LIVING FOR THE CITY

A year ago, I wrote the following:

  • Maybe the Oilers are wise to trade Gagner for Kulikov, draft Leon Draisaitl, give Anton Lander and Mark Arcobello and Tyler Pitlick and Steve Pinizzotto a season to establish themselves. The fan base will develop more rage, we’ll bitch and moan about the arena, and I’ll write about Connor McDavid. McDavid’s NHLE is 82gp, 13-31-44—the point total is close to Hall’s (46) in his draft year. There is little doubt he’s a generational talent, and the Oilers must have a book on him. Is it worth one more year of suck?
  • If the Edmonton Oilers finish 28th again next season, and draft third overall, do they have the assets to move up from three to one? Maybe. It would depend on the team at number one, but at some point the current center of the cluster may give way to yet another. Incredible. Either way, the idea of hanging on for another season of suck is beyond noxious for you and me, but for the Edmonton Oilers it is a possibility. The Edmonton Oilers may be 12 months away from becoming Connor McDavid’s team. The actions of Craig MacTavish this summer will tell us how they feel about another winter of discontent.
  • There was a time when I would have balked at the idea of Craig MacTavish flushing a season. Acquisitions like Mark Fraser and his postseason presser give me pause. There is little to no evidence that this team turned north in the final 30 games, and the spin was clumsy—impossible from such a gifted orator, but it happened just the same. I entered last summer with hope and anticipation, but the postseason media conference and the late-season activity leave me ashen.

Source

Most of that came true, including another noxious and plodding post-season media avail from Craig MacTavish. I don’t believe the Oilers planned out the entire disaster (after all, the GM and the coach didn’t survive in their roles) but it’s also true that MacT didn’t fix the goaltending early (or at all) and by the time Dallas Eakins was fired it was pretty much over.

We haven’t heard too much about Peter Chiarelli’s plans, but for me there’s a real urgency to get things done. Why? Connor McDavid’s entry-level deal means three seasons of ridiculous value from one contract. Remember our multiple discussions about those? When the Oilers went to the SCF, all of Hemsky, Horcoff, Stoll, Torres and Pisani were value deals:

  1. Marc Andre Bergeron ($931k). Bergeron played 1600 minutes in the 05-06 season, 350 of that on the powerplay. He delivered 2.74/60 with the man advantage but was pretty solid at EVs (1/60) and his 15-20-35 for the season was exceptional for the price.
  2. Ales Hemsky ($901,740). Hemsky played 1375 minutes in the 05-06 season, slightly over 400 of them on the powerplay. His PP/60 number (6.17) was very nice, his EV number 2.25 was a little better than he managed this past season (2.09) but that PP number helped him lead the team in scoring (19-58-77) and he delivered 6-11-17 in the playoffs too. A wonderful payoff for less than a million, a season to remember.
  3. Shawn Horcoff ($1M). Horcoff played almost 1600 minutes, almost 300 on the PP and 225 on the PK. In 05-06 he went 3-3-6 on the PK (about 1.6/60), went 4.82/60 on the PP and then 2.44 at EVs and this was against the other team’s good players.
  4. Fernando Pisani ($611,800). In 05-06 he was excellent in the regular year and ridiculous in the postseason. Pisani played 1100 minutes in 05-06, 150 on the PP. He did a lot of heavy lifting at EVs and still managed to score 1.84/60 (he was 1.39 this past season) and 3.59 on the PP. Pisani was Guy Lafleur in the post season, 14-4-18 in a run I will never forget. At $611,800 he was ridiculous value.
  5. Jarret Stoll ($501,600). Stoll played 1500 minutes in 05-06, 410 on the PP and 200 on the PK. He was a pretty valuable hockey player. On the PP he was 4.53 (4.2 this season) and at EVs he was 2.35 (2.2 this season) on the way to 82gp, 22-46-68 totals. At the price, he was extremely valuable.
  6. Raffi Torres ($875,000). Raffi played 1100 minutes in 05-06, 224 of them on the PP. He’s pretty famous for wandering out there but his results have always been solid. His EV number in 05-06 (2.07) was pretty close to this past season (1.94) and his PP number (2.95) was better than this year (0.40). At this price, he was a bargain.

The Oilers had SIX guys making far less than value, and that was a big damn deal on the 2005-06 team. Credit should be given Chris Pronger, Dwayne Roloson, Ryan Smyth, Mike Peca and others for that season and playoff run, but those value contracts were massive in terms of quality and depth. Massive.

POSSIBLE VALUE CONTRACTS 2015-16

  • C Connor McDavid. He isn’t an Oilers player yet, but if everything holds true this player will be a major bargain even with the bonus structure.
  • R Nail Yakupov. At $2.5M, the young Russian has a chance to deliver well north of that number in real value.
  • C Anton Lander. $988K cap hit should represent fantastic value if Lander can continue as he did in the back half of last season.
  • D Oscar Klefbom. $1.244M for a solid top 4D is a very good number.

Added to a player like Taylor Hall (who has a fantastic contract), Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jordan Eberle, Benoit Pouliot and others, these value deals mean the Oilers have true quality deeper into the lineup. There are four I see, it would be great if Peter Chiarelli could add two more, but it’s more likely we see ‘value contracts’ emerge from the underlying group that might include Iiro Pakarinen, Martin Marincin, Andrew Miller and others. A lot of those decisions will depend on the coach.

Chiarelli’s list of things to do might look like this:

  • Identify and hire the coach/assistants
  • Draft Connor McDavid
  • Draft substantial talents after him for the ‘McDavid cluster’
  • Acquire a top pairing defender
  • Acquire a replacement for Jeff Petry
  • Acquire a starting goaltender
  • Acquire a ‘Pisani’, and that player could be a center like Carl Soderberg

Fair? I think that’s fair. Getting the right coach hired one month before the draft would be ideal, but if they have to wait awhile then so be it. Quite a lot of chatter now about Mike Babcock not being the right ‘fit’ but for me that’s probably framing the issue after checking out level of interest. The Oilers, God love them, closely monitor public reaction to things and the verbal we’re seeing now (Hall and Ebs endorse McLellan, Oilers have talked to Holland but not Babcock) tell me that Babcock’s list probably doesn’t include Edmonton. Remember, it takes two to tango. Would love to be wrong on this btw, I think Babcock would be golden for the Oilers. I’m also convinced McLellan would be golden too, btw.

EETU

  • Shawn Mullin: I know the Oilers were interested in Laurikainen when he was in Swift Current and it didn’t come together. In a year of pro hockey in Finland he not only showed his junior numbers were no fluke… he improved them in his country’s top professional league. Laurikainen was good enough that he was runner up for the league’s rookie of the year award. Source

That link has some great information, well worth the read. I think Laurikainen is No. 4 on the depth chart (behind the new starter, Scrivens, Brossoit) but it’s also important to remember that the organization is going to give this young man a shot. If he stops pucks at .920 or better in the AHL, he will get an NHL chance during this contract.

wood time

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

10 this morning, TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. The new goalie, the coaching situation and the WHC’s.
  • Mike Ringrose, Spruce Grove Saints and Vimy hockey. I want to  talk about coaching personalities, the stern types versus the rah-rah types and the importance of assistant coaches in the process.
  • Darrin Bauming, TSN1290. The Blue Bombers had a helluva draft by my eye, we’ll talk about it.
  • Justin Bourne, The Score. Habs last team out among the Canadian NHL clubs, do they have to do something drastic like hire Mike Babcock?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. 90 minutes!

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182 Responses to "LIVING FOR THE CITY"

  1. PeOiler says:

    Good Stevie Wonder song? No doubt.

    Best Stevie Wonder song? Now we’re talking.

  2. leadfarmer says:

    Sorry to bring up the DSF debacle from last night, but I think people forget; he has his own blog. If people really want to have a conversation with him, there is an easy way to find him.

  3. zatch says:

    I have never had such hope for this team’s future. The draft, the first week of July, and October can’t come soon enough.

  4. Bar_Qu says:

    PeOiler:
    Good Stevie Wonder song?No doubt.

    Best Stevie Wonder song?Now we’re talking.

    Excellent point.

    I am having a good music morning. Moved from Jimmy Cliff (thanks Daredevil!) to this song.

    Almost makes up for the gong show that was getting my kids up and out the door today. Yeesh.

    LT,

    Did you have a “To do” list for MacT prior to Chiarelli? I can’t remember and it might be interesting to compare the lists BC to AMcD.

  5. Ben says:

    That 05/06 team was really buoyed by the vestiges of thrifty pre-cap management, despite having added CFP and Peca that summer.

    Funny – the NHL imposes a salary cap, and shortly thereafter the team gets a billionaire fanboy owner. But if ever there was an example of someone winning the lottery and ending up broke and alone in a ditch a year later, it is embodied by this team.

    That’s the thing about being on a budget: it forces you to identify value far more scrupulously. When you’re scrambling for rent money, you don’t drink champagne by the glass in the Old Port, and you don’t give Nikita Nikitin $9M.

  6. oliveoilers says:

    leadfarmer:
    Sorry to bring up the DSF debacle from last night, but I think people forget; he has his own blog.If people really want to have a conversation with him, there is an easy way to find him.

    If I remember, a lot of people on here were reminiscing about how DSF wasn’t that bad, and that he always has something to contribute.

    The collective LT blogosphere said his name five times in front of the mirror, and now here he is in all his glory.

    Learning that he taught journalism is no surprise. He knows exactly what to say and how to say it in order to elicit emotion, often negative.

    That he is intelligent, there is no doubt. He even does chip in the odd salient point, but it is usually either back-handed or later qualified in another post that is detrimental to the Oilers.

    I said at the time and I’ll say it again: A super-smart troll is still a troll.

    And that’s all I gotta say about that…

    Now, in other news; CONNOR MCDAVID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTT!

  7. zatch says:

    Can someone give me a calm, neutral, Executive Summary on the DSF thing from last night? I missed it as I was cleaning like a devil for In-Laws over for dinner and my brother visiting from NS.

  8. Bar_Qu says:

    oliveoilers,

    Whoooooott!

  9. coolwasabi says:

    Connor freaking McDavid. Still can’t believe it.

    Anyway, I like the Eetu Laurikainen signing. Goalies are voodoo so there’s no reason to NOT save a draft pick and fast forward a couple years of development.

  10. Bar_Qu says:

    Something that I wondered, reading the Andrew Miller write-up is I wonder what guys like Gaudreau and Tyler Johnson have done for small skilled forwards in the NHL?

    Are there going to be more spaces available if guys like these continue to blow the doors off? Or if they are flops in their sophmore years will there be fewer and fewer spaces?

    Just random thoughts.

  11. Rational Zealot says:

    Baseball Think Factory has been for many years the best website in the world (slight hyperbole). It is much like this place but larger. It has an ignore function which, while I’ve never used it, seems to work. Once you reach a critical mass, there are going to be people who rub others the wrong way. It is easy to say, just ignore them. That’s what I do. However, it is even easier to have an ignore function which ignores them for you.

  12. supernova says:

    oliveoilers: If I remember, a lot of people on here were reminiscing about how DSF wasn’t that bad, and that he always has something to contribute.

    The collective LT blogosphere said his name five times in front of the mirror, and now here he is in all his glory.

    Learning that he taught journalism is no surprise.He knows exactly what to say and how to say it in order to elicit emotion, often negative.

    That he is intelligent, there is no doubt.He even does chip in the odd salient point, but it is usually either back-handed or later qualified in another post that is detrimental to the Oilers.

    I said at the time and I’ll say it again:A super-smart troll is still a troll.

    And that’s all I gotta say about that…

    Now, in other news;CONNOR MCDAVID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTT!

    oliveoilers,

    The thing with DSF is you get him nailed to one of his takes.

    I did so a few years ago. Post SCF he insisted that Canucks had the best Centers in the league and would win the cup because of that.

    I told him quit hooping from team to team looking for examples of where every team is better than the Oilers.

    He made the Guarentee to me that with Torts as coach they would be top team in West.

    One year of torts ….

    Which is fine because we are all wrong from time to time.
    DSF never had the courage to admit he was wrong even when we discussed it several times, I even copy and pasted the conversation.

    I actually enjoyed the back and forth with DSF but he never admits when he is wrong.

    He is just here to incite and antagonize.

    Why fall in to that ?

    Just disregard him if you disagree with him, that’s what he does to us

  13. leadfarmer says:

    zatch,

    You know that thing he does in every thread. Pretty much the same thing.

  14. Ducey says:

    Got my copy of the Hockey News Draft Preview in the mail yesterday. McDavid is on the front in an Oilers jersey.

    A lot of the player summaries were interesting in that they raised negative points about most of the players. A lot of the time draft previews are full of fluff.

    I can’t wait for the draft.

    Too bad the Habs crapped out. It would have been nice for the Oilers to have another 3rd rounder.

  15. dustrock says:

    Bar_Qu: Something that I wondered, reading the Andrew Miller write-up is I wonder what guys like Gaudreau and Tyler Johnson have done for small skilled forwards in the NHL?Are there going to be more spaces available if guys like these continue to blow the doors off? Or if they are flops in their sophmore years will there be fewer and fewer spaces?Just random thoughts.

    Great question. I think that’s what everyone is trying to figure out. Gaudreau took his time and now he’s playing well, Johnson was such a low priority for how he turned out.

    I would think, at a general level, that smaller players may find it harder along the boards and containing players in the defensive zone, but if you’ve got a good hockey IQ and great skating, you should be able to compete, if not thrive.

    Speed in counterattack & transition through the neutral zone seems that it’s becoming more important, so it you’ve got those skills, I think teams will be looking more closely than they would a few years ago.

  16. oliveoilers says:

    Ducey: Got my copy of the Hockey News Draft Preview in the mail yesterday. McDavid is on the front in an Oilers jersey.

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!

  17. Pouzar says:

    leadfarmer: Sorry to bring up the DSF debacle from last night, but I think people forget; he has his own blog. If people really want to have a conversation with him, there is an easy way to find him.

    Also, how many times will we have this “DSF should be banned” discussion?
    A lot more. Then guys like G and others who are posting less and less will be gone for good.
    It’s too bad because this place was really awesome when he wasn’t posting. Just stating fact. I don’t wish to get into any philosophical debate on whether or not someone should or shouldn’t be banned. We’re all big boys and we can come and go as we please. I know my days are numbered here but that’s my problem. I just long for the good ol days! *sniff* *sniff*

  18. Halfwise says:

    supernova,

    leadfarmer,

    This thread does not have to be about that distracting, slippery fellow.

  19. striatic says:

    All season I thought that it would be a travesty if McDavid were to be allowed to go to Edminton. Bad for the game of Hockey.

    Nicholson and Chiarelli have changed that attitude considerably but the truth is that until we see the roster and coaching choices they make, the legacy they’ve inherited points to doom.

    Interesting summer ahead. Not just for the sake of the Oilers but for the sake of the NHL i hope Chiarelli is successful.

  20. dustrock says:

    Pouzar: Also, how many times will we have this “DSF should be banned” discussion?A lot more. Then guys like G and others who are posting less and less will be gone for good.It’s too bad because this place was really awesome when he wasn’t posting. Just stating fact. I don’t wish to get into any philosophical debate on whether or not someone should or shouldn’t be banned. We’re all big boys and we can come and go as we please. I know my days are numbered here but that’s my problem. I just long for the good ol days! *sniff* *sniff*

    I think LT can put whatever rules he wants in place on his blog, there’s nothing that compels him to leave it open to anyone to post.

    If DSF is causing such a stir here (also happened at HFB a while back), then why not permaban him?

  21. leadfarmer says:

    Halfwise,

    If it’s only one more thread to end this discussion forever I think it’s worth it. I was ready to leave this site after being here every day since 2008. LT put me through intern year, 4 years of residency and a year long fellowship. MacT, Lowe being moved to other duties and winning the lotto kept me around this last month. And this is the last I will say on this subject.

  22. supernova says:

    Pouzar: Also, how many times will we have this “DSF should be banned” discussion?
    A lot more. Then guys like G and others who are posting less and less will be gone for good.
    It’s too bad because this place was really awesome when he wasn’t posting. Just stating fact. I don’t wish to get into any philosophical debate on whether or not someone should or shouldn’t be banned. We’re all big boys and we can come and go as we please. I know my days are numbered here but that’s my problem. I just long for the good ol days!*sniff* *sniff*

    Pouzar,

    Why are they numbered ?

    Please don’t leave

  23. Ribs says:

    Draft substantial talents after him for the ‘McDavid cluster’

    It’d be nice if they didn’t treat Pittsburgh’s first round pick as a freebie pick like they seem to usually do and actually draft someone helpful.

    Just pretend like that’s your only first round pick. McDavid is the freebie. Get it right.

  24. TheGreatMutato says:

    oliveoilers:
    Now, in other news;CONNOR MCDAVID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTT!

    Awwwwwe yeaaaaaaaaah!!! WOOOOOOOO!!!!!

  25. MadocNicely says:

    If he upsets you so much just don’t pay attention. I’m just a lurker, but feel like I need to say I am smart enough to not read DSF posts most of the time and if I do, not to get upset or respond (not that I ever respond) because there’s no point.

  26. Pouzar says:

    supernova: Pouzar, Why are they numbered ? Please don’t leave

    I couldn’t care less about DSF’s comments as I know some are obvious trolls. It’s the thread hijacking that inevitably happens. It frustrates the shit out of me. I left HF because of it and most likely I will here. Nothing more to it than that. Not worth the aggravation.

  27. RENNAVATE says:

    We should remember than while DSF might often incite, you do have the option of just ignoring his comments.

  28. Gordie Wayne says:

    Hi Lowetide,

    Longtime reader, first time poster here! Love your blog, the amount of effort and quality that you put into it is outstanding!

    Just wanted to add a couple of items to Chia’s list (see my changes in bold below):

    Chiarelli’s list of things to do might look like this:
    Identify and hire the coach/assistants

    Draft Connor McDavid

    Draft substantial talents after him for the ‘McDavid cluster’

    Acquire a top pairing defender

    Acquire another top pairing defender

    Acquire a replacement for Jeff Petry

    Acquire a proven starting goaltender

    Get rid of Scrivens (either via trade or buyout) and replace with a backup that has future starter potiential (i.e. Ramo, Neuvirth, Lehner, etc)

    Acquire a ‘Pisani’, and that player could be a center like Carl Soderberg

  29. Woogie63 says:

    Draft question….

    Driasaitl to Arizona for the third overall this year and then select Hanafin.

    Gives Arizona a centre to build from vs. a dman which they already have, and they get an older player with a longer track record to help re-start their program.

    Oilers get a RHD which fits their needs better than a 3rd line centre….and they pick up one additional year on an ELC

  30. TheGreatMutato says:

    Gordie Wayne:

    Get rid of Scrivens (either via trade or buyout) and replace with a backup that has future starter potiential (i.e. Ramo, Neuvirth, Lehner, etc)

    That’s not exactly easy to identify. Before Oilers, Scrivens would have fit the description of ‘backup that has future starter potential’. The Oilers have been a meat-grinder for goalies and I don’t know if the solution is to continue bringing in fresh, unproven lambs.

  31. HiddenDarts says:

    I’ll agree that the entertainment value of this blog does fall off a cliff when people starting feeding the troll. The vitriol that results is usually kind of yuck.

    DSF: If you bring him, they won’t come!

  32. RexLibris says:

    Halfwise:
    supernova,

    leadfarmer,

    This thread does not have to be about that distracting, slippery fellow.

    I don’t remember anyone mentioning Andy Serkis recently? Did I miss something?

  33. RexLibris says:

    oliveoilers: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!

    I was trying to think of another Oiler to wear #97 on his jersey.

    Apparently no one ever has.

    Seems rather…fitting.

    Pun unabashedly intended.

  34. Gay Leno says:

    As a reader for at least 3 years now, I can honestly say that I would prefer not to see DSF banned. Not only would that start a slippery slope of potential banning but it would also lead to significantly more groupthink here. We all know how well that works, being lifelong fans of the Oil.

    Sure DSF has his off days, as we all do, but we more often than not feed into his trolling side. Last night specifically, but also more regularly than not, there were far more posters attacking Mr. Fox than the opposite. Sure, he says inflammatory things, but they almost always are actually about something to do with hockey. In response, we see other posters attacking him and detailing the thread. My advice to posters is that instead of doing this to ourselves, do not reply to him if you cannot do so in a respectful way.

    G Money, I would specifically urge you to do so, as we all value your very insightful posts. However, when you engage with DSF, you do as much.to derail the thread as he does.

    I don’t know if its possible LT, but maybe there is a way to enable a blocking function through WordPress? Any comment containing a certain sequence of letters can be blocked individually at the reader’s end? That way, anyone who would prefer to, or those that get into immature debates with DSF can simply not see anything invloving him.

  35. Lowetide says:

    Woogie63:
    Draft question….

    Driasaitl to Arizona for the third overall this year and then select Hanafin.

    Gives Arizona a centre to build from vs. a dman which they already have, and they get an older player with a longer track record to help re-start their program.

    Oilers get a RHD which fits their needs better than a 3rd line centre….and they pick up one additional year on an ELC

    No. I’m not in love with the idea of trading Draisaitl. Big C’s are hard to find.

  36. leadfarmer says:

    Woogie63,

    I’d do it. Although this team has been waiting for Leon for a long long time. It does push the age back a year which is a negative.

  37. Lowetide says:

    Ribs:
    Draft substantial talents after him for the ‘McDavid cluster’

    It’d be nice if they didn’t treat Pittsburgh’s first round pick as a freebie pick like they seem to usually do and actually draft someone helpful.

    Just pretend like that’s your only first round pick. McDavid is the freebie. Get it right.

    God, THIS. ALL DAY.

  38. RexLibris says:

    On another note, and getting back to the mention of adding to the McDavid cluster, I was listening to 1260 last night and Guy Flaming was talking about Jansen Harkins and his exceptional vision and puck-moving ability.

    I’ve brought up Kylington before as a target for that Penguins pick but would be equally happy with Harkins as a prospect.

    Here’s his EP page: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=160158

    and the following excerpts which catch my eye

    A blue collar type two-way center. Heads-up player who makes high-percentage plays in all three zones; efficient in all situations. Smooth skater. Out-working the opposition and being hard to play against are leadership traits that Jansen Harkins most definitely embodies. (Curtis Joe, EP 2014)

    Has been getting many comparisons, due to his high-end playmaking ability and all-around game, to the player David Krejci. Comparable adaptive game and ability to shoot as well as pass the puck. [EP]

    If he is available at #16 then you absolutely take that kind of player. Intelligent, two-way play, high-percentage playmaking, noted work ethic with skill and good size at 6’1″ and 181lbs.

    Somebody is going to get a very good player there.

  39. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Ribs:
    Draft substantial talents after him for the ‘McDavid cluster’

    It’d be nice if they didn’t treat Pittsburgh’s first round pick as a freebie pick like they seem to usually do and actually draft someone helpful.

    Just pretend like that’s your only first round pick. McDavid is the freebie. Get it right.

    God, THIS. ALL DAY.

    Exactly.

    I went on about this when I did a draft review at Nations.

    Reviewing what teams did when they had multiple picks in a round and it seemed like their percentages actually dropped in those rounds vs times where they had a single selection.

    It’s like they use the second or sometimes even third pick in a round to spend like a drunken sailer and start making bad calls rather than taking a more cautious approach.

    Imagine that #15 is your first pick and use it accordingly is EXACTLY what the Oilers need to do.

  40. blainer says:

    Pouzar: I couldn’t care less about DSF’s comments as I know some are obvious trolls. It’s the thread hijacking that inevitably happens. It frustrates the shit out of me. I left HF because of it and most likely I will here. Nothing more to it than that. Not worth the aggravation.

    LOL.. Pouzar… I don’t respond to anything he says… He is just having fun trying to put all us oiler die hards in a spin.. what I don’t laugh at I just skip.. just like that trillion dollar guy that used to post..

  41. Acumen says:

    Gave up on the last thread due to the DSF commentary. Fresh day, fresh coffee, look at this thread… https://40.media.tumblr.com/aa092eb7eff61578e2caeb150d8d50cc/tumblr_nna5v9iYG91ttohs4o2_500.png

    LT has made his stance known. Deal, adjust, don’t respond.

    Regarding the post from today, I have to wonder if the plan hasn’t been to get one cluster in place, ie the veteran talent base we were lacking beyond Hemsky, Souray and Visnovsky, and make the cluster starting now be the value deal cluster.

    In terms of asset management, it makes sense–let the high end talent ripen on the vine (in this case the vine is exposed to wind, frost, and all sorts of other terrors) while procuring even more high end talent to be insulated by them and eventually push them out naturally. You land yourself a McDavid (WOOOOOOOOT!) and the whole thing gets legitimized real quick. The process shows a real disdain for the fans and players, but given the way the arena payments worked out I don’t believe the owner cared about that. This could be just another fantasy hockey league for him.

    It falls apart if there’s no (right handed) D men though.

    In any case, as my friend who likes to talk over every damn movie likes to say, ‘okay, now we’re getting to the good part!’

  42. RPG says:

    Chris Wescott ‏@TheChrisWescott 11m11 minutes ago
    Darnell Nurse is in the lineup tonight. #Oilers #OKCBarons

  43. Hall Awaits says:

    With the Oilers most likely walking away from Bunz and Tuohimaa, I wonder if we see another minor league goalie get signed this summer? Matty mentioned undrafted Taran Kozun ( the other day on Twitter. Wonder if there’s anything to it? I see most goalies, beyond Brossoit, in the organization being flipped this summer.

    NHL
    Talbot / Scrivens

    AHL
    Brossoit / Laurikainen

    ECHL
    Rimmer / Kozun

    People will argue Talbot, but I think this guy’s going to take off given the chance.

  44. stush18 says:

    RexLibris:
    On another note, and getting back to the mention of adding to the McDavid cluster, I was listening to 1260 last night and Guy Flaming was talking about Jansen Harkins and his exceptional vision and puck-moving ability.

    I’ve brought up Kylington before as a target for that Penguins pick but would be equally happy with Harkins as a prospect.

    Here’s his EP page: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=160158

    and the following excerpts which catch my eye

    If he is available at #16 then you absolutely take that kind of player. Intelligent, two-way play, high-percentage playmaking, noted work ethic with skill and good size at 6’1″ and 181lbs.

    Somebody is going to get a very good player there.

    I think there are other targets at 16, rather than harkins. Hes a player, dont get me wrong, but theres a chance one of the top ten slip, plus the europeans and skilled defensemen always seem to fall further than expected.

    Personally im hoping for werenski to somehow slide to us.

    1-mcdavid
    16-werenski
    33-anderrsson

    I can dream cant I?

  45. book¡je says:

    Regarding DSF, you will notice that many of us here don’t engage him. I did so a couple of times years ago and learned. It’s all a game for him. Its highly effective trolling.

    Those who continue to engage him…well, that’s on you. You should be smarter.

  46. slopitch says:

    Woogie63,

    I wouldn’t move Drai for Hanifan. If the play was say Drai + 16 for OEL, then I think Id do it.

    I’m spending way too much time lately trying to figure out how to get a #1D without moving Drai. Im kinda at OS Hamilton or bust. Because every other scenario involves Drai. You can’t get Seth Jones, Weber, OEL or Hamilton without a significant asset like him.

    I think the real question is, is say Talbot and Sekera enough. IE can they try a defence by committee approach or to they need that top pairing guy? I think they need a top pairing guy and Im at a loss as to how to acquire one.

  47. TheGreatMutato says:

    RPG,

    WOOOOOOOT!!!! NURRRRRSE!!!! Wooooooooooooo!

    Also, McDavid!

  48. Visually better says:

    First time contributor, daily reader. I realize this site is getting more then enough contributors but I hope you guys will welcome one more to the regime.

    A lot of talk about free agent D-men so far, guys like Sekera, Franson, Petry etc.. Let’s pretend the old boys are still in charge and that Connor Mcdavid guy is still a pipe dream, so no free agent will even consider coming here. What are the legitimate viable options we are looking at via trade. I’ve never understood the OEL or Mcdonagh talk, people don’t actually think we could pry those guys away do they? Who are the best possible D-men from cap strapped teams that would could actually trade for? Klein? Oduya?

    Getting Sobotka or Soderberg would obviously be incredible, but with some plug and play guys up front our current offense is very OK and that’s gotta to be chiapete’s last concern ATM. I just want this blogs opinion about the little situation we got going on on the back end, there’s alot of hope for a top pair d-men but i just don’t see a guy like OEL ever being available to us unless it was Hall +. What are the legit options…

  49. blainer says:

    Gordie Wayne:
    Hi Lowetide,

    Longtime reader, first time poster here!Love your blog, the amount of effort and quality that you put into it is outstanding!

    Just wanted to add a couple of items to Chia’s list (see my changes in bold below):

    Chiarelli’s list of things to do might look like this:
    Identify and hire the coach/assistants

    Draft Connor McDavid

    Draft substantial talents after him for the ‘McDavid cluster’

    Acquire a top pairing defender

    Acquire another top pairing defender

    Acquire a replacement for Jeff Petry

    Acquire a proven starting goaltender

    Get rid of Scrivens (either via trade or buyout) and replace with a backup that has future starter potiential (i.e. Ramo, Neuvirth, Lehner, etc)

    Acquire a ‘Pisani’, and that player could be a center like Carl Soderberg

    First.. Welcome… On srivens you are one of the first or certainly the few that have brought this up. I agree… I would like a full Re Boot of the entire goalie position. Trade scrivens if possible or bring in the three headed monster to make all the goalies earn their spot.. Unless of course they trade for Schnider type..

  50. RPG says:

    TheGreatMutato,

    Chris WescottVerified account
    ‏@TheChrisWescott
    Along with Nurse, Kyle Platzer & Greg Chase draw in. Nurse will be paired with Simpson. #Oilers #OKCBarons

  51. knighttown says:

    Man, those EV pts/60 numbers posted above are huge. That group of forwards making under a million averaged well over 2 pts/60.

    Those are almost star levels nowadays.

  52. stush18 says:

    Hall Awaits:
    With the Oilers most likely walking away from Bunz and Tuohimaa, I wonder if we see another minor league goalie get signed this summer? Matty mentioned undrafted Taran Kozun ( the other day on Twitter. Wonder if there’s anything to it? I see most goalies, beyond Brossoit, in the organization being flipped this summer.

    NHL
    Talbot / Scrivens

    AHL
    Brossoit / Laurikainen

    ECHL
    Rimmer / Kozun

    People will argue Talbot, but I think this guy’s going to take off given the chance.

    I think kozun would be a good sign, although im sure others are looking at him. Im not too sure we should spend more than 5 spots from the 50-man list on goaltending.

    I have a few problem with players like talbot, jones, grubaer, etc.

    1) position- most of these goalies are backups behind very good goalies with very good defenses in front of them
    2) age- talbot is 27. While we have all heard the legends, banking on a starter from a goalie who hasnt really proven it is risky(scrivs and fasth)
    3) cost- teams are apparently asking for our 16 in the draft in exchange for these goalies. Seems like a high price to me.
    4) availability- lundquist and quick are there to stay, so naturally jones and talbot will want to walk. However, unless its an overpayment, i dont see these players getting moved, because they have no capable backups to replace them.

    The reason i always stumped for nuevirth is because he is the same age as these others, but has played as a starter before. All he costs is money to obtain, and is likely cheaper than niemi.

    Plus Fjohnk had some excellent work that supported nuevirth. If he is still around, it would be nice if he could find the time to compare these potential starters(talbot,nuevirth,jones,lehner,markstrom,hammond)

  53. Visually better says:

    Also, Josh Winquist happens to be a very good friend of mine, really cool to see all the love he’s getting from you LT. Hell of a hockey player hope the oilers give him a shot.

  54. Hammers says:

    We have to think or at least hope this new group are planning on making a playoff push this coming season .if they do nothing but add a legitimate goalie and 2 defencemen we are moving forward . Trouble is we have been saying that the last 5 years . The proof will be in the decisions to be made . I know LT wants another forward but with Hall, Eberle and Hopkins another year older plus what was added and we already have I could live with our forwards . If nothing substantial is done with the 3 positions lacking I hope the new coach has a magic wand . As it is I still see Klef , Nurse and Leon making this team . I am the eternal optimist when it comes to the Oilers . Homeward bound in time for what should be decent hockey . Are there any other hidden surprises to come ?

  55. blainer says:

    RPG:
    TheGreatMutato,

    Chris WescottVerified account
    ‏@TheChrisWescott
    Along with Nurse, Kyle Platzer & Greg Chase draw in. Nurse will be paired with Simpson. #Oilers #OKCBarons

    This should have been done last game.. better late than never..

  56. godot10 says:

    Trolls are powerless unless you feed them.

    If anything should be disallowed, it is people being allowed to respond more than once to DSF in a thread. But that should just be self-restraint.

  57. knighttown says:

    Eh…maybe it’s because I’m a long way from Edmonton and get exposed to so much other NHL but on the DSF debate, the problem we all have is that he’s in the right in 85% of these arguments. He’s wrong for having them but tends to be right on the topic. From the outside looking in it seems the debates are really quite one-sided and when someone is getting beat-up (literally or figuratively) they tend to lash out. Last night someone responded to almost every DSF post by saying DSF was an idiot (paraphrasing) for predicting McDavid was going to Toronto. DSF just ignored it. That’s not “moving the goalposts” it’s ignoring a stupid argument. There’s quite a difference between prognosticating success or failure in the NHL compared to having a fun guess (Lt–>New Jersey because of Lou) at who would win a rigged lottery.

    He knows his NHL better than 90% of people on here and causes problems because some of you bleed copper and blue and since the Oilers have been terrible it’s an easy win.

    Monahan, Gaudreau, Hudler, Sedins. The “easy evidence” shows that they are “better” than whichever Oiler you want to throw against him. Now of course, there are other factors like age, team etc but you’ve got to know that if you’re going to try and prove something to a dissenter you’d better come up with something stronger than “if Yak spoke English better he’d outscore Gaudreau”.

    I like Woodguys approach. He waits for DSF to make a bold statement and calls for him to back it up financially. Brown vs Hemsky. He will do this quite often and then the argument goes away and you just check in from time to time. But again, be careful because the Oilers often break your heart even when logic says they shouldn’t. Even our best and brightest, D’arcy, might not be .500 against him because he’s on the side of Oiler.

    Saying all of that, someone coming into an Oilers blog and targeting fans wearing typical “homer” glasses for circular debates about topics they don’t know much about is insanely dickish. We try to rise above the hfBoards levels but at heart, we’re Oiler fans wanting, wishing and hoping that one day our best case scenario will actually turn out to have been pessimistic.

  58. Ducey says:

    RexLibris: Exactly.

    I went on about this when I did a draft review at Nations.

    Reviewing what teams did when they had multiple picks in a round and it seemed like their percentages actually dropped in those rounds vs times where they had a single selection.

    It’s like they use the second or sometimes even third pick in a round to spend like a drunken sailer and start making bad calls rather than taking a more cautious approach.

    Imagine that #15 is your first pick and use it accordingly is EXACTLY what the Oilers need to do.

    Hopefully we get a repeat of the 2011 1st round. Nuge & Klefbom.

  59. AZOIL says:

    MadocNicely:
    If he upsets you so much just don’t pay attention. I’m just a lurker, but feel like I need to say I am smart enough to not read DSF posts most of the time and if I do, not to get upset or respond (not that I ever respond) because there’s no point.

    Hard to ignore when every other comment is from DSF. It’s getting very old and made me go away last night as well.

  60. Gordie Wayne says:

    blainer,

    Yes, the goalie re-boot would be awesome!

    There are just too many options out there that I would consider a drastically better bet than Scrivens in a backup role (Ramo, Neuvirth, Lindback, Enroth) and they can all be had in UFA.

    Also, can you imagine in 3 years, if both Ramo and Broissoit turn into legit #1 starting goaltenders, we could rub that in Calgary’s face for years.

    I know I may be asking for too much…but c’mon…McDavid!!!!

  61. blainer says:

    Hammers:
    We have to think or at least hope this new group are planning on making a playoff push this coming season .if they do nothing but add a legitimate goalie and 2 defencemen we are moving forward . Trouble is we have been saying that the last 5 years . The proof will be in the decisions to be made . I know LT wants another forward but with Hall, Eberle and Hopkins another year older plus what was added and we already have I could live with our forwards . If nothing substantial is done with the 3 positions lacking I hope the new coach has a magic wand . As it is I still see Klef , Nurse and Leon making this team . I am the eternal optimist when it comes to the Oilers . Homeward bound in time for what should be decent hockey. Are there any other hidden surprises to come ?

    Everybody seems to forget that we ARE adding a new Elite forward in CMD.. I agree with you we don’t need to spend any more up front with the CMD add. Also agree our forward solution will come from within and that Drai does make the team on the wing. Lander in now Bona fide.. I am however not so sure about Nurse. These next few AHL games will be a tell if he is ready IMO..

  62. AZOIL says:

    godot10:
    Trolls are powerless unless you feed them.

    If anything should be disallowed, it is people being allowed to respond more than once to DSF in a thread. But that should just be self-restraint.

    This is the answer, it’s good to have someone play a little bit of Devils advocate even if he is out to lunch half the time. Just don’t reply to him and feed the beast and we we will all be A-OK!

    On another note, if NJ is rebuilding would they trade Schneider now? How old is he? What would it take to get Schneider? Pitt pick plus what?

  63. LoDog says:

    So who is out now the Nurse is in? Musil?

    If it is Marincin this will be a crabby place today. 🙂

  64. Eh Team says:

    Hall Awaits: NHL
    Talbot / Scrivens
    AHL
    Brossoit / Laurikainen
    ECHL
    Rimmer / Kozun

    I can’t see how you can gift Scrivens a roster spot after his play last year. It’s fine having him as an option but you need to get a clearly better goalie (Talbot or someone else) and another guy with a 50% shot at the back-up job. If Scrivens starts as poorly as he played all of last year, he needs to go to the AHL to turn his game around before you give him any NHL starts.

  65. Pouzar says:

    Karri Ramo was asked simply if he’d play in Edmonton next year.

    “Why would I say no?” smiled the 28-year-old Calgary Flames goalie who will be a restricted free agent July 1.

    “Obviously they had struggles but I’m sure they’re going to go in the right direction at some point. They’ve had some bad years but it’s not a bad place. There are no bad places in the NHL.”

  66. vinotintazo says:

    Pouzar:
    Karri Ramo was asked simply if he’d play in Edmonton next year.

    “Why would I say no?” smiled the 28-year-old Calgary Flames goalie who will be a restricted free agent July 1.

    “Obviously they had struggles but I’m sure they’re going to go in the right direction at some point. They’ve had some bad years but it’s not a bad place. There are no bad places in the NHL.”

    I like him already!

  67. hags9k says:

    I don’t engage DSF because he is a troll and it’s destined to be fruitless. (not unlike all my posts really) But he is my favourite troll. I often find myself shaking my head and laughing at what comes after he shakes up the hornet’s nest. I think sometimes we all take this stuff a touch too serious. It’s like when CFP or Heatley touches the puck and we boo. We love to hate.

    I’d miss him.

    GOILERS!!

  68. malinpaul says:

    yak is the big question mark for me. he looked great at times near the end of the year. I think he could crack 50pts this year… but where does he play? third line with a veteran free agent signing NHL C?

    could he reasonably graduate to the top 6 this year behind Ebs 2nd line RW?

  69. Ducey says:

    stush18: I think kozun would be a good sign, although im sure others are looking at him. Im not too sure we should spend more than 5 spots from the 50-man list on goaltending.

    I have a few problem with players like talbot, jones, grubaer, etc.

    1) position- most of these goalies are backups behind very good goalies with very good defenses in front of them
    2) age- talbot is 27. While we have all heard the legends, banking on a starter from a goalie who hasnt really proven it is risky(scrivs and fasth)
    3) cost- teams are apparently asking for our 16 in the draft in exchange for these goalies. Seems like a high price to me.
    4) availability- lundquist and quick are there to stay, so naturally jones and talbot will want to walk. However, unless its an overpayment, i dont see these players getting moved, because they have no capable backups to replace them.

    The reason i always stumped for nuevirth is because he is the same age as these others, but has played as a starter before. All he costs is money to obtain, and is likely cheaper than niemi.

    Plus Fjohnk had some excellent work that supported nuevirth. If he is still around, it would be nice if he could find the time to compare these potential starters(talbot,nuevirth,jones,lehner,markstrom,hammond)

    I am confused about all the love for Talbot too.

    He turns 28 in July. He has 57 NHL games. He might cost the PIT pick. And he is an UFA after this next season. He has played behind a strong team, and looked good doing it. He sounds like another Scrivens, except Scrivens had more NHL experience.

    There is definitely a fair degree of risk that Talbot will not step forward as a #1. Its not likely worth the cost of acquisition and retention.

    I’d rather they grab a couple of guys from the UFA pool. No cost, other than a 50 man spot and some cap room.

    We should not forget Scrivens either. The only year, ever, that he had a sub .900 save % was last year. There is a decent chance he will bounce back to being a league average goalie, especially with a new head coach and hopefully some sort of upgrade on the defence.

    Don’t forget Dubnyk. If a guy has a history of being a good goalie, he has a good chance of being one again.

  70. stush18 says:

    Our focus should be on defense and goaltending only this summer. Every year you get value players after the big free agent rush.

    My friend mentioned a trade rumour in which it was yakupov + for lehner and weircoch.

    Obviously just a rumour, but ottawa seems to have its blinders on with weircoch, and lehner seems like the obvious move out?

    Would anyone do it?

    Edit* i think the plus is something like a 2nd or chase. Not drai or nurse + obviously.

  71. leadfarmer says:

    knighttown,

    The thing is he doesn’t know the NHL better than most posters on here. He uses the power of hindsight to make it seem like he does. He doesn’t look at players and predict which guys are going to be good other than the obvious. He doesn’t predict things like hey Jiri Hudler you know he is a career 50 point player but at age 31 he will become, all of a sudden, a ppg player. No, he just rubs it in your face when he does like he predicted it, but he didn’t have any idea it was going to happen. With the shear quantity of his posts he is right once in a while. But when he is wrong about something or things aren’t going his way that fact vanishes and he moves onto the next goalpost. For example, how often has he said how much farther ahead Seguin is than Hall. Now did you notice that he hasn’t said that recently. It may be because Seguin isn’t playing with Benn in the IIHF championships, and Hall and Eberle each have quite a few more points than him. You think if the tables were reverse he would be quiet, I think not. Don’t let verbal diarrhea fool you for intelligence.

  72. Coffeys_Messy_eh says:

    Obsessive reader/infrequent poster here, weighing in on the mess of yesterday’s thread. Of course Senior Fox is baiting the regulars here into a frothy rage, and of course they are obliging. It is difficult to restrain oneself in the face of such effrontery.

    However, the end result of that, as was obvious last night, is an unreadable thread. He is good at what he does, and he is smart about both NHL hockey and his baiting/trolling. He obviously likes to be here, but the thread last night seemed to me to be more derailed by the responses to his posts. Some of them seemed overly nasty and his posting/replies seemed to get nastier in response.

    Of course diehard, knowledgeable fans are apt to overvalue the players on their chosen team. Of course they are going to defend said chosen team’s players when they are impugned by an admitted non-fan. The difference between Herr Fox’s recent posting habits and last night’s impressive thread jackery seemed to me to be in the tone of the responses. My opinion only, of course.

  73. blainer says:

    Eh Team: I can’t see how you can gift Scrivens a roster spot after his play last year.It’s fine having him as an option but you need to get a clearly better goalie (Talbot or someone else) and another guy with a 50% shot at the back-up job.If Scrivens starts as poorly as he played all of last year, he needs to go to the AHL to turn his game around before you give him any NHL starts.

    Exactly.. This is why we need to be really deep at the position.. We either need to trade him or be prepared if he brings the same quality of goaltending next year.. I don’t waste anymore than THREE games on him.. after that he is on waivers.. We have to be deep with the goaltending in Bakerfield.. ME.. I eliminate that risk now and bring in Anderson and Talbot or similar.. If scrivens turns into Dubnyk somewhere else so be it … it wasn’t gonna happen here ..Clean slate …start fresh

  74. leadfarmer says:

    Ducey,

    Yeah I made a post a couple days ago about how this is a goalie buyer market, due to how many goalies will be looking for work and only a few starting job positions are available and the starting jobs are in rebuilding teams that aren’t going to spend assets on trading for goalies that may walk in a year. The only backups that are worth the 16th pick are Vasilevski and Mrazek. The other guys including Talbot are not worth it. Talbot can walk in a year and spending a good draft pick on him when you can get guys like Neuvirth for just cash is poor asset management. There is going to be a very good player available at number 16.

  75. hags9k says:

    Lowetide: No. I’m not in love with the idea of trading Draisaitl. Big C’s are hard to find.

    Since the lottery, I have been thinking Leon is the guy you have to look at moving. I think I’m wrong. He’s too big, too good. Now I am thinking it would be insane to trade ANY OF THESE FORWARDS until we see how they look beside 97. What if Leon on the wing has better chemistry with 97 than anyone?! Could happen. Draft smart, attack the UFA D like a starving Tiger and keep your powder dry with these forwards until fall and camp starts to show the future.

    Have to wait to see what rhymes!!

  76. blainer says:

    Enough about last nights thread.. that’s gettin old.. What about the changes in OKC for tonights game.. and I am predicting FOUR goals and two apples for CMD…

  77. ChiliChunk says:

    Pouzar:
    Karri Ramo was asked simply if he’d play in Edmonton next year.

    “Why would I say no?” smiled the 28-year-old Calgary Flames goalie who will be a restricted free agent July 1.

    “Obviously they had struggles but I’m sure they’re going to go in the right direction at some point. They’ve had some bad years but it’s not a bad place. There are no bad places in the NHL.”

    I’ve seen a few mentions like this of Ramo being an RFA but nhlnumbers and generalfanager both show him as UFA this summer. Anyone with more certainty on this?

  78. hags9k says:

    Wouldn’t it be great if the Oilers finally won the Calder?

    Wouldn’t it be even greater if it was Nurse?

    GO BARONS!

  79. blainer says:

    leadfarmer:
    Ducey,

    Yeah I made a post a couple days ago about how this is a goalie buyer market, due to how many goalies will be looking for work and only a few starting job positions are available and the starting jobs are in rebuilding teams that aren’t going to spend assets on trading for goalies that may walk in a year.The only backups that are worth the 16th pick are Vasilevski and Mrazek.The other guys including Talbot are not worth it.Talbot can walk in a year and spending a good draft pick on him when you can get guys like Neuvirth for just cash is poor asset management.There is going to be a very good player available at number 16.

    Please take BPA at 16.. position does not matter.. this player will not be playing for a few years anyway. BPA …please

  80. su_dhillon says:

    I have been wondering this for last little while, If the Oilers walk away from Schultz and don’t qualify him, what are the chances they sign a worse defense man for in the same price range 4.0-4.5?

    I know the UFA group isn’t terribly deep but I definitely see guys I think you could get in that range or the Fayne range who I would much rather have. The risk would be that you strike out on all those guys but I don’t know, if I was Chia I would definitely think long and hard about walking away.

  81. leadfarmer says:

    One last thing about the dangerous slippery fart. Notice that he doesn’t post his draft list, because then you could call him out on it. But he will be the first to tell you when you made a mistake. The smartest troll in the room, correctly identified half of the first round winners, and only one conference finalist. But with the power of hindsight we all could make the right decisions.

    DASHINGSILVERFOX says:
    April 15, 2015 at 4:35 pm
    WC
    VAN
    WPG
    MIN
    CHI
    VAN
    MIN
    MIN
    EC
    NYR
    OTT
    TBL
    NYI
    OTT
    TBL
    TBL
    MIN wins the Cup
    Dubnyk wins the Conn Smyth.
    MacT’s head explodes.

    Notice the lack of Calgary Flames. He didn’t even believe in them even though he defended their very poor advanced stats record.

  82. thejonrmcleod says:

    LoDog:
    So who is out now the Nurse is in? Musil?

    If it is Marincin this will be a crabby place today.

    I asked Neal Livingston on his blog who would be coming out. These were his ideas:

    “I think Nurse pairs with Simpson, Musil out. I like Chase to replace CJ Stretch down the center of the second line. Platzer likely for Winchester or Moroz on the fourth line.”

  83. Rondo says:

    Better for the Oilers in the draft if NYR lose tonight.

  84. leadfarmer says:

    Rondo,

    If you missed the last game, that was one of the best playoff games i have seen in a long time. Very entertaining hockey. Nothing like the neutral zone trapping we had to endure in the TBL Montreal game yesterday.

  85. kinger_OIL says:

    Pouzar,

    Sticks and stones… chill: he’s posting stuff, on a blog. He’s not swearing, he’s not insulting anyone, or being inappropriate. He’s just not consensus, and like an entertaining dinner guest, he gets the conversation going, without being out of bounds, but sometimes outlandish. You take the good with the bad. On a separate note: he has a blog? Back to hockey: I’m really curious to see who is captain next year. This isn’t “Hall’s team” anymore with MCD. Conner can’t be captain yet. It better not be some guy they trade for (see Ferrence).

  86. thejonrmcleod says:

    So after tonight’s game will we know the order of each of the Oilers’ draft picks?

  87. vinotintazo says:

    Rondo:
    Better for the Oilers in the draftif NYR lose tonight.

    why is that?

  88. leadfarmer says:

    blainer,

    With guys like Crouse and Zacha likely to be taken sooner rather than later there is going to be a good good player still left. That player playing on an ELC starting in 2 years is going to be a much needed value contract.

  89. Rondo says:

    vinotintazo,

    Conference finalists pick 30th 29th 28th and 27th.

    NYR loss would push MTL STL and OTT down 1.

  90. leadfarmer says:

    vinotintazo,

    If Washington moves on the Montreal 2nd rounded is one spot better. Mtl was above Washington in regular season standings but below NYR

    Or as Rondo said above

  91. Ducey says:

    su_dhillon:
    I have been wondering this for last little while, If the Oilers walk away from Schultz and don’t qualify him, what are the chances they sign a worse defense man for in the same price range 4.0-4.5?

    I know the UFA group isn’t terribly deep but I definitely see guys I think you could get in that range or the Fayne range who I would much rather have. The risk would be that you strike out on all those guys but I don’t know, if I was Chia I would definitely think long and hard about walking away.

    I don’t think Chia will spend more than a few minutes thinking about it. He won’t be moving Schultz.

    You have a defenseman who is just turning 25 (prime is ~27), has just 200 NHL games, was 48th in Dman points (tied with the great Brent Seabook), is a terrific skater and has great offensive skill. He put up good possession numbers with easy zone starts and competition. He destroyed the AHL and has had 3 head coaches in 3 years. He has had no continuity at all.

    He is not physical enough, needs to make better reads, improve his shot, get stronger and generally become a better defender.

    Why would you trade a guy who has the stuff you cannot teach, but is deficient in the areas you can?

    I think Schultz will benefit from a McLellan or Babcock greatly. I noticed that in the last few games he started to use his body (after he spoke with MacT, was it?) and I think he will turn out fine.

    McLellan had Burns and Boyle. He will sort out Schultz.

    If you non tender Schultz, you are going to regret it.

  92. RexLibris says:

    While we’re on the topic of how to deal with trolls, Sweden has come up with a FAH-bulous way to deal with their territorial waters being trolled by Russian submarines.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/13/swedish-peace-group-trolls-russian-submarines-with-gay-defence-system

  93. Gally says:

    It’s all fine and dandy that Ramo would live to sign here. But in 11/33 games started last year, he had a sub 0.900sv%. No thanks. https://twitter.com/SteveBurtch/status/596903923463659520?s=09

  94. linkfromhyrule says:

    I think Ference needs to be stripped of the captaincy next year. I think now is the perfect time for one of Hall or RNH to take over as team captain. No more outsiders named as captain. Hall has been here 5 years now. Look at the following list of this past seasons team captains (date listed is when they took over as captain):

    Anaheim Ducks Ryan Getzlaf Spent entire NHL career with team 2010–11[10] C
    Arizona Coyotes Shane Doan Spent entire NHL career with team 2003–04 RW
    Boston Bruins Zdeno Chara 2006–07[11] D
    Buffalo Sabres Brian Gionta 2014–15[12] RW
    Calgary Flames Mark Giordano Spent entire NHL career with team 2013–14[13] D
    Carolina Hurricanes Eric Staal Spent entire NHL career with team 2009–10[14] C
    Chicago Blackhawks Jonathan Toews Spent entire NHL career with team 2008–09[15] C
    Colorado Avalanche Gabriel Landeskog Spent entire NHL career with team 2012–13[16] LW
    Columbus Blue Jackets —[b] — —
    Dallas Stars Jamie Benn Spent entire NHL career with team 2013–14[17] LW
    Detroit Red Wings Henrik Zetterberg Spent entire NHL career with team 2012–13[18] LW
    Edmonton Oilers Andrew Ference 2013–14[19] D
    Florida Panthers Willie Mitchell 2014–15[20] D
    Los Angeles Kings Dustin Brown Spent entire NHL career with team 2008–09[21] RW
    Minnesota Wild Mikko Koivu Spent entire NHL career with team 2009–10[22] C
    Montreal Canadiens NONE
    Nashville Predators Shea Weber Spent entire NHL career with team 2010–11[23] D
    New Jersey Devils Bryce Salvador[a] 2012–13[24] D
    New York Islanders John Tavares Spent entire NHL career with team 2013–14[25] C
    New York Rangers Ryan McDonagh Spent entire NHL career with team 2014–15[26] D
    Ottawa Senators Erik Karlsson Spent entire NHL career with team 2014–15[27] D
    Philadelphia Flyers Claude Giroux Spent entire NHL career with team 2012–13[28] C
    Pittsburgh Penguins Sidney Crosby Spent entire NHL career with team 2007–08[29] C
    St. Louis Blues David Backes Spent entire NHL career with team 2011–12[30] C
    San Jose Sharks NONE
    Tampa Bay Lightning Steven Stamkos Spent entire NHL career with team 2013–14[31] C
    Toronto Maple Leafs Dion Phaneuf 2010–11[32] D
    Vancouver Canucks Henrik Sedin Spent entire NHL career with team 2010–11[33] C
    Washington Capitals Alexander Ovechkin Spent entire NHL career with team 2009–10[34] LW
    Winnipeg Jets Andrew Ladd 2010–11[35] LW

    20 of the 27 full-time captains in the NHL have spent their entire NHL career with one team. It means something. As far as I’m concerned, naming a new player captain of the team was a major mistake. How can an outside player have any credible leadership to a group of guys he has never met before. From here, it seems that TCAF was to be the Mouth of Sauron, and only because he fit the ideology of the regime.

  95. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    The Oilers greatest need is goalie and then RHD. We know there is no goalie worth using a first round pick this year.

    We know that after the top 5 this year you could draft for need and still be taking a player that is arguably BPA down to the 20’s somewhere.

    With the 2nd and 3rd picks I’d go after RHD. The Oilers system is full of LD and centres (wingers), they need to get the weaker areas stocked up and have already got a goalie.

  96. Acumen says:

    For purely selfish reasons I would be very cool with Talbot coming to the Oilers… He is a good friend of my cousin and it might mean some meet and greets whenever they come to Calgary.

    As long as it doesn’t cost something stupid like Yak or the 16 I say fire away. But I would prefer Raanta, Neuvirth or Ramo, in that order.

  97. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    hags9k:
    Wouldn’t it be great if the Oilers finally won the Calder?

    Wouldn’t it be even greater if it was Nurse?

    GO BARONS!

    Only if he doesn’t play in the NHL next year. If he did it would mean bad things about CMD.

  98. Acumen says:

    linkfromhyrule,

    I like Nuge for the Captaincy, for a variety of reasons. I still think the kids need at least one year without that pressure though. And there is the chance that McDavid takes it and runs in year 2 or 3.

    Don’t think Hall should be captain. He’s said himself he doesn’t like to be the guy rallying the troops with anything other than his play on the ice.

    Having said all that, I don’t want the C on Ference. He shouldn’t even be playing in a top 6 role this year. Absolute disaster from the start, that signing.

  99. G Money says:

    While, I’ve got a minute at lunch, wanted to address a key point from yesterday and today’s massive threadocalypse.

    I mentioned that I find myself posting less during the threadjacks. It’s not a petulant statement or a warning or anything silly like that. Just fact. Reality is that I’m a busy guy (executive by day, husband and father to three at night) and my time is precious.

    I’m also an enormous Oiler fan, holding on to the hope of a return to glory while sitting here in enemy territory for the last 24 years. It is that situation that makes me seek out those who have seen the light, in lieu of the mindless flaming horde by which I’m surrounded!

    In a normal thread, every 10 posts consist of say 5 posts of (mostly enjoyable) unrelated banter and bickering, 2 or 3 thread- or hockey-relevant posts, and a couple of pithy posts worthy of further exploration and analysis. Lot of smart people here.

    In a threadjack situation, that 10 posts jumps to 50 (easily), and the additional 40 could be deleted with absolutely no change to the information content of the thread. The problem for me is, I now have to wade through 50 posts to get to the handful of really interesting (to me) posts, instead of 10.

    That gets tiring and time consuming and after a while I find myself just skipping the thread and hoping the next one doesn’t get jacked. Takes all the enjoyment out of it, doesn’t it? Why do this if it’s not enjoyable?

    I am not in favour of banning anyone, never have been, but if your reaction to the situation is the same as mine, perhaps we can make a tacit agreement to stick to a strict protocol of either not responding at all (I succeed in this 90% of the time but still get sucked in on occasion), or only ever responding with “Please don’t feed the troll” and Pouzar’s classic “Who the fuck cares?”.

    Suspect this might clean up the recent infestation relatively quickly, and make this an enjoyable respite again.

  100. RexLibris says:

    Re: Captaincy

    Prior to the McDavid lottery, Nugent-Hopkins was my pick for captain based on his steady play, commitment and skill.

    Watching McDavid play in Erie and his interviews though, wow. His maturity reminds me of what was said of Landeskog in his draft year.

    So, with that in mind I would put Hall, Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins as alternate captains this season and then re-assess next summer. McDavid may emerge that quickly, or he may need more time.

  101. Genjutsu says:

    Woogie63:
    Draft question….

    Driasaitl to Arizona for the third overall this year and then select Hanafin.

    Gives Arizona a centre to build from vs. a dman which they already have, and they get an older player with a longer track record to help re-start their program.

    Oilers get a RHD which fits their needs better than a 3rd line centre….and they pick up one additional year on an ELC

    I like Noah a ton however he is not a RHS nor did he pay the left side at the world juniors. I haven’t seen him play in college but but have read nothing that said he plays his off side.

    Still think he would immediately slot in as 1LD on this team as is.

    He’s a wonderful player.

  102. Pouzar says:

    G Money,

    As usual you put it perfectly.
    It’s just not enjoyable for me anymore and my choice to leave has nothing more to do with it than that. Like I said, this has nothing to do with his content as I skip over all of it but the thread jacks are too much.

  103. Bag of Pucks says:

    Late to the party, as usual.

    I like the potential of Miller. There may be a player there. He’s certainly got the wheels and some decent hands.

    It’s funny that we’re mentioning players like Torres and Pisani today. That is exactly the type of player that Miller might be able to reinvent himself as (if so willing) should the phenoms block his Top 6 aspirations. Small sample size but he does appear to have some good puck sense that could put him on the right side of the puck more often that not if applied consistently.

    On the ongoing troll discussion, I find this very interesting because we do have a lot of smart people on here and yet we’re struggling with one of life’s most basic irritants (i.e. how do we deal with the a**holes that cross our path?).

    Obviously, ignoring them is the path to true enlightenment but as GMoney and others eloquently point out, there is the issue of bandwidth and the very real concern that ‘one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch.’

    There’s also this weird dichotomy of antagonism and masochism in trollish behaviour, so you can’t really police them as a community by simpling piling on. They thrive on that.

    In all honesty, I wish we could deal with this on the ice. I would love nothing more than to drill DSF through the boards on occasion.

    But at the end of the day, it’s the internet and that’s the silver lining imo. DSF isn’t an a**hole boss we have to deal with or a road rage case or a schoolyard bully. He’s just an ‘Canuck fan’ which is synonymous with a**hole btw, with an axe to grind and too much time on his hands.

    He’s the veritable equivalent of one hand clapping. Treat him accordingly. Or for more productive pursuits, copy n paste all his posts as future footnotes in your thesis on mental illness.

  104. fuzzy muppet says:

    Hypothetically:

    If TB wins the cup with Bishop. Does Vasilevski become available?

    Does pick 16 get it done? Would you do it? He’s unproven but the pedigree is there.

  105. Gay Leno says:

    G Money,

    I’m glad to see you agree with me. The problem is not so much with DSF as it is with our responses. If everyone can agree to not sink below his leve from here on outl, we will all be fine.

  106. russ99 says:

    Gay Leno,

    There’s a fine line between playing devil’s advocate by stating a counterpoint that you think is true to spur further discussion and trolling.

    If we all agreed on everything, this blog would be less interesting.

  107. blainer says:

    leadfarmer:
    blainer,

    With guys like Crouse and Zacha likely to be taken sooner rather than later there is going to be a good good player still left.That player playing on an ELC starting in 2 years is going to be a much needed value contract.

    absolutely.. take bpa…might be ready like you said in a couple of years,,

  108. danny says:

    Hello Everyone.

    I’ve been mostly invisible as big career changes has me working a lot of weeknights and weekends… (and working on Lowetides new website launch coming soon)

    But I’ve been lurking on a daily basis. Reasons?

    – I’m a big fan of Allan’s wise prose and sincerity. It feels like my Oilers woes are being narrated by Red. It’s a treat.

    – There are really intelligent discussions from really intelligent people that sincerely want to move the conversation forward, and this is equally as important as the above.

    My thoughts on the latest DSF happenings?

    – DSF is a smart guy that enjoys playing devils advocate to willing participants.
    – He is not genuinely interested or engaged in the points he makes, he just knows and enjoys the fact that it is contrary to the beliefs of the audience he is creating my saying these things.
    – He enjoys pissing matches, he enjoys pushing you harder to prove him wrong, and selectively jumps from non detailed arguments to stay as elusive as he can… which isnt tough as he mostly engages in disingenious stances that he knows will create a reaction.

    Good News a Solution is coming

    With the launch of Lowetides new website, I will be implementing a feature that enables you to hide/ignore all comments from a specific user. So anyone , like myself, that doesn’t appreciate the schtick that DSF or anyone else conducts themselves with around here, they can simply ignore their comments and keep the place a pleasant place to read / respond.

    ( note: the above solution hasn’t been approved by Allan yet, but I doubt he will object to people being able to make personal judgements and decisions of who get’s their time. )

  109. Ducey says:

    Oh and the obligatory DSF comment.

    He is a critic, pure and simple. He loves to pick an Oiler player and then compare him to some other player than was picked lower, or maybe was not drafted at all. He will jump around cherry picking players or GM’s from other teams. He never admits to cheering for a team, as that will open him to attack.

    The implication is always that the Oilers are idiots, or their players are crap, because they have not selected, developed or traded for some player that just happens to be playing better than the Oiler under discussion.

    Somewhat appropriately, he only seems to come out at night. Maybe his job doesn’t allow internet access. Maybe he spends all day working on his material.

    I don’t tend to read the evening threads these days because of DSF. Generally if there is an Oilers game thread, you will notice the next day there is a big fight with DSF and some poster well after the game that just goes off the rails.

    I am not really for banning. I was banned from OilersNation because I would disagree with Brownlee. He had me banned. I spoke with the guy running the place, who expressed some exasperation at Brownlee and let me post again. I made sure not to even read any of Brownlee’s posts and certainly not to criticize him. Brownlee noticed I posted on a different thread that had nothing to do with him, but banned me again anyway, confused as how I could be posting again. I have never gone to OilersNation again, and never will.

    Unfortunately, the “ignore DSF” often tends to result in me ignoring him by just ignoring the whole thread. However, he is only half the problem. He needs someone to fight with. Inevitably that person tries to “win” the argument. They should just say “you are right DSF” and take solace in the fact he has already lost – he is not a fan of any team.

  110. borisnikov says:

    Infrequent poster opinion…

    If a man is shouting obscenities in a room full of people and no one engages or replies the outcomes are many on account of his next action. But if a man is shouting obscenities in a virtual room and no one engages or replies, the outcomes do not exist. This is not real life. He is not physically present to escalate his actions or to suffer retribution on account of “wronged parties”. Everyone should just Ignore him.

    If he truly is the epitome of a troll, it will shine through and he will become even more intolerable. It is at that point that LT can ban him. But it all hinges on what each one of you does. Ignore him outright, on trolling comments, on legit comments. Ignore, ignore, ignore. He will either implode or improve to the point where he is tolerable.

    The two consistent items in these battles of (nit)wits are him and you. You can only control one of those.

  111. Rational Zealot says:

    Ducey,

    That’s hilarious. Brownlee banned me from oilersnation too. I bet he’s banned half of the regular posters here. Brownlee is a fool, and banning people is ridiculous.

  112. blainer says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Late to the party, as usual.

    I like the potential of Miller. There may be a player there. He’s certainly got the wheels and some decent hands.

    It’s funny that we’re mentioning players like Torres and Pisani today. That is exactly the type of player that Miller might be able to reinvent himself as (if so willing) should the phenoms block his Top 6 aspirations. Small sample size but he does appear to have some good puck sense that could put him on the right side of the puck more often that not if applied consistently.

    On the ongoing troll discussion, I find this very interesting because we do have a lot of smart people on here and yet we’re struggling with one of life’s most basic irritants (i.e. how do we deal with the a**holes that cross our path?).

    Obviously, ignoring them is the path to true enlightenment but as GMoney and others eloquently point out, there is the issue of bandwidth and the very real concern that ‘one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch.’

    There’s also this weird dichotomy of antagonism and masochism in trollish behaviour, so you can’t really police them as a community by simpling piling on. They thrive on that.

    In all honesty, I wish we could deal with this on the ice. I would love nothing more than to drill DSF through the boards on occasion.

    But at the end of the day, it’s the internet and that’s the silver lining imo. DSF isn’t an a**hole boss we have to deal with or a road rage case or a schoolyard bully. He’s just an ‘Canuck fan’ which is synonymous with a**hole btw, with an axe to grind and too much time on his hands.

    He’s the veritable equivalent of one hand clapping. Treat him accordingly. Or for more productive pursuits, copy n paste all his posts as future footnotes in your thesis on mental illness.

    LOL.. that last line was too good.. needed a good laugh today..

  113. Woodguy says:

    As per Chris Westcott:

    In tonight:
    Platzer
    Chase
    Nurse

    Out:
    Musil
    Moroz
    Stretch

    Nurse playing with Simpson

    Two of Tambo’s high 2nd rounders scratched.

    He was like bleach to this organization.

  114. G Money says:

    russ99: If we all agreed on everything, this blog would be less interesting.

    It would, but I take issue with the idea – previous assertions, actually – that this blog turns into some kind of an echo chamber or a groupthink session. (See: I might be disagreeing with you already!)

    Plenty of dissenting opinions here, always.

    The idea that this is a blog overrun with Oiler apologists is also false. Fans we may be, but the criticism of ownership, management, and quite a number of the players can and has been scathing. What’s nice about this blog is that the criticism tends to be of the “this player is terrible because [here’s my concrete evidence]” rather than “FUCK PETYR, HE TOO SOFT, NEAD MOAR HIT” variety.

    About the only two things that are pretty much universally accepted here I would say are:

    – That fancy stats add value to our understanding of the game. Seems to me this is part of the DNA of this blog, and if someone vehemently disagrees, perhaps ON or HF will be more to their liking anyway.

    – CONNOR MCDAVID! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!

  115. Gay Leno says:

    blainer,

    The last line is exactly what we don’t need, personal attacks have no place in an intelligent discussion about hockey. DSF doesn’t even stoop to that level, and its one of the main causes of derailment. Pay him no attention, respond to him in an intelligent manner, it doesn’t matter. Once he realizes inflammatory comments will not illicit the desired response, he will stop with them.

    Or go off the rails, at which point it would be appropriate to ban him indefinitely.

  116. G Money says:

    Gay Leno: I’m glad to see you agree with me.

    Indeed. Now … about that name …

  117. hunter1909 says:

    RexLibris:
    Re: Captaincy

    Prior to the McDavid lottery, Nugent-Hopkins was my pick for captain based on his steady play, commitment and skill.

    Watching McDavid play in Erie and his interviews though, wow. His maturity reminds me of what was said of Landeskog in his draft year.

    So, with that in mind I would put Hall, Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins as alternate captains this season and then re-assess next summer. McDavid may emerge that quickly, or he may need more time.

    McDavid’s going to be the captain. How do I know? Lowe has been removed from the hockey team, and MacT’s been demoted to the point where he no longer can hold press conferences.

    Chiarelli’s smart. Smart people know what they’re doing. Lowe never knew anything much, judging from his pathetic record. MacT the same, based entirely on his record which includes talking his fat mouth off before the fact every chance he got.

    Someone today( I think Lowetide) said Chiarelli’s got an urgent situation and he’s probably right, yet, we hear nothing. That nothing is in fact music to my ears.

  118. Bag of Pucks says:

    blainer: LOL.. that last line was too good.. needed a good laugh today..

    Pathology of the Internet Troll. In all seriousness, there’s definitely potential for a thesis there if it hasn’t been done already.

    If the holy trinity of psychological markers for a sociopath is fire starting, bed wetting and animal cruelty, what is the troll’s trinity? Virgin, lives in mom’s basement and cheers for the Nucks?

  119. Lowetide says:

    Danny: I approve!

  120. Gay Leno says:

    G Money,

    Lol real life nickname, actual name is Gaylen

  121. LadiesloveSmid says:

    http://www.whl.ca/video/58322

    highlights from game 3 in the WHL finals. Draisaitl playing PK gets a bit lucky stripping the puck from a guy and beams down ice to score a shorty. Later uses his big frame to win the puck in the corner and send it out front for an assist.

    I don’t know where this Draisaitl is a poor skater came from. Guess he’s got that “no intensity-awkward stride” thing where until he’s established himself as a star, he’s a prospect with a couple “huge holes”. I don’t know how you win the oilers fastest skater contest and come to be known as a poor skater

  122. LadiesloveSmid says:

    sorry for off topic(s) post

    how do you put up a display picture? I feel like an easily forgettable poster without a picture

  123. borisnikov says:

    Gay Leno:
    G Money,

    Lol real life nickname, actual name is Gaylen

    My middle name is Galen on account of my old man’s first name. We laugh heartily at all the variations his name takes in spoken word…

    (Pronounced)
    Gayleen
    Gayland
    Gahlen

  124. Adam Wu says:

    Ducey: I don’t think Chia will spend more than a few minutes thinking about it.He won’t be moving Schultz.

    You have a defenseman who is just turning 25 (prime is ~27), has just 200 NHL games, was 48th in Dman points (tied with the great Brent Seabook), is a terrific skater and has great offensive skill. He put up good possession numbers with easy zone starts and competition. He destroyed the AHL and has had 3 head coaches in 3 years.He has had no continuity at all.

    He is not physical enough, needs to make better reads, improve his shot, get stronger and generally become a better defender.

    Why would you trade a guy who has the stuff you cannot teach, but is deficient in the areas you can?

    I think Schultz will benefit from a McLellan or Babcock greatly.I noticed that in the last few games he started to use his body (after he spoke with MacT, was it?) and I think he will turn out fine.

    McLellan had Burns and Boyle.He will sort out Schultz.

    If you non tender Schultz, you are going to regret it.

    I agree. There are a lot of parallels between Shultz and Yak. They both bring incredible talents that cannot be taught. They both have grave deficiencies that CAN be taught. Both have had long stretches where they gave up more than they produced. Both were not developed properly at all to date. Both showed signs of turning it around last year (Yak more so but he got Roy, and Jultz has never had a veteran mentor who wasn’t a boat anchor) Both were singled out for unfair treatment by the old coaching staff (in a manner detrimental to their long term development), and both are at the absolute nadir of the market value at this time.

    The only differences is that one was singled out for unfair negative treatment, the other got unfair positive treatment (of the spoil-them-rotten variety) and one seems to be much loved on this blog, and the other not so much.

    Dumping Justin Shultz now is a decision that has great potential to really come back and bite you. If he goes to another team and gets the coaching and developmental support that he needs he could easily do an uber-Dubnyk on the Oil.

    I would definitely keep him for at least a few more years. If you’re worried that his salary could be a cap issue, well you can always dump him for nothing when it actually IS an imminent cap issue, and that is always preferable to dumping him for nothing now when it is just a potential cap issue.

  125. speeds says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Hypothetically:

    If TB wins the cup with Bishop.DoesVasilevski become available?

    Does pick 16 get it done? Would you do it?He’s unproven but the pedigree is there.

    You don’t think Yzerman would be more likely to move Bishop?

  126. leadfarmer says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    Yes I would definitely do it. 20 year old goalie that was already one of the best goalies in the AHL do not come available very often. He is going to keep getting better.

  127. kinger_OIL says:

    Ducey: I don’t think Chia will spend more than a few minutes thinking about it.He won’t be moving Schultz.

    You have a defenseman who is just turning 25 (prime is ~27), has just 200 NHL games, was 48th in Dman points (tied with the great Brent Seabook), is a terrific skater and has great offensive skill. He put up good possession numbers with easy zone starts and competition. He destroyed the AHL and has had 3 head coaches in 3 years.He has had no continuity at all.

    He is not physical enough, needs to make better reads, improve his shot, get stronger and generally become a better defender.

    Why would you trade a guy who has the stuff you cannot teach, but is deficient in the areas you can?

    I think Schultz will benefit from a McLellan or Babcock greatly.I noticed that in the last few games he started to use his body (after he spoke with MacT, was it?) and I think he will turn out fine.

    McLellan had Burns and Boyle.He will sort out Schultz.

    If you non tender Schultz, you are going to regret it.

    great observations Ducey. The only problem with Shultz is what he is being (and going to be paid), and that’s not his problem. Its actually the same with Nikitin and Ferrence: they are over paid, but at least with shultz there is some hope for all the reasons you state. Hopefully with the new regime they can work around it with Jultz, and have him grow, and figure out how to cut bait on the other two…

  128. remlap says:

    Re: DSF

    Took a quick browse of the thread last night. Yes, he’s DSF. But to my eye, the de-evolution of that thread could be equally blamed on others, in particular, some fellow named Gordie’s Elbow. If you disagree with DSF’s comment, fine. Reply to him. If he keeps moving the goalposts or changing the argument, ignore it.

    To actively engage and attack him is just asking for the thread to turn into a mess. Have some self control everyone.

  129. Gay Leno says:

    borisnikov,

    Its unbelievable really. To me, all you have to do is sound it out lol rather uncommon name though I guess, so it is at least partially understandable.

  130. Adam Wu says:

    Regarding trolls in general:

    Even in free open spaces there are rules that allow for the exclusion of disruptive elements, when necessary. And indeed vigilant policing is necessary to maintain the space as free and open. Letting trolls run amuck and drive away other posters is functionally no different from banning those posters who are driven away. The only difference is one gets to assuage one’s own conscience with a “we didn’t ban anyone”, but the impact on the blog itself, the discourse, and the community are the same.

    Advising people to “not feed the troll” is wise advice, akin to warning pedestrians about a seedy alleyway filled with muggers. REQUIRING people to ignore the troll, or setting a limit on how many times they can respond (how could that even be enforced?) is tantamount to fining mugging victims for choosing to walk down that seedy alleyway. It is classic victim-blaming. We are human beings posting here, not Vulcans, and human beings have emotional buttons that can get pressed, and it is simply not reasonable to demand of human beings to never allow those buttons to be pressed. That would essentially be asking the people here to stop being human.

    Complete perma-banning and total disregard of the issue do not, to me, seem to be the only options available to a blog owner for policing. If a thread is being derailed, it is within the blog owner’s power to issue a warning to the commentariat, and, if that warning is not heeded, to ban the offending parties from just that one thread, with all forgiven and forgotten when the next thread comes up. Only repeat offenders over multiple threads would get perma-banned. The integrity of the thread is thus preserved, and no one is irreversibly excluded from the ongoing discussion.

    I have been on other blogs where they had a policy that went as follows:

    1st warning – no consequences
    2nd warning – offending posts are deleted/not posted, the individuals are still free to continue to post, if they remain on-topic
    3rd warning – offending parties are banned from thread, free to return for next thread
    Multiple offences over multiple threads despite multiple warnings- perma-banned

    I’ve also seen cases where, if a thread goes completely out of control, the blog moderator closed the thread early, leaving no one able to post until the next thread came up.

  131. ashley says:

    I missed all the fun, it looks.

    I think the latter posts in yesterday’s thread are sensible. Banning is a junior high school solution to an adult “problem”, in my opinion. And I say “problem” because it’s a two way street. Is it a problem because of DSF, or is it our problem with perception? Are we being too sensitive?

    Now I am all for banning vulgarity, personal attacks, or other unseemly behaviour. But nobody does that around here.

    I am of the opposite opinion of several above. I would stop coming here if the community is going to pick and choose posters, presumably those who mostly agree with each other. That just leads to cliques and group think, something we are all guilty of from time to time. Conversations move forward and ideas evolve when we have genuine debates.

    Nothing should be sacred. And DSF leaves nothing untouched. He questions the “common wisdom” like Taylor Hall is the greatest Oiler, Corsi is the most valuable measure of a player etc. Some of it sounds crazy, because it probably is, but questioning leads to interesting debate, tests our conviction, and sometimes results in new ideas, all healthy things.

    Historically, it is those who question the common wisdom who are some of the greatest innovators. Unfortunately, they are often only lauded after their deaths.

    I am thankful for all the people who take time out of their lives to post interesting things here, including DSF. I don’t see anything bad about yesterday’s thread.

  132. fuzzy muppet says:

    speeds,

    If he wins a cup and signs at a discount, who knows??

    I’m just thinking out loud

  133. Generational Poster says:

    * Another first time poster here *

    A few thoughts related to the various discussion points:

    On value contracts:
    – Is it possible that dangling the carrot of playing with McDavid and Hall opens up some nice possibilities with FA RW’s that are looking to score big on their next contract? (less $ or more importantly less term)?

    – I like the idea of the Soderberg type, but respectfully, I’m not so sure he can be the ‘Pisiani’ at the $ he will likely get (notwithstanding my point above)…part of being the Pisiani is bang for the buck? I am hopeful with new mgmt / coaching we can scout & develop internal candidates.

    Draft:
    – BPA all day long, it’s an asset management business. Very much liked the “treat 16 like your only 1st rounder” suggestion. Kudos.
    – I’m not fixated on trading picks or not trading them…all options open, if the value is there with the present & future in mind, pull the trigger. If not, stockpile and make moves later when the value is. If this goes how we all hope it does we will need a pipeline of youth more than ever to offset some big contracts. I’m just glad we now have a qualified GM to make these decisions.

    D / Goalies:
    – Goes without saying we need big upgrades. Not sure we need to go “whale hunting” (yet) though. I like Scrivens as a backup, I think he is the kind of guy that can thrive if he is fresh and plays about 25 games. Similarly, I feel like we need 2 good puck mover D that can eat minutes & push everyone down the depth chart to the roles they belong in. I think you start with a list of X amount of targets and find value. An Islanders of 2014 summer redux kinda thing on the back-end.

    In general:
    – Chia trading Seguin for what was probably an underwhelming return to me is almost a good thing. He’s a smart guy, he won’t make the same mistake twice!
    – McDavid!!!

  134. Bag of Pucks says:

    One thing I’m really looking forward to seeing as it will be a huge tell on Chiarelli (especially within this community) is his decision in regards to Gazdic. I’m also looking forward to LT’s RE on this player as well.

    We’re told that Chia is a data driven sort and I’m sure many are hopeful that he’ll move on from the Gazdic’s of this world in his pursuit of ‘heavy on the puck’ but ideally with possession.

    I’m not so sure. There seems to be a growing murmur particularly amongst the media out east that this team doesn’t do enough to protect its young stars and McDavid will be the latest to feel that sting.

    Does Chiarelli buy into the enforcer? I suspect no in the longterm, but until he’s able to augment the lineup with enough functional toughness throughout, it wouldn’t surprise me if he keeps Gazdic for an alleged deterrence factor.

    Full disclosure: I grew up in the era of goon hockey and have zero problem with a fighter in the lineup. Hockey is entertainment and I’m entertained by a good tilt. Fully appreciate these lads don’t move the corsi needle, but given the mins they play I think their impact on the W/L is greatly overstated.

    If the Kings can win 2 Cups with Jordan Nolan in their lineup, then certainly these players aren’t a competitive deal breaker imo.

  135. LoDog says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    http://www.whl.ca/video/58322

    highlights from game 3 in the WHL finals. Draisaitl playing PK gets a bit lucky stripping the puck from a guy and beams down ice to score a shorty. Later uses his big frame to win the puck in the corner and send it out front for an assist.

    I don’t know where this Draisaitl is a poor skater came from. Guess he’s got that “no intensity-awkward stride” thing where until he’s established himself as a star, he’s a prospect with a couple “huge holes”. I don’t know how you win the oilers fastest skater contest and come to be known as a poor skater

    I have never read or heard anything about being a poor skater.

    The critique is that while he has excellent top end speed he does not have great “burst” speed or initial acceleration.

    Edit: While I have no troubles ignoring those I wish to ignore, the ability to weed those out automatically should help around here. Cheers Danny.

  136. ChiliChunk says:

    Gally:
    It’s all fine and dandy that Ramo would live to sign here. But in 11/33 games started last year, he had a sub 0.900sv%. No thanks. https://twitter.com/SteveBurtch/status/596903923463659520?s=09

    Well that sounds terrible. But I was curious so over lunch I made a quick list (could be errors) of sub 0.900 appearances and it seems middle of the pack actually. No idea if this metric has any value but Lundqvist showed the best and Scrivens showed the worst of the semi-random group I looked at so there’s that…

    23.9% Lundqvist
    27.1% Rask
    27.3% Price
    27.5% Schneider
    27.8% Talbot
    28.1% Crawford
    28.1% Rinne
    28.6% C. Anderson
    28.8% Holtby
    29.4% Bobrovsky
    31.1% Luongo
    31.5% F. Andersen
    33.3% Ramo
    33.3% M. Jones
    34.4% Neuvirth
    34.5% Dubnyk
    35.1% Varlamov
    35.8% Howard
    36.1% Quick
    36.2% Bernier
    36.5% Hiller
    37.3% Halak
    37.8% R. Miller
    38.0% Pavelec
    39.1% MAF
    40.3% Bishop
    41.0% Niemi
    43.1% Lehtonen
    43.1% C. Ward
    52.6% Scrivens

  137. vinotintazo says:

    Rondo:
    vinotintazo,

    Conference finalists pick 30th 29th 28th and 27th.

    NYR loss would push MTL STL and OTT down 1.

    leadfarmer:
    vinotintazo,

    If Washington moves on the Montreal 2nd rounded is one spot better.Mtl was above Washington in regular season standings but below NYR

    Or as Rondo said above

    oh thanks 🙂

  138. RexLibris says:

    If we’re allowed to screen out individuals we don’t like does that mean LT will block his RE alter ego?

  139. speeds says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    speeds,

    If he wins a cup and signs at a discount, who knows??

    I’m just thinking out loud

    Bishop is already signed for the next 2 years at just under 6M

  140. RexLibris says:

    Re: Karri Ramo

    Ryan Pike looks at Ramo’s sv% over the course of the year and concludes that Hiller is the better long-term bet for the Flames based on consistency.

    http://flamesnation.ca/2015/5/12/2014-15-by-the-numbers-1-jonas-hiller

  141. Pouzar says:

    Todd McLellan to become new Edmonton Oilers coach “barring a major collapse” in negotiations, says Sportsnet’s Friedman

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2015/05/13/todd-mclellan-to-become-new-edmonton-oilers-coach-barring-a-major-collapse-in-negotiations-says-sportsnets-friedman/

  142. ohhell says:

    Lowetide:
    Danny: I approve!

    This is a great day! Thanks Danny and LT!

  143. fuzzy muppet says:

    speeds,

    well then, nevermind.

    Is it draft time yet?

  144. AnOmYnOuS1 says:

    ChiliChunk: Well that sounds terrible. But I was curious so over lunch I made a quick list (could be errors) of sub 0.900 appearances and it seems middle of the pack actually. No idea if this metric has any value but Lundqvist showed the best and Scrivens showed the worst of the semi-random group I looked at so there’s that…

    23.9%Lundqvist
    27.1%Rask
    27.3%Price
    27.5%Schneider
    27.8%Talbot
    28.1%Crawford
    28.1%Rinne
    28.6%C. Anderson
    28.8%Holtby
    29.4%Bobrovsky
    31.1%Luongo
    31.5%F. Andersen
    33.3%Ramo
    33.3%M. Jones
    34.4%Neuvirth
    34.5%Dubnyk
    35.1%Varlamov
    35.8%Howard
    36.1%Quick
    36.2%Bernier
    36.5%Hiller
    37.3%Halak
    37.8%R. Miller
    38.0%Pavelec
    39.1%MAF
    40.3%Bishop
    41.0%Niemi
    43.1%Lehtonen
    43.1%C. Ward
    52.6%Scrivens

    Niemi’s consistent play isn’t looking so good in that light. 40%+ of his games under 0.900 will kill this team. Neuvirth or Anderson look pretty good, as does Talbot but his sample size and quality of D makes me wary. Guess Scrivens can only go up from there though right? He can’t be last 2 years running…

  145. Armchair GM says:

    It’s not the players drafted in 2015, 2016 and 2017 which will be the McDavid cluster. It’s the players drafted in the past few years who make up the bulk of that cohort. Other than McDavid himself, it is unlikely anyone drafted in the near future will make a meaningful contribution to the Oilers at an NHL level. They will be in some stage of development which can kindly be described as ‘on the horizon’. It’s the talent bubbling under at this moment (or just establishing themselves at the NHL) which will move forward with McDavid. It’s Nurse and the Saddle, Lander and Marincin. For proof, just look at Taylor Hall. Sublime talent but he couldn’t move the needle since the bulk of the new talent came after him. There was no base of existing good young talent on the team where he could come in and make a difference. Being at the front-end of a rebuild is no fun. Fortunately for McDavid, Eberle and Hall are now young, talented and EXPERIENCED players. He’s coming to the Oilers at just the right time for the team to head North.

    Secure in the knowledge that the Oilers will make a big improvement next year but not enough to make the playoffs, what happens to heads around the NHL when Edmonton takes their 1% chance in the 2016 lottery and wins the right to draft Auston Matthews first overall? (insert evil laugh here)

  146. LMHF#1 says:

    Pouzar:
    Todd McLellan to become new Edmonton Oilers coach “barring a major collapse” in negotiations, says Sportsnet’s Friedman

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2015/05/13/todd-mclellan-to-become-new-edmonton-oilers-coach-barring-a-major-collapse-in-negotiations-says-sportsnets-friedman/

    Without talking to Babcock yet?

    Mistake.

  147. Ducey says:

    Armchair GM:

    Secure in the knowledge that the Oilers will make a big improvement next year but not enough to make the playoffs, what happens to heads around the NHL when Edmonton takes their 1% chance in the 2016 lottery and wins the right to draft Auston Matthews first overall?(insert evil laugh here)

    Exactly!

    There will be three lotteries next year, created in an attempt for guys like Ed Snider to grab a high pick at the expense of the Oilers. Little does Ed know whats in store for him – the Flyers will finish 30th and pick 4th, behind the Oilers who will finish 20th.

  148. Lowetide says:

    LMHF#1: Without talking to Babcock yet?

    Mistake.

    My working theory is that they asked after Babcock and he indicated they weren’t an option at this time. Just a guess, mind.

  149. Ducey says:

    LMHF#1: Without talking to Babcock yet?

    Mistake.

    Didn’t Chia talk to Holland? As LT says, Babcock likely isn’t interested in EDM.

    The mistake might be to sit around playing footsie with Babcock and his wife, while Philly, Toronto, or even Detroit scoop McLellan/ or you piss him off making him wait around.

    If you take McLelland now, you don’t have to worry about being left with neither coach when the music stops. You also likely save some $$, as Babcock might blow that cost out of the water.

  150. TheGreatMutato says:

    ChiliChunk

    23.9%Lundqvist
    27.1%Rask
    27.3%Price
    27.5%Schneider

    ………..

    43.1%C. Ward
    52.6%Scrivens

    Thanks for taking the time to put that together. Wowzers!

  151. speeds says:

    Armchair GM:
    It’s not the players drafted in 2015, 2016 and 2017 which will be the McDavid cluster.It’s the players drafted in the past few years who make up the bulk of that cohort.Other than McDavid himself, it is unlikely anyone drafted in the near future will make a meaningful contribution to the Oilers at an NHL level.They will be in some stage of development which can kindly be described as ‘on the horizon’.

    I get what you’re saying, but think that’s a bit of an overstatement. If EDM drafts a D at 16OV this year, not impossible he’s NHL ready when Ference’s deal is over. Or that a F drafted at 16OV is NHL ready either in 16/17 or the year after.

  152. speeds says:

    Ducey:

    If you non tender Schultz, you are going to regret it.

    One of the problems with Schultz’s situation is not just that he’s (arguably?) overpaid for what he is today, but that even if he progresses in a way you’d like to see he could well still be the player type that is likely to be overpaid as an RFA or UFA.

  153. LMHF#1 says:

    Lowetide: My working theory is that they asked after Babcock and he indicated they weren’t an option at this time. Just a guess, mind.

    I’d like to see this confirmed. I’m uneasy that there’s a bit of inferiority complex plus favorite-fixation sinking into this one.

    It’s fine if true, though I have no issue with missing out on Babcock and McLellan by waiting longer because my second choice at this point would actually be Nelson. I’m not going to be upset if they hire McLellan, but I don’t get the high praise. Good coach, not great coach.

  154. Adam Wu says:

    Secure in the knowledge that the Oilers will make a big improvement next year but not enough to make the playoffs, what happens to heads around the NHL when Edmonton takes their 1% chance in the 2016 lottery and wins the right to draft Auston Matthews first overall?(insert evil laugh here)

    As much as the Oilers have had good fortune with regards to the draft lottery, they have had a LOT of bad fortune on the ice.

    R. Whitney was a legitimate top 4 D at the moment he signed with the Oil. Within months he injures his ankle and is never the same again.

    In the years following drafting Hall, in how many of them did the Oil lead the league in man-games lost to injury? I recall one of those years they not only lead the league, they had over 50% more games lost than the second most severely hit team.

    The cavalcade of shoulder injuries to Hall, RNH, etc.

    In the last 2 years, 4 (FOUR) reasonable bets to provide league average goaltending, ALL failing to cover that bet. (You can go back to the discussion at the time if you don’t believe me, but all of the Dubnyk, Labarbera, Scrivens and Fasth moves were praised as good reasonable bets for the G position, and smarter than going whale hunting for an expensive no. 1 at the time they were made)

    Poor management decisions compounded a lot of this bad luck, but it is undeniable that the bad luck was there.

  155. Showerhead says:

    speeds: I get what you’re saying, but think that’s a bit of an overstatement.If EDM drafts a D at 16OV this year, not impossible he’s NHL ready when Ference’s deal is over.Of that a F drafted at 16OV is NHL ready either in 16/17 or the year after.

    I tend to side with you on this speeds. Edmonton’s peak years for value contracts will be:
    McDavid year 3 – wherein Connor’s contract is the cheapest it will ever be and his performance to dollar ratio will be the best it ever gets.
    McDavid year 4 – wherein Connor’s contract soars but Hall/Ebs/RNH are all still on their $6M deals
    McDavid year 5 – wherein Connor’s contract has soared, Ebs gets paid, and Hall/RNH are still $6M each
    In McDavid years 6 and 7, Hall and RNH get their paydays and thigns get tougher.

    Key points:
    1) There is urgency here! McDavid year 3 is soon and it’s possible we have one of the most productive players in the entire NHL on one of its smallest cap hits.
    2) The staggering of Ebs/Hall/RNH contracts actually makes it slightly easier to avoid complete cap hell when we’re celebrating Edmonton’s awesomeness and everyone is getting paid.
    3) Ebs/Hall/RNH at $6M with today’s cap are essentially making 2006 Ryan Smyth money. I keep saying this and I wish more people would repeat it. Taylor Hall takes close to the same % of cap in today’s NHL that Ryan Smyth did when he played for $3.5M during Edmonton’s Cup run. These are great deals, especially moving forward and especially for Hall and RNH!

    Anyhow. McDavid years 3-5 are prime time in terms of value contracts for Edmonton’s stars. If you’re looking for value contracts for Edmonton’s fringe players, you may include good players on their ELCs. While Draisaitl and Nurse’s years are more likely to fill these spots, it’s entirely possible that a 2015 pick gets the job done. There is enough time.

  156. TheGreatMutato says:

    How much value do people think Jultz still holds in the eyes of other GMs? I’m genuinely curious if it is possible that other people could look at the player and see his offensive upside (which teams pay for) and excuse some of his defensive deficiencies as some sort of ‘Oilers effect’.

    Because I am now strictly positive in all things Oilers (WOOOOT MCDAVID WOOOOOO), I am allowing myself to fantasize about some kind of Jultz + 16OV + ?? for a better defensive prospect, ala Jones. I dunno, just something to skip a few years of development vs. drafting at 16 and using up some of the vaunted ‘McDavid ELC window’.

    Dare to dream.

    Also, McDavid.

  157. Armchair GM says:

    speeds,

    My focus was on the word ‘cluster’. Yes players could emerge from the next few drafts during the time of McDavid’s ELC but considering that it’s ChiaPet and Not MacT who is in charge, it is much more likely that the practice of moving drafted players to the NHL before their time has ended. There won’t be a cluster of players emerging from the next few drafts. The cluster is already armed and ready. It’s Nurse, Yak, the Saddle and not Barzal, Vande Sompel and Jake Bean. It’s Hall and Nuge, not the replacements you might get if you traded Hall. The idea that the cluster will be moved forward is a defeatist attitude which signals that we need to wait for our deliverance. The idea that the cluster is in place, ready to explode and McDavid is about to light the match so we can look forward to immediate fireworks is a concept we don’t want to embrace as Oiler fans since we have had our hopes beaten down so badly. It’s a new day in Oilerland. The McDavid cluster is here already.

  158. Showerhead says:

    Armchair GM:
    speeds,

    My focus was on the word ‘cluster’.Yes players could emerge from the next few drafts during the time of McDavid’s ELC but considering that it’s ChiaPet and Not MacT who is in charge, it is much more likely that the practice of moving drafted players to the NHL before their time has ended.There won’t be a cluster of players emerging from the next few drafts.The cluster is already armed and ready.It’s Nurse, Yak, the Saddle and not Barzal, Vande Sompel and Jake Bean.It’s Hall and Nuge, not the replacements you might get if you traded Hall.The idea that the cluster will be moved forward is a defeatist attitude which signals that we need to wait for our deliverance.The idea that the cluster is in place, ready to explode and McDavid is about to light the match so we can look forward to immediate fireworks is a concept we don’t want to embrace as Oiler fans since we have had our hopes beaten down so badly.It’s a new day in Oilerland.The McDavid cluster is here already.

    I’m going to jump in just because I already sort of did with my longer comment above.

    When you say “cluster”, I agree with you. The core is rounding into shape and will ideally become even more clear as Nurse and Draisaitl enter the league.

    When it comes to the potential for value contracts, I think it’s entirely possible that a guy gets drafted this year, spends 1 year in junior, 2 in the AHL, and then joins Edmonton on a cheap ELC the year McDavid’s 2nd contract kicks in. You can’t count on it happening and I doubt there is room for more than one or two of these guys but the 2015 and 2016 drafts may yet provide dividends prior to cap hell.

  159. John Chambers says:

    Adam Wu,

    Excellent post.

    I’ll happily trade the bad luck of 2009- present in exchange for the good luck of all the lottery victories.

    Calgary shat luck this year but it won’t serve them well in the long run.

  160. Ducey says:

    speeds: One of the problems with Schultz’s situation is not just that he’s (arguably?) overpaid for what he is today, but that even if he progresses in a way you’d like to see he could well still be the player type that is likely to be overpaid as an RFA or UFA.

    I agree. That’s kind of what you sign up for when you grab one of these college free agents and you are competing with 20 other teams.

    He is likely always going to be paid an extra $1.5 million? more than he is worth. It doesn’t seem that is much of a worry now given the Oilers salary structure. When it does become a problem, the Oilers might have to move him. If he improves, they might be moving him for something useful.

    The other option would be to take advantage of his struggles and offer him a longer deal at $3.5 M per year. He might take it and then there is a decent chance he turns into a bargain.

    I can only imagine the joy around here if Chia’s 1st move was to sign Schultz to a 5 year $17.5 M contract 🙂

  161. Tire Fire says:

    Growing up, I had a friend who had a wild-eyed and violent older brother. If you let him talk like a shithead and didn’t interfere with his caveman behaviour and comments you came out unscathed. Every once in a while, my friend would talk back and take some punches (huge size mismatch). His mom would tell my friend “you know what he’s like, why do you talk back?” Now, it may not have been smart to talk back, but when it comes to deciding who was wrong, I have to lay the blame at the feet of the bullying older brother.

    Same accounting goes for DSF. It might not be smart to feed the troll, but let’s not start assigning equal blame to the feeder as we do the troll.

    Certainly, let’s try not to engage it, but there’s an awful big roster of human posters in here who might slip up every once in a while when sharing a room with a troll.

  162. John Chambers says:

    TheGreatMutato,

    I’d be willing to see what McClellan and depth on D can do for Jultz’ value before jettisoning him. Unlike Nikitin there is still substantial upside in Schultz, excellent potential yet to be fully recognized.

    Casual fans (myself included) had nearly written off Nail Yakupov, and as we distance ourself from the Dementor in favour of good coaching, I think both us and GMs around the league will see the value of a handful of Oilers elevated.

  163. TheGreatMutato says:

    John Chambers,

    Good points – thank you =)

    McDavid!

  164. misfit says:

    Armchair GM,

    I was just about to make the same point. McDavid is so far ahead of the pack that even the other players taken in the same draft year aren’t really a part of his “cluster”.

    This is a guy who, at 17 (this past year) probably would’ve produced in the NHL at the level you wouldn’t even expect most high end prospects to do until about 21 or later. Then again, I think McDavid could’ve put up 70 points this year, and some might disagree on that point. Connor McDavid is right in the heart of the Hall/Eberle/Nuge cluster.

    There’s a reason the Pens didn’t tear everything down and start a rebuild when they won the Crosby lottery. They would’ve wasted a lot of good years from Sid the Kid waiting for the rest of the kids to catch up. That, and they were well into a rebuild already having finished in the bottom 5 in each of the previous 3 seasons.

    It’s also why I don’t think we should look primarily for a defenseman with the 16 pick. By all means, take one if that’s the best player, but the pick (even a mid 1st in a good draft year) isn’t going to fill any immediate needs, or even needs that are 2-3 years out.

  165. AnOmYnOuS1 says:

    LMHF#1: I’d like to see this confirmed. I’m uneasy that there’s a bit of inferiority complex plus favorite-fixation sinking into this one.

    It’s fine if true, though I have no issue with missing out on Babcock and McLellan by waiting longer because my second choice at this point would actually be Nelson. I’m not going to be upset if they hire McLellan, but I don’t get the high praise. Good coach, not great coach.

    Aside from his teams not winning the cup, he has been a one of the best coaches in the NHL for years. This post on TSN shows him at 3rd from Points %.
    http://www.tsn.ca/ducks-boudreau-is-a-winner-1.281100
    He runs a high tempo offensive team, which is pretty much how our team has been characterized and built. And he’s consistently had one of the best PP in the league. He’s a veteran and generally characterized as well liked by his players. To me he seems to be a great coach and fit for us. I don’t feel like this is a favourite fixation, he is one of the best coaches in the NHL, let alone being among the best who are available. This is a astute hiring of a respected, veteran coach.

    None of that is a slight against Todd Nelson. He’s also a great coach, but he’s just lacking the experience that McLellan brings. He’ll be a great coach in the league, but he’s just not in the right place to compete for the job. I think the days of nepotism are dwindling and he just got caught in the transition to an experienced GM and Coach. I’d like to see him come back as part of the coaching staff. He seems to communicate very well with the team and has their respect.

  166. blainer says:

    John Chambers:
    TheGreatMutato,

    I’d be willing to see what McClellan and depth on D can do for Jultz’ value before jettisoning him. Unlike Nikitin there is still substantial upside in Schultz, excellent potential yet to be fully recognized.

    Casual fans (myself included) had nearly written off Nail Yakupov, and as we distance ourself from the Dementor in favour of good coaching, I think both us and GMs around the league will see the value of a handful of Oilers elevated.

    I would like to see shultz paired with a defense 1st puck moving Corsi eating vet D.. Give him a year and see how he does. This might be a completely different conversation next year especially with TM as the new coach.. just sayin..

  167. G Money says:

    Gay Leno:
    G Money,

    Lol real life nickname, actual name is Gaylen

    Outstanding!

  168. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    Tire Fire:
    Growing up, I had a friend who had a wild-eyed and violent older brother.If you let him talk like a shithead and didn’t interfere with his caveman behaviour and comments you came out unscathed.Every once in a while, my friend would talk back and take some punches (huge size mismatch).His mom would tell my friend “you know what he’s like, why do you talk back?”Now, it may not have been smart to talk back, but when it comes to deciding who was wrong, I have to lay the blame at the feet of the bullying older brother.

    Same accounting goes for DSF.It might not be smart to feed the troll, but let’s not start assigning equal blame to the feeder as we do the troll.

    Certainly, let’s try not to engage it, but there’s an awful big roster of human posters in here who might slip up every once in a while when sharing a room with a troll.

    I was thinking this. Although now that it has been group discussed I expect less people will get baited, but it will happen, probably to me.

  169. G Money says:

    On April 17th of this year, Todd McLellan was rumoured to be out of a job in San Jose.

    Not sure anyone on here even bothered to raise the idea of hiring him. Even assuming he was available, why on earth would he have come to the fustercluck that was the Oilers?

    Now here we are, not two months later, and we’re poo-pooing the idea of hiring Todd McLellan – because Mike Babcock might be available.

    Man.

    Or should I say

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT.

  170. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    LMHF#1: I’d like to see this confirmed. I’m uneasy that there’s a bit of inferiority complex plus favorite-fixation sinking into this one.

    It’s fine if true, though I have no issue with missing out on Babcock and McLellan by waiting longer because my second choice at this point would actually be Nelson. I’m not going to be upset if they hire McLellan, but I don’t get the high praise. Good coach, not great coach.

    When Babcock said he brought it up with his wife and it blew up, my first thought was that he said I’m considering Edmonton because they have the most things that will further my legacy, and she said, after years living as a wealthy woman on the east coast, not on your like pal.

    Or something like that.

  171. TheGreatMutato says:

    G Money:

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT.

  172. Woodguy says:

    All,

    The answer to get your DSF jim-jams out is to troll him on his blog and not here.

    I did that in this thread:

    https://dcbdotme.wordpress.com/2015/04/25/sunrise/

    I felt pretty good about it.

    His blog is actually interesting when he’s not ignoring evidence in order to troll Oiler fans.

    Note: you may have ya-ya’s and not jim-jams to get out, and that’s fine.

  173. theres oil in virginia says:

    borisnikov: The two consistent items in these battles of (nit)wits are him and you. You can only control one of those.

    “I am the only (nit)wit that I am in control of. I am the only (nit)wit that I am in control of. I am the only (nit)wit that I am in control of.” Hey, I think it’s working! “I am the only…”

  174. Woodguy says:

    theres oil in virginia: “I am the only (nit)wit that I am in control of.I am the only (nit)wit that I am in control of.I am the only (nit)wit that I am in control of.”Hey, I think it’s working!“I am the only…”

    Gord grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls I cannot change.

    The courage to argue with the trolls I can

    And the wisdom to know the difference

  175. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy:
    All,

    The answer to get your DSF jim-jams out is to troll him on his blog and not here.

    I did that in this thread:

    https://dcbdotme.wordpress.com/2015/04/25/sunrise/

    I felt pretty good about it.

    His blog is actually interesting when he’s not ignoring evidence in order to troll Oiler fans.

    Note: you may have ya-ya’s and not jim-jams to get out, and that’s fine.

    That’s some classic stuff there. Please do that again some time. I particularly like how you “dashed” away at the end. Kudos to Foxy for not deleting it.

  176. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy,

    My answer to the man is this:

    As our resident cynic he won’t derive the same level of satisfaction from the team’s future success – he turned his back on the team and fellow fans, and won’t be part of the high-five circle when the playoff wins start to happen with regularity.

    You can stand on the opposite shore and laugh when it’s raining on our side – but you can’t pretend you didn’t when the sun breaks through and we’re laughing around the barbecue.

    Because as I’ve come to understand it – you develop a past 🙂

  177. Armchair GM says:

    Showerhead,

    You have an entirely perceptive observation. This draft (deep and we have a lot of bullets) and next year (still out of the playoffs) are what will sustain the Oil as a high performing team for a decade. They may not be part of the McDavid cluster but they are the ones that you can count on as cheap replacements for the 8’s, 9’s (and jacks) that always seem to get paid beyond their true value when a team becomes successful. There will be a time when some expensive vets (not the aces and kings) will need to be cashed in for new bullets and replaced by those value contracts. This draft could go a long way to providing those replacement parts. By the time we wind up in Cap H-E-double hockey sticks, Lowetide’s famous 5 year rule should have a verdict on whether the Oil becomes a sustainable entity or suffers from the dreaded Alberta boom and bust.

  178. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Morning all,
    A few comments to add seeing the discussion continue.

    At the risk of sounding like an apologist, the man behind the DSF moniker is far from “insane,” is smart, helpful and honorable (see the whisky bet with Woodguy). Other than the rickithebear assault comment, which to me seemed clearly like hyperbole in reaction to painting him in a corner, he doesn’t make personal attacks or derogatory comments like some other posters here. Some of us (and I’m not absolving myself of this in anyway) need to have a look in the mirror before we start attacking others. There are many references of late to stupidity or smoking illicit items or other things that are derailing threads as well.

    I don’t believe DSF is here to troll anyone. He is a bitter, disenfranchised Oiler fan who happened to be right on many views we eventually came around to, for example, that MacT would be a bad GM as long as Lowe was around, etc. Yes, he also makes some absurd comments for the sake of playing Devil’s Advocate, but to me, that’s really a product of what’s happened to this team.

    We could laugh it off and say, Ok, let’s bring this back up when Draisaitl is killing Colbourne, but instead it becomes a pissing match. We’re at least guilty as well.

    When ricki says Aulie is better than Petry and Weber with his math, do we all get upset and have a piss fight? No. We laugh and agree to disagree because we will never bridge that gap.

  179. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Regarding the #16, as it happens we’ve had:
    #6 Monahan
    #7 Nurse

    #3 Draisaitl
    #4 Bennett

    #15?
    #16?

    With the rep that the Oilers can’t draft like the Flames. I reluctantly concede that under Feaster they out-drafted the Oilers for the most part, and I’m not counting Monahan here as that’s not fair. Yes, infamous is Jankowski but otherwise he did a good job there.

    It would be really nice if the Oilers got a player who is better this time around. I really hope they are doing their homework with this very valuable and important pick.

  180. stevezie says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”,

    DSF is great once you accept he is pathologically opposed to giving the devil his due. The devil in this case is any oiler. I like this because he fights groupthink. His points on the 29 other teams are often plenty astute. The main reason he seems to dominate conversations is people clutching the pearls (I’m not convinced this is a sexist term, but am open to being convinced) at his obviously inflammatory comments about the copper and blue. Take it for what its worth, which is more than zero.

  181. GCW_69 says:

    Lowetide: Woogie63:
    Draft question….
    Driasaitl to Arizona for the third overall this year and then select Hanafin.
    Gives Arizona a centre to build from vs. a dman which they already have, and they get an older player with a longer track record to help re-start their program.
    Oilers get a RHD which fits their needs better than a 3rd line centre….and they pick up one additional year on an ELC
    No. I’m not in love with the idea of trading Draisaitl. Big C’s are hard to find.

    So are top pairing defenders. If Arizona was willing to do that deal, I think you would have to look hard at it.

    Hanifan is a left shot though.

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