THE OILERS AND THE WHL (2015 DRAFT)

The Edmonton Oilers love the WHL and many of their most famous young names (Jordan Eberle, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Leon Draisaitl) come from the western league. This year, Edmonton will not use their No. 1 overall selection on a WHL prospect but will probably visit the loop in later rounds.

NHL TOTAL PLAYERS/WHL PLAYERS DRAFTED BY YEAR AND TOTAL

  • 2014 NHL draft—210 total players, 37 from the WHL
  • 2013 NHL draft—211 total players, 33 from the WHL.
  • 2012 NHL draft–211 total players, 32 from the WHL.
  • 2011 NHL draft, 211 total players, 33 from the WHL
  • 2010 NHL draft 210 total players, 43 from the WHL
  • 2009 NHL draft, 211 total players, 31 from the WHL
  • 2008 NHL draft, 211 total players, 37 from the WHL
  • FINAL TALLY: 1475 total players, 246 from the WHL
  • PERCENTAGE: 16.68%

 OILERS TOTAL PLAYERS/WHL PLAYERS DRAFTED BY YEAR AND TOTAL

  • 2014 NHL draft—6 total players, 1 from the WHL
  • 2013 NHL draft—10 total players, 3 from the WHL.
  • 2012 NHL draft–7 total players, 1 from the WHL.
  • 2011 NHL draft–9 total players, 3 from the WHL.
  • 2010 NHL draft–11 total players, 4 from the WHL.
  • 2009 NHL draft–7 total players, 1 from the WHL.
  • 2008 NHL draft–5 total players, 2 from the WHL.
  • FINAL TALLY: 55 total players, 15 from the WHL.
  • PERCENTAGE: 27.2%

Edmonton chooses a player from the WHL frequently, far above the league average. We know the scouting department is going through a period of transition this summer, with Craig MacTavish, Scott Howson and Bob Green having large roles and Stu MacGregor and his scouts seemingly in evidence-gathering mode. Green has impressive scouting credentials but isn’t clear how much involvement any of these men will have in the final decision-making process with Peter Chiarelli now inserted at the top of the heap.

Last year’s edition of this list is here, and it’s interesting to look back one month before the draft and know who they were going to take at the draft. MacT was telegram Sam for other NHL teams.

TOP DRAFT ELIGIBLES 2015, WHL EDITION

  1. D Ivan Provorov, Brandon Wheat Kings A fantastic puck-moving defender, perfect fit for the modern game. He was trending in a good direction from the opening whistle and hasn’t stopped since. Top end offense, two-way ability, skates liked the wind. Music! Very likely to go inside the top 10 overall.
  2. C Mathew Barzal, Seattle Thunderbirds Brilliant offensive player who began the year as the top ranked player from the WHL and had to work like a bugger to get back to No. 2 rank. Had a splendid U18 World Hockey Championships and that display on the world stage may get him inside the top 10 overall. Knee injury early probably cost him a lottery (top 6) position.
  3. C-R Nick Merkley, Kelowna Rockets. Merkley is a quality prospects who posted a 90-point season with the Rockets. He’s following that up with an impact playoff run and combines speed, creativity and terrific passing ability to impact the game. He is ranked third on this list but there isn’t a tremendous gap between these three player. Size only real issue, likely to go inside the top 15 overall.
  4. C Jansen Harkins, Prince George Cougars. Solid two-way center with impressive offensive skills, in some ways he’s a better player with the puck on his stick than Barzal or Merkley. He ranks behind them due to speed issues—slight, not drastic—and should be gone before the 20th overall selection. Intelligent player.
  5. L Jake Debrusk, Swift Current Broncos. Skill winger who surprised with his offensive spike this season (from 15 goals to 42 year over year) and also improved his skating. Whatever ‘it’ is when it comes to cashing goals. DeBrusk has it. Very likely to be a first round pick, may go in the 20-25 range.
  6. D Ryan Pilon, Brandon Wheat Kings. Pilon has size, speed and is a very good passer. There is some question about his defensive ability but the size/speed combination will be impossible for NHL teams to resist. Very likely to be taken into the top 30.
  7. D Ethan Bear, Seattle Thunderbirds. Bear is another player with size and speed from the blue and he also owns a hammer from the point that may be useful in the NHL someday. Bear can pass the puck very well too, I think his name gets called inside the top 40.
  8. L Paul Bittner, Portland Winterhawks. Big (6.04, 204) winger with scoring ability (34 goals) but we have to be careful with this player. Portland boasts three impact talents (Oliver Bjorkstrand, Nic Petan and Chase De Leo) offensively and the totals posted by Bittner may overstate his offense. He could go in the first round, but a better spot would be inside the top 50 overall.
  9. L Ryan Gropp, Seattle Thunderbirds. Big winger (6.02, 187) with some scoring ability (30 goals), he appears to be much lower on most lists than Bittner. I’m not sure it’s a wide gap between these two players. It might be a skating issue but he’s a good prospect. A likely second-round selection.
  10. D Noah Juulsen, Everett Silvertips. Regarded as one of the best true defensemen in this draft, Juulsen has a range of skills. Good skater, passer, defender, that has value in any era. I think he’ll go in the second round.
  11. C Tyler Soy, Victoria Royals. A brilliant offensive player, he’s a wicked passer and one can’t help but think of Tyler Johnson and his career track in the same league. I have Soy as an early third-round selection, he may not get drafted. Why? Size.
  12. D Brandon Carlo, Tri-City Americans. On the other side of the coin is Carlo. He’s a big prospect who can skate well but doesn’t bring a lot of offense. This player is very likely to be chosen in the first round and will probably track in a Luke Schenn-like career path. These players have value, but the Moneyball play suggests this player should go in the third round, and that’s where I have him.
  13. D Parker Wotherspoon, Tri-City Americans. An apparent lock for the first round, there are some defensive issues and he is not an offensive defender. He can skate, has posted offense in the WHL and is regarded (apparently universally) as a quality defensive player. I think he’s a tweener.
  14. C Glenn Gawdin, Swift Current Broncos. A nice range of skills, he has some grit and can win battles. Gawdin improved his draft number with a good performance at the U18 World Hockey Championships.
  15. L Jesse Gabrielle, Regina Pats. He’s a gritty player with some skill, I’d love to see his TOI totals, especially from the Brandon games. I could be overrating him but there’s some interesting math here.
  16. R Deven Sideroff, Kamloops Blazers. A smart player with skill, I’d have him higher but Sideroff plays with some impressive forwards in Kamloops. Performed well at U18’s and may end up inside the top 60 on my final list.
  17. Austin Wagner, Regina Pats. Size, speed and he can score, enjoyed a mid-season spike and that has him trending. Wagner is a June 1997 and could end up higher on my final list.
  18. C Brad Morrison, Prince George Cougars. Speed, skill, intelligence. A very nice combination of skills, he’s probably benefiting from playing with Harkins in PG. I’ll have a closer look as we get closer to the draft, he could rise.
  19. G Adin Hill, Portland Winterhawks. .921 SP and he’s 6.04. I’m going to call him Dubey if the Oilers draft him.
  20. C Giorgio Estephan, Lethbridge Hurricanes. A very good skill player on a bad team, he is probably wildly underrated here.
  21. D Brendan Guhle, Prince Albert Raiders. I like him plenty, just can’t see him getting drafted in the first four rounds. A nice range of skills, just can’t find anyone who really likes him. Fascinating prospect.
  22. R Adam Musil, Red Deer Rebels. He’s a favorite of mine (fun to watch) but the offense didn’t come this year and his ranking reflects it. His EV scoring is especially troubling.
  23. D Andrew Nielson, Lethbridge Hurricanes. Big two-way defender, his offense isn’t much but it’s impossible to tell how good he is because Hurricanes. He can pass the puck well and play defense. 6.03, 207.
  24. C Wyatt Sloboshan, Saskatoon Blades. Skill forward has injury issues and size is a concern, but he’s a nice player.
  25. R Keegan Kolesar, Seattle Thunderbirds. A big two-way winger, he didn’t score enough to get into the top 20 names on this list. He’s an intriguing player based on scouting report.
  26. R Evan Weinger, Portland Winterhawks. A developing player, he has skill and added a nice playoff.
  27. C Brayden Burke, Lethbridge Hurricanes. Was very good in half a season.
  28. L Braylon Shmyr, Brandon Wheat King. Small, skilled. Fearless.
  29. L Pavel Karnaukov, Calgary Hitmen. Under the radar but emerging in playoffs. Lanky winger.
  30. C Andrew Koep, Edmonton Oil Kings. Imp with skill, I really like his aggressiveness.

Jordan Papirny is worth a mention, too. Last season, Edmonton drafted only one man from the WHL, I’ll guess they pluck only one from the dub again this season. Guesses? Adin Hill or Ethan Bear.

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101 Responses to "THE OILERS AND THE WHL (2015 DRAFT)"

  1. Mr DeBakey says:

    6. Ryan Pilon, Brandon Wheat Kings. Pilon has size, speed and is a very good passer. There is some question about his defensive ability but the size/speed combination will be impossible for NHL teams to resist. Very likely to be taken into the top 30.

    Does this fine young man have a position?

  2. Lowetide says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    6. Ryan Pilon, Brandon Wheat Kings. Pilon has size, speed and is a very good passer. There is some question about his defensive ability but the size/speed combination will be impossible for NHL teams to resist. Very likely to be taken into the top 30.

    Does this fine young man have a position?

    Some say defense. 🙂

  3. Pouzar says:

    SSM can’t win this from the box. Another nice cross ice pass from McJesus on the PP

  4. doritogrande says:

    Related story, I had the pleasure of talking to one Alex Plante on a professional level today. Nice guy. Damn injuries.

  5. ASkoreyko says:

    Lowetide: Some say defense.

    You would of thought a last name like that would of guided the young man into a different position growing up.

    Somewhere Gene is salivating.

  6. Younger Oil says:

    3 minutes in, both Nurse and McDavid have assists.

  7. zatch says:

    Lowetide,

    Some call it….Tim?

  8. Lowetide says:

    doritogrande:
    Related story, I had the pleasure of talking to one Alex Plante on a professional level today. Nice guy. Damn injuries.

    Yeah. The young man had a concussion every few months for awhile there.

  9. Alpine says:

    Plante’s jr. numbers followed the most bizarre pattern

    05-06: 54 GP 4 Pts
    06-07: 58 GP 38 Pts
    07-08: 36 GP 2 Pts
    08-09: 68 GP 45 Pts

    One year was probably mostly injury-related but look at the PPG swing!

  10. 36 percent body fat says:

    How good could the oilers set themselves up this year if we don’t go off the board. No Adian Muirs, no Liam Coughlins.

    BPA, regardless of size. Save the goalies for the late late rounds.

  11. Melman says:

    If they manage to sign O’Connor, that saves a draft pick on a G (they’s probably still take 1). It might mark the end of Bachman with the Oil though – He showed OK as a call up I thought.

  12. Numenius says:

    I really wonder who falls to 16. I expect the Oilers would prefer a large skilled F or a D, but there may not be many defensible choices available at that number.

    Let’s say the top 5 go as expected, and then some combination of Barzal, Meier, Crouse, Rantanen, Svechnikov, Zacha, Harkins, and the high D (Provorov, Werenski, Kylington).

    In that case, Merkley has fallen and is likely BPA and a steal. (Beauvillier might be a similar story, but isn’t as universally highly ranked)

    But he’s small and a C. So do you take him or do you pass over him because of size or needing a D? The closest F with size to being as good as Merkley at that ranking would seem to be Kyle Connor, but that’s about it. I think he’d be defensible. As for D, it’s not clear that any available defenders are defensible if Merkley’s there. Roy and Chabot are good, but are they worth gambling on over Merkley?

  13. thepeetso says:

    Anybody got a link for the Erie vs Soo game?

  14. Yak2 says:

    Man, the more I read about Provorov, the more I want him. Any way we could package Pitt’s 1st (15th or 16th) and one of second rounders to move up a bit? Or here’s to hoping he falls to us ala Cam Fowler

  15. Tire Fire says:

    Just caught the last couple of minutes of the Erie/Sault game. Nurse and McDavid both looking like pretty good players out there.

  16. Yak2 says:

    thepeetso,

    It’s on Sportsnet 360

  17. thepeetso says:

    Yak2,

    This I know.

    But work is lame. no TV.

    So a link would be sweet.

  18. Tire Fire says:

    thepeetso,

    I found it on stream2watch

  19. thepeetso says:

    Tire Fire,

    You’re a gentleman and a scholar.

  20. Tire Fire says:

    thepeetso:
    Tire Fire,

    You’re a gentleman and a scholar.

    False.

  21. VanOil says:

    Adam Musil sighting! Thanks LT

  22. GCW_69 says:

    If Chiarelli signs Soderberg, and given Soderberg plays centre and left wing, does he trade one of Hall, Nuge, or Pouliot for a defender or a goalie? I don’t think he can add a $4.5m to $5.5m cap hit for Soderberg without trading one of those three.

    Given the state of the free agent market for goalies and defenders, it would not shock me at all.

  23. Tire Fire says:

    Nurse sure loves cross checking.

    Perfect.

  24. Ducey says:

    Tire Fire:
    Nurse sure loves cross checking.

    Perfect.

    Yeah. Very Pronger like.

  25. nelson88 says:

    Huge Nurse fan and you can certainly see the awesome physical skills. Only caught the 2nd period but thought he was trying to do too much and got caught playing “rover” a little too much.

  26. Unicorns says:

    GCW_69:
    If Chiarelli signs Soderberg,and given Soderberg plays centre and left wing,does he trade one of Hall,Nuge,or Pouliot for a defender or a goalie? I don’t think he can add a $4.5m to $5.5m cap hit for Soderberg without trading one of those three.

    Given the state of the free agent market for goalies and defenders,it would not shock me at all.

    Soderberg is a peak .5 ish player and probably declining soon because age. He can replace Pou or anyone down the line from there and if he can play RW he can do a decent job at 2 RW. If you trade Hall you have no elite LW. If you trade Nuge you have no 1 C. If you trade Eberle you have a ‘possible’ 1 RW in Yak (I’m not changing his drafted position until he can ‘nail’ the one he can do well) or two good RW with Yak and Sods.

    JMHO

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  28. elgruntus says:

    Braylon Shmyr … any relation to former Oiler Kaptain Paul Shmyr?

  29. Pouzar says:

    Nurse takes a silly penalty. And of course Erie scores with our McJesus getting the asst.

    Killer

  30. Tire Fire says:

    Oooohhh, Nurse goes to the box to feel shame and Erie scores…

  31. Mr DeBakey says:

    Young Travis Dermott looks like he’d be a fine addition for the Vancouver Canux.

  32. Alpine says:

    GCW_69,

    I don’t think you sign Soderberg to any amount that makes you consider moving Hall or Nuge to better utilize cap space. He’s not better than either, just more versatile. If I’m looking for a versatile vet that can play both C and W, I try to find someone cheaper even if they aren’t as good. I hate the idea of moving RNH now until we know how good Leon will be, because McDavid-RNH could kill teams so much that you might not need a true 1D to win. McDavid will probably torch weak lines off the bat, and maybe middling lines, but I’m not trading my best PvP centreman just yet.

    Hall and RNH would have to bring back like a top five goalie, considering guys that round out the top ten to fifteen can vary from year to year and generally can be had for considerably less. And none of the top five guys outside of Price, maybe Rask have both good contracts and age on their side. Of young top ten guys, WSH won’t move Holtby at 25 for a F. CBJ probably wouldn’t move Bobrovsky either. Ditto Varlamov.

  33. SkatinginSand says:

    In the last thread, there was comment on Staples stating that McDavid is being “protected” by being used as a winger in the defensive zone.

    On an opposition rush, many teams want the first forward back to provide backpressure on the puck, right down to the corner. The second man covers the high slot, the third strong side high support. This is nothing new.

    What is fairly new is that now is that with a 2 man high defensive zone system, the first man back often now continues to cover the traditional centre position, supporting defencemen in the corner and protecting the high slot when the puck is on the point. The second and third forward continue to play the traditional winger positions.

    I am open to correction, but this appears to be what is happening with the Otters. McDavid is often deep on the forecheck, thus being second or third forward into his zone and by default taking the winger responsibilities.

  34. Alpine says:

    Unicorns,

    McDavid will be a 1C but he will still need time to break in and even then two 1Cs would be blessing even in absence of a true 1D.

  35. Tire Fire says:

    Ducey,

    Hah, the crowd has started booing whenever Nurse has the puck.

    Perfect.

  36. square_wheels says:

    Good googley moogely Nurse is a wonderful skater. It’s such a shame minor hockey doesn’t solely focus on skating mechanics for the first few years, those deep long strides are learned at the beginning. Blades on the ice kids, you don’t go fast chopping air.

  37. Pouzar says:

    I dunno how anyone can watch Nurse and have any doubts. What a sequence there.
    That McDavid guy is alright too.

  38. Tire Fire says:

    I think he needs to calm down a bit and take fewer high risk chances, but Nurse has got a hell of a toolkit. Really top notch skating.

  39. Alpine says:

    Watching Nurse do his CFP impression out there also has me thinking we’ll finally get that rookie phenom on D that these other teams always seem to get.

  40. square_wheels says:

    Oh man that backhand sauce

  41. Pouzar says:

    Tire Fire:
    I think he needs to calm down a bit and take fewer high risk chances, but Nurse has got a hell of a toolkit.Really top notch skating.

    McJesus catches Nurse up ice and makes him pay.

  42. square_wheels says:

    Erie D is some slow when 25 not out there roaming

  43. nelson88 says:

    Nice chance for Nurse but when the best junior age player on the planet is on the ice play your position. He has been below the hash marks a tonne. if tonight’s game is any indication Nurse is getting some bad habits playing junior. Dumb NHL rules

  44. Tire Fire says:

    Pouzar: McJesus catches Nurse up ice and makes him pay.

    There was also one play earlier where McDavid thought he was safe and slowed down. Nurse caught up a good 25 feet and harassed him enough to nullify the play. Two really good players right there.

  45. Unicorns says:

    Alpine:
    Unicorns,

    McDavid will be a 1C but he will still need time to break in and even then two 1Cs would be blessing even in absence of a true 1D.

    Yes, I meant now he is the only one. And please no one should disparage him because the Oilers have a chance to draft McD. Nuge will make as good a 1 C as Datsyuk soon enough – remember his age and his help so far.

    We should feel as lucky as we are to now.

  46. nelson88 says:

    Pouzar:
    I dunno how anyone can watch Nurse and have any doubts. What a sequence there.
    That McDavid guy is alright too.

    the sequence where he got burned and left his D partner and Nick Ritchie hanging? one game sample size but he has not played smart tonight. yes, he has amazing tools and is a very smart guy but trying to do way too much.

  47. Pouzar says:

    Tire Fire: There was also one play earlier where McDavid thought he was safe and slowed down. Nurse caught up a good 25 feet and harassed him enough to nullify the play.Two really good players right there.

    I think Nurse is smart enough to know he can’t away with playing rover in the pros and that he needs to pick his spots. I love his ability to rush the puck up ice from deep in his own end. He just needs to head man the puck and hang back in the NHL and he’ll be gold.

  48. nelson88 says:

    Tire Fire: There was also one play earlier where McDavid thought he was safe and slowed down. Nurse caught up a good 25 feet and harassed him enough to nullify the play.Two really good players right there.

    Again, big Nurse fan. Saw that play as well. Not trying to be disagreeable but those exact words were uttered by Louie DeBrusk in one of Jutz’s first games when he got caught up ice and managed to get pack for a poke check. It quickly got old.

  49. Tire Fire says:

    nelson88,

    Oh, yeah, he’s got to learn to pick his spots more carefully. But wow is he fun to watch. He’ll be a gooder.

  50. Rondo says:

    nelson88,

    They need goals and Nurse did not play like that in World Jrs. because of better competition.

  51. Kitchener says:

    This is junior hockey at it’s finest.

    Bursting with energy, a few loose ends, and the best players dominate.

    What a series.

  52. steveb12344 says:

    Unicorns: Yes, I meant now he is the only one. And please no one should disparage him because the Oilers have a chance to draft McD. Nuge will make as good a 1 C as Datsyuk soon enough – remember his age and his help so far.

    We should feel as lucky as we are to now.

    We had better just hope that Chia realizes this. I would hate for him to see that McD makes Nuge kind of redundant with Drai also in the fold.

  53. OilOnslaught "formerly Unicorns" says:

    With good coaching and management, players and especially young players won’t be the deciderers anymore.

    It’s hard to call people to accountability and reality in a perfect way even at the NHL level. Sometimes they call it loyalty or trust.

  54. square_wheels says:

    Baptiste won’t forget this game regardless of where his career ends up, nice 2nd round pick for the Sabres

  55. OilOnslaught "formerly Unicorns" says:

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  56. stush18 says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    6. Ryan Pilon, Brandon Wheat Kings. Pilon has size, speed and is a very good passer. There is some question about his defensive ability but the size/speed combination will be impossible for NHL teams to resist. Very likely to be taken into the top 30.

    Does this fine young man have a position?

    I got to play agaonst him when he played AAA for pa and he was absolutely dominant. He was by far the best player on the ice, and that was as a rookie. He had such silky smooth hands and he made plays that would create turnovera, because guys werent expecting the puck. I actually expected him to be ranked higher this year, but its a very deep draft.

    Also he would sometimes run around as a forqard, although im not sure if its because he was just messing around or if the coaches were actually curious

  57. OilOnslaught "formerly Unicorns" says:

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  58. GCW_69 says:

    Alpine:
    GCW_69,

    I don’t think you sign Soderberg to any amount that makes you consider moving Hall or Nuge to better utilize cap space. He’s not better than either, just more versatile. If I’m looking for a versatile vet that can play both C and W, I try to find someone cheaper even if they aren’t as good. I hate the idea of moving RNH now until we know how good Leon will be, because McDavid-RNH could kill teams so much that you might not need a true 1D to win. McDavid will probably torch weak lines off the bat, and maybe middling lines, but I’m not trading my best PvP centreman just yet.

    Hall and RNH would have to bring back like a top five goalie, considering guys that round out the top tento fifteen can vary from year to yearand generally can be had for considerably less. And none of the top five guys outside of Price, maybe Rask have both good contracts and age on their side. Of young top ten guys, WSH won’t move Holtby at 25 for a F. CBJ probably wouldn’t move Bobrovsky either. Ditto Varlamov.

    Boston has cap issues. What if they were wiling to move Rask?

  59. OilOnslaught "formerly Unicorns" says:

    stush18: I got to play agaonst him when he played AAA for pa and he was absolutely dominant. He was by far the best player on the ice, and that was as a rookie. He had such silky smooth hands and he made plays that would create turnovera, because guys werent expecting the puck. I actually expected him to be ranked higher this year, but its a very deep draft.

    Also he would sometimes run around as a forqard, although im not sure if its because he was just messing around or if the coaches were actually curious

    Thanks for sharing that. Thanks for being humble too about your hockey skills!

  60. square_wheels says:

    Why do DJ’s insist on ruining great sports moments with Kool and the Gang ?

  61. Pouzar says:

    Paul Almeida ‏@AzorcanGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
    3 games to 1 for Erie over the Soo. Nurse may be in OKC before long. Great games in this series though. #Oilers

    hmmmm

  62. stush18 says:

    OilOnslaught “formerly Unicorns”: Thanks for sharing that. Thanks for being humble too about your hockey skills!

    Haha trying to stay in the glory days!

  63. Cahoon says:

    GCW_69,

    I doubt they part with Rask easily, even cap strapped.

  64. Dashingsilverfox says:

    GCW_69:
    If Chiarelli signs Soderberg,and given Soderberg plays centre and left wing,does he trade one of Hall,Nuge,or Pouliot for a defender or a goalie? I don’t think he can add a $4.5m to $5.5m cap hit for Soderberg without trading one of those three.

    Given the state of the free agent market for goalies and defenders,it would not shock me at all.

    A much better option is Shawn Matthias.

    He’s 6’4″ 255…plays both centre and wing and is about to become UFA.

    He scored 18 goals playing 3rd line minutes in Vancouver and had a cap hit of $1.75 million and will likely take about $2.5 million to sign.

    With the emergence of Horvat at #2C, the Canucks likely won’t be in a position to pay him what he deserves to play 4th line minutes since Nick Bonino will be bumped to #3C.

    The Canucks will likely go with Sedin, Horvat, Bonino and Richardson as their 4 C’s.

  65. Pouzar says:

    Dashingsilverfox: A much better option is Shawn Matthias.

    He’s 6’4″ 255…plays both centre and wing and is about to become UFA.

    He scored 18 goals playing 3rd line minutes in Vancouver and had a cap hit of $1.75 million and will likely take about $2.5 million to sign.

    With the emergence of Horvat at #2C, the Canucks likely won’t be in a position to pay him what he deserves to play 4th line minutes since Nick Bonino will be bumped to #3C.

    The Canucks will likely go with Sedin, Horvat, Bonino and Richardson as their 4 C’s.

    I think he is a very real possibility.

  66. John Chambers says:

    What do folks think about the Devils as a target for a defenseman and a blueliner? I could see New Jersey as a team hungry to add prospect depth for a resurgence in a few years.

    The Oilers can offer up a plethora of draft picks along with Schultz and or Yakupov.

    The target(s) would obviously be Schneider – who has probably prevented them from picking top-4, and a vet D like Greene or Larsson.

    Could be a good fit for each others’ needs.

  67. Pouzar says:

    John Chambers:
    What do folks think about the Devils as a target for a defenseman and a blueliner? I could see New Jersey as a team hungry to add prospect depth for a resurgence in a few years.

    The Oilers can offer up a plethora of draft picks along with Schultz and or Yakupov.

    The target(s) would obviously be Schneider – who has probably prevented them from picking top-4, and a vet D like Greene or Larsson.

    Could be a good fit for each others’ needs.

    Gelinas has been rumored to be on the block.

  68. OilOnslaught "formerly Unicorns" says:

    Dashingsilverfox: A much better option is Shawn Matthias.

    He’s 6’4″ 255…plays both centre and wing and is about to become UFA.

    He scored 18 goals playing 3rd line minutes in Vancouver and had a cap hit of $1.75 million and will likely take about $2.5 million to sign.

    With the emergence of Horvat at #2C, the Canucks likely won’t be in a position to pay him what he deserves to play 4th line minutes since Nick Bonino will be bumped to #3C.

    The Canucks will likely go with Sedin, Horvat, Bonino and Richardson as their 4 C’s.

    I’m on the fence about him, and it hurts, a lot 🙂

    Skill, assertiveness, quickness, sense are what wins. Is he that?

  69. Dashingsilverfox says:

    OilOnslaught “formerly Unicorns”: I’m on the fence about him, and it hurts, a lot

    Skill, assertiveness, quickness, sense are what wins. Is he that?

    I think so.

    Sometimes a player just needs a second opinion and an opportunity.

  70. stush18 says:

    OilOnslaught “formerly Unicorns”: I’m on the fence about him, and it hurts, a lot

    Skill, assertiveness, quickness, sense are what wins. Is he that?

    I think he has enough to warrant playing the minutes that he does. He looked a lot better since coming over from florida in my opinion

  71. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Great suggestion. Forgot about him. He is exactly what this team needs. Benning gave his money to Dorsett so he should shake loose.

  72. PunjabiOil says:

    Fuck rivers…McDavid is pushing mountains.

  73. Dashingsilverfox says:

    John Chambers:
    What do folks think about the Devils as a target for a defenseman and a blueliner? I could see New Jersey as a team hungry to add prospect depth for a resurgence in a few years.

    The Oilers can offer up a plethora of draft picks along with Schultz and or Yakupov.

    The target(s) would obviously be Schneider – who has probably prevented them from picking top-4, and a vet D like Greene or Larsson.

    Could be a good fit for each others’ needs.

    The Devils need someone who can score.

    They won’t give up Schneider to get scoring and Yakupov finished 177th in league goal scoring this season.

    Marc Arcobello would be a better option.

  74. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    John Chambers,

    Schneider and Larsson or Schneider and Gelinas would cost so much it’s painful. Schneider is an elite goalie. He proved that this year behind a bad team. No Schneider and the Devils would have been below Edmonton in the standings.

    Other than McDavid, to land both, it would cost something like two firsts and Yakupov or Draisaitl, a 1st and a 2nd.

    Jersey got Schneider for Horvat straight up and that was a steal for them. The price has gone up since for sure. Add in a young D and that’s going to be far too painful a price to pay.

  75. Rondo says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”,

    Damon Severson maybe their best D-man

  76. gr8one says:

    Dashingsilverfox: A much better option is Shawn Matthias.

    He’s 6’4″ 255…plays both centre and wing and is about to become UFA.

    He scored 18 goals playing 3rd line minutes in Vancouver and had a cap hit of $1.75 million and will likely take about $2.5 million to sign.

    With the emergence of Horvat at #2C, the Canucks likely won’t be in a position to pay him what he deserves to play 4th line minutes since Nick Bonino will be bumped to #3C.

    The Canucks will likely go with Sedin, Horvat, Bonino and Richardson as their 4 C’s.

    I like the idea of Soderberg but I agree that Matthias, to my eye anyways, would be a better fit. He’s a couple years younger too, which I think fits better with the core going forward.

    The UFA I want from the B’s is Adam McQuaid, Big…with a bit of a mean streak and right at that age(28) where D men like that really put everything together. Our next Jason Smith if you will.

  77. Klima's_Bucket says:

    I have watched Matthias a lot in Florida and he barely plays centre.
    I like his size but he isn’t great at face-offs.
    For what he’ll be asking for this summer I would pass if I was Chia Pete.

  78. OilOnslaught "formerly Unicorns" says:

    gr8one: I like the idea of Soderberg but I agree that Matthias, to my eye anyways, would be a better fit. He’s a couple years younger too, which I think fits better with the core going forward.

    The UFA I want from the B’s is Adam McQuaid, Big…with a bit of a mean streak and right at that age(28) where D men like that really put everything together. Our next Jason Smith if you will.

    The only question is if we need a Gator in today’s game? Quick puck retrieval not involving overt violence is almost certainly how the league goes. To face another law suit after the first may not prove to be winnable and devastating.

  79. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Rondo:
    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”,

    Damon Severson maybe their best D-man

    Might be. Not arguing that. I saw him a little early on when he was doing well but he faltered second half. We shall see. Targeting a D-Man makes sense.

    Longtime readers would know I was pitching to buy low on Larsson all of last season when he was struggling and DeBoer was benching him and demoting him. Really wish we could have done it. Swap a lefthanded D plus a pick for him as he is rightie and perfect for the Oilers.

    That ship has now sailed with his late season play this year after DeBoer. Yakupov straight across wouldn’t be enough anymore.

    But I’d say there’s almost no chance Schneider is a realistic target at this stage.

  80. John Chambers says:

    The problem with Schneider is that the Devils are so uncompetitive and will be for the foreseeable future that Schneider actually prevents them from finishing low enough to draft an impact player.

    Meanwhile New Jersey should logically want to build around a core group that emerges 3 years from now when Larsson / Gelinas will be in their prime and they can build the offense around Marner and Yak who should both be sniping by then.

    New Jersey is that they won’t win anything with Zajac-Henrique as their top Centres so their ask would have to be focused on Draisaitl.

  81. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    I have watched Matthias a lot in Florida and he barely plays centre.
    I like his size but he isn’t great at face-offs.
    For what he’ll be asking for this summer I would pass if I was Chia Pete.

    Matthias won 45% of his face-offs…the same as Hopkins and way better than Draisaitl (40%).

    $2.5 million for a big 3rd line centre who scored 18 goals is a bargain.

  82. OilOnslaught "formerly Unicorns" says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Matthias won 45% of his face-off…the same as Hopkins and way better than Draisaitl (40%).

    $2.5 million for a big 3rd line centre who scored 18 goals is a bargain.

    It is but we now we have to trust things are different and that speed is king. To not have a high tempo aggressive style (offensively first, not being intimidated second) would be a crime now as things have happened. It was an injustice before. Another transgression at this juncture will tear the Golden Goose’s………….. of the ………………………..

    ………………………..

    I know I’ll be finally severed from them.

    How much luck does one team expect?

  83. striker says:

    PunjabiOil,

    Amen paji

  84. admiralmark says:

    LT nice job ruffling everyones feathers over at ON site.

  85. RexLibris says:

    A few days ago I figured that Joe Colborne, who is listed as a center but plays almost exclusively now on the wing, took about 4.3 faceoffs per game this season.

    At the same time I figured Tyler Seguin, who also is listed as a center but, again, plays heavily on the wing, took about 6.2 faceoffs per game this season.

    Shawn Matthias is listed in some places as a center but is also deployed heavily on the wing. Matthias took 1.7 faceoffs per game this past season.

    While these may be useful players relative to their respective roles, defining them as centers could be best described as not entirely accurate, regardless of their FO%.

  86. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Matthias won 45% of his face-offs…the same as Hopkins and way better than Draisaitl (40%).

    $2.5 million for a big 3rd line centre who scored 18 goals is a bargain.

    Nuge also took about 1100 more face-offs than Matthias.
    Draisaitl took double the amount of face-offs Matthias did in half the games.
    Both those guys should see improvement in the dot as they get man strength.
    I wouldn’t be concerned if Chiarelli didn’t offer the winger Matthias a deal.

  87. Lowetide says:

    admiralmark:
    LT nice job ruffling everyones feathers over at ON site.

    Ha! It was an attempt to do the opposite!

  88. RexLibris says:

    admiralmark:
    LT nice job ruffling everyones feathers over at ON site.

    That came up in the previous thread.

    Here’s what I said then:

    RexLibris: This is Chiarelli keeping mum on the topic.

    If he lets on to other GMs that he isn’t opposed to it, they’ll call and throw ideas at him.

    Then he begins to get a picture of who they value and to what extent.

    Let people call. All it takes is a little bit of time and you get to hear names being thrown around that maybe you never realized were even on the block.

    Next thing you know you’re trading Gernat and a 2nd for an established veteran defenseman.

  89. gr8one says:

    RexLibris:
    A few days ago I figured that Joe Colborne, who is listed as a center but plays almost exclusively now on the wing, took about 4.3 faceoffs per game this season.

    At the same time I figured Tyler Seguin, who also is listed as a center but, again, plays heavily on the wing, took about 6.2 faceoffs per game this season.

    Shawn Matthias is listed in some places as a center but is also deployed heavily on the wing. Matthias took 1.7 faceoffs per game this past season.

    While these may be useful players relative to their respective roles, defining them as centers could be best described as not entirely accurate, regardless of their FO%.

    Indeed…I was certain Matthias had played more center and had a better fo%.

  90. RexLibris says:

    gr8one,

    He was drafted as one, same as Colborne, and played there for a while in Florida, but with the Canucks he was transitioned to the wing because they had more capable players at that position. Again, same as Colborne.

    There was talk of the Oilers doing this last year before they traded Gagner, but they never had the depth to make it work. He was the faulty pistol in a drawer full of rusty knives, so they went to war with him in spite of it.

    Matthias might be a good replacement for Pitlick, but not for Gordon or Lander, who are likely to occupy the 3/4C spots.

  91. eastcoastoil says:

    Side note- everytime I see Peter Chairelli I picture Tom Cruise from Tropic Thunder

  92. RexLibris says:

    eastcoastoil:
    Side note- everytime I see Peter Chairelli I picture Tom Cruise from Tropic Thunder

    I always equated that character with Bruce Boudreau.

    That was one hell of a performance, though. Cruise, that is. Not Boudreau.

  93. Younger Oil says:

    Really good article on TSN, Chia is in a good state of mind it seems.

    http://www.tsn.ca/chiarelli-enjoys-mcdavid-nurse-battle-1.269743

  94. loveblast says:

    Younger Oil:
    Really good article on TSN, Chia is in a good state of mind it seems.

    http://www.tsn.ca/chiarelli-enjoys-mcdavid-nurse-battle-1.269743

    I like Peter’s attitude about McDavid being challenged by going against a physical guy like Nurse. The old iron sharpens iron. Craig’s attitude was something like “don’t hurt him”, in a story last week.

  95. Kmart99 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: The Devils need someone who can score.

    They won’t give up Schneider to get scoring and Yakupov finished 177th in league goal scoring this season.

    Marc Arcobello would be a better option.

    Do you really think Arcobello has more trade value than Yakupov? You don’t think his rookie year, age, and draft pedigree still carry some weight? What about the idea that the oilers don’t know how to handle prospects? That is the perception around the league isn’t it?

    Despite the higher point totals this year, I’d still be baffled if even 1 gm valued ARCO more than Yak.

  96. Ca$h-Money! says:

    All three of the Hurricanes you listed are worth a look, though all should be available in later rounds.

    I would suggest Burke is likely not to get drafted based on size (he’s a very skinny kid, maybe 160 soaking wet) but he’s got tremendous vision and good skating. With some progress I can see him having a career but that would require continued progress, he’s the type of small skilled kid that might go as an over-ager or work his way up the chain like Winquist.

    Estaphan needs to be looked at pre and post firing of coach (Oilers fans know a thing or two about this). While Lethbridge didn’t light the world on fire in the second half it was a massive difference after they changed coaches, and it likely affected Estaphan more than anyone. He was not a favorite of the old coach but the new one saw what he could bring and played him with skill (Tyler Wong) which led to a nice pickup in his offense. Reasonable size, good skating, good player with some upside.

    Andrew Nielsen is a personal favorite of mine. Fierce competitor, extremely focused and mature kid. Very hard shot but gets very limited PP time (Kord Pankewicz is the QB). Plays the most difficult minutes by far on the team, and does a good job limiting the bleeding. He was out for a couple of weeks with a hand injury and the shots against per game spiked up by about 10 (to 60 or so).

    Can we use a late round pick to reserve Skinner for a few years from now? He looks like he’s going to be a top flight goaltending prospect. 6’4 200 pounds as a 15 year old, won the starting job before his 16th birthday this November.

  97. Ivan says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Late to this discussion, but I have to agree with Mr. Fox on Matthias, there’s a lot to like there. Watched him play 8+ times this year, and he was Dejardin’s most trusted centre in all defensive situations. Great skater, and actually uses that big frame to hit, and to seperate the puck from the D. At $2-2.5, he’d be helpful as 3/4 centre, or as noted here, either wing.

  98. Ivan says:

    eastcoastoil,

    eastcoastoil:
    Side note- everytime I see Peter Chairelli I picture Tom Cruise from Tropic Thunder

    I just spit oatmeal all over my laptop. Hilarious! Can we start calling him Les Grossman right now? That way, later when the crowd here begins to hate on him, we can say “Well he’s a less gross man than we had…” (Gene?, Gene, is that you in my head???)

  99. GCW_69 says:

    Pouzar: John Chambers:
    What do folks think about the Devils as a target for a defenseman and a blueliner? I could see New Jersey as a team hungry to add prospect depth for a resurgence in a few years.
    The Oilers can offer up a plethora of draft picks along with Schultz and or Yakupov.
    The target(s) would obviously be Schneider – who has probably prevented them from picking top-4, and a vet D like Greene or Larsson.
    Could be a good fit for each others’ needs.
    Gelinas has been rumored to be on the block.

    Lou is almost guaranteed to shop a young defender for a forward. Gelinas is the guy rumoured to go, but he sent a great fit for the Oilers. The Oilers need Larsson or maybe Severson.

    I would be looking at what it would take to grab Larsson. Would Yakupov or Leon be the core of a deal?

    Severson is young, but he really rocked it this season. Only way he is a fit for the Oilers is if Schultz is on the way out because you can’t bank on him doing as well next year.

  100. OilSafety says:

    eastcoastoil,

    Absolutely!

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