MIEUX RESPIRER

This is going to be a memorable day for Oilers fans. In the history of the franchise, dating back to the WHA years, there have been precious few men to hold the title.

OILERS GM’S, 1972 TO PRESENT

  1. Bill Hunter 1972—1976
  2. Bep Guidolin 1976—1977
  3. Brian Conacher 1977—1978
  4. Larry Gordon 1978—1980
  5. Glen Sather 1980—2000
  6. Kevin Lowe 2000—2008
  7. Steve Tambellini 2008—2013
  8. Craig MacTavish 2013—

I mentioned on Wednesday (“Chiarelli as President of Hockey Ops (with a slight chance, say 20%, he is also named GM”) this might happen and in most ways it makes more sense. Chiarelli is younger than MacTavish, so making Chiarelli the mentor has some issues (why pass along information to the older man? Hire the younger) and Chiarelli has relationships with other GMs in the league that could be beneficial in negotiating deals. It seems to me Edmonton’s best option is to use the new hire as the point man.

The only things that could possibly be a worry? Chiarelli’s draft record is not stellar and we don’t know if a process that involved several candidates was involved here. Bottom line: As I mentioned the other day, he would have been on my list of bona fide candidates and that does have merit. We await word on how exhaustive this process was over the last several weeks.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE PROSPECTS?

We’ve talked about this many times, but in a very real way ALL of the prospects currently in the system are orphans. It is human nature for a GM to have an attachment to players he brought into the system, but those ties are cut as of this morning. This does not mean Chiarelli will be trading players for 10 cents on the dollar, but it’s also true the assets available to him this morning haven’t made specific impressions on him.

You may recall several prospects of note were quickly discarded by MacT when he took over (notably Teemu Hartikainen, who had actually been called up in the days after the new GM took over) and that could happen here. I don’t think it’ll be a huge issue, but there’s a chance we’ll see subtle shifts in the organization’s depth chart as the days roll along. We may also see a trade to acquire a Chiarelli favorite from the Bruins, someone like Malcom Subban or Alexander Khokhlachev.

Overall, the top prospects will remain the top prospects. Darnell Nurse, Leon Draisaitl, Laurent Brossoit, the best kids will have extreme value just like they did yesterday. The culling of the RFA herd (we discussed at length) may chime a different song but the differences should be minor. It may also impact the signing of Finnish goalie Eetu Laurikainen, who has apparently signed with an NHL team that might be the Edmonton Oilers.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE NHL PLAYERS?

It could mean a lot. The team is apparently close on a deal with Derek Roy, but Chiarelli would know Carl Soderberg very well. Is that a better fit? Yes it is. Anton Lander emerged in the middle of last season, does he have the same traction with a new GM (and possibly new coach)? It may not be close to the same situation in autumn.

Will they trade Jordan Eberle for Milan Lucic? No. It’s a poor move on the face of it. If they can find a way to include Dougie Hamilton? Sure. I don’t think either happens. Edmonton could help Boston in their efforts to ease cap issues but there is no obvious fit. Boston’s defensemen with high value are old and expensive, and goalie Tuukku Rask isn’t going anywhere.

WHO WILL THE OILERS TARGET?

It’s important to make clear there’s a difference between targeting and securing. The two most important pieces are in goal and a top pairing defender. Could the Oilers acquire Cam Talbot for Nail Yakupov? Would Chicago send Brent Seabrook over in exchange for Martin Marincin and the Penguins’ pick? Would that second-round selection be enough to get Craig Anderson out of Ottawa? Is there a deal that could get Marc-Edouard Vlasic out of San Jose?

WHAT ABOUT THE DRAFT?

No. 1 overall is probably decided and there’s not a hockey man alive in a position of authority who would trade it. The Pittsburgh pick has high value, and if Timo Meier remains available (I don’t think that will be the case) Chiarelli may use it (he would have access to Oilers scouting lists and as Matty mentioned yesterday Meier is held in high regard). Otherwise, and most likely, I suspect the pick will be used to acquire a solution at defense or center.

CHIARELLI’S DRAFT RECORD

It is not good. Chiarelli hired Wayne Smith early in his regime and a year later made him scouting director.

  • Mitch Cole, July 2013: Since Smith took over the scouting department in 2007, Bruins’ draft picks have played in a combined 144 NHL games, and have a stat line of 14 goals, 23 assists and 37 points. That excludes Dougie Hamilton and Tyler Seguin, of course, who were both top 10 draft picks. Add that to the fact that none of the Bruins’ draft picks from 2007-2009 have yet to become regular NHL players, and it becomes clear that a change was needed. Source

CHIARELLI’S DRAFT PICKS WHO HAVE PLAYED IN THE NHL, 2007-14

  1. Joe Colborne 160
  2. Jordan Caron 153
  3. Ryan Spooner 56
  4. Craig Cunningham 53
  5. David Pastrnak 46
  6. Michael Hutchinson 41
  7. Seth Griffith 30
  8. Zach Trotman 29
  9. Lane McDermid 21
  10. Zach Hamill 20
  11. Brian Ferlin 7
  12. Justin Florek 4
  13. Alexander Khokhlachev 4
  14. Maxime Sauve 1
  15. Jamie Arniel 1
  16. Malcom Subban 1

The best Bruins pick (outside the two high ones, Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton) is a marginal NHL regular, a depth guy, and I’ll give credit for two of those (Colborne and Jordan) plus Spooner looks like he’s found his way. Pastrnak and Hutchinson also look good and guys like Trotman, Griffith and Malcom Subban will probably be heard from sooner than later. I will say that Pastrnak has an ‘Eberle feel’ early days and that’s a positive.

In the same time frame, Oilers have enjoyed seven top 10 selections so the comparable is difficult. Still, if we exclude all of them (Gagner, Paajarvi, Hall, Nuge, Yakupov, Nurse, Draisaitl) we still get:

  1. Jordan Eberle 356
  2. Riley Nash 178
  3. Anton Lander 132
  4. Martin Marincin 85
  5. Linus Omark 79
  6. Oscar Klefbom 77
  7. Tobias Rieder 72
  8. Teemu Hartikainen 52
  9. Tyler Pitlick 27
  10. Brandon Davidson 12
  11. Alex Plante 10
  12. David Musil 4
  13. Phil Cornet 2
  14. Bogdan Yakimov 1
  15. Curtis Hamilton 1
  16. Tyler Bunz 1
  17. Johan Motin 1
  18. Milan Kytnar 1

The Oilers were still drafting higher and their list is clearly better at this time. There are six on this list (Eberle, Nash, Lander, Marincin, Klefbom, Rieder) who are either clearly established or on the way as NHL regulars—Edmonton’s list in the same time period is superior and trending well.

CHIARELLI’S BEST TRADES

  • Feb 10, 2007: Acquired Andrew Ference and Chuck Kobasew from Calgary for Wayne Primeau, Brad Stuart and the pick that turned into TJ Brodie (it was a fourth-round selection).
  • July 23, 2007: Acquired the rights to Carl Soderberg from St. Louis for Hannu Toivonen.
  • June 24, 2008: Acquired Johnny Boychuk from Colorado for Matt Hendricks.
  • March 4, 2009: Acquired Mark Recchi and a second-round pick from Tampa Bay for Matt Lashoff and Martin Karsums.
  • September 18, 2009: Acquired draft picks that turned into Tyler Seguin, Dougie Hamilton and Jared Knight from the Toronto Maple Leafs for Phil Kessel.
  • March 3, 2010: Acquired Dennis Seidenberg and the rights to Matt Bartkowski from Florida for Byron Bitz, Craig Weller and the draft pick that turned into Alex Petrovic.
  • June 22, 2010: Acquired Nathan Horton and Gregory Campbell from Florida for Dennis Wideman and the picks that turned into Derek Forbort and Kyle Rau.
  • February 15, 2011: Acquired Chris Kelly from Ottawa for the pick that turned into Shane Prince.

Your mileage may vary but I’m comfortable listing those deals as helpful (and remember they were trying to, and did, win the Stanley Cup) and a few of them match what Edmonton will be trying to do this summer. Trades like the Boychuk and Horton deals are exactly what the Oilers need to do this summer, although the assets available to Chiarelli are decidedly inexperienced (or draft picks).

I’d suggest that Mark Fayne and Justin Schultz might be suddenly available with the GM changeover (remember, the new GM won’t be attached to any of the free-agent signings) and some opportunities may open up because of it.

CHIARELLI’S WORST TRADES

  • February 3, 2007: Traded Kris Versteeg to the Chicago Blackhawks for Brandon Bochenski.
  • June 26, 2010: Traded Vladimir Sobotka to the St. Louis Blues for David Warsofsky.
  • February 18, 2011: Traded Blake Wheeler and Mark Stuart to Atlanta for Rich Peverley and Boris Valabik.
  • February 18, 2011: Traded Joe Colborne and the pick that turned into Rickard Rakell to Toronto for Tomas Kaberle.
  • June 23, 2012: Traded Benoit Pouliot to Tampa Bay for Michel Ouellet and the pick that turned into Seth Griffith.
  • July 4, 2013: Traded Tyler Seguin, Rich Peverley and Ryan Button to Dallas for Loui Eriksson, Reilly Smith, Matt Fraser and Joe Morrow.
  • October 4, 2014: Traded Johnny Boychuck to the NY Islanders for two second-round picks and a conditional third.
  • March 2, 2015: Traded two second-round picks to Tampa Bay for Brett Connolly.

The Seguin and Boychuk trades probably got him fired, although Nathan Horton leaving sure as hell didn’t help the Bruins or Chiarelli. I don’t think we can say he’s clearly the best GM candidate available and there is concern about how wide the net was cast this spring for help in the front office. That said, Chiarelli is a clear upgrade from MacT at this time and his track record suggests he will aggressively pursue immediate solutions to problems and he has no issues with thinking big.

That’s good if you want the team to improve immediately but it will come at a price. How much? We wait.

MY OWN OPINION

This is a good day. When we all look back on the period 2008-2015 (the first portion of the Katz ownership era) we’ll see violent careening from one plan to another, we’ll see chaos and we will see the nadir of the organization. The men who love this brand enough to devote much of their lives to it, who were so talented they could play the game at its highest levels, we unable to adapt as executives despite very hard work and the best of intentions.

Peter Chiarelli may not be the best choice, but he brings clarity and direction and credibility to the group. He instantly upgrades the reputation of the brand in the industry and sends an exhausted fan base a clear message for a brand new day.

Breath easy. Our long nightmare is over.

ABOUT TODAY

I have been a part of exactly one mass firing in my life and it is still painful. I lost a lot of good friends on that day, many have never spoken to me since the moment it happened. I was retained, they were let go. Those individuals were fabulous people and fantastic professionals, my staying absolutely had everything to do with the work that remained. We all moved on but there is still a wall the remains these years later.

It’s a sad day, ladies and men. As fans, we can look forward to a new day, but I would hope we keep the comments civil and respectful. It is one of the things I appreciate most about you, the ability to keep it from getting personal. I expect we’ll all be challenged today, but if we have respect and have a care we can avoid getting into needless arguments on an emotional day.

Thanks very much.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

As you might imagine, this will be a very fluid day on the show. I’ll be on 10-2 today with a bunch of guests and the scheduled ones may or may not appear depending on the avail and what’s happening. SCHEDULED to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. Steve goes all the way back to the 1980s as an Oilers observer and will have great insight on a historic week.
  • Kent Ridley, Ridley Scouting. Kent’s CFL draft guide is out, it’s a very deep draft this season.
  • Antony Bent, FC Edmonton. A HUGE win this week and we’ll discuss the team early in the 2015 campaign.
  • Kirk Luedeke, Red Line Report and New England Hockey Journal. Kirk will help us with Chiarelli’s track record and his time in Boston.
  • Jeff Chapman, Copper and Blue. We’ll get Jeff’s opinion on an insane week.

McDavid Friday! It’s going to be exactly insane! 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. It’s all happening!

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  1. Yeti says:

    OilClog: Hall, Nuge, Yak and Ebs won’t be traded.

    I know it is difficult to say this on these pages, but I imagine that only first of those is truly safe. I’m not advocating it, but should the right deal emerge RNH would have the kind of trade market clout to land something big.

    Edit: I should note that this trade value stands only because he finally passed 50 points in a season.

  2. McSorley33 says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Kevin Paul Dupont ‏@GlobeKPD 4m4 minutes ago
    Chiarelli wiped out most everyone in ’06 when he took over Bruins – coach, asst GM, even VP of PR.
    ******************************************************************************************************
    Please….let it be so….

  3. Jon K says:

    OilClog:
    Hall, Nuge, Yak and Ebs won’t be traded.

    I wouldn’t be so sure of that. One of the only concerns with bringing in Chiarelli is that he’s not afraid to send out young skilled players if there is a perception that they aren’t team-first players.

    I wouldn’t say it is likely that those players are traded, but there is a definite chance that one or more of them could be.

  4. Yeti says:

    5-14-6-1: Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun now26 seconds ago
    Told that the Oilers are in discussion with the Bruins over whether or not a draft pick will go to Boston for Chiarelli… we shall see…

    Word has it that they might compromise on Liam Coughlin as fair compensation.

  5. elgruntus says:

    MacT said, when he hired Eakins, that he would “live or die with that decision”. Honesty was one of his better attributes.

    Guarded optimism from this fan going forward.

  6. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Yeti: I know it is difficult to say this on these pages, but I imagine that only first of those is truly safe. I’m not advocating it, but should the right deal emerge RNH would have the kind of trade market clout to land something big.

    So that an 18 year old can be an unsheltered 1C facing top comp from day 1? I doubt it very highly.

    Longterm if Drai turns into what we think he will, sure, maybe. But not right away.

  7. 5-14-6-1 says:

    Yeti: but should the right deal emerge RNH would have the kind of trade market clout to land something big.

    Never say never, but strength down the middle should suggest otherwise.

    Now, if we’re talking about Eichel, Ristolainen, Zadorov and the ’16 1st rounder for McJesus…

    runs for cover

  8. Michelangelo-McDavid says:

    OilClog,

    Just curious. Why don’t you think that Eberle, Hall or Yak will be traded? The Oiler’s NHL D & G is horrible. I could see Eberle dealt he’s value is as high as it’s going to be. I don’t see a huge increase in points, we know who he is, whereas Yakupov and to a certain degree (due to injuries) Hall’s value is low.

    I could see Eberle fetching a goalie or a defenseman. Not saying I will agree with the move but I could definately see it happen.

  9. Магия 10 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Lowe out of hockey and MacT in limbo works just fine for me.

    Watch out oilers. when you scrimmage you will be 5 kyke wellwoods against 5 other kyle wellwoods, throwing yourselves on the puck.

  10. AsiaOil says:

    The evil deeds that sent me to the darkside have been undone.

    I am optimist for the first time in years

    Asiaoil is back.

  11. khildahl says:

    Michelangelo-McDavid,

    As of today there’s no RW in the organization that can replace Eberle’s production. I would hope the GM is aware of that.

  12. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Yeti: I know it is difficult to say this on these pages, but I imagine that only first of those is truly safe. I’m not advocating it, but should the right deal emerge RNH would have the kind of trade market clout to land something big.

    Edit: I should note that this trade value stands only because he finally passed 50 points in a season.

    Hall is the most likely to be traded IMO.

    His injury issues make him the riskiest to hang on to but he also likely has the cache needed to attract the interest of a GM who has a #1D.

    I don’t think you would trade Hopkins after just addressing the C position and Eberle doesn’t present the same perceived value as Hall.

  13. Numenius says:

    Yeti: I know it is difficult to say this on these pages, but I imagine that only first of those [i.e. Hall] is truly safe. I’m not advocating it, but should the right deal emerge RNH would have the kind of trade market clout to land something big.

    Edit: I should note that this trade value stands only because he finally passed 50 points in a season.

    I don’t know, I’d say Hall is actually the most likely to go.

    He’s the only one of that group whose character insofar as it affects team-building is questionable, and I’ll bet it was at least partially on those grounds that Chiarelli traded Kessel and Seguin.

    Edit: Not to mention all those other things that DSF said…

  14. Магия 10 says:

    Yeti: I should note that this trade value stands only because he finally passed 50 points in a season

    Best he quickly flip him to a sucker that thinks he can do it twice.

  15. Магия 10 says:

    Business side has upgraded from a guy who means to offend to one who does it without trying.

  16. Dashingsilverfox says:

    khildahl:
    Michelangelo-McDavid,

    As of today there’s no RW in the organization that can replace Eberle’s production.I would hope the GM is aware of that.

    RW’s aren’t that hard to find.

    These ones have switched teams in the recent past:

    Voracek

    Vrbata

    Wheeler

    Kessel

    Hossa

    Iginla

    Callahan

    Ryan

    Pominville

    Simmonds

    Gaborik

    All of those players score at or near Eberle’s level.

  17. Lucinius says:

    Of the “core” (Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Eberle, Draisatl) I think Eberle is the logical candidate to be moved, and here’s why;

    RNH — Center, younger, shown growth offensively and defensively. Healthy enough. Fantastic 1-2 punch with McDavid down the line.

    Hall — Best of the bunch, but health issues diminish his value. He’s seen as fragile and injury prone. Also there’s the opinion of attitude issues with him (true or not). Might be one of the better LWs in the game, but the above diminishes trade value, as well as providing something the OIlers don’t have a lot of (a dominant winger who can play the physical/nasty style when needed).

    Yakupov — Not enough trade value to make it worthwhile. Tons of skill, but hasn’t shown enough at the NHL level for a first overall. Numerous defensive issues and the “Russian factor” play a part. You simply couldn’t get enough for him in a trade to make the trade worth-while.

    Eberle — Has the name brand recognition around the league, doesn’t have the 1st overall stigma, reasonably healthy, put up a pretty good finish to the season.. Arguably the best overall trade value due to that mix of production, reputation, saw-him-good feel, and healthy-enough.

    Draisatl — Center, young and recently added. Can be moved to wing easily enough, or allowed to mature in the minors. Hasn’t shown enough at the NHL level, but is young enough and recent enough that it won’t affect his trade value. Just not as much trade value as compared to Eberle and provides future center depth that all teams need more than another scoring winger.

    I really see Eberle as not only the most likely to be traded, but the one they are likely to be able to leverage for the most return while suffering the least in losing.

  18. sliderule says:

    Chiarelli’s draft record since he replaced his head scout with Keith Gretzky is not that bad.

    Coke machines are limited to late round picks and even a couple of those are tracking well

    I am pretty certain he will want his head scout sitting in a Kingsway office..

    It never made sense to me to have such an important position operating from boonies.

    It bothered me that he talked to Nicholson and Lowe and got some great ideas.

    The same Lowe that he got great ideas from that has traded away a lot of good players on his whim.

    The fact that he probably will have an office next door will require Chiarelli to have the balls to tell him to butt out.

  19. Yeti says:

    Dashingsilverfox: I don’t think you would trade Hopkins after just addressing the C position and Eberle doesn’t present the same perceived value as Hall.

    But can’t Hall cover at centre for a year? Oh, right. We have professionals running the show now. Carry on.

  20. wheatnoil says:

    Nicholson on media call confirms Oilers still in discussion with the Bruins regarding whether or not there will be draft pick compensation— Pierre LeBrun (@Real_ESPNLeBrun) April 24, 2015

  21. lance says:

    So I didn’t hear the presser yet. Lowe is still in? Or just not yet out?

    If he is demoted yet remains as a mole for Katz, that to me sounds horribly dangerous. The possibility of resentment towards his successor is just tremendous. Further, it could lead to discussions back room style, things done outside the round table. If people are guarding words, that can become contentious incredibly fast.

    If that’s truly the situation then I think Katz may have just made another giant loyalty based mistake.

  22. wheatnoil says:

    lance,

    Still in the organization but on the business side. Removed from hockey ops.

  23. striatic says:

    5-14-6-1: Hall on 1260 right now, endorsing Nelly.

    Kiss of death.

  24. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Yeti: But can’t Hall cover at centre for a year? Oh, right. We have professionals running the show now. Carry on.

    I laughed. Out loud.

  25. Yeti says:

    Dashingsilverfox: I laughed. Out loud.

    Hey, it’s cool. As they say on this blog, I’m having a bottle of Lagavulin. And then I’m having another one.

  26. Profit says:

    I was just listening to Stauffer and Chiarelli.

    Right at the start, Chia says “I was fired on Wednesday and started talking to Bob on Sunday”

    Sunday. McJesus.

    So while Bob said during the press conference that this had been going on for a while, it was McJesus.

  27. GCW_69 says:

    This is karma biting MacT in the ass for the Krueger firing. Loving it.

  28. GCW_69 says:

    So, can we pencil Soderberg into the line up for next year?

  29. Michelangelo-McDavid says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    I agree. You don’t ‘not trade’ Eberle because you don’t have his replacement. As DSF said finding Wingers is easy. You can get players that play up and down the lineup. Look at what Anahiem does with their LW’s. They seem to be doing alright.

    If the Oilers get a legit #2 defenseman or a number 1 goalie you trade think about trading Eberle. Look I like Eberle but he’s a replaceable part and I am not saying you just trade him away for hopes and wishes. You have to get legit value back in the deal.

    Let’s say you trade Eberle+ for Bernier and Gardiner. Then sign a player like Frolik are the Oilers ahead?

  30. Lois Lowe says:

    There is a ton of gold in this thread.

    Gold, Jerry!

  31. GCW_69 says:

    Just got off the phone with a Montreal fan I work with. He asked me, “what the hell was MacT thinking trading Petry?”

    #blindsidewelldeserved

  32. GCW_69 says:

    Somebody finally read Katz the definition of accountability?

    Next someone needs to explain that its okay to consider more than one candidate for a job…

  33. shawwwood says:

    This is gonna make LT fall in love all over again.

    Jason Gregor ‏@JasonGregor
    “The only way they trade me is if they decide. I will never ask for a trade. I want to be in Edmonton and help us win.” Hall #Oilers

  34. McSorley33 says:

    shawwwood,

    Jason Gregor ‏@JasonGregor
    “The only way they trade me is if they decide. I will never ask for a trade. I want to be in Edmonton and help us win.” Hall #Oilers
    *************************************************************************
    How much better can this week get?

  35. spoiler says:

    sliderule: Keith Gretzky

    Stellar chance to be the next Gretzky to work for this org.

  36. Bag of Pucks says:

    lance:
    So I didn’t hear the presser yet. Lowe is still in? Or just not yet out?

    If he is demoted yet remains as a mole for Katz, that to me sounds horribly dangerous. The possibility of resentment towards his successor is just tremendous. Further, it could lead to discussions back room style, things done outside the round table. If people are guarding words, that can become contentious incredibly fast.

    If that’s truly the situation then I think Katz may have just made another giant loyalty based mistake.

    I had this thought as well, but I do believe Lowe has been humbled by the last 9 years. He did offer to step down after his last meltdown after all. He’s probably ok with taking the target off his back.

    This is a tough gig in a demanding market, I’m sure the expectations wear on you.

    Nicholson and Lowe seem really cool with each other. Hopefully they’ll keep it professional, productive and apolitical.

  37. LMHF#1 says:

    “I hate missing the playoffs.” – Peter Chiarelli

    “This is the only way!” – Craig MacTavish

    It’s a good day.

  38. spoiler says:

    wheatnoil: No, no… cotton uniforms!

    Cotton breathes, you see, it’s much softer. Imagine playing games and your team is five degrees cooler than the other team. Don’t you think that would be an advantage? They’re cooler, they’re more comfortable…they’re happier. They’re gonna play better.

    Shrinkage?

    I figger there are a few shrunken “heads” wandering the halls of Kingsway and Swiss hotels right now.

  39. gr8one says:

    I honestly don’t see why we need to trade any of the big names to make big improvements going forward.

    There are UFA’s out there that can address the teams needs enough to make them competitive enough to be playoff team next year. At least in my opinion.

    Trade/buyout NN and Ference.

    Sign two of Franson, Ehrhoff, Sekere, Green, Martin, McQuaid

    Sign one of Soderberg, Matthias

    Neauvirth.

    With McJesus and those adds I think that team competes for a playoff spot next year.

    It also helps insulate CMD, let’s Drai and Nurse ripen in the vine in Bakersfield, if either kick out the jams than that’s a great problem to have.

    Jultz can be insulated and not play in a role that’s unsuited to his style/experience and all three of him, Klef and Shady can actually learn from some other solid Vet D men.

    Couple that with league average goaltending and a veteran coach(and I REALLY hope Nelly is retained as an assistant) that knows how to run a bench and maximize his players I believe makes this team at worst a bubble team next year.

    /edit

    If there is an inclination that a trade does need to be made teh big bargaining chips I’d use is next years first and/or our Pens pick this year leveraging them against a team in cap trouble and that can’t take back salary.

    I’d prefer to keep that Pens pick though I think…depends on the return though.

  40. spoiler says:

    gr8one,

    Not to mention the cap hit fallout.

    There is absolutely no need to trade any of the whiz kids at F right now.

  41. AZOIL says:

    G Money:
    – Man after calling for Lowe’s head for years (and I agree with the sentiment that it is Lowe’s head that is/was the issue, not his heart), it’s finally rolling and people are unhappy?

    – As others have pointed out, you can deconstruct EVERY GM’s trades and find lots of bad ones. That’s what happens when you make trades.But the Bruins have been a top notch team for years, and CHIARELLI BUILT THEM. They weren’t a good team when he came on board (as you’d expect with any team that changes its GM).It should be considered that he could have all those bad trades and still have built a winner.

    – As ‘Smelly’ noted, you have to take the team depth into account when looking at games played.In comparing the draft records, not only have the Bruins consistently drafted way deeper in the draft (which makes a HUGE difference: from front of first round to back of first round is a 50% decline in success rate), but many of the players that have games for the Oilers would never have had those games for the Bruins.

    – And that is a key point.The Bruins were not a flash in the pan team.Every good team eventually ages away or dies from bloated-contract-itis.Meanwhile, the draft is set up to reward failure.The entire system is built to eventually force a changing of the guard.What’s happening to Boston now may very well happen to Chicago and LA this year.

    FOR ALL THOSE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE CHIARELLI HIRE PLEASE ANSWER THE FOLLOWING TWO QUESTIONS:

    1. Is he better than Lowe?
    2. If you would not hire Chia, which available candidate (either free agent now, or expected to quit/be fired this summer) would you hire instead?

    This all day long. No GM has a perfect trade history and if he did he wouldn’t be available.

  42. spoiler says:

    Jim Matheson @NHLbyMatty
    · 2h 2 hours ago
    Guess it’s up to MacT whether he wants to work for Chiarelli, not with him, as the GM. Chiarelli and MacT get along. Bet he stays.

    Spector thinks it’s the other way around. MacT won’t want to.

  43. RexLibris says:

    Gregor – I would take Ference ahead of Marincin in the defensive zone.

    Gonna have to go ahead and disagree with ya there, Bob.

  44. stevezie says:

    Trading one of the core for atrue all-star #1 is fine. Trading one for someone only marginally better than the top UFAs is, obviously, a disaster.

    I’m of the mind that the more assets we can retain, the better. We have no depth, no spare forwards. This is a great summer to pay Paul without touching Peter.

  45. Ice Sage says:

    I dunno guys…

    “Chiatide’ doesn’t feel quite right as a support group / blog destination / iconic thingy

  46. lance says:

    wheatnoil:
    lance,

    Still in the organization but on the business side. Removed from hockey ops.

    “…to having Kevin help on the hockey side, whatever’s best for the organization…” (Bob Nicholson, 9:00 mark of today’s presser).

    Hmmmm. In fact Bob said prior there are two vice chairs (Bob and Kevin) and one chairman (Daryl).

    I’m not wearing the sweater just yet.

  47. McSorley33 says:

    gr8one,

    I honestly don’t see why we need to trade any of the big names to make big improvements going forward.

    ********************************************************************

    1. Still waiting to hear of a team that has a ‘For Sale’ sign on their 1D ( Legitimate 1D )
    2. Given supply of 1D for sale – Cost would be *double* what some people think
    3. Given the amount of holes in this roster/org – can we afford to pay the price?

    I am in your camp. Let’s see how these 3 C’s play out….

    In addition, let’s see if we can get lucky and find a stud D in this very deep draft ( I get it some luck
    required ) Keep swinging.

    Deep draft…this year..I won’t repeat myself on silky smooth skating at #16 Thomas Chabot

    How about Ramus Andersson at #33 D – Barrie Colts 6 feet – 2010 pounds

    “A solid puck moving defender…moves the puck up ice quickly with a strong passing game”

    62 points with Barrie this year….Swede that came over to N. America to play

    “As is typical with many Swedish defensemen, Andersson skates extraordinarily well and displays exceptional lateral movement. For a 6’0″ blueliner, he doesn’t get pushed around easily – probably because he’s a bulky 209 lbs.”

  48. G Money says:

    spoiler:
    Jim Matheson @NHLbyMatty · 2h2 hours ago
    Guess it’s up to MacT whether he wants to work for Chiarelli, not with him, as the GM. Chiarelli and MacT get along. Bet he stays.

    Spector thinks it’s the other way around. MacT won’t want to.

    It will be an interesting decision for MacT.

    If he can swallow his pride, he’ll admit he was promoted into a GM role without having any actual experience at it, and it showed. He can rectify that mistake career-wise by working alongside an experienced, respected, and successful hockey executive. If he does well (and I still believe in the big picture that he is a smart man) he might find himself someday in a GM role and qualified for it.

    Or he can take his puck and go home, and hope an AHL team needs a coach in the next few years.

  49. stevezie says:

    Michelangelo-McDavid: As DSF said finding Wingers is easy.

    Not really, it’s just easier than finding D. If you can get a ten in the UFA market, it doesn’t make sense to trade Eberle to get a jack. A king? Sure. No good UFAs? Sure. But Plan A has to be to spend money and picks, no?

  50. spoiler says:

    Katz…

    1. Was embarrassed this year by the organization, especially in NY media

    2. Was not going to go into new building without healing some very public wounds

    3. Needed a new perception about the Oilers around the league.

    Mission pretty much accomplished… although I am surprised he identified the LaForge issues.

    Nicholson must have done a lot of research outside the organization, especially in the Edmonton community.

  51. delooper says:

    Chiarelli’s only comment on what his plans are for the Oilers “it’s about finding the balance”. Is he a commenter on your blog, LT?

  52. spoiler says:

    G Money: It will be an interesting decision for MacT.

    If he can swallow his pride, he’ll admit he was promoted into a GM role without having any actual experience at it, and it showed.He can rectify that mistake career-wise by working alongside an experienced, respected, and successful hockey executive.If he does well (and I still believe in the big picture that he is a smart man) he might find himself someday in the GM role and qualified for it.

    Or he can take his ball and go home, and hope an AHL team needs a coach in the next few years.

    I think the odds are better than 50-50 he stays for a transition at least.

    Chiarelli hasn’t immediately said he’s sweeping clean, so I imagine there’s probably multiple possible paths going forwards.

  53. stevezie says:

    My favourite part of the presser is I thought Chia worked really hard to say, “I know I just came from the Bruins, but I will not necessarily be loading up on coke machines. Relax.”

  54. RexLibris says:

    Re: selling assets for a D.

    The Oilers had a terrible defense last year. By a mile.

    They performed relatively well with a rookie coach and a collection of AHL call-ups from their prospect pool on the blueline down the stretch drive when every team was squeezing them for points to make the playoffs.

    It stands to reason that even a marginal improvement at D, acquired through modest trades and free-agent signings, coupled with improved coaching and actual center depth of NHL calibre, and not to mention league average goaltending acquired through free-agency, is going to pay immediate dividends for this team.

    They don’t need to blow a damn thing up. They just needed to get their heads screwed on straight and realize that subtracting Ference and Nikitin, adding a veteran C, and getting a good coach might be enough to bring this team into, at the very least, the margins of playoff discussions.

  55. Ducey says:

    AsiaOil:
    The evil deeds that sent me to the darkside have been undone.

    I am optimist for the first time in years

    Asiaoil is back.

    Oh boy, this week can’t get any better now 🙂

  56. spoiler says:

    If Boston demands a pick as compensation, then the reasons to screw them back with an offer sheet to Dougie Hamilton increase.

  57. G Money says:

    In retrospect: I guess the forensic audit came up with several answers, including “the POHO, the GM, and the scouting” so I guess it worked pretty well after all.

  58. striatic says:

    spoiler: 1. Was embarrassed this year by the organization, especially in NY media

    Could you elaborate on this? Regarding the NY media specifically?

    G Money: It will be an interesting decision for MacT.

    I’d guess it depends entirely on the role he is offered. Head of Pro and Amateur Scouting might be enough to keep his hand in, but is entirely dependent on Chiarelli wanting him there and I’m not sure he would.

  59. RexLibris says:

    spoiler:
    If Boston demands a pick as compensation, then the reasons to screw them back with an offer sheet to Dougie Hamilton increase.

    Chiarelli halfway made that bed, although the desire to give it to Neely by submitting an offer sheet must certainly be there.

    I only hope that he is making decisions based on more than vengeance. That is something Lowe would have done in his first few years.

    All that aside, I really like Doug Hamilton and would absolutely LOVE to have him here.

  60. Ducey says:

    Ice Sage:
    I dunno guys…

    “Chiatide’ doesn’t feel quite right as a support group / blog destination / iconic thingy

    Plus our host would have to go around calling himself “Allan” or “Mr. Mitchell”.

    Gross.

  61. striatic says:

    spoiler:
    If Boston demands a pick as compensation, then the reasons to screw them back with an offer sheet to Dougie Hamilton increase.

    It’s a fig leaf for sure. The politics of offer sheets are fascinating. I’m a bit worried about a McDavid offer sheet coming from somewhere if the Oilers start firing shots.

  62. spoiler says:

    striatic: spoiler: 1. Was embarrassed this year by the organization, especially in NY media
    Could you elaborate on this? Regarding the NY media specifically?

    Think back to a Lundquist interview.

  63. McSorley33 says:

    Report Rasmus Andersson D – Barrie Colts-

    ““He was selected to the roster for the World Junior Under-18 Tournament in April, 2013 as a player **almost two years younger** than the rest, save Connor McDavid. An impact type blue-liner who has tremendous vision, and instincts. Heavy shooter who can lead the rush, or guide it from the backline. Superb passer who leads many of the transitional rushes.

  64. match eddy says:

    I wonder what this does for the Derek Roy negotiation.

    Have to think that’ll go on the back burner for a while

  65. spoiler says:

    striatic: I’d guess it depends entirely on the role he is offered. Head of Pro and Amateur Scouting might be enough to keep his hand in, but is entirely dependent on Chiarelli wanting him there and I’m not sure he would.

    I think AGM and Head of Player Development is more likely for MacT.

    Lowe helped bring in Chiarelli, and was also instrumental in bringing in Bob Green, allegedly as a result of the audit. Green’s job might be safe.

  66. gr8one says:

    spoiler:
    Katz…

    although I am surprised he identified the LaForge issues.

    This intrigue’s me…I always thought LaForge was only involved in the business/politics/PR side of the Katz group, what were the “LaForge issues” and does anyone know if he actually had any say in Hockey Ops at all?

    I was surprised to hear that he had been let go and that they seemed to make such a strong point of announcing he had been let go…it just seemed odd to me because I never thought of him as being involved in Hockey Ops AT ALL.

    Pardon my ignorance, but can any of you all elaborate more on this?

  67. Ducey says:

    match eddy:
    I wonder what this does for the Derek Roy negotiation.

    Have to think that’ll go on the back burner for a while

    Or for good. Not exactly a “heavy” player.

    McSorley33,

    How about Ramus Andersson at #33 D – Barrie Colts 6 feet – 2010 pounds

    Now that’s a heavy player.

  68. RexLibris says:

    striatic: I’m a bit worried about a McDavid offer sheet coming from somewhere if the Oilers start firing shots.

    I don’t think this will be a thing.

    They’ll have McDavid signed shortly after the draft, then when it comes around to his 2nd contract the Oilers will likely be qualifying him to a long-term contract as soon as possible.

    The only downside is that they can ONLY sign him to 8 years.

    The McDavid contract architecture, in terms of timing, is going to be a very important one to manage. You want to retain that asset for virtually the lifetime of his hockey career.

  69. spoiler says:

    gr8one: This intrigue’s me…I always thought LaForge was only involved in the business/politics/PR side of the Katz group, what were the “LaForge issues” and does anyone know if he actually had any say in Hockey Ops at all?

    This is about OEG and making the building fly, not hockey ops.

    For a full breakdown on LaForge’s issues, ask Woodguy, he’s been keeping tabs. Some of it is listed earlier in this thread, in the first 200 comments.

  70. RexLibris says:

    spoiler: I think AGM and Head of Player Development is more likely for MacT.

    Lowe helped bring in Chiarelli, and was also instrumental in bringing in Bob Green, allegedly as a result of the audit.Green’s job might be safe.

    If Chiarelli keeps Green he may hand the reigns of the draft over to him in short order.

    That’ll let me breath a sigh of relief.

    I trust Green to properly construct a priority list of skills and attributes that more fully exploits the value of the draft.

  71. Numenius says:

    Profit: Right at the start, Chia says “I was fired on Wednesday and started talking to Bob on Sunday”

    Sunday. McJesus.

    So while Bob said during the press conference that this had been going on for a while, it was McJesus.

    During the question period Chiarelli said McDavid really did influence his decision.

    He said it in a way suggesting he wasn’t just a nice bonus, he was a genuine factor.

  72. striatic says:

    gr8one: Pardon my ignorance, but can any of you all elaborate more on this?

    I suspect that since Nicholson is handing the keys to Chiarelli on the hockey side, that Nicholson will be very engaged on the business side and that made LaForge redundant. Nicholson taking LaForge’s job, essentially.

  73. Lowetide says:

    AsiaOil:
    The evil deeds that sent me to the darkside have been undone.

    I am optimist for the first time in years

    Asiaoil is back.

    Welcome back!!! This is great news!

  74. gr8one says:

    RexLibris:
    Re: selling assets for a D.

    The Oilers had a terrible defense last year. By a mile.

    They performed relatively well with a rookie coach and a collection of AHL call-ups from their prospect pool on the blueline down the stretch drive when every team was squeezing them for points to make the playoffs.

    It stands to reason that even a marginal improvement at D, acquired through modest trades and free-agent signings, coupled with improved coaching and actual center depth of NHL calibre, and not to mention league average goaltending acquired through free-agency, is going to pay immediate dividends for this team.

    They don’t need to blow a damn thing up. They just needed to get their heads screwed on straight and realize that subtracting Ference and Nikitin, adding a veteran C, and getting a good coach might be enough to bring this team into, at the very least, the margins of playoff discussions.

    I hate when smart-arses come along and say exactly what I say only far more eloquently and succinctly than I. Bastid.

    lol <3.

  75. spoiler says:

    I hoping that LT bestows a new article on us an hour early today…

    I’m thinking about heading to the pub and working on my post-PC Cellie.

    Which is probably where that lazy bastard Mitchell is right now.
    😉

  76. kinger_OIL says:

    If I’m MacT and my long-term objective was a 20 year career as an executive in the NHL, I do whatever I can to stay. Assuming the team gets way better and competes/wins cups, by association some of that credit is going to be attributed to him. If he leaves the OIL now, he’s going to have a tougher time rehabilitating himself – not sure what the market is for a GM with his 2 year track-record. Who knows though, these guys get paid so much, maybe his bank account is large enough to walk away.

  77. gd says:

    I found this interesting item about a book Chia’s Dad wrote slamming Cherry and praising Sam Pollock.

    http://hockeyjournal.com/news/bruins/Sour_on_Grapes-_Bruins_GM-s_dad_rips_Cherry_in_new_book

    Just curious if anyone read it?

  78. RexLibris says:

    Per nhlnumbers.com, the Oilers have Purcell, Gordon, Nikitin and Scrivens as expiring UFAs next season.

    We need to keep this in mind when Chiarelli starts dealing, which I think he does this summer once cap restrictions come off and free-agents can be signed. Probably targeting the time between the draft and free-agency.

    There will be one or two teams really desperate to move contracts off the books so they can sign this or that free-agent.

    That is also the window to prepare the offer-sheet on an RFA. You’re now dealing with 2016 draft picks and have a few expiring contracts that could be moved to replace those lost in an offer-sheet or trade.

  79. Lois Lowe says:

    Earlier in the thread someone mentioned ChiaPet and Nicholson heading to Kelowna. I would assume it’s ostensibly to talk to Stu about his future, no?

  80. spoiler says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Earlier in the thread someone mentioned ChiaPet and Nicholson heading to Kelowna. I would assume it’s ostensibly to talk to Stu about his future, no?

    Nawww, they’re skipping Vernon.

  81. RexLibris says:

    spoiler: Which is probably where that lazy bastard Mitchell is right now.

    Did you hear LT talk about his experience working in sales?

    “I gotta go meet that guy about that thing over on the south side.”

  82. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Welcome back!!! This is great news!

    Now, we just need to find out where BlacqueJacque has been hiding these last two years.

  83. spoiler says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Earlier in the thread someone mentioned ChiaPet and Nicholson heading to Kelowna. I would assume it’s ostensibly to talk to Stu about his future, no?

    I mentioned it because I’m worried about the urgency of seeing what Draisaitl is after winning McDavid.

  84. striatic says:

    Lois Lowe: Earlier in the thread someone mentioned ChiaPet and Nicholson heading to Kelowna. I would assume it’s ostensibly to talk to Stu about his future, no?

    It’s to watch Draisaitl in his playoff series, right?

  85. RexLibris says:

    gd: I found this interesting item about a book Chia’s Dad wrote slamming Cherry and praising Sam Pollock.

    Uh oh, LT is going to start a petition to get Chiarelli fired now.

  86. rickithebear says:

    Rondo:
    5-14-6-1,

    Next the scouts

    2013
    2014

    Who the fuck does better?

    Prove it!

  87. kinger_OIL says:

    And yes – LT : I really think given all the changes going on with the OIL: its time. Time for you to change the name of this Blog to something other than Lowetide…Conduct an audit, seek counsel, and come up with a new name… Suggestions anyone?

  88. RexLibris says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Earlier in the thread someone mentioned ChiaPet and Nicholson heading to Kelowna. I would assume it’s ostensibly to talk to Stu about his future, no?

    Probably setting up for their draft meetings they have there every year.

    They need to get that settled quickly.

    Green will have all the information from the scouts, but they’ll need to run everything through Chiarelli as well to find out where his priorities coincide and deviate from previous management.

    They’ll probably be going over a tonne of video and written reports, re-drawing the draft list.

    Now, all of that assumes that Chiarelli isn’t beholden to a non-disclosure agreement regarding this draft due to his recent involvement with the Bruins.

  89. marty62 says:

    What a week! first we get a miracle by winning McJessus. Now we have removed Lowe and MacT from the decision making and replace them with a guy that has the chops to go back and FIX mistakes…. Draft day and Free agent day are going to be awesome!!!!

  90. RexLibris says:

    Wayne Scanlan
    ‏@HockeyScanner

    Quite sure the Senators told free agent BU prospect Matt O’Connor the org would be trading a goalie in the future to clear room for him.

    ———-

    That would be rather irresponsible.

  91. Ducey says:

    kinger_OIL:
    And yes – LT : I really think given all the changes going on with the OIL: its time.Time for you to change the name of this Blog to something other than Lowetide…Conduct an audit, seek counsel, and come up with a new name… Suggestions anyone?

    Heavy Fuel.

    1)Hopefully the Oilers will be more refined.

    Refined: defn: with impurities or unwanted elements having been removed by processing.

    2)And of course the new GM is all about the heavy.

    3) the Oiler’s current situation has been “written” by dire straights.

  92. RexLibris says:

    Why change the name of the blog?

    Are we completely forgetting the massive contributions made to this organization by Ken Lowe?

  93. rickithebear says:

    R. Andersson:
    210lb/72in = 2.92lb/in
    Lois!

    15 and 16 draft age U18 WJC SWE
    17 draft age

  94. Магия 10 says:

    Ice Sage:
    I dunno guys…

    “Chiatide’ doesn’t feel quite right as a support group / blog destination / iconic thingy

    Chia Pets till the hangover bites.

  95. lance says:

    So Bob continues with, “Where Kevin is involved is really up to Peter.”

    From there, PC: “Challenges. You asked about challenges…”

    Yeah. I’ll say. Katz’ mole as my boss and underling after I’m named his successor? Red flag. Giant red flag.

    Come on Daryl. I know you know better than that.

  96. khildahl says:

    RexLibris,

    What, no love for Ron?

  97. Магия 10 says:

    lance: “…to having Kevin help on the hockey side, whatever’s best for the organization…” (Bob Nicholson, 9:00 mark of today’s presser).

    Hmmmm.In fact Bob said prior there are two vice chairs (Bob and Kevin) and one chairman (Daryl).

    I’m not wearing the sweater just yet.

    Also said does nothing on hockey side unless Pete asks.

  98. godot10 says:

    spoiler:
    Katz…

    Mission pretty much accomplished… although I am surprised he identified the LaForge issues.

    Nicholson must have done a lot of research outside the organization, especially in the Edmonton community.

    LaForge was a “wartime consigliere”. The war is over. Nicholson is Tom Hagan.

  99. jake70 says:

    RexLibris:
    Why change the name of the blog?

    Are we completely forgetting the massive contributions made to this organization by Ken Lowe?

    Nice. That was a coffee spitter. lol

  100. Bag of Pucks says:

    kinger_OIL:
    If I’m MacT and my long-term objective was a 20 year career as an executive in the NHL, I do whatever I can to stay.Assuming the team gets way better and competes/wins cups, by association some of thatcredit is going to be attributed to him.If he leaves the OIL now, he’s going to have a tougher time rehabilitating himself – not sure what the market is for a GM with his 2 year track-record. Who knows though, these guys get paid so much, maybe his bank account is large enough to walk away.

    Really depends how much Chiarelli wants him (if at all) and the offer on the table. Ultimately it’s Chiarelli’s call and he many not want his predecessor.

    Very tough situation for MacT to remain in, especially if he would have a lot of direct involvement with Chiarelli and Nicholson going forward. Agree he likely won’t find a better job elsewhere. But mentally and emotionally, he’s still probably better off making a clean break.

    I’ll be very surprised if they can pull off the Bruce/Demi/Ashton dynamic. Very rare.

  101. jake70 says:

    And for the love of everything everywhere, have someone on staff who knows the CBA inside and out and inside again, and one or more actual cap geek/capologist.

  102. Bag of Pucks says:

    jake70:
    And for the love of everything everywhere, have someone on staff who knows the CBA inside andout and inside again, and one or more actual cap geek/capologist.

    Possibly the Oil hiring a former lawyer as GM bodes well for Dellow’s future with the team?

  103. delooper says:

    Bag of Pucks: Possibly the Oil hiring a former lawyer as GM bodes well for Dellow’s future with the team?

    Are lawyers tribal like that, or are they more like kung-fu masters, challenging each other to demonstrate whose kung-fu is the best, “there can be only one” etc?

  104. kinger_OIL says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Well one thing is for sure: MacT can’t argue : “constructive dismissal”.

  105. Really? says:

    Listening to all the commenters regarding Kevin Lowe and his “supposed” input to hockey decisions going forward is quite amusing. The OEG has become a large and diverse business corporation. As such, there are numerous responsibilities to be handled by both he and Nicholson.

    With Nicholson and Lowe as co Vice Chairs, Lowes input to hockey decisions, if sought at all, will be of secondary value. I am tired of people just carving Lowe. It is vindictive and small. Now that he is out of the mix, who are the haters going to target—Joey Moss. All the failure and frustration experienced by Oiler fans has to be somebodies fault. Yea right.

  106. Bag of Pucks says:

    delooper: Are lawyers tribal like that, or are they more like kung-fu masters, challenging each other to demonstrate whose kung-fu is the best, “there can be only one” etc?

    I would think they might have some things in common. I’m not sure I’d describe that as tribal, though it is a funny description. Would imagine there’s limits as to how much staff Chiarelli can poach from Boston so he may be in the market for a capologist. I do think that’s where Dellow can make the biggest impact on this org. Witness for this defence is his incisive analysis on the Khabibulin and Eberle contracts.

    I know he’s interested in the tactical side of the game, but he’s a dilettante in that area compared to the contractual side imo. He should maximize the value of both his education and analytics expertise, not aspire to providing coaching and tactical input. The latter won’t lead to the GM chair. The former could.

  107. Lois Lowe says:

    delooper: Are lawyers tribal like that?

    They are.

    There are only two types of people in the world: lawyers and non-lawyers.

  108. hunter1909 says:

    Really?: I am tired of people just carving Lowe.

    I am just tired of Kevin Lowe.

    Plus his MBA buddy.

    Neither have any business near a functional NHL hockey franchise.

  109. RexLibris says:

    khildahl:
    RexLibris,

    What, no love for Ron?

    Low.

    Wrong tribe.

    Besides, LowTide just sounds like either a surfing site or a LocalVore seafood site for West Coast hippies who like to pick their meals off the beach every night and rave about how the seaweed perfectly complements the entrée of hand-picked clams.

  110. raventalon40 says:

    The only thing that worries me is that the Oilers were not able to come out and just fire Lowe and MacT (not that I think MacT should be fired). But it just seems like by retaining Lowe over LaForge as the Vice-Chair, it seems like half measures to me. When it comes time to make the decisions, does Chiarelli actually get to make those cut-throat decisions, or will it be more half measures when that time comes?

  111. RexLibris says:

    Lois Lowe: They are.

    There are only two types of people in the world: lawyers and prey.

    ftfy

  112. V.XIV.VI.I says:

    Hall’s endorsement of Nelson honestly doesn’t mean much to me. He also endorsed Eakins, and defended him. He’s too much of a good soldier, unless his endorsement of Nelson was really passionate.

  113. RexLibris says:

    Really?: Lowe…Now that he is out of the mix, who are the haters going to target

    I nominate the guy who plays the music at Rexall.

  114. hunter1909 says:

    raventalon40: When it comes time to make the decisions, does Chiarelli actually get to make those cut-throat decisions, or will it be more half measures when that time comes?

    Since Lowe no longer officially has anything to do with the running of the hockey team, it’s fairly certain his opinions won’t be taken seriously. It’s like when anyone retires…they can go back to work to talk about old times with no one who particularly cares to talk to them. Their opinions are taken as meaningless.

  115. PDL says:

    LT,

    I have been reading your blog for years and can’t thank you enough for making being an Oilers fan tolerable. I am of a similar vinatage and started following the team in 1972 and attended the first ever game at Rexall, My dad had seasons tickets in the glory days but I now live in Toronto so I have only seen Hall play in person once.

    All I can say is that I still don’t fully believe the Oilers won the lottery and today is just the icing on the cake. I cannot wait until the fall.

  116. gogliano says:

    G Money:
    In retrospect: I guess the forensic audit came up with several answers, including “the POHO, the GM, and the scouting” so I guess it worked pretty well after all.

    “the POHO, the GM, and the scouting and the lack of Connor McDavid”

  117. hunter1909 says:

    RexLibris: I nominate the guy who plays the music at Rexall.

    I can’t stand the voice of the play by play guy.

  118. raventalon40 says:

    Really?:
    Listening to all the commenters regarding Kevin Lowe and his “supposed” input to hockey decisions going forward is quite amusing. The OEG has become a large and diverse business corporation. As such, there are numerous responsibilities to be handled by both he and Nicholson.

    With Nicholson and Lowe as co Vice Chairs, Lowes input to hockey decisions, if sought at all, will be of secondary value. I am tired of people just carving Lowe. It is vindictive and small. Now that he is out of the mix, who are the haters going to target—Joey Moss. All the failure and frustration experienced by Oiler fans has to be somebodies fault. Yea right.

    It’s the symbolic importance. A secondary contribution at a primary price from somebody who is supposed to be in a leadership role but answers to everybody else when it comes time to make those decisions – what kind of organizational structure is that supposed to be? That sounds like an organization that is unwilling to commit to a direction or to man up and just cut the cord. Lowe is a great man, no doubt about it, but lots of great men have been fired from their organizations whether or not they have won 6 Stanley Cups. What makes Lowe so damn special that Katz is unable to let him go? Even Gretzky had to admit he was no damn good as a coach, I’m not saying people should carve Lowe up. I’m saying Katz should do his buddy a favour and fire him quicker so that people can’t blame him for the Oilers lack of success anymroe.

  119. raventalon40 says:

    hunter1909: Since Lowe no longer officially has anything to do with the running of the hockey team, it’s fairly certain his opinions won’t be taken seriously. It’s like when anyone retires…they can go back to work to talk about old times with no one who particularly cares to talk to them. Their opinions are taken as meaningless.

    So this guy is getting paid to do … what exactly? Is this the Rexall version of the Canadian senate?

  120. Stelio Kontos says:

    Funny how my audit brought up the same things.

  121. RexLibris says:

    Lois Lowe: They are.

    There are only two types of people in the world: lawyers and non-lawyers.

    This reminded me of the old t-shirt:

    There are 10 types of people in this world.

    Those who understand binary. And those who don’t.

  122. hunter1909 says:

    Now that the Oilers are respectable, Lowetide can start offering a new service: Pay Lowetide money to receive a “Tier 1” Lowetide account; which offers the subscriber ignore features, plus chances to attend annual “meet and greet” gatherings next to the Sturgeon River.

  123. RexLibris says:

    hunter1909: I can’t stand the voice of the play by play guy.

    Michaels?

    I think we could probably stand Michaels if he wasn’t calling 62 losses a year.

  124. hunter1909 says:

    raventalon40: So this guy is getting paid to do … what exactly? Is this the Rexall version of the Canadian senate?

    Mr. Katz owns the team.

    Mr. Katz is fiercely loyal to the OBC.

    Mr. Katz can afford to pay as many of the OBC as he likes. To do as much or as little as they are capable of.

    It’s his money.

  125. gr8one says:

    RexLibris: This reminded me of the old t-shirt:

    There are 10 types of people in this world.

    Those who understand binary. And those who don’t.

    Awesome.

  126. jake70 says:

    Just watching McCowan on PTS. Roundtable discussing the Oilers situation. McCowan says he knows someone personally who knows Katz – says Katz has a really difficult time firing people.

  127. hunter1909 says:

    RexLibris: Michaels?

    I think we could probably stand Michaels if he wasn’t calling 62 losses a year.

    One of the coolest games I’ve ever seen called was from a BBC feed during the 2002 Olympics. The Brit announcers didn’t know a lot about hockey, but their side comments were hilarious.

  128. spoiler says:

    Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
    · 3h 3 hours ago
    Chiarelli says he still must speak to Todd Nelson

  129. godot10 says:

    raventalon40: So this guy is getting paid to do … what exactly? Is this the Rexall version of the Canadian senate?

    The Oilers Entertainment Group is now far larger than just a hockey team(s). The business and community relations aspects of the arena district are massive.

    One has to separate Lowe, the GM and POHO for the last nine years, from the rest of his career and legacy.

  130. Bag of Pucks says:

    jake70:
    Just watching McCowan on PTS. Roundtable discussing the Oilers situation. McCowan says he knows someone personally who knows Katz – says Katz has a really difficult time firing people.

    Reinforcing the old saw that nice guys finish last (in hockey at least). Fortunately he’s overcome that enough now to empower Nicholson to neuter the old boys club.

    I don’t need the Oil to stop paying KLowe to be happy as a fan. He’s Katz’s friend and it’s Katz’s money to waste as he sees fit.

    I just wanted hubris and inexperience replaced by credibility and experience. That appears to be the case now.

    Better days.

  131. hunter1909 says:

    I wonder how MacT, scouting in Europe was informed about today’s events. Skype?

  132. hunter1909 says:

    Stelio Kontos:
    hunter1909,

    Something like this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqkvSUNfZFk

    LOL not quite! The BBC play by play was professional enough.

  133. RexLibris says:

    Cullen’s off-season plan for the Oilers.

    Includes mention of McDavid and Chiarelli.

    Some interesting numbers there, worth a look.

    http://www.tsn.ca/off-season-game-plan-edmonton-oilers-1.265721

  134. spoiler says:

    Patty Sandpaper Baby
    ‏@blackdogpat
    Patty Sandpaper Baby retweeted ScanBC
    Where’s @Lord_Bob right now?! #chiarelli #chubby

    ScanBC @ScanBC
    #Vancouver Police are responding to Nanaimo St & Kingsway for reports of a male masturbating at a bus stop.

    LMAO!

  135. Bag of Pucks says:

    hunter1909:
    I wonder how MacT, scouting in Europe was informed about today’s events. Skype?

    They fired a note over on the back of a Justin Schultz slapshot. It should be there by 2019.

  136. hunter1909 says:

    Inside 1 week:

    Connor McDavid added to team.

    Lowe finally purged.

    MacT left wondering who he has to share his next office with.

    For Oiler fans this is like winning the Triple Crown in 6 days.

  137. Bag of Pucks says:

    hunter1909:
    Inside 1 week:

    Connor McDavid added to team.

    Lowe finally purged.

    MacT left wondering who he has to share his next office with.

    For Oiler fans this is like winning the Triple Crown in 6 days.

    I feel like I tripped and fell into Minka Kelly.

  138. Numenius says:

    spoiler:
    Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC · 3h3 hours ago
    Chiarelli says he still must speak to Todd Nelson

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Chiarelli seriously considers Nelson for the coaching job along with the other big names.

    These are guys that genuinely recognize talent and don’t just get blown away by bluster or reputation.

    I’d at least expect he expresses a strong desire for Nelson to stay with the organization in some coaching capacity.

  139. Ca$h-Money! says:

    I for one hope MacT ends up on Sportsnet. This isn’t me being facetious. I liked him on TSN and Sportsnet could use some help.

  140. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Numenius: I wouldn’t be surprised if Chiarelli seriously considers Nelson for the coaching job along with the other big names.

    These are guys that genuinely recognize talent and don’t just get blown away by bluster or reputation.

    I’d at least expect he expresses a strong desire for Nelson to stay with the organization in some coaching capacity.

    Hall’s verbal on Nelson was very clear in his interview with Gregor today. EVERYBODY appreciates the guy, in no uncertain terms.

  141. Stelio Kontos says:

    Haven’t heard anyone mention Scott Sterling as a goalie option.

  142. spoiler says:

    Stelio Kontos:
    Haven’t heard anyone mention Scott Sterling as a goalie option.

    Has he recovered from his injuries?

  143. RexLibris says:

    SportsCentre ‏@SportsCentre 28m28 minutes ago

    Pekka Rinne, Devan Dubnyk and @CP0031 named finalists for Vezina Trophy as top @NHL goaltender.

    Good for Dubnyk.

  144. marty62 says:

    Bag of Pucks: I feel like I tripped and fell into Minka Kelly.

    hahahah THis!!!! all. day. long……

  145. Rebilled says:

    McDavid has moved mountains already.

    McDavid for Double Captain! Two C’s!

  146. Stelio Kontos says:

    spoiler,

    He was looking good at christmas, but he got hurt again. I’d say he’s worth the risk on a 1 year deal.

  147. hankster says:

    Two things stuck on the presser.
    1. Chiarelli mentioned “heavy” six to eight times. He said ” there are teams that heavy on the puck…heavy stick…not neccessarily big in statue and you know which teams they are, they win most of the 50/50 battles” .
    2. He said this comes from instill a new attitude and expectations for the team. Not just drafting size but has to be a formula of success with player development and team accountability.

    Finally someone who gets it and has a proven track record. For so many years we had to put up with half baked ideas from an unqualified management group.
    Me thinks the current core with the exception of RNH is going to be getting a wake up call on how to “play hard” and not just “play fast” as Chiarelli said.

  148. Kmart99 says:

    If by some fluke miracle, Babock or Hitchcock come to Edmonton as a head coach… oh my. McDavid’s value is almost immeasurable.

  149. Halfwise says:

    Bag of Pucks: I feel like I tripped and fell into Minka Kelly.

    Wait! What? We got Minka Kelly?!

    What a great week. Man.

  150. Michelangelo-McDavid says:

    stevezie: Not really, it’s just easier than finding D.

    I agree. I shouldn’t have used the word easy, but it is easier.

    Regarding trading a King for a Jack. I am not sure what the grading curve is for position. I would only be talking about a fair deal. Let’s say Eberle is one of the top 15 RW’s in the game. As an Oiler GM you cannot possibly expect a top 15 defenseman in return. It’s not apples to apples. If you get a top 30 NHL defenseman for Eberle. Do you do the deal? Do you take two Jack’s for a King and a 6? It would has to be a smart deal, it has to be a deal that makes your team stronger. And in my opinion, a top 6 RW is easier to find than a top pairing defenseman.

    My guess is that Eberle is the first of the cluster that gets dealt. It might not be this off-season but from a cap management standpoint, he makes the most sense to trade. His contract ends a year earlier than Hall’s so I’m not sure the Oiler’s (when his contract is up) will be able to commit dollars to him, then Hall the following year, then Nuge the following year.

    Tough decisions will eventually need to be made. You can’t get something for nothing. Even free agents cost term and money. Unlike the Oiler’s most good teams lock up their best defenseman up long term prior to getting to free agency. So expecting to get a “King”, “Queen” or “Jack” defenseman in free agency when you have the other 29 teams to compete with is alot easier said than done.

  151. Bag of Pucks says:

    Halfwise: Wait! What? We got Minka Kelly?!

    What a great week. Man.

    Yep, we’re blowing the Octane Girls budget on a single girl this season. Quality over quantity!

  152. Bag of Pucks says:

    Michelangelo-McDavid: I agree.I shouldn’t have used the word easy, but it is easier.

    Regarding trading a King for a Jack. I am not sure what the grading curve is for position.I would only be talking about a fair deal.Let’s say Eberle is one of the top 15 RW’s in the game.As an Oiler GM you cannot possibly expect a top 15 defenseman in return.It’s not apples to apples.If you get a top 30 NHL defenseman for Eberle.Do you do the deal?Do you take two Jack’s for a King and a 6? It would has to be a smart deal, it has to be a deal that makes your team stronger.And in my opinion, a top 6 RW is easier to find than a top pairing defenseman.

    My guess is that Eberle is the first of the cluster that gets dealt.It might not be this off-season but from a cap management standpoint, he makes the most sense to trade.His contract ends a year earlier than Hall’s so I’m not sure the Oiler’s (when his contract is up) will be able to commit dollars to him, then Hall the following year, then Nuge the following year.

    Tough decisions will eventually need to be made.You can’t get something for nothing.Even free agents cost term and money.Unlike the Oiler’s most good teams lock up their best defenseman up long term prior to getting to free agency.So expecting to get a “King”, “Queen” or “Jack” defenseman in free agency when you have the other 29 teams to compete with is alot easier said than done.

    If the Sharks are desperate to clear out Marleau and Thornton, would they consider something like Marleau and Vlasic for Eberle and Schultz? They get the better value forward with Marleau way on the back nine, and potential upside from Jultz with the Oil obviously getting the better D overall with Vlasic.

    Assuming NTCs make this impossible?

  153. rickithebear says:

    RexLibris:
    SportsCentre ‏@SportsCentre 28m28 minutes ago

    Pekka Rinne, Devan Dubnyk and @CP0031 named finalists for Vezina Trophy as top @NHL goaltender.

    Good for Dubnyk.

    Out of historical respect for montreal journalist.

    it should be Rinne; Dubnyk; Iginla!

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