JESUS WAS A CAPRICORN

“I remember a conversation I had with Windsor Spitfires forward Joshua Ho Sang last spring before he was chosen late in the first round by the New York Islanders. I asked Ho Sang about his time spent with McDavid with the Toronto Marlboros minor midget AAA team in 2011-12. Ho Sang told me that everyone knows how gifted a player he is but no one ever seems to talk about his work ethic. Ho Sang said McDavid didn’t drop onto the Earth with all this talent, he truly worked at it. Ho Sang said he’s known McDavid since the age of 9 and feels his work ethic is what has gotten him this far and will take him to even greater heights in the future.” Mike Morreale, NHL.com

“If there is any player in the NHL that I would like to become, it’s Pavel Datysuk. He has amazing offensive skills but is also someone that the coach can put on in the last 30 seconds in a one goal game because he is also very defensive minded. He is the complete 2-way player”.Connor McDavid, when asked if there was anyone in the NHL he looks at and says ‘that’s the player I’d like to become’? (2012 interview)

“He’s as good as I’ve seen in the last 30 years, the best player to come into the league in the last 30 years, the best to come along since (Mario) Lemieux and (Sidney) Crosby. He can definitely change a franchise’s fortunes.” Wayne Gretzky talking about McDavid.

TAYLOR HALL

Taylor Hall endured an injury-riddled regular season and once again finished outside the playoffs as a member of the Edmonton Oilers. He appears to be taking it out on goalies at the WHC’s, and it’s showing in the overall scoring parade:

  1. Taylor Hall 4GP, 5-3-8
  2. Evgeni Dadanov 4GP, 3-5-8
  3. Loui Eriksson 4GP, 3-4-7
  4. Filip Forsberg 4GP, 5-1-6
  5. several others at six points

I honestly think Hall is sending a message: Don’t you forget about me. This should be a stunning offensive team right soon!

I’ll admit to not really knowing one damn thing about hockey chemistry in regard to lines, but would dearly love to see the young Russian get a shot at being the shotgun rider on what we all believe will be the McDavid—Hall 1line this fall. Eberle has chem with Hall, so that may be the plan, but for me Yakupov’s rocket from the off side could be dynamite for this line.

Thoughts?

I don’t see it, honestly. The Nuge has blossomed as a fine two-way center and his line is going to be very important for the Oilers as they drive north from the bottom of the second division. Nuge can be deployed in any role, and with Anton Lander (having a terrific WHC himself) the team suddenly has ridiculous C depth.

  • Hall—McDavid—Yakupov
  • Pouliot—Nuge—Eberle

And then find some wingers for Lander. The Oilers forward group is borderline insane the moment McDavid’s name is called.

 

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  1. leadfarmer says:

    Sure lets trade Nuge and start the season with 2 teenage centers. What could ever go wrong?

    I actually think that after McHockey Jesus, the Nuge will be the second best player.

    Now find me some defensemen and a goalie that can stop a beach ball.

  2. Pajamah says:

    What a time for Lander and Yakupov. Both really proved themselves and showed what they potentially can be in the right circumstance.

    Add McDavid to this team, and Lander and Yakupov will likely get even easier at bats ( if it’s 4-97-10 top line, but then the at bats become t-ball).

    Lander hasnt set the world on fire at the WHC like Hall, but he has a glimmer in his eye. This kid is there.

    Let Klefbom play the right side with OEL, and find him a top pairing guy to do the same in Edmonton.

  3. blainer says:

    This is RNH’s year… Hall and CMD are gonna draw the best opponents D.. Nuge breaks 90pts next year… if he stays healthy.. Love the thought of Yak with CMD but am worried playing Yak with a rookie center.. have a feeling Yak gets traded.. It was Entertaining in the last thread about trading for a D like Jones before his is unattainable … that is exactly how I feel about MM… someone is gonna get a DANDY D there.. There is no world where I trade MM.. Didn’t we just witness this gaffe with Petry..

  4. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    It would be a bad idea to trade Nuge. At some point one of Nuge or Drai may have to be moved but why now unless its something giant.

  5. RexLibris says:

    I’ll admit to not really knowing one damn thing about hockey chemistry in regard to lines, but would dearly love to see the young Russian get a shot at being the shotgun rider on what we all believe will be the McDavid—Hall 1line this fall. Eberle has chem with Hall, so that may be the plan, but for me Yakupov’s rocket from the off side could be dynamite for this line.

    Thoughts?

    People always think speed and shot with Hall, but his playmaking and passing are underestimated.

    I’ve seen him several times race down the wing and saucer a pass over a sprawling defender that lands at exactly the right spot for his partner. All the guy had to do was keep up with Hall and put his stick on the ice.

    McDavid can do the same damn thing a dozen times a game.

    And we’ve talked about how good Yakupov can be as a passer as well this last season.

    All three can shoot, in fact I’d argue Hall is the weakest of the bunch in that regard.

    So, yeah, Yakupov, Hall and McDavid is one hell of line that could scoot down the ice faster than summer in Edmonton.

  6. blainer says:

    Nuge and CMD ARE the two pieces that will never be traded.. bank on it.. Nuge next year will be a cross of Tyler Seguin this year and Pavel Datsyuk’s best year. You don’t trade those guys.. Once they’ve grown up…lol.. I’m tlakin about you Seguin…

  7. RexLibris says:

    Pajamah: Lander hasnt set the world on fire at the WHC like Hall, but he has a glimmer in his eye. This kid is there.

    Relative to Lander’s abilities and history-to-date, I’d argue he has to some extent.

    He’s the captain of the team, and their 1st line center when last fall he was on waivers by the worst team in the league.

    I think he’s posted notice to anyone who’d care to pay attention. Hall and Ekman-Larsson are the belles of the ball right now, though. And rightly so.

  8. Richard S.S. says:

    I always thought that when Connor McDavid is an Oiler, you wouldn’t form lines, just pairs. Centers Nugent-Hopkins, McDavid, Draisaitl, Lander and Gordon get matched up with their best Winger. Then stick with each pair whoever matches best of what’s left. After twenty games, you should know what you must do.

  9. blainer says:

    RexLibris: People always think speed and shot with Hall, but his playmaking and passing are underestimated.

    I’ve seen him several times race down the wing and saucer a pass over a sprawling defender that lands at exactly the right spot for his partner. All the guy had to do was keep up with Hall and put his stick on the ice.

    McDavid can do the same damn thing a dozen times a game.

    And we’ve talked about how good Yakupov can be as a passer as well this last season.

    All three can shoot, in fact I’d argue Hall is the weakest of the bunch in that regard.

    So, yeah, Yakupov, Hall and McDavid is one hell of line that could scoot down the ice faster than summer in Edmonton.

    That would be excellent to watch.. but… who is gonna make up for hall’s gaffes in the defensive zone and Yak’s lack of positioning. That line would be Dynamite on the PP but will give us nightmares in the D zone..

  10. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    I want to see marginal players out and fresh people in that can mak a difference because I think it can turn fast if the reset button is hit and the team mindset is shocked .

    Going too slow might mess things up because the team is full colts waiting to gallop.

    By trade or by trick.

    Willis idea about Grabner is good. Move anyone not contributing on more than one level.

    Nikitin Ference Schultz Purcell Klink Roy out.

    Franson Grabner Michalek established goalie McDavid in.

  11. Richard S.S. says:

    Playoffs and International Play are a bonus for Oiler Players. You can see how they do and whether they are effective under the biggest lights. Where there was doubt, let there be none.

  12. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    blainer: That would be excellent to watch.. but… who is gonna make up for hall’s gaffes in the defensive zone and Yak’s lack of positioning. That line would be Dynamite on the PP but will give us nightmaresin the D zone..

    One thing about having lottery players as your youth is far higher than normal motivation. Once there is something to play for you don’t think these fine lads aren’t going to gut themselves to win?

    Especially with a great coach like Babcock or McLellan?

    It’s on already.

  13. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    I feel for Nelson but if he moves on and the Oilers take off coming from the org will make him look golden

  14. blainer says:

    Rip Fan Winkle “OilOnslaught”: One thing about having lottery players as your youth is far higher than normal motivation. Once there is something to play for you don’t think these fine lads aren’t going to gut themselves to win?

    Especially with a great coach like Babcock or McLellan?

    It’s on already.

    I take it you mean that with the arrival CMD he will make everybody around him better including Hall and Yak.. and their lack of defensive awareness? Ok I can buy that .. CMD WILL make every player on the team want to play harder… that I do believe.. The part about the coaching is also a good point.. One HAS to believe Babs can fix Yak .. So Ok lets give it a try HALL CMD and YAK… if Babs is Coach..

  15. Mr DeBakey says:

    I’ve never heard of Kevin McGran, is he the Oilers depth consultant?

  16. Optimism is like heroin says:

    One of our centers will have to be moved later than sooner as we have 3 top tier centers that will all eventually want top dollars. However no one should be moved till Connor is off his elc and Draistl is through his bridge contract. Before that it is premature in the extreme unless the return is akin to the return for Lindros was.

  17. Mr DeBakey says:

    From this morning’s thread:

    rickithebear:
    Phanuef is as bad as Petry and Schultz on letting HS penetration on the right side.
    I want to F……………. win!
    Throws up thinking of Chicken dance on D.

    So, play him on the Left Side!

    Also, I thought HS meant Healthy Scratch, as in “That idiot Eakins made Petry a Healthy Scratch last night”

  18. spoiler says:

    I’d much rather see someone with some physicality on McDavid’s wing… someone who can dig the puck out of the corners, go to the net well, play defense, and defend our 1st overall’s honour when teams try to run him.

    I’ve always thought hockey in terms of pairs too… whether that be McD and Hall or McD and Yak or whomever. Find the grit guys you can mix in there, much like Pouls and the Nuge line.

    This is an embarrassment of riches though, and they can’t all get paid or get the ice time they deserve. Someone good up front will not be here for the glory days.

  19. spoiler says:

    Kristofferson remarked that Prine wrote songs so good that “we’ll have to break his thumbs”.

    Don’t know if you saw this earlier, LT:

    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/california-golden-seals-hockey-documentary

    https://twitter.com/sealshockeydoc

    Apparently the gent does radio interviews too.

  20. Lowetide says:

    spoiler:
    Kristofferson remarked that Prine wrote songs so good that “we’ll have to break his thumbs”.

    Don’t know if you saw this earlier, LT:

    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/california-golden-seals-hockey-documentary

    https://twitter.com/sealshockeydoc

    Apparently the gent does radio interviews too.

    Yeah I had him on a couple weeks ago. Fabulous guy , can’t wait for the documentary.

  21. Ducey says:

    Dadanov!

    Just a reminder about sample size

  22. cabbiesmacker says:

    spoiler:
    Kristofferson remarked that Prine wrote songs so good that “we’ll have to break his thumbs”.

    John Prine is a God. He and JJ Cale (R.I.P.), both. Sigh.

    Happy Enchiladas.

  23. LoDog says:

    Who is this mcgran joker?

    Never trade nuge, never, ever.

    Hall nuge yak
    Pouliot cmd eberle

  24. square_wheels says:

    spoiler,

    Is Stafford physical enough ?

  25. flyfish1168 says:

    Hall—McDavid—Yakupov
    Pouliot—Nuge—Eberle
    XXX— Lander —-Draistal

    XXX=

    1) Michael Frolik
    2)Chris stewart
    3) Eric Fehr

    I’d like to see one of these 3 players on our third line
    Leon as a winger

  26. Ryan says:

    Watching the bolts play Montreal tonight.

    I am seeing some kid named Jeff Petry good, so far.

    I hear he’s a UFA this summer.

  27. Ryan says:

    Where are my buddies GMoney and Woodguy lately?

  28. square_wheels says:

    flyfish1168,

    That’s a solid 3 but I’d add Matthias as a potential LW/C.

    It’s still the D that’s going to make us a bubble team or a legit threat in the west.

    Mike Green fills a lot of needs, gonna be an overpay but where do RHD that can run a PP come from?

  29. Optimism is like heroin says:

    Ryan,

    yah an all situations guy playing 23 min a night with 2 minutes on the pp and pk.

    Gee wish we had a guy like that

  30. square_wheels says:

    Ryan,

    Stop bringing up Petry, the wound is still too fresh.

    Instead lets figure out the ways Nurse can destroy our favourite Canucks. Kassian gets the elbow, Burrows the pile driver while turtling and Bieksa speared in the nuts.

    Sorry, I really hate Vancouver.

  31. Ryan says:

    Ryan:
    Where are my buddies GMoney and Woodguy lately?

    Bah, they’re both probably on cigarette boats right now trying to move all of their money off shore with this NDP government.

  32. square_wheels says:

    Hrudey just said “documetated”, is he still wearing that head band too tight ?

    Wow, SN coverage is almost as bad as living in Calgary with the Flames winning a playoff game.

  33. G Money says:

    Ryan,

    Yo Ryan!

    Not sure about WG, but I’ve been busy as f*** trying to manage my business! So I lurk a lot but don’t post much these last couple weeks. Today’s ‘Fayne’ post was the first substantial one in ages.

    In a bizarrely strange situation at the company – took a real shit kicking with the oil downturn. Things were looking real bleak for a while. Then out of the blue, a huge uptick in customer proposals.

    Just finished a $3M RFP last Friday, and spent this week at GeoConvention.

    If we close a few of these proposals (or one big one), we’ll be rocking for the rest of the year. If we don’t, I’ll probably have to reduce staff (maybe I’ll have to lay myself off … could use a summer off!).

  34. G Money says:

    Ryan,

    Heh heh. That too!

  35. SkatinginSand says:

    For a perfect example of Hall’s defensive abilities, watch Sweden’s fourth goal. You know, the one where he is spinning like a top while covering …… nobody. Although ,I do have to say, he is at least trying to be responsible.

    Putting an 18 yr. old centre with two defensively inept wingers would be a disaster, especially since they would be getting first line opposition. A big, fast, good forechecking winger who loves to go to the net (this would create space for the skill) would be perfect. You know, a right shooting Pouliot.

    During the first intermission, Washington winger Troy Brouwer, when asked why the Caps were shutting down the Rangers, “We quit trying to make plays at the blue line and we’re just getting it behind their defencemen.”

    Even though it was statistically proven in the early 2000s that an offensive blue line turnover is exponentially worse than one at your own blue line, Ray Ferraro will receive lots of abuse for pointing out that Hall cannot continually do that. As boring as it is, hockey today is much more about limiting the other team’s opportunities than it is about showing creativity.

  36. rich says:

    LoDog,

    Just another buffoon like Hagerty for NESN who has been trying to trade Lucic for Eberle the last 2 years. Why the Oilers would trade Nuge when they need help up the middle is all you need to know to measure his credibility.

    It’s silly season. Lot’s of trades being suggested at this time of the year to fill time and space. Most of what you see is the result of smoking too many drapes.

    What remains to be seen is what happens as we get closer to the draft. I think this could be a very surprising summer given all the teams with cap issues.

  37. OrangeandBlue says:

    Hey, I’m not sure if this was brought up in a different post, but there’s a new NHL cap site out. It’s a work in progress, but it’s a start in filling the void left by capgeek. Here is the link: http://www.generalfanager.com/ …I suck at attaching links but it’s still good for cutting and pasting if it didn’t work.

  38. Mr DeBakey says:

    cabbiesmacker: John Prine is a God. He and JJ Cale (R.I.P.), both. Sigh.

    Kinda Country eh?

    https://youtu.be/OwhLdr01c6U

  39. rickithebear says:

    Ryan:
    Watching the bolts play Montreal tonight.

    I am seeing some kid named Jeff Petry good, so far.

    I hear he’s a UFA this summer.

    Bah!
    You saw him old school people!
    His even defensive results cripple a team!

  40. G Money says:

    knighttown: Great stuff as always and I’d say the vets in general suffered a bit in the back half of the season. Gordon wore down too and his Corsi % ended up cratering. I’d like to see his graphs too. Possibly twofold for reasons?
    1. General wear down from handling insane zone starts and stiff competition on old knees and
    2. Primarily I’d say, Nelly really runs his lines in Sedin like fashion. Just pounded the easy minutes on to Schultz and Fayne and Ference were the other side of the coin.
    One thing I’d like to hear further from you on…Cor % isn’t a good measurement for a defenseman. I’d be open to hear that it “isn’t the best metric” or “has some issues as a metric” but how can it not be a good metric and shouldn’t it be at least better than Corsi against per 60.
    Hockey is a game of what you take minus what you leave and removing the take part must flaw the results.
    I would think Corsi against per 60 is almost useless…showing Smids and Aulies ahead of Subbans and Karlssons.

    In the previous thread, Knight asked an outstanding pair of questions so I thought it would be worthwhile to carry them forward and answer them here.

    So the first question with respect to Gordon produces quite an interesting result. He had an up-and-down year, but started to get locked into a solid groove starting at (his) game 48 and especially the last eight or so games at the end of the year … and then got hurt.

    http://i.imgur.com/oiY7lQI.png

    I guess the question is, are those events related? Did he go all out to prevent scoring chances during those games and as a result end up hurting himself? Or is it just unfortunate happenstance?

    Trying to answer questions often creates more questions!

    The second question you had is with respect to Corsi as a measurement for defenseman.

    I think the big challenge that fancystat types have is that there really isn’t a true solid one or two statistical measures that we can rely on for defensemen. So we’re kind of on shaky ground no matter what we’re using.

    For now at least, my opinion is that subjective assessments of defensive quality are going to be no more or less biased than what you get out of the fancy stats. Heresy, I know! It just emphasizes the importance of taking all available information, including the eye test, in concluding who’s good and who’s not.

    In support of that, a number of people (self included) have looked at the correlation between CF% and quality of defenseman and it is generally quite poor. That is to say, if you look at Corsi and you look at some experienced subjective ranking of defenseman, the two don’t align very much. The general explanation is that because defenseman don’t directly influence Corsi For much (if at all), you don’t get the same value from the statistic as you do for forwards who influence strongly both sides of the equation. So I personally don’t put much weight on CF% with defensemen. It’s not useless, but it is very noisy.

    Now that doesn’t mean that Corsi Against (or CA/60, which I like better as it normalizes for ice time) is any better, but at the very least it gives you a measure of how many shot attempts or how many scoring chances are being given up with that player on the ice, which intuitively you would expect has to at least be part of a quality defenseman’s repertoire. Especially a defensive defenseman.

    The caution here is that it still doesn’t give you something to compare defenseman between teams (per your Subban/Smid comment). Corsi at the player level is such a highly context dependent measure that it shouldn’t be used except in the most general sense as a comparison tool between teams in my opinion. CF% Rel yes, CF%, no.

    In this particular case though, I’m not using Corsi or scoring chances as a measure against other players, let alone other teams – only as a measure of how Fayne was doing at that particular aspect of the game relative to his own play. So you could at least gauge whether or not a player was more or less effective over time in that particular aspect of the game.

    The fact that the wiggles and squiggles tie together with the other changes happening in the team is really what makes for the interesting story.

  41. rickithebear says:

    Optimism is like heroin:
    Ryan,

    yahan all situations guy playing 23 min a night with 2 minutes on the pp and pk.

    Gee wish we had a guy like that

    I want one that is good at it!

  42. RexLibris says:

    G Money,

    Okay, but are you doing with it with the appropriate musical accompaniment?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwlEbU3YEy8

    And I expect pastel suit jackets with pushed up sleeves with mullets blowing behind you in the warm sea air. Expect, my good sir!

  43. Melman says:

    Love the idea of a 4-97-10 line, but you could also go 67-97-10 to give McJesus a vet winger leaving 4-93-10 together. Decisions, decisions….McLellan will have to hide a smile when picks up his pencil

  44. Melman says:

    G Money,

    Thanks for that

  45. Dicky94 says:

    flyfish1168,

    Bryan Bickell would be a nice pickup as well. Chicago needs to dump some players and he might not cost much to acquire. Still like Steve Downie also and Stewart on your list. We need a “Rat” now to take the focus off McDavid.

  46. RexLibris says:

    G Money: In the previous thread, Knight asked an outstanding pair of questions so I thought it would be worthwhile to carry them forward and answer them here.

    So the first question with respect to Gordon produces quite an interesting result. He had an up-and-down year, but started to get locked into a solid groove starting at (his) game 48 and especially the last eight or so games at the end of the year … and then got hurt.

    http://i.imgur.com/oiY7lQI.png

    I guess the question is, are those events related? Did he go all out to prevent scoring chances during those games and as a result end up hurting himself? Or is it just unfortunate happenstance?

    Trying to answer questions often creates more questions!

    The second question you had is with respect to Corsi as a measurement for defenseman.

    I think the big challenge that fancystat types have is that there really isn’t a true solid one or two statistical measures that we can rely on for defensemen. So we’re kind of on shaky ground no matter what we’re using.

    For now at least, my opinion is that subjective assessments of defensive quality are going to be no more or less biased than what you get out of the fancy stats.Heresy, I know! It just emphasizes the importance of taking all available information, including the eye test, in concluding who’s good and who’s not.

    In support of that, a number of people (self included) have looked at the correlation between CF% and quality of defenseman and it is generally quite poor. That is to say, if you look at Corsi and you look at some experienced subjective ranking of defenseman, the two don’t align very much.The general explanation is that because defenseman don’t directly influence Corsi For much (if at all), you don’t get the same value from the statistic as you do for forwards who influence strongly both sides of the equation.So I personally don’t put much weight on CF% with defensemen.It’s not useless, but it is very noisy.

    Now that doesn’t mean that Corsi Against (or CA/60, which I like better as it normalizes for ice time) is any better, but at the very least it gives you a measure of how many shot attempts or how many scoring chances are being given up with that player on the ice, which intuitively you would expect has to at least be part of a quality defenseman’s repertoire. Especially a defensive defenseman.

    The caution here is that it still doesn’t give you something to compare defenseman between teams (per your Subban/Smid comment).Corsi at the player level is such a highly context dependent measure that it shouldn’t be used except in the most general sense as a comparison tool between teams in my opinion.CF% Rel yes, CF%, no.

    In this particular case though, I’m not using Corsi or scoring chances as a measure against other players, let alone other teams – only as a measure of how Fayne was doing at that particular aspect of the game relative to his own play. So you could at least gauge whether or not a player was more or less effective over time in that particular aspect of the game.

    The fact that the wiggles and squiggles tie together with the other changes happening in the team is really what makes for the interesting story.

    I use CorsiRel, QualComp, TOI and ZS to paint a picture on a defenseman.

    CorsiRel tells you about their place in the team.

    QualComp tells you who they can defend against relative to their teammates.

    TOI tells you how often the coach sends them over, which can both reflect and impact the first two (think of the difference between Trotz relying on Weber and Eakins relying on Ference to get an idea of how that stat can swing either way and needs context).

    ZS gives an idea about where they do their work and under what circumstances.

    From all four of those categories you can get an idea of whether a defenseman is a shut-down guy who can skate/pass the puck out of the zone (Klefbom), a pure offensive guy who gives up ground as soon as he loses the puck (Wideman), or is a multi-tooled high-performing blueliner who can be trusted in all situations (Ekman-Larsson). Oh, and the train-wrecks (Nikitin).

    I realize none of this is news to you, but wanted to mention the methodology behind putting together those four categories specifically in case you have a better recommendation.

  47. Ryan says:

    Optimism is like heroin:
    Ryan,

    yahan all situations guy playing 23 min a night with 2 minutes on the pp and pk.

    Gee wish we had a guy like that

    Yeah, where do you find these players? 🙂

    square_wheels:
    Ryan,

    Stop bringing up Petry, the wound is still too fresh.

    Instead lets figure out the ways Nurse can destroy our favourite Canucks. Kassian gets the elbow, Burrows the pile driver while turtling and Bieksa speared in the nuts.

    Sorry, I really hate Vancouver.

    Haha, I see that. I’m no fan either, lol.
    G Money,

    Good stuff!

    I am working on a few new ideas that I’ll send you.

    rickithebear: Bah!
    You saw him old school people!
    His even defensive results cripple a team!

    One day, you’ll get the new NHL bro.

  48. Ryan says:

    Caught in the spam filter…

    go Akismet go.

  49. cabbiesmacker says:

    Mr DeBakey: Kinda Country eh?

    https://youtu.be/OwhLdr01c6U

    I’m KInda anything to be honest Madama Butterfly to Tool, but Cale and Prine are/were something very special.

    I like this one by Hyatt….and the rework by Don Henley just as much or more.

  50. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    What is a ‘Shutdown Defender”?

    I want defenders that can take attack and be very good at diverting it by stick, gap, a nice check, mostly by passing and skating or whatever to get the puck going the other way. If they can provide offense and play good players I would also consider them top pairing.

    Coaches with a better plan or luck look good sometimes.

  51. pts2pndr says:

    Why not leave the first and fourth line as is. Second line Pair McDavid Yakipov third line Hall Lander with wingers for second and third lines determined at TC. That way you get a driver on each line with definite three line scoring. Any of the first three lines become interchangeable depending on who is going on a given night. Then if you need to shorten your bench load up the first two lines! This shud be a coaches dream scenario! The Nuge Eberle Pouliot line are established as is the Gordon Hendricks wagon line. Or you could do a school ground pick for lines like a certain previous coach! But I’m not bitter !!

  52. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    Is a ‘Shutdown Defender’ a guy who can take shot block after shot block and keep taking it?

    Who battles in the corner and wins 51 % of the time and then rims the puck?

    What is Shut Down Defenseman? I christen SDD. Or SD²

  53. stush18 says:

    I dont think chris stewart is the right player for this team, unless we can get him low on a one year deal where he tries to reestablish himself as a top scorer.

    Hes always been very streaky, and has been reported as bad character issues. Mahbe that changes, maybe its heresay. But i think his name carries more worth then the actual player.

    I would love downie, as he can play throughout the lineup, and he doesnt kill our speed.

    One guy that doesnt get a mention is pakarinen. He looked decent this year, and had a good year in the AHL. Hes a shoot first, hit first kinda winger, and is our own internal version of downie.

    Even a guy like miller might be given a shot because he can motor so well, plus he played very well with hall at the end of the year.

    Too much depth. My head cant take this. Ushebebdjdisknaowpdlw.

  54. Rondo says:

    Re:Oliver Kylington

    An interesting comment.

    Erik Liljekvist · Top Commenter · Karlstad, Sweden I have seen him play in Färjestad BK the past two years, and he got talent to be a top 5 pic, but that personality is not the ideal one. The reason he got loaned to the second division was because he was demanding to much as a 17 year old. He demanded more then 20 minutes of ice time (he had 14) and could not see to the teams best. Färjestad did the same with Jonas Brodin (Minnesota) and Oscar Klefbom (Edmonton) regarding to icetime, so they don’t give them to little, they give them just enough to develope, but he could not appreciate that.

    I do hope ( and think) he will become a great D man in 5 years, but for now, he is far from being that NHL ready player.

    His new team with stats

    http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.ca&sl=sv&u=http://stats.swehockey.se/Teams/Info/PlayersByTeam/5057&usg=ALkJrhhtvQL0ELQsp1Kw9VOY_alGCpY9Jw

  55. RexLibris says:

    Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught",

    For me, an ideal shut down guy is one who retrieves the puck from the opposition in his own and end quickly and effectively moves it to a partner or forward for a controlled zone exit.

    I prefer guys who do this without the HULK SMASH old school effect because they tend to also be better positionally and far more attainable, but I welcome the occasional Pronger-esque mean streak to accompany the above skills.

    Ekman-Larsson is my dream defenseman. He is efficient, consistent, intelligent, and operates at a high skill level at both ends of the ice.

    I’m not a fan of defensemen in the Scott Ferguson tradition, but do appreciate those like Brandon Davidson who can give a coach 12 or 15 quiet minutes every night.

  56. LoDog says:

    rich,

    Figured as much, thanks.
    Melman,

    Ya I’d like to see cmd with two vets and pouliot is a bit more defensively responsible than hall imo.

  57. square_wheels says:

    All this talk of depth forwards harkens back to Lowetides “it’s the goalie stupid” rants.

    It’s the defence folks, 2 legit D are required to make this team bearable.

    TBD LHD – Over payed Green
    Klef Claven – Schultz(fingers crossed behind back)
    Marincin – Fayne

    Niki goes, Ference 7th D or flipped for a Fwd version of himself
    Nurse running shit in Cali

  58. striatic says:

    Hall —McDavid—Yakupov
    Pouliot—Nuge—Eberle

    1st overall, 1st overall, 1st overall
    4th overall, 1st overall, 22nd overall

    Yeah, they’d better be good.

  59. Woodguy says:

    G Money,

    Ryan,

    Very busy with work.

    Was in St. Louis all last week, now in Calgary for the rest of this week.

    Very little time to surf the net.

    Not much to say either as all quiet on the Oiler front.

  60. Woodguy says:

    Re: Lander

    Listened to a bit of LT’s show and heard he and Bruce discuss that Lander is 1C on the Sweden team.

    Think about that.

    1 freaking C on a world hockey power, playing with Forsberg.

    MacT and Eakins waived him.

    I wish MacT would just walk away.

    Also,

    Oilers are deep, deep, deep at C now.

    Never thought I’d be able to say that pretty much ever.

  61. Woodguy says:

    striatic:
    Hall —McDavid—Yakupov
    Pouliot—Nuge—Eberle

    1st overall, 1st overall, 1st overall
    4th overall, 1st overall, 22nd overall

    Yeah, they’d better be good.

    And Eberle goes somewhere around 5 or 6 in re-draft of 2008.

  62. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy: And Eberle goes somewhere around 5 or 6 in re-draft of 2008.

    And Draisaitl at 3rd overall

  63. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Woodguy: And Eberle goes somewhere around 5 or 6 in re-draft of 2008.

    Of course that would have to be balanced by Yakupov falling to the middle of the 1st round.

  64. slopitch says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Of course that would have to be balanced by Yakupov falling to the middle of the 1st round.

    Lol. I won’t argue it. But wait 5 years please.

    I’m excited to see yak play with hall and mcD. He won’t need the puck till its time to hit pay dirt.

  65. Woodguy says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Of course that would have to be balanced by Yakupov falling to the middle of the 1st round.

    Nah.

    I still have him top 10 and a good year next year could bring him up to top 5.

  66. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: And Eberle goes somewhere around 5 or 6 in re-draft of 2008.

    That goes in my scrapbook.

  67. Adam Wu says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Of course that would have to be balanced by Yakupov falling to the middle of the 1st round.

    Sure he falls from FIRST, but not in this or any remotely related reality are there 10 players from that draft class performing better than Yak is right now, even given his “struggles”.

  68. Stanley 2018 says:

    The DEEP pool of talent on the forward lines is great but unbalanced. This is the Pacific Division, where size matters. The team is going to need some more beefcake in the top 6 to make it work. Pouliot does the job for the Nuge-Ebs line.. The 2nd line of Hall-McDavid is going to need a Stewart/Stafford/ Justin Williams type to make it work. The player doesn’t even have to be great-just needs to win battles, play good D, screen the G, and get the puck to McHallsy, which leaves lots of options for Chia.

  69. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Of course that would have to be balanced by Yakupov falling to the middle of the 1st round.

    well he is 21. A chiseled vet who’s shown all that he’s got

  70. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar: That goes in my scrapbook.

    Why?

  71. jake70 says:

    On Yakupov. Watched a TSN feature on the 1994 Expos. Interviewed many of those players (Larry Walker, Pedro Martinez, Grissom, Wettland etc – very good if you’re a fan). What struck me was Pedro Martinez – acquired in the Delino Deshiields trade to LA (which I hated at the time like many) – he had raw stuff, but no control – they tried setting up a manican in the bullpen for him to try NOT to hit (Pedro said he took the head nearly off said dummy) – one day Philppe Alou told him to change his 2-seam fastball into a 4-seamer, and Martinez said something just clicked after that and the rest is history, and gave full credit to Alou for his success as a major league pitcher.

    Maybe Nelson was Yak’s Alou, maybe he wasn’t, but just goes to show if the right person shows enough belief and commits to the player, never know. I have had moments watching Yak where I say, just trade him already – but something just says they have to keep at it with him.

  72. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Of course that would have to be balanced by Yakupov falling to the middle of the 1st round.

    Right now he would probably slot in 8th or so, but there’s still time for him to jump back up to the top . No one in this draft class has been running away with anything to date.
    Forsberg, Galchenyuk, Murray, Rielly, Lindholm, Trouba, Maatta

  73. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Adam Wu: Sure he falls from FIRST, but not in this or any remotely related reality are there 10 players from that draft class performing better than Yak is right now, even given his “struggles”.

    1) Forsberg

    2) Galchenyuk

    3) Pearson

    4) Reilly

    5) Lindholm

    6) Dumba

    7) Trouba

    8) Ceci

    9) Maata

    10) Hertl

    I’d wager the GM of the teams with any of the above players would not trade their player for Yakupov.

    I expect Griffin Reinhart, Teuvo Taravainen and Vasilevkiy will also have something to say about things before all is said and done.

    Considering the 2012 draft was so D heavy and that D take more time to develop, Yakupov isn’t looking like a very smart pick.

  74. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Have to disagree with you on Pearson, Dumba and Ceci. Hertl I debated on. Definitely add in Murray.

    But you also can’t throw in Teravainen when he hasn’t proven anything yet and he’s about potential. Yak is about potential, too.

    Pearson? This one is especially a reach. I don’t think you would find many GMs who wouldn’t trade him straight up for Yak and giggle at the thought of it.

  75. Dashingsilverfox says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: Right now he would probably slot in 8th or so, but there’s still time for him to jump back up to the top . No one in this draft class has been running away with anything to date.
    Forsberg, Galchenyuk, Murray, Rielly, Lindholm,Trouba, Maatta

    Forsberg is kicking out the jams, Galchenyuk passed Yakupov like a house on the side of the road and several of the D picked after him are already playing important minutes.

    For example…Trouba has posted .39 PPG while Yakupov, getting extreme zone starts and sheltering is at .45.

    Thing is…Trouba is a defenseman.

  76. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Maybe you misunderstood my comment? Those seven were my list of legit players to be taken ahead of Yak at this point. That’s why I said #8 for Yak.

  77. striatic says:

    Woodguy: And Eberle goes somewhere around 5 or 6 in re-draft of 2008.

    Yes but if we are playing by those rules presumably Pouliot goes later right? and Yakupov and maybe even Hall? So less impressive?

  78. flyfish1168 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: 1) Forsberg

    2) Galchenyuk

    3) Pearson

    4) Reilly

    5) Lindholm

    6) Dumba

    7) Trouba

    8) Ceci

    9) Maata

    10) Hertl

    I’d wager the GM of the teams with any of the above players would not trade their player for Yakupov.

    I expect Griffin Reinhart, Teuvo Taravainen and Vasilevkiy will also have something to say about things before all is said and done.

    Considering the 2012 draft was so D heavy and that D take more time to develop, Yakupov isn’t looking like a very smart pick.

    While you are at it, I would take your list over Johnny yahoo too. These players are younger and most are d-men. All bigger and will last longer. johnny yahoo will fall back to the pack next season and probably come up with a shoulder injury

  79. stevezie says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Is that list in order? Are you rating Ceci above Maata?

    Not that it maters. As always you mostly know the score when it comes to 29 NHL teams but staunchly refuse to give the devil his due. I don’t mind, letting Reinhardt and the Finnish Hawk sneak by on potential but acting like Yak is a finished sentence is hilariously transparent.

    Still, I continue to appreciate the schtick. Keeps this place from becoming too much of an echoing chamber.

  80. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy: Why?

    You might not want to know.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  81. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy:

    MacT and Eakins waived him.

    I wish MacT would just walk away.

    Also,

    That’s where you and I differ. I would prefer to see him run. Preferably leaving a trail of feathers and liquid tar in his wake.

    Unqualified boob. Looks good on him that he was demoted but it look’s bad he’s still grazing in the general area.

  82. Snowman says:

    2012 is too close to call at this point. I doubt Yak would go number 1 (and by doubt I mean I would be shocked) but if he turns into a 30 goal scorer (possible, it could happen) its tough to say he doesn’t cover the bet.

    Yak is an interesting case because he will almost certainly not be the best player overall from his draft but he may well turn into the best goal scorer which is why he went first overall. So you could argue the Oilers got from the pick what they were hoping to get and simply failed to pick the best player (assuming Yak dials in that one timer enough to score 30). They evaluated Yak correctly and evaluated several other incorrectly or prioritized incorrectly what they wanted.

    Either way, I love the guy. He plays the game for the games sake and I can’t help but respect that.

  83. cabbiesmacker says:

    Dashingsilverfox: 1) Forsberg

    2) Galchenyuk

    3) Pearson

    4) Reilly

    5) Lindholm

    6) Dumba

    7) Trouba

    8) Ceci

    9) Maata

    10) Hertl

    Man I am no Yak lover but I think your list is a long ways from realistic.

    Hertl, Ceci,and Lindholm ahead of him? Not seeing it. You’ve based a lot of it on future promise but not given Yak the same allowance.

    That said I’d trade him in the right deal if he had decent value but he doesn’t. Yet. Oilers can afford to deal some forward depth.

  84. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Snowman:
    2012 is too close to call at this point. I doubt Yak would go number 1 (and by doubt I mean I would be shocked) but if he turns into a 30 goal scorer (possible, it could happen) its tough to say he doesn’t cover the bet.

    Yak is an interesting case because he will almost certainly not be the best player overall from his draft but he may well turn into the best goal scorer which is why he went first overall. So you could argue the Oilers got from the pick what they were hoping to get and simply failed to pick the best player (assuming Yak dials in that one timer enough to score 30). They evaluated Yak correctly and evaluated several other incorrectly or prioritized incorrectly what they wanted.

    Either way, I love the guy. He plays the game for the games sake and I can’t help but respect that.

    GPG:

    Forsberg .270

    Hertl .235

    Pearson .223

    Yakupov .218

    Galchenyuk .217

  85. rickithebear says:

    Dashingsilverfox: GPG:
    Forsberg .270
    Hertl .235
    Pearson .223
    Yakupov .218
    Galchenyuk .217

    Yakupov:
    Krugger and Post Allstar Nelson
    77gm 26G 25A 51P -15
    .338 GPG .662 PPG
    Eakins to pre Allstar Nelson
    115gm 16G 21A 37P -57
    .139 GPG .322 PPG

    Amazing what is going on with the oilers with Lowe; Tambo; Eakins out of hockey ops.

  86. SwedishPoster says:

    After the first year Yak would probably still be #1, maybe challenged by Galchenyuk. Year number 2 he would have dropped like a stone, Galchenyuk clear #1, Hampus Lindholm shooting up, Trouba and Hertl as well, Filip Forsberg would probably not be too high on many lists after an ok AHL season and mediocre NHL cameos and now Forsberg is #1, Galchenyuk hasn’t taken off and is fading somewhat, Trouba had a worse season than last year, Hertl had a rough year, Yak started the year terrribly but finished well. Point is there is still hard to tell who’s the best of the bunch at this point. My bet would be Trouba and Forsberg at this point but all of the above may very well take off.

  87. rickithebear says:

    cabbiesmacker: That’s where you and I differ. I would prefer to see him run. Preferably leaving a trail of feathers and liquid tar in his wake.

    Unqualified boob. Looks good on him that he was demoted but it look’s bad he’s still grazing in the general area.

    Mclellan in his interview stated obvious they were getting the correct players.

    Was that
    Lowe
    Tambo
    MacT

  88. Adam Wu says:

    Dashingsilverfox: 1) Forsberg

    2) Galchenyuk

    3) Pearson

    4) Reilly

    5) Lindholm

    6) Dumba

    7) Trouba

    8) Ceci

    9) Maata

    10) Hertl

    I’d wager the GM of the teams with any of the above players would not trade their player for Yakupov.

    Whether a GM would or would not trade a player they drafted and whose development they have subsequently invested in for another player in that same draft year, 2, 3 or however many years later, is irrelevant to the question of whether or not they would have DRAFTED said player ahead or behind another player if they had a chance to do the draft over again.

    The comparison is a false equivalence and par for the course for your unique brand of goalpost moving intellectual dishonesty, DSF.

    In no reality remotely related to our own would Yakupov have been reasonably drafted behind all 10 of these players.

  89. rickithebear says:

    Stanley 2018:
    The DEEP pool of talent on the forward lines is great but unbalanced. This is the Pacific Division, where size matters. The team is going to need some more beefcake in the top 6 to make it work. Pouliot does the job for the Nuge-Ebs line.. The 2nd line of Hall-McDavid is going to need a Stewart/Stafford/ Justin Williams type to make it work. The player doesn’t even have to be great-just needs to win battles, play good D, screen the G, and get the puck to McHallsy, which leaves lots of options for Chia.

    Lander is continuing his dominate repocesion game in WC.

    Hall-Lander-XXX
    Pouliot-RNH-Eberle
    XXX-McDavid-Yakupov
    Hendricks-Gordon-Purcell

  90. OrangeandBlue says:

    Way too soon to rattle on about the ’12 draft. Galchenyuk has been struggling in the playoffs and has seen his PP time cut, we’ll see if Forsberg continues the same level into next season or if this season was an aberration, is Murray a bigger bust at number 2? Way too early to read into anything too much or pass judgment on any of this. Come to think of it, would a young defenseman from this class have thrived with the worst D in the league? Yak has had his struggles no doubt and he may or may not end up being the best of this class, but I think it’s more on the management than on the player. He has the potential to be a very good goal scorer, brings a physical element, and works his ass off. It’s probably safe to start talking more about this class after his bridge deal is up. Also, with incompetent management I can’t think of any combination of draft picks from the past five years that could’ve turned this club into a playoff team so it’s pointless to debate who should’ve been drafted over who.

  91. Zack says:

    Woodguy:
    Re: Lander

    Listened to a bit of LT’s show and heard he and Bruce discuss that Lander is 1C on the Sweden team.

    Think about that.

    1 freaking C on a world hockey power, playing with Forsberg.

    MacT and Eakins waived him.

    I wish MacT would just walk away.

    Also,

    Oilers are deep, deep, deep at C now.

    Never thought I’d be able to say that pretty much ever.

    Nuge, McDavid, Lander, Gordon, Draisaitl maybe on the wing who can eventually fit/fill in at C. Not bad at all.

    Now if only we could say that about the blue.

  92. vinotintazo says:

    Dashingsilverfox:

    Thing is…Trouba is a defenseman.

    You don’t say.

  93. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    OrangeandBlue,

    This is true. The debate began because Woodguy said Eberle was a #5 or #6 instead of #22 in a 2008 redraft, to which DSF made a valid point that Yak would slide in a 2012 redraft. I don’t think there’s any debating that bases on results to date. Some of the names selected (Pearson, Ceci, Dumba) I disagree with.

    Five years to judge a draft. So summer 17 we can talk about it. yak still likely has the highest ceiling but there’s significant risk he doesn’t get there. We shall see.

  94. coolwasabi says:

    Nuge should be untouchable. He’s a 1st line center with the potential to be an elite 1st line center. So why the hell would you want two 1st line centers (Nuge and McDavid)?? Well, Gretzky/Messier, Crosby/Malkin, Sakic/Forsberg, Yzerman/Federov, Datsyuk/Zetterberg… that’s why (especially since Nuge’s $6M cap hit is nearly what 2nd line centers make these days!).

    Of course, the big unknown is how good Leon can be at Center…
    If he can reach his potential (big if still), then that opens up so many possibilities…

  95. hunter1909 says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    I don’t get it. You’re not comparing Seguin/Hall at the World Championships.

    : p

  96. SwedishPoster says:

    Trading Nuge would be an Epic fail to use an overused term. His contract likely prolongs our contention window beyond McDavids ELC. Him at 6 M until 20/21 alongside McDavid as our centers going forward gives us a very strong foundation. I don’t Think we can count on McDavid as an elite player until 16/17 but starting that season and until RNHs contract runs out we’re pretty much set up as far as top 6 centers go, which is a great way to stay in contention.
    Finding wingers to compliment great centers isn’t as easy as it’s made up to be, just look at the best player in the world being a different player when getting a buzzing Hall on his wing instead of a struggling MacKinnon and slow Spezza last night(imagine how dominant he could be with some elite talent in Pittsburgh instead of the Kunitz’s and Hörnqvists of the World, great players but not exactly Jari Kurri), but considering we have at least one elite winger at a good rate for the next few seasons+Eberle+some guys with great promise we should be able to give them enough to work with for the length of their contracts.

    Now about that D…

  97. PhrankLee says:

    cabbiesmacker: John Prine is a God. He and JJ Cale (R.I.P.), both. Sigh.

    My son is named after one of those guys!

  98. PhrankLee says:

    Beginning to think WG and dsf are the same guy.

    That or dsf has such a mancrush on WG that he scans the posts and only comments when his muse enters stage left.

    Yak was not passed like a house on the side of the road. I think the GP, TOI, and points bear it out.

    I do not find anything instructive about going back over a draft and saying “should/could drafted player xxx”

    Yak was consensus #1. Drafts are a combo of available evidence and potential.

    Anyone watch Galchenyuk shit the bed all night last night? All series so far?

    And to throw Dashing Sycophantic Fox and Rikki a bone, Petry had his worst game since the trade last night.

    LT are you now going to be starting a blogger union? You could hand out fair trade tea and smoke beadies. I’m always proud of Alberta.

    Ha ha.

  99. blainer says:

    Way too early to see who is the best of the class. A lot of players took a step back last year. Really disappointed Yak could not get to play at the WC..

  100. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy: 1 freaking C on a world hockey power, playing with Forsberg.
    MacT and Eakins waived him.

    And not one single GM in the NHL picked him up. Strange. Maybe it’s because he wasn’t playing like a 1 freaking C when he was waived. He was playing like a bust…again. Thankfully, he pulled it out.

  101. cabbiesmacker says:

    PhrankLee: My son is named after one of those guys!

    So is mine. Cheers.

  102. cabbiesmacker says:

    rickithebear: Mclellan in his interview stated obvious they were getting the correct players.

    Was that
    Lowe
    Tambo
    MacT

    Or being shitty and lucky? I know where my vote is going.

  103. Lowetide says:

    Anton Lander serves as sober reminder that:

    1. Judging drafts too early is folly
    2. A lot of what we call success is related to deployment (Lander’s usage by Nelson in all situations appeared to be the key, imo anyway)

    As for Nail Yakupov in the 2012 draft, we’ll see. That young man is working his ass off and he was clearly touched by God as a hockey player. I suspect that he’s a very good bet to have a breakout season, but even if he improves a little this coming year it’s all good.

    Kids don’t develop in a straight line. Never have.

  104. PhrankLee says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Well, well. Tip of the hat, silent nod.

  105. leadfarmer says:

    I’m typically one of the first to criticize MacT’s work but Lander did not come to camp ready last year and lost a job that he was almost penciled in for in training camp. Hope he learned his lesson. And hope Marincin is spending his summers in the gym.

  106. G Money says:

    RexLibris: I realize none of this is news to you, but wanted to mention the methodology behind putting together those four categories specifically in case you have a better recommendation.

    I think your reasoning is excellent.

    If I had a suggestion, it would be to mull on CF%Rel. With CF%, the demonstrated influence of defensemen is weak, so I would think that CF%Rel would suffer the same problem.

    Maybe as an experiment, see if WOWY/CA (either added to or instead of CF%) gives a “visually better” result.

    I haven’t tested it, but I still think CA reflects an important component of what makes a D a D. And seeing how a D plays with certain partners, whether he makes them better or worse, also gives me at least some intuitive comfort that I’m seeing the inherent ‘goodness’ of a D.

    So using CA WOWY might be a worthwhile complement to ZS, TOI, and QualComp to create a more complete picture.

  107. Stanley 2018 says:

    Fact is though, Oilers are going to have to give something up to fix the Black Holes in Net and on the blue, and they MUST get bigger if they’re going to battle ANA, LA, SJ, WPG for a playoff spot. The FA pool is pretty thin, maybe gets Chiarelli one or 2 guys. Any trade for a significant piece is going to cost some combination of Player/Prospect/Pick. So the question is, who are the Expendables?
    -Yakupov is a clear choice. He can score goals, has heart, is coachable, and trading him for a Heavy player kills 2 birds with one move. Size matters in the Western Conference. Yak is great, but no bulldozer.
    -Lander’s stock is going up every day, and the Oilers are getting crowded at C. I’d like to keep Landy and give Draisaitl time to ripen in OKC, but as part of a package for a 1-2 Dman? Seeya.
    -Draisaitl could be the other option, keeping Lander as the 3C instead. The return would have to be insane, not Phaneuf or Seabrook. But again, for a #1D entering his prime, PC would have to do it.

  108. rickithebear says:

    i liked Mclellan’s move of getting Crosby away from the outmatched situation against Landers line!

    Great sign!

    Paired with P-R-E kicking PvP in the west at end of year.

    Frees up the third line centered by Mcdavid to Face softer ops.

  109. VOR says:

    As I said before, the Oilers are 4 to 6 years from a legitimate Stanley Cup run. This means the D you acquire now needs to be no older than 28 and have no more than 500 games of experience. Past 32 and past 800 NHL games injuries and deterioration in on ice performance become real issues. So the D we trade for or sign this summer need to be young enough to still be in their prime when they are truly needed. Doggie Hamilton, not that I would offer sheet him, and Calvin DeHahn are far better options than Seabrook or Phaneuf.

    More to the point the Oilers need a second and third tier of defencemen behind whoever they pick up. The second tier would be Marincin and Klefblom and Nurse so that is taken care of and they will all be mid career in the Cup years. The third tier will be lead by whoever they draft the next two years. Being optimistic let’s say Jeremy Roy, Mitch Van de Sompel, and Loik Leveille.

    Much of the thinking here is too short sighted. At this stage acquiring new place holders is a waste of money and assets. If the player won’t be here or won’t be in their prime when Stanley Cups are on the line it is better to go with what the Oilers already have.

  110. blainer says:

    VOR:
    As I said before, the Oilers are 4 to 6 years from a legitimate Stanley Cup run. This means the D you acquire now needs to be no older than 28 and have no more than 500 games of experience. Past 32 and past 800 NHL games injuries and deterioration in on ice performance become real issues. So the D we trade for or sign this summer need to be young enough to still be in their prime when they are truly needed. Doggie Hamilton, not that I would offer sheet him, and Calvin DeHahn are far better options than Seabrook or Phaneuf.

    More to the point the Oilers need a second and third tier of defencemen behind whoever they pick up. The second tier would be Marincin and Klefblom and Nurse so that is taken care of and they will all be mid career in the Cup years. The third tier will be lead by whoever they draft the next two years. Being optimistic let’s say Jeremy Roy, Mitch Van de Sompel, and Loik Leveille.

    Much of the thinking here is too short sighted. At this stage acquiring new place holders is a waste of money and assets. If the player won’t be here or won’t be in their prime when Stanley Cups are on the line it is better to go with what the Oilers already have.

    LOL.. you really are looking at the long play here. I sure as hell hope you are DEAD wrong on your timeline. Me.. I will wait to see what moves are made in the off season. Great goaltending can take a team a long way.. Lots of teams turned north from season to season to contend.. I think Philly and Florida are examples of contending all the way to the finals.. and also the opposite.. LA Colorado and nex yeart it will be Calgary .. although Calgary has a lot of cap space so they may be back..

  111. Ribs says:

    Trade Nuge? Lordy. That is just an insane proposition.

  112. russ99 says:

    Trade Nuge after all this development and pain and let someone else get his best years? Heck no.

    Besides, I still think that Ebs is eventually the one to move from this cluster due to trade value, closeness to ceiling, and cap room we need to clear for McJesus – but that’s only from a position of strength, which this summer ain’t.

    I’m with LT:

    Hall – McDavid – Yak (the “EA Sports” line)
    Pouliot – RNH – Ebs
    XX – Lander – XX (move Lander to LW if we can land Soderburg)
    Hendricks – Gordon – Klink

    As I mentioned before, as per new CapGeek replacement General Fanager “http://www.generalfanager.com/” all of the 4th line but Hendricks are UFAs after next season,

    So this is the summer to find new 2-way shutdown line players to ice with Lander.

    Then we can go back to making the 4th line the grinder/development line, and that would be a nice landing spot for Draisaitl when he’s NHL ready, so we can stop throwing our prospects in over their head and hope they swim.

  113. Concur says:

    I would like to see some caustion on the Oilers part for this year not the same thing they did to Draisatl.

    Pouliot – RNH – Eberle
    Hall – New 2C – Yakupov
    McDavid – Lander – Purcell
    Hendricks – Gordon – Klinkhammer
    Gazdic – Draisatl (starts in AHL)

    This gives Yak a veteran to continue his development. Also McDAvid is not put in the pressure right away and he also has a vetern with Purcell and someone that has two-way ability in Lander. He grab the Center position for a game or two to ease himself into instead of being overwhelmed.

  114. GCW_69 says:

    Rip Fan Winkle “OilOnslaught”:
    I want to see marginal players out and fresh people in that can mak a difference because I think it can turn fast if the reset button is hit and the team mindset is shocked .

    Going too slow might mess things up because the team is full colts waiting to gallop.

    By trade or by trick.

    Willis idea about Grabner is good. Move anyone not contributing on more than one level.

    Nikitin Ference SchultzPurcell Klink Roy out.

    Franson Grabner Michalek established goalie McDavid in.

    I generally agree. Certainly on the defense I would be looking to flush all three. Klinkhammer our Roy would be my thirteenth forward. Purcell isn’t worth the cap hit and if there was an opportunity to move him and bring in someone better, seize the day. The Oilers will carry some cache into this summer’s free agent market , especially if they grab McLellan as coach, and they need to free up some cap space to take advantage of it.

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