BRINGING THE CRAZY

As expected, we’re about to enter a period where current Oilers are going to be discussed in trade rumors. As much as is possible, this blog will attempt to assess the ideas/rumors and we’ll come to a conclusion together in the comments section.

  • Joe Haggerty, Comcast Sportsnet: Top draft choice Connor McDavid is heading to Edmonton, and there’s a good chance the Oilers will make Jordan Eberle or Taylor Hall available this summer. And a team like Edmonton will be in the market for a number of things to upgrade its flawed roster. They’ve long appreciated Milan Lucic’s game in Edmonton, and the Oilers need Lucic’s type of toughness, size and snarl among their top six forwards. Lucic is good friends with ex-Bruin and current Oilers captain Andrew Ference, and Edmonton is exactly the kind of offensive setting where the left winger could put together a gaudy contract year with free agency looming. Source

THE CONTRACTS (via NHL Numbers)

  • Milan Lucic UFA 2016 summer, cap hit 2015-16 $6M and salary $6.5M
  • Taylor Hall UFA 2020 summer, cap hit 2015-16 $6M and salary $6M
  • Jordan Eberle UFA 2019 summer, cap hit 2015-16 $6M and salary $6.5M

The trades Mr. Haggerty is discussing above are very expensive for Edmonton. Milan Lucic’s one season in Edmonton would cost five seasons of Taylor Hall (under contract) or four seasons of Jordan Eberle.

BOXCARS, THREE YEAR TREND

milan lucic three year boxcarsThis is Milan Lucic. His offense is down in 2014-15 but that isn’t news. The Bruins as a team suffered a power outage due to injury and the Lucic boxcars lost 15 points in basically the same number of games. That’s significant. Benoit Pouliot posted a higher points-per-game number this past season than Milan Lucic.

taylor hall boxcars threeThis is Taylor Hall. His worst season (2014-15) is a match for Lucic’s best year, and Hall during the two healthy seasons is among the very best LW’s in the game offensively. Unless you place enormous value on the enforcer role, these two players don’t belong in the same conversation.

eberle boxcars three year trend 2014-15This is Eberle. As with Hall, his worst season (2012-13) is a match for the best of Lucic in this window. Eberle’s best season is pretty damn close to the other two, the man is amazingly consistent. I wouldn’t trade four of these seasons for one of Lucic. Not ever.

FANCY STATS, THREE YEAR TREND

milan lucic fancy threeThis is Milan Lucic. He’s down in 5×5/60 season over season and his Corsi for 5×5 % is trending downward as well. NHL history is absolutely full of players who are physically dominant in their 20’s and injury prone after establishing themselves. Al Secord was done by his 30th birthday, that sort of thing.

taylor hall fancy threeThis is Taylor Hall. Those 5×5/60 numbers (this injury season aside) are top drawer, absolute impact numbers. Trading Hall may or may not be a viable option (I vote no) but trading him for Milan Lucic is bringing the crazy.

eberle 2014-15 three year trendThis is Eberle. He looks slightly better than Lucic at 5×5, and he’s a far better PP performer. Trading Eberle for Lucic based on the fancy numbers doesn’t make a lot of sense either.

SUMMARY

There’s a lot wrong with this trade idea from the Oilers point of view. Milan Lucic doesn’t address the club’s main issues (G and D) and he’s one year from free agency. He’s got a lot of miles on him (despite his relatively young age) and he’s expensive. Although his boxcars and fancy numbers are impressive for a player of his type, there’s simply no way to cover the gap in value between one year of Lucic and four seasons of Eberle. It’s an even bigger gap for a Hall exchange. In life, there’s hits and there are misses. This trade option misses by a substantial margin.

One more item. Peter Chiarelli is a smart guy and he’s going to improve this team, or at least try to, via all areas of procurement. There may come a time when one of these young guns is dealt but I can’t see it happening this summer and I do not see the return being a player with one year left on his contract. Mr. Haggerty’s article frames the issue very well for Bruins fans but is less satisfactory for Oilers boosters.

As an actual template for a trade? No.

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  1. dangilitis says:

    BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1):
    Fercic with two goals, including the 2nd empty net goal.

    Yes, he just matched his regular season goal production in one night

  2. Dashingsilverfox says:

    pocession charge:
    Crazy that Sweden left Hudler off their Olympic team last year.

    Really crazy when you consider he’s Czech.

    What were they thinking?

  3. Dashingsilverfox says:

    dangilitis: Yes, he just matched his regular season goal production in one night

    Timing is everything.

  4. dangilitis says:

    pocession charge:
    Crazy that Sweden left Hudler off their Olympic team last year.

    Not that crazy, considering he’s Czech, and that they had to make room for Smid… 🙂

  5. dangilitis says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Timing is everything.

    Not really. He’ll be a non-factor next series until Kesler calls him Ferkland and/or irrelevant

  6. Unicorns says:

    jimmers2: with some fava beans and a nice Chianti?

    beauty

  7. Unicorns says:

    I am not running down Eberle, I care that if they trade a cluster forward it’s the right one:

    Eberle 2014-2015
    TOI 19.03 P/60 2.45 shots/60 7.08 SH% 13.19 PP pts % 30 F/60 8.26

    Yakupov 2014-2015
    TOI 15.43 P/60 1.58 Shots/60 9.16 SH% 7.33 PP pts% 24 F/60 11.14

    If you factor in that Eberle plays with the best centre on the team and Yak’s better shot rates and Fenwick and that his SH% will more than likely rise I don’t see why he can’t produce as well with a good run in the same position. He also plays a more physical game and I think will soon be a better forechecker/boards player.

  8. pocession charge says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Really crazy when you consider he’s Czech.

    What were they thinking?

    Oops! Honest mistake with such a Swedish sounding last name 🙂

  9. G Money says:

    This is some really interesting stuff:

    http://puckprediction.com/2015/04/13/2014-15-nhl-playoffs-first-round-predictions/

    Apart from TBay (always a team or two that bucks the analysis), impressively insightful.

  10. Ray says:

    BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1):
    gogliano,

    I’m hoping all the way to the Cup finals, then lose in game 7.

    If it is followed with 9 years out of the playoffs, then it might be worth it

  11. BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1) says:

    Ray,

    Anything is better than the Nucks winning a playoff series. In my opinion.

  12. Numenius says:

    thehop:
    Zack Kassian. There’s a guy I’d like on the second or third line. I’m watching the Flames lock up the 16th ov pick for the Oilers and I haven’t seen him at all. Is he injured ? Scratched?

    That pick is now 15th overall, in fact.

    It’s the best possible scenario outside of the Penguins missing the playoffs.

    #Oilersplayoffs

  13. Picturesque says:

    Todd McLellan and his first interview with Jones, http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/04/25/mclellan-willing-to-be-courted-for-edmonton-coaching-job

    He wants to make sure it’s a match with the team that hires him.

  14. Pouzar says:

    Unicorns:
    I am not running down Eberle, I care that if they trade a cluster forward it’s the right one:

    Eberle 2014-2015
    TOI 19.03 P/60 2.45 shots/60 7.08 SH% 13.19 PP pts % 30 F/60 8.26

    Yakupov 2014-2015
    TOI 15.43 P/60 1.58 Shots/60 9.16 SH% 7.33 PP pts% 24 F/60 11.14

    If you factor in that Eberle plays with the best centre on the team and Yak’s better shot rates and Fenwick and that his SH% will more than likely rise I don’t see why he can’t produce as well with a good run in the same position. He also plays a more physical game and I think will soon be a better forechecker/boards player.

    We tried Yak with the best center on the team.

    Try WOWY Eberle/Nuge over the last 3 years.

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1342&withagainst=true&season=2012-13&sit=5v5

    You are embarrassing yourself.

  15. Numenius says:

    Rockets lose 3-2. Series tied 1-1.

    Draisaitl didn’t have the greatest game.

  16. G Money says:

    If the Oilers get McLellan, I’ll be happy (but a little sad for Country Grammar).

    If the Oilers get Babcock, I’m going to spend the summer driving around blasting Drake.

    “Started from the bottom now we here. Started from the bottom now the whole crew f*ckin’ here!”

  17. Dashingsilverfox says:

    G Money:
    If the Oilers get McLellan, I’ll be happy (but a little sad for Country Grammar).

    If the Oilers get Babcock, I’m going to spend the summer driving around blasting Drake.

    “Started from the bottom now we here.Started from the bottom now the whole crew f*ckin’ here!”

    Another free agent won’t come to Edmonton:

    http://www.pinchercreekecho.com/2015/04/25/the-price-is-right-contestant-rejects-edmonton-hotel-prize

  18. BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1) says:

    G Money: driving around blasting Drake

    GET OFF MY LAWN!

  19. BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1) says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Another free agent won’t come to Edmonton:

    http://www.pinchercreekecho.com/2015/04/25/the-price-is-right-contestant-rejects-edmonton-hotel-prize

    Will they stay in the crawl space of your trailer?

  20. Dashingsilverfox says:

    BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1): Will they stay in the crawl space of your trailer?

    We can’t afford a crawl space but our cardboard box is very portable.

    Glass half full.

  21. Gally says:

    Two points tonight, for now.
    1) a lot of people are preaching UFA, UFA, UFA.. The UFA market is great, later in the year when you’re picking up value pieces at value prices. Smarter people than me have said(probably even on here before everyone got that McDavid glimmer in their eyes), the UFA market is wildly inefficient. No matter if having McDavid means that every free agent gets 14 BJs a day, and the media lays off the team for the next decade and nobody is a whipping boy, the player still has to pick here AND fit into our salary structure. The first day, high priority guys we need are gone the first day, and not only are you competing against the other 29 teams for them, you’re competing against yourself that you don’t overpay I’m dollars and term. We did that with Ference and Nikitin, despite them not being the front line players we need.

    The last 9 years of free agency, us Oilers fans have done two things: bemoan that nobody will come here, and two, laugh at Engellend getting $3.5m per, and all the other guys that were overpays. The great, unflawed guys tend not to hit fee agency, and the ones that are able to, rarely take a discount, because they often have for the first seven years of their career. The free agency market is good for value buys, less for your blue chippers.

    Where the market swings to being efficient is on trades. We didn’t trust the last two guys on that regard, but we seem to be leaning in the direction of trusting the new guy. In a trade, a smart team finds someone undervalued and picks him up. Boychuck for Hendricks, McDonagh for Gomez, or any number of trades that seemingly work out for both teams. In the trade market, you’re still competing with yourself, but you’re only competing against one other team, not 29. Also, disregarding NMCs, in a trade, you’re cutting out the player and his agents from the negotiation. You don’t have Schultz in there saying, well actually I scored pretty okay so I need to be paid x.

    That means that we certainly have to be involved in the trade market to fill our holes, which means assets have to go out. If we’re scared our GM will value assets wrong, and make the wrong trades, then we have the wrong guy in charge. We need to pick up guys in free agency too, but that market is more favourable for smart teams that find value. Look at the last time, for example, Detroit, Boston, Chicago, or LA made a big splash in the fire agent market. It’s probably Hossa for two of those teams(at the expense of the Oilers who reportedly offered him $9Mx7.

    2: Franson would actually be a decent pickup. You can’t look at the previous two years of how Leafs used him as an indictment against him. They play Boat instead of Kadri on the top line. They bought out Grabovski, let MacArthur go for Clarkson, and cut bait with Kumelin. All useful players the Leafs botched.

    Stephen Burtch has been pumping Franson for some time now. You might not like Stephen for whatever reason, but he always brings facts to the table. For example, small sample size and all, since moving to Nashville, Cody has lead the D in CF, and also had the lowest CA. He also had a dCorsi of 81.05 this year. That’s good. He may not be playing the toughest toughs, but he’s kicking who he is playing in the balls. For comparison, Klefbom was -19.75, Marincin was 61.54, and Petry was 51.23(he was at 77.77 before the trade).

  22. Unicorns says:

    Pouzar: We tried Yak with the best center on the team.

    Try WOWY Eberle/Nuge over the last 3 years.

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1342&withagainst=true&season=2012-13&sit=5v5

    You are embarrassing yourself.

    Stats for 2012-2013?

    The 2.4% difference in CF% apart is more than covered in the 11.1% difference in O Zone%, for 2014-2015 of course which is what matters.

  23. cabbiesmacker says:

    pocession charge: Oops!Honest mistake with such a Swedish sounding last name

    Hudler sounds Swedish?

  24. Unicorns says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Another free agent won’t come to Edmonton:

    http://www.pinchercreekecho.com/2015/04/25/the-price-is-right-contestant-rejects-edmonton-hotel-prize

    Running down Edmonton should be out of bounds IMO, especially from someone living elsewhere. Dilutes the blog quality down and does not advance or inform the debate.

  25. pocession charge says:

    cabbiesmacker: Hudler sounds Swedish?

    Your sarcasmeter is broken!

  26. Pouzar says:

    Unicorns: Stats for 2012-2013?

    The 2.4% difference in CF% apart is more than covered in the 11.1% difference in O Zone%, for 2014-2015 of course which is what matters.

    There is more than 2.4% diff in WOWY OVER THE LAST 3 YEARS.

    Click on the link and try again.

  27. Adam Wu says:

    When comparing Eberle and Yak, it’s a classic bird in hand vs two in bush thing.

    Eberle is a known quantity and is pretty much at the peak of his career. What we’ve seen from him these past few years is what we’ll likely get for him for the next several.

    Yak is still more potential than achievement. His ceiling is likely a bit higher than Eberle’s but as with all potentials it is not guaranteed that he will achieve it.

  28. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Numenius: That pick is now 15th overall, in fact.

    It’s the best possible scenario outside of the Penguins missing the playoffs.

    #Oilersplayoffs

    it won’t be 15th unless Calgary makes the final four, and let’s face it

  29. delooper says:

    Adam Wu:
    When comparing Eberle and Yak, it’s a classic bird in hand vs two in bush thing.

    That fans of the team are contemplating trading-away key assets so soon after relatively good news. This is a sign we’ve grown accustomed to the beatings.

  30. G Money says:

    Just as missing the playoffs culminated for the Oilers in winning McJesus, Flames with an interesting (negative) consequence because of winning their series. (Not sure how this Twitter embed will show here).

    Also this win pretty much guarantees Bennett is using up Yr1 of his ELC. Still has 7 RFA years left regardless, but only 2 ELC years.— Matt Fenwick (@FenwickMatt) April 26, 2015

    Just like Dr. Drai.

  31. G Money says:

    The last year seems to have turned the Oiler fanbase into a rappers paradise: first drafting Dr. Drai, then Nelly with Country Grammar, and soon quite possibly Starting from the Bottom with Drake.

  32. Lois Lowe says:

    G Money,

    Of all the posters to be throwing down the classic hip hop/rap references here, I’m not sure that I had you pegged as that guy, G Money. Perhaps I should have considered your handle more closely.

    The Oilers are also about to add McYeesus to the fold.

  33. Gret99zky says:

    G Money:
    This is some really interesting stuff:

    http://puckprediction.com/2015/04/13/2014-15-nhl-playoffs-first-round-predictions/

    Apart from TBay (always a team or two that bucks the analysis), impressively insightful.

    Luck and bucks.

    Math killers.

  34. G Money says:

    Lois Lowe,

    Heh heh … yeah, my taste in music is pretty wide. Apart from the twangy type of country, I listen to pretty much everything, with a particular fondness for world folk, asian fusion … and of course, Rush!

  35. G Money says:

    Lois Lowe: The Oilers are also about to add McYeesus to the fold.

    LOL… let’s hope McDavid’s a gold digger at the Worlds. Or is he C. H.O.V.A.?

  36. BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1) says:

    Dashingsilverfox: We can’t afford a crawl space but our cardboard box is very portable.

    Glass half full.

    It’s nice to know that your meager lifestyle still affords you to shit on Oiler fans as often as you do.

  37. G Money says:

    BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1): GET OFF MY LAWN!

    If it makes you feel any better, I’ll be tooling around in a silver 1998 NSX. Serial #1 I should add!

  38. Dashingsilverfox says:

    BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1): It’s nice to know that your meager lifestyle still affords you to shit on Oiler fans as often as you do.

    What I save on property taxes I can invest in high speed internet.

  39. G Money says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Maybe you could change the asset allocation on your portfolio?

  40. BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1) says:

    G Money: If it makes you feel any better, I’ll be tooling around in a silver 1998 NSX.Serial #1 I should add!

    It does. I once owned an ’85 Dogde Omni GLH (S/N: 13439573493874996436775465354) that would eat an NSX on any track, any time.

    But when the company I worked for was bought out, and my position deemed redundant, I sold it to make a couple of death-pledge payments.

  41. Numenius says:

    LadiesloveSmid: it won’t be 15th unless Calgary makes the final four, and let’s face it

    Oh, that’s right. My mistake. Crap, I thought there was at least some consolation to Calgary winning.

  42. G Money says:

    BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1),

    Yeah, I’ve had it on the track a few times (back when Race City Speedway was open). I can tell you, I feared the Dodge Omnis more than any other!

  43. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Numenius: Oh, that’s right. My mistake. Crap, I thought there was at least some consolation to Calgary winning.

    16th is still great. We expected in the ~24th range, no?

    For a year and a half of Perron. Doubt he would have re signed or it would have been for a lot. Hip issues too. Running <0.5PPG with Crosby

    though Hall-McD-Perron might've been good

  44. Woodguy says:

    In my fun over at DSF”s place I ran all players since the 04/05 lockout who played at least 1 season between 18-23 years old and ranked them by points per game.

    I knew I’d find Hall near the top (he was 16th) but was mildly surprised at who I found at 13th and 22nd

    Here’s the top 25 since the 04/05 lockout:

    Name – number of seasons between 18-23 – pts/gm
    Sidney Crosby 5 1.36
    Jason Spezza 2 1.31
    Alex Ovechkin 4 1.3
    Evgeni Malkin 4 1.23
    Ilya Kovalchuk 2 1.09
    Steven Stamkos 5 1.03
    Eric Staal 3 1.02
    Nicklas Backstrom 4 1
    Paul Stastny 3 0.96
    Patrick Kane 5 0.92
    Ryan Getzlaf 4 0.91
    Anze Kopitar 5 0.91
    Ales Hemsky 2 0.9
    John Tavares 5 0.9
    Jonathan Toews 5 0.9
    Taylor Hall 5 0.88
    Rick Nash 3 0.86
    Alexander Semin 2 0.82
    Patrice Bergeron 4 0.81
    Bobby Ryan 4 0.81
    Thomas Vanek 2 0.81
    Jordan Eberle 4 0.8
    Tyler Seguin 5 0.8
    Matt Duchene 5 0.78
    Mike Richards 4 0.76

    Nice to see Eberle at 22.

    He’s isn’t easily replaceable.

    Hemsky at 12.

    Did Lowe ever piss away his prime years.

    Man.

  45. book¡je says:

    LadiesloveSmid:

    though Hall-McD-Perron might’ve been good

    I think you mean Hall – McD – Fire Hydrant would look good.

  46. Von Leon says:

    Not interested in him at that price what so ever. Don’t trade the core. Try our hand at free agents first.
    Just heard Lucic’s father died. Rumored suicide. Sad.

  47. Woogie63 says:

    With new management does Dubynk become a realistic option?

  48. OF17 says:

    Woogie63:
    With new management does Dubynk become a realistic option?

    Don’t think so for Dubnyk. He went through the gauntlet and came out the other side, now he’s a playoff starter and Vezina finalist. Why come back?

  49. BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1) says:

    G Money,

    I feared the door handles breaking!

  50. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy:
    In my fun over at DSF”s place I ran all players since the 04/05 lockout who played at least 1 season between 18-23 years old and ranked them by points per game.

    I knew I’d find Hall near the top (he was 16th) but was mildly surprised at who I found at 13th and 22nd

    Here’s the top 25 since the 04/05 lockout:

    Name – number of seasons between 18-23 – pts/gm
    Sidney Crosby51.36
    Jason Spezza21.31
    Alex Ovechkin41.3
    Evgeni Malkin41.23
    Ilya Kovalchuk21.09
    Steven Stamkos51.03
    Eric Staal31.02
    Nicklas Backstrom41
    Paul Stastny30.96
    Patrick Kane50.92
    Ryan Getzlaf40.91
    Anze Kopitar50.91
    Ales Hemsky20.9
    John Tavares50.9
    Jonathan Toews50.9
    Taylor Hall50.88
    Rick Nash30.86
    Alexander Semin20.82
    Patrice Bergeron40.81
    Bobby Ryan40.81
    Thomas Vanek20.81
    Jordan Eberle40.8
    Tyler Seguin50.8
    Matt Duchene50.78
    Mike Richards40.76

    Nice to see Eberle at 22.

    He’s isn’t easily replaceable.

    Hemsky at 12.

    Did Lowe ever piss away his prime years.

    Man.

    I’m going to frame this post.

  51. Lynas1 says:

    I might be way off base here, but if I’m moving a player like Eberle or Hall, my target would be like a Brent Seabrook, or maybe even a Duncan Keith. Optimal mentors for Klefbom and Nurse in my eye. Not Lucic. That’s such a Tambelini move.

  52. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy:
    In my fun over at DSF”s place I ran all players since the 04/05 lockout who played at least 1 season between 18-23 years old and ranked them by points per game.

    I knew I’d find Hall near the top (he was 16th) but was mildly surprised at who I found at 13th and 22nd

    Here’s the top 25 since the 04/05 lockout:

    Name – number of seasons between 18-23 – pts/gm
    Sidney Crosby51.36
    Jason Spezza21.31
    Alex Ovechkin41.3
    Evgeni Malkin41.23
    Ilya Kovalchuk21.09
    Steven Stamkos51.03
    Eric Staal31.02
    Nicklas Backstrom41
    Paul Stastny30.96
    Patrick Kane50.92
    Ryan Getzlaf40.91
    Anze Kopitar50.91
    Ales Hemsky20.9
    John Tavares50.9
    Jonathan Toews50.9
    Taylor Hall50.88
    Rick Nash30.86
    Alexander Semin20.82
    Patrice Bergeron40.81
    Bobby Ryan40.81
    Thomas Vanek20.81
    Jordan Eberle40.8
    Tyler Seguin50.8
    Matt Duchene50.78
    Mike Richards40.76

    Nice to see Eberle at 22.

    He’s isn’t easily replaceable.

    Hemsky at 12.

    Did Lowe ever piss away his prime years.

    Man.

    Booyah.

    Easily replaceable my ass.

  53. Hammers says:

    So it’s a new day for Oiler fans . Will we be as good as the 80’s team ? Will ownership let management make all decisions ? Is there another Sather out there ? Will they have 5 year plan to win another cup? Is there another Gretz, Mess or Coffey in our group let alone a Fuhr . You still need patience but you need to be winning at the same time and that’s not easy to do . Think on it Patience,Winning and Time .. Home soon. For a fan, ticket purchaser, supporter from day 1 these are new days and if Katz is smart he will let these guys do what they think is right .

  54. theres oil in virginia says:

    Other than the fact that Eberle is the Oilers’ leading scorer over the last few years, with or without Hall, the biggest reason not to move him is because he’s also the most veteran (and durable) of the young core. IMO, moving either him or Hall for any immediate help is pushing things back. If you want to move young players for vets, move one that isn’t yet established at the NHL level, such as Drai or Yak, etc. I don’t really like the idea of moving any of them, but I’m just that way. You do what you gotta do.

  55. hunter1909 says:

    Hammers: Will we be as good as the 80’s team ?

    No.

    Hammers: Will ownership let management make all decisions ?

    No. 99% of them probably.

    Hammers: Is there another Sather out there ?

    Prior to Gretzky, Sather was a fast talking journeyman ex player who probably showed little of the genius he was to become while watching Gretzky do everything on the ice, lol.

    Hammers: Is there another Gretz, Mess or Coffey in our group let alone a Fuhr .

    Connor McDavid has got the will to win = Messier. He’s also has mad skills. At the end of the day really, every team is unique according to the characters who make them – otherwise there would be easy comparisons for Montreal fans viz their 1956-60 and 1976-9 dynasties(there aren’t).

    Hammers: You still need patience but you need to be winning at the same time and that’s not easy to do .

    Under Lowe+MacT winning never occurred. That’s why they were both terminated from their hockey jobs this week. Chiarelli is proactive, and intelligent, plus currently able to produce a recent Championship building resume.

    Hammers: if Katz is smart

    Mr. Katz is very smart.

  56. Kmart99 says:

    Dubnyk would be out of his mind to come back. I’ll be blown away if he hits the FA market at all. Regardless, I’d still say, yes, PC would try and sign him if it were at all possible. Vezina finalists are rare and take years to develop with lots of ups and downs along the way. It would take a complete fool to let a player like that slip away. 😉

    (I don’t know if Dubnyk would have ever had success in Edm, or that the oil get Connor if he does, but I do know that his long term track record(sv%) suggested he was a quality starter. Moving him was a mistake, despite the stupid amount of fan support for the move.

  57. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Hemsky at 12.
    Did Lowe ever piss away his prime years.
    Man.

    And, though this shouldn’t piss me off as much…

    Hemsky, outside of this tiny universe, is completely unrecognized for what he accomplished over those years.

    The guy was a joke in the league when Tambo signed that extension. man, that pissed me off.

  58. Kmart99 says:

    PC made note of three obvious problems with the Oilers: Goaltending, Defense, and Style of play.

    The last one caught my attention. He mentioned that some teams don’t have heavy guys, but they play heavy with a heavy stick. To me, this brings back memories of how Ron Low transformed the mid to late 90’s into a nightmare for opposing teams to play against. Doug Weight became a physical force under Low for goodness sakes. Doug Freaking Weight.

    Ppl often say ‘you gotta dance with the girl you brought’, or something like that. How about, dump that bitch because she’s a gold digging POS who brings next to nothing to the table. I have trouble seeing Eberle ever playing heavy like other small guys(Gallagher comes to mind) but I can easily see Hall, Yak,and Nuge embracing a new style. Sure Anaheim is way bigger than you, so take them out at the legs! I’ve long yearned for a skilled forward group that plays hard, and I don’t just mean effort. I mean fi noshing your checks. If you know you cant make a hit before player x dishes the puck, you still make the hit, and you make it hard(provided it isn’t late). You slash and crosscheck when the ref isn’t looking, and you throw low hip checks against tall speedy dudes.

    A tiger can definitely change his stripes, just paint him black. 😉

    Nuge, Hall, and Yak all have it in them to become legit heavy NHLers.

  59. Bag of Pucks says:

    One thing I definitely think we should try to avoid is comparing this team to the 80’s teams or McDavid to Gretzky. These lads have enough pressure on them without trying to live up to the legacy of a legitimate dynasty and the greatest player who ever lived. Also, likely impossible to replicate in the salary cap era.

    In terms of taking those 80’s teams for granted? It’s possible we didn’t fully appreciate how truly rare and miraculous that was and how lucky we were. And yes, Edmonton sports fans did let it go to their heads a bit winning 5 in 7 in the NHL and 5 straight in the CFL. But can you blame us? Salad days. They were the best of times….

    One thing I can safely say is we (the fans) weren’t blase about it. I almost never passed up a chance to watch those teams, the entertainment value was off the charts. Those teams gave the local hockey fans a veritable catalogue of memories we’ll never forget. It sounds a bit ridiculous but when you watch a team grow up in front of your eyes and you experience the highest highs and the lowest lows with them, they become like family.

    And don’t miss the chance to go downtown when they do win the Cup. Young lasses doffing their tops in celebration of Lord Stanley is a sight to behold ; )

  60. Bag of Pucks says:

    Btw, here’s a good tip from an English mate of mine.

    England’s national side has not won the World Cup since 66. The frustration and pent-up demand for that squad to win might actually exceed that of Leafs fans.

    At the recommendation of my friend, I’ll book a flight to the UK immediately should they finally win. In his words, “Ale will be flowing in the streets and London’s fairest will collectively kick off their knickers.” The way he describes it, it’s going to be Gomorrah redux over there : )

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