SWEET 16

The Edmonton Oilers currently own the No. 16 overall selection in the 2015 draft. They’ve had No. 16 only one time previously, choosing Nick Stadjuhar in 1993. This year’s draft boasts at least 20 very good talents and it’s not a stretch to suggest an outstanding 10-year player will be available to Edmonton. The question is: Do they trade it?

  • Dean Lombardi, Kings GM: “Sometimes you can’t even get a price. Sometimes you zero in on a guy, and particularly on draft day, picks have more value. At the trade deadline, we throw them around like nickels. Then on draft day, it’s almost like we hold them like gold. The other thing that happens is, you have scouts out there the whole year, and this is kind of like their day, so maybe you’re hesitant not to give them a guy they’ve zeroed in on. Only from about four picks ahead of him were people even considering it. Then, right before the pick, they go, `Ah, we’re taking it.’ Then you just keep working back.”

I think holding them like gold, in this year’s scenario, is about right. If we assume that Lawson Crouse is taken in the top 10, it’s reasonable to assume the players underlined (and after) will be in play at No. 16 overall.

LOWETIDE TOP 30, 2015

  1. (1) C Connor McDavid, Erie Otters (OHL) More gears than an Italian race car.
  2. (2) C Jack Eichel, Boston U (NCAA) Big, strong, elite. Complete skill set.
  3. (3) R Mitch Marner, London Knights (OHL) Corey Pronman has him No. 3 on his final list.
  4. (4) D Noah Hanifin, Boston College (NCAA) Best D in a deep class. Across the board skills.
  5. (5) C Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (OHL) Poor performance in May shouldn’t impact draft number.
  6. (6) D Ivan Provorov, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) Quality offensive player, good defender.
  7. (7) C Mathew Barzal, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) Solidified ranking with quality U18’s. Fantastic skater.
  8. (8) R Mikko Rantanen, TPS Turku (SML) Has a wide range of skills, good size.
  9. (9) D Zach Werenski, Michigan (NCAA) Terrific offensive defender. Good size.
  10. (10) R Timo Meier, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL) Tremendous talent, NHL-ready?
  11. (12) L Evgeni Svechnikov, Cape Breton (QMJHL) Big, strong and skilled. Magic hands.
  12. (11) R Nick Merkley, Kelowna Rockets (WHL) Impressive offensive player.
  13. (13) C Anthony Beauvillier, Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL) Small, elite skills. Smart.
  14. (14) D Jeremy Roy, Sherbrooke Phoenix (QMJHL) Offensive D, has ability as a defender.
  15. (18) C Travis Konecny, Ottawa 67’s (OHL) Impressive player with range of skills. Modern Bobby Clarke.
  16. (16) C Jansen Harkins, Prince George Cougars (WHL) Two-way center, skilled.
  17. (15) D Mitchell Vande Sompel, Oshawa (OHL) Undersized two-way defender. Substantial skills.
  18. (17) C Kyle Connor, Youngstown (USHL) Smart two-way forward.
  19. (19) R Daniel Sprong, Charlottetown Islanders (QMJHL) Quick, skilled first-shot scorer
  20. (20) D Oliver Kylington, Farjestad (SHL) Great wheels, solid defender.
  21. (21) L Jake Debrusk, Swift Current (WHL) Goal-scoring winger with speed.
  22. (28) L Lawson Crouse, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Power forward with some offensive skills.
  23. (22) R Blake Speers, SSM Greyhounds (OHL) Two-way W, good speed. Terrific player.
  24. (23) C Pavel Zacha, Sarnia Sting (OHL). Big, physical center with average offense. Solid U18’s.
  25. (26) C Joel Eriksson Ek, Farjestad (SEL) Skill C with size, speed.
  26. (24) G Daniel Vladar, Kladno (Czech 2) 8GP, 1.97 .933
  27. (25) D Ryan Pilon, Brandon (WHL) Offensive defender with size and speed.
  28. (29) C Filip Chlapik, Charlotteteown Islanders (QMJHL) Two-way C, range of skills
  29. (32) D Jakub Zboril, Saint John Sea Dogs (QMJHL) Two-way D, solid offense.
  30. (27) C Andrew Mangiapane, Barrie (OHL) Brilliant offensive player.

It’s probably a good thing Chiarelli isn’t attached to the scouting staff but even with that I’m not sure the Oilers trade the pick. It’s like a top 10 overall selection in a normal year—New Jersey gave up No. 9 overall for Cory Schneider. I’m not sure what the value grade is on the pick but would suggest that the Oilers could be sure of getting value by grabbing Harkins or Roy or Konecny.

A few times recently, when I’ve posted my rankings, a few posters have said things like ‘that’s not close to how the first round will go’ or ‘Oilers  value Crouse more’ and for sure, I get that. My list isn’t a prediction, it’s an attempt to assess value and properly slot prospects based on math, scouting reports, range of skills and age on draft day.

If you’d like to see an estimate of the Oilers top 15, I give you this:

 

  1. C Connor McDavid, Erie Otters (OHL)
  2. C Jack Eichel, Boston U (NCAA)
  3. C Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (OHL)
  4. D Noah Hanifin, Boston College (NCAA)
  5. L Lawson Crouse, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL)
  6. D Ivan Provorov, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL)
  7. R Mitch Marner, London Knights (OHL)
  8. C Pavel Zacha, Sarnia Sting (OHL)
  9. C Mathew Barzal, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL)
  10. R Timo Meier, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)
  11. R Mikko Rantanen, TPS Turku (SML)
  12. R Nick Merkley, Kelowna Rockets (WHL)
  13. D Jeremy Roy, Sherbrooke Phoenix (QMJHL)
  14. C Jansen Harkins, Prince George Cougars (WHL) 
  15. D Jakub Zboril, Saint John Sea Dogs (QMJHL)

That would be my guess. Bigger, more physical and more traditional than my list. I would not be at all surprised to see pick No. 16 (if Edmonton makes the selection) be used for a QMJHL player. I think there’s a good chance we see Meier, Roy or Zboril at that number.

This is a big damn deal. Todd McLellan, should he come here, would represent a new level of bona fide for this organization. It might take some time, Tom Renney was still adjusting when they fired him, but it’s also true the McDavid selection is going to fast track this organization (and no, I don’t expect the kid to lead them to the playoffs next spring).

Sometimes unpexpected players flourish under a new coach, and I sincerely hope McLellan (should he accept the job) find a way to unlock the talent in Justin Schultz, Ben Scrivens and Martin Marincin. The key for any coach is to maximize the talent available and I think the top two lines will be so strong things could be much different IF McLellan can fill out the roster with genuine NHL-ready talent. I’m wildly encouraged by this spring, ladies and men. No, that’s not strong enough: I’m stunned to my boots this spring, it’s like the stage is set for a ‘Frampton Comes Alive’ season in Edmonton.

(Note: Peter Frampton released four solo albums to little reaction in the early 1970’s. Each record was reviewed in Rolling Stone magazine, and I tried to find one, but they were never available in my corner of the world. “Comes Alive” was basically a greatest hits of his first four albums in a live setting, and that record went platinum times eight. I bought the LP (vinyl), 8-Track and all the .45’s).

We wait. But not for long.

BIGGER AND HEAVIER

After McLellan gets hired, Peter Chiarelli and the new coach can begin to cobble together staff and begin to talk about what this team looks like in the fall. Two things to remember: The process of improving the roster won’t occur overnight and there will be changes this summer, involving some of our favorites (likely).

  • Peter Chiarelli: “I’ve seen the progression here in past years and talking to MacT, they’ve been trying to get bigger and heavier. That’s certainly an area where I’d like to improve.” Source

If we look through the organization for big players, the list is in fact growing from the day MacT took over as GM:

  • Luke Gazdic 6.04, 233
  • Rob Klinkhammer 6.03, 214
  • Benoit Pouliot 6.03, 193
  • Iiro Pakarinen 6.01, 215

If we take Taylor Hall as NHL average in size (6.01, 198) then the only skill player up front who is above average (height) is Benoit Pouliot. I’ve said many times on this blog that size is great, bring it on. The big man they acquire has to be able to play and flourish on skill lines and I don’t see anything in the rest of this group to suggest that’s the case. It’s also true that Nail Yakupov, while not a big man (5.11, 197—this is all via the Oilers site) can stop opposition players in their tracks with a hit that causes harm.

One expects we’ll see a big, skill winger on the way here this summer. Pray he has some of the Pisani in him. Minor league forwards with size include the following:

  • Bogdan Yakimov 6.05, 232
  • Ryan Hamilton 6.02, 219
  • Mitchell Moroz 6.02, 214
  • Jujhar Khaira 6.03, 214
  • Curtis Hamilton 6.02, 212
  • Leon Draisaitl 6.01, 210

There’s some nice things here, you can see MacT’s touch on this group and clearly size up the middle was a priority. Bogdan Yakimov was scoring at close to a point-per-game before his injury (12 points in last 13 games) and Leon should be able to help at some point in the coming season.

I’m guessing we see a big forward come via trade or free agency this summer and that player will be housed inside the top 9F come the fall. That could be Leon but the new GM and coach may decide to give the roster more experienced help.

We wait. But not for long.

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173 Responses to "SWEET 16"

  1. russ99 says:

    I like Kylington or Sprong if we keep the pick, either pick addresses a system deficiency.

    We have enough heavy players in the system, we need to add skill to eventually replace the players we’ll move when McJesus’ ELC ends.

  2. Rondo says:

    If Pavel Zacha is still available after #10 would the Oilers try to trade up ?

  3. Stanley 2018 says:

    I think we see some big trades at the draft this year. The 16 is a big chip. Chiarelli NEEDS to use it to bring in some talent.

  4. John Chambers says:

    With the Flyers hiring Dave Hakstol out of UND, maybe they’d be high on re-uniting him with former captain Dillon Simpson.

  5. Raider Jesse says:

    I’d be very happy if one of Roy, Barzal, or Zacha fell. If not I’m pretty good with almost anyone ranked in the 16 range. Kylington intrigues me, Seems Swedish Dmen ranked in the mid 1st round have a good chance of hitting.

  6. leadfarmer says:

    With the frequent coaching turnover some of these young guys have experienced I do hope keeping Nelson as an assistant is high up on the priority list. Players seem to really like him. Sure he may find a head coaching job right now on a team thats not going places. But he runs the risk of losing his job after a year and not getting a head coaching job again. Spending couple years as McClellans assistant will give him an opportunity for a more desirable job.

  7. CopperBandit says:

    What about Mitchell Vande Sompel? Anyone got a good scouting report on him?

  8. nqmt says:

    hey LT, what’s your opinion of Brent Burns? he was a beast for Canada and with Todd McClellan, he might want him here and he might come cheaper than Seabrook. What do you think?

  9. Marc says:

    Even if this is a in fact a deep draft (and you can only ever tell for certain a few years down the road) , we can project that perhaps half of the players ranked 11-20 this year will turn into very good to elite players, maybe a quarter will be decent NHLers at best and a quarter will bust.

    The three deepest drafts in the last 15 years were probably 2003, 2008 and 2010. Look at how the middle 10 picks from each of those drafts turned out:

    2010:
    1 elite – Tarasenko
    3 good/very good – Fowler, Schwartz, Bjugstad
    3 ok/good – Gormley, Hishon, Bennett
    3 busts – Campbell, Forbort, Watson

    2008:
    1 elite – Karlsson
    1 very good – Myers
    3 good – Del Zotto, Sbisa, Gardiner
    2 ok – Boychuk, Colborne
    3 busts – Beach, Teubert, Pickard

    2003:
    3 elite – Carter, Parise, Getzlaf
    3 very good – Seabrook, Brown, Burns
    2 ok – Bernier, Fehr
    2 busts – Jessiman, Nilsson

    Is a fifty-fifty chance of a very good/elite player in 3-5 years really worth passing up on a good NHL player who can help next season?

  10. Raider Jesse says:

    Burns will likely cost as much or more than Seabrook, he has 2 years left, had 44 points in 60 games. Vlasic is coming off a “down” year in comparison, and is just as good if not better when healthy. I would push hard to get one of the two of San Jose.

    I’d probably offer Yak, 2016 1st, 2015 #16, and Marincin for the pair tho 😉

  11. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Rondo:
    If Pavel Zachais still available after #10 would the Oilers try totrade up ?

    This is going to be one of the most intriguing cases for me to watch this draft. Eye test loves the player; stats do not back up a top 10 or even top 12 ranking.

  12. Lowetide says:

    nqmt:
    hey LT, what’s your opinion of Brent Burns? he was a beast for Canada and with Todd McClellan, he might want him here and he might come cheaper than Seabrook.What do you think?

    I can’t imagine he’d be available, but if he is, God yes.

  13. John Chambers says:

    nqmt,

    Brent Burns would be a ‘perfect fit’ addition as a 3-4 defenseman. He’s big, he hits, and he has a bomb on the powerplay which the team lacks. The only superior player of this type is Byfuglien.

    But Burns is not a 25 minute / night shut-down guy. That’s Vlasic or Seabrook or Bouwmeester.

    Id be pleased with a swap of the 16th for Burns, but the move would be especially savvy if either Petry or Sekara were added as UFA’s.

  14. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Marc,

    2015 is widely touted as the best draft since 2003. Not disagreeing with your premise, but there is every chance that 16th overall pick is going to have some VERY nice names available. I don’t think the Oilers should trade that pick until they see who is on the board at that time. They can have a deal framework in place if need be, but say a guy they love is there, I’d rather they make the pick than give it up for Talbot or, say, part of a package for one year of Seabrook

  15. dustrock says:

    Zacha undoubtedly has pro level shot & speed. Some concerns about overall hockey Iq but also 1st year in North America. Remember how much Draisaitl improved 2nd year in NA.

    Getting any of Zacha, Roy, Harkins, or Connor would be fantastic.

    Kylington I’ve got a lot of time for. Heard only Hanifin skates as well as him.

    I’m fully expecting the pick to be traded though.

  16. Lowetide says:

    CopperBandit:
    What about Mitchell Vande Sompel? Anyone got a good scouting report on him?

    Brock Otten, OHL Prospects:”

    Has impressed me so much this year. His defensive game has improved a ton from last year. Vande Sompel’s defensive positioning is outstanding and it helps to alleviate the concerns his lack of size may generate. Because he’s constantly moving his feet and anticipates the play so well, he’s not putting himself in many positions where he’s susceptible of being out muscled. And when he’s able to make a good play defensively, he uses his great speed to get the puck up ice quickly. Whether it be in transition, or on the power play, Vande Sompel’s head for the game in the offensive end is on display. I’m not usually a fan of rating undersized defenseman highly, but Vande Sompel has definitely won me over.

    http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2015/01/midseason-top-30-for-2015-nhl-entry.html

  17. Captain's Log says:

    John Chambers:
    With the Flyers hiring Dave Hakstol out of UND, maybe they’d be high on re-uniting him with former captain Dillon Simpson.

    Dillon Simpson + 16th for Claude Giroux?

    I don’t really see a lot that interests me from the Flyers….

  18. dustrock says:

    John Chambers:
    nqmt,

    Brent Burns would be a ‘perfect fit’ addition as a 3-4 defenseman. He’s big, he hits, and he has a bomb on the powerplay which the team lacks. The only superior player of this type is Byfuglien.

    But Burns is not a 25 minute / night shut-down guy. That’s Vlasic or Seabrook or Bouwmeester.

    Id be pleased with a swap of the 16th for Burns, but the move would be especially savvy if either Petry or Sekara were added as UFA’s.

    I love Burns, but I loved how McLellan used him as a winger. Point on the PP, but otherwise, turn him loose with McDavid & Hall and watch the Western Conference fall.

  19. dustrock says:

    LT – for Vande Sompel, sounds like you’re describing Brian Rafalski. 🙂

  20. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Captain’s Log: Dillon Simpson + 16th for Claude Giroux?

    I don’t really see a lot that interests me from the Flyers….

    Presume you are joking on both counts. Could you imagine Wayne Simmonds on the Hall-McDavid line? That would be something. Many nice players on the Flyers.

  21. Zack says:

    Lowetide, doesn’t a prospect like Paul Bittner fit Chiarelli’s bill to a T?
    http://www.mynhldraft.com/2015/NHL-Draft-Profiles/Paul-Bittner

    The Skinny:
    6’4″ 201lbs
    34G 37A 71Pts
    Good skating, uses his size/agressive and has skill, defensive game needs some work though.

  22. VanOil says:

    If Zacha or Meier are available at 16 I think the Oilers run up and make the pick. If the BPA is one of the many fine D the pick might get traded for more immediate help.

    Projecting either of those players as wingers for Draisaitl a couple of years down the line would give the old Oilers management the Vapours.

  23. John Chambers says:

    Raider Jesse:
    Burns will likely cost as much or more than Seabrook, he has 2 years left, had 44 points in 60 games. Vlasic is coming off a “down” year in comparison, and is just as good if not better when healthy.I would push hard to get one of the two of San Jose.

    I’d probably offer Yak, 2016 1st, 2015 #16, and Marincin for the pairtho

    Doug Wilson has wanted to engineer a short re-build in San Jose that moves the ‘core’ age of that team back to their early to mid 20’s, centred around Couture, Pavelski, and Hertl.

    I definitely see them interested in trading a 30-year old Burns with just 2 years left on contract especially if they get a piece like the 16th OV. I’d imagine they’d be less inclined to trade Vlasic, but getting Yakupov and Marincin would obtain players in their exact age range target, while perhaps also enticing Thornton and Marleau to waive their NTC’s.

    It would be a steep package (Yakupov, Marincin, and #16) but getting two quality veteran defenders checks off two of three major boxes for the Oilers.

  24. square_wheels says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”,

    When that 15th selection is off the board Chia damn well better chum the waters for all the teams severely lacking prospects. This is the ideal opportunity in a cap world to land an RFA dman and sign him to a longer bridge deal. I’d be content with anyone on their list be selected, but at some point we need to follow the CBA script for building a contender, high pics land immediate help.

    The key is to walk away as happy as the other team.

    If we flipped the 16 for Spurgeon and he signed a 6×4.5M would anyone complain?

  25. Marc says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”:
    Marc,

    2015 is widely touted as the best draft since 2003. Not disagreeing with your premise, but there is every chance that 16th overall pick is going to have some VERY nice names available. I don’t think the Oilers should trade that pick until they see who is on the board at that time. They can have a deal framework in place if need be, but say a guy they love is there, I’d rather they make the pick than give it up for Talbot or, say, part of a package for one year of Seabrook

    The flip side of this is that the pick will have extremely high value on draft day, value that can potentially be leveraged into either a better player than would be available in exchange for other Edmonton assets, or a lower price in terms of number of assets given up ie. the pick straight up for a top 4 D, as opposed to Marincin and a 2016 1st for a top 4 D.

    On trade deadline day this blog was full of people talking about what a bad trader MacT was, and how important it is to maximise the value of assets.

    Keeping a pick that is as likely to turn into Fehr or Jessiman as it is to be Burns or Parise, and is in any event unlikely to make a meaningful contribution to the Oilers until Hall and Eberle’s contracts are done, is not maximising the value of the asset.

  26. sliderule says:

    Where is Chabot.

    He is 16 or higher on most rankings I have looked at.

    The Bears coach who was assistant at u 18 raved about him .Not so much about Roy.

    I think the overall high rank and coaches view has got to rank him ahead of Pilon ,Roy and Kylington.

  27. Snowman says:

    Does Chia have a history or trading draft picks? I know he’ll trade a player or two but I can’t really recall too many 1st round picks being traded away in recent years. I prefer he keep the 16 pick unless he’s getting a legitimate Dman with it. Not a goalie. I know everyone wants to turn North this year but I think we’re going to with or without the pick (not playoffs certainly, that would exceed expectations by a margin). I wouldn’t be surprised to see us at 20th or there about.

    A decent goalie will win more games. A good powerplay will win more games. I could see getting 8-10 more wins just from those two things. If we can add another good defender to the mix than I think we’re at about 20th.

    Personally I’d rather have prospects that can contribute bubbling up all the time. You look at the cap issues that have been much discussed. The best way to avoid them, have players who can contribute on their ELC who you developed there to replace the expensive ones when its time. That way no holes are created. You want a decade of good hockey. Keep the 16 pick. We’re not going to be winning next year unless Chia is smarter than we think.

    Edit: Also I don’t really get why everyone is so keen to trade MM. I get he has value but he could turn into a bargain top 4 D man. I think we need those too don’t we? He’s a young man with a lot of tools learning the game. Again, don’t trade him, keep him and reap the rewards of your development. We’ll have more cap room next summer to address defense (hopefully Goaltending is settled.) and it will likely be a better free agent crop than this summer.

  28. Aitch says:

    Captain’s Log: Dillon Simpson + 16th for Claude Giroux?

    I don’t really see a lot that interests me from the Flyers….

    If that pick is traded it can’t be for another forward. We need improvements on and in the blue first before we start tinkering with the forward group.

  29. Rondo says:

    sliderule,

    Roy was playing with a high sprained ankle .

  30. Магия 10 says:

    Flyers blinked. Tourney is over. Babcock moved up his own deadline. Coaching Carousel goes warp speed shortly.

  31. sliderule says:

    Rondo,

    Herber’s mentioned that but it doesn’t detract from his view of Chabot

  32. Rondo says:

    sliderule,

    Corey Pronman says there is a gap between Roy and Chabot in favour of Roy. Also he likes Kylington more than Roy

    Lots of opinions.

  33. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Marc,

    I wasn’t present on these boards during the few days around the trade deadline so I have no comment on what others were saying then. Was off the grid.
    Anyhow, yes, absolutely the quotes LT featured in this very post from Lombardi show that at the deadline, players are overvalued and picks are undervalued, and the opposite is true at the draft.

    If a great deal comes knocking, Chiarelli should absolutely take it. But it has to be a great deal. The Oilers should be in a position of strength in this situation. I think the value of that pick increases immensely if one or two of the Zacha/Crowse/Kylington/Meier/Barzal types slide.

    On your last sentence, yes and no. Yes if you think the Oilers’ window closes with the expiration of the Hall contract. No if you need players to fill in to grow and replace Eberle and Hall down the line because the window has now shifted back to focus around McDavid, rather than Hall and Eberle and Nuge.

    I know it’s really easy to get fixated on just getting to the playoffs again because it has been so long, but do you want to contend for 5 years or a decade is the question, and Chicago has lost key players but has kept on contending due to younger talent like Saad, Shaw, etc, coming in to fill in gaps.

    P.S. I’m all for turning north asap. I just see many people here happy to trade away the 16th overall just to do it. As there was a poster who put it so very well, McDavid was the freebie, not the 16th. Treat it like your only 1st rounder, do the research, and if you’re going to trade it, make sure you are getting a very strong deal to help the club now and down the line.

    Edit- Snowman beat me to it.

  34. kooler says:

    With such a deep draft do think Buffalo would ever take a our 16 for their 21 and 31?
    Another question…what’s is McDavids draft value….is he worth Buffalo’s 2, 21 and 31 spots and a player? Of course we take BPA.

  35. HiddenDarts says:

    If it wasn’t for MacT having a job and the player turning himself into the NHL’s poster-boy for “poison to the room”, you know who the best big winger would be for the Oilers? A little offensive flair, good skater, protects the puck well. Probably available for league minimum at this point (see: the POISON!).

    Dustin Penner. Where art thou, o’ Manitoba Oak?

  36. Rondo says:

    Zack,

    Bitttner plays with Nic Petan and Oliver Bjorkstrand.

    Timo Meier plays with Nikolaj Ehlers.

    So who drives the bus?

  37. sliderule says:

    Rondo,

    I haven’t seen Pronman’s latest list but he was the only one of the many rankings that I looked at he who didn’t have Chabot in top 30.

    Button had Chabot at 11.

    Like you say lots of opinions.

  38. square_wheels says:

    NYCOIL "Taking Photos",

    Well put Picture Man. Adding further to this, it’s imperative we don’t waste pics in the 2nd and 3rd round, our scouts must deliver BPA and the mngt team has to be aligned to trust them. Look where Chicago and LA found most of those contributors. I want to see evidence of this starting at this years draft. What makes CMD so incredibly important is we can now afford to simmer players in the AHL and their 19yr old year in the CHL.

    The NHL is not a development league!! Finally we might actually be able to end temptation to defy that logic.

  39. raventalon40 says:

    Captain’s Log: Dillon Simpson + 16th for Claude Giroux?

    I don’t really see a lot that interests me from the Flyers….

    If by Dillon Simpson you mean Jordan Eberle+

  40. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    kooler:
    With such a deep draft do think Buffalo would ever take a our 16 for their 21 and 31?
    Another question…what’s is McDavids draft value….is he worth Buffalo’s 2, 21 and 31 spots and a player? Of course we take BPA.

    The other day, Barnaby (huge grain of salt) said bidding would start at #2OA, Zadorov, Ristolainen, and one more of the Sabres’ 1st rounders they have (Blues or Isles). If Buffalo really offered more than that, I think you’d definitely have to think about it. Oilers would have Eichel, 21OA, perhaps another pick, and two big, mobile future top 4 D.

    Klefbom-Ristolainen
    Nurse-Zadorov
    Marincin-Jeremy Roy

    is a really nice D

    And still retain Eichel-Nuge-Draisaitl-Lander down the middle long term. It’s much more balanced, even if the top end scoring isn’t quite as high.

    Anyway, think Barnaby is out to lunch. Buffalo wouldn’t offer that.

  41. John Chambers says:

    kooler:
    With such a deep draft do think Buffalo would ever take a our 16 for their 21 and 31?
    Another question…what’s is McDavids draft value….is he worth Buffalo’s 2, 21 and 31 spots and a player? Of course we take BPA.

    If McDavid was American and Eichel was Canadian I would flip #1 for #’s 2, 21, and 31. In Edmonton I think there’s a greater risk of US players re-signing vs CDN players.

    As it stands there’s too much risk IMO of taking the Yank over the McJeesus.

  42. Pouzar says:

    NYCOIL "Taking Photos":
    Marc,

    I wasn’t present on these boards during the few days around the trade deadline so I have no comment on what others were saying then. Was off the grid.
    Anyhow, yes, absolutely the quotes LT featured in this very post from Lombardi show that at the deadline, players are overvalued and picks are undervalued, and the opposite is true at the draft.

    If a great deal comes knocking, Chiarelli should absolutely take it. But it has to be a great deal. The Oilers should be in a position of strength in this situation. I think the value of that pick increases immensely if one or two of the Zacha/Crowse/Kylington/Meier/Barzal types slide.

    On your last sentence, yes and no. Yes if you think the Oilers’ window closes with the expiration of the Hall contract. No if you need players to fill in to grow and replace Eberle and Hall down the line because the window has now shifted back to focus around McDavid, rather than Hall and Eberle and Nuge.

    I know it’s really easy to get fixated on just getting to the playoffs again because it has been so long, but do you want to contend for 5 years or a decade is the question, and Chicago has lost key players but has kept on contending due to younger talent like Saad, Shaw, etc, coming in to fill in gaps.

    P.S. I’m all for turning north asap. I just see many people here happy to trade away the 16th overall just to do it. As there was a poster who put it so very well, McDavid was the freebie, not the 16th. Treat it like your only 1st rounder, do the research, and if you’re going to trade it, make sure you are getting a very strong deal to help the club now and down the line.

    Edit- Snowman beat me to it.

    Great post.

  43. leadfarmer says:

    Doug Armstrong getting promoted in June of 2010 and turning David Runblad, a player his team just drafted the year prior into Tarasenko is one of those high quality moves that I’m hoping for out of Chiarelli.

    And whats up with the recent HFboards style trade proposals. Players like David Musil, Dillon Simpson, are worth at best a midround pick or another project type player. You don’t get Giroux for a mid first round pick and a throw in. If you can you better do it and flip the player for a Dman you need.

  44. leadfarmer says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”,

    I think that what the price would be to move up from 3rd to first. Eichel is a very fantastic prospect himself that there is no need for Buffalo to package their d-corps.

  45. rickithebear says:

    Chiarelli: Gm BOS may 2006:
    not sure which staff drafted 2006.

    2006:
    #5 Kessel
    #37 Alexandrov
    #50 Lucic
    #71 Marchand
    Bonarchuk; Nelson

    2007:
    #8 Hamill
    #35 Cross
    Reul; Goulet; ostricill; Knackstedt

    2008:
    #16 Coulburne
    #47 Sauve
    #77 Hutchinson
    #97 Arniel
    Tremblay; Goggin

    2009:
    #25 Caron
    #86 Button
    Mcdermid; Randall; Sexton

    2010:
    #2 Seguin
    #32 Knight
    #45 Spooner
    #97 Cunningham
    Florek: Mcintyre; Chudinov; Trotman

    2011:
    #9 Hamilton
    #40 Khoklachev
    #81 Camara
    Ferlin; O’gara; Volden

    2012:
    #24 M. Subban A goalie in the first. MacT one 15 best performers in last 30 yrs Sm Ligga UFA
    #85 Grzelyck
    Griffith; Payne; Benning; Hargrove

    2013:
    #60 Arnesson
    #90 Cehlarik
    Fitzgerald; Sherman; Blidh; Dempsey

    2014:
    #25 Pastarnak
    #56 Donato
    Heinen; Bjork; Johannsson.

    Please do not let this man run our draft!

    2013:
    #37 for
    #83 Yakimov
    #88 Slepyshev
    #94 Houck
    #96 Platzer
    #113 Muir
    ——————
    #128 Campbell
    #158 Betker
    #188 Chase

    2014:
    #91 Lagesson
    #111 Nagel voort
    #153 Vesel
    Coughlin; Bouchard

    Let this Man!

  46. Pouzar says:

    leadfarmer: And whats up with the recent HFboards style trade proposals.

    I love HFBoards.

    “If Anaheim offers you John Gibson for either Leon Draisaitl or Darnell Nurse, do you take it?”

  47. misfit says:

    John Chambers,

    I think we can assume that regardless of the RD se bring in (if any), that Fayne will still be the one to get the heavy D-Zone starts and be tasked, at least in part, with going against top lines. So Burns/Seabrook/Byfuglien/etc would be able to enjoy the Keith/Seabrook treatment in terms if getting big minutes in all situations, but not necessarily having the be the main shut-down guy.

    To continue with the Chicago analogy, getting our Hjalmarsson to go with Fayne (our resident Oduya) is just as important. We currently have nobody at LD I’d be comfortable having share the responsibility. Hjalmarsson isn’t any more available than the names tossed around here, but at least Chicago’s cap issues are real and do have to move someone. No doubt they would prefer moving Sharp or Crawford, but I think they could be convinced to move Hjalmarsson or Seabrook if the return was great enough. I mean why cut salary and get worse when you can cut salary and get real value back? The key is making it worth their while. when Philly moved Richards and Carter, they had other players they could’ve moved, but Richards got them Schenn and Simmonds and Carter got them Voracek and Couturier. That’s a much better way to cut salary than giving away a high ticket player for nothing, no?

  48. russ99 says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: The other day, Barnaby (huge grain of salt) said bidding would start at #2OA, Zadorov, Ristolainen, and one more of the Sabres’ 1st rounders they have (Blues or Isles). If Buffalo really offered more than that, I think you’d definitely have to think about it. Oilers would have Eichel, 21OA, perhaps another pick, and two big, mobile future top 4 D.

    Klefbom-Ristolainen
    Nurse-Zadorov
    Marincin-Jeremy Roy

    is a really nice D

    And still retain Eichel-Nuge-Draisaitl-Lander down the middle long term. It’s much more balanced, even if the top end scoring isn’t quite as high.

    Anyway, think Barnaby is out to lunch. Buffalo wouldn’t offer that.

    No way.

    I’m already in fear of a Thrashers-style trade of an elite player in our young cluster for a bunch of average to above average players.

    It would be suicide to do that with McJesus, as much as I love Eichel.

  49. Marc says:

    NYCOIL "Taking Photos":
    Marc,

    I wasn’t present on these boards during the few days around the trade deadline so I have no comment on what others were saying then. Was off the grid.
    Anyhow, yes, absolutely the quotes LT featured in this very post from Lombardi show that at the deadline, players are overvalued and picks are undervalued, and the opposite is true at the draft.

    If a great deal comes knocking, Chiarelli should absolutely take it. But it has to be a great deal. The Oilers should be in a position of strength in this situation. I think the value of that pick increases immensely if one or two of the Zacha/Crowse/Kylington/Meier/Barzal types slide.

    On your last sentence, yes and no. Yes if you think the Oilers’ window closes with the expiration of the Hall contract. No if you need players to fill in to grow and replace Eberle and Hall down the line because the window has now shifted back to focus around McDavid, rather than Hall and Eberle and Nuge.

    I know it’s really easy to get fixated on just getting to the playoffs again because it has been so long, but do you want to contend for 5 years or a decade is the question, and Chicago has lost key players but has kept on contending due to younger talent like Saad, Shaw, etc, coming in to fill in gaps.

    P.S. I’m all for turning north asap. I just see many people here happy to trade away the 16th overall just to do it. As there was a poster who put it so very well, McDavid was the freebie, not the 16th. Treat it like your only 1st rounder, do the research, and if you’re going to trade it, make sure you are getting a very strong deal to help the club now and down the line.

    Edit- Snowman beat me to it.

    I don’t disagree with any of this.

    My concerns are as follows:

    1. The Oilers need to pick up two good veteran D if they want to avoid another bottom 10 finish.

    2. It is hopelessly optimistic to think that both can be acquired in free agency – there are too many teams looking for D and too few good FAs. People keep on pencilling in Sekera, but he’s the best available D and will be a lot of teams’ top priority come July 1st. All but one of them will be disappointed. If the Oilers are lucky they’ll get one of the top ten available UFA D.

    3. If Klef, Nurse and Drai are off limits (and they should be, barring an unbelievable offer), then the Oilers have a limited number of assets that could legitimately (ie. not just in the somewhat rosy spectacles of an Oil fan) fetch a good veteran D from another team. Lander, Yak, maybe Marincin if a decent pick is added), and if Chia moves before the draft, the 16th pick. That’s pretty much it.

    4. Of the above assets, I’d rather move the 16th pick than Lander (great contract, useful now, still getting better) or Yak (still highly likely to turn into a very good/elite player, and at his absolute lowest value, so impossible to get a fair deal).

    5. As I think only one of the two D the Oilers need, can realistically be obtained through free agency, that means either Marincin or the pick (or in the right case, both) will have to go to get the other one. I hate to lose either, but I’d hate even more to go into next season with the same D as last season, plus someone like Beauchemin (who is one of the top ten D available, which tells you how weak the crop is).

    6. I think the pick, in the madness that hits teams on draft day, will fetch a better player than Marincin, so that’s why my preferred option is moving it. If Marincin+ gets us our man though, I hope Chia makes that deal instead.

  50. blainer says:

    There was a post about a rumor that Buffalo offered their 2nd and 21st this year AND their 2016 and 2017 first for our first this year and we turned it down.. We should have countered with we’ll trade you the 16 and 33rd this year and our 2016 and 2017 first for their 2nd.. Imagine what we could get with the 2nd over all this year.. Gotta love all the crazy talk..

  51. leadfarmer says:

    Bohologo,

    From what everyone is saying this is not your average draft. It may be close to the 2003 draft. So depending on who drops down I just included the 13th to 24th pick from that draft.
    13 Dustin Brown (RW) )
    14 Brent Seabrook (D)
    15 Robert Nilsson (RW)
    16 Steve Bernier (RW)
    17 Zach Parise (C)
    18 Eric Fehr (RW)
    19 Ryan Getzlaf (C)
    20 Brent Burns (RW)
    21 Mark Stuart (D)
    22 Marc-Antoine Pouliot (C)
    23 Ryan Kesler (C)
    24 Mike Richards (C)

  52. Rondo says:

    leadfarmer,

    Again there are many opinions regarding this draft. Pronman calls it above average.

    Sounds like this draft maybe deeper than last years.

  53. leadfarmer says:

    Pouzar,

    No. Goalies especially unproven ones aren’t worth that much. Maybe Nurse 2 years ago before you watched him develop for 2 years. I’m sure Anaheim would want a more significant piece than the 16th OV. Don’t think you get him with the assets you would want to get him with. I would rather go for Vasilevski myself but he would probably be even more expensive

  54. leadfarmer says:

    Rondo,

    Even though opinions on the draft range, the consensus appears to be from above average to 2003 level.

  55. leadfarmer says:

    Bohologo,

    Just the numbers these guys are putting up. The word is the guys that will be available in the middle of the first round are putting up numbers that you would expect at the bottom of the top 10. I don’t have the numbers handy to back that up, so if anyone does have those available please post them

  56. leadfarmer says:

    leadfarmer,

    For example Dylan Strome who is probably going 4th or 5th put up pretty much the same numbers as Taylor Hall in his last junior year. Mitch Marner has considerably higher numbers than Nail Yakupov in his draft year.

  57. letmycamerongo says:

    Hey Lowetide,

    This is off yesterday’s thread, DSF mentioned all the talented young Dmen ANA has that have pushed James Wisniewski to be a healthy scratch in the playoffs.

    What would you think of picking Wisniewski up. You’ve got to think the price tag wouldn’t be too dear. He’s got 2 more years at 5.5, so he isn’t a rental, but also doesn’t cripple our cap management when McDavids ELC is up.

    He had strong Corsi #s in Columbus, though I assume with a strong zone push. He posted a career high in pts last season. Could really fill in as a place holder in the Justin Schultz role. If we can get rid of NN money, he might be a good addition that won’t affect us long term.

    Thoughts?

  58. Pouzar says:

    I’ve watched a lot of the Kelowna playoffs. Nick Merkley is going to be a good one. A point or 2 shy of Drai in playoff scoring.

  59. raventalon40 says:

    letmycamerongo:
    Hey Lowetide,

    This is off yesterday’s thread, DSF mentioned all the talented young Dmen ANA has that have pushed James Wisniewski to be a healthy scratch in the playoffs.

    What would you think of picking Wisniewski up. You’ve got to think the price tag wouldn’t be too dear. He’s got 2 more years at 5.5, so he isn’t a rental, but also doesn’t cripple our cap management when McDavids ELC is up.

    He had strong Corsi #s in Columbus, though I assume with a strong zone push. He posted a career high in pts last season. Could really fill in as a place holder in the Justin Schultz role. If we can get rid of NN money, he might be a good addition that won’t affect us long term.

    Thoughts?

    Nikitin for 1 year for Wisniewski for 2 years… I’d throw in a low pick (6th?) and ask Anaheim to retain a third of his salary.

    I don’t know if Anaheim saves that much money though, as previously thought, since considering the last two years are 5 and 3 million respectively.

  60. Rondo says:

    LT,

    Do you think someone like Peter Chiarelli and or Todd Mclellan have intel on this years draft from their own organization.?

    Oilers have not given me much confidence in picking past their first pick.

  61. raventalon40 says:

    Rondo:
    LT,

    Do you thinksomeone like Peter Chiarelli and orTodd Mclellan have intel on this years draft from their own organization.?

    I think part of the conditions of Chiarelli’s hiring is htat he can’t participate in anything draft-related.

  62. Lowetide says:

    Bohologo: I’ve heard this too, so your exercise makes sense. But….why are people saying this? Is this observation data-driven, or narrative-driven? I would like to learn more about what constitutes a deep draft, and what does not, without the advantage of a five-year retrospective.

    Anecdotally, the top of the OHL scoring list (Strome, Marner, McDavid) and the impact college guys (Eichel, Hanifin, Werenski) push this draft up, but for me there are two things pushing the 2015 edition toward great heights:

    1. The tremendous QMJHL crop. It’s mammoth.
    2. The sheer number of exceptional D. We’re seeing it in this thread. Dermott is a terrific young D, and yet the range on him is high.

    btw, Brock Otten has a new post up, Dermott is mentioned

    http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2015/05/sunday-top-10-draft-risers-for-2015.html

  63. raventalon40 says:

    Imagine… in an alternate universe, where the Oilers unite coaching all-star staff of the 2007-08 Detroit Red Wings, with Babcock, McLellan, and MacLean under one banner. With Todd Nelson as one of the assistants.

  64. PeOiler says:

    In my dreams the Oilers use picks #16 and #88 to draft Daniel Sprong and Kameron Kielly. It would be glorious (well, glorious for me) to be able to cheer for an Oilers prospect on my Charlottetown team. Too many Flames fans cropping up around here for my liking…

    A taste of the two 17 year olds working together here:

    https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/charlottetown-islanders–kameron-kielly–daniel-sprong-team-up-on-terrific-tic-tac-toe-goal–video-002359605.html

  65. Pouzar says:

    What about James Wisniewski for Purcell?
    JW had a monster year in 2013-2014 for the playoff bound Jackets.
    Was 8th in d-man scoring (51 pts in 75 games) while posting very good possession numbers
    in the big boy quadrant. He has 2 more years at 5.5 million but for next year that is a difference of 1 million for a nice little upgrade on the blue line.

  66. Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker) says:

    A lot of talk about losing key players at the close of the Hall Ebs deal. I think we might be ok. If the canadian dollar rebounds, we will see a massive increase in cap. Initial projections during the CBA had 90million. It is possible the league expands soon, and maybe Vegas and Quebec get teams. And relocations are also possible. The way I understand it, league entry fees aren’t HRR, but two more teams especially one in another canadian market should help push the cap up. I don’t think the cap will look as daunting if we spend the nikitiin, purcell, ference money on players who are actually worth it. Niki makes the same amount that I think we could have locked Petry at long term last summer.

    I think it might be tempting for the players to take a hometown discount ala crosby and malkin. Who knows, some of the glory boys might give some advice about all the cups they missed out on. I think there is a legitimate chance of keeping Hall, Ebs, RNH, Draisaitl, CMD, Nurse, Klef, Yak together. We could sign Klef longterm now, and that would be wise. If yak has a good year, we could probably get him longterm at 6million. If he doesn’t, then I will probably cry. Main priority until the Hall contract year should be maintaining cap flexibility. That is why I think this draft is so huge. This is the crop of players who will be ready to come in on ELC to alleviate cap concerns. If we want to target stopgap players, I would prefer ones like Sekera to Seabrook. This is simply due to cap flexibillity. Sekera can be signed to something that can disappear at or before the hall contract. Seabrook will go long term on a big deal. By the hall contract, he has probably been relegated below Nurse and Klef as 1st pairing, and is eating cap. He could potentially be a hard contract to move at that point.

    That’s why I target UFAs this year. You aren’t losing anything if you have to let them walk during the Hall clusters contact resigning. You could hold onto them during those playoffs, and still have your Kylington or Roy bubbling under for next year. If you make a trade, you are probably more inclined to flip them at the deadline to save cap space.

    Chicago vs Pittsburg. Pittsburg traded picks and prospects to take shots, which has slowly deteriorated their depth. Chicago has had a steady stream of guys moving in and out to augment the core, and hasn’t moved any good prospects. Fascinating really. They have lost so many good players, and have not slowed down a bit. If you are a UFA, do you choose Chicago or Pittsburgh? Guess it depends, but I assume Chicago is a place players would take less to go to.

    Biggest thing I see is probably keeping RNH and Draisaitl. Whichever is playing wing 3c rover will probably want to explore other options.

  67. Ducey says:

    Hextall with a weird coaching hire.

    I am happy for an Alberta boy (from Warburg) but Hakstol has never played in the NHL or coached there. Cant imagine that Oilers fans would be too excited if Chia was looking at doing something similar.

    Oh, and the Oilers should consider trading the 16th, but only if someone is actually going to give them value for it. If picks are like gold at the draft, then someone better ante up.

    I like the look of Jacob Larsson. Swedish defenseman, 6′ 2″ noted for his mobility and size. Good transition and reads. Ranked 32 by the Hockey News and 34 by ISS. Maybe similar to Kelfbom? Would be a good pick at 33.

    On the other hand I really hope the Oilers stay away from Nicolas Roy. The Hockey News has him at 18. ISS has him at 47. Big 6’4″ dman. Good player that cant skate. We have seem enough of those fail in these parts.

  68. leadfarmer says:

    Without the Philadelphia Flyers the NHL would be so much more boring. So many puzzling decisions in the last 15 years.

    Although I don’t mind a rookie coach. A rookie GM hiring a rookie coach on the other hand I do mind.

  69. Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker) says:

    Rondo,

    Maybe I’m wrong, but the oil seem to go wrong when there is tampering. For example, I think Hamilton, and Pitlick were good picks (poorly developed). Moroz was a bad pick. Musil was a bad pick. Abney was a bad pick. I know I’m cherry picking, but Hamilton and Pitlick were big players with skill, and I think that was Macgregor thinking. The coke machines seem to come from higher up. Hartikainen was a legit prospect who was flushed. Reider. Looking at the draft, it is very two faced. 2013 vs 2014.

    Also that little blurb that came out awhile ago about Tyler Johnson and Gallagher on our radar, but shot down.

  70. PeOiler says:

    Ducey,

    Usually by the time a QMJHL player goes in the 1st round I have devoloped some amount of irrational (…and biased) hatred towards the player. I have not seen anythig that says “surefire 1st round pick” from either Nicolas or Jeremy Roy.

  71. Woodguy says:

    Chris Wescott @TheChrisWescott · 19m 19 minutes ago
    Heading into game six tonight, the lone lineup change for the #OKCBarons is David Musil in, Martin Marincin out. #Oilers

    Not good.

    Gregor mentioned that Marincin didn’t want to go to OKC, but to the Worlds.

    A few accounts have him playing poorly.

    Not good.

    I think this young man is on his way out of the org.

    He needs to own some of this.

    Part of pro hockey is having to do what you’re told and not pout.

    Not sure if he’s pouting, but if he’s not killing the AHL he’s either injured or not trying very hard.

  72. Dashingsilverfox says:

    letmycamerongo:
    Hey Lowetide,

    This is off yesterday’s thread, DSF mentioned all the talented young Dmen ANA has that have pushed James Wisniewski to be a healthy scratch in the playoffs.

    What would you think of picking Wisniewski up. You’ve got to think the price tag wouldn’t be too dear. He’s got 2 more years at 5.5, so he isn’t a rental, but also doesn’t cripple our cap management when McDavids ELC is up.

    He had strong Corsi #s in Columbus, though I assume with a strong zone push. He posted a career high in pts last season. Could really fill in as a place holder in the Justin Schultz role. If we can get rid of NN money, he might be a good addition that won’t affect us long term.

    Thoughts?

    Glad you picked up on that…I gave it a lot of thought myself after looking at the Ducks D.

    The Ducks have both Wiz and Mark Fistric sitting as dead money on their cap and, with Shea Theodore and Josh Manson knocking on the door, should be very motivated to move the Wiz since the team operates under an internal budget. (almost $19M in cap space).

    I seriously doubt they would be willing to take on any bad contracts like Nikitin or Purcell to make that kind of move since Anaheim has the best asset but I think it’s a deal the Oilers should explore in any case.

    One of the Oilers biggest issues is the lack of offensive production from the blue line and Wiz would certainly be an upgrade on that front.

    In a strange twist of fate…I’d bet the Ducks might take Justin Schultz in a swap for the Wiz who is a much better option for the Oilers for the next 2 seasons.

    The fans in Disneyland would also be in an uproar which has all sorts of entertainment value in it’s own right 🙂

  73. Gordies Elbow says:

    Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker):

    Chicago vs Pittsburg. Pittsburg traded picks and prospects to take shots, which has slowly deteriorated their depth. Chicago has had a steady stream of guys moving in and out to augment the core, and hasn’t moved any good prospects. Fascinating really. They have lost so many good players, and have not slowed down a bit. If you are a UFA, do you choose Chicago or Pittsburgh? Guess it depends, but I assume Chicago is a place players would take less to go to.

    This is an excellent point, and why I’d prefer that they take the picks to trading them. Unless a true top pairing defender on a contract with term is available, in a cap world, cheap young talent has value.

    Chicago ran headlong into the cap, and were able to recover as they had (and have) young talent that can take on roles with their team.

    Pittsburgh doesn’t have that luxury, and is likely why they’re on the outside looking in.

  74. leadfarmer says:

    Pouzar,

    They can give him away this offseason. They have no reason to bring back a bad contract.

  75. Traktor says:

    Edmonton should bring back Scrivens the same way they should bring back Nikitin.

    As in they shouldn’t.

  76. raventalon40 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Glad you picked up on that…I gave it a lot of thought myself after looking at the Ducks D.

    The Ducks have both Wiz and Mark Fistric sitting as dead money on their bullion and, with Shea Theodore and Josh Manson knocking on the door, should be very motivated to move the Wiz since the team operates under an internal budget. (almost $19M in cap space).

    I seriously doubt they would be willing to take on any bad contracts like Nikitin or Purcell to make that kind of move since Anaheim has the best asset but I think it’s a deal the Oilers should explore in any case.

    One of the Oilers biggest issues is the lack of offensive production from the blue line and Wiz would certainly be an upgrade on that front.

    In a strange twist of fate…I’d bet the Ducks might take Justin Schultz in a swap for the Wiz who is a much better option for the Oilers for the next 2 seasons.

    The fans in Disneyland would also be in an uproar which has all sorts of entertainment value in it’s own right

    Nikitin might help them. Saves them money and an extra spot on the 50 man roster for the following season.

  77. Traktor says:

    Woodguy:
    Chris Wescott @TheChrisWescott·19m 19 minutes ago
    Heading into game six tonight, the lone lineup change for the #OKCBarons is David Musil in, Martin Marincin out. #Oilers

    Not good.

    Gregor mentioned that Marincin didn’t want to go to OKC, but to the Worlds.

    A few accounts have him playing poorly.

    Not good.

    I think this young man is on his way out of the org.

    He needs to own some of this.

    Part of pro hockey is having to do what you’re told and not pout.

    Not sure if he’s pouting, but if he’s not killing the AHL he’s either injured or not trying very hard.

    He should be dominating the AHL if he’s as good as the fancy stats guys on this blog say he is.

    That’s not calling anyone out. Its the truth.

  78. Ryan says:

    Pouzar:
    What about James Wisniewski for Purcell?
    JW had a monster year in 2013-2014 for the playoff bound Jackets.
    Was 8th in d-man scoring (51 pts in 75 games) while posting very good possession numbers
    in the big boy quadrant. He has 2 more years at 5.5 million but for next year that is a difference of 1 million for a nice little upgrade on the blue line.

    I don’t know… He can’t apparently crack the Duck’s top six this year. The cap hit is dear. He is a right shot which is nice.

    If he had one year left on his contract, it would be a no-brainer.

    He’s not a big blue bubble in the top left quadrant as you suggest… Year over year, he looks more like a small to medium bubble of varying colors that gets balanced zone starts and middle of the road compition.

    I’d say no unless we were absolutely desperate since the second year on the contract will be crippling just after we finally rid ourselves of Purcell and Nikitin.

    The Oilers desperately need two top four defensemen and he doesn’t appear to be one.

  79. Gordies Elbow says:

    Traktor:
    Edmonton should bring back Scrivens the same way they should bring back Nikitin.

    As in they shouldn’t.

    Before dumping a goalie, they should see if the new coach(es) can get better performance out of the team in front of him.

    He had decent results while playing for better teams, and in systems that weren’t the “Eakins Swarm”/”Timbits clump”

    Scrivens as a Vezina nominee in 2015-2016? Sounds crazy, just like if I’d posted last year that Devan Dubnyk would be one in 2014-2015.

  80. Dashingsilverfox says:

    raventalon40: Nikitin might help them. Saves them money and an extra spot on the 50 man roster for the following season.

    Nikitin would just get in the way…they don’t need him…and as another poster mentioned, the Ducks could just flip Wiz for a draft pick and be better off.

  81. Klima's_Bucket says:

    If the 9th overall pick (Bo Horvat) in 2013 gets you Schneider, does the 16th overall pick in 2015 (Harkins, Konecny) get you Schneider from the Devils?

  82. blainer says:

    Sitting MM before Davidson .. Pouzar will not be happy…

  83. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    If the 9th overall pick (Bo Horvat) in 2013 gets you Schneider, does the 16th overall pick in 2015 (Harkins, Konecny) get you Schneider from the Devils?

    The only reason Vancouver moved Schneider was the Luongo fiasco.

    NJ has no motivation to move an elite goaltender for a lick and promise.

  84. pts2pndr says:

    Before we get too carried away with moving draft picks or good young players we should realize that with McDavid , Lander and Draisital we are assured of 4 legit centres .! We will also have two scoring lines which is twice what we had last year. With the acquisition of a legitimate NHL goalie via free agency we will be significantly improved over last year! We will also have a coach that the players will play for and who will have the team ready for the first puck drop unlike the previous two years.

  85. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Chris Wescott @TheChrisWescott·19m 19 minutes ago
    Heading into game six tonight, the lone lineup change for the #OKCBarons is David Musil in, Martin Marincin out. #Oilers

    Not good.

    Gregor mentioned that Marincin didn’t want to go to OKC, but to the Worlds.

    A few accounts have him playing poorly.

    Not good.

    I think this young man is on his way out of the org.

    He needs to own some of this.

    Part of pro hockey is having to do what you’re told and not pout.

    Not sure if he’s pouting, but if he’s not killing the AHL he’s either injured or not trying very hard.

    We’ll see. A lot of the European kids have bolted, signing in Europe. Wonder if MM makes like Hartikainen and Horak this spring and signs back home.

  86. Younger Oil says:

    Just looking up the AHL playoff eligibility rules, and I believe the only reason Marincin was eligible to play in the playoffs was because the Oilers sent him and a few other players down on trade deadline day, for the sole purpose of making them eligible for the AHL playoffs.

    My question is, why wasn’t Klefbom on that list?

    Marincin was a lock for the Slovakian WHC, Klefbom arguably wasn’t for Sweden at the time of the trade deadline.

    I don’t get why Klefbom wasn’t in that group. Sure, it worked out well, but if he wasn’t selected by Sweden his season would have been over as soon as the Oilers’ 82nd game finished, and he’d be a huge help to the Barons in the playoffs.

    From that perspective, I can see why Marincin is pissed. Sure, he shouldn’t be pouting, but he has been getting shafted for the past year, and he and Klefbom should have been given equal treatment.

    They are basically saying that playing for Sweden is more important than playing for Slovakia, which would make me furious if I was a Slovakian.

  87. BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1) says:

    leadfarmer: Although I don’t mind a rookie coach. A rookie GM hiring a rookie coach on the other hand I do mind.

    How about two rookie GMs, each hiring their own rookie coach, in succession? Or rather, suck-cession…

  88. Pouzar says:

    Ryan: I don’t know…He can’t apparently crack the Duck’s top six this year.The cap hit is dear.He is a right shot which is nice.

    If he had one year left on his contract, it would be a no-brainer.

    He’s not a big blue bubble in the top left quadrant as you suggest…Year over year, he looks more like a small to medium bubble of varying colors that gets balanced zone starts and middle of the road compition.

    I’d say no unless we were absolutely desperate since the second year on the contract will be crippling just after we finally rid ourselves of Purcell and Nikitin.

    The Oilers desperately need two top four defensemen and he doesn’t appear to be one.

    Check out his 2013/14 season player usage chart on Hockey Abstract. He’s right on the border of the Shutdown/2 way quadrants with a big blue bubble indeed.

  89. Pouzar says:

    blainer:
    Sitting MM before Davidson .. Pouzar will not be happy…

    Sail on Marty.

  90. Woodguy says:

    Traktor: He should be dominating the AHL if he’s as good as the fancy stats guys on this blog say he is.

    That’s not calling anyone out. Its the truth.

    That’s just it.

    He has dominated the AHL.

    When the Oilers sent him back earlier this year Nelson seemed quite bewildered by it in an interview and called him “a NHL Defensmen”

    He’s not playing like that guy right now.

    So its either an injury or attitude.

    Could be attitude as Gregor said he was not happy that he couldn’t go to the worlds.

  91. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: We’ll see. A lot of the European kids have bolted, signing in Europe. Wonder if MM makes like Hartikainen and Horak this spring and signs back home.

    I think he’s too valuable and will be traded and a NHL contract from his new team will keep him here.

    Maybe settles in with another team.

  92. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: That’s just it.

    He has dominated the AHL.

    When the Oilers sent him back earlier this year Nelson seemed quite bewildered by it in an interview and called him “a NHL Defensmen”

    He’s not playing like that guy right now.

    So its either an injury or attitude.

    Could be attitude as Gregor said he was not happy that he couldn’t go to the worlds.

    I read a few twitter comments during last game that he “must be injured”. A few of the OKC bloggers were bewildered by his play and offered this up as the reason. But we probably won’t find out till after playoffs.

  93. Woodguy says:

    Younger Oil:
    Just looking up the AHL playoff eligibility rules, and I believe the only reason Marincin was eligible to play in the playoffs was because the Oilers sent him and a few other players down on trade deadline day, for the sole purpose of making them eligible for the AHL playoffs.

    My question is, why wasn’t Klefbom on that list?

    Marincin was a lock for the Slovakian WHC, Klefbom arguably wasn’t for Sweden at the time of the trade deadline.

    I don’t get why Klefbom wasn’t in that group. Sure, it worked out well, but if he wasn’t selected by Sweden his season would have been over as soon as the Oilers’ 82nd game finished, and he’d be a huge help to the Barons in the playoffs.

    From that perspective, I can see why Marincin is pissed. Sure, he shouldn’t be pouting, but he has been getting shafted for the past year, and he and Klefbom should have been given equal treatment.

    They are basically saying that playing for Sweden is more important than playing for Slovakia, which would make me furious if I was a Slovakian.

    That’s a great point.

    Different rules for MacT’s boys (back when he actually made decisions)

    Fuck that guy.

  94. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: I think he’s too valuable and will be traded and a NHL contract from his new team will keep him here.

    Maybe settles in with another team.

    I don’t think that decision is in the team’s hands. Marincin, like Horak and Hartikainien, is RFA. There’s nothing stopping him from signing with a Euro team, effectively cratering his immediate trade value.

  95. book¡je says:

    Peter Frampton released four solo albums to little reaction in the early 1970’s. Each record was reviewed in Rolling Stone magazine, and I tried to find one, but they were never available in my corner of the world. “Comes Alive” was basically a greatest hits of his first four albums in a live setting, and that record went platinum times eight. I bought the LP (vinyl), 8-Track and all the .45’s)

    You should have just downloaded them.

  96. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: We’ll see. A lot of the European kids have bolted, signing in Europe. Wonder if MM makes like Hartikainen and Horak this spring and signs back home.

    Aaand that would pretty much wipe out our vaunted 2010 2nd round draft group.

    Hamilton, Pitlick and Marincin all being flushed, one way or another, would mean the team went in with 10 picks and only really managed to come out of it with the 1st overall and a longshot on Davidson, the last remnant of the Greene/Stoll/Vishnovsky/Whitney deal.

    I’d hope Marincin’s agent has him come back for one more year to see how things go under McLellan before bolting.

  97. RexLibris says:

    book¡je: You should have just downloaded them.

    He couldn’t. The internet connection in Maidstone wasn’t fast enough.

  98. Woodguy says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Glad you picked up on that…I gave it a lot of thought myself after looking at the Ducks D.

    The Ducks have both Wiz and Mark Fistric sitting as dead money on their cap and, with Shea Theodore and Josh Manson knocking on the door, should be very motivated to move the Wiz since the team operates under an internal budget. (almost $19M in cap space).

    I seriously doubt they would be willing to take on any bad contracts like Nikitin or Purcell to make that kind of move since Anaheim has the best asset but I think it’s a deal the Oilers should explore in any case.

    One of the Oilers biggest issues is the lack of offensive production from the blue line and Wiz would certainly be an upgrade on that front.

    In a strange twist of fate…I’d bet the Ducks might take Justin Schultz in a swap for the Wiz who is a much better option for the Oilers for the next 2 seasons.

    The fans in Disneyland would also be in an uproar which has all sorts of entertainment value in it’s own right

    Something’s off with the Wiz stuff.

    He didn’t lose his job to the kids, he lost it to Stoner.

    Maybe Boudreau wanted more meat on the back end and Stoner is huge.

    So I guess you could say he was beat out of the “skill” Dmen spots by the kids if Bruce was going to play Stoner either way due to size.

    Combine this with the weird deadline trade from CBJ and you have to wonder if he has some personal issues.

  99. Showerhead says:

    Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker),

    Gordies Elbow,

    I think you guys are onto something here.

    The big fear is cap hell as a result of too many good players needing to get paid at once. There are a few strategies to avoid that and I think Chicago’s has been the best:

    Mid-tier guys have been cut away (constantly almost, starting with Dale Tallon’s mistakes) while the most important players have almost universally been kept. Hossa was a heck of a coup and then you add that to the Hawks’ defense and Toews and Kane on value deals and you’re cooking with dynamite.

    How?

    Value contracts like Keith, Toews and Kane, for one.

    Value contacts like Brandon Saad’s, for another. 4th among forwards in time on ice per game during the regular season for a cap hit of less than $1M.

    That’s terrific!

    And Edmonton’s contracts are nicely staggered.
    2018/19: McDavid’s 2nd contract begins.
    2019/20: Eberle’s 3rd
    2020/21: Hall’s 3rd
    2021/22: RNH’s 3rd.

    That looks pretty good. In terms of managing the “problem” of too many good players, I don’t mind this at all.

    How do you make it work? Just one excellent contract on a useful player like Brandon Saad would go a long way. Two would be magnificent, and then I imagine the returns decline – the more ELCs you have, the less experience on your roster.

    But the key is to dive headlong into the problem, keep the very best players, and then find value in other places on the roster.

    If they don’t break the bank on a goaltender and draft well (including this year and maybe even next!) and Edmonton looks a lot more like Chicago than Pittsburgh.

    We wait (with legitimate hope for once!)

  100. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I don’t think that decision is in the team’s hands. Marincin, like Horak and Hartikainien, is RFA. There’s nothing stopping him from signing with a Euro team, effectively cratering his immediate trade value.

    If his agent is smart he’ll hold that over the Oilers and demand a trade.

    He’s good enough for a NHL contract, teams called about him constantly last year.

    I don’t think he agent lets him bolt from the NHL, just from the Oilers.

  101. Showerhead says:

    HiddenDarts: Where art thou, o’ Manitoba Oak?

    In my backyard. Covered in a layer of snow.

    (Winnipeg’s May Long has not been tropical.)

  102. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Woodguy: Something’s off with the Wiz stuff.

    He didn’t lose his job to the kids, he lost it too Stoner.

    Maybe Boudreau wanted more meat on the back end and Stoner is huge.

    So I guess you could say he was beat out of the “skill” Dmen spots by the kids if Bruce was going to play Stoner either way due to size.

    Combine this with the weird deadline trade from CBJ and you have to wonder if he has some personal issues.

    No idea…but, on the surface at least, I think he would be a great replacement for Jultz in the lineup.

    If you can get some kind of asset for Jultz and pick up Wiz for basically nothing, you’re ahead of the game for the next 2 seasons and, of course, you’re not stuck with paying Jultz far more than he’s worth.

  103. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: Something’s off with the Wiz stuff.

    He didn’t lose his job to the kids, he lost it to Stoner.

    Maybe Boudreau wanted more meat on the back end and Stoner is huge.

    So I guess you could say he was beat out of the “skill” Dmen spots by the kids if Bruce was going to play Stoner either way due to size.

    Combine this with the weird deadline trade from CBJ and you have to wonder if he has some personal issues.

    I’ve read issues of personal stuff with Wiz and he has major health red flags.
    I think ANA went deep into the memory bank in trading for WIZ since he has last season there was very good.

  104. nelson88 says:

    Younger Oil:
    Just looking up the AHL playoff eligibility rules, and I believe the only reason Marincin was eligible to play in the playoffs was because the Oilers sent him and a few other players down on trade deadline day, for the sole purpose of making them eligible for the AHL playoffs.

    My question is, why wasn’t Klefbom on that list?

    Marincin was a lock for the Slovakian WHC, Klefbom arguably wasn’t for Sweden at the time of the trade deadline.

    I don’t get why Klefbom wasn’t in that group. Sure, it worked out well, but if he wasn’t selected by Sweden his season would have been over as soon as the Oilers’ 82nd game finished, and he’d be a huge help to the Barons in the playoffs.

    From that perspective, I can see why Marincin is pissed. Sure, he shouldn’t be pouting, but he has been getting shafted for the past year, and he and Klefbom should have been given equal treatment.

    They are basically saying that playing for Sweden is more important than playing for Slovakia, which would make me furious if I was a Slovakian.

    Agreed. I commented something similar when the trade deadline decisions were made and he was the only one sent down. Even without being a fly on the wall listening to the inner dynamics that was a pretty predictable outcome. Unfortunately the writing is on the wall w/r/t MM and our only hope is Chia brings back a decent return for him.

    Although MM needs to own a piece of his AHL performance that piece is pretty small in my opinion. in many ways MM’s handling is just a less egregious example of “challenging” your best d-man while you gift a Norris trophy to a guy with; apparently, zero give a shit factor and give Petry’s money (remember “they can’t all make $4M”) to a guy who couldn’t be bothered to show up to camp in shape. Good riddance MacT

  105. letmycamerongo says:

    Dashingsilverfox,
    Wiz was traded to ANA for a 2nd and a mediocre fwd prospect, and a Rene Bourque salery dump. Does the 33rd OV + a strong prospect like Platzer or Chase + maybe a Pitlick start a conversation. I dont mean to nickel and dime, but cleary he isn’t being used by them, and they presumably want to get rid of salery.

  106. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    Curious if there is a communication gap happening here , between agents and oilers mngt team. First conditioning and off season locale, now this…..man we’ve flushed so much talent it’s inexcusable.

    As someone else mentioned though, the player does own some of this. Amazing how a players attitude can be so mismanaged by the wrong agent, Chase is another one that’s got issues with self worth. A colleagues son played with him for 2 yrs on the Hitmen, and he was described as “not lacking any amount of vanity concerning his importance”.

    Agents must manage these young players, they all come from wide spectrums of personalities but few have ever not been cock of the walk prior to draft day.

    Damn it anyways, hope he’s just hurt.

  107. square_wheels says:

    Pouzar,

    Injuries have really piled up and his skating has always been meh. Dmen can fall off a cliff pretty fast if their injuries add up, suspect Wiz has lost a step.

  108. nelson88 says:

    letmycamerongo,

    Beachiman would be an interesting stop gap to help the kids develop. He’s getting long in the tooth and: prior to the McJesus changes I would have doubted there was interest but a bet I would take for reasonable money/term

  109. blainer says:

    Pouzar: Sail on Marty.

    Yup… Man the oilers .. Petry now this … hope he is just injured. MM is missing Nelson.

  110. BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1) says:

    book¡je: You should have just downloaded them.

    Ha! I just had a similar conversation with my youngest (15 yrs). She heard this cool song playing somewhere, used an app to figure out which song it was, and then bought it on iTunes.

    I heard that same song, at around the same time in my life, and instantly wanted to get a copy of it. So I set up my tape machine to record the local FM station, sat there listening to the station until I heard that song’s unmistakable intro drone, and then released the pause lever on the tape machine.

    After my allowance hit my pockets the following week, I got on my 10 speed and headed downtown to The Bay record department. One LP and a large malted shake pretty much used up the entire week’s pay.

    The song? Lunatic Fringe.

  111. blainer says:

    square_wheels:
    Lowetide,

    Curious if there is a communication gap happening here , between agents and oilers mngt team. First conditioning and off season locale, now this…..man we’ve flushed so much talent it’s inexcusable.

    As someone else mentioned though, the player does own some of this. Amazing how a players attitude can be so mismanaged by the wrong agent, Chase is another one that’s got issues with self worth. A colleagues son played with him for 2 yrs on the Hitmen, and he was described as “not lacking any amount of vanity concerning his importance”.

    Agents must manage these young players, they all come from wide spectrums of personalities but few have ever not been cock of the walk prior to draft day.

    Damn it anyways, hope he’s just hurt.

    Funny you should say that. Cleary was the same way.. Just full of himself and then woke up one day eating a mountain full of humble pie. He was lucky someone gave him one last chance he was 1st rounder and that helps.. Chase was picked in the last round and had better wake up or his chances will be no where the amount Cleary had..

  112. letmycamerongo says:

    nelson88,

    If he’s signable to something reasonable im all for it, but i suspect after a deep playoff run, someone would offer something dumber than us. Wow, before the lottery I wouldnt have imagined that possible. Things have changed. I no longer worry the Oilers are the dumbest guys in the room.

  113. Dashingsilverfox says:

    letmycamerongo:
    Dashingsilverfox,
    Wiz was traded to ANA for a 2nd and a mediocre fwd prospect, and a Rene Bourque salery dump. Does the 33rd OV + a strong prospect like Platzer or Chase + maybe a Pitlick start a conversation. I dont mean to nickel and dime, but cleary he isn’t being used by them, and they presumably want to get rid of salery.

    I really don’t think you have to offer all that much at acquire him when you look at Ducks’ depth chart and salary cap.

    He’s basically dead money at this point (as is Mark Fistric).

    With Shea Theodore and Josh Manson knocking on the door, Anaheim is going to need a place for them to play.

  114. rickithebear says:

    Pouzar:
    What about James Wisniewski for Purcell?
    JW had a monster year in 2013-2014 for the playoff bound Jackets.
    Was 8th in d-man scoring (51 pts in 75 games) while posting very good possession numbers
    in the big boy quadrant. He has 2 more years at 5.5 million but for next year that is a difference of 1 million for a nice little upgrade on the blue line.

    Wizniewski paired with a strong Box PK D is top 30 PKGA.

    With Above average goalie he is better than league average for 2nd comp EVGA.

    Wizniewski is one of the few D that justify being paid for PP time.
    he averages top 6 PPP

    At even he averages top 30 EVP

    I would much rather have him replacing Purcels $ for year 1 of 2 years facing 2nd comp than petry or Schultz.
    Better PP
    Better PKGA
    Better EVGA
    Better comp level.

  115. speeds says:

    If EDM were to do a deal involving, say, Nikitin and Wis, I wonder if they would look at retaining 2M of Nikitin’s money this year in order to get ANA to retain 1M for the next 2 years?

  116. Lowetide says:

    square_wheels:
    Lowetide,

    Curious if there is a communication gap happening here , between agents and oilers mngt team. First conditioning and off season locale, now this…..man we’ve flushed so much talent it’s inexcusable.

    As someone else mentioned though, the player does own some of this. Amazing how a players attitude can be so mismanaged by the wrong agent, Chase is another one that’s got issues with self worth. A colleagues son played with him for 2 yrs on the Hitmen, and he was described as “not lacking any amount of vanity concerning his importance”.

    Agents must manage these young players, they all come from wide spectrums of personalities but few have ever not been cock of the walk prior to draft day.

    Damn it anyways, hope he’s just hurt.

    I think the issue is this: The Oilers—rightly—want to maximize their players by making sure they follow conditioning guidelines and do their work in the offseason.

    Players—rightly—look at the Oilers with some skepticism in regard to how they conduct themselves. This organization, until very recently, were still doing the old timey ‘tear down a player and then build him back up’ crap from the 80s.

    It would not surprise me to find out that Edmonton’s reputation among European players is not a good one. Certainly men like Hartikainen and Horak were not of a mind to sign two-way deals, preferring to opt out of the organization.

  117. Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker) says:

    The other thing is if you lock down the core, you have most of the minutes eaten.
    You have to imagine the top two lines play at least 22min apiece.
    Hall CMD Yakupov
    Draisaitl RNH EBERLE

    A third line with lander and pouliot could eat 15min. That leaves like 1min for a 4th line. They just won’t be important. All could make less than 1million. So it seems to me that despite the huge costs of that fwd core, you can offset it fairly easily. Maybe you can find a cheaper player to replace pouliot as well.

    Hope we try to work with marincin. He doesn’t have the value he deserves right now imo.

  118. spoiler says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Glad you picked up on that…I gave it a lot of thought myself after looking at the Ducks D.

    The Ducks have both Wiz and Mark Fistric sitting as dead money on their cap and, with Shea Theodore and Josh Manson knocking on the door, should be very motivated to move the Wiz since the team operates under an internal budget. (almost $19M in cap space).

    I seriously doubt they would be willing to take on any bad contracts like Nikitin or Purcell to make that kind of move since Anaheim has the best asset but I think it’s a deal the Oilers should explore in any case.

    One of the Oilers biggest issues is the lack of offensive production from the blue line and Wiz would certainly be an upgrade on that front.

    In a strange twist of fate…I’d bet the Ducks might take Justin Schultz in a swap for the Wiz who is a much better option for the Oilers for the next 2 seasons.

    The fans in Disneyland would also be in an uproar which has all sorts of entertainment value in it’s own right

    I can’t tell you how enjoyable it is to read you when you post like a normal person.

  119. Gordies Elbow says:

    Lowetide: I think the issue is this: The Oilers—rightly—want to maximize their players by making sure they follow conditioning guidelines and do their work in the offseason.

    Players—rightly—look at the Oilers with some skepticism in regard to how they conduct themselves. This organization, until very recently, were still doing the old timey ‘tear down a player and then build him back up’ crap from the 80s.

    It would not surprise me to find out that Edmonton’s reputation among European players is not a good one. Certainly men like Hartikainen and Horak were not of a mind to sign two-way deals, preferring to opt out of the organization.

    I dpnt’ think that it is reputation, even with the poor teams Edmonton has iced. I think that the coaching has been a big deal (as evidenced by Gunnar Svensson’s text regarding Lander)

    As to MM drawing out tonight – I’d bet that it is due to injury. He bailed on a play earlier in the series (didn’t step into a hit to cross the red line, iced the puck, then scored against.) Attitude or not, reflex for any defender is to make the line, or pin to the boards. He did neither. If he’s thinking of the injury, that would make sense.

    Separated shoulder?

  120. Pouzar says:

    spoiler: I can’t tell you how enjoyable it is to read you when you post like a normal person.

    Now you’ve gone and done it. 😛

  121. Dashingsilverfox says:

    spoiler: I can’t tell you how enjoyable it is to read you when you post like a normal person.

    You just did 🙂

  122. Lowetide says:

    Eric (10 wins) ‏@ericrsports 18m18 minutes ago

    Frans Tuohimaa has signed a contract with Leksand IF of the Swedish Allsvenskan.

    And we`re off.

  123. spoiler says:

    book¡je: You should have just downloaded them.

    That is one kick-ass 8 track machine.

  124. book¡je says:

    spoiler: That is one kick-ass 8 track machine.

    I have to wedge a folded over cigarette package under it to get more than 10 MB/s.

  125. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    If EDM were to do a deal involving, say, Nikitin and Wis, I wonder if they would look at retaining 2M of Nikitin’s money this year in order to get ANA to retain 1M for the next 2 years?

    Fack. That’s a great idea.

  126. spoiler says:

    I think, w.r.t. The Wiz, that Howson my have some inside knowledge there.

    On-ice, he’s an attractive pick-up, certainly an upgrade over Schultz, and looks to be bargain basement.

    But CBJ went out of their way to trade him. He didn’t want to leave, even submitting his NTC list in a manner that made it nearly impossible to trade him. And they still did.

    Those smoke signals might be coming from an off-ice tire fire.

    I like the idea (speeds’ neat proposal), but we need to know more.

  127. Traktor says:

    Martin Marincin has 3 goals, 10 points in 56 AHL games over the last 2 seasons. That’s not dominating. Not even close.

    Now granted Brad Hunt has 51 points in 62 games and didn’t look like an NHLer when he was called up so there is obviously more to being an NHL defensemen than points but Marincin should be producing a lot more in the AHL.

    Oscar Klefbom had 8 points in 9 games and then boom looked like a real difference maker when he was called up. Looked fantastic in the worlds too.

  128. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: Fack. That’s a great idea.

    I suggested Purcell cause I think he has more value to ANA than NN.
    They are loaded on D and Purcell can play up and down the lineup.
    Heck he wouldn’t look out of place with Perry/Getzlaf imo.

  129. spoiler says:

    book¡je: I have to wedge a folded over cigarette package under it to get more than 10 MB/s.

    If you use the foil cigarette wrapper to bridge the motherboard, you’ll double it. Old-school overclock.

  130. spoiler says:

    Pouzar: I suggested Purcell cause I think he has more value to ANA than NN.
    They are loaded on D and Purcell can play up and down the lineup.
    Heck he wouldn’t look out of place with Perry/Getzlaf imo.

    Either or, with speeds’ salary idea. Just not sure on Wizzer.

  131. Woodguy says:

    Dashingsilverfox: No idea…but, on the surface at least, I think he would be a great replacement for Jultz in the lineup.

    If you can get some kind of asset for Jultz and pick up Wiz for basically nothing, you’re ahead of the game for the next 2 seasons and, of course, you’re not stuck with paying Jultz far more than he’s worth.

    I agree with that for sure.

    If Wiz can stay healthy (big if lately) he’s a good NHL Dman who can pass and skate the puck out quickly.

    He shouldn’t cost too much.

    I don’t think ANA takes Jultz though. Bet you could trade him to COL though. They really only have 2 good NHL Dmen right now. Couple good kids coming, but they’re kids.

  132. spoiler says:

    Traktor: Now granted Brad Hunt has 51 points in 62 games and didn’t look like an NHLer when he was called up so there is obviously more to being an NHL defensemen than points but Marincin should be producing a lot more in the AHL.

    If Hunt isn’t there and Slim’s PP time goes up, do his numbers improve?

    Not that I disagree entirely. I had expected his numbers to be better.

    I also think there’s a disconnect between the player and the org, and that’s usually on both parties.

    I trust Nelson’s read on Dmen though and expect he was used in the role Nelly thought most appropriate.

  133. lance says:

    I can’t help but wonder if MM’s attitude issues have something to do with Dr. Rexall’s special training regiment. Baseball lost me in the 90’s and I really wonder if hockey is just better at hiding than was the MLB. I can’t remeber the last time someone in hockey got caught.

    It’s the only thing to me that really begins to make any sense.

  134. Traktor says:

    Younger Oil:
    .

    They are basically saying that playing for Sweden is more important than playing for Slovakia, which would make me furious if I was a Slovakian.

    Or maybe its because Klefbom >>>> Marincin?

    We can talk about MacT, or Eakins, or any other dumb decision maker in the org that could be responsible for this or that but lets not pretend the MM and Klefbom are equal talents.

  135. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: I agree with that for sure.

    If Wiz can stay healthy (big if lately) he’s a good NHL Dman who can pass and skate the puck out quickly.

    He shouldn’t cost too much.

    I don’t think ANA takes Jultz though. Bet you could trade him to COL though. They really only have 2 good NHL Dmen right now. Couple good kids coming, but they’re kids.

    Yep. I think Philly, Carolina, possibly even Pittsburgh might be interested too.

  136. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Pouzar: I suggested Purcell cause I think he has more value to ANA than NN.
    They are loaded on D and Purcell can play up and down the lineup.
    Heck he wouldn’t look out of place with Perry/Getzlaf imo.

    Anaheim depth on LW:

    Maroon

    Beleskey

    Cogliano

    Etem

    Jiri Sekac

    Maroon is signed for 3 more seasons at a sweet $2M/season and has 7P in 10 playoff games.

    Beleskey is UFA but I’d bet the Ducks re-sign him.

    I don’t think either Cogliano or Etem are going anywhere.

    Purcell’s $4.5M would be pretty steep for a player the Ducks don’t need.

  137. misfit says:

    LT,

    Did I miss the “Chiarelli in a Box” post or is that just for coaches?

  138. letmycamerongo says:

    Pouzar,

    Purcell at a lower cap hit i think is a very attractive nhl option for a lot of teams, and it seems like our fwd core could survive without him. Im all for this move.

  139. Pouzar says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Anaheim depth on LW:

    Maroon

    Beleskey

    Cogliano

    Etem

    Jiri Sekac

    Maroon is signed for 3 more seasons at a sweet $2M/season and has 7P in 10 playoff games.

    Beleskey is UFA but I’d bet the Ducks re-sign him.

    I don’t think either Cogliano or Etem are going anywhere.

    Purcell’s $4.5M would be pretty steep for a player the Ducks don’t need.

    Purcell can play both wings.
    The salary is moot in the context of this discussion as he would be traded for 2 years of Wiz.

  140. spoiler says:

    letmycamerongo:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    Wiz was traded to ANA for a 2nd and a mediocre fwd prospect, and a Rene Bourque salery dump. Does the 33rd OV + a strong prospect like Platzer or Chase + maybe a Pitlick start a conversation. I dont mean to nickel and dime, but cleary he isn’t being used by them, and they presumably want to get rid of salery.

    By this measure, shouldn’t the MTL 2nd alone be sufficient?

  141. letmycamerongo says:

    spoiler,

    I think the 33rd pick is fair value. May need a sweetener. Maybe not. My main point, is this is a move we can make now with out giving up much, and can potentially fill a big whole on our team:

    Klefbom Wisniewski
    Sekera Fayne
    Marincin Schultz
    Ference Nurse

    Crazy to think this is a possible D for next year?

  142. Lowetide says:

    misfit:
    LT,

    Did I miss the “Chiarelli in a Box” post or is that just for coaches?

    Working on it.

  143. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Pouzar: Purcell can play both wings.
    The salary is moot in the context of this discussion as he would be traded for 2 years of Wiz.

    I don’t think it’s moot at all to a budget team like the Ducks.

    They could easily move Wiz for a pick rather than take on a bad contract.

    The Ducks RW depth is:

    Perry

    Palmieri

    Silvferberg

    Jackman

    Noesen

    Purcell woundn’t replace any of them with the possible exception of Jackman and $4.5M is way too much for a 4th line winger who is softer than Charmin.

    Jackman’s cap hit is $700K.

  144. Dashingsilverfox says:

    spoiler: By this measure, shouldn’t the MTL 2nd alone be sufficient?

    I bet that would get it done.

    Maybe throw in the rights to Marincin if he bolts.

  145. Optimism is Foolish says:

    If we see picks moved out then i would prefer to see long term pieces come back not just a season or two.

    Rangers have what we want in Talbot and Stall …. a solid bet (ty woodguy) in net and a top pair D on a reasonable long term contract. Now what does it take to get this done, I would suggest the conversation starts with the 16 pick and a roster player on a good contract.

  146. Pouzar says:

    Dashingsilverfox: They could easily move Wiz for a pick rather than take on a bad contract.

    If they could do this the whole convo is moot.
    Not saying they couldn’t. Gotta be some teams needing to get to cap floor and Wiz is a good player.

  147. Pouzar says:

    Dashingsilverfox: I bet that would get it done.

    Maybe throw in the rights to Marincin if he bolts.

    I don’t take the Wiz gamble unless we are moving out at least a year’s worth of equivalent salary for him. Too much injury history there.

  148. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Without the Philadelphia Flyers the NHL would be so much more boring.So many puzzling decisions in the last 15 years.

    Although I don’t mind a rookie coach.A rookie GM hiring a rookie coach on the other hand I do mind.

    Ron Hextall had a long NHL apprenticeship as an assistant GM for two different organizations. Hakstol has 3 times the head coaching experience of Dallas Eakins. Eakins was the most inexperienced head coaching hire in the NHL in over a decade. And well, MacT was the most inexperienced GM hire in recent memory.

  149. square_wheels says:

    lance,

    It has to be happening, hockey can’t be excluded from what has become the norm in pro sports. Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is rampant, there’s no chance in hell hockey players somehow missed this opportunity.

  150. godot10 says:

    Woodguy:
    Chris Wescott @TheChrisWescott·19m 19 minutes ago
    Heading into game six tonight, the lone lineup change for the #OKCBarons is David Musil in, Martin Marincin out. #Oilers

    Not good.

    Gregor mentioned that Marincin didn’t want to go to OKC, but to the Worlds.

    A few accounts have him playing poorly.

    Not good.

    I think this young man is on his way out of the org.

    He needs to own some of this.

    Part of pro hockey is having to do what you’re told and not pout.

    Not sure if he’s pouting, but if he’s not killing the AHL he’s either injured or not trying very hard.

    Why should the player return respect if no respect is given by the management and the previous coach?

    MacT and Eakins publicly trashed the player, and treated him unfairly by playing favorites. Martin Marincin is an honourable heart and soul guy. Honourable is something that MacT no longer is, and well, Eakins is a dementor. Marincin waited a year to exact retribution on Jason Zucker for Zucker’s cheap hit on a fellow Slovak.

    The Oilers let Curtis Hamilton go to the Spengler Cup. If Marincin was asked to play in the Worlds, he should have been allowed to. But the Hamilton’s are friends with MacT.

    Old double standard MacT.

  151. leadfarmer says:

    Once again, the Ducks will probably find a taker for Wiz for a 3rd or 4th round pick. Why would they want to take on a bad contract?

  152. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Pouzar: I don’t take the Wiz gamble unless we are moving out at least a year’s worth of equivalent salary for him. Too much injury history there.

    The salary you move out is Justin Schultz.

    Wiz played 69 games this season (had a minor foot injury) and 75 games last season.

    He played a full 48 games in the lockout season and 75 games the season before that.

    If you can get a solid asset in moving Schultz and give up very little for Wiz I think you’re further ahead and Wiz has an absolute bomb from the point on the PP, something the Oilers are sorely lacking.

  153. square_wheels says:

    spoiler,

    MM has a very reserved demeanour, he doesn’t seem to get too emotional, angry/crazy or even takes hack and slash penalties, he comes across as possibly torn between the dream of the NHL and the longing for home and comfort. There is undoubebly a player here , but when it comes to young folks a long long ways from home, God knows what’s going on emotionally (family or girlfriends back home). Even lifestyle, the difference between North America and Europe is polar opposite, adjusting sometimes never comes.

  154. letmycamerongo says:

    leadfarmer,

    Okay, so we do better and offer MTL’s 2nd and find a different way to dump NN’s contract. JW is a pretty good bet and his contract doesn’t interfere with us signing a McDavid extension

  155. Pouzar says:

    Dashingsilverfox: The salary you move out is Justin Schultz.

    Wiz played 69 games this season (had a minor foot injury) and 75 games last season.

    He played a full 48 games in the lockout season and 75 games the season before that.

    If you can get a solid asset in moving Schultz and give up very little for Wiz I think you’re further ahead and Wiz has an absolute bomb from the point on the PP, something the Oilers are sorely lacking.

    Yeah I read that pre-lockout season all wrong. Doesn’t look as bad now.
    But I have my doubts they take the prodigal son back. Either way if Wiz can be shipped off
    for draft picks that has to be option 1 for them imo.

    I actually read rumors that Cam Fowler was available at the deadline. Smoke? Fire?

    EDIT: You weren’t advocating Jultz to ANA. Gotcha.

  156. square_wheels says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    I could get behind this as it costs us little in assets and dumping Schultz’s expected contract will surely occur under Chia. Does Wiz lose his NMC from the Jackets dealing him ?

    Wiz likely has 2 decent years left in him, if we miss Green he could be the answer. I still go back to Spurgeon though, paired with Klef or another LHD that can play the stay at home type.

    What does Oduya smell like when we look close ?

  157. Pouzar says:

    Paul Almeida retweeted
    Sportsnet ‏@Sportsnet 4m4 minutes ago
    BREAKING: #Oilers to name Todd McLellan as new head coach:
    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-to-name-todd-mclellan-new-head-coach/

  158. Pouzar says:

    square_wheels:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    I could get behind this as it costs us little in assets and dumping Schultz’s expected contract will surely occur under Chia. Does Wiz lose his NMC from the Jackets dealing him ?

    Wiz likely has 2 decent years left in him, if we miss Green he could be the answer. I still go back to Spurgeon though, paired with Klef or another LHD that can play the stay at home type.

    What does Oduya smell like when we look close ?

    Wiz actually does very well in a 2nd comp role and wouldn’t need the sheltering a Green would while supplying nice offense.

  159. commonfan14 says:

    If the #16 does get traded, I hope it gets a proper send-off with a “Sail on” post.

  160. square_wheels says:

    godot10,

    I want to see more of those elbows out of him, it was way dirty but we had a long chat last night on the value of players who other teams hate.

    I’ve concluded he’s had it with the org and Chia came too late and possibly can’t save him from the inevitable.

    I woke up so positive today, I sure hope we’re all in a rabbit hole over an injury scratch and Chia ignores MacT’s bullshit.

  161. russ99 says:

    Yes!!!!

    From Lowe – MacT – Eakins – only 3 NHL centers to Nicholson – Chiarelli – McLellan – McDavid in a little over 5 months. 😀

    We’re living in rare times.

  162. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Pouzar: Yeah I read that pre-lockout season all wrong. Doesn’t look as bad now.
    But I have my doubts they take the prodigal son back. Either way if Wiz can be shipped off
    for draft picks that has to be option 1 for them imo.

    I actually read rumors that Cam Fowler was available at the deadline. Smoke? Fire?

    EDIT: You weren’t advocating Jultz to ANA. Gotcha.

    I saw those Fowler rumours too…not sure what’s going on there since he’s signed for 3 more seasons at a very nice $4M cap hit.

    The Ducks are going to have to do something to make room for Josh Manson and Shea Theodore though.

    After the end of the WHL season, Theodore played 9 games with Norfolk of the AHL and scored 4 goals and 11points.

    Pretty tough to hold that kind of talent down for long.

  163. square_wheels says:

    Pouzar,

    Yup something about Green getting pushed below Niskanen indicates an inability to consistently manage 2nd pairing all situation minutes. And I’ve never scene Niskanen that well, so I’m scared we get a player in decline and needing shelter(which is fine for 2nds) but costs near 1st pairing.

  164. Pouzar says:

    square_wheels:
    Pouzar,

    Yup something about Green getting pushed below Niskanen indicates an inability to consistently manage 2nd pairing all situation minutes. And I’ve never scene Niskanen that well, so I’m scared we get a player in decline and needing shelter(which is fine for 2nds)but costs near 1st pairing.

    Yup and Wiz would be less years than what Green will command in UFA.

  165. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Acquire Wiz, Sekera, Matthias and an above average goalie…dump Schultz, Nikitin and possibly Purcell and you’re good to go.

  166. Marc says:

    Lowetide: I think the issue is this: The Oilers—rightly—want to maximize their players by making sure they follow conditioning guidelines and do their work in the offseason.

    Players—rightly—look at the Oilers with some skepticism in regard to how they conduct themselves. This organization, until very recently, were still doing the old timey ‘tear down a player and then build him back up’ crap from the 80s.

    It would not surprise me to find out that Edmonton’s reputation among European players is not a good one. Certainly men like Hartikainen and Horak were not of a mind to sign two-way deals, preferring to opt out of the organization.

    Arcobello got sent down in arguably unfair circumstances. He didn’t complain, he just killed it in the AHL. He was rewarded with one way contract and a NHL the following season.

    Same with Lander. He went down, killed it and won his coaches trust, then got rewarded with a great opportunity in the big leagues later in the season. Hunt dominates the AHL, and got a decent look in the NHL. Pakarinen looked great as an AHL rookie, and got his chance in NHL after just 39 games.

    There’s no mystery to what the Oilers are asking their prospects to do. I think it’s hard to criticise an approach that tells players that if they work hard and dominate at this level, they will eventually get a fair shot at the next one.

    Marincin hasn’t really dominated the AHL in any of his stints, and the same coach who went to bat for Lander has talked about him needing to improve his battle. If the player doesn’t understand what the organisation is asking him (like Yak under Eakins), that’s on the team. But it’s clear what the player has to do, and he just doesn’t, then a big part of that’s on the player.

  167. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Marc,

    Don’t forget Lander’s agent said last week that Lander would have signed in Sweden if Eakins was still the coach and you have to think MacT would have been a factor too.

    I would imagine the decision to tell Marincin he was going to the AHL instead of the World’s was made by MacT.

  168. AsiaOil says:

    Two wasted years and a god awful mess on defense is what MacT and Eakins left – only the golden lotto ticket of McDavid and Nicholson’s audit saved this from turning into a full dumpster fire this summer. Respect and accountability is a two-way street. Sure MM needs to own some of this – but we are talking about people not robots – and the Lowe/MacT/Eakins created an absolutely toxic environment for the non-chosetites. That said – let’s turn too the positive:

    NJD’s roster is a total mess at forward but they have some dmen of the right age. I want Larsson and would be willing to put #16 or potentially Yakopov in play. Would Shultz and #16 be enough for Larsson? Yak would likely be a good fit in NJD but would they do him for Larsson straight up? Maybe Yak and Purcell for Larsson and Ruutu since NJD has plenty of centers. There may be a deal there but it’s not obvious to me.

    Right now Eberle is a better player than Yak – no question – but Nail is 4 years younger and plays with more of an edge that will be necessary in the playoffs. I have a feeling that Eberle could be shut down in the playoffs when the going gets really heavy, but Nail might be able to fight through. Best case scenario is to put Yak in a position to succeed in a top 6 role this season to see what we have because it doesn’t make sense from a hockey or contract perspective to have both Eberle and Yak in the top 6. We actually need a RW version of Pouliot to put along-side CMD and Taylor Hall and there are option in the UFA pool this year. If we were sure about Yak being top line material then I would trade Eberle for a dman now since his value is high. But we are not sure about Yak and it won’t be any clearer next season playing him on the 4th line so this is a difficult situation.

    As for Wiz – sure if we can trade NN for him straight up that works for me and it saves both term and dollars for ANA. Then trade Shultz to a team like COL as Wiz would take him minutes. Lots on Chia’s plate this summer and next – and he needs to make smart incremental moves to repair the damage MacT did on defense. No big wins necessary – just a series of small moves in the right direction. Two dmen and a goalie is a big shopping list – but we don’t need to solve the problem 100% this season – we just need to get better and not destroy the cap doing it.

  169. theres oil in virginia says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Don’t forget Lander’s agent said last week that Lander would have signed in Sweden if Eakins was still the coach and you have to think MacT would have been a factor too.

    I don’t think that’s precisely what he said (and I thought it was the national team coach rather than Lander’s agent, but whatever). I think he was saying that if Eakins was still coach, Lander would never have gotten a legitimate chance, and therefore would not have broken through, and therefore would have signed in Europe. That, at least, is how I read it.

  170. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    AsiaOil,

    Larsson turned a corner after DeBoer’s firing in an even more impressive way than Yakupov did after Eakins’ firing. #16 AND Yakupov may get the conversation going now, in my opinion, but the time to trade for Larsson was LAST offseason, which I kept hoping MacT was reading this blog’s comments section. A big RHD was just what the doctor ordered. That ship has sailed.

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