THE SUMMER OF TODDS?

Last night during HNIC, Oilers fans received some interesting information. Canada has come to rely on Friedman to carry the news each Saturday and he didn’t disappoint last night.

Make no mistake, McLellan is bona fide. The power play alone would rattle and hum at a level where the walls of Rexall would need to be revamped after every game. Todd McLellan would be golden for the Oilers, especially if the club can convince Todd Nelson to hang around with his magic Barons touch.

One thing about McLellan: He was given a defensive group with players in their prime or approaching it. Brent Burns (29), Marc-Edouard Vlasic (27), Justin Braun (27) and Brenden Dillon (23) led the team in TOI last season, all but Dillon with substantial experience. Edmonton’s leaders last season had no one both in their prime and with over 300 NHL games experience: Justin Schultz (24), Oscar Klefbom (21), Mark Fayne (27) and Andrew Ference (35). If there was a way to get Vlasic to Edmonton, that would be a fantastic result.

WHAT I’D LIKE

For me, the idea of Todd McLellan coming in is a good one. If the Oilers can find a way to retain Todd Nelson and hire McLellan, that’s a fine idea. Nelson’s connection to these Barons’ prospects is important because the organization can’t afford to be wrong on the bubbling under kids. Lander and Marincin look real from here and if those two men can establish themselves as NHL players Edmonton’s depth chart up the middle only gets stronger. This is an important time for the Oilers, hopefully Nelson can be convinced to stick around and help the AHL players make the transition.

HAPPY MOTHER’S DAY!

My Mom was awesome. Honestly, there are days I think about the things she did and laugh until it hurts. Did I ever tell you about ‘TBA’? When I was a kid growing up in Maidstone, the Saskatoon Star-Phoenix would deliver a TV Times on Friday—basically the schedule for following week. Now, we only got two channels so there wasn’t a lot going on, but we kept it all week anyway. Often, the show would be announced as ‘TBA’, and Mom and I would often talk about ‘TBA’ and their frustrating range (from excellent to just awful) of work. In my mind, TBA was a series of large, long buildings somewhere in British USA that produced old movies and short documentaries but had such a range of product it was simply impossible to know what was coming. I can tell you there were nights I fell asleep because the promise of TBA simply wasn’t enough to keep my awake.

One summer, my cousin Vernon (Vernon was cool, always looked up to him) came to visit and we were watching ‘100 rifles’ (it was listed as 1oo rifles) and it was to be followed by TBA. So, Vernon asks ‘what’s on after this?’ and I said “TBA, it might be great but it could be terrible, the TBA people aren’t consistent at all” or some such. To which my cousin informed me that “TBA” was ‘to be announced’ and I laughed for a long time.

The best part of the story was my Mom’s reaction, she howled with laughter and from that day forward it was the greatest inside joke. Of all the things my Mom was about, not taking herself too seriously and laughing at what was truly funny may be the thing I loved the most.

Miss you Mom. Always.

Mrs. Lowetide is a fabulous Mom, my kids are lucky and as the years roll along recognize her efforts more and more. The days of waiting for them to get up and say Happy Mother’s Day to her before I had to tell them are gone. I never tell people what to do, but call your Mom today. The year you can’t will be your toughest and that’s for sure. A good solid hug (if the miles allow) would be a good idea too.

CAM TALBOT

Larry Brooks talks about the Rangers not having a first-round selection (again) and about the Oilers as a possible destination for Cam Talbot. I’d imagine the pick at No. 16 would be the big part of a deal but don’t like the trade at all. Talbot is one year from free agency and is not an established option for the Oilers’ No. 1 goalie. I’d rather see Edmonton use that pick on Jeremy Roy or Timo Meier than spend it on a less than certain goalie option who may be here for only one year. Sunil Agnihotri does a  great job framing the issue on Talbot here. I’ve added his blog (honestly thought I’d already done it) to the blogroll and recommend it highly. Smart fellow.

ROSTER MAKEUP

Not much we can do until Chiarelli makes his first move, but for me this would be the ideal 2015-16 opening lineup:

  • Pouliot—Nuge—Eberle
  • Hall—McDavid—Yakupov
  • Draisaitl—Lander—Justin Williams
  • Hendricks—Gordon—Klinkhammer/Pitlick/Pakarinen
  • Marc-Edouard Vlasic—Jeff Petry
  • Andrej Sekera—Mark Fayne
  • Oscar Klefbom—Martin Marincin
  • Antti Niemi—Ben Scrivens

Impossible? Probably. Having said that, the truly impossible is the 2C and he’s less than 50 days away!

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  1. leadfarmer says:

    I like that while their carrying the whale hunt, they are also pursuing the not quite as highly but still highly desired coach. Thats a nice change from the Lowe whale hunts when they would go all in on the whale and lose sight of everything else around them.

    If Talbot costs the first round pick no way they should be interested. This is a buyers goalie market

    Oh yeah and happy Mamma day

  2. Woogie63 says:

    What would it take to get Seth Jones ?

  3. Woodguy says:

    I think Talbot is the next Schneider and it behooves the Oilers to get him.

    I’ll post something on him soon that disagrees with Sunil’s take on him.

    Word is that a deal was done mid-season with Yak for Talbot, but fell apart when Lundqvist went down.

    Not kidding. Sather is a trading savant.

    I think the 15/16 is too much to pay as well, and the 33rd should suffice.

    Sather is a true bastard at the trading table and Chia needs to pull him out of there without overpaying.

    If Sather was half as good at signing FA’s as he is at trading the Rags would have had a dynasty under his regime.

  4. oliveoilers says:

    Mornin’ LT et al.

    It occurs to me that even though we have been choking down Arby’s for the last 9 yrs, and we’ve just won a lifetime of free dining at any Michelin star restaurant of our choice, we may just have to take a nibble from a ‘beef’ bun.

    If the price in the eyes of the rest of the hockey world (because they won’t acknowledge our journey from then to now) is to use that #16 pick on a young goalie one year from FA, then so be it. One thing I do know is that we need a goalie and can’t go into next season on the chance that the Prof may rebound or develop into a starter. Just because DD did, doesn’t mean that it’s the narrative. That is the kind of gamble with no back up plan that did for MacT.

    So a trade for a more established goalie? Time to revisit Bishop? I also wouldn’t mind Anderson while LB comes along, nor Niemi, who would be just money, but no guarantee he signs here. Poster’s Popular Pick Nuevirth would be cool. Holtby just played his way out of any chance we had.

    What would be your plan for a goalie? I’d be happy with a decent stop-gap until something better becomes available or develops.

  5. Woodguy says:

    Woogie63:
    What would it take to get Seth Jones ?

    Leon Draistatl.

  6. KSC10032 says:

    Quick question @ the discussion of whether Nelson could/would stay as Associate Coach under Mclellan — what — if any — past working association have the two Todds had with each other?

    I remember that Nelson coached a lower level DET affiliate (UHL), but that may or may not mean that he spent any time with the Red Wings training camps, etc.

    Past associations are important in such matters.

    Just wondering.

    BTW — I completely agree with Sunil @ goaltending recruitment.

  7. oliveoilers says:

    leadfarmer: If Talbot costs the first round pick no way they should be interested. This is a buyers goalie market

    How do you figure?

    Niemi is the only semi-decent goalie UFA this year. That makes it a SELLER’s market because 29 GMs know you need to trade for one and they know exactly what assets you have. Supply and demand and all that jazz.

    So you try to find mutual need, something MacT wasn’t the greatest at.

  8. Mr DeBakey says:

    Woogie63: What would it take to get Seth Jones ?

    Too Much

    Vlasic – Very Dreamy. Impossibly dreamy.

    Vlasic & Petry & Sekara? Maybe you should put the keyboard down, back away slowly, go outside & mow the lawn, pick a few weeds, I think you might be pixelated.

  9. Lowetide says:

    oliveoilers:

    What would be your plan for a goalie?I’d be happy with a decent stop-gap until something better becomes available or develops.

    I think the idea of bringing in two goalies (a No. 1 NHL and a strong option for Brossoit’s partner) is the ideal. Scrivens should recover, but if he doesn’t then the Oilers must be ready to replace him by December 1 with one of their AHL goalies.

    I’m not overly fond of Niemi but he costs only money. After that, I’m fine with any number of young goalie options (Talbot, Jones, Reimer) depending on pricetag.

  10. Lloyd B. says:

    Woogie63,

    The 4th overall pick a few years ago.

  11. Kmart99 says:

    Sekera, Petry, and Vlasic….. To sleep a chance to dream. Never say never, but that would be insane.
    No epic #1 but still three huge adds. I love Vlasic.

  12. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy:
    I think Talbot is the next Schneider and it behooves the Oilers to get him.

    I’ll post something on him soon that disagrees with Sunil’s take on him.

    Word is that a deal was done mid-season with Yak for Talbot, but fell apart when Lundqvist went down.

    Not kidding.Sather is a trading savant.

    I think the 15/16 is too much to pay as well, and the 33rd should suffice.

    Sather is a true bastard at the trading table and Chia needs to pull him out of there without overpaying.

    If Sather was half as good at signing FA’s as he is at trading the Rags would have had a dynasty under his regime.

    I don’t feel as bad with Chia going to the table with Slats as MacT. Would Slats take advantage of his protégé…..?

  13. frjohnk says:

    I like McLellan. Would there be compensation to give To San Jose if we signed him say this week?

    Sounds like McLennan would bring his assistant. Not sure where Nelson would fit.

    Nice story about your mom and yeah the first Mother’s Day without your mom is not nice. I lost mine when she was 41. 15 years ago.

  14. jm363561 says:

    Well, we can all dream of that opening night roster, along with Todd and Todd on the bench (still think the second lines needs a Pouliot type) – it seems affordable cap wise, and only assumes moderately high magical powers of PChia trading / buying out Teddy, Justin, Nikita and El Capitano, and convincing J Petry the insanity has stopped.

    I have a question, not knowing enough about how hockey ops work – how likely is it that a GM will start to make roster changes before a new coach is onboard?

  15. VanOil says:

    Todd Mclellen signing brought to you from the good people at TBA! Great story.

    A Sunday dream, as anything is possible in post Conner times;

    Jultz + 2nd for Coach and Vlasic

  16. John Chambers says:

    leadfarmer,

    To your point, perhaps the Oilers want to create some noise around McLellan as coach in order to rationalize the price for Babcock.

    If Babs has Edmonton as his primary destination, this social media fanfare has the potential to reduce his asking price with the knowledge that Chiarelli already has a bird in the hand.

    Edmonton has all of a sudden become the premiere destination – Before even being drafted McDavid has become the catalyst for a total reversal of fortune.

  17. oliveoilers says:

    VanOil:
    Todd Mclellen signing brought to you from the good people at TBA! Great story.

    A Sunday dream, as anything is possible in post Conner times;

    Jultz + 2nd for Coach and Vlasic

    If we’re dreaming, then just Schultz, keep the 2nd and draft the next Datsyuk!

  18. Hall Awaits says:

    I wonder what the price point of a Vlasic would be? He’d be absolutely perfect for that too pair.

  19. CofC says:

    Couldn’t agree more – I think would be disrespectful (to Todds) and risky to wait on Mr. Babcock, who may end up re-signing with Detroit in the end anyway; Hopefully Nelson would be a good fit somewhere in the coaching roster, as I think he has real potential to be a strong NHL coach; Timing was bittersweet for him in this case.

    BTW – do you see any plans for Craig Ramsay in this? He’s had some good experience at Associate level, but seems to be passed up when promotion discussions arise historically.

    Coaching plans going forwards – TBA (great story!!)

  20. Genjutsu says:

    We got us some hockey Jesus coming or way.

    For reals this time.

    WHOOOOOOOT!

  21. PerryK says:

    LT, that’s a really nice roster you’ve dreamed up!

    Just a juggle, though. I think you have to give Justin Williams to McD! I think that would be a nice cover for the kid. Hall and McD can rip into the OZ and Williams likes to come in late anyhow.

    Yak can probably play better as we have seen in his last 25 games. It would be heck of a challenge for Lander to play with Drai and Yak, but hey have you seen him at the Worlds? He is like a Super Man out there!

  22. Tarkus says:

    Anyone remember the “Arrested Development” episode where the family held a charity dinner to find a cure for TBA?

    Happy Mothering Day to one and all!

  23. Hammers says:

    Somehow my gut says we will see Chara in Oilers colours and playing with M. M. Add Klef and Fayne. Final pair maybe Petry and Nurse with el captain the extra

  24. Halfwise says:

    LT I like that the starting D in your dreams has none of this year’s NSF group.

    frjohnk:

    Nice story about your mom and yeah the first Mother’s Day without your mom is not nice. I lost mine when she was 41. 15 years ago.

    Man, that is way too young. Must have been dark days after that for the longest time.

    Question for the Sunday morning crowd here…what is this unfamiliar sense of lightness and positivity in Oilerville called? Last night I swear I saw people agreeing with DSF, more than once even. I’ll have to check my meds.

  25. Diesel says:

    Tarkus:
    Anyone remember the “Arrested Development” episode where the family held a charity dinner to find a cure for TBA?

    Classic Bluth.

  26. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Happy Mother’s Day to all the moms.

    Vlasic would cost a lot. If I had to guess the 16th, Yak and something else following the 1st, a roster player and prospect formula.

    Yak for Talbot would have been terrible asset management if true and if so, please get MacT as far away from any decision making capacity as possible. Like yesterday.

    I see you spent Soderberg money on Williams and somehow got rid of Ference and Nikitin to pay for it.

    Alas a completely unrealistic roster. But we can all dream

  27. supernova says:

    I am in agreement with LT and Sunil.

    Talbot isn’t the target to me for goalie.

    If NYR want a 1st round pick, the conversation should be around McDonaugh.

    Pens pick, Marincin, Moroz and Khaira for McDonaugh

  28. Kmart99 says:

    If nothing else, Howson’s original evaluation of Lander was a good one. Hard to believe how far his game has come along in the last year.

    I’m convinced Eakins wasn’t helping. Other than the fact that McDavid wouldn’t be ours without him.

    To have a future C depth chart of CMD, Huge, Drai, and Lander would be dreamy. Lander seems more than ready for the 3C job, but hopefully by the end of 2016 Draisaitl has developed enough to compete for that spot with Lander.

    I truly believe this team is 3dmen, 2goalies, and 1 winger away from contention. I also think Chia will be able to fill 4 of those holes this summer.(2dmen,1goalie,1winger). Grab an extra dman at the deadline.

  29. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    supernova,

    Not a chance the Rangers trade McDonagh for that.

  30. supernova says:

    Woogie63:
    What would it take to get Seth Jones ?

    Woodguy: Leon Draistatl.

    This is one of the few trades I would do for Drai.

    A young RH potential first pair D with size and skating and some experience.

    I would also offer sheet for Dougie Hamilton.

    One or the other not both.

  31. SoCaloil says:

    How is it that Petry can play against stammer in red n blue but is not a good enough oil

    Gonna get LT going this morning

  32. Kmart99 says:

    supernova:
    I am in agreement with LT and Sunil.

    Talbot isn’t the target to me for goalie.

    If NYR want a 1st round pick, the conversation should be around McDonaugh.

    Pens pick, 3rd rd pick, Marincin, Platzer and Khaira for McDonaugh

    Fixed.;)

  33. supernova says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”:
    supernova,

    Not a chance the Rangers trade McDonagh for that.

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”,

    I think there is a slim chance they even trade McDonagh.

    How about pens pick, Marincin, Sens pick (3rd round ) and next years 2nd round.
    That would be a 1,2,3 and Marty

  34. Messier11edm says:

    McLellan vs Babcock…

    If this is true, very intelligent move by PC. No denying what Babcock brings to the table, but the most beautiful looking girl at the ball, isn’t necessarily who you would match best with. I strongly believe McLellan is the better fit for the Oilers, and yes, if Nelson stays on then I think that would be excellent for the Oilers, just don’t see it happening…probably an easier sell to Nelson if Babcock was the guy coming in.

    Goaltender…

    Talbot doesn’t interest me at all – better options out there with more certainty. In fact O’Connor going to sens was the best thing for the oilers. I know some would say Lehner, but Oil should target Anderson. It’s a known commodity, with proven track record. For those high on Talbot, understand if had one of the best defense corp out there – 3rd best team on GA/G ….Sens on the other hand, middle of the road numbers but team’s SAVE % .921 (fourth best). Btw, Anderson with .923 , Lehner .905 – again with a middle of the road defense. (FYI …Save % alone not enough to determine best goalie, but Anderson still would be my pick )

    Get Anderson and move on…

  35. Tarkus says:

    Repost from previous thread: Looks like Auston Matthews might be headed overseas next season. Veddy interesting.

    http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/762088

  36. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    supernova,

    McDonagh had an off year but he is the captain, their franchise D and on a sweetheart contract. I lived in NYC for years. He is adored tthere, especially as an American. The Rangers’ Cup window is right now during Lundqvist’s prime. Your deal, while not terrible in value, just makes zero sense for them at this time.

    I could see a deal like this going down in a couple of years if the Rangers’ window begins to close.

  37. Lowetide says:

    I don’t think the Rangers trade McDonagh.

  38. RexLibris says:

    I never tell people what to do, but…

    The “GET OFF MY LAWN” sign says otherwise.

    😉

    Moms. Some pretty funny stories between moms and their sons. For all of the stories about dads telling their sons “don’t tell you mom about the firecracker” I’m sure there are just as many inside jokes between moms and sons.

  39. Messier11edm says:

    supernova,

    Wouldn’t do that Drai for Jones… interesting, but PC will be able to find D without having to give up Drai….

    RNH + DRAI = Datsyuk + Zetterburg …..probably not at that level, but close enough, with CMD, all we need is something close to it.

  40. Marc says:

    I like Talbot better than any of the other options this summer, but a decent first round pick in deep draft is too much for a guy with a year left on his contract.

    The Rangers have to move salary this off season as well trying to recoup a few picks, so I still think the deal we’ll see is Talbot + Klein for Pitt pick + AHL D (Musil?).

  41. Pouzar says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: Vlasic would cost a lot. If I had to guess the 16th, Yak and something else following the 1st, a roster player and prospect formula.

    Those trades don’t happen don’t you know?

  42. leadfarmer says:

    oliveoilers,

    Ramo, Niemi, Neuvirth are all available. Ottawa needs to get rid of a goalie. NYR are going to move Talbot. Van probably would like to get rid of the Miller contract in a year. Detroit needs to decide on a starter in a year or two. How many teams need to add a starting goalie? Only a handful.

    Oh yeah and do not trade with Slats.

    Think you have to add to Draisatl to get Jones.

    McDonagh is not moving.

  43. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Pouzar: Those trades don’t happen don’t you know?

    Ha. Well in this case I’d rather it didn’t happen, unless somehow the 3 pieces end up being significantly less valuable. But then why would San Jose move their most valuable trading chip for anything less?

  44. RexLibris says:

    If we compare Talbot with Schneider, then I think we need to consider what the deal was for Schneider and what it would have cost the Oilers.

    Iirc it was the 7th overall pick and Marincin. While Schneider would have been a great addition, it would have cost the team two of their top three defensive prospects and arguably set the team back again or at the very least swapped out one glaring roster hole for another, if not two.

    The organization cannot afford to take a step back this season, so if Sather wants #16 + for Talbot I’d walk away and solve that problem aggressively through free-agency instead. They can more afford a mistake on player salary budget on goaltending than they can on forfeiting picks and prospects.

  45. LMHF#1 says:

    You take the guy who has proven himself and is sure of himself over the guy with the playoff inferiority complex every time.

    Also, how many people watched the system Canada played in the Olympics? I want to see a coach try that with the Oilers.

  46. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    LMHF#1,

    I’m going to repost this link I’m sure someone added a few days ago. The choice may not be the Oilers’ to make.

    Babcock says wife is the boss a week ago. Now he says wife wants to stay in Detroit. Read between the lines and he is leaning towards staying. Makes sense to go after McLellan now.
    http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2015/05/red_wings_mike_babcock_not_lea.html

  47. LMHF#1 says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”:
    LMHF#1,

    I’m going to repost this link I’m sure someone added a few days ago. The choice may not be the Oilers’ to make.

    Babcock says wife is the boss a week ago. Now he says wife wants to stay in Detroit.Read between the lines and he is leaning towards staying. Makes sense to go after McLellan now.
    http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2015/05/red_wings_mike_babcock_not_lea.html

    If that’s true then fine – but explore all.options to get him (and the family) here first.

    What I’m replying to is the “maybe Todd is better than Mike” commentary. No effing way.

  48. godot10 says:

    Todd Nelson deserves an NHL head coaching gig this season somewhere. If McLellan or Babcock get the OIlers’ job, I hope Nelson gets one of the other NHL jobs.

  49. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    LMHF#1,

    Ah gotcha. I apologize. As others have said I do wonder a bit about bird in hand here (if McLellan is willing to come). By the time Babcock is done exploring until end of the month who knows. And even then all his “grass isn’t always greener” comments plus his comments about his family’s wishes leads me to think he is leaning towards staying anyway unless someone blows his socks off.

  50. godot10 says:

    Woogie63:
    What would it take to get Seth Jones ?

    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins AND Marincin.

  51. Pouzar says:

    godot10: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins AND Marincin.

    Ok you are trolling me now right cause I ACTUALLY have an RNH scrapbook!

  52. Ryan says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”:
    LMHF#1,

    Ah gotcha. I apologize. As others have said I do wonder a bit about bird in hand here (if McLellan is willing to come). By the time Babcock is done exploring until end of the month who knows. And even then all his “grass isn’t always greener” comments plus his comments about his family’s wishes leads me to think he is leaning towards staying anyway unless someone blows his socks off.

    That’s exactly the problem.

    Babcock in the best case scenario doesn’t seem poised to make a decision any time soon. While some have speculated that coaches have no motivation to sign until Babcock raises the ceiling on coaching salaries, I doubt that’s how things unfold.

    About the only way Chia can sit around waiting for Babcock is if he’s content to run with Nelson as a fallback plan. I don’t think that’s the case.

  53. godot10 says:

    Pouzar: Ok you are trolling me now right cause I ACTUALLY have an RNH scrapbook!

    He asked what I would take, and I told him. I would NEVER trade Nugent-Hopkins.

  54. Bling says:

    Personally, I really like the idea of McLellan over Babcock.

    I’ve always liked the way those Sharks teams have played, and as an added bonus I think Nelson is more likely to be retained if McLellan sticks around.

    GoDot: I think the Oilers should do everything they can to retain Nelson as an associate. Head coaching is a fickle business, and from Nelson’s POV, being in a relatively stable position for 5-10 years is probably an attractive thing.

    No reason why they can’t pay him in the lower tier of head coaches and put McLellan in the top 5.

  55. godot10 says:

    If McLellan is the coach, Niemi becomes a viable goaltending option. Less risk with an established coach-goalie trust relationship.

  56. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy: Leon Draistatl.

    Draistatl plus. Jones is a “proven” NHLer and Leon is not. Edmonton would need to top up to offset the risk of Leon being a bust.

  57. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    GCW_69: Draistatl plus.Jones is a “proven” NHLer and Leon is not.Edmonton would need to top up to offset the risk of Leon being a bust.

    If I had to peg it I’d guess :
    Draisaitl+ for Jones
    RNH for Jones+

    Small + each side.

    I stay the course and search for D elsewhere, I think. The thought of LD as the big Western Conference style 3C is just too tempting. And no way I trade Nuge.

  58. rich says:

    Good morning and Happy Mother’s Day to one and all.

    Not sure if anyone caught Matty’s column this morning but I’m starting to be convinced there is a real change in the way management is conducting it’s business. Instead of MacT or Lowe leaking tidbits about the “groupthink” to gauge sentiment, we’re now seeing that there are no comments on what’s going on.

    While I think Nelson deserves the consideration, being sentimental is not a good reason to hire anyone. If McClellan is the man, great, he’s not a member of the BOTB and it represents a new era, as would Babcock.

    Very good off-season to date.

  59. marty62 says:

    LT, I like your idea of ditching Nikitin, Ference and Schultz. I also would hope we can lure Petry back to the fold, but I am afraid with the level of his play in this post season he will have alot of offers come July 1. I think he ends up Stateside in a city close to his hometown. I will forgive MacT alot of things but I dont think i will forgive him for screwing up with Petry. How about Beuchamin (sp?) from the Ducks? I think he could help short term on the back end….

  60. GCW_69 says:

    Lowetide: I think the idea of bringing in two goalies (a No. 1 NHL and a strong option for Brossoit’s partner) is the ideal. Scrivens should recover, but if he doesn’t then the Oilers must be ready to replace him by December 1 with one of their AHL goalies.

    I’m not overly fond of Niemi but he costs only money. After that, I’m fine with any number of young goalie options (Talbot, Jones, Reimer) depending on pricetag.

    Neuvirth? Like Niemi, all he costs is money and he is in a better place in the career arc.

    I would go hard at Neuvirth and try for Lehner as back up if the price is not high, which I doubt it would be. Waive Scrivens. What are the odds someone grabs him through waivers after the year he had? It eats into cap space a bit, but not horribly so having Scrivens in the minors, but it also gives you a decent call up option should Lehner falter or someone get hurt.

  61. GCW_69 says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: If I had to peg it I’d guess :
    Draisaitl+ for Jones
    RNH for Jones+

    Small + each side.

    I stay the course and search for D elsewhere, I think. The thought of LD as the big Western Conference style 3C is just too tempting. And no way I trade Nuge.

    I would agree with that, but the plus might be a little higher for me.

  62. godot10 says:

    LMHF#1:
    You take the guy who has proven himself and is sure of himself over the guy with the playoff inferiority complex every time.

    Also, how many people watched the system Canada played in the Olympics? I want to see a coach try that with the Oilers.

    The system that Canada used at the Olympics is NOT a good system for the NHL or the Oilers.

    Canada’s goal was zero mistake hockey because we had the best players and the best goaltender, and selected all the best players with minimal chaos in their game.

    It was Hitchcockian on steriods.

    All NHL teams have flawed rosters and mistakes are going to happen. You have to coach like Quenneville, not like HItchcock. You have to allow your talent to play, and realize mistakes are going to happen, but be flexible with your lineup to get the right matchups, to tilt the balance of mistakes and allow your best players to win the game.

    So if not Nelson, I tend to lean McLellan over Babcock, because of the OIlers’ makeup, one needs a coach willing to let the horses run, and make adjustments.

  63. Mtl-oiler says:

    With either McLellan or Babcock we’re light years ahead where we were last year when McT was still singing the praises of Eakins. At least it can’t be any worse.

  64. rickithebear says:

    GCW_69: I would agree with that, but the plus might be a little higher for me.

    Power versus power Centers

    Not shared 1st comp like say:
    Crsoby/malkin
    Backlund/monohan

    just pure power V Power.

    Even scoring
    #1 Sedin 48 EVp
    #2 Toews 46 EVp
    #3 RNH 41 EVP
    #3 Datsyuk 41 EVP

    getting rid of RNH.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iubog28_KBI

  65. Henry says:

    Marc:
    I like Talbot better than any of the other options this summer, but a decent first round pick in deep draft is too much for a guy with a year left on his contract.

    The Rangers have to move salary this off season as well trying to recoup a few picks, so I still think the deal we’ll see is Talbot + Klein for Pitt pick + AHL D (Musil?).

    It looks like the Rangers have less than $9M to sign 7 forwards and one defenseman for next year. Two of the RFAs are Stepan and Hagelin coming off their bridge deals. Sather will need to trade for space badly. I’m not sure if Staal is a smart play for the Oilers at $5.7M long term, but he could probably be had with Talbot for the #15-16 and something cheap.

  66. BlueNoteNorth says:

    Babcock might simply be testing the market to ensure he gets full value on his next contract. Detroit says money is no object. So he kicks a few tires in Edmonton and Toronto and says you offered me $3M+ but these other offers suggest I am worth $4M+. My guess is he stays in Detroit.

    Securing McLellan now would be a smart move for the Oilers.

  67. Stelio Kontos says:

    This may be stupid, but what if we brought in Jagr. I remember him saying he felt he owed Edmonton for the attention they gave him before he came back. Age is a huge factor, but on a 1 yr deal, he would probably be the best mentor still playing for the blossoming superstars.

    Pouliot RNH Eberle
    Hall McDavid Yakupov
    Draisaitl Lander Jagr
    Hendricks Gordon Whoever
    Whoever

    I’d want more than Talbot for #16. It is more than likely a bonifide top 10 pick is available there, as Zacha and Crouse probably go early. Another legitimate defensive talent (Kylington, werenski could be available), or Timo Meier looks like a helluva player. They would have to add. Problem is the only prospect I kind of like is Halverson. I don’t know if we can make this work. Maybe a 2nd for Talbot, and I don’t know about 33.

  68. Stelio Kontos says:

    rickithebear,

    Every single time, I wonder where these magic numbers come from. Specifically your QoC seems to be out of whack with common knowledge.

  69. fifthcartel says:

    I like Talbot too, but I just can’t see him being worth the 16th pick. Stauffer said they will use the 2nd/3rds to find a goalie and I’d be okay with a 2nd + a 3rd at most but that first is too valuable to spend on Talbot.

  70. Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker) says:

    Messier11edm,

    If you can get Jones for Draisaitl, you do it in a heartbeat. While it would be nice to have Draisaitl in a 3C role ala Staal, Jones is an upcoming 1D and could singlehandedly shore up the back end. In not too long, Nurse could also be if not a 1D, pretty close. Drai adds amazing depth, but Jones adds so much more. Point is probably moot though, I doubt Nashville does that deal.

    Nurse Jones
    Klefbom Marincin
    Fayne XXX
    XXX

  71. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Stelio Kontos,

    Jagr has already signed a contract extension with the Panthers.

  72. Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker) says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Shoot, completely missed that one. This is a dark world without Capgeek.

  73. blainer says:

    Kmart99:
    If nothing else, Howson’s original evaluation of Lander was a good one.Hard to believe how far his game has come along in the last year.

    I’m convinced Eakins wasn’t helping.Other than the fact that McDavid wouldn’t be ours without him.

    To have a future C depth chart of CMD, Huge, Drai, and Lander would be dreamy.Lander seems more than ready for the 3C job, but hopefully by the end of 2016 Draisaitl has developed enough to compete for that spot with Lander.

    I truly believe this team is 3dmen, 2goalies, and 1 winger away from contention.I also think Chia will be able to fill 4 of those holes this summer.(2dmen,1goalie,1winger).Grab an extra dman at the deadline.

    I wonder which Drai we have… The one like Kopitar and Backstrom who were top centers who were outstanding in in their NHL debuts after going back to their leagues for a year or is he Turris and or johansen…

  74. BlueNoteNorth says:

    Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker):
    Dashingsilverfox,

    Shoot, completely missed that one. This is a dark world without Capgeek.

    Try spotrac.com – not as extensive as Capgeek was but does show multi-year cap figures

  75. hags9k says:

    The Draisatl for Jones talk is interesting, but I keep wondering if there might be a Draisatl for Hanifin deal available if the Coyotes take Strome ahead of the Leafs.

    I don’t want to see Leon traded but I also don’t want to die of old age before seeing LT’s balance photo. A Jones or a Hannifin would really help to balance the roster. 3 scoring lines is a great idea, but how about we start with 2 and a couple good D men.

    Maybe we can upgrade the D adequately in free agency and keep Leon and maybe he ends up a winger with this group, but we have to keep an open mind. We may have to say goodbye to something we love up front. The D has just been so bad for so long.

    And we do still have Gordon, Lander and could add a Roy or Soderberg for only money. My preference is to go hell bent for FA D and then once camp comes, you keep all of these young guns to see who might have chem with 97. At that point though, if the D is still suspect and Leon doesn’t seem to fit in the top 9 yet, I think you have to see what he would bring back for D.

    GOILERS!

  76. Dashingsilverfox says:

    BlueNoteNorth,

    There’s a new cap site up and running:

    http://www.generalfanager.com

  77. fifthcartel says:

    Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker),

    http://www.generalfanager.com/ is the best I’ve seen. Most user friendly and getting up to date real quick.

  78. Woodguy says:

    Finally got around to looking at my first round predictions:

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2015/05/1st-round-results-and-2nd-round-look.html

  79. Lloyd B. says:

    **thread jack alert** Interesting if Matthews signs in Switzerland. Gets drafted out of Europe next year and can go straight into NHL or AHL. And make $500,000 this year to boot.

    This may be the beginning of the end of telling 18 year olds they can’t work to make money so they have to go back to playing junior.(how there hasn’t been a legal challenge to that always amazes me)

    I’m aware that isn’t the case with Matthews but I reckon a lot of agents will now be counselling their clients to consider it.

  80. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Seguin scores…Canada up 1-0.

  81. Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker) says:

    Lloyd B.,

    Yeah never really got this. I would want my kids to finish school, but the Nurses and Draisaitls of the world should be in europe. If I were the Oil, I would partner with a euro team and feed them some of these tweeter type players.

  82. Woodguy says:

    Lloyd B.:
    **thread jack alert**Interesting if Matthews signs in Switzerland. Gets drafted out of Europe next year and can go straight into NHL or AHL. And make $500,000 this year to boot.

    This may be the beginning of the end of telling 18 year olds they can’t work to make money so they have to go back to playing junior.(how there hasn’t been a legal challenge to that always amazes me)

    I’m aware that isn’t the case with Matthews but I reckon a lot of agents will now be counselling their clients to consider it.

    Big thing here is that Matthews is not in the CHL, but in the USHL.

    CHL players sign contracts at 15 which would keep them from bolting to Europe at 17.

  83. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    Finally got around to looking at my first round predictions:

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2015/05/1st-round-results-and-2nd-round-look.html

    The Jets were extremely banged up in that first round. They were playing playoff hockey for about a month and a half, hitting everything in sight. A team can not play that type of hockey for a long time without injuries piling up. Jets are a prime example of this.

    Ladd had some terrible defensive giveaways. Big buff also had some mental and physical breakdowns that cost the team.

    I bet on the jets who r my second favorite team. And I almost, almost bet $100 against the Flames with another buddy in the first round. I owe him 10 pints from the regular season so I’m glad I declined the playoff bet.

  84. BlueNoteNorth says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Perfect. Thanks.

  85. Lois Lowe says:

    Happy Mothers Day to all! Another of the regular posters and I have the distinct pleasure of sharing one of the most amazing women as our family matriarch. You better have called her already!! We all forgot flowers this year.

    Woodguy,

    I think it certainly becomes more viable for players that are slated to go in the top of the draft. The USHL can then either lead to an NCAA program, the CHL, or a European club team. If I’m an agent of a 14 or 15 year old player, it’s an option I discuss seriously with his parents. There’s no real advantage to committing to be a “student athlete” when there’s money on the table and a more direct path to professional hockey.

  86. leadfarmer says:

    If they are thinking about trading that 16th ov pick for Talbot they better trade the pick down a couple of times to about 25th overall before they do and collect at least another 2nd round pick. Backup goalies are not worth that much. If you look for a market for Talbot you realize that there isn’t going to be that many teams lining up to get him. Before the playoffs started the only backups I would give that pick for were Mrazek and Vasilevskyi. Don’t think you get Mrazek anymore.

    Arizona – yeah they need a goalie, but they aren’t giving away a first round pick for a goalie that may walk in a year.
    Buffalo, definitely not giving up a first round pick for a guy that is likely to walk.
    Anaheim – set in goal
    Boston – set in goal
    Calgary – not giving up a first. Set in goal
    Carolina – still have Ward, maybe want to go another way
    Chicago – Crawford is playing well in playoffs. One of Raanta, Darling is probably available
    Colorado- set in goal
    Columbus – set in goal
    Dallas- Maybe. Don’t know they’re goalie situation well enough
    Detroit – Set in goal. Mrazek, Howard. Long term will have to pick one but probably have at least a year
    Edmonton – Needs a goalie or two
    Florida – set in goal
    LA – set in goal, backup may shake loose
    Minny – Dubnyk is staying. Set in goal
    Montreal – set in goal
    Nashville – set in goal
    NJ – set in goal
    NYI – fairly set. Definitely won’t give a first for a goalie
    NYR – set in goal. Talbot will shake loose
    Ottawa- set in goal. At least one goalie shakes loose
    Philly – set in goal
    Pitts – They are stuck with Fleury. Don’t have a first anyway
    SJ – Needs a goalie if Niemi leaves
    St. Louis – May seek upgrade but then one of Elliott or Allen shakes loose so net even on market
    Tampa – set in goal
    Toronto – Reimer and Bernier. Don’t see them trading a first for a player that may leave in a year. Rebuild year
    Vancouver- set in goal. Think Miller shakes loose in a year
    Washington – set in goal
    Winnipeg – Pavelec and Hutch. Don’t think they would send a first for a goalie

    Thats not very many potential landing spots considering that Niemi, Neuvirth, and maybe Ramo will fill 2-3 of them.

  87. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: Big thing here is that Matthews is not in the CHL, but in the USHL.

    CHL players sign contracts at 15 which would keep them from bolting to Europe at 17.

    What fucking judge says no you cannot leave the CHL for 1 yr at 500,000. CHL will not stand in front of a judge and say
    I know we do not pay them minimum wage but help us keep them from earning a real income!

  88. Dashingsilverfox says:

    leadfarmer,

    Don’t discount Vancouver moving a goalie this summer.

    While Miller and Lack are under contract for next season, Markstrom (.934 in the AHL) is RFA as is Joacim Erickson (.908).

    They also have Joe Cannata (.932 in 5 AHL games) on the farm.

    Then there is Thatcher Demko who they drafted in the second round last season and posted .925 with Boston College.

    Demko is likely a couple years away at best but Markstrom looks like he’s ready to be at least a backup in the NHL so I wouldn’t be surprised, if they can’t move Miller, that they might put Lack on the market.

    Lack would be a great acquisition by the Oilers but the Canucks would likely want a premium to move him within the division.

  89. Cahoon says:

    If there is a chance of getting Roy at 16th, I don’t think you trade that pick for Talbot, especially 1 year of Talbot, and I like Talbot.

    Woodguy, did you post your other IPP outliers and I missed it?

    Seeing Roy being well over 20% on both his draft year and his draft-1 makes me want him a lot.

  90. Lois Lowe says:

    rickithebear,

    Pretty much every judge across Canada would see a valid contract and would have no authority to void it. Because common law.

  91. Lloyd B. says:

    Woodguy,

    I should have been clearer in stating “I know thats not the case here”. I should have said he is in the USHL. Having said that I would suspect with the USHL getting some traction it may be a better alternative for the 15 yr olds to think about going stateside instead of CHL. Faster route to the big money if Europe is an option. Certainly the CHL is the better development league at this time but the gap appears to be closing quickly.

    edit. I see Lois beat me to it.

  92. leadfarmer says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Wait you’re the one that disagreed with me two weeks ago about the very same thing. Good to see you’ve come around

  93. Gally says:

    rickithebear,

    The judge that looks at the contract the player and his guardians signed at 15 says, no you may not breach your contract.

  94. Gally says:

    jm363561:

    I have a question, not knowing enough about how hockey ops work – how likely is it that a GM will start to make roster changes before a new coach is onboard?

    Reasonable to highly. The GM builds the team and hires the coach to run his version of the team. The GM may take coaches notes into consideration, but in the scheme of things, the coach isn’t implicitly relevant to roster construction.

  95. Yak2 says:

    What about trying to pry Ryan O’ Reilly from COL? Might come at a hefty price but would be worth it

  96. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Eberle makes it 4-1 Canada.

  97. Dashingsilverfox says:

    And Eakin makes it 5-1.

  98. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Yak2:
    What about trying to pry Ryan O’ Reilly from COL? Might come at a hefty price but would be worth it

    I’d wager he ends up in Toronto in a trade for Phaneuf.

  99. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear: What fucking judge says no you cannot leave the CHL for 1 yr at 500,000. CHL will not stand in front of a judge and say
    I know we do not pay them minimum wage but help us keep them from earning a real income!

    Contract law Ricki.

  100. Gally says:

    I think if McClellan is named coach, we can rule out Niemi signing here. Recall the playoffs when Todd jumped at the first opportunity to bench Niemi for Stalock? I don’t imagine Todd has much faith in Niemi, and their relationship is probably strained. In 13-14 Stalock posted a 0.932% and replaced Niemi in the playoffs. It’s likely he might have took over this year, but he cratered and posted a 0.902% in 22 games this year. Only the Oilers ride out a 0.902 guy as a starter, but that’s because their backup is worse yet.

    Besides, Niemi is 31, and other than the lockout season has been decidedly NHL average the last 4 seasons in raw save percentage.

  101. Woodguy says:

    Lois Lowe,

    Definitely interesting to see the ramifications of this.

    I don’t see too many 14 year olds opting out of the Q/O/W drafts though.

  102. rickithebear says:

    Stelio Kontos:
    rickithebear,

    Every single time, I wonder where these magic numbers come from. Specifically your QoC seems to be out of whack with common knowledge.

    Behind the net:
    Top 65

  103. VanOil says:

    I have enjoyed seeing Hall and Eberle playing for Canada this spring. May I never have to see it again.

    Hall & Eberle look very comfortable in a top line role on this stacked all star team.

  104. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: Contract law Ricki.

    Child Labour:
    minimum wage.

    Non performance/non payment?

  105. rickithebear says:

    Gally:
    rickithebear,

    The judge that looks at the contract the player and his guardians signed at 15 says, no you may not breach your contract.

    A judge looks at the parents and looks at contract that does not pay minimum wage and says to the guardians. You are not of sound mind.

    Does not even get into binding there child into CHL servitude beyond guardian age.
    Re: no AHL entry at 18.

    CHL better stay the fuck away!

    Guys like you would go back to 12 years olds working in the factory!

    There are laws!

    Unless you are telling me they cannot cut any of the Junior players from there contract!

    What no guarantees!

    But that is correct! Junior players add no value to CHL game.

    So nothing lost from breach!

  106. Younger Oil says:

    Friedman’s 30 thoughts is up, lots of interesting Oiler talk.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-top-3-contenders-for-mike-babcock/

  107. wheatnoil says:

    Younger Oil:
    Friedman’s 30 thoughts is up, lots of interesting Oiler talk.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-top-3-contenders-for-mike-babcock/

    Friedman reports that the Oilers are interested in Swiss D-man Dean Kukan. 21 year old left shooting D-man. 6’2″. Elite prospects says, “Kukan has good size and is a fairly skilled two-way defenseman. Plays a pretty solid defensive game and has good character and work ethics. Moves the puck well (EP, 2012)”

    ISS had him at #56 on their international list in 2013.

  108. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear: Child Labour:
    minimum wage.

    Non performance/non payment?

    It would make for an interesting case, but my money is on the contract holding up.

  109. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Sean Couturier showing what he can do when he plays an offensive role.

    1G 2A today.

  110. Lois Lowe says:

    Woodguy,

    Would they have to opt out though? A team may hold their rights should they choose to play in the CHL, but they could just as easily start playing in the USHL, no? I’m unsure if the league has import rules or the like.

  111. Yeti says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Sean Couturier showing what he can do when he plays an offensive role.

    You must be mistaken. I have it on good authority that Sean Couturier has no offense.

  112. wheatnoil says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Woodguy,

    Would they have to opt out though? A team may hold their rights should they choose to play in the CHL, but they could just as easily start playing in the USHL, no? I’m unsure if the league has import rules or the like.

    During the lockout, Yakupov played in the KHL despite being “sent back to Juniors” on paper with the Oilers. I remember his OHL team kicked up a minor stink about it but that didn’t stop it from happening. Now, that was draft + 1 and not draft – 1. Not sure if that makes a difference.

  113. SwedishPoster says:

    Kukan has potential, played well in Luleå, moves both the puck and his feet well. Was surprised he never got drafted a few years ago. Would likely need AHL time so I don’t see a great fit for the Oil with all our LHD coming up.

  114. Woodguy says:

    Younger Oil:
    Friedman’s 30 thoughts is up, lots of interesting Oiler talk.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-top-3-contenders-for-mike-babcock/

    Certainly sounds like McLellen is a done deal.

    Now we need some Dmen and a G.

  115. Woodguy says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Woodguy,

    Would they have to opt out though? A team may hold their rights should they choose to play in the CHL, but they could just as easily start playing in the USHL, no? I’m unsure if the league has import rules or the like.

    I really have no clue.

    Interesting though.

  116. Marc says:

    Woodguy: Certainly sounds like McLellen is a done deal.

    Now we need some Dmen and a G.

    It’s amazing how things can change in such a short time.

    We went from:
    “We hoped for the best but it turned out like always.”
    to
    “McLellan or Babcock. There’s no wrong answer here.”
    in less than a month.

    Woot!!!!!

  117. Heinz 57 says:

    Lois Lowe,

    From what I know, labour is one the more complicated part of contract law. This is why non-compete contracts tend not to hold up and also why organizations that verge on cartel status have to be careful about what they demand.

    There are actually many things it is not possible to contract away. One of those, often, is future employability in your chosen profession.

    Why we shouldn’t trust markets with our civic life

    Today, there are very few things that money can’t buy. If you’re sentenced to a jail term in Santa Barbara, California, you should know that if you don’t like the standard accommodations, you can buy a prison cell upgrade. It’s true. For how much, do you think? What would you guess? Five hundred dollars? It’s not the Ritz-Carlton. It’s a jail! Eighty-two dollars a night. Eighty-two dollars a night. If you go to an amusement park and don’t want to stand in the long lines for the popular rides, there is now a solution. In many theme parks, you can pay extra to jump to the head of the line. They call them Fast Track or VIP tickets.

    This is why The Wolf of Wall Street ends on a positive note for Mr Wolf. As he dryly notes, in America, just about everything is for sale.

    Most of us believe that markets for having sex with twelve-year-old girls shouldn’t exist. Past this point of broad consensus, the debate quickly becomes murky and ideological.

    Limits on contracts and limits on markets are not terribly far apart, conceptually.

    Especially contracts where you are effectively signing away your future right of contract (whether for a set or indefinite time period) come under special scrutiny.

    There are valid reasons for such contracts to exist, e.g. one side must invest before reaping the financial rewards—so long as cartel-hood doesn’t have its thumb on the scale when the terms are negotiated.

    EDIT: A certain person who shall remain nameless sure as hell picked the wrong state to go for a bubbly spinorama.

  118. Lowetide says:

    I dug up a couple of things on Dean Kukan

    http://oilersnation.com/2015/5/10/who-is-dean-kukan

  119. thejonrmcleod says:

    I’d have to guess that not too many Swiss boys are named Dean.

  120. AsiaOil says:

    So pretty much any judge would be in favor of a contract signed by a MINOR that makes him work for free in a “for profit” environment instead of earning $500,000 overseas? Canadian junior hockey’s exploitation of child labor is despicable and Canadians should be ashamed of the whole system – and that’s before we even get into how these kids destroy their brains and bodies for peanuts.

    Lois Lowe:
    rickithebear,

    Pretty much every judge across Canada would see a valid contract and would have no authority to void it. Because common law.

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