.

    Vandevelde and McDonald are NHL players, and both may make well over 200 games.

    OKC was stacked early at forward, and wasn’t their some statement of undiagnosed mono with respect to Moroz.

    We have to remember that this was a really weak draft, with a record number of overagers drafted.

    Agreed. I still think you send Moroz to the ECHL if he isn’t playing. There’s no good reason at all to waste so much of a development season.

  9. G Money says:

    *** NERD ALERT ***

    For the umpteenth time: the goalies were really really bad.

    Also: Talbot? Yes, please. Jones? No thanks.

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/04/17/oiler-goaltending-its-more-the-goalies-than-the-defense/

  10. rich says:

    Joey Legs with his 1st AHL goal, 1-0 OKC.

    LaLeggia (Miller, Winquist)

  11. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    *** NERD ALERT ***

    For the umpteenth time: the goalies were really really bad.

    Also:Talbot?Yes, please.Jones?No thanks.

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/04/17/oiler-goaltending-its-more-the-goalies-than-the-defense/

    Do we have last years? I’m wondering if Dubnyk showed well here last season? I’m always cautious about sweeping statements about goalies because it seems so damn random.

  12. Dashingsilverfox says:

    godot10:
    Bipolar oilogosphere.We say….Detroit model, Detroit model, Detroit model.And if a draft choice struggles early….BUST, BUST, BUST.

    Vandevelde and McDonald are NHL players, and both may make well over 200 games.

    OKC was stacked early at forward, and wasn’t their some statement of undiagnosed mono with respect to Moroz.

    We have to remember that this was a really weak draft, with a record number of overagers drafted.

    If you follow the Detroit model…you have to follow the whole Detroit model.

    They would never draft a coke machine in any round…never mind at the top of the second round.

    Holland believes he can find bottom 6 forwards anytime he wants them and only drafts forwards with top 6 potential no matter what the round/

    In the 2012 draft, the Wings, picking 17 spots after the Oilers, took Martin Frk who has struggled but in the 4th round they selected Andreas Athanasiou.

    AHL 2014/5

    Moroz – 64GP 5G 3A 8P

    Athanasiou – 53GP 16G 16A 32P

    In their final junior seasons, Moroz scored 63 points…Athanasiou scored 95.

    THAT’S the Detroit model.

  13. Klima's_Bucket says:

    How far are you going to go back with these drafts LT?
    I’d like your thoughts on the drafts from the 80’s.

  14. Lowetide says:

    Dashingsilverfox:

    AHL 2014/5

    Moroz – 64GP 5G 3A 8P

    Athanasiou – 53GP 16G 16A 32P

    THAT’S the Detroit model.

    We don’t have TOI but we DO know Moroz played well in the WHL at 19. Why play him 8 minutes a night? Makes no sense.

    Nice to see Joey Legs score Joey Legs score.

  15. Eastern Oil says:

    Has anyone been able to watch Joey L in the AHL yet, or LT, have you talked to Patricia/Neal/Eric about him?

    I think it’s only been one game, maybe two though, so obviously very early.

  16. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lowetide: We don’t have TOI but we DO know Moroz played well in the WHL at 19. Why play him 8 minutes a night? Makes no sense.

    I don’t think it matters…I’d bet a “Woodguy” that Athanasiou has a better NHL career than Moroz or Khaira who were both selected ahead of him.

  17. G Money says:

    Lowetide: Do we have last years? I’m wondering if Dubnyk showed well here last season? I’m always cautious about sweeping statements about goalies because it seems so damn random.

    Ha, yeah I agree so strongly with that statement that I felt compelled to embed TWO Voodoo warnings. If I get a chance, I’ll run last year. Just heading out to dinner at friends, so will have to wait for my Vampire phase.

  18. G Money says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    I agree with DSF.

    In other news: watch for airborne porcine excretions, and Hades drivers should leave their winter tires on until further notice.

  19. G Money says:

    Bohologo,

    Strongest recommendation before I head ‘er: buy a vacuum record cleaning machine!

  20. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Bohologo: Anyone else think LT is quietly conducting his own forensic audit with these reviews?

    Honest question.

    Just made a return to vinyl records.Picked up hardware and found a copy of Neruda here in DC suburbs, which was a small triumph.

    Anyone else doing this who might have tips on what’s new in a retro pastime? Also, seeking tips on how to recover a decades old album collection from a hostile older sister.

    Call Saul.

  21. Bad Seed says:

    Bohologo,

    As Gmoney may attest to, Rush has been releasing their catalogue from the start. So far they are up to All the World’s a Stage. Pressings are great and great sound. 2112 is especially fantastic – great dynamics.

    If you want to know anything about vinyl, check out the Steve Hoffman forums. More nerds there than you can shake a stick at but lots of knowledge about any pressing you need to know about.

    By the way, you’re just in time for Record Store Day tomorrow, Some good releases including mono Doors Strange Days.

  22. Lowetide says:

    If you’re buying Rush albums, I recommend Fly by Night. I know several Rush fans who don’t like that album but that’s the one I like the most.

  23. Bad Seed says:

    Lowetide,

    Fly by Night is awesome. Love early Rush.

  24. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    If you’re buying Rush albums, I recommend Fly by Night. I know several Rush fans who don’t like that album but that’s the one I like the most.

    Pulled out the turntable and my grandfather’s records when I was choosing what tracks to put in the final Flames RE. He was a big Oscar Peterson fan.

    Also found this and immediately thought of you.

    http://www.amazon.com/How-Play-Baseball-Brown-Album/dp/B006CNVFDK

  25. rich says:

    Miller (Platzer). 2-0 OKC.

    Platzer now with 3 points in 3 games. Nice start to his pro career.

  26. Lowetide says:

    Rex: All of the Oscar Peterson Songbooks are fantastic. Cole Porter, Gershwin, they’re all dynamite.

  27. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide,

    I think this was probably my favourite article to research on music. I had a really tough time narrowing it down so in the end I cheated and found a way to pick them all.

  28. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Ryan Lambert with a scathing review of what’s going on in Boston.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/bruins-fire-chiarelli-to-bring-in-another–more-pliable-chiarelli–trending-topics-194126741.html

    If you substitute Neely for Lowe in this article I think you can be forgiven.

  29. RexLibris says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    Ryan Lambert with a scathing review of what’s going on in Boston.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/bruins-fire-chiarelli-to-bring-in-another–more-pliable-chiarelli–trending-topics-194126741.html

    If you substitute Neely for Lowe in this article I think you can be forgiven.

    Lambert isn’t ever shy about voicing his opinion, and he often has reason to back him up.

    Many of the commenters at FN loathe him for repeatedly saying how unexpected and unsustainable the season has been.

    I can’t say that I always agree with him but he makes a good point and has clear-headed reasoning behind his arguments.

  30. jfry says:

    It’s international record store day tomorrow, and good record stores have limited edition vinyl that they only still on that day. I definitely suggest sloth records tomorrow if you’re in Calgary.

    Also, interesting tidbits in this article about bench management out of Chicago. http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-83323764/

  31. RexLibris says:

    Mtl wins in OT.

  32. SkatinginSand says:

    Lowetide,

    The projected top end for Moroz, even from the Oilers, was always third line winger. You don’t try to draft third and fourth liners with the 32nd pick, they usually end up being the projected high end players that don’t develop as expected or late round picks. If you don’t get them there, they are always available through waivers or as free agents the middle of July.

  33. RexLibris says:

    Anyone know the odds on Montreal v Calgary in the SCF?

    That would be an entertaining series….gohabs…

  34. Lowetide says:

    SkatinginSand:
    Lowetide,

    The projected top endfor Moroz, even from the Oilers, was alwaysthird line winger. You don’t try to draft third and fourth liners with the 32nd pick, they usually end up being the projected high end players that don’t develop as expected or late round picks. If you don’t get them there, they are always availablethrough waivers or as free agents the middle of July.

    Agreed. That’s why I suggested in the post that one of the things that should go via forensics is drafting for need. It’s a loser’s bet.

  35. Lowetide says:

    Musil (Moroz, C. Hamilton) 3-0 OKC. Brossoit having a nice night so far 25 stops.

  36. rich says:

    Musil (Moroz, C. Hamilton). 3-0 OKC

  37. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide: Do we have last years? I’m wondering if Dubnyk showed well here last season? I’m always cautious about sweeping statements about goalies because it seems so damn random.

    I have a bunch of stats about goalies. This is what I have about Dubnyk.

    Low Danger Shots Faced/60
    2013 oilers…..11.71
    13-14 oilers….13.44
    14-15 Yotes….14.43
    14-15 Wild……12.77
    swarm period..12.60

    Medium Danger Shots Faced/60
    2013 oilers…..10.02
    13-14 oilers…..9.06
    14-15 Yotes…..7.21
    14-15 Wild…….7.25
    swarm period…7.98

    High Danger Shots Faced/60
    2013 oilers……9.98
    13-14 oilers…..8.61
    14-15 Yotes…..8.54
    14-15 Wild…….6.45
    swarm period..10.8

    Low Danger Shots Save %
    2013 oilers…..0.956
    13-14 oilers….0.960
    14-15 Yotes….0.979
    14-15 Wild……0.977
    swarm period..0.972

    Medium Danger Shots Save %
    2013 oilers…..0.941
    13-14 oilers….0.896
    14-15 Yotes….0.887
    14-15 Wild……0.947
    swarm period..0.866

    High Danger Shots Save %
    2013 oilers…..0.867
    13-14 oilers….0.808
    14-15 Yotes….0.879
    14-15 Wild……0.856
    swarm period..0.819

    swarm period is Oct 1st to Nov 1st.

    This is all 5 on 5.

    Don’t have time to analyze this. Gotta put 4 kids to bed. From 8 till 9, its gong show in this house, let me tell.

  38. Pajamah says:

    This Calgary/Vancouver series really feels like it is lacking something.

    As an Oiler fan I feel that something is either fire, or bleach, or some sort of epidemic.

  39. wheatnoil says:

    frjohnk:
    Just wondering if we lost Gustafssons rights because he was not signed within two years of being drafted, wouldn’t we lose Slepyshevs rights as well come summer?

    Different situations. Gustafsson was 20 years old at the draft. If you draft a European player at age 20, you only get 2 years. If you draft an 18 or 19 year old, you get 4 years. Slepyshev was 19 when the Oilers drafted him. This is according to the current CBA. I don’t know if the previous CBA (under which Gustafsson was drafted) had different rules.

    From the current CBA…
    8.6(d) Players Drafted from a Club Outside North America
    (i)… if a player drafted at age 18 or 19 is drafted from a club outside North America, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the fourth June 1st following his selection…
    (ii) … if a player drafted at age 20 or older is drafted from a club outside North America, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the second June 1st following his selection…

  40. flyfish1168 says:

    Pajamah:
    This Calgary/Vancouver series really feels like it is lacking something.

    As an Oiler fan I feel that something is either fire, or bleach, or some sort of epidemic.

    Watch Hawks / Preds game. Awesome end to end. Many outstanding plays both end of the ice. Fans are load. 2-1 Preds.

  41. Pajamah says:

    flyfish1168,

    Sold.

  42. RexLibris says:

    Draisaitl with the early goal for Kelowna.

    And 2-0 for Vancouver 10 minutes in.

  43. frjohnk says:

    wheatnoil: Different situations. Gustafsson was 20 years old at the draft. If you draft a European player at age 20, you only get 2 years. If you draft an 18 or 19 year old, you get 4 years. Slepyshev was 19 when the Oilers drafted him. This is according to the current CBA. I don’t know if the previous CBA (under which Gustafsson was drafted) had different rules.

    From the current CBA…
    8.6(d) Players Drafted from a Club Outside North America
    (i)… if a player drafted at age 18 or 19 is drafted from a club outside North America, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the fourth June 1st following his selection…
    (ii) … if a player drafted at age 20 or older is drafted from a club outside North America, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the second June 1st following his selection…

    Thanks.

  44. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox: If you follow the Detroit model…you have to follow the whole Detroit model.

    They would never draft a coke machine in any round…never mind at the top of the second round.

    Holland believes he can find bottom 6 forwards anytime he wants them and only drafts forwards with top 6 potential no matter what the round/

    In the 2012 draft, the Wings, picking 17 spots after the Oilers, took Martin Frk who has struggled but in the 4th round they selected Andreas Athanasiou.

    In their final junior seasons, Moroz scored 63 points…Athanasiou scored 95.

    THAT’S the Detroit model.

    Martin Frk was a better comparison, but an even better one was the following 2nd round pick taken by the Red Wings, 2nd round, 47th overall. In his draft year, for the Belleville Bulls-OHL: 67gp – 13g – 21a – 34pts -9. He was big, though, at 6’4″, 223 lbs.

    Moroz went a comparable 66gp – 16g – 9a – 25pts +5 in his draft year. Moroz was smaller, though, at 6’3, 214lbs.

    I guess Moroz won’t be the centerpiece of a deal for Luongo. Too bad, I love his twitter feed.

  45. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lowetide: Agreed. That’s why I suggested in the post that one of the things that should go via forensics is drafting for need. It’s a loser’s bet.

    So, going back 10 years ago…

    Detroit has drafted AFTER the Oilers:

    2005: Abdlekader, Kindl

    2006: Emmerton, Matthias

    2007: Smith, Andersson

    2008: Nyqvist

    2009: Tatar, Nestrasil

    2010: Sheahan, Jarnkrok, Pulikinen

    2011: Jurco, Ouelette

    That’s obscene.

  46. Lowetide says:

    DSF: One of the things I’m hopeful the forensics gives Edmonton is a better idea about draft value. It’s interesting this time, because the picks (lottery, Pens, 2nd rder) line up so that (traditionally) EDM would walk away with a skill forward, a big, tough defenseman and (maybe) a two-way guy or goalie.

    So, in this draft, if the come out with Hanifin, Crouse and Blackwood then we’re basically running in place. BUT if they draft Hanifin, Beauvillier and Debrusk? That would show some progress imo.

  47. Dashingsilverfox says:

    speeds:
    Roy had a 3 pt night, was +3 and 2nd star, and no mention from LT?That’s unusual!

    btw, don’t look at Barbashev’s scoreline for the night, LT!

    *edit* LOL, that was from last night, my mistake!!!

    4G and 2A are remarkable any night.

  48. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    In total, over those years, here are the players that Vancouver drafted:

    2005: Luc Bourdon, Mason Raymond, Alexandre Vincent, Matt Butcher, Kris Fredheim, Mario Bliznak
    2006: Michael Grabner, Daniel Rahimi, Sergei Shirokov, Juraj Simek, Evan Fuller
    2007: Patrick White, Taylor Ellington, Charles-Antoine Messier, Ilja Kablukov, Taylor Matson, Dan Gendur
    2008: Cody Hodgson, Yann Sauve, Prab Rai, Mats Froshaug, Morgan Clark
    2009: Jordan Schroeder, Anton Rodin, Kevin Connauton, Jeremy Price, Peter Andersson, Joe Cannata, Steven Anthony
    2010: Patrick McNally, Adam Polasek, Alex Friesen, Jonathan Iilahti, Sawyer Hannay
    2011: Nicklas Jensen, David Honzik, Alexandre Grenier, Joseph Labate, Ludwig Blomstrand, Frank Corrado, Pathrik Westerholm, and Henrik Tommernes

    That is all of the talent that Vancouver was able to pull out of the draft over all of those years.

    I get that Vancouver has the worst drafting and/or development over that time, but it’s not fair to compare them to one of the best over that period.

    I get that it’s not fair to compare them to even Edmonton – it’s a batch of historically poor drafting and development. That said, it’s even more obscene.

  49. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lowetide:
    DSF: One of the things I’m hopeful the forensics gives Edmonton is a better idea about draft value. It’s interesting this time, because the picks (lottery, Pens, 2nd rder) line up so that (traditionally) EDM would walk away with a skill forward, a big, tough defenseman and (maybe) a two-way guy or goalie.

    So, in this draft, if the come out with Hanifin, Crouse and Blackwood then we’re basically running in place. BUT if they draft Hanifin, Beauvillier and Debrusk? That would show some progress imo.

    Drafting a 2 way guy or goalie with any of those picks would be a mistake.

    Skill, more skill and then more skill in those spots.

    It’s what works.

    Calgary drafted Jon Gillies (75th overall) in 2012. (signed him yesterday after he won the the NCAA championship)

    That’s about where you start drafting for need.

  50. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    In total, over those years, here are the players that Vancouver drafted:

    2005: Luc Bourdon, Mason Raymond, Alexandre Vincent, Matt Butcher, Kris Fredheim, Mario Bliznak
    2006: Michael Grabner, Daniel Rahimi, Sergei Shirokov, Juraj Simek, Evan Fuller
    2007:Patrick White, Taylor Ellington, Charles-Antoine Messier, Ilja Kablukov, Taylor Matson, Dan Gendur
    2008: Cody Hodgson, Yann Sauve, Prab Rai, Mats Froshaug, Morgan Clark
    2009: Jordan Schroeder, Anton Rodin, Kevin Connauton, Jeremy Price, Peter Andersson, Joe Cannata,Steven Anthony
    2010: Patrick McNally, Adam Polasek, Alex Friesen, Jonathan Iilahti, Sawyer Hannay
    2011: Nicklas Jensen, David Honzik, Alexandre Grenier, Joseph Labate, Ludwig Blomstrand, Frank Corrado, Pathrik Westerholm, and Henrik Tommernes

    That is all of the talent that Vancouver was able to pull out of the draft over all of those years.

    I get that Vancouver has the worst drafting and/or development over that time, but it’s not fair to compare them to one of the best over that period.

    I get that it’s not fair to compare them to even Edmonton – it’s a batch of historically poor drafting and development. That said, it’s even more obscene.

    Vancouver’s drafting has been horrendous historically.

    But draft guru Jim Benning is now on the job.

  51. Lowetide says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Drafting a 2 way guy or goalie with any of those picks would be a mistake.

    Skill, more skill and then more skill in those spots.

    It’s what works.

    Calgary drafted Jon Gillies (75th overall) in 2012. (signed him yesterday after he won the the NCAA championship)

    That’s about where you start drafting for need.

    Agreed again. Calgary didn’t need to draft Mason McDonald a year ago in the second round.

  52. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Vancouver’s drafting has been horrendous historically.

    But draft guru Jim Benning is now on the job.

    Jake Virtanen wasn’t drafted by Benning, so we won’t count him. Probably a good thing, as he followed up his draft year of 71gp – 45g – 26a – 71pts with an injury plagued 50gp – 21g- 31a- 52pts.

    So, I can’t recall where, but I’ve heard that it takes 5 years for development. Detroit model, you know…

  53. Lowetide says:

    Leon 1-2-3 tonight.

  54. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow: Jake Virtanen wasn’t drafted by Benning, so we won’t count him. Probably a good thing, as he followed up his draft year of 71gp– 45g – 26a – 71pts with an injury plagued 50gp– 21g- 31a- 52pts.

    So, I can’t recall where, but I’ve heard that it takes 5 years for development. Detroit model, you know…

    Benning’s 1st draft included:

    Viirtanen

    McCann

    Demko

    Tryamkin

    I’d wager all of them have a shot at an NHL career.

    In the previous season, the Canucks drafted:

    Horvat

    Shinkaruk

    Cassels

    Subban

    I’d wager all of them have a shot at an NHL career.

    Even if half of them make it…they’ll be ahead of the Oilers.

  55. rickithebear says:

    DSF:
    Looking at years between seasons with a series wins.
    We are edmontons worst! 9 seasons.
    Calgary is curently 9 seasons after the lockout! With a chance for 10 in a row.
    But that is not the worst for calgary!
    14 seasons before the 03-04 cup run.
    Turns out the most seasons with only 1 seasons playoff success is
    NYI 26 years.
    Calgary 24 years.
    Calgary has achance to equal NYI as the most pathetic org for a quarter century.
    Go Canucks!

  56. linkfromhyrule says:

    Anybody else watching NSH-CHI? Wow. NSH is playing without Weber and hanging on to a 3-2 lead. It makes me happy seeing the Nashville arena so full of fans. It’s great for that franchise, and honestly, they have one of the best run franchises in the NHL imo. Best bang for buck.

    I hope Nashville goes far this year, Chicago has had enough! Losing Weber could be huge though.

  57. Dashingsilverfox says:

    rickithebear:
    DSF:
    Looking at years between seasons with a series wins.
    We are edmontons worst! 9 seasons.
    Calgary is curently 9 seasons after the lockout! With a chance for 10 in a row.
    But that is not the worst for calgary!
    14 seasons before the 03-04 cup run.
    Turns out the most seasons with only 1 seasons playoff success is
    NYI 26 years.
    Calgary 24 years.
    Calgary has achance toequal NYI as the most pathetic org for a quarter century.
    Go Canucks!

    What happened 25 years ago doesn’t mean much.

  58. godot10 says:

    Jarret Stoll apparently arrested in Vegas for cocaine and molly possession.

  59. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Oh, yeah, he did draft Viirtanen. My bad.

    I’ve seen Demko play. Yeesh, but hey, who drafts goalies early (or at all)?

    I’d wager that all of them have a shot at winning LottoMax (providing they can get a ticket, hate to qualify it.)

    Hell, I’d bet that more than half make it, if for no other reason that 5 years from now, the Sedins, Burrows, Bieksa, et. al, would be 39.

  60. justDOit says:

    Lowetide:
    If you’re buying Rush albums, I recommend Fly by Night. I know several Rush fans who don’t like that album but that’s the one I like the most.

    2112.

    That is all.

  61. justDOit says:

    godot10:
    Jarret Stoll apparently arrested in LA for cocaine and molly possession.

    Whatever happened to good old pot?

  62. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Just a brilliant play by Bo Horvat.

  63. G Money says:

    Lowetide: Agreed again. Calgary didn’t need to draft Mason McDonald a year ago in the second round.

    Note – must not say anything bad about MM. He’s the nephew of a friend/former roommate in Halifax, and so I have to cheer for him even though he’s a *spits* Flames pick.

  64. Pouzar says:

    Elliotte Friedman retweeted
    Calgary Flames ‏@NHLFlames 2m2 minutes ago
    Sam Bennett is under evaluation and a return tonight is in question.

  65. linkfromhyrule says:

    justDOit: 2112.

    That is all.

    A Farewell to Kings is another fantastic Rush album. That and 2112 are my favorite Rush albums.

  66. G Money says:

    justDOit,

    Precisely. That’s the album that started it all for me…

  67. justDOit says:

    G Money:
    justDOit,

    Precisely.That’s the album that started it all for me…

    And still holds strong today. Amazing, really.

  68. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    Oh, yeah, he did draft Viirtanen. My bad.

    I’ve seen Demko play. Yeesh, but hey, who drafts goalies early (or at all)?

    I’d wager that all of them have a shot at winning LottoMax (providing they can get a ticket, hate to qualify it.)

    Hell, I’d bet that more than half make it, if for no other reason that 5 years from now, the Sedins, Burrows, Bieksa, et. al, would be 39.

    Demko was their 3rd pick in 2014,,,after Virtanen and McCann.

    They had already drafted TWO potential top 6 forwards.

    5 years from now Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle will be on the downside of their careers,

    What’s your point?

  69. Klima's_Bucket says:

    godot10:
    Jarret Stoll apparently arrested in Vegas for cocaine and molly possession.

    Unfortunately what started as fun and games with Torres in 2006 turned into an arrest in 2015 in Vegas.

  70. Pouzar says:

    Dashingsilverfox:

    5 years from now Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle will be on the downside of their careers,

    What’s your point?

    And there it is. LOL

  71. rickithebear says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Benning’s 1st draft included:

    Viirtanen

    McCann

    Demko

    Tryamkin

    I’d wager all of them have a shot at an NHL career.

    In the previous season, the Canucks drafted:

    Horvat

    Shinkaruk

    Cassels

    Subban

    I’d wager all of them have a shot at an NHL career.

    Even if half of them make it…they’ll be ahead of the Oilers.

    The criteria to be in the goalie group:
    Shnieder, Bishop, Elliot, Quick,
    The goalies in that range or better at 19 20
    Hellenbucyk Wpg
    Nagel voort Edm
    Gillies
    Demko

    Next?

  72. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar:
    Elliotte Friedman retweetedCalgary Flames ‏@NHLFlames2m2 minutes ago
    Sam Bennett is under evaluation and a return tonight is in question.

    I guessing its his shoulder
    He went to hit someone and the guy braced himself and it was like a kid running into a post. They showed the replay
    and Bennett was not expecting that and it looked as it something was wrong with him.

  73. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: I guessing its his shoulder
    He went to hit someone and it was like a kid running into a post. They showed the replay
    and Bennett was not expecting that and it looked as it something was wrong with him.

    He is back now.

  74. Gordies Elbow says:

    Pouzar: Hall and Jordan Eberle will be on the downside of their careers,
    What’s your point?

    LOL

    🙂

  75. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow: LOL

    Forwards peak in their 24-25 year old seasons…downhill from there.

    LOL.

  76. Don't Bishai says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Forwards peak in their 24-25 year old seasons…downhill from there.

    LOL.

    LOL. Guess it’s all downhill from here for Jamie Benn, Andrew Ladd and Bryan Little.

  77. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Don’t Bishai: LOL. Guess it’s all downhill from here for Jamie Benn, Andrew Ladd and Bryan Little.

    Probably.

    Thing is they will be regressing from a very high level.

    Do you know how many times Taylor Hall has scored 30 goals in a season?

    Never.

  78. Don't Bishai says:

    i, rl ‏@twolinepass 2h2 hours ago

    man the kings really ARE good at possession
    358 retweets 380 favorites

  79. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Agreed again. Calgary didn’t need to draft Mason McDonald a year ago in the second round.

    Nor Hunter Smith, while we’re on the topic of coke machines: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=117017

    Drafted as an overage, his draft +1 year, and weighing in at 6’6″, 207 lbs playing in major junior, he managed an eye-popping 49 pts in 57 gp. The 122 PIMs is noteworthy though. Good value on that pick.

    The recently-signed Christian Dvorak went four spots later to the Coyotes and managed 109 pts in 66 gp in the same league as Smith.

    The short answer is redrafting is a fool’s game. The long answer is that skill is hard to come by and when you see it, you take it.

    Good night for Draisaitl. Even better for Morrissey, 2-3-5. Think I’m going to hate these Jets.

  80. Don't Bishai says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Maybe Taylor will peak at 31 like Hudler, while we’re bringing up unrelated topics.

  81. RexLibris says:

    Interesting. I don’t have TOI, but the Royals got hammered tonight 7-3 and Chase still came out +1 with an assist.

    Not bad.

  82. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Don’t Bishai:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    Maybe Taylor will peak at 31 like Hudler, while we’re bringing up unrelated topics.

    Maybe…want to bet?

  83. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    I’m not sure that you get what LOL means.

    It’s short for “Laugh out loud,” which is appropriate for my comments.

    I don’t get how your comment would lead to “Laugh out loud.” – but hey, most of us are not your age. In the interests of not being accused of age-ism, can you explain what you were thinking when you posted “LOL”? We won’t hold it against you, at your age, of trying to fit in by posting it. It just seems weird.

    That said, if you are right, the Canucks are truly screwed, as they haven’t drafted forwards to replace the 34? year old Sedins/Burrows.Or defensemen, from what I can see from their picks. They likely have a Sbisa in there, though, so who knows? Ouch. Oiler fans can’t point to many things, but even with the Canucks in the playoffs and Edmonton in the Connor McDavid sweepstakes, I can’t help but think that Edmonton’s still closer to it’s next cup that Vancouver is to it’s first.

  84. Dashingsilverfox says:

    RexLibris: Nor Hunter Smith, while we’re on the topic of coke machines: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=117017

    Drafted as an overage, his draft +1 year, and weighing in at 6’6″, 207 lbs playing in major junior, he managed an eye-popping 49 pts in 57 gp. The 122 PIMs is noteworthy though. Good value on that pick.

    The recently-signed Christian Dvorak went four spots later to the Coyotes and managed 109 pts in 66 gp in the same league as Smith.

    The short answer is redrafting is a fool’s game. The long answer is that skill is hard to come by and when you see it, you take it.

    Good night for Draisaitl. Even better for Morrissey, 2-3-5. Think I’m going to hate these Jets.

    Hunter Smith was a draft pick I was touting for more than a year.

    Much more than a coke machine.

  85. Don't Bishai says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Maybe…want to bet?

    When Hall is 31 years old, I’m not going to steal from a septuagenarian. I’ve got morals.

    On a totally unrelated note… even MacT can’t be thinking of acquiring Crawford now, can he? *prays*

  86. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    I’m not sure that you get what LOL means.

    It’s short for “Laugh out loud,” which is appropriate for my comments.

    I don’t get how your comment would lead to “Laugh out loud.”– but hey, most of us are not your age. In the interests of not being accused of age-ism, can you explain what you were thinking when you posted “LOL”? We won’t hold it against you, at your age, of trying to fit in by posting it. It just seems weird.

    That said, if you are right, the Canucks are truly screwed, as they haven’t drafted forwards to replace the 34? year old Sedins/Burrows.Or defensemen, from what I can see from their picks. They likely have a Sbisa in there, though, so who knows? Ouch. Oiler fans can’t point to many things, but even with the Canucks in the playoffs and Edmonton in the Connor McDavid sweepstakes, I can’t help but think that Edmonton’s still closer to it’s next cup that Vancouver is to it’s first.

    Good grief.

    Do you really think the Canucks are unaware they need to replace the Sedins when their contracts expire?

    That would be an epically stupid assumption.

    Thing is, when they do retire, the Canucks will have almost $20 million in cap space to replace them.

    I have no idea how successful they will be at that task but neither do you.

    Suggesting they will just sit on their hands and say WTF? is naive and just hoping they aren’t smarter than Kevin Lowe.

    I’d take odds on that.

  87. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Don’t Bishai: When Hall is 31 years old, I’m not going to steal from a septuagenarian. I’ve got morals.

    On a totally unrelated note… even MacT can’t be thinking of acquiring Crawford now, can he? *prays*

    Crawford would be a huge improvement.

  88. frjohnk says:

    Taylor Hall has 1 season with 80 points or more.
    So does Jamie Benn.
    Andrew Ladd has 1 season over 60 points. (62).

    So ranking the talent it’s close between Hall and Benn but it would go
    Jamie Benn
    Taylor Hall

    Andrew Ladd

  89. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Good grief.

    Do you really think the Canucks are unaware they need to replace the Sedins when their contracts expire?

    That would be an epically stupid assumption.

    Thing is, when they do retire, the Canucks will have almost $20 million in cap space to replace them.

    I have no idea how successful they will be at that task but neither do you.

    Suggesting they will just sit on their hands and say WTF? is naive and just hoping they aren’t smarter than Kevin Lowe.

    I’d take odds on that.

    Wow, $20 million in cap space. I’m sure that there will be a lineup to play for them (same lineup for Edmonton, due to taxes, location, etc.) Vancouver has been such a great draw, it’s been able to draw Mark Messier, right?

    They haven’t drafted worth a damn, and even compared to a poor team like Edmonton, they have little in the pipeline.

    With their current run, they’re looking at a pick in the late 1st. It’s a deep draft, so they might get a good player out of the first, and maybe a good one in the 3rd.

    I think that replacing the Sedin’s is harder than most would believe. Who on their current roster is ready to replace them?

  90. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow: Wow, $20 million in cap space. I’m sure that there will be a lineup to play for them (same lineup for Edmonton, due to taxes, location, etc.) Vancouver has been such a great draw, it’s been able to draw Mark Messier, right?

    They haven’t drafted worth a damn, and compared to a poor team like Edmonton, they have little in the pipeline.

    With their current run, they’re looking at a pick in the late 1st. It’s a deep draft, so they might get a good player out of the first, and maybe a good one in the 3rd.

    I think that replacing the Sedin’s is harder than most would believe. Who on their current roster is ready to replace them?

    Vancouver has never had a problem attracting free agents.

  91. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Vancouver has never had a problem attracting free agents.

    Yep. Messier was the best one.

  92. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Vancouver has never won a Stanley Cup.

    Maybe the free agents, like Messier, have been the problem.

    Older players, like the Sedins, seem OK.

    Fix it via the draft?

  93. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Hamhuis, Tanev, Vrbata, Burrows and Dorsett say hi.

  94. Don't Bishai says:

    Didn’t get a chance to watch the game tonight. Did Engelland actually get THREE game misconducts, or is NHL.com acting up? If so, what did he do to warrant that?

    Also noticed that Calgary’s top line was a combined -7 on the night. 😉

  95. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Don’t Bishai:
    Didn’t get a chance to watch the game tonight. Did Engelland actually get THREE game misconducts, or is NHL.com acting up? If so, what did he do to warrant that?

    Also noticed that Calgary’s top line was a combined -7 on the night.

    Engelland was fairly assessed those penalties.

    Vancouver dominated from beginning to end.

  96. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    Hamhuis, Tanev, Vrbata, Burrows andDorsett say hi.

    Given their cap hits, and what looks to be a $68.2 million dollar cap (per Donald Fehr, NHLPA,) is that a good thing?

    ” For Benning, it was enough to sign Dorsett for four more years with an AAV of $2.65, and Sbisa to a three-year deal with an AAV of $3.6 million.”

    Isn’t Edmonton the only team overpaying free agents? Or does Benning think that $2.65m x 4years is the right price for Dorsett. (and that Sbisa has any value?)

  97. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Gordies Elbow: Given their cap hits, and what looks to be a $68.2 million dollar cap (per Donald Fehr, NHLPA,) is that a good thing?

    ” For Benning, it was enough to sign Dorsett for four more years with an AAV of $2.65, and Sbisa to a three-year deal with an AAV of $3.6 million.”

    Isn’t Edmonton the only team overpaying free agents? Or does Benning think that $2.65m x 4years is the right price for Dorsett. (and that Sbisa has any value?)

    You might want to check what Lowe is paying Nikitin, Ference, Purcell, Hendricks and Schultz before even asking that question.

  98. justDOit says:

    godot10:
    Jarret Stoll apparently arrested in Vegas for cocaine and molly possession.

    They roll four lines, even in the off-season!

  99. Gordies Elbow says:

    Dashingsilverfox: You might want to check what Lowe is paying Nikitin, Ference, Purcell, Hendricks and Schultz before even asking that question.

    Don’t care, we’re not talking about the Oiler’s, but the Canucks, and they’re problems.

    Edmonton’s not going to win the cup anytime soon, and the locals get that.

    My posts are about Vancouver continuing their cup drought, and how they’re horrific drafting impacted it.

    They won tonight, but their team is a mess, and from an Oiler’s fan, that says something.

  100. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Living in the lower mainland, I love wearing my Messier jersey. I enjoy letting people know he is my all time favorite Canuck.

    Never get the hate, and nothing but Oiler fans comment.

    Funny thing is this year the Canuck fans didn’t come out of the Starbucks until playoffs were confirmed.

  101. Gordies Elbow says:

    justDOit: They roll four lines, even in the off-season!

    🙂

    That said, reddit had: “Kareem Abdul-Jabbar recovering from quadruple coronary bypass surgery. I think he’s the greatest, but my dad says he doesn’t work hard enough on defense.”

    I picked the wrong day to stop….

  102. stush18 says:

    Oh dsf. If it werent for you getting off on making people chase you around this blog, i dont think we would ever have any interesting conversations about anything other than fancy stats.

  103. Marc says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    Ryan Lambert with a scathing review of what’s going on in Boston.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/bruins-fire-chiarelli-to-bring-in-another–more-pliable-chiarelli–trending-topics-194126741.html

    If you substitute Neely for Lowe in this article I think you can be forgiven.

    The money quote is in the Boston Globe piece linked to in that article:

    “Neely said he’s not a micromanager. He has no intention of negotiating contracts, adjusting draft boards, or conducting viewings on 15-year-olds in the USHL.

    He’ll leave the heavy lifting to his GM. Neely likes his title of president. It comes with perks. Right after a game at the Garden, Neely exits the elevator on the third floor, walks to his SUV, and drives away. The GM cannot leave the rink so quickly.

    As president, Neely will instruct his GM to build a roster according to his vision. The GM will then execute the trade calls or draft picks to acquire the players Neely prefers.

    “Get this guy,” Neely will say, or, “I don’t like that guy. Move him.””

    I wish there were a way to short sell hockey organisations…

  104. PhrankLee says:

    DSF:

    Forwards peak at 24-25.

    Show us how all forwards peak at this age. That’s an awful short window for success.

    You left no room for…”with notable exceptions” and there are plenty. I think you might mean peak in strength, testosterone, speed, muscle recovery, flexibility etc.

    And shove your wagers in your cobwebbed shorts.

    Trite and over-spoken. Like a precocious child, sometimes.

    I read this blog and it’s no wonder that people dislike you here.

    You have good points in daylight hours. Later on you seem to get bitter and self-serving.

    The more you talk the more you condescend to this community. It may have to do with being alone with your prize from WG. Like Jekyll and Hyde. I’m taking a break from this blog because it used to offer some very nice community, kindred conversations.

    Now that it’s the DSF show this place reeks of egoism, thinly veiled ad homonym, and empty Ensure cans.

    I’d like to know how this is an essential service rather than a seemingly deliberate erosion of a fan community.

  105. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I didn’t like the Hunter Smith pick. Overager (just barely, though), well below a PPG level, no previous track record of offence.

    However, I think we need to contextualize these kinds of lightning rod picks as:

    “reasonable given status quo thinking”
    That is, the mainline community of hockey’s view on the player… does the pick jive with this POV?

    “unreasonable based on metrics”
    That is, what’s the POV of those outside the mainline community of hockey, when looking at trends and stats and scouting reports?

    The point being… Hunter Smith wasn’t completely off the radar where he was taken. he just wasn’t a stellar pick at that spot if you rely on available metrics.

    From Brock Otten:

    http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2014/05/sunday-top-10-2014-nhl-draft-re-entries.html

    “1. Hunter Smith – Forward – Oshawa Generals
    Easily the top re-entry from the OHL this year, as Smith is the only player I see with a great shot at going inside the top 3 rounds. Smith was a non factor a year ago, and was perhaps even a candidate to lose his spot on Oshawa’s roster going into this season. Instead, he does a complete 180 and ends up on a scoring line and the powerplay unit. His ability to disrupt goaltenders on the powerplay can be likened to the way the Bruins use Zdeno Chara with the man advantage in the NHL. He’s so big and strong that OHL defenseman had a really tough time tying him up. And his hands are actually quite good, at least good enough to allow him to finish off plays in close or redirect shots. He’s also a very physical player who can change the momentum of the game with a big hit on the forecheck, or with a fight. As the season went on, his ability to play in transition improved too and he shows flashes of being able to be a solid puck possession guy. There’s too much to like for NHL scouts to pass him up again, especially after his terrific playoff performance. I think he’s a 2nd rounder at this point. “

  106. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Two things can be true….

    forwards can peak (generally) in their mid-20s.

    impact forwards (barring injury) have sustain

  107. frjohnk says:

    Gordies Elbow: Given their cap hits, and what looks to be a $68.2 million dollar cap (per Donald Fehr, NHLPA,) is that a good thing?

    ” For Benning, it was enough to sign Dorsett for four more years with an AAV of $2.65, and Sbisa to a three-year deal with an AAV of $3.6 million.”

    Isn’t Edmonton the only team overpaying free agents? Or does Benning think that $2.65m x 4years is the right price for Dorsett. (and that Sbisa has any value?)

    Vancouver has some bad contracts.

    Burrows at 4.5M, has the same production as Purcell. But is for 2 more years.

    Dorsett, next year at 2.65M, is too much

    Sbisa, at 3.6M is too much.

    Roberto Loungo at 0.8M per for the next 7 years, is too much.

    They don’t have much for value deals and a lot of NMC contracts.

    So with a salary cap payroll of 66.6M for 18 guys next year, they are pretty close to a cap hell team.

  108. season not played says:

    Dashingsilverfox: So, going back 10 years ago…

    Detroit has drafted AFTER the Oilers:

    2005: Abdlekader, Kindl

    2006: Emmerton, Matthias

    2007: Smith, Andersson

    2008: Nyqvist

    2009: Tatar, Nestrasil

    2010: Sheahan, Jarnkrok, Pulikinen

    2011: Jurco, Ouelette

    That’s obscene.

    Don’t forget 2010 when the Oilers drafted Bunz then 20 picks later the Red Wings took Mrazek.

  109. godot10 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Forwards peak in their 24-25 year old seasons…downhill from there.

    The Sedins didn’t start scoring in a significant way till their 24-25 year old season, and peaked in their 29-30 year old season.

    Ditto Markus Naslund.

  110. jimmers2 says:

    godot10: The Sedins didn’t start scoring in a significant way till their 24-25 year old season, and peaked in their 29-30 year old season.

    Ditto Markus Naslund.

    Bingo! There is a headshot into that argument.

  111. Bank Shot says:

    Dashingsilverfox: If you follow the Detroit model…you have to follow the whole Detroit model.

    They would never draft a coke machine in any round…never mind at the top of the second round.

    Holland believes he can find bottom 6 forwards anytime he wants them and only drafts forwards with top 6 potential no matter what the round/

    In the 2012 draft, the Wings, picking 17 spots after the Oilers, took Martin Frk who has struggled but in the 4th round they selected Andreas Athanasiou.

    AHL 2014/5

    Moroz – 64GP 5G 3A 8P

    Athanasiou – 53GP 16G 16A 32P

    In their final junior seasons, Moroz scored 63 points…Athanasiou scored 95.

    THAT’S the Detroit model.

    What a bunch of bull.

    Andreas Athanasiou had 37 points in 63 games in his draft season. More than Moroz but definitely in the Coke Machine range.

    Detroit has drafted a bunch of guys that could be viewed as Coke Machines.

    Franzen- Drafted at 23 putting up so-so numbers in Swedish elite league.
    Shawn Matthias- 34 points in 67 OHL games in draft year.
    Louis-Marc Aubrey- 33 points in 66 games in the Q draft season.
    Rasmus Bodin- 6 foot 6. Presumably out of hockey? HockeyDB has zero stats for him.
    Riley Sheahan- Drafted after scoring 17 points in 37 NCAA games. Not a high skill guy.
    Julien Cayer- 6’4″. Low scoring numbers. Busted
    Dick Axelsson- Big Swedish Winger that never amounted to anything.
    Joakim Andersson- Big Swede that lacked the scoring of an Anton Lander.

    Detroit picks coke machines as well. They have just had some of them turn out where as the Oilers have had zero turn out.

    The Oilers haven’t had any luck drafted undersized skill guys outside of the first round either. Maybe they should stay away from those as well.

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