OILERS SIGN MILLER AND HUNT

Peter Chiarelli’s Oilers are taking care of business these days, locking down their AHL veterans who could emerge as NHL options. Andrew Miller showed well in his first NHL audition this year (scoring 1-5-6 in 9 games) and had a strong year in OKC (63GP, 27-33-60). Hunt is an impact player in the AHL (62GP, 19-32-51) and also had an extended run in the NHL (12GP, 1-1-2) this year. Hunt was among the league’s best in power-play assists, both in the regular season (No. 11) and in the regular schedule (No. 2).

No word from the Oilers but these are likely to be two-way deals and will probably be in the same range as one year ago—$675,000 on the NHL end for Miller, $550,000 for Hunt (source: NHLNumbers). Two weeks ago, I suggested both Miller and Hunt should be re-signed and for me this gives the Bakersfield team more of a foundation while also giving Edmonton two legit recalls. It’s also true that all remaining RFA’s are a little closer to the door with these two added (there are only so many slots available, and we know a goalie and McDavid are going to be added for sure).

CURRENT 50-MAN LIST FOR 2015-15

  1. G Ben Scrivens (suspect he’ll return in a backup role)
  2. G Laurent Brossoit (AHL starter and plenty of opportunity to move up)
  3. G Eetu Laurikainen (new hire)
  4. D Nikita Nikitin (No. 1 candidate for buy out to my eye)
  5. D Mark Fayne (One of the few names the new coach can count on)
  6. D Andrew Ference (5-6-7D likely role for coming season)
  7. D Oscar Klefbom (I think McLellan may play him in lesser role, that would be ideal)
  8. D Darnell Nurse (I don’t see a way to keep him off the big club in 15-16)
  9. D Brad Hunt (He’ll see NHL time)
  10. D Jordan Oesterle (Oilweb had a feature on him training hard this summer. Oil love that stuff)
  11. D Dillon Simpson (It’ll be fun to see how much he improves in year two)
  12. D David Musil (Chiarelli employed Adam McQuaid. Musil will be fine)
  13. D Ben Betker (May need to spend some time in the ECHL if it gets crowded)
  14. D Joey Laleggia (Can learn plenty from Hunt and Oesterle in Bakersfield)
  15. D Martin Gernat (I don’t know if Chiarelli knows him, forgotten man)
  16. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (All this fuss and Nuge just waiting to be brilliant)
  17. C Anton Lander (Important player for 15-16)
  18. C Boyd Gordon (veteran could be trade bait by deadline if things break right)
  19. C Leon Draisaitl (Man amongst boys in Memorial Cup)
  20. C Bogdan Yakimov (Shoulder aside, strong season)
  21. C Jujhar Khaira (Solid checker, offense may keep him from NHL career)
  22. C Travis Ewanyk (Not enough offense, we knew it draft day)
  23. C Kyle Platzer (newly signed) (Suspect he’ll play in Bakersfield next season)
  24. L Taylor Hall (Fantastic WHC’s saved a poor season by his standards)
  25. L Benoit Pouliot (A rugged winger with skill, brilliant hire by MacT)
  26. L Matt Hendricks (Had a wonderful year, can he do it again?)
  27. L Luke Gazdic (His roster spot could be vulnerable)
  28. L Ryan Hamilton (he’ll be the veteran hand in the  minors helping to guide the kids)
  29. L Anton Slepyshev (I ranked him No. 8 in my latest top 20)
  30. L Mitch Moroz (Will need to spike in a lot of areas next year)
  31. L Kale Kessy (He looked like he’d taken a step forward before injury)
  32. R Jordan Eberle (Fun watching him score at the WHC’s)
  33. R Nail Yakupov  (I have absolutely no idea how this will go)
  34. R Teddy Purcell (I think he’ll be back, speed only real issue)
  35. R Rob Klinkhammer (Signed for next season, may have competition for his job)
  36. R Iiro Pakarinen (I think he is going to make the team and have an impact)
  37. R Andrew Miller (A strong option for NHL time in 2015-16)
  38. R Greg Chase (I’m still bewildered by his draft number)

PLAYERS WHO COULD STILL BE SIGNED

  1. C Derek Roy (UFA, Chiarelli still thinking. I don’t think it happens, one of the reasons I’m wondering about Yak)
  2. R John McCarron (No indication either way, deadline this summer)
  3. L Daniil Zharkov (no idea about his signing restrictions but team does own his rights. Doubt he is signed)

The Roy non-signing—if it comes to that—leaves Nail Yakupov a little out in the cold. It’s too early to read anything into things but it’s something for us to keep in mind as we move forward to the draft.

RFA’S

  1. G Tyler Bunz (Oil will upgrade, leave Bunz behind)
  2. D Justin Schultz (one of the first major tests for Chiarelli. Trade or one-year with a cut in pay and TOI ideal)
  3. D Martin Marincin (management put little value on him before Chiarelli and McLellan. Does that change?)
  4. D Brandon Davidson (The one AHL guy I’m certain they’ll sign)
  5. D Keith Aulie (Oilers may want to sign him, suspect the team will ponder him as a 7D)
  6. C Kellen Lain (He’s bloody huge. Unlikely to sign)
  7. L Matt Fraser (I think the need for speed probably seals his fate. Slepy signing could impact decision here)
  8. L Curtis Hamilton (The Slepyshev signing puts him 3L in AHL, meaning No. 8 on LW depth chart. Think he’s gone)
  9. R Tyler Pitlick (Do the Oilers bring him back again? It’s going to be close)

I would guess that Schultz, Davidson, Aulie and Pitlick get signed, with the rest being sent away. Martin Marincin is absolutely in trouble as an Oiler, if I’m honest with you it’s doubtful he plays again with the Oilers. Today’s moves, coming before a Marincin signing, suggest the club will move him before the decision on contract is made. It’s also possible the player has decided to sign in Europe for a season or more.

PROJECTED CONDORS ROSTER

  1. G Laurent Brossoit. He should be the 1G and this is his time to shine.
  2. G Eetu Laurikainen. A terrific bet, got lost in the excitement.
  3. G Ty Rimmer. Depth signing, but he keeps hanging around. Not on 50-man.
  4. D Darnell Nurse. I’m not sure he plays in Bakersfield, we’ll see how the summer rolls.
  5. D Brad Hunt. Condors get a substantial AHL player.
  6. D Jordan Oesterle. College man now has experience, lordy he can wheel.
  7. D David Musil. Should be a big part of the Condors blue next year.
  8. D Dillon Simpson. Turned a corner later in the season, will build on it.
  9. D Martin Gernat. I have no idea where he’s going to end up.
  10. D Ben Betker. Big and has speed, a fun combination.
  11. D Joey Laleggia. Highly skilled, should get PP time in 2015-16.
  12. C Leon Draisaitl. Suspect he’s an Oiler but I’ll list him here.
  13. C Bogdan Yakimov. I can’t wait to see his year over year progress, encouraging rookie year.
  14. C Jujhar Khaira Looks like he has a future as a checking C.
  15. C Kyle Platzer He’ll push his way up the depth chart.
  16. C Travis Ewanyk Tough checker who will probably play a big role in PK department.
  17. C Alexis Loiseau. AHL deal. He’s 21, 6.01, 180, he scored 96 points in 68 QMJHL games.
  18. L Ryan Hamilton He’ll be the veteran hand in the  minors helping to guide the kids.
  19. L Anton Slepyshev. Recently signed and very skilled. He should impact the AHL in 2015-16.
  20. L Kale Kessy. He was emerging as an AHL regular when injured, should build on that in 2015-16.
  21. L Mitch Moroz. Didn’t get close to enough at-bats this season.
  22. L Connor Rankin. Bakersfield signing, scored 32 in the WHL.
  23. L Braden Christoffer. Tough winger with skill, 5.10. Bakersfield signing.
  24. R Andrew Miller. He’ll be relied on as an offensive option, could see plenty of time in NHL.
  25. R Iiro Pakarinen. Should be a quality AHL regular in 2015-16, could get called up.
  26. R Greg Chase. Really looking forward to seeing his progress next year.

 

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82 Responses to "OILERS SIGN MILLER AND HUNT"

  1. Ben says:

    What do you know about Yak that we don’t know?

    But seriously – why was it that he seemed to click better with Roy than with the superior RNH?

  2. Pouzar says:

    Maybe LT knew this all along:

    “Oilers not expected to retain free agent Derek Roy:”

    http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/777337

  3. RexLibris says:

    I had daydreamed a trade of Yakupov and Marincin for Hamilton and Subban in the previous thread (tongue in cheek, I don’t think Neely is that dumb), but I do start to wonder whether he’ll be moved along this summer to a team that likes his cap hit and feels he can be unlocked for a player they already believe they have sussed out.

  4. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar:
    Maybe LT knew this all along:

    “Oilers not expected to retain free agent Derek Roy:”

    http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/777337

    He’s an Oilers insider now.

    After all those years of chasing Stu MacGregor he was secretly currying favour with Bob Green and now he’s got his man in Havana.

  5. mujidog says:

    Yakupov was not developed properly. At all. That’s on management.
    But if – 3 years into his pro career – the only center he can play with (or that he can think that he can play with) is Derek Roy, then he’s not a very useful player. That’s on him.

  6. misfit says:

    Confidence is everything with a player like Yakupov, and if he feels better playing with Roy than Nuge, I could see it having a big difference in the results.

    With that said, I felt like he and Leon had some really good chemistry early in the year and preseason, and the only reason they didn’t have better results was mostly luck. Style-wise, I still believe they are a good fit together and would like to see them develop that further.

  7. SinceTheWHADays says:

    Personally I have visions or Yakapov being a trailer on a line with Hall and McDavid ala Paul Coffey.

  8. blainer says:

    Derek Roy was never gonna be a Chia type player and I for one agree.. Very happy about this as he was too small and too weak in the Dzone.. Good move.. Chia may have his eyes on Soderburg..

  9. John Chambers says:

    misfit,

    You make some good points.

    A major problem over the past few years has been several inexperienced / incomplete players bring forced to play with one another – meaning players weren’t in a position to receive mentorship on ice. Yakupov would be playing with Gagner, or Nuge, or Draisaitl.

  10. GCW_69 says:

    I don’t like the Hunt signing at all. This is a team that is likely to be thin on quality roster players in the fall and having a spot or two open for the waiver wire at the end of training camp is a good thing. Oilers should third pick in the waiver wire, so they need to take advantage.

  11. Woodguy says:

    Aulie?

    On a roster full of 5/6/7 and Davidson needing waivers I fail to see any reason Chiarelli would offer him a contract.

  12. BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1) says:

    Bishop has made some awkward moves so far.

  13. Pouzar says:

    RexLibris: He’s an Oilers insider now.

    After all those years of chasing Stu MacGregor he was secretly currying favour with Bob Green and now he’s got his man in Havana.

    The real insider, Mr. Hockeybuzz , has a rumor of Eberle to NSH for a d-man plus prospect.

  14. Snowman says:

    Pouzar,

    I think he goes with a quantity approach. If you put out enough “rumors” eventually you’ll get one right. My Grandpa had a phrase for this… even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

    Mr. Hockeybuzz is still looking.

  15. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Aulie?

    On a roster full of 5/6/7 and Davidson needing waivers I fail to see any reason Chiarelli would offer him a contract.

    Aulie can slide through waivers no problem. As for Davidson, I’m not as certain he makes the team as a bunch of people seem to be. The 7D on this team may be making north of $3M, and there’s more than one candidate.

  16. BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1) says:

    I spent almost an entire summer playing roller hockey, and concur with Connor – that really works your skating muscles. When you hit the ice again, it’s like being set free.

    And I’m a chugger.

    Then Strome with a good line about his fav player.

  17. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    North of 3m, dumped by current GM due to high miles and our current captain.

    Man, it’s gonna hurt but we must make the legendary 3 for 1 to ever compete or swap one of Ebs or Yakcity.

    Godammit MacT, I can’t forgive you for Petry.

  18. square_wheels says:

    BOLD OVER (5-14-6-1),

    Seeing old Grapes with the top kids ……I’ve never been so excited to be an Oilers fan. Both my kids wore their new jerseys to school today to start taunting the Flames kids about what we’ve dubbed Connor McDavid day in our house.

    It’s a Festivus Miracle !!

  19. flyfish1168 says:

    JMHO. I believe Roy helped Yak but I do believe getting rid of eakins helped just as much if not more. Yak maybe able to strut his stuff with a new and MORE knowledgeable coach in Todd. We drafted Yak for his scoring abilities, eakins tried to change the player he is not. Yak has more confidence now so just maybe he can find a new level with another centerman.

  20. blainer says:

    Watching the interviews with grapes and while it is TV Eichel does not look much bigger to me than CMD. I thought that Strome was for sure.. Would have liked to see Crouse standing next to those guys.

  21. rickithebear says:

    Yakupov junior age nhle said 42 EVP
    Under krueger 36 evp season pace.
    Under eakins and nelson (Roy) 21 evp season paces.

    Junior age nhle says
    Hall 54 actual 51
    Eberle 36 actual 41
    RNH 38 actual 38

  22. rickithebear says:

    Petry had amazingly bad luck having all those goals scored on his side of the ice.

  23. knighttown says:

    Can we just agree on something real quick? When Pete says his team needs to play a heavier game, he means Hossa heavy not Lucic heavy right? So insanely strong on his stick.

    This draft has 5 large wingers whose best comparables are Hossa.

    Rantanen, Zacha, Crouse, Svechnikov and Meier.

    Talk about rounding out our top 6.

  24. Lowetide says:

    knighttown:
    Can we just agree on something real quick?When Pete says his team needs to play a heavier game, he means Hossa heavy not Lucic heavy right? So insanely strong on his stick.

    This draft has 5 large wingers whose best comparables are Hossa.

    Rantanen, Zacha, Crouse, Svechnikov and Meier.

    Talk about rounding out our top 6.

    Svechnikov is a monster from what we’re reading out of the combine.

  25. Henry says:

    mujidog:
    Yakupov was not developed properly. At all. That’s on management.
    But if – 3 years into his pro career – the only center he can play with (or that he can think that he can play with) is Derek Roy, then he’s not a very useful player. That’s on him.

    Yak did well with Horc.

    He will start this year with his fifth coach since junior. Who knows what he will be? I still think he may score 300 goals in the NHL. May as well be for the Oilers.

  26. square_wheels says:

    rickithebear,

    Where you going with this Ricki ?

  27. square_wheels says:

    Hedman ! Proof dmen need a couple years, beauty player.

  28. One-Timer says:

    knighttown:
    Can we just agree on something real quick?When Pete says his team needs to play a heavier game, he means Hossa heavy not Lucic heavy right? So insanely strong on his stick.

    This draft has 5 large wingers whose best comparables are Hossa.

    Rantanen, Zacha, Crouse, Svechnikov and Meier.

    Talk about rounding out our top 6.

    It’d be nice if our top 6 was rounded out by Slappy or Yak2 a la Kucherov and co. Out of nowhere they’ve become household names. Love their energetic cycle – they just skate like mad down there.

    Also, anybody up for an Omark-for-Hedman trade?
    He will get a Norris in the next few years. (Not Omark…)

  29. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/edmonton/Edmonton+Oilers+sign+pair+minor+leaguers/11118884/story.html#__federated=1

    “The Oilers have five restricted free agents to sign: Justin Schultz, Martin Marincin, Matt Fraser, Tyler Pitlick and Keith Aulie. Schultz (another one-year contract?) and Pitlick are givens. ”

    Schultz and Pitlick are givens?

    Schultz.

    And.

    Pitlick.

    Givens.

    Are?

  30. knighttown says:

    Lowetide: Svechnikov is a monster from what we’re reading out of the combine.

    I think the value in this years draft is in this group of 5. Some teams won’t be looking for this player type but because there’s so much of it a few might slide.

    Do we have any report on which of the 5 has the Hossa like motor?

  31. knighttown says:

    Stan Bowman choosing not to pay a second for Jeff Petry and instead giving it for Timonen might cost his team a Stanley. Oh well, they’ve got plenty.

  32. rickithebear says:

    square_wheels:
    rickithebear,

    Where you going with this Ricki ?

    Going?

    Hopefully we get a rd luckier at not getting goals scored on his side!

  33. rickithebear says:

    knighttown:
    Stan Bowman choosing not to pay a second for Jeff Petry and instead giving it for Timonen might cost his team a Stanley. Oh well, they’ve got plenty.

    Stan did not want to bring that bad luck to his right side D.

  34. Lowetide says:

    knighttown: I think the value in this years draft is in this group of 5. Some teams won’t be looking for this player type but because there’s so much of it a few might slide.

    Do we have any report on which of the 5 has the Hossa like motor?

    they all have great motors according to the reports.

  35. rickithebear says:

    knighttown: I think the value in this years draft is in this group of 5. Some teams won’t be looking for this player type but because there’s so much of it a few might slide.

    Do we have any report on which of the 5 has the Hossa like motor?

    Filip ahl june 97 .68 age nile
    6’4″ 210lb
    1.24 ppg superelit U20

  36. Rondo says:

    1. Connor McDavid
    2. Jack Eichel
    3. Dylan Strome
    4. Mitchell Marner
    5. Noah Hanifin
    6. Zacha
    7. Provorov
    8. Werenski
    9. Barzal
    10.Rantanen
    11 Crouse
    12.Kyle Connor
    13.Timo Meier
    14.Travis Konecny/ ColinWhite/Evgeny Svechnikov/Zboril
    15.Travis Konecny /ColinWhite/Evgeny Svechnikov/Roy
    16. Jakub Zboril/Svechnikov/Chabot/ White/Roy

  37. rickithebear says:

    Of the 3 russian junior forwards that scored like kovalchuk; Ovi; Malkin; Tarasenko.
    2 are know to play a good defensive game.

  38. flyfish1168 says:

    rickithebear: Stan did not want to bring that bad luck to his right side D.

    Talk about knowing how to over-hype a player that is 40 and didn’t play a single game coming off a very serious health issue. That is one area Mact failed us as a GM. Garth Snow should be in sales.

    Don Maloney hosed Stan Bowman also with Vermette. Not worth a 1st round in a deep draft. UFA and nothing to show for it

    Petry sure showed everyone that it was our system and not the player. Maybe Belov wouldn’t be bad thing to bring back.

  39. square_wheels says:

    rickithebear,

    Luck eh….

    How would one analyze players forced to play above their ability, and are then statistically punished by being force fed opposing top lines with shitty partners who are nowhere near top 4.

    I have an idea, trade them to a team with an actual top defensive core and watch as the new org falls in love with the player as they excel.

    But seriously, what teams force their D up the ladder only to watch them fail, promptly tossing them out the door ? Is there more Sekera’s, Stralman and pre-concussed Ehrhoff’s out there ? Is Mike Green that guy ?? Brent Burns is gushed over by many, but Minnesota flushed him’for less than an ideal return.

    Where you going Ricki ?? I was hinting that unless we want to tear off an Ebs or Yak we need to find these players, under valued by their orgs or late bloomers.

  40. Gordies Elbow says:

    Can the draft get here yet?

    #1: Connor McFrickinDavid
    #16: Meier, Svechnikov, or Roy
    #33: Carlo, Samsonov, or Juulsen
    #57: Spencer, Andersson, Vladar (if not Samsanov @ #33), or Nick Roy

    Wow.

    This draft could be a crazy one.

  41. Rondo says:

    Gordies Elbow,

    So many D in the low 30’s

    33- Roslovic , Senyshyn, Guryanov

    Juulsen, Dermott, Carlson,Larsson, Siegenthaler Carlo, Dunn, Meloche

    Samsonov

  42. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    The only players we should feel sorry for are (really nobody) guys who were hosed out of legit opportunities. Everyone else needs to make it. They are gladiators and some don’t, fair or not. Nobody hands you the keys to the mansion because you deserve it. If only life were that simple.

    If Yak as a 1 ov can’t cash that opportunity on an awful team, he didn’t have the right stuff, EOS.

  43. Ryan says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/edmonton/Edmonton+Oilers+sign+pair+minor+leaguers/11118884/story.html#__federated=1

    “The Oilers have five restricted free agents to sign: Justin Schultz, Martin Marincin, Matt Fraser, Tyler Pitlick and Keith Aulie. Schultz (another one-year contract?) and Pitlick are givens. ”

    Schultz and Pitlick are givens?

    Schultz.

    And.

    Pitlick.

    Givens.

    Are?

    Pitlick has some questions in terms of both offensive ability and health.

    Schultz suffers from being part of the trifecta of cap eating suck that is NSF.

  44. Gordies Elbow says:

    Rondo,

    I think Samsanov drops to 33. Good call to pick him up there (Russian Cary Price)

    If not, really like Carlo (who I think might go late 1st round with his size and right shot) or Juulsen. The fact that they’re both WHL defenders, and have good feet, makes me happy that Edmonton will likely get a good prospect early in the 2nd (if the pick isn’t traded for a developed player, that is.)

    Edmonton could come out of this draft with a #1 Franchise Centre, a top pairing winger or defender, and a starting goalie. And still have 6 picks left. Wow.

  45. Genjutsu says:

    Woodguy:
    Aulie?

    On a roster full of 5/6/7 and Davidson needing waivers I fail to see any reason Chiarelli would offer him a contract.

    I wouldn’t mind him as injury insurance. Just in case.

    If it means they don’t have to have a kid in as 7 D instead of getting mins someone needs to develope in Cali.

    You can never have too many Dmen.

  46. pocession charge says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Can the draft get here yet?

    #1: Connor McFrickinDavid
    #16: Meier, Svechnikov, or Roy
    #33: Carlo, Samsonov, or Juulsen
    #57: Spencer, Andersson, Vladar (if not Samsanov @ #33), or Nick Roy

    Wow.

    This draft could be a crazy one.

    So many great choices. If they walk away with McDavid (!), Svechnikov, Juulsen/Gurianov, and Vladar/Samsonov in the first two rounds, I would give this draft an A+. The fact that this is all possible is mind-boggling.

  47. OF17 says:

    This is a fantastic draft to trade down and grab as many players in the top 60 as possible. There just seems to be such fantastic quality available through the 2nd. Jeremy Roy being 29th on McKenzie’s list is incredible – as are Kylington at 24 and Chabot at 25. Beauvillier is at 44 for crying out loud! Dergachyov at 54, Andersson at 59, Vande Sompel at 63, Trenin and Korostelev 68-69, and Blake Speers 72, Filip Ahl outside the top 75. Good lord that’s a lot of talent available late. We’re already in a fantastic position to take advantage of it. I’d love to see that position strengthened further.

    MacT’s 2013 draft strategy really was the smart play. Yakimov, Slepyshev, Platzer, and Chase are arguably 4/5 of our best forward prospects. This year is an even better one for the shotgun “12 bullets in 1” approach to drafting skill. REALLY hope they go for it.

    Columbus has 10 picks this draft. Think they go for 16 + 117 for 34 + 38 + 58?

  48. LadiesloveSmid says:

    pocession charge: So many great choices.If they walk away with McDavid (!), Svechnikov, Juulsen/Gurianov, and Vladar/Samsonov in the first two rounds, I would give this draft an A+. The fact that this is all possible is mind-boggling.

    Edmonton will have a shot at one of

    Svechnikov, Crouse, Meier, Merkley, Konecny, Roy, Zacha, Kylington at 16. I don’t know much about White or Connor, but WOW what a nice spot to be in.

    I know a lot of people were unhappy about the Perron trade (and maybe he would’ve fit on McD’s wing), but the reality at the time was that Edmonton wasn’t going to compete next year and it didn’t seem like he wanted to be in Edmonton. A pick we expected to be ~25ish and it’s now in a great spot to pick a player that could potentially be an impact player in 2-3 years.

    I seem to flip player to player like I do every year, right now I’m riding the Meier train.

  49. Gordies Elbow says:

    OF17:

    Columbus has 10 picks this draft. Think they go for 16 + 117 for 34 + 38 + 58?

    I would do that without an afterthought, and I could see how that would be the best thing for Columbus, as well.

    Edmonton would pick #1, #33, #34, #38, #57, #58 in the first two rounds.

    Could you imagine:
    #1: Connor McYougottabekiddingme
    #33: Ilya Samsonov (G)
    #34: Noah Juulsen (RD)
    #38: Matt Spencer (RD)
    #57: Thomas Novak (C)
    #58: Gabriel Gagné (RW)

    And still have what, five picks in the draft?

  50. pocession charge says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Edmonton will have a shot at one of

    Svechnikov, Crouse, Meier, Merkley, Konecny, Roy, Zacha, Kylington at 16. I don’t know much about White or Connor, but WOW what a nice spot to be in.

    I know a lot of people were unhappy about the Perron trade (and maybe he would’ve fit on McD’s wing), but the reality at the time was that Edmonton wasn’t going to compete next year and it didn’t seem like he wanted to be in Edmonton. A pick we expected to be ~25ish and it’s now in a great spot to pick a player that could potentially be an impact player in 2-3 years.

    I seem to flip player to player like I do every year, right now I’m riding the Meier train. I think Lowe was on record saying he’d be a good fit in Edmonton.

    They’re all good — Connor and White, too. Meier would be the choice at 16 but I highly doubt he makes it past Boston or LA so I wouldn’t get too attached. Kylington is going to drop for ‘attitude issues’ and some team will get a second round steal. The Oilers will get an amazing player at 16 and my hope is Svechnikov. MacT got lucky with the return on Perron, that’s for sure. I’m not a Perron fan (I thought he was a puck hog) so wasn’t sad to see him go, but there is no way in hell anyone could expect that he would be replaced with Meier or Svechnikov. That’s an amazing stroke of luck.

  51. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Gordies Elbow: I would do that without an afterthought, and I could see how that would be the best thing for Columbus, as well.

    Edmonton would pick #1, #33, #34, #38, #57, #58 in the first two rounds.

    Could you imagine:
    #1: Connor McYougottabekiddingme
    #33: Ilya Samsonov (G)
    #34: Noah Juulsen (RD)
    #38: Matt Spencer (RD)
    #57: Thomas Novak (C)
    #58: Gabriel Gagné (RW)

    And still have what, five picks in the draft?

    is 11 picks a great idea?

    Edmonton has 6 signed from 2013, with 2 in college. That seems like the upper limit. Do you aim for a little amount of quality picks in a less deep draft next year? 11 picks, and say 8 successful picks that you sign is a lot for the 50 man list and the AHL team, no?

  52. John Chambers says:

    Sure this is a deep draft, but it’s not so deep to pencil 2nd round picks into the lineup in 3-4 years.

    There will be some gems in there for sure, but picking four times in the 2nd round means you’ll get one decent player and one fringe NHL player, while two other guys are dust.

    While it’s exciting to watch a nice prospect pool bubble under, my guess is that Chiarelli is active shopping 16, 33, and 57 for players to fill out the major league roster.

  53. OF17 says:

    Gordies Elbow: I would do that without an afterthought, and I could see how that would be the best thing for Columbus, as well.

    Edmonton would pick #1, #33, #34, #38, #57, #58 in the first two rounds.

    Could you imagine:
    #1: Connor McYougottabekiddingme
    #33: Ilya Samsonov (G)
    #34: Noah Juulsen (RD)
    #38: Matt Spencer (RD)
    #57: Thomas Novak (C)
    #58: Gabriel Gagné (RW)

    And still have what, five picks in the draft?

    That would be a fantastic result. I’d probably choose a few different players, particularly Spencer at 38, but nonetheless, it would stock the cupboards in a huge way.

    The value for trading up seems to change quite a lot based on the year. Some years, you get SJS trading 20 + 58 for 18 or EDM trading 30 + 36 for 21. Other years (or, oddly, at different points in the same year), you get things like STL trading 24 + 70 for 18. It varies widely, and whether or not the proposed trade works depends a lot on how Columbus feels at the given time.

    Oddly enough, Calgary might be another good target for a trade down. They have 45 + 52 + 53. New Jersey has 36 + 41 + 67. Arizona has 29 + 31 + 59. There are a few different options to pursue the trade down with.

  54. pocession charge says:

    LadiesloveSmid: is 11 picks a great idea?

    Edmonton has 6 signed from 2013, with 2 in college. That seems like the upper limit. Do you aim for a little amount of quality picks in a less deep draft next year? 11 picks, and say 8 successful picks that you sign is a lot for the 50 man list and the AHL team, no?

    I wouldn’t do it only because the #16 is too valuable. Either trade it for a good, young NHL defenceman or make the pick. Don’t trade down #16.

  55. John Chambers says:

    pocession charge,

    Truly if Perron was traded for Olli Maata everyone would’ve been elated. Maata was drafted in the early 20’s in a normal draft year.

    This is an exceptional draft year with a clear tier of players 10-20 ish who would go in the 7-12 range most years.

    Makes you forget about David Perron pretty quick.

  56. Gordies Elbow says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Draft picks have the most value on draft day. Prospects have the most value when teams have cap issues. The cap looks flat, at least for the next few years.

    Edmonton might need to trade good quality prospects to get players they need, and might need a few of their own to manage the cap.

    Flipside, early picks expect contracts and to be paid more. Given Edmonton’s upcoming cap situation, wouldn’t having the depth of prospects (especially those developing in NCAA and KHL) be more valuable?

  57. OF17 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: is 11 picks a great idea?

    Edmonton has 6 signed from 2013, with 2 in college. That seems like the upper limit. Do you aim for a little amount of quality picks in a less deep draft next year? 11 picks, and say 8 successful picks that you sign is a lot for the 50 man list and the AHL team, no?

    Part of the trade-down would involve trading away some of the picks for immediate help I’m sure. If we have 4 2nds, at least one of those is going for a Cam Talbot, and maybe another goes for a D.

    Even without those trades though, I think trading down might be the best way to get value out of our picks. Even if it means some tough decisions in a couple years, taking 8.3% of the best 60 players from the deepest draft in years and then having to decide who to sign from there is a VERY nice problem to have.

  58. OF17 says:

    pocession charge: I wouldn’t do it only because the #16 is too valuable.Either trade it for a good, young NHL defenceman or make the pick.Don’t trade down #16.

    I agree that 16 is very valuable and shouldn’t be traded wantonly, but in a year where Anthony Beauvillier is available a full 26 slots later than Nick Merkley (according to McKenzie), doesn’t trading down and getting the most great bullets possible make the most sense?

  59. pocession charge says:

    John Chambers:
    pocession charge,

    Truly if Perron was traded for Olli Maata everyone would’ve been elated. Maata was drafted in the early 20’s in a normal draft year.

    This is an exceptional draft year with a clear tier of players 10-20 ish who would go in the 7-12 range most years.

    Makes you forget about David Perron pretty quick.

    Yeah that Olli Maata is no Mark Jankowski, but he’s certainly valuable 🙂 If MacT had asked for Maata (he likely did), he would have been hung up on.

  60. Snowman says:

    Forget trading down for more picks. Take the best player in the best spot. 10 picks is plenty. That number 16 is going to be a very good prospect. I know there are lots of good prospects available but seriously 10 picks!

    Also no goalies in the first 60 picks. Too much skill. I don’t know anything about goalies but I do know I’d rather not pick them.

  61. pocession charge says:

    OF17: I agree that 16 is very valuable and shouldn’t be traded wantonly, but in a year where Anthony Beauvillier is available a full 26 slots later than Nick Merkley (according to McKenzie), doesn’t trading down and getting the most great bullets possible make the most sense?

    I understand your argument and it has some merit. That strategy seemed to work out for MacT in 2013. But the circumstances were also different — he wasn’t moving off a #16 in a very deep draft. And there is no way he would have done so back then. The odds of landing the most impactful player lie with keeping the #16.

  62. pocession charge says:

    Snowman:
    Forget trading down for more picks. Take the best player in the best spot. 10 picks is plenty. That number 16 is going to be a very good prospect. I know there are lots of good prospects available but seriously 10 picks!

    Also no goalies in the first 60 picks. Too much skill. I don’t know anything about goalies but I do know I’d rather not pick them.

    I really waffle on drafting a goalie in the second round (never the first). The prospects (Samsonov, Vladar) seem very enticing this year and the team’s goalie depth is poor. If they don’t get a goalie but get another solid forward or defenceman, I’d still be really happy.

  63. OF17 says:

    pocession charge: OF17

    pocession charge: I understand your argument and it has some merit.That strategy seemed to work out for MacT in 2013.But the circumstances were also different — he wasn’t moving off a #16 in a very deep draft.And there is no way he would have done so back then.The odds of landing the most impactful player lie with keeping the #16.

    I don’t know about that. It’s the same principle as the 2013 draft – by conventional wisdom, the best chance of getting a player was in keeping that #37 pick rather than trading it for a bunch of picks #80 or later. That conventional wisdom was proven wrong, if only for a year. I don’t think it’s mere coincidence though and would love to repeat it.

    If Jeremy Roy is available at #29, that tells you something about the quality available in the 2nd round. In most years, Roy is at least in the conversation for top-10. Would you trade a 10th overall pick for 3 back-third 1st rounders? Because that’s essentially what the trade boils down to, speaking in terms of a normal year. It’s incredibly tempting. There are Paajarvis in the top 10, and there are Fabbris outside the top 20. And Barbashevs in the 2nd round. Increasing your number of bullets, provided you aren’t stupid about it, necessarily increases your chances at an impact player. A 20% chance at $100 is worth less than three 10% chances at $100 are, and that’s essentially the trade we’re making.

  64. OF17 says:

    This talk leads to another question: what exactly do people mean when they say this draft is deep? Do they mean that it’s top heavy, that its top 25 players would all usually go top 10-12, or does it mean that it’s wide, or that there are 75 players that would usually be in the conversation for top 35-40? Or is it both? The answer would tell us a lot about which strategy we should take.

    I’m far from an expert, but from what I can tell, this draft is a combination of the two but stronger on the latter than the former. Fabbris, after all, fall almost every year. The difference with this year is that Fabbris appear to be falling well into the 2nd round rather than just into the mid-late 1st. Again, Anthony Beauvillier is the poster boy for this. That’s the real reason why I think trading down makes sense, since I see such little separation between McKenzie’s #16 Colin White and his #29 Jeremy Roy (and I’d actually rather have Roy, to be honest) or his #43 Beauvillier.

  65. Optimism is Foolish says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    it does work getting as many as possible right now as we do lose a 2nd and 3rd already in the next few years and if the offer sheet Hamilton at 7 million there is another 3 top picks gone. Not everyone has to be signed immediately either.

  66. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    I was thinking the Oilers should continue to float Samsonov’s name to the media and then entice Buffalo to trade 21 and 31 for 16 and 57.

    Given how deep the draft is, 1, 21, 31, 33 is like having 4 1st rounders. Rebuild over with that haul.

    Thoughts?

  67. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    flyfish1168: Petry sure showed everyone that it was our system and not the player. Maybe Belov wouldn’t be bad thing to bring back.

    It wasn’t that (our system) either.

    The problem was all perception. Perception of a rotten team rubbing off on a player and perception of a college, puck mover being soft and therefore ineffective.

    There’s nothing in Petry’s usage with the Oilers over the past few years to suggest systems failed him, or dragged him down.

    The only thing I can think of that might apply here is that the Oilers never saw fit to unleash Petry’s offensive potential with zone starts and PP time. But, considering the boatload of time they played him and the lack of other “shut down” options on the team… hard to make a big deal out of it.

  68. flyfish1168 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: It wasn’t that (our system) either.

    The problem was all perception. Perception of a rotten team rubbing off on a player and perception of a college, puck mover being soft and therefore ineffective.

    There’s nothing in Petry’s usage with the Oilers over the past few years to suggest systems failed him, or dragged him down.

    The only thing I can think of that might apply here is that the Oilers never saw fit to unleash Petry’s offensive potential with zone starts and PP time. But, considering the boatload of time they played him and the lack of other “shut down” options on the team… hard to make a big deal out of it.

    Interesting comment. sounds like you just described the Oilers system of analysis of a players strengths and usage.

  69. Kmart99 says:

    OF17,

    To see a guy like Beauvillier projected to go this late causes serious salivation over the whole top 60. When you think about how little help he received from his teammates, and how he was the youngest of the top 7 scorers on his team you must think scouts are placing too much value on some other intangibles to rate him so low.

    As far as the talk regarding a #16 for multiple 2nd rounders goes, I think it’s a good bet since this year, moreso than most years, the 2nd rd picks appear to be more in line with the first rd picks. The gap between 16 and 40 seems to be smaller than usual.

    That being said, I’d ultimately rather trade the #16 in a deal that gets the Oil their #1 dman uner 30 yrs of age.

  70. Pouzar says:

    Can someone talk me into Yevgeni Svechnikov being the best player at 16 as a left shot left winger? I get that he is big but damn…another LWer?

  71. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Pouzar,

    A LWer 3 years from now, not sure what the depth chart will look like then.

  72. Pouzar says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: Pouzar, A LWer 3 years from now, not sure what the depth chart will look like then.

    Maybe. But Hall/Pou/and maybe Slepy are here for a while.

    Unless he is clearly BPA I wouldn’t take a LWer here.
    Would love to hear others opinions on him.

  73. GCW_69 says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    Pouzar,

    A LWer 3 years from now, not sure what the depth chart will look like then.

    Will probably need to replace Hall if they don’t use some of these picks to get real NHL players.

  74. Pouzar says:

    GCW_69: Will probably need to replace Hall if they don’t use some of these picks to get real NHL players.

    I would be happy just getting rid of the FAKE NHL players . 🙂

  75. godot10 says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”:
    I was thinking the Oilers should continue to float Samsonov’s name to the media and then entice Buffalo to trade 21 and 31 for 16 and 57.

    Given how deep the draft is, 1, 21, 31, 33 is like having 4 1st rounders. Rebuild over with that haul.

    Thoughts?

    You likely trade out of a big, skilled, mobile forward by trading down from #16 to #21. Small skilled forwards are available all the time every year. As the Oilers improve, small skilled forwards will be available late in the first round every year. Trading away from a potential scarce and difficult to find asset is misguided.

    The Oilers have enough picks, given the 50-contract limit. With the 50-contract limit, they wouldn’t be able to develop them properly, by getting more picks.

    At #16, they get a chance at a big skilled winger, a really good two-way centre, or one of the top defensemen in the 2nd tier of defensemen.

  76. frjohnk says:

    godot10: At #16, they get a chance at a big skilled winger, a really good two-way centre, or one of the top defensemen in the 2nd tier of defensemen.

    Yup, if we are using that pick to draft and not trade for a ready NHLer, use it at 16. We don’t need to trade it to try and get more bullets. Actually, Id rather trade the 57, 79th, 117th picks to move into the lower 2nd round.

    San Jose has 39th, then does not pick till 106th. Might be interested.

  77. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Pouzar: Maybe. But Hall/Pou/and maybe Slepy are here for a while.

    Unless he is clearly BPA I wouldn’t take a LWer here.
    Would love to hear others opinions on him.

    See I don’t know. 3 years from now, if Sleppy is as good as we think he might be, and this kid is coming on, then maybe we trade Pouliot. Maybe Sleppy doesn’t turn out, or goes back to Russia. Maybe Hall blows his knee out. Maybe Platzer/Yakimov/Chase have improved to the point they are in the top 9.

    For me position isn’t the thing. We don’t know where our prospects will be when they are 21, we don’t know who will be gone or which new free agents will come in.

    If we like this kid I say we take this kid.

  78. dustrock says:

    Who’s the best RW we could draft at that spot?

  79. Pouzar says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: See I don’t know. 3 years from now, if Sleppy is as good as we think he might be, and this kid is coming on, then maybe we trade Pouliot. Maybe Sleppy doesn’t turn out, or goes back to Russia. Maybe Hall blows his knee out. Maybe Platzer/Yakimov/Chase have improved to the point they are in the top 9. For me position isn’t the thing. We don’t know where our prospects will be when they are 21, we don’t know who will be gone or which new free agents will come in.If we like this kid I say we take this kid.

    I hear ya on that but I am not convinced he is BPA. And unless he clearly is that, I wouldn’t go there. But who knows *shrug*

  80. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    frjohnk,

    godot10,

    You guys missed my other post from a couple of days ago. Will fill you in on the next thread.

  81. rickithebear says:

    square_wheels: How would one analyze players forced to play above their ability, and are then statistically punished by being force fed opposing top lines with shitty partners who are nowhere near top 4.

    What is this analysis you talk of?

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