ALMOST BLUE

We know the draft numbers for Edmonton, but will they use all 10 selections? I’d bet the farm the answer is no. The Oilers need a D and a G and other teams don’t want the available roster players. No. 16 and No. 33? They’re heading for the Johnny Cash. It’s a crying shame.

TOP 100 PLAYERS IN THE 2015 DRAFT

  1. (1) C Connor McDavid, Erie Otters (OHL) More gears than an Italian race car.
  2. (2) C Jack Eichel, Boston U (NCAA) Big, strong, elite. Complete skill set.
  3. (3) R Mitch Marner, London Knights (OHL) Corey Pronman has him No. 3 on his final list.
  4. (4) D Noah Hanifin, Boston College (NCAA) Best D in a deep class. Across the board skills.
  5. (5) C Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (OHL) Poor performance in May shouldn’t impact draft number.
  6. (6) D Ivan Provorov, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) Quality offensive player, good defender.
  7. (7) C Mathew Barzal, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) Solidified ranking with quality U18’s. Fantastic skater.
  8. (8) R Mikko Rantanen, TPS Turku (SML) Has a wide range of skills, good size.
  9. (9) D Zach Werenski, Michigan (NCAA) Terrific offensive defender. Good size.
  10. (10) R Timo Meier, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL) Tremendous talent, NHL-ready?
  11. (12) L Evgeni Svechnikov, Cape Breton (QMJHL) Big, strong and skilled. Magic hands.
  12. (11) R Nick Merkley, Kelowna Rockets (WHL) Impressive offensive player.
  13. (13) C Anthony Beauvillier, Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL) Small, elite skills. Smart.
  14. (14) D Jeremy Roy, Sherbrooke Phoenix (QMJHL) Offensive D, has ability as a defender.
  15. (18) C Travis Konecny, Ottawa 67’s (OHL) Impressive player with range of skills. Modern Bobby Clarke.
  16. (16) C Jansen Harkins, Prince George Cougars (WHL) Two-way center, skilled.
  17. (15) D Mitchell Vande Sompel, Oshawa (OHL) Undersized two-way defender. Substantial skills.
  18. (17) C Kyle Connor, Youngstown (USHL) Smart two-way forward.
  19. (19) R Daniel Sprong, Charlottetown Islanders (QMJHL) Quick, skilled first-shot scorer
  20. (20) D Oliver Kylington, Farjestad (SHL) Great wheels, solid defender.
  21. (21) L Jake Debrusk, Swift Current (WHL) Goal-scoring winger with speed.
  22. (28) L Lawson Crouse, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Power forward with some offensive skills.
  23. (22) R Blake Speers, SSM Greyhounds (OHL) Two-way W, good speed. Terrific player.
  24. (23) C Pavel Zacha, Sarnia Sting (OHL). Big, physical center with average offense. Solid U18’s.
  25. (26) C Joel Eriksson Ek, Farjestad (SEL) Skill C with size, speed.
  26. (24) G Daniel Vladar, Kladno (Czech 2) 8GP, 1.97 .933
  27. (25) D Ryan Pilon, Brandon (WHL) Offensive defender with size and speed.
  28. (29) C Filip Chlapik, Charlotteteown Islanders (QMJHL) Two-way C, range of skills
  29. (32) D Jakub Zboril, Saint John Sea Dogs (QMJHL) Two-way D, solid offense.
  30. (27) C Andrew Mangiapane, Barrie (OHL) Brilliant offensive player.
  31. (30) C-R Jeremy Bracco, USNTDP (USHL) Small forward with fast hands, great skill.
  32. (33) D Rasmus Andersson, Barrie (OHL) Smart 2-way D.
  33. (31) R Brock Boeser, Waterloo Blachawks (USHL) Power winger, impressive scorer
  34. (34) D Ethan Bear, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) Mobile defender, very good shot.
  35. (35) L Paul Bittner, Portland Winterhawks (WHL) Big winger with speed and scoring ability
  36. (38) D Thomas Chabot, Saint John Seadogs (QMJHL) Fine passer, solid defender.
  37. (48) C Nicolas Roy, Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL) Rugged two-way C with size.
  38. (39) R Nikita Korostelev, Sarnia Sting (OHL) Skill winger.
  39. (37) F Filip Ahl, HV-71 (SHL) 6.04, 214, strong all the walls. Tough to move.
  40. (41) C Mitchell Stephens, Saginaw Spirit (OHL). Speedy C had a massive U18’s.
  41. (36) D Travis Dermott, Erie Otters (OHL) Undersized, mobile defender.
  42. (42) F Colin White, USNTDP (USHL) Fine skater, two-way player.
  43. (43) R Zach Senyshyn, SSM Greyhounds (OHL) Terrific speed, no fear. Skilled.
  44. (50) L Denis Gurianov, Lada (MHL). Smooth offensive player, good size. Quality U18.
  45. (44) L Dennis Yan, Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL) Scoring W with some size.
  46. (45) R Jens Looke, Brynas (SHL) Playmaking winger with speed.
  47. (40) C Nathan Noel, Saint John Sea Dogs (QMJHL) Wide range of skills, undersized.
  48. (46) L Dmytro Timashov, Quebec Remparts (QMJHL) Explosive winger with crazy numbers.
  49. (47) D Nicolas Meloche, Baie-Comeau (QMJHL) Effective defender, good size.
  50. (53) C-R Roope Hintz, Ilves (SML) Intelligent two-way W, fine skater.
  51. (49) G Matej Tomek, Topeka Roadrunners (NAHL) 31GP, 1.71 .932
  52. (62) D Erik Cernak, Kosice (Slovak) Huge defenseman with a nice range of skills.
  53. (51) L Ryan Gropp, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) PF prospect, can score goals.
  54. (52) D Noah Juulsen, Everett Silvertips (WHL) Good size, can play defense, some skill.
  55. (54) L Erik Foley, Cedar Rapids (USHL) Tough winger has offensive ability.
  56. (56) L Vladimir Tkachev, Quebec Remparts (QMJHL) Small W, extremely skilled.
  57. (57) D Jacob Larsson, Frolunda (SHL) Two-way defender, tall and rangy.
  58. (58) R Michael Spacek, Pardubice (Cze) Skilled, hard working.
  59. (63) L Graham Knott, Niagra Ice Dogs (OHL) Size, good scorer, range of skills.
  60. (59) G Michael McNiven, Owen Sound Attack (OHL) 23GP, 2.78 .914
  61. (55) D Vince Dunn, Niagara (OHL). Smart offensive defender.
  62. (61) C Julius Nattinen, JYP (Fin 2). Big skill C gaining steam during spring tournaments.
  63. (69) C Jack Roslovic, USNTDP (USHL) Playmaking C had a tremendous U18’s.
  64. (70) C Thomas Novak, Waterlook Blackhawks (USHL). Skilled two-way center.
  65. (60) D Matt Spencer, Peterborough Petes (OHL) Tough two-way defender.
  66. (64) D Brandon Carlo, Tri-City (WHL) Big, strong, mean defender.
  67. (65) G MacKenzie Blackwood, Barrie Colts (OHL). Big butterfly style goalie.
  68. (67) C Tyler Soy, Victoria Royals (WHL) Lightning quick forward.
  69. (68) D Vili Saarijavi, Green Bay Gamblers (USHL). Small puck moving D is a wizard. Big U18’s.
  70. (66) L Jordan Greenway, USNTDP (USHL) Power winger with skill.
  71. (71) R David Case, Chomutov (Cze-2) Skilled winger with aggressive bent. Impressive U18’s.
  72. (72) C Glenn Gawdin, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). Keeps impressing with two-way skills.
  73. (74) L Jesse Gabrielle, Regina Pats (WHL). Projects as a scoring winger—better than boxcars.
  74. (83) L Robin Kovacs, AIK (Allsvenskan). Skill winger with speed, rugged and pesky style.
  75. (75) D Parker Wotherspoon, Tri-City Americans (WHL). Good skater, defender, increasing offense.
  76. (76) R Christian Fischer, USNTDP (USHL). Scoring winger with size, 7 points at U18’s.
  77. (80) C Alexander Dergachyov, St. Petersburg (Rus Jr). Giant skill C, attractive range of skills.
  78. (73) C Gabriel Gagne, Victoriaville (QMJHL) Huge C, good speed, very creative offensively.
  79. (85) G Ilya Samsonov, Magnitogorsk (Rus Jr) Big goalie, good numbers, quality U18’s.
  80. (77) L Austin Wagner, Regina Pats (WHL). Speedy winger emerged late and can do a lot of things.
  81. (78) D Jesper Lindgren, Modo (Swe Jr).  ‘Erik Karlsson clone’ according to Red Line.
  82. (86) G Felix Sandstrom, Brynas (Super-Elite). 14GP, 2.63 .907 in SE and 2 SHL games 1.09 .963.
  83. (79) D Kyle Capobianco, Sudbury Wolves (OHL). Skill D had a strong finish to OHL season.
  84. (81) L Sebastian Ohlsson, Skelleftea (SHL). Small skill center showed well at U18’s.
  85. (82) R Deven Sideroff, Kamloops Blazers (WHL). Skill winger, hard worker, very good passer.
  86. (93) C Dante Salituro, Ottawa 67’s (OHL). Small forward, terrific skill.
  87. (87) R Lukas Jasek, Trinec (Czech). Smart two-way forward with skill.
  88. (88) G Adin Hill, Portland Winterhawks (WHL). .921 SP and he’s 6.04
  89. (89) D Gustaf Bouramman, SSM Greyhounds (OHL). Puck-moving defender with decent size.
  90. (84) C Yakov Trenin, Gatineau Olympique (QMJHL). Skilled forward, foot speed an issue.
  91. (99) C Jakov Forsbacka Karlsson, Omaha Lancers (USHL). Playmaking center, good passer.
  92. (91) D Gabriel Carlsson, Linkoping (Swe Jr). Rangy defender, highly rated by Central Scouting.
  93. (92) C Giorgio Estephan, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Skill player on a bad team.
  94. (90) C Brad Morrison, Prince George Cougars (WHL). Speedy and creative center.
  95. (94) D Brendan Guhle, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Sleeping giant, range of skills.
  96. (NR) C Anthony Richard, Vad d’Or (QMJHL). Great skater, quality offense.
  97. (95) D Alexandre Carrier, Gatineau Olympiques (QMJHL). Undersized D with a bomb for a shot.
  98. (96) C Adam Musil, Red Deer Rebels (WHL). Skill winger, would be higher but EV scoring is troubling.
  99. (NR) L Sebastian Aho, Karpat (SM-Liiga). Smart, skilled offensive player.
  100. (NR) R Connor Garland, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL). Small, extremely skilled.

I still have some track to go (have begun looking at Finland, with Russia, the NCAA, USHL and BCJHL to follow) but we have the top 10 surrounded now and I’ll eventually get the list to 120. One thing we should be prepared for: Draft day trades. It’s setting up for furious action around that No. 16 overall selection on day one, and early on day two with picks No. 33 and No. 57.

  • No. 1 overall: C Connor McDavid.
  • No. 16 overall: C Jansen Harkins/packaged with Marincin for Brent Seabrook?
  • No. 33 overall: D Ethan Bear/packaged with Yakimov for Talbot?
  • No. 57 overall: D Noah Juulsen
  • No. 79 overall: C Alexander Dergachyov
  • No. 86 overall: G Ilya Samsonov
  • No. 117 overall: R Connor Garland
  • No. 124 overall: C Ethan Szypula
  • No. 154 overall: R Jonathan Davidsson
  • No. 184 overall: L Braylon Shmyr

If the Oilers walk away from the draft with McDavid, Seabrook and Talbot, does that make sense? The problem is contract—both roster players are free agents 2016. I’m not smart enough to figure this out, but trading No. 16 and No. 33 for those players disconnects on the contracts. Maybe 2016 second-round picks? Don’t know.

seabrook capture

ABOUT SEABROOK

  • Jim Matheson: It’s no secret the Oilers are eyeing the Chicago Blackhawks’ Brent Seabrook, 30, because he has another year on his contract at $5 million before he becomes an unrestricted free agent, and the ’Hawks are once again in a major cap squeeze for next year and beyond. Source

Some (many?) may question Matty’s sources but I’ve grown to trust them over the years. The Tambellini era was dark in terms of leaks, but since that time (and long before) the information highway running to Matheson’s typewriter has been splendid. I genuinely believe the Edmonton Oilers are interested in Brent Seabrook.

I can’t get him here for 2015 picks and prospects because he’s a year away from free agency. Perhaps the Oilers have found a way.

seabrook boxcars and fancyThat’s Seabrook in is last three seasons with the ‘Hawks. Second-pairing opposition and a ZS push, along with a solid Corsi and good production on the power play. I think the Oilers have a role for him, I think they’d like to have him and I do think Chicago would welcome a high pick plus a prospect or two in exchange. The disconnect is the one-year deal and the 2015 draft payment for a rential. I can’t make it work. Can you?

CLUSTER

I’d rather see Edmonton draft at No. 16 and No. 33 but the assets available to Peter Chiarelli and attractive to Chicago and the Rangers (or other teams) are limited. I know it isn’t as sexy, but keeping the picks, signing Niemi and Sekera and keeping their powder dry in terms of exiting assets is the better plan. Unless Peter Chiarelli can find a creative way to get this done, and he’s a very creative GM, then I don’t see this summer being the best opportunity to deal young assets and picks.

 

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143 Responses to "ALMOST BLUE"

  1. Mr DeBakey says:

    No. 16 overall: C Jansen Harkins/packaged with Marincin for Brent Seabrook?
    No. 33 overall: D Ethan Bear/packaged with Yakimov for Talbot?

    Like the incoming

    But that’s a lot of outgoing for 82 x 2 games.
    Plus play-offs, of course.

  2. Bar_Qu says:

    The first round pick is dear, and rightly so, but the second rounders should be fair game to package with prospects. It would be great to have 6 picks in the top 100, but 4 with a top flight G and D are even better (something about a bird in the hand and all).

    I actually trust Chia based on his trading rep from years past and am genuinely hopeful about what he can make work.

  3. wordbird says:

    kinda hoping for a happy medium. Keep #16, package #33 + for a D. sign a Neuvirth and an Enroth, or similar.

  4. Rondo says:

    If Jeremy Roy is gone before Edmonton’s pick they will take a very close look at Oliver Kylington. He maybe a home run or a bust.

  5. oliveoilers says:

    “If the Oilers walk away from the draft with McDavid, Seabrook and Talbot, does that make sense? The problem is contract—both roster players are free agents 2016. I’m not smart enough to figure this out, but trading No. 16 and No. 33 for those players disconnects on the contracts. Maybe 2016 second-round picks? Don’t know.”

    LT, at some point we’ll have to pay the piper for some pretty shitty GMing. Whether we do it now, or later (2016 picks), it has to be. Maybe we’ll lose a good player for nothing, but then, that’s never bothered the Oilers before.

    However, I put it to you that:

    a) Easier to trade a player (pick) that’s never played for you. Don’t fall in love with them before we’ve even picked them

    2) When, exactly, would you like to turn north? Any pick, aside from the obvious, is not improving this roster next year.

    iii) With the changes and some tangible improvement, maybe these players don’t sign with us next year. But they might find it easier. And if they don’t, maybe others will find it easier.

    We ARE in a much better situation than a month ago. Never thought we’d be having some of the conversations we have been having!

  6. Woodguy says:

    The problem is contract—both roster players are free agents 2016. I’m not smart enough to figure this out, but trading No. 16 and No. 33 for those players disconnects on the contracts.

    Its simple.

    You have conversations with the players and their agents before the deal(s) is(are) consummated.

    Seabrook can sign an extension July 1st, Talbot on January 1st.

    Chiarelli has clear conversations with those players and their agents and verbally agree what kind of contract will be offered and accepted on those dates.

    The extension rule doesn’t have the teams working in the dark on players, its just a timeline on when actual contracts can be signed and registered with the league.

    Not nearly as much sphincter tightening scenarios as everyone assumes.

  7. wordbird says:

    And SPEED. more speed. would like to see Oilers come out of this draft with a couple of burners.

  8. Stud Muffin says:

    Would not trade Yakimov for Talbot Alone.

  9. Lowetide says:

    oliveoilers:
    “If the Oilers walk away from the draft with McDavid, Seabrook and Talbot, does that make sense? The problem is contract—both roster players are free agents 2016. I’m not smart enough to figure this out, but trading No. 16 and No. 33 for those players disconnects on the contracts. Maybe 2016 second-round picks? Don’t know.”

    LT, at some point we’ll have to pay the piper for some pretty shitty GMing.Whether we do it now, or later (2016 picks), it has to be.Maybe we’ll lose a good player for nothing, but then, that’s never bothered the Oilers before.

    However, I put it to you that:

    a)Easier to trade a player (pick) that’s never played for you.Don’t fall in love with them before we’ve even picked them

    2)When, exactly, would you like to turn north?Any pick, aside from the obvious, is not improving this roster next year.

    iii)With the changes and some tangible improvement, maybe these players don’t sign with us next year.But they might find it easier.And if they don’t, maybe others will find it easier.

    We ARE in a much better situation than a month ago.Never thought we’d be having some of the conversations we have been having!

    My issue is with trading those assets for two players one year from free agency. If you’re saying to me Edmonton will give up picks and prospects for Seabrook and Talbot signed? I’m in.

  10. Rondo says:

    LT, you may have seen this already regarding Oliver Klington

    LT,
    I asked Martin Lunden about Oliver Kylington regarding a post by a fan.

    “Erik Liljekvist · Top Commenter · Karlstad, Sweden

    I have seen him play in Färjestad BK the past two years, and he got talent to be a top 5 pic, but that personality is not the ideal one. The reason he got loaned to the second division was because he was demanding to much as a 17 year old. He demanded more then 20 minutes of ice time (he had 14) and could not see to the teams best. Färjestad did the same with Jonas Brodin (Minnesota) and Oscar Klefbom (Edmonton) regarding to icetime, so they don’t give them to little, they give them just enough to develope, but he could not appreciate that.
    I do hope ( and think) he will become a great D man in 5 years, but for now, he is far from being that NHL ready player
    .”
    Martin responded

    Hmm.. well, you never know. That was basically what the press said when he got loaned out to another team. That he was “demanding” to play 20 minutes or more each game – which Färjestad obviously didn’t do (much like Erik say, they never do to them teenagers). Kylington himself told media that he never demanded an actual number (playing time) but he was disappointed with what he got in Färjestad at the time (the last two or so games before he got loaned out he played like 6 minutes or so, at the very least according to himself) which was too little. Why he only played 6 minutes a game the last couple of games there I don’t know. But he thought he needed to play more, get continuity to develop, and he was frustrated he didn’t get it with Färjestad but he never “demanded” more afaik. Also, being loaned out to AIK (in Stockholm) was never a bad thing for him. He does derive out of Stockholm and he got his folks living there so all in all I believe it worked out great for him. Much like I believe he won’t be sour by playing in the AHL.
    Regarding how good he will be it’s hard to tell. I reckon Klefbom (f.e.) will always be better in his own end than Kylington will be at the same age. But Kylington got an offensive upside which Klefbom does not have. The offensive upside rarely shows in the Swedish leagues though. I would personally be very surprised if he’s still there when it’s the Oilers turn to pick again.

  11. Bag of Pucks says:

    Can’t see Samsonov lasting to #86 but I’d be happy if he does.

  12. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    The problem is contract—both roster players are free agents 2016. I’m not smart enough to figure this out, but trading No. 16 and No. 33 for those players disconnects on the contracts.

    Its simple.

    You have conversations with the players and their agents before the deal(s) is(are) consummated.

    Seabrook can sign an extension July 1st, Talbot on January 1st.

    Chiarelli has clear conversations with those players and their agents and verbally agree what kind of contract will be offered and accepted on those dates.

    The extension rule doesn’t have the teams working in the dark on players, its just a timeline on when actual contracts can be signed and registered with the league.

    Not nearly as much sphincter tightening scenarios as everyone assumes.

    The Edmonton Oilers can speak to Cam Talbot’s agent before trading for him? And they can agree to something that binds both sides? Darcy, that’s a contract. I can’t see that being reasonable, but if the Oilers can sign Talbot in the summer and announce it January 1?

    That’s fantastic.

  13. Lowetide says:

    Stud Muffin:
    Would not trade Yakimov for Talbot Alone.

    I’d suggest that Edmonton would.

  14. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy,

    Same parameters as I did with Bernier and Neuvirth using shot locations that Edmonton gave up this past year from the low,med and high danger locations.

    Craig Anderson
    10-11___0.906 Games Started 49, Quality Starts 59%
    11-12___0.911 Games Started 60, Quality Starts 57%
    12-13___0.933 Games Started 71, Quality Starts 71%
    13-14___0.902 Games Started 24, Quality Starts 50%
    14-15___0.912 Games Started 35, Quality Starts 57%
    Avg____0.913 Games Started 331, Quality Starts 58%

    Cam Talbot
    13-14__0.934 Games Started 19, Quality Starts 84%
    14-15__0.923 Games Started 34, Quality Starts 50%
    Avg___0.928 Games Started 53, Quality Starts 62%

  15. v4ance says:

    To me, it feels like there is “undue” pressure to fix all the issues and get 2 D and a G this June/July.

    Stepping back and looking at the big picture, it might almost be better to ease off and keep the powder dry. Get 1 G and 1 D via UFAs and keep all the picks. Know that we might be going into next season needing that other D or other improvements but don’t sell the farm for expiring assets that we can’t retain.

    Keep the maximum cap room going past July 5th and right thru training camp if needed and see who shakes loose during that time from the cap strapped teams. They’ll be under more and more pressure to make a deal as time gets closer to the start of next season and they will have to make tough decisions on who to keep and who to send out.

    Wait the one year for Nikitin and Purcell contracts to run out automatically or trade them for something (if possible) next trade deadline. Use that cap room wisely next year!

  16. gd says:

    I can’t see any reason to trade assets for Talbot, unless the trade includes a D as well. Between Rammo, Neuvirth and Niemi, there is an adequate goalie for under $4Mill for 3 or less years. They need to keep one of either the Pitt 1st or their 2nd. That guy could be a key piece in our trade in 2017-18 for Price when Montreal is way out of the playoff chase.

  17. John Chambers says:

    The Oilers should want to keep #16 in order to add a value contract, hopefully on the blue line, in 3-4 years. I think the forward corps is so beyond deep we can afford to invest high picks in defensemen to build a pipeline Dave Poile would be envious of.

    From there every 2nd and 3rd round pick should be expendable to add veterans, delete Nikittins (this will cost a 3rd or 4th rounder), and obtain a goaler like Raanta.

    We will have the best quality prospects at C and D in the league (assuming we draft a D at #16). Let us rejoice and cash in other picks for Carl Gunnarssons.

  18. flyfish1168 says:

    v4ance:
    To me, it feels like there is “undue” pressure to fix all the issues and get 2 D and a G this June/July.

    Stepping back and looking at the big picture, it might almost be better to ease off and keep the powder dry.Get 1 G and 1 D via UFAs and keep all the picks.Know that we might be going into next season needing that other D or other improvements but don’t sell the farm for expiring assets that we can’t retain.

    Keep the maximum cap room going past July 5th and right thru training camp if needed and see who shakes loose during that time from the cap strapped teams.They’ll be under more and more pressure to make a deal as time gets closer to the start of next season and they will have to make tough decisions on who to keep and who to send out.

    Wait the one year for Nikitin and Purcell contracts to run out automatically or trade them for something (if possible) next trade deadline.Use that cap room wisely next year!

    I made the exact same comment a while back. Patience is what helped Garth Snow get two pretty good players in Boychuck and Leddy. We are not deep enough to sustain a long playoff season after season like the Red Wings if we sell our youth this early.

  19. russ99 says:

    I don’t see why we’d go whale hunting this year, unless we can dump Purcell, Nikitin and Ference to clear the cap room needed to do so.

    Sign the #1 goalie and 1 top defender, then later in FA inexpensively sign two 2-way forwards and 2 lesser veteran defensmen who can defend.

    That enough would get us in the playoff discussion, and give Chiarelli/McLellan a good overview of what we have so we can trade smartly, not trade just to trade.

    Plus let’s be honest, were not going to fix defense with our 16th and 32nd pick, and frankly some of these trade ideas around those picks are ludicrous from the other team’s perspective, cap issues or not.

    We have holes in the system (scoring forward, 2-way defender) so why not use those picks? A stronger system will eventually lead to better trades.

  20. sumaclab says:

    sorry to everyone.Taking T3’s this am for Crohn’s disease. Its been such a unbelievable last few weeks that it seem the impossible may become possible.
    The WHC have me drooling like an idiot.Crosby-Hall and Eberle have been lethal.Top drawer.Though against lesser lights and B level players. But today’s goal by Hall was a thing of beauty to watch.The pass from Crosby to Eberle to Hal was the stuff of dreams.
    The Penguins have reached a fork in the road. The team is not moving forward.It spinning its wheels.Partly because of the cap.Contracts to Malkin and Letang and Fleury and Crosby leaves little left over to pay the role players.Injuries this past season to Letang and others have exposed the Penguins lack of organizational depth.Especially on defense. Their 3rd and fourth lines are fodder and add little or nothing in ways of scoring.

    How can they fix the problem. They need to trade Malkin or someone else.Malkin has come alive for Russia at the WHC. But during the NHL playoffs against quality competition he was non existent.He is a hell of a player.No question. At 9.5 million per season he better be.But and its a big but the recent playoff performances by his Penguins and his own play during that time do not bode well for the Penguins moving forward.
    Are they a good team. Their record says yes.Their playoff record of recent date says that their due date is past due.
    The Oilers are loaded with assets that make other teams drool.Adding McDavid this June will only add to this pot of riches.
    Sitting here on a Saturday watching the WHC has me thinking that opportunity might meet need in a way that we might never have dreamed.The Penguins are a team in need of a n injection of youth and talent. They have hit the wall.The GM in Pittsburgh probably knows it. He has to do something.Correction.He does not have to do anything. And doing nothing will result in the Penguins continued declined.At 28 Crosby is in his prime.His value is enormous.It may be concievable that PC calls up the Penguins and discus’s what it would take to get a Crosby.
    Strange times in Oil Country.Who would have thunk Todd MClelland would be our coach. OR PC our GM.Or Mcdavid.
    Picks and assets we have aplenty.McDavid changes everything. Perhaps even the possibility that Crosby is an Oiler this fall.

  21. Cahoon says:

    Great post, I like the conclusion, except you mean NEUVIRTH and Sekera right?

  22. flyfish1168 says:

    russ99:
    I don’t see why we’d go whale hunting this year, unless we can dump Purcell, Nikitin and Ference to clear the cap room.

    Sign 1 goalie and 1 top defender, then later in FA sign two 2-way forwards and 2 lesser veteran defensmen who can defend.

    That enough would get us in the playoff discussion, and give Chiarelli/McLellan a good overview of what we have so we can trade smartly, not trade just to trade.

    Plus let’s be honest, were not going to fix defense with our 16th and 32nd pick, and frankly some of these trade ideas around those picks ludicrous from the other team’s perspective.

    We have holes in the system (scoring forward, 2-way defender) so why not use those picks? A stronger system will eventually lead to better trades.

    Very well said. Rome wasn’t built in one day. If this CAP thing stays the same for a 2nd year there will be other teams that will need help. We are not close enough to be a playoff team to be traders for need yet.

  23. striatic says:

    Why do Seabrook and/or Talbot verbally agree to an extension in order to facilitate a trade to the Edmonton Oilers?

    If he wants to be here so badly as to do that, why not wait a year and pick Seabrook up as a UFA? No loss of assets that way.

    I must be missing something here.

  24. Hall Awaits says:

    “Jim Matheson: It’s no secret the Oilers are eyeing the Chicago Blackhawks’ Brent Seabrook, 30, because he has another year on his contract at $5 million before he becomes an unrestricted free agent, and the ’Hawks are once again in a major cap squeeze for next year and beyond.”

    Stauffer asked Elliot Friedman about Seabrook and Elliot suggested the Hawks would move Bickell, Sharp or Crawford first. Bob kinda had a “Are you sure about that?” response. He was almost defiant in his belief of what Elliot said. Makes you wonder… Until it happens it’s just a rumour, but it would be a hell of an upgrade to that top pairing.

  25. raventalon40 says:

    Stud Muffin:
    Would not trade Yakimov for Talbot Alone.

    I’m not the biggest fan of Talbot, and I’d still make this bet, and I’m sure the Oilers would too. I’m more of a sign Neuvirth stopgap and wait for Mason to hit free agency kind of guy, but if this trade was available I’d take it.

    Yakimov is a big center, but his results in the AHL are underwhelming. Talbot plays behind the Rangers, who are a good team that gives up a lot of shots (29.5 SA/G compared to the Oilers who are at 30 SA/G). Is he a long-term starting goalie? Probably not. But he’d at least be a good bet as a 1A with Scrivens. He did carry the Rangers while King Henry was injured.

  26. raventalon40 says:

    striatic:
    Why do Seabrook and/or Talbot verbally agreed to an extension in order to facilitate a trade to the Edmonton Oilers?

    If he wants to be here so badly as to do that, why not wait a year and pick Seabrook up as a UFA? No loss of assets that way.

    I must be missing something here.

    The open market is open.

  27. Bar_Qu says:

    Then Olive comes on and says what I was trying to much better. Well done.

    5 years is a long time to wait for whoever we can get in the 2nd round versus even a year of Seabrook.

  28. leadfarmer says:

    frjohnk,

    Craig Anderson has a history of playing better the more shots he takes, Talbot doesn’t have much of a history at all.

    How does Anderson have a 58% quality start while having a 933 save percentage over 71 games and then a 71% quality start while only having a 902 save percentage.

  29. Younger Oil says:

    Agree with the suggestion to only trade #33 if anything.

    One pick in the top 55 in a generational draft for a rebuilding team is something that will cripple this team going forward, especially considering we didn’t have a 2nd and 3rd round pick last year.

    Our prospect depth isn’t at the point where we can afford to be trading draft picks quite yet, we need this draft to do that, it can set us up for a long, long time if we do this right.

    Remember how much it stung to lose Barbashev to STL last year? Odds are there is going to be a Nurse level of quality prospect at #16, and somebody better than Barbashev at #33.

    We can’t trade those picks for players that could very well only be with us for one season, or who would demand a massive overpay to stay with us, thaf could seriously handcuff the team going forward with Yak, Klef, Lander, Draisaitl, Nurse, possibly and others coming off of value contracts.

    McDavid changes everything, but it makes it especially important that we have lots of quality players on their ELC’s by the time our current crop of prospects start demanding raises.

  30. SwedishPoster says:

    Rondo,

    There has never been any kind of confirmation he demanded 20 minutes a night. Kylington himself has denied it, he claims he was unhappy with his ice time, played 6-7 mins a night the last few games before the loan, and asked to be loaned out. However that may be, him and Färjestad don’t seem to be on the same page. Doesn’t matter much now since he’s signed with AIK for next year, which is good from an ice time perspective, Allsvenskan also seems to be a good spot for offensive D to develop. AIK doesn’t have the same resources as the top clubs though so he will have to be more actively involved in his own development. If Oilers draft him they should probably sit down with both the player and his New club and plan for the future to optimize his talent.

  31. leadfarmer says:

    raventalon40,

    Yakimov’s results underwhelming? He had very similar numbers to Anthony Mantha all while getting used to a different culture, being a 20 year old kid half a world from home, learning a new language, and getting used to a smaller ice surface and overall a very different game. I think people forget what huge change it is for these kids. I think his results this year are very promising.

    Mason is not going to hit free agency. The Flyers have been searching for a goalie since Ron Hextall retired. They finally found one. He is not leaving.

  32. RexLibris says:

    It also makes more sense for Bowman to move Bickell and Sharp rather than Seabrook.

    Keith and Seabrook are phenomenal 2nd pairing defenders when you can run Hjalmarsson and ? as a 1st pairing.

    They can replace Bickell and Sharp with Saad and Teravainen this summer. They don’t have an in-house Seabrook replacement.

    Harkins reads too much like the strong, 2-way center this team is going to need in two years’ time to give it up for one year of Seabrook (I don’t think he re-signs here or does an extension).

    Seabrook isn’t enough to fix this roster on his own, and only perhaps in part if they were to land Sekera, Soderberg and Talbot as well.

    Putting that pick in play as part of that overall roster picture is only worth it if you are damned sure you can secure the rest of it.

    For me, I keep the pick and then discuss with Chicago over the summer. The pick reaches maximum value on the morning of June 26th, so you can always entertain offers.

    If the trade happens, then so be it, but it isn’t one I’d advise and I believe in three years’ time the conversation will center around “Have you seen player X for Chicago? Not certain the Oilers would have selected him but man it’d be nice to have him instead of the picks we got for Seabrook at the deadline”.

  33. leadfarmer says:

    Dominoes to fall soon. Babcock to decide next week.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=767855&navid=nhl:topheads

  34. supernova says:

    Hall Awaits:
    “Jim Matheson: It’s no secret the Oilers are eyeing the Chicago Blackhawks’ Brent Seabrook, 30, because he has another year on his contract at $5 million before he becomes an unrestricted free agent, and the ’Hawks are once again in a major cap squeeze for next year and beyond.”

    Stauffer asked Elliot Friedman about Seabrook and Elliot suggested the Hawks would move Bickell, Sharp or Crawford first. Bob kinda had a “Are you sure about that?” response. He was almost defiant in his belief of what Elliot said. Makes you wonder… Until it happens it’s just a rumour, but it would be a hell of an upgrade to that top pairing.

    Stauffer has continually been talking about a top 2 D that has a right shot.

    Issue is most of Bobs Sources don’t exactly have a title or role defined yet.

    Unless chia and bob hit if off.

    I think if Seabrook is actually available that Jim Nill will be making calls for him too.

  35. GCW_69 says:

    If you are trading a first for Seabrook, I think it’s on July 1st and for the 2016 first and the deal is a sign and trade. I would be very wary of trading the Pittsburgh first because you cannot agree on a contract until after the trade. Carlos boozer, anyone?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1848196

  36. GCW_69 says:

    RexLibris:
    It also makes more sense for Bowman to move Bickell and Sharp rather than Seabrook.

    Keith and Seabrook are phenomenal 2nd pairing defenders when you can run Hjalmarsson and ? as a 1st pairing.

    They can replace Bickell and Sharp with Saad and Teravainen this summer. They don’t have an in-house Seabrook replacement.

    Harkins reads too much like the strong, 2-way center this team is going to need in two years’ time to give it up for one year of Seabrook (I don’t think he re-signs here or does an extension).

    Seabrook isn’t enough to fix this roster on his own, and only perhaps in part if they were to land Sekera, Soderberg and Talbot as well.

    Putting that pick in play as part of that overall roster picture is only worth it if you are damned sure you can secure the rest of it.

    For me, I keep the pick and then discuss with Chicago over the summer. The pick reaches maximum value on the morning of June 26th, so you can always entertain offers.

    If the trade happens, then so be it, but it isn’t one I’d advise and I believe in three years’ time the conversation will center around “Have you seen player X for Chicago? Not certain the Oilers would have selected him but man it’d be nice to have him instead of the picks we got for Seabrook at the deadline”.

    Totally agree. Every hawks fan I know is convinced it’s Sharp and Bickell on the way out, not Seabrook. To hard to replace Seabrook.Much easier to replace wingers.

  37. Richard S.S. says:

    Saturday Sports Extra Podcasts do no go beyond Oct 11th, 2014. Are they not continuing adding this years any more?

    Any reason why Peter Chiarelli can’t talk to cap-strapped teams GMs to see the might more. GMs on other teams (MLB, NBA, NFL) do it all the time?

  38. raventalon40 says:

    leadfarmer:
    raventalon40,

    Mason is not going to hit free agency.The Flyers have been searching for a goalie since Ron Hextall retired.They finally found one.He is not leaving.

    You’re probably right. I did explore this topic in yesterday’s thread and eventually came to the same conclusion.

  39. GCW_69 says:

    I agree with LT that the Oilers have to and are going to spend some of their picks on assets to address the massive holes in their roster. I hope it’s the second round picks and the 2016 first that they spend, but if they traded more picks (excluding the McDavid pick) I would not be surprised.

  40. Lowetide says:

    GCW_69: Totally agree. Every hawks fan I know is convinced it’s Sharp and Bickell on the way out, not Seabrook. To hard to replace Seabrook.Much easier to replace wingers.

    ‘Hawks have Pokka on the way, and Seabrook might be the player to trade based on erosion of skills.

  41. flyfish1168 says:

    GCW_69: Totally agree. Every hawks fan I know is convinced it’s Sharp and Bickell on the way out, not Seabrook. To hard to replace Seabrook.Much easier to replace wingers.

    I have seen that on some Hawk Blogs also. Seabrook is who they want to try and keep. i will try and find the posts

  42. Richard S.S. says:

    If the 2016, 1st round pick is traded, the team will feel foolish if eliminated from the Postseason in the last game of the season and have that pick become #1. Trading #1 pick for anything less than a Star or budding Star is counter-productive. With the possibility of this team becoming a cap-strapped team in the future, having many top-ranked talented prospects becomes an absolute necessity. Any picks #35 and under should never be traded, the future is here. Any picks 36 and over can be traded as talents are not as sure at these levels.

  43. oliveoilers says:

    GCW_69: Totally agree. Every hawks fan I know is convinced it’s Sharp and Bickell on the way out, not Seabrook. To hard to replace Seabrook.Much easier to replace wingers.

    Every Oilers fan I know was convinced it was stupidity to let Petry walk, and yet here we are.

  44. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    If Seabrook can’t play first pairing minutes does he help much?

    I’d rather have Michalek, as Klef and Nurse have offense and can skate and move the puck and it preserves cap and assets. Fayne can cover one of them as second pair and that leaves Schultz’ baby sitter.

    If he and Marincin do the work this summer they need to to save their careers, they have past chemistry might make a good third pairing that doesn’t get one arm rag-dolled anymore.

  45. Lowetide says:

    Rip Fan Winkle “OilOnslaught”:
    If Seabrook can’t play first pairing minutes does he help much?

    I’d rather have Michalek, as Klef and Nurse have offense and can skate and move the puck and it preserves cap and assets. Fayne can cover one of them as second pair and that leaves Schultz’ baby sitter.

    If he and Marincin do the work this summer they need to to save their careers, they have past chemistry might make a good third pairing that doesn’t get one arm rag-dolled anymore.

    First, we’d have to define first pairing minutes. Tough zone starts? Tough opposition. Chicago doesn’t use Seabrook in that role, that’s miles from saying he can’t do it.

  46. leadfarmer says:

    If Seabrook is available then there is going to be a lot of potential suitors that you should probably stay away. Dallas would make a pitch. Columbus will probably throw together a ridiculous package. Isles probably somewhat interested. Detroit is interested. Colorado would be interested but like Dallas would have to pay a premium. San Jose will take a peak. Florida will take a look. If you say dman trade three times philly always appears.
    Chicago isn’t going to be asking for the 16th. They are going to be asking for Nurse. I don’t think bouwmeester will be as hard to get and you get to keep him for a few years and for a lower price. Or you can Patch together a defense with Michalek and Sekera for a year. Find a goalie that isn’t going to fall apart 5 games into the season.

  47. Jon K says:

    LT,

    Did you see the tweets about McDavid following the loss to Oshawa? Seemed absolutely devastated when they lost, even when receiving the Wayne Gretzky. He apparently ditched it in a hallway after getting it, before heading into the dressing room.

    I went and pulled out the McKeen’s draft guide from last year for fun. This is what it had about McDavid:

    HT/WT 5-11/175

    McDavid joins the likes of Mario Lemieux and Sidney Crosby as the next in line of “can not miss” prospects he gave every indication why he has earned this billing in his second year in the OHL .. finished 4th in league scoring and improved his point totals by 33 but more importantly helped the Otters back into the playoffs marking a staggering 59 point improvement from the 2012-13 season .. participated in the WJC becoming just the fifth 16 year old to suit up for Team Canada .. grew 2 inches this season and put on 15 pounds to stand a respectable 5’11, 175 .. McDavid has uncanny feel for the game and is always aware of his surroundings and his team mates positioning .. operating on a completely different level than his peer group in the manner in which he can instantly generate offensive opportunities .. blazing fast attacking open holes and the net with frequency, changing gears effortlessly while handling the puck at the same time .. possesses a Datsyuk-like quality in which he can push the opposition back commanding such respect and then proceed to pick apart a defence .. McDavid has sky high potential and will be an NHL superstar.”

  48. AZOIL says:

    Lowetide: I’d suggest that Edmonton would.

    I get that none of us want to give up good picks but a kid of the top teams do that to get good players or fill out their roster no? I know Pittsburgh isn’t the greatest example but I am pretty sure detroit, Chicago, minn, LA, ANA, and others all traded good picks and prospects for complimentary pices on their team.

    Ana traded a first and some prospects for Kessler no?

  49. prairieschooner says:

    Exciting times but
    Can we stop projecting Nurse as the anything more than a controlled minutes D man
    If he is getting big minutes then despite his attributes we are still in the dumper D wise
    I hope we at least send him to Bakersfield for some seasoning

  50. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: The Edmonton Oilers can speak to Cam Talbot’s agent before trading for him? And they can agree to something that binds both sides? Darcy, that’s a contract. I can’t see that being reasonable, but if the Oilers can sign Talbot in the summer and announce it January 1?

    That’s fantastic.

    If the Rangers give their permission the Oilers can talk to Talbot and his agent.

    Same with Chicago and Seabrook.

    They can agree in principle to a future deal, but it won’t be official until January 1 for Talbot and July 1 for Seabrook.

    Since the deal would be a “handshake” deal, it would be possible for the player to balk our back out when it comes time to pen to paper.

    I seriously doubt that would happen, but it certainly is possible.

  51. Traktor says:

    Not only could a Yak for Talbot end up a worse trade than the Seguin deal but I’d put the odds at “more than likely.”

    I have to disagree that Edmonton would even consider a deal like that even if Don Cherry was the GM for a day.

    edit – apparently you meant the other Yak (and I can’t read). I swear I didn’t like you much for a minute.

  52. WeirsBeard says:

    Who did Chia trade with as GM in Boston? In addition to looking at the Bruins, what other organizations does he have a history of trading with?

    16 is too much for 1 year of Seabrook. Agreed. See LT, some of us do read the articles.

  53. VanOil says:

    David Musil + 2016 1st for Marc-Edouard Vlasic

    Justin Shultz + #16pic for Adam Larsson

    Sign Klefbom and Larsson to reasonably priced long term contracts this summer that become value contracts 2 years from now.

    As always Ference to ride the pine and the Double Agent sent to Siberia

  54. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Dominoes to fall soon.Babcock to decide next week.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=767855&navid=nhl:topheads

    McKenzie basically says McLellen in Edmonton is done deal after the World’s:

    http://www.tsn.ca/radio/edmonton-1260/mckenzie-world-championships-need-to-end-before-oilers-coaching-situation-becomes-clear-1.283952

    Gold medal game is tommorow.

    Fly back to Edmonton, arrange a presser, my guess is its announced next Wednesday/Thursday or so.

  55. Showerhead says:

    This Seabrook business is all kinds of interesting.

    As Oiler fans, we’re used to Edmonton gambling on rookies (Schultz, Marincin, Klefbom), minor leaguers (too many to count), and veterans who are past their peak and well into decline (Nikitin, Ference).

    The one gamble that made sense was Mark Fayne. Fancy stats liked him, his usage was ACTUALLY top 4 as opposed to potentially top 4 or formerly top 4. That was a very big damn deal to me. Seemed like progress.

    Seabrook reminds me of Fayne. More famous, higher peak, but essentially Seabrook is a guy who can currently play top 4 minutes and do reasonably well with that. 30 years old and presumably still capable – he may be declining but he is not over the hill by any stretch.

    If Edmonton could SIGN this player, I’d be all for it. $5M seems completely OK to pay for Seabrook and gord knows the next reliable top 4 D Edmonton signs might be the first. (Or second, because I said I liked Fayne.)

    Adding Seabrook would absolutely make Edmonton a better hockey team. I just don’t understand the need to give up valuable assets (that 16th pick? yeesh) for a guy who can only help for one year. For once, the hockey side of the deal seems great but I can’t get behind trading top picks from this draft for a stopgap or a declining / non-elite asset.

  56. gd says:

    I just saw that Michalek played for McLennan in Houston in his first three pro years. Him plus Rammo might be the best value of UFA signings. Then use picks and/or MM to get either Chara or best puck moving Dman in a trade.

  57. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    oliveoilers: Every Oilers fan I know was convinced it was stupidity to let Petry walk, and yet here we are.

    Do the oilers have Mactavish and Lowe in their management now? There is a sizeable gap in ability there.

    I sense Seabrook is available but at a high cost. These teams are in win mode, and you trade prospects and depth for cap space, not core assets.

  58. Snowman says:

    I’m of two minds here. I absolutely hate the idea of trading the #16 pick unless you are getting someone bonafide and young that fills a need in return. You need the #16 pick. I know WG is probably right about Talbot being potentially among the best. I just have a hard time parting with that pick.

    The player you get should be somewhat ready by the time Mcdavid is out of ELC and that’s when you need a cheap contract or two. I think you make the pick, you pick top 6 skill or top pairing potential d. Let them age appropriately. Bring them in when they’re bubbling up.

    The 16 pick is extremely dear. The 33rd pick is fair game.

    Having said that I’d love to turn North.

    I’m not sold on Seabrook either. That’s a lot miles already on him. I like the player but I don’t like the age or the cost. He’s a little too old and too rich. I think if Chia can find 2 top 4d even if they are just steady guys I’m fine with it. Klefbom, Fayne, New Guy, New Guy, Nurse, Schultz, MM, Ference, Nikitin. You should be able to cobble together at least a passable D with those players.

  59. Traktor says:

    I have to agree with Friedman that the Hawks could do a lot of other things before they had to move Seabrook.

    They could give Corey Crawford away for free and have the money to sign Seabrook right there.

    Would Edmonton take him for free?

    Probably.

  60. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide,

    That’s similar to Sedins getting offensive zone starts. It’s not that you are sheltering them. It’s that you have other players better suited for the defensive zone starts and they are better suited for the offensive zone starts.

    I also think that Chicago needs another top 4 dman when Oduya leaves, I doubt they want to make it 2.

  61. godot10 says:

    Hall Awaits:
    “Jim Matheson: It’s no secret the Oilers are eyeing the Chicago Blackhawks’ Brent Seabrook, 30, because he has another year on his contract at $5 million before he becomes an unrestricted free agent, and the ’Hawks are once again in a major cap squeeze for next year and beyond.”

    Stauffer asked Elliot Friedman about Seabrook and Elliot suggested the Hawks would move Bickell, Sharp or Crawford first. Bob kinda had a “Are you sure about that?” response. He was almost defiant in his belief of what Elliot said. Makes you wonder… Until it happens it’s just a rumour, but it would be a hell of an upgrade to that top pairing.

    The rest of the league have been punking MacT for the last 24 months. From Gillis (playing Lucy) waving Schneider (the football) in front of MacT’s nose, to Holmgren making MacT beg for Coburn on national TV on the draft floor.

    MacT thinks he has Seabrook the same way MacT thought he had Schneider and thought he had Coburn. Other GM’s are just playing him.

    It is a new game with Chiarelli, because he is proven and other GM’s won’t be able to play him like they play MacT.

    It is doubtful that Seabrook is available. Chiarelli will see through Bowman’s games. Bowman was probing MacT for weakness with the thought of Seabrook.

  62. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    Lowetide: First, we’d have to define first pairing minutes. Tough zone starts? Tough opposition. Chicago doesn’t use Seabrook in that role, that’s miles from saying he can’t do it.

    True maybe he can still, looking into the numbers just now it seems Michalek is injury prone and at his age that’s not good.

    It will be interesting to see what approach Pechi takes and if he can actually get something done.

  63. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: If the Rangers give their permission the Oilers can talk to Talbot and his agent.

    Same with Chicago and Seabrook.

    They can agree in principle to a future deal, but it won’t be official until January 1 for Talbot and July 1 for Seabrook.

    Since the deal would be a “handshake” deal, it would be possible for the player to balk our back out when it comes time to pen to paper.

    I seriously doubt that would happen, but it certainly is possible.

    I’m not trading No. 16, No. 33, Marincin or any of that stuff on a handshake. No sir.

  64. fifthcartel says:

    http://oilersnation.com/2015/5/16/should-the-oilers-be-interested-in-jared-spurgeon

    An awesome post about Spurgeon from Willis.

    Man, it would be great if they managed to trade for him. Sign a free agent defensemen and it could really start coming together.

    Sekera/Martin/Ehrhoff?-Spurgeon
    Klefbom-Schultz or Franson
    Marincin/Nurse-Fayne
    Ference

    Nikitin bought out.

    Talbot/Scrivens in net.

  65. gd says:

    Spurgeon is the first option I’ve heard that I would be very comfortable giving up the Pitt 1st for. He seems like he would be the perfect partner for Nurse. I think Yak would be an overpayment (and I think Granlund might be the perfect C for Yak). I’m thinking the only way Minny trades him is if they think Dumba is ready for top4 play.

  66. book¡je says:

    Sometimes I imagine a blog like LT’s run by Gene Principe where Principe disciples evaluate trades and signings, but not based upon common hockey parameters, but rather on their viability for corny jokes and puns.

    I could see that Seabrook could be seen as a good trade “See brook score” or some kind of Seabiscuit reference with Gene bringing a horse onscreen. I don’t see any love for Talbot on that site though, perhaps they could support someone like Owen Savory in net?

  67. square_wheels says:

    fifthcartel,

    Sekera and Martin please and thanks. According to most Franson is an older Schultz.

  68. frjohnk says:

    leadfarmer:
    frjohnk,

    Craig Anderson has a history of playing better the more shots he takes, Talbot doesn’t have much of a history at all.

    How does Anderson have a 58% quality start while having a 933 save percentage over 71 games and then a 71% quality start while only having a 902 save percentage.

    I goofed on the numbers. I will fix.

  69. book¡je says:

    Lowetide: I’m not trading No. 16, No. 33, Marincin or any of that stuff on a handshake. No sir.

    I think such handshake deals almost never happen with timeframes more than a few days away. Things are simply too dynamic.

  70. square_wheels says:

    gd,

    And are unable to fit him into their payroll now that Dubnyk commands 4+. Very nice player, size is no concern when hockey sense is elite.

  71. striker says:

    Is Talbot really that much better now than Scrivins when the Oilers got him from LA? I’m not saying don’t do it but I’d be surprised if the Oilers would gamble again on an unproven quantity with a limited track record.

  72. striker says:

    Spurgeon would be a great add.

    Haven’t read Matty’s column yet, how many times did he mention Stafford this time?

  73. stush18 says:

    Happy may long to everyone out there! Enjoy your day sitting in your camper while it is pouring rain!

    Ive been writing finals for the past few days, so ive been too busy to read or comment on the blogs, so bear with me, this may-get-long (get it)

    1) gmoney-awesome stuff, i wish i had the ability to hack through the numbers and draw conclusions. I reserve the right to call bullshit on any conclusions you draw, because i dont understand them.

    2) lucic- i would love to have lucic, however we would have to send either hall (which is an overpayment) yak(which is misuse of his potential right now) or pouliot(who is our lucic-lite). We have too many left handed players as it is. Bag of pucks had a good post a couple of days ago, basically that this over the hill talk is a silly narrative. Hes 26, not even close to david clarkaon range. Once our glorious end to end rush is broken up by weber and josi, and we have to send it past, whos going to win that battle? Adding mcdavid has to bring our size ratio even further down. As BOP said, teams do not respect our physicality.

    3) picks- i dont like the idea of trading any draft picks from this draft. The only thing i trade is down to grab even more picks. This is a verrrry deep draft. Our prospect list is really not as large as people think. We have three very high end prospects, but after that, its very comparable to any other team in the league, with no dmen looking to hold promise as anything other than a bottom 6 guy. Spend this draft on c’s and d’s, and use them to supplement the team in 3 years when mcdavid gets his payday.

    4)seabrook-i would love this player on this team. But the cost is too much, and even if we can sign him, I guarantee he is looking for around 7mill a year. If you were going to trade for him, i would send picks from next years draft (excluding our first). I think marincin and next years 2nd would be attractive.

    5) next years lineup- I would bet on a better year from nikitin, even when you consider his numbers were not that bad. His problem is his cap, and i think he plays well enough next year to gain interest from another team. If i could get rid of anyone, it would be ference. Apparently teams had interest in him last year at the deadline. Im not sure if he still brings any leadership, but you have to think at the very least he is a good person for mcdavid to be around. Ask him at next years dealine if he would be willing to take a shot with a contender, because he will be bought out the following summer. Just my opinion.

    I think we have to assume some natural progression from our d-prospects next year, presumably klef, marincin, nurse, and maybe even schultz. Im with LT, i dont think nurse makes it past november in the ahl. The only thing blocking him is the “veteran” contracts ahead of him. If you look at our player types, we have no dmen that can move the puck, other than klef. You could argue schuktz and nikitin, but they are not elite.

    I sign mike green this summer. Hes from alberta, right handed shot, and has elite puck
    Moving skills. http://www.japersrink.com/2015/1/26/7876891/mike-green-and-playing-with-the-lead is an article about mike green, and is excellently done. Basically, if im reading right, it points out that mike green plays more when trailing (obviously), but spends more time defending than playing tied. Also, once washington gets the lead, they go into a defensive shell, killing their corsi. Mike green also played with a low TOI, and secondary powerplay min. According to the article, trotz plays 5 dmen most of the time, rotating green in as the 5th dman.

    I think, like lucic, greens decline has been overstated. Unlike seabrook, all he costs is money to obtain, and will likely cost less than seabrook.

    We sign mike green this summer, and pick up downie/stewart/ward to play shotgun with mcdavid.

    Head into the season looking like

    Poo-nuge-ebs
    Hall-mcd-downie
    Purcell-yak-lander
    Klink-gord-hend

    Klef-green
    Nikitin-fayne
    Marincin-shultz
    Ference.

    Then drop purcell, nikitin,scrivs,and hopefully ference. I would resign gordon but thats personal preference. We will have an clearer opinion on schultz,yak,marincin, and can bring up brossoit,drai and nurse. Head into 2016 with cap space and a lineup of

    Hall-mcdavid-downie
    Poo-nuge-ebs
    Drai-lander-pak/sleppy
    Klink-gord-hendricks

    Klef-green
    Marincin-fayne
    Nurse-schultz

    Nuevirth
    Brossoit

  74. square_wheels says:

    When it comes to signing or trading for dmen, I am starting to shy away from the 30yr old’s. I think the smart money would be on trading assets and draft picks for the 25-30 yr old players that are either on a RFA years contract and possibly have a year of 2 of UFA. If those aren’t available, sign the UFA ‘s that could be on their last deal, 32-33+ that would settle on a 2 yr deal at reasonable $$. The issue with the Mike Green age player types is they are already in decline, are too old to develop new styles/habits and almost always command 4-6 yr deals. Unless the player is historically injury free, has a game that’s more positional then bang and hack or has a rep as a conditioning demon, then you avoid them.

    Seabrook is gonna cash in his UFA and some is gonna be stuck with a player that’s gonna decline in the 33+ years. Stay the hell away.

  75. stush18 says:

    square_wheels:
    When it comes to signing or trading for dmen, I am starting to shy away from the 30yr old’s. I think the smart money would be on trading assets and draft picks for the 25-30 yr old players that are either on a RFA years contract and possibly have a year of 2 of UFA. If those aren’t available, sign the UFA ‘s that could be on their last deal, 32-33+ that would settle on a 2 yr deal at reasonable $$. The issue with the Mike Green age player types is they are already in decline, are too old to develop new styles/habits and almost always command 4-6 yr deals. Unless the player is historically injury free, has a game that’s more positional then bang and hack or has a rep as a conditioning demon, then you avoid them.

    Seabrook is gonna cash in his UFA and some is gonna be stuck with a player that’s gonna decline in the 33+ years. Stay the hell away.

    Mike green is not in decline. He was washingtons best possesion player this season, especially after new years when trotz’s system began to click better.

    Also, greens game does not depend on hitting. He plays smart positionally, and moves the puck quickly tape to tape.
    Read this.
    http://www.japersrink.com/2015/1/26/7876891/mike-green-and-playing-with-the-lead

  76. square_wheels says:

    stush18,

    Someone is going to offer Green too much for too long. He’s a solid puck mover and his defence isn’t as poor as it was 3 yrs ago, but his deal will be a cap breaker just like Ference but add 2M.

    If Minn considers moving Spurgeon we must consider something, Yak included better come with a prospect or a draft pick returned but I’d be all over it.

    Top 3 D are rarely available.

  77. square_wheels says:

    stush18,

    I’ve always been ok with Green but the last few years of his next deal is a stick of dynamite, we’d better be confident his play can be sustained by conditioning and adaptability.

    I’d sign him, but the deal has to be cap friendly and teams like Philly usually barf all over these players.

    He’s a finesse player and a great skater, he fits, but the cost will be dear.

  78. Ray says:

    If Bowman is trading Seabrook what does he want back?

    I think Fayne would be on his radar as a cheaper replacement.

    Fayne, Marincin, the Montreal 2nd, and a conditional 2nd in 2016 that ups to a 1st if Seabrook signs with Edmonton.

    Then I trade Jultz and a lower pick to hopefully recover a 2nd.

    Sign Mike Green

    Trade Ference with a pick for a lower pick, possibly hold back $1million.

    Sign Matt Irwin from San Jose

    Sign Adam Mcquaid

    Run the following defense;

    Klefbom-Seabrook
    Irwin-Green
    Nikitin-Mcquaid
    Davidson

    Bring in Nurse when he’s ready.

  79. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Trading away those picks is not smart unless the return is in the 24-27 age range and is a difference maker for 5 years. We aren’t winning the cup next year. The goal should be stop gaps to our upcoming talent. We have something we haven’t had in decades, players will want to come here. Sign Niemi, Neuwirth or Enroth for a year. Let Talbot in NYR and Broissoit play another year and see where they are at. Sekera is my target on defence. Ride out Nikitins and Ferences contracts as your 7/8 Dmen. who knows what a stronger partner and solid coaching will be able to get out of them. Niki may be tradeable by the deadline. Don’t mortgage the future for McDavids first year. Move Shultz to the Leafs for Paneuf less 1.5 mi per year make him your power play quarterback with second pairing Comp with Fayne or Nurse.

    Sekera Klefbom
    Phaneuf Nurse
    Fayne Marincin
    Nikitin Ference

    Neuvirth
    Scrivens

    Much better UFA crop next year and Broissoit may be your backup or better.

    P.S I go after Dubnyk so long as the numbers are less than 5 mil per x 5 years as he can be a above average option for the next 5 years. He’s a family man apparently and MacT is no longer in charge and Eakins is gone. There is a chance even if small, lottery small 🙂

  80. speeds says:

    If they had the same acquisition cost, who would you prefer, Spurgeon or Seabrook?

  81. Ray says:

    speeds,

    Seabrook for me.

  82. gd says:

    speeds,

    If the acquisition cost includes them signing the same long term contract then Seabrook is the better player. I think, though, Seabrook’s Boychuk like contract will be part of the overpay, while I think Spurgeon could be resigned for $4Mill for 5 years and we are not paying for too much of post-prime years.

  83. square_wheels says:

    speeds,

    Spurgeon. I don’t see Seabrook above a 3D (those ZS are clearl) and his speed is going to be an issue in the next few years.

  84. Saul Goodman says:

    Does Arizona own Viktor Tikohonovs rights? Size & sound defensive. Killing penalties for Russia.
    A player that can round up the bottom six.

  85. square_wheels says:

    Matt Irwin is going to make a GM look brilliant if someone signs him for 4×3.x. The painful years are behind him, hopefully Chia can entice him with some McDavid signed jersey’s or an Earls gift card.

    This is the kind of players we should bet on.

  86. Ray says:

    square_wheels:
    Matt Irwin is going to make a GM look brilliant if someone signs him for 4×3.x. The painful years are behind him, hopefully Chia can entice him with some McDavid signed jersey’s or an Earls gift card.

    This is the kind of players we should bet on.

    You think he gets 3+ AAV? I’m thinking 2.5-2.75 over 3 or 4 years would be right. Especially if he really liked playing for TMac

  87. stush18 says:

    square_wheels:
    stush18,

    Someone is going to offer Green too much for too long. He’s a solid puck mover and his defence isn’t as poor as it was 3 yrs ago, but his deal will be a cap breaker just like Ference but add 2M.

    If Minn considers moving Spurgeon we must consider something, Yak included better come with a prospect or a draft pick returned but I’d be all over it.

    Top 3 D are rarely available.

    I think we would be able to sign him to a 5/6×6 mil. Seabrook will likely cost closer to seven.
    Edit* i dont see how he will be a cap breaker. We need to acquire one top 4 dman this summer, and then another next summer.i would rather spend the money on a puck moving dman. Especially one with a right handed shot.

  88. square_wheels says:

    square_wheels:
    Matt Irwin is going to make a GM look brilliant if someone signs him for 4×3.x. The painful years are behind him, hopefully Chia can entice him with some McDavid signed jersey’s or an Earls gift card.

    This is the kind of players we should bet on.

    Maybe my rates for him are a little high, maybe in the low 2’s he would be fine.

  89. square_wheels says:

    Ray,

    Ya I’m smoking something these days. Work stress is awful, dark times in Heavy Oil.

  90. square_wheels says:

    stush18,

    Seabrook should open mouth kiss his agent as soon as that deal is signed.

  91. Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker) says:

    There are some nice things in the third round, but I don’t want to give up the higher picks. Idk that Seabrook is better than Sekera, or that Talbot is better than Neuvirth. At the very least, I don’t think they are so much better that you would rather give up assets to get them. Chicago won’t give away Seabrook, I imagine they have other options they want to explore first. He likely costs you the first, and yakupov. No pressure on slats to trade Talbot. He can ride his cheap contract, whilst still knowing the King is the de facto number 1. Not to mention we know he is comfortable having a 1A and 1B. He probably costs the first, or the 33 and yakupov.

    IMO we just need more bridge guys on D. The same plan as with Nikitin, but with good players. We could target any number of guys available this season. I also beg Petry to come back, as he actually fits the core pretty well. If we draft 16 we will get a quality D, who is probably on the Klef timeline (2 years before the bigs). Theres also some decent D around 33. Kylington or Roy could drop, or there is Dermott. If we bridge with 2 UFA, I think we can ice a solid roster. I’d look at flipping one of FSN, at least 2 could probably fetch something.

    Overpaying on a goaltender, even one who looks as good as Talbot is silly. Talbot will get paid next summer regardless of his team. He won’t stay in New York, and if we really want him, we can wait a year. Neuvirth and Niemi are probably good enough as a tandem. I guess hold on to Scrivens if you have to, but best case scenario he hits the minors (even if it costs).

    Also LT, what is the story on Gabriel Gagne? http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=162819 Almost a PPG, with 35 goals. Absolute behemoth, who can skate, has a powerful base, and is decent defensively. Only knock I’ve seen on him is offensive vision. He will absolutely fill out. I can’t believe he is slated for the 3rd round. Could you imagine him and Yakimov on the same line? Have you talked to any scouts about him?

  92. stush18 says:

    square_wheels:
    stush18,

    Seabrook should open mouth kiss his agent as soon as that deal is signed.

    I dont wanna know what boychuk did to his agent then.

  93. Ray says:

    square_wheels:
    Ray,

    Ya I’m smoking something these days. Work stress is awful, dark times in Heavy Oil.

    Haha, no worries, I just don’t see him proven enough for a full ticket as a top 4 dman, he’s kinda in the range of Petry when he got a 2×1.75 contract… sigh

  94. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: I’d suggest that Edmonton would.

    Then why add the draft pick . Both of those trades make no long term sense . If anything Boston may want rid of Charas contract because of money and his age. If your going after a D from Boston for me it would be Schultz and 33 for Chara and keeping Marincin to play with him . When Chara is gone MM should have the experience he needs . As for 16 you don’t use that high a pick on a goalie. There are other options that aren’t gambles on one year and gone . Either 16 or 33 must be used .

  95. stush18 says:

    Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker):
    There are some nice things in the third round, but I don’t want to give up the higher picks. Idk that Seabrook is better than Sekera, or that Talbot is better than Neuvirth. At the very least, I don’t think they are so much better that you would rather give up assets to get them. Chicago won’t give away Seabrook, I imagine they have other options they want to explore first. He likely costs you the first, and yakupov. No pressure on slats to trade Talbot. He can ride his cheap contract, whilst still knowing the King is the de facto number 1. Not to mention we know he is comfortable having a 1A and 1B. He probably costs the first, or the 33 and yakupov.

    IMO we just need more bridge guys on D. The same plan as with Nikitin, but with good players. We could target any number of guys available this season. I also beg Petry to come back, as he actually fits the core pretty well. If we draft 16 we will get a quality D, who is probably on the Klef timeline (2 years before the bigs). Theres also some decent D around 33. Kylington or Roy could drop, or there is Dermott. If we bridge with 2 UFA, I think we can ice a solid roster. I’d look at flipping one of FSN, at least 2 could probably fetch something.

    Overpaying on a goaltender, even one who looks as good as Talbot is silly. Talbot will get paid next summer regardless of his team. He won’t stay in New York, and if we really want him, we can wait a year. Neuvirth and Niemi are probably good enough as a tandem. I guess hold on to Scrivens if you have to, but best case scenario he hits the minors (even if it costs).

    Also LT, what is the story on Gabriel Gagne? http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=162819 Almost a PPG, with 35 goals. Absolute behemoth, who can skate, has a powerful base, and is decent defensively. Only knock I’ve seen on him is offensive vision. He will absolutely fill out. I can’t believe he is slated for the 3rd round. Could you imagine him and Yakimov on the same line? Have you talked to any scouts about him?

    Just spitballing, but skating issues? Im also assuming scouts are knocking hjm because hes so big, its easy to score goals against the smaller junior players.

    Id take a flyer on him. But i can see why hes ranked in the third round

  96. Yak2 says:

    LT,

    Don’t know why you’d want to trade that package for Talbot since we can get Niemi for just $. And with McLellan coming on, there’s a definite possibility he considers us. And there’s NO WAY in HELL we’re giving up Yakimov.

    I think we make all 10 selections and give up future’s (draft picks and other prosepcts like Gernat and Musil).

  97. gr8one says:

    Just say NO to Seabrook!!!!

    He’s not good enough and about to be on the wrong side of 30 to give up the assets it will take to get him.

    My gawd…this is the first time in eons that we should be able to attract good UFA’s without overpaying…utilize that!

  98. raventalon40 says:

    Anyone versed enough on the math side of things can tell me what the buyout cost for Andrew Ference would be? If it’s not economical to buy him out just play him for two more years.

  99. Ray says:

    gr8one:
    Just say NO to Seabrook!!!!

    He’s not good enough and about to be on the wrong side of 30 to give up the assets it will take to get him.

    My gawd…this is the first time in eons that we should be able to attract good UFA’s without overpaying…utilize that!

    Just Say yes to Seabrook!!! 🙂
    He still has four or five years left as an elite dman. He’s not a true number one, but he belongs on the top pair of almost every team in the league.

    You have to build your team multiple ways, you can’t just rely on UFA’s. Possibly you use assets that have value but maybe do fit quite right with your vision of the team, which frees up opportunity for internal growth to replace the traded assets.

    I say yes!!!!

  100. square_wheels says:

    Ray,

    Exactly the player that came to my mind. But he’s like a nice Voldemort, still can’t say his name without feeling rage.

  101. Rondo says:

    What about Dan Hamhuis I know he is a lefty.

  102. spoiler says:

    Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker): Also LT, what is the story on Gabriel Gagne? http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=162819 Almost a PPG, with 35 goals. Absolute behemoth, who can skate, has a powerful base, and is decent defensively. Only knock I’ve seen on him is offensive vision. He will absolutely fill out. I can’t believe he is slated for the 3rd round. Could you imagine him and Yakimov on the same line? Have you talked to any scouts about him?

    How about Sammy Blais? …23 more points than Gagne in 6 less games, only born 5 months earlier and drafted in the 6th round last year by St. Loo. Now that’s a draft steal.

  103. Ray says:

    Rondo:
    What about Dan Hamhuis I know he is a lefty.

    He’d be a great pickup too. Likely wouldn’t cost as much to resign. There’s room for a lefty too, there’s always room for good players.

    He might be a better fit capwise than some UFA options. It depends on the acquisition cost. I don’t know if i’d give the 16th pick for him. I’m sure Vancouver would consider that a starting point in a package similar to what Couburn cost Tampa.

  104. gr8one says:

    Ray: Just Say yes to Seabrook!!!
    He still has four or five years left as an elite dman. He’s not a true number one, but he belongs on the top pair of almost every team in the league.

    You have to build your team multiple ways, you can’t just rely on UFA’s. Possibly you use assets that have value but maybe do fit quite right with your vision of the team, which frees up opportunity for internal growth to replace the traded assets.

    I say yes!!!!

    See, I don’t think Seabrook is an elite Dman…I agree with everything else you say, I just don’t believe Seabrook is that much better than UFA options out there.

    I think if you paired Sekera/Green/Franson/Ehrhoff with Duncan Keith and gave them the same opportunities they’d be just as effective as SEabrook is thus I don’t see the point in giving up assets to acquire a player of that calibre.

    I think Seabrook is a good D man, but definitely not elite….if he were I’d be all for getting him. Or if it was something like our 2nd rounder and Gernat than sure, if it’s Marincin, Yakupov or the first rounder(as some others have suggested) are involved than hell no.

  105. Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker) says:

    spoiler,

    Point is kind of moot, but yeah an absolute steal.

  106. Wonder Llama says:

    Hi LT. I agree the Oilers should be careful how they spend their draft picks this year and I’d suggest that only a long-term first-pairing RHD is worth it (insert standard Petry rant here). There’s a trade scenario I can’t get out of my head and I was wondering what you or other posters smarter than me think of it. I believe the Oilers should target Kevin Shattenkirk. He is highly valued by the Blues and they won’t want to give him up. But they do have Pietrangelo and Bouwmeester locked up in nice long-term contracts and thus are secure at the top on D. What GM Doug Armstrong does not have is draft picks. In this lovely deep draft the Blues have just one lonely second-round pick in the first three rounds. Ideally the Oilers send a package of picks and one defenseman back to the Blues for Shattenkirk. They’ll want Klefbom or Marincin, the Oilers will want to send one of NSF. So what would be fair? What might Armstrong go for? I’m thinking the Oilers picks at 16, 33, and 79 + Ference as a starting point. Blues get a nice haul from the draft, a savings of $1.0 million in cap space, and a third-pairing defenseman to provide some cover should they lose or let Jackman go. Shattenkirk is 26, a right shot, and under contract for two years at $4.25 million. He’s UFA after that, but it gives Chiarelli time to negotiate a new contract. Is Shattenkirk capable of playing 1RHD for the Oilers for the next five years? If this deal works (assuming Ference is okay waiving his NMC for St. Louis) the Oilers could buyout Nikitin and have (barely) enough money for a UFA LHD and goalie. The D for 15-16 could be something like:

    Sekera – Shattenkirk
    Klefbom – Fayne
    Marincin – Schultz

    Oh, and just for the sake of fun/irony, get them to toss in MPS as well.

  107. knighttown says:

    Context people!

    LT posts a Zone start of 54% and by the end of the thread Quenneville is giving him the push?? He plays for the Blackhawks where the true push is guys like Rundblad and Brad Richards at nearly 70% ZS. He’s actually 3rd in ZS and qual comp presumably because he and Keith can produce offense.

    Hjarmlasson and Oduya did face tougher minutes and produced 19 points compared to Keith and Seabrook at 76.

    It’s like comparing Boyd Gordon to Nuge. They have different jobs and both do it well.

    Seabrook is big and in his prime years. He can be played in all situations and produces offense. And he shoots right.

    He may not be otherworldly like a doughty but he’s an excellent top 3 defenseman.

  108. Chris says:

    I think we have all identified the holes in the team. Chiarelli did at his press conference as well. We need a goal tender and a couple defensemen. The question is really how can we fill those holes while reducing the effectiveness of the team the least elsewhere? Seabrook would obviously help, but would he help more than Sekera/Martin plus whatever the pick renders.

  109. knighttown says:

    I’ll ask you guys again to look at Mattias Ekholm. Boy what a player and contract that is. With Weber, Josi and Ellis Ekholm might be a possibility.

  110. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I’m not trading No. 16, No. 33, Marincin or any of that stuff on a handshake. No sir.

    I think a lot of NHL business gets done a lot on handshakes and everyone pays their bills.

    Its a small, insular world and reputation means everything.

  111. Oilanderp says:

    We finish bottom 5 again and people are talking about giving away the future for rental players? Hilarious.

    I have no problem trading youth and picks to improve the team, but it had better not be for the short term.

    Let’s give Thomas Vanek or Danny Heatley a call. Maybe they’ve changed their mind!

    edit: Give McJesus a year and then see how the UFAs come knockin’.

  112. godot10 says:

    The problem with Spurgeon is that the Oilers don’t have Marco Scandella to play him with. When you are playing a small D, you have to have the big mobile defensive cycle breaker to play him with. The Oilers don’t have that guy.

    Marco Scandella would actually be a better fit for the Oilers. i.e. You want Klefbom and Nurse partnered with a more defensive guy, so they can utilize all their skills, rather than forcing them into being the defensive conscience and physical presence of the pairing by forcing them to compensate for Spurgeon’s deficiencies. (Ditto: for Klefbom or Nurse with Schultz…you are handicapping your better asset).

    Nurse can’t be Larry Robinson if the Oilers don’t pair him with a “Serge Savard” type.

    It make sense for Serge Savard to sacrifice his offense for Robinson and Lapointe. It makes no sense for Klefbom and Nurse to sacrifice their offense for Spurgeon and Schultz. One is limiting the upside potential of the team building the roster that way.

    Spurgeon and Schultz, either or both on the roster, put restraints on the full potential of Klefbom and Nurse.

    i.e. Leave the Spurgeon, take the cannoli. i.e Scandella. A right shot Scandella would actually be better.

  113. Oilanderp says:

    Wonder Llama,

    MPS stands for PiSani: Magnum.

  114. godot10 says:

    Is Sekera going to be healthy by July 1? By October 1? Anybody know?

  115. raventalon40 says:

    Lowetide: I’m not trading No. 16, No. 33, Marincin or any of that stuff on a handshake. No sir.

    I don’t think it would really matter if you’re still getting what you want in the end. The only time I can imagine getting miffed is free agency, a la Michael Nylander.

  116. godot10 says:

    Patrick Sharp has been fully re-establishing his value in the playoffs, after a lacklustre season. It should be a piece-of-cake for Bowman to find a taker for him now.

    Bickell and Brian Burke seem destined for each other. Bickell-Monahan-Gaudreau, a heavy winger to sub for Hudler there in tough matchup situations.

    If Bowman was talking Seabrook to MacT, he was leading the donkey to water, and then at the final minute demand a toll of Klefbom to drink from the (sea)brook.

  117. gd says:

    godot10,

    I think Scandella is a great comparable for Nurse in two years. I think the perfect guy for Nurse for the next two years would be a 30 yr old Dan Boyle. I think Spurgeon might be a reasonable and affordable facsimile of that. Larry Robinson didn’t become “Larry Robinson” until he was 24. Klefbom might be our Serge Savard then.

  118. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk:
    Woodguy,

    Same parameters as I did with Bernier and Neuvirth using shot locations that Edmonton gave up this past year from the low,med and high danger locations.

    Craig Anderson
    10-11___0.906 Games Started 49, Quality Starts 59%
    11-12___0.911 Games Started 60, Quality Starts 57%
    12-13___0.933 Games Started 71, Quality Starts 71%
    13-14___0.902 Games Started 24, Quality Starts 50%
    14-15___0.912 Games Started 35, Quality Starts 57%
    Avg____0.913 Games Started 331, Quality Starts 58%

    Cam Talbot
    13-14__0.934 Games Started 19, Quality Starts 84%
    14-15__0.923 Games Started 34, Quality Starts 50%
    Avg___0.928 Games Started 53, Quality Starts 62%

    Awesome stuff Padre.

    Thank you very much.

  119. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk:
    Woodguy,

    Same parameters as I did with Bernier and Neuvirth using shot locations that Edmonton gave up this past year from the low,med and high danger locations.

    Craig Anderson
    10-11___0.906 Games Started 49, Quality Starts 59%
    11-12___0.911 Games Started 60, Quality Starts 57%
    12-13___0.933 Games Started 71, Quality Starts 71%
    13-14___0.902 Games Started 24, Quality Starts 50%
    14-15___0.912 Games Started 35, Quality Starts 57%
    Avg____0.913 Games Started 331, Quality Starts 58%

    Cam Talbot
    13-14__0.934 Games Started 19, Quality Starts 84%
    14-15__0.923 Games Started 34, Quality Starts 50%
    Avg___0.928 Games Started 53, Quality Starts 62%

    How do you feel about doing Ramo (2 years), Enroth (5 years), Dubnyk (this past year)?

    I now like Enroth more than Neuvirth and Bernier btw…..

  120. gogliano says:

    Hall & Eberle are having a pretty nice go at it with McLellan. 12 points a piece, in a four way tie for second in the tournament.

  121. G Money says:

    gogliano,

    Imagine how they’d be doing if the Oilers hadn’t ruined them!

  122. G Money says:

    P.S. I assume Simmonds is first?

  123. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: ‘Hawks have Pokka on the way, and Seabrook might be the player to trade based on erosion of skills.

    If Seabrook wants something like 6MM x5/6 Bowman is smart enough not to pay it due to declining years tax, and EDM is desperate enough to pay it and give a pile of value (Marincin + 16th) for it.

    More likey than we think.

  124. Woodguy says:

    godot10:
    The problem with Spurgeon is that the Oilers don’t have Marco Scandella to play him with.When you are playing a small D, you have to have the big mobile defensive cycle breaker to play him with.The Oilers don’t have that guy.

    Marco Scandella would actually be a better fit for the Oilers.i.e. You want Klefbom and Nurse partnered with a more defensive guy, so they can utilize all their skills, rather than forcing them into being the defensive conscienceand physical presence of the pairing by forcing them to compensate for Spurgeon’s deficiencies.(Ditto: for Klefbom or Nurse with Schultz…you are handicapping your better asset).

    Nurse can’t be Larry Robinson if the Oilers don’t pair him with a “Serge Savard” type.

    It make sense for Serge Savard to sacrifice his offense for Robinson and Lapointe. It makes no sense for Klefbom and Nurse to sacrifice their offense for Spurgeon and Schultz.One is limiting the upside potential of the team building the roster that way.

    Spurgeon and Schultz, either or both on the roster, put restraints on the full potential of Klefbom and Nurse.

    i.e. Leave the Spurgeon, take the cannoli. i.eScandella.A right shot Scandella would actually be better.

    Klefbom (he’s so dreamy) is a large cycle breaker with mobility.

    Young though.

  125. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy: If Seabrook wants something like 6MM x5/6 Bowman is smart enough not to pay it due to declining years tax, and EDM is desperate enough to pay it and give a pile of value (Marincin + 16th) for it.

    More likey than we think.

    I have a feeling Marincin would replace Oduya and form another elite shutdown pairing with Hjalmarsson and then we’ll be talking about how Marincin would be a great fit.

    I liked Marincin more than Klefbom before this season. Give him a decent partner ala Petry and he’ll be very effective IMO. Good Gord, if Edmonton signed Sekera it’d essentially be the same D core as last year. One step forward, one step back with that Petry deal.

  126. square_wheels says:

    Woodguy,
    In another full season Klef is that much further along though, we aren’t in need of him at 1D for 2 more years. 5 yrs of a Spurgeon/Green is far better value then Seabrook due to what he’ll command in UFa. Seabrook’s offence isn’t that great, and if he’s commanding 7M he needs to put up 25min/night until 35.

    He’s not the correct add.

    Hjallmerson is the correct add.

  127. Dashingsilverfox says:

    knighttown:
    I’ll ask you guys again to look at Mattias Ekholm. Boy what a player and contract that is. With Weber, Josi and Ellis Ekholm might be a possibility.

    Nashville is almost $30M UNDER the cap and has no motivation to move Ekholm unless they can get a player with significant scoring ability coming back.

    You mentioned Weber, Josi, Ekholm and Ellis but didn’t mention Seth Jones.

    I can’t imagine Nashville moves any of them unless they get an established 25-30 goal scorer in return.

  128. Woodguy says:

    square_wheels:
    Woodguy,
    In another full season Klef isthat much further along though, we aren’t in need of him at 1D for 2 more years. 5 yrs ofa Spurgeon/Green is far better value then Seabrook due to what he’ll command in UFa. Seabrook’s offence isn’t that great, and if he’s commanding 7M he needs to put up 25min/night until 35.

    He’s not the correct add.

    Hjallmerson is the correct add.

    I agree that Seabrook is more famous than good, but he’s a better Dman than is on the Oiler roster.

    I like him a lot, but there is also concussion issues.

    I don’t think he’s worht 30MM over 5 years, but the Oiler may pay it and it won’t be a terrible deal.

  129. square_wheels says:

    Woodguy,

    Very true, I’d rather be married to his 6M than Lucic’s,even with 4 yrs age diff.

    What’s the thought on Nashville moving someone from that core, they need everything in the top 6 beyond the young Swede. They are spinning their wheels with that goalie and D.

    Our 16th and a young player has to get them motivated. Add Shea’s contract and their internal cap and we should be a dance partner.

  130. square_wheels says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    It would hurt like hell but Ebs for Jones works. If we knew what Yak was actually going to become and had some RW depth I’d pull the trigger.

  131. leadfarmer says:

    square_wheels,

    You don’t get Hjalmarsson. He is not available. If Seabrook is only looking for less than 6 million a year he is not going to be available either. And despite what many on here think these guys do like to get paid past age 35.

  132. square_wheels says:

    leadfarmer,

    Just dreaming! Man that contract is a steal, he’s going to get paid when it ends. Chi has options once Oduya walks and Burke “steals” Bickell for his gritensity.

  133. grim.oil says:

    I’m a huge fan of Seabrook. He has everything and more Edmonton needs in a player. He hits. He has a deadly shot from the point. He has deep playoff experience. He knows what to say to get slumping Toews back on his game. He has numerous game winning goals. Clutch. He could strike fear in to the opposition. He is about to win his 3rd cup in 6 years. He would be able to be everything and more than what the most optimistic Oiler fans wanted Ference to be. Would absolutely love seeing him in a Oil sweater.

    That being said I highly doubt Chicago would move him for cap space over several other players they have. I would move both Crawford and Sharp before him myself. I also don’t like the idea of trading Marincin. He is currently 2nd best to Klefbom. The year before I would of said 2nd best to Petry.

  134. SwedishPoster says:

    Woodguy,

    I’d stay away from Enroth. Limited upside, bad rebound control, breaks down in key games, numbers this year feels somewhat artificial behind a Buffalo team that never left their own zone thus allowing a ton of shots with the whole D in position. Not a winning strategy but great way to pump up Sv%. Even Lindbäck had good numbers in Buffalo after being a complete mess for two seasons. I’m not sure Enroth is better than Bachman.

  135. square_wheels says:

    godot10,

    Interesting article from the Kings nation site :http://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/2015/5/5/8552333/2015-season-review-andrej-sekera

    Best part of the story is how the writer thinks somehow they can offload Richards….talk about cap hell and Lombardi is the poster boy.
    I’ve been searching for injury updates for weeks on Sekera, suspect we would need a Slovak translator to find something. It was a knee but never heard if it was ACL.

  136. raventalon40 says:

    leadfarmer:
    square_wheels,

    You don’t get Hjalmarsson.He is not available.If Seabrook is only looking for less than 6 million a year he is not going to be available either.And despite what many on here think these guys do like to get paid past age 35.

    Especially at his value contract

  137. hunter1909 says:

    gogliano:
    Hall & Eberle are having a pretty nice go at it with McLellan.12 points a piece, in a four way tie for second in the tournament.

    Yeah. Too bad they don’t just trade them in a hurry.

  138. Pouzar says:

    G Money:
    P.S. I assume Simmonds is first?

    *giggles*

  139. Pouzar says:

    knighttown:
    Context people!

    LT posts a Zone start of 54% and by the end of the thread Quenneville is giving him the push?? He plays for the Blackhawks where the true push is guys like Rundblad and Brad Richards at nearly 70% ZS. He’s actually 3rd in ZS and qual comp presumably because he and Keith can produce offense.

    Hjarmlasson and Oduya did face tougher minutes and produced 19 points compared to Keith and Seabrook at 76.

    It’s like comparing Boyd Gordon to Nuge. They have different jobs and both do it well.

    Seabrook is big and in his prime years. He can be played in all situations and produces offense. And he shoots right.

    He may not be otherworldly like a doughty but he’s an excellent top 3 defenseman.

    This is an excellent post and I’ve never thought of it in this context.
    Thank you.

  140. Woodguy says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Woodguy,

    I’d stay away from Enroth. Limited upside, bad rebound control, breaks down in key games, numbers this year feels somewhat artificial behind a Buffalo team that never left their own zone thus allowing a ton of shots with the whole D in position. Not a winning strategy but great way to pump up Sv%. Even Lindbäck had good numbers in Buffalo after being a complete mess for two seasons. I’m not sure Enroth is better than Bachman.

    Its not this year that makes me like Enroth, but previous years.

    I will post on it.

  141. Woodguy says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Woodguy,

    I’d stay away from Enroth. Limited upside, bad rebound control, breaks down in key games, numbers this year feels somewhat artificial behind a Buffalo team that never left their own zone thus allowing a ton of shots with the whole D in position. Not a winning strategy but great way to pump up Sv%. Even Lindbäck had good numbers in Buffalo after being a complete mess for two seasons. I’m not sure Enroth is better than Bachman.

    It was actually the 3 years previous to 14/15 that made me take a shine to him.

  142. Really? says:

    Snowman,

    Strongly agree with the position you have taken. Keep the #16 pick and draft the best D prospect possible. This could and perhaps should include trading the #16 pick and the #33 pick for the 6-8 pick in this draft. If that yielded a prospect such as Werenski, Provorov or Hanifan that would be bloody marvelous.

  143. Really? says:

    I cannot comprehend why so many posters are in love with Seabrook. Granted he is a decent 3-4 D Man and substantially better than anyone we currently have but he will cost too much for what you will get in return. Keith is the key D Man for the Hawks not Seabrook.

    Everyone is talking about the Oilers needing a stud #1 or #2 D Man. Newsflash Seabrook ain’t it.

    Take a deep breath and start thinking this through.

    Would the Oilers not be better off using their #16 and # 33 or #57 picks to move up in this years draft to obtain a player like Provorov or Werenski, maybe even Hanifin. These are top calibre prospects and could be playing in the NHL sooner than we think.

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