PLEASANT VALLEY SUNDAY

For the first time in exactly forever, we can begin speaking about ‘strength up the middle’ in a conversation about the Edmonton Oilers. Baby steps, mind, we can’t talk about ALL of the pivotal positions, but center ice appears to be heading in a very good direction. Note: For the purposes of this conversation, I’m going to proceed as if Edmonton has already procured Connor McDavid, which seems reasonable based on logic, reason, good sense and whatever the hell happened yesterday.

OILERS C DEPTH CHART (WITH MCDAVID) 2015-16

OILERS C DEPTH CHART

The top two names are ridiculous, that’s going to be a grand depth chart in not so very long from now. The other name on the list of note—Leon Draisaitl—may be looking at a position switch in the short term (LW) or a season in Bakersfield with the lottery win. After that, Boyd Gordon plays an important role on the team and Anton Lander emerged as a very useful player in 2015-16. Plus we have a few kids bubbling under, one of whom (Yakimov) is a giant with some ability but that’s for another day.

I’d still like the team to add a center. No, I’m not talking about trading Leon and don’t want the club to send away a draft pick for a veteran, but this team badly needs improved depth up the middle. Here’s a brief list of some free agents who might be available this summer.

FREE-AGENT CENTERS 2015 SUMMER

FREE AGENT CS 2015

I’d like to see Soderberg come here and that’s the truth. I’ve seen him a lot with the Bruins and he’s a solid two-way player who can move to the wing effectively and play a variety of roles. You’ve heard me talk at length about ‘the Pisani’ and in my opinion Soderberg could play up and down the lineup at center or wing.

I’d be thrilled with Sobotka, but he would cost assets. And that brings me to the point of this evening’s post: Do you want to see Edmonton solve their summer issues via free agency if possible? Based on MacT’s success in signing Boyd Gordon and Benoit Pouliot, plus secondary guys like Iiro Pakarinen and Andrew Miller, would you consider signing Soderberg if the price wasn’t too dear?

Failing that, what about other names on this list? Or is it exclusively goal and defense this summer in your opinion?

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  1. Dashingsilverfox says:

    LadiesloveSmid: I’d be ecstatic with Sekera. Use PIT”s pick+ for another D. Use EDM and or MTL’s 2nd on a goalie.

    Sekera is, at best, a second pairing defenseman.

    The Oilers need TWO top pairing D.

    NOW.

  2. Regretzky says:

    Oiler94,

    Saw a bit the other day about his fathers advice to him when drafted #1 overall by the [then awful] Eerie Otters. Something to be optimistic about.

  3. Dashingsilverfox says:

    smellyglove:
    Oilers have three years to win a cup or it’s curtains. LOL, good grief.

    This McDavid fellow is quite a curse, isn’t he?

    Who knows where the cap will be in three years for god’s sake. What a shame, the Oilers have too many high performing players that are demanding top $. In three years, you simple recycle one or more of Drai/Nuge/Ebs/Yak/Nurse/Hall into a younger player on a RFA or hot prospect to save on cap. Between Connor/Nuge/Drai/Hall/Ebs/Yak/Klef/Nurse, you should be able to give up one or more, even if you don’t get full value in the trade, and still remain competitive.

    Do the math.

    What do you think 2 top pairing D, Taylor Hall’s 3rd contract and McDavid’s 2nd contract will cost?

  4. Snowman says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Is there no good flames blog you can comment on?

    Nuge is going to score 50 points next year barring injury or having to play 1RD or goalie. Its silliness to think he’s not. He’s not going to go down to playing 14 minutes a night. Also, he might get second competition. Which while still good competition (as you point out) is not the best competition (which is what he currently plays against). He’s scored 50 points in literally every full season he’s played.

    I forgot though. He’s 22. Way past his prime. Definitely not going to continue to improve. Seriously do you even think about what you post?

  5. wheatnoil says:

    slopitch: ,

    Given that he came on in the 2nd half and should be able to share the hard minutes (don’t forget Gordon), I think he’ll be able to improve next year. Flourish may be the wrong word. 65 PTs and solid 2 way hockey is very valuable.

    I think we need to continue to remind ourselves what these point totals mean. Scoring has come down over the years. 65 points would put him in the top 30 in the NHL this season!

    50 points would be in the top 80 for forwards. With 30 teams and 3 first-liners per team, 50 points is well over even an above-average second line forward (which would be more like 41-47 points or 91-120 among forwards).

    I only bring this up so that we’re not disappointed with point totals next year. Over 50 points makes you a solid first liner… unless you’re on Hrudey’s team.

  6. striatic says:

    There is no short term or long term solution to the Oilers defensive woes other than waiting and hoping that Justin Schultz becomes a Norris caliber 1st pairing right shot D.

    What the Oilers really need is *impossible* to pry away from other teams, and there is no one in the developmental system tracking to fill that role.

    In short, the situation is hopeless, McDavid or not.

  7. Dashingsilverfox says:

    wheatnoil: I think we need to continue to remind ourselves what these point totals mean. Scoring has come down over the years. 65 points would put him in the top 30 in the NHL this season!

    50 points would be in the top 80 for forwards. With 30 teams and 3 first-liners per team, 50 points is well over even an above-average second line forward (which would be more like 41-47 points or 91-120 among forwards).

    I only bring this up so that we’re not disappointed with point totals next year. Over 50 points makes you a solid first liner… unless you’re on Hrudey’s team.

    That’s about right.

  8. smellyglove says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Do the math.

    What do you think 2 top pairing D, Taylor Hall’s 3rd contract and McDavid’s 2nd contract will cost?

    Dashingsilverfox,

    So what should the Oiler’s do? Not draft McDavid because he’ll throw the potential salary structure? That seems to be the thrust of your argument.

    I would think every team in the NHL hopes to be competitive in three year’s time. They probably expect to have four well-performing or star players under contract. How does that change anything for them, now?

    If it’s salary crunch time, you re-evaluate players based on value and you move those who aren’t delivering. It’s a constant battle between performance per cap space and asset management.

  9. Dashingsilverfox says:

    striatic:
    There is no short term or long term solution to the Oilers defensive woes other than waiting and hoping that Justin Schultz becomes a Norris caliber 1st pairing right shot D.

    What the Oilers really need is *impossible* to pry away from other teams, and there is no one in the developmental system tracking to fill that role.

    In short, the situation is hopeless, McDavid or not.

    What would Dean Lombardi do?

  10. G Money says:

    I only watched in parts but … I have no love for the Flames, and you could call it karma for some of Hartley’s disgusting tactics in the past, but the Canucks’ behaviour in that game was absolutely sickening.

  11. Dashingsilverfox says:

    smellyglove: Dashingsilverfox,

    So what should the Oiler’s do? Not draft McDavid because he’ll throw the potential salary structure? That seems to be the thrust of your argument.

    I would think every team in the NHL hopes to be competitive in three year’s time. They probably expect to have four well-performing or star players under contract. How does that change anything for them, now?

    If it’s salary crunch time, you re-evaluate players based on value and you move those who aren’t delivering. It’s a constant battle between performance per cap space and asset management.

    Yes it is but you have to be pro-active.

    Anyone with a pulse can tell you the Oilers need TWO top pairing D.

    How do you get them?

    You have to trade a high priced winger and you have to do it now.

  12. G Money says:

    Man, are you guys seriously buying into the sewage that DSF is spewing?

    Nuge was leading the NHL in ice time for F early in the season.

    His points took a big jump when his ice time was reduced to something reasonable.

    Last time I checked, games were 60 minutes long.

    Whoever is coaching the team next year is going to continue to roll Nuge out there for 20 minutes a game, and then he’s going to give McDavid as many minutes as he can handle. Which is no doubt going to grow over the course of the season.

    The time is going to come from the third and fourth lines (ALSO to their benefit).

    Let the other team figure out who to play against those two lines. Whoever gets the easy minutes is going to tear the other team a new one.

  13. Dashingsilverfox says:

    G Money:
    I only watched in parts but … I have no love for the Flames, and you could call it karma for some of Hartley’s disgusting tactics in the past, but the Canucks’ behaviour in that game was absolutely sickening.

    Likely you should watch the whole game before making vapid comments.

    Michael Ferland was the villain of the piece (successfully as it turns out)

  14. striatic says:

    Dashingsilverfox: What would Dean Lombardi do?

    Start getting his resume in order.

  15. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    Sam Bennett and Sean Monahan with goals tonight.

    Unsustainable.

    do you think long and hard before you post?

  16. Магия 10 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: I was responding to a comment that Hopkins would flourish next season when I would think that is counter intuitiv

    Don’t ever change. No need to defend your playing along with the local meme about nuge finally reaching 50 and hall a ppg. check your sarc detector Godot.

  17. Dashingsilverfox says:

    striatic: Start getting his resume in order.

    Nah…he’s trade a forward +++ for a #1D.

    The Kings are a prima facia example of a team that paid dealt for top end players and now need to re-tool after winning cups.

    The Blackhawks will be doing it again this offseason.

    If you get to a point where you have to offload great players because you can’t afford them under the cap AND you haven’t won a cup, you’re hooped.

    The Oilers time is now.

  18. G Money says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    You provide more than enough vapidity, sophistry, and captiousness for ten blogs.

    The praise being heaped on Ferland by Flames fans of my acquaintance certainly confirms that he’s playing up to Hartley’s high standards.

    Doesn’t change the sickening nature of the Canucks play (a consistent theme for them, of course).

  19. Dashingsilverfox says:

    LadiesloveSmid: do you think long and hard before you post?

    Yes.

    Sam Bennett was likely the best player in his team’s Stanley Cup playoff game.

    He’s 18 and coming off serious surgery.

    I have all sorts of time for players like that.

    Huge balls.

  20. striatic says:

    Dashingsilverfox: You have to trade a high priced winger and you have to do it now.

    What sort of team trades top pairing D for .. anything really? Let alone a high priced winger.

  21. speeds says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Do the math.

    What do you think 2 top pairing D, Taylor Hall’s 3rd contract and McDavid’s 2nd contract will cost?

    Who can say for sure, but let’s say ~32M (is that on the high side? low side?). That would be a marginal increase of ~15M from the current cost of ~17M for Ference, Nikitin, Hall, and McDavid.

    Certainly no rush to figure that all out this summer, other than perhaps avoiding longer term deals.

  22. Ice Sage says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Yes.

    Sam Bennett was likely the best player in his team’s Stanley Cup playoff game.

    He’s 18 and coming off serious surgery.

    I have all sorts of time for players like that.

    Huge balls.

    So that’s what weighed him down and kept him from completing a pull-up! Thx for the locker room confidential DSF! How about those Canucks?
    pS I watched the game, Brodie was the best player

  23. Dashingsilverfox says:

    striatic: What sort of team trades top pairing D for .. anything really? Let alone a high priced winger.

    A team in cap trouble or a team that needs a marketable player. But you have to be willing to step up to the plate and make an offer that will work.

    I’ve suggested Hall, Pittsburgh’s 1st and Marincin for OEL.

    I would also make the same offer to Boston for Dougie Hamilton but with Hall’s cap hit you would probably have to take back another contract.

    How about Hall, Pittsburgh’s 1st, Marincin and Draisaitl for Hamilton and Lucic.?

    I would do either deal in a heartbeat.

  24. boopronger says:

    Bennett is easily the most over rated prospect to come around in a long time. Bust

  25. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Ice Sage: So that’s what weighed him down and kept him from completing a pull-up!Thx for the locker room confidential DSF!How about those Canucks?
    pS I watched the game, Brodie was the best player

    Jeebus…the kid had a dislocated shoulder that needed surgery.

    Brodie was very good.

    Never count out those fuckers…the biggest hearts in the NHL.

  26. smellyglove says:

    Dashingsilverfox: are a prima facia example of a team that paid dealt for top end players and now need to re-tool after winning cups.

    The Blackhawks will be doing it again this offseason.

    If you get to a point where you have to offload great players because you can’t afford them under the cap AND you hav

    Dashingsilverfox,

    You realize that in a 30-team league, only one team wins the Stanley Cup in a given year?

    It takes a lot of luck to win the cup, as well as a lot of intangibles, in addition to good GMing and coaching. Oh–and it’s all gotta line up at the same time.

    At this point: fuck the cup. I just want to see some good playoff games. The rest is dice.

    I’m not quite sure what you are arguing. Should we stop being Oilers fans? Should the Oilers not draft McDavid? What realistic moves do you think should be taken between now and the start of the season? Only when you answer these questions in concrete terms will I listen or begin to respect you.

  27. striatic says:

    Dashingsilverfox: I would do either deal in a heartbeat.

    I’d do the first deal but not the second.

    Either way, problem is that Arizona wouldn’t, and Boston wouldn’t.

    Arizona would be further ruining their chances at any near future playoff revenue, Hall’s diminished name recognition isn’t worth that.

    Boston would be throwing away whatever is left of Chara’s years there with no legitimate followup on D on a team that has historically cherished D.

    Can’t see either deal happening.

  28. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Look up….look way up….

  29. Магия 10 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Hall’s cap hit

    Thanks for calling in today…. Let’s see if there’s a better grade of a hole on line 3.

  30. Dashingsilverfox says:

    boopronger:
    Bennett is easily the most over rated prospect to come around in a long time. Bust

    Tiny sample size but 3P in 3GP.

    That’s a 82 point pace.

    Easily the most over rated?

  31. Dashingsilverfox says:

    striatic: I’d do the first deal but not the second.

    Either way, problem is that Arizona wouldn’t, and Boston wouldn’t.

    Arizona would be further ruining their chances at any near future playoff revenue, Hall’s diminished name recognition isn’t worth that.

    Boston would be throwing away whatever is left of Chara’s years there with no legitimate followup on D on a team that has historically cherished D.

    Can’t see either deal happening.

    Any ideas?

    The Oilers are the worst defensive team in the league and McDavid won’t change that.

  32. G Money says:

    This is the first time I’m hearing the MacT interview on the 1st overall and McDavid.

    Jeebuz it’s hard to listen to this.

  33. striatic says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Any ideas?

    No.

    That’s my point.

    There is no solution other than draft and develop, but that solution is too slow at this point.

    A decade ago you could trade for a Pronger or a Chara but teams aren’t that stupid now. It is a learned lesson league wide.

  34. striatic says:

    The only thing I can think of, is an offer sheet.

    Maybe.

  35. boopronger says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Sam “snow pants” Bennett barely scored 2 ppg in his draft year. Can’t do pull ups. Never gonna make it

  36. Younger Oil says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Tiny sample size but 3P in 3GP.

    That’s a 82 point pace.

    Easily the most over rated?

    Might want to check again, it’s 3P in 4GP! He is a fine prospect, I think anyone can see that if they are being unbiased.

    Just wondering, if he plays 9 playoff games will it take a year off of his ELC? Not sure how it works in the playoffs, I’m assuming it will slide no matter what.

  37. boopronger says:

    At this point I might give a second rounder for injury prone Bennett. Maybe

  38. Dashingsilverfox says:

    striatic: No.

    That’s my point.

    There is no solution other than draft and develop, but that solution is too slow at this point.

    A decade ago you could trade for a Pronger or a Chara but teams aren’t that stupid now. It is a learned lesson league wide.

    Then it comes down to luck or finding another GM who is asleep at the wheel.

    If you take a look at the best 30 defensemen in the league, fewer than half were drafted in the 1st round by the team they are currently playing for.

    Drafting and developing sounds great but it has less than 50% chance of success.

  39. striatic says:

    Maybe now is the time to offer sheet some young, blossoming defenceman.

    The rest of the league already hates us.

    How much are future draft picks really going to help this timetable?

    We stole McDavid, why not a right shooting 1D?

  40. Dashingsilverfox says:

    boopronger:
    At this point I might give a second rounder for injury proneBennett. Maybe

    I’m sure Calgary would be all over that!.

    Maybe they would take former 1st overall pick Nail Yakupov for Bennett AND Monahan.

    Or maybe not.

  41. FPB94 says:

    Right now looking back on that draft I’m just laughing so hard at how Vancouver blew their pick. Incredible.

    You could have drafted a kid who popped a 100 points in the Q but you went with Virtanen. Lmaoooo.

  42. boopronger says:

    Bennett just too weak, not gonna make it in the tough western conference.

  43. FPB94 says:

    boopronger:
    Bennett just too weak, not gonna make it in the tough western conference.

    I hope that’s sarcastic because MTL-OTT series is making CGY-VAN look like a bunch of pussies.

  44. striatic says:

    Dashingsilverfox: If you take a look at the best 30 defensemen in the league, fewer than half were drafted in the 1st round by the team they are currently playing for.

    What list are you using for the “Best 30”?

    If you look at point totals, the top 30 D list is dominated by guys still playing for the team that drafted them.

    Karlsson, Burns, Subban, Josi, Carlson, Letang, Barrie, Markov, Faulk, Giordano, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Weber, Keith, Green, Kronwall, OEL, Hamilton, Brodie, Muzzin, Klingberg, Ekblad and Krug.

    23 of 30

    Burns, Wideman, Streit, Yandle, Byfuglien, Shattenkirk and Johnson are the exceptions.

    Burns and Byfuglien are odd hybrids and traded before teams got wise to this, Shattenkirk was traded so early that he might as well have been a draft and develop.

    The trend really is strong on draft and develop and don’t move under any circumstances.

  45. G Money says:

    Damn! I figured I’d just reserve @OilersNerdAlert. Then I figure I’d just scan for possible interesting accounts to follow. Hour and a half later… sigh.

  46. Dashingsilverfox says:

    G Money:
    Damn!I figured I’d just reserve @OilersNerdAlert.Then I figure I’d just scan for possible interesting accounts to follow.Hour and a half later… sigh.

    #FogHornLegHorn

  47. striatic says:

    BTW I am not saying the point totals list represents the “Best 30 D” in the NHL.

    Just using it as a sample of the top end but the trend seems obvious enough despite the imperfect categorization.

  48. Adam Wu says:

    If Nuge’s production suffers because his ice time is decreased, that means McDavid is killing it and taking some of that ice time away.

    This is a GOOD problem to have.

    If at some point you face a problem with the salary cap because you need to find money to pay for Taylor Hall and Conner McDavid and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov, it means *you actually have all those players on your team* (it also means Yak has gone supernova and is thus commanding a potentially large salary)

    This too is a GOOD problem to have.

    Thanks to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, you will always have problems in life. Having GOOD problems more often than not is the best you can hope for.

    (June 2020, the day after the Oilers win the Stanley Cup:

    DSF: This Cup victory means all the Oilers players are now more expensive to re-sign, which will making winning a SECOND cup impossible, and if the Oilers don’t win TWO CUPS IN A ROW with Conner McDavid, that is a sign of organizational FAILURE….)

  49. G Money says:

    Dashingsilverfox: #FogHornLegHorn

    Not a good fit for you. Try:

    #DeceptionSophistryFallaciousness

  50. 5-14-6-1 says:

    G Money: Not a good fit for you.Try:

    #DeceptionSophistryFallaciousness

    Or this one:

    #checkyourthetanlevels

  51. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Yes.

    Sam Bennett was likely the best player in his team’s Stanley Cup playoff game.

    He’s 18 and coming off serious surgery.

    I have all sorts of time for players like that.

    Huge balls.

    So Draisaitl is Colborne and Bennett is sustainable at 3P in 4GP.

    Good gord, my friend

  52. rickithebear says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Jeebus…the kid had a dislocated shoulder that needed surgery.

    Brodie was very good.

    Never count out those fuckers…the biggest hearts in the NHL.

    Ever heard of a one armed pull up!

    Any athlete can knock off one!

    Unless they are svoboda.

    That is it!

    Crosby’s legs; Svoboda’s shoulders.

    Gilbert Brule.

    Bennetts career to this point
    59gm IR
    3 gms played.

    BANDAID!

    thought back to IR after game 2.

  53. Chris says:

    Actually it’s inaccurate to say that the Oilers were the worst defensive team in the league. As far as shots against go they were moderately bad but not the worst in the league. Indeed my recollection from previous posts was that by shots against the Oilers were only marginally worse than Montreal.

    What the Oilers did have was the worst goaltending in the league by a country mile.

  54. hoser313 says:

    If you can get Roy cheap then do it, otherwise I wouldn’t spend money on centres.

    The defence needs so much help.

  55. Woodguy says:

    striatic: Wasn’t aware of that.

    I really miss Capgeek.

    Here for NTC/NMC : http://www.thefourthperiod.com/no_trade_list.html

    nhlnumbers.com for contract money details.

    I miss capgeek too

  56. GCW_69 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: A team in cap trouble or a team that needs a marketable player. But you have to be willing to step up to the plate and make an offer that will work.

    I’ve suggested Hall, Pittsburgh’s 1st and Marincin for OEL.

    I would also make the same offer to Boston for Dougie Hamilton but with Hall’s cap hit you would probably have to take back another contract.

    How about Hall, Pittsburgh’s 1st, Marincin and Draisaitl for Hamilton and Lucic.?

    I would do either deal in a heartbeat.

    Draisaitl and Pittsburgh’s first to Nashville for Seth Jones

    Draisaitl and Pittsburgh’s first for Larsson and a second.

    Nashville desperately needs a stud centre to play with Forsberg going forward and have ridiculous depth on defence, so they may bite.

    Word out of Jersey is Lou is going to shop a young defender to get a forward. He may be thinking Gelinais or Merrill, but with the right offer might be wiling to consider Larsson, despite Larsson finishing the season on the top pair.

    Alternatively the team could buy out Ference and Nikitin and throw money at Sekera and Franson and go with a defence by committee approach.

  57. GCW_69 says:

    striatic: What the Oilers really need is *impossible* to pry away from other teams, and there is no one in the developmental system tracking to fill that role.

    I don’t think that’s true at all. There are reports in Jersey that Lou is going to shop one of his young defenders for some scoring. He had Severson, Larsson, Merrill, and Gelinais to put in play.

    Make the right offer and he would likely trade any of them. He needs young forwards that can score in the worst possible way and the Oilers have forward talent to burn.

    That’s just one example.

  58. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Cabbiesmacker: You suggested I was smoking something. It is 4/20 or did you forget. Chicago needs to clear cap space. Yes, it may take more than the 1st from Pittsburgh in a very deep draft but the Oilers cannot afford Seabrook both in terms of assets and cost of next contract. Oilers will have some cap issues soon if they don’t be careful.

    They need to trade Ference with money retained, even if they send a pick along with him. And they need to replace Purcell for a lot less money and upgrade Nikitin.

  59. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Yes to Soderberg. I’ve probably made you all sick of hearing about him. except I was doing the math. Suspect he will cost 4m per season. That’s too much right now unless the Oilers do make some buyouts.

    I’d fill G first.
    Then add a Petry replacement.
    Then sign Soderberg
    Then dangle futures to get a solid top 4 dman with a reasonable contract from a cap-strapped team. For example Hjalmarsson or Staal

    Then sign Soderberg

  60. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    And Kmart99

    RE: Crosby 102 point rookie year was 80pct of top scorers in the league. 80pct of 87 is not so much at all (sub-70). That said, I take McDavid surprising to the upside.

    33G-46A: 79pts.

  61. Kmart99 says:

    Goalie. That, as many of you have already said multiple times, has to be the main focus. Defense was bad, offense was bad, goaltending was horrawful.

    With Connor, Nuge, lander, Gordon, Roy(maybe),Draisaitl, Yakimov as your C depth it moves C depth to the bottom of the team’s priority list IMO.

    Since some of those players can be shifted to the wing when needed, I’d reiterate the fact that the wing position isnt in dire need of help either.

    Defense.. Yeah, there’s issues. Nurse is half a season to a full season away, Klefbom is here, Marincin is here(IMO), and Fayne is capable. Justin Schultz is a problem. Simpson, Musil, Davidson, and Oesterle all provide legitimate depth. I question Nurse’s offense as he doesn’t have a bomb from the point, but he projects to likely be a great #2. I’m honestly leaning towards Phaneuf, despite his inability to help TO, and despite his annoying face. I’d also target that pending FA who’s having a great series in MTL. Petry!

    Nurse – Phaneuf
    Klefbom – Petry
    Fayne – Marincin
    Jultz

    Bye Nikitin, Bye Ference. Phaneuf and Nurse would be hell to play against. They are both pricks and have a rep for physical play.

    But goaltending…. My god. I get that Neuvirth, Niemi, and Jones are all good… But none of them scream out at me to be the solution. And this is the BIGGEST area of need. I honestly won’t be all that surprised if any of those three names come to Edmonton and fail.

    For me, the #1G needs to be solved via trade. The FA market is stronger than it’s been in a long time, which is tempting, but there’s no Rinne, Price, Lundqvist, Luongo, Schneider, Rask, Anderson etc… On that list. And I fear that anything less will lead to failure. I’ve heard Talbot’s name tossed around too, but sample size plus EC factor still have me worried. I’m hoping Anderson can somehow shake loose of the three headed monster in Ottawa, but I won’t hold my breath since that would require Ott to make a move as inept as those belonging to MacT and Klowe.

    Anyways….. Long story short, the goaltending solution is going to end up being another gamble, and this time it HAS to pay off.

  62. frjohnk says:

    Kmart99: Anyways….. Long story short, the goaltending solution is going to end up being another gamble, and this time it HAS to pay off.

    This.

    If it does not pay off, then that is when we will see one of the young guns dealt.

    It would be a desparation move.

    Number 1 issue is the goaltending.

    Gotta get it right.

  63. PhrankLee says:

    Kmart99,

    Agree on 1G as top priority. Gmoney is right about d corpse playing much differently with dependable G.

    I reached this conclusion at this time last year.

    I disagreed with LT that Scriv/Fasth were reasonable bets. I am disappointed to have been correct. Poor suckers have endangered their careers just lacing up for us.

    CMDRE 30g 58a 88

  64. russ99 says:

    I like Soderburg too, but I think you’re pushing a center to wing rather than finding the right wing(s).

    Here’s my priority list:

    #1 D with skill and can lockdown in own zone.
    Goalie who can give is a reliable 65+ games and steal us wins on some nights
    True 2-way winger who can score, a tougher version of Pouliot
    Extra center
    Mean SOB defenseman for the third pairing, another Gator.

  65. Southern Oil says:

    It’s 9:15am EST and I haven’t done s*** at work. Still haven’t come down from Sat night. Problem here – no one understands as folks here in Atlanta are more concerned with college football and NASCAR. Thank gord for this corner of the internet.

    As for what to do in the off season – if the dollars are there, I’d pick up a vet center but only after addressing G & D. That has to be the focus.

  66. raventalon40 says:

    hoser313:
    If you can get Roy cheap then do it, otherwise I wouldn’t spend money on centres.

    The defence needs so much help.

    You need at all positions to succeed in the NHL. Last season was a great example of what happens when you have no center depth and injuries happen to your key guys. Sign them all, have them compete for playing time, and then cut the fat in October.

    Don’t forget McDavid plays RW as well.

  67. raventalon40 says:

    PhrankLee:
    Kmart99,

    Agree on 1G as top priority.Gmoney is right about d corpse playing much differently with dependable G.

    I reached this conclusion at this time last year.

    I disagreed with LT that Scriv/Fasth were reasonable bets.I am disappointed to have been correct. Poor suckers have endangered their careers just lacing up for us.

    CMDRE 30g 58a 88

    Scrivens has always been a quality goaltender in limited appearances. But over the long term he’s more of a 1B or very good backup.

    This is the same reason I don’t believe Cam Talbot should be one of our targets. He is not going to be lights out when he has to play a full season as a starter.

  68. Kmart99 says:

    **Connor McDavid RE Contest Reminder**

    For those of you entering the Connor McDavid RE contest. Please post your entries in the comments section of BEAUTIFUL SUNDAY.

    Format needs to be:

    ” CMD97RE: xxg xxa xxxpts ”

    or email your predictions to me at K_Mart_@hotmail.com

    If it’s not in this format and I miss your entry I can’t be blamed. 😉

  69. wheatnoil says:

    G Money:
    Damn!I figured I’d just reserve @OilersNerdAlert.Then I figure I’d just scan for possible interesting accounts to follow.Hour and a half later… sigh.

    You’re welcome!

  70. Kmart99 says:

    PhrankLee:
    Kmart99,

    CMD97RE 30g 58a 88

    Fixed.

  71. Pouzar says:

    CMD97RE: 24g 40a 64

  72. Kmart99 says:

    frjohnk:

    If it does not pay off(goalie gamble), then that is when we will see one of the young guns dealt.

    Let’s assume that MacT fails and the gamble doesn’t pay off.
    Next off season the Oilers will have to trade one of the young guns for a true #1 goalie.

    That goalie will need to be:

    Under the age of 31.
    Proven.(.920+ sv% over a minimum of 200 gp?)
    Part of a team with a replacement on deck.
    Part of a team with cap problems?

    Who fits all those categories? nobody 😉

  73. Pouzar says:

    Kmart99: Let’s assume that MacT fails and the gamble doesn’t pay off.
    Next off season the Oilers will have to trade one of the young guns for a true #1 goalie.

    That goalie will need to be:

    Under the age of 31.
    Proven.(.920+ sv% over a minimum of 200 gp?)
    Part of a team with a replacement on deck.
    Part of a team with cap problems?

    Who fits all those categories? nobody

    This. Nobody. You don’t trade top assets for voodoo.

    Not everyone is going to stink if they wear an Oiler jersey. G and Father John’s work have convinced me more than ever we are snakebitten in the goaltending dept.
    Get a couple guys via free agency and try again.

  74. pts2pndr says:

    striatic
    I have been an Oiler fan before they came into the NHL. I am currently retired and living in tho Okanagan. I have always been an Oiler fan and will always be an Oiler fan.

    Craig McTavish is what anyone would want in a friend as his loyalty is unquestioable! It is his greatest strength and maybe his greatest weakness ( see Eakins ).

    Anyone on this site that believes that there is a quick fix has to realize that there is also great risk with what they propose!

    I believe that at his juncture the Oilers are in a terrific position! If they stay the course and let the young D grow into the job. We have our number 1 and 2 defensemen in Nurse and Klefbom. We need to have the 6 and 7 D positions avlbl for younger AHL D to come up and gain experience as they get ready to move up rather than fill those positions with failed ufa D ie: Ference and Nikitin. If we can trade for a younger D that is 25 or younger that would be fine.

    Todd Nelson has proven that he can win at the AHL level and I believe that he deserves a chance to work with this young team which he is familiar with!

    I think that Anderson would be a good UFA signing fr 2 years as Broissoit gets time in AHL and as a NHL backup. I would also like to see the team pursue Vasilevsky from Tampa. Put Scrivens on waivers and if not claimed send him to Minors to re-establish his game.

    I think this is the best time to be an Oiler fan and as I like to say Catch the Wave!! Go Oiler Go!!

  75. Kaptain Vikarious says:

    CMD97RE: 33G, 44A, 77Pts

    Thanks Kmart99
    🙂

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