OILERS ACQUIRE CAM TALBOT FOR NO. 57, 79 AND 184

We’ve talked at length about this goalie. Chiarelli got his man.

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The risk here is sample size and it’s a legit concern. Edmonton is also exposed because he’s a UFA next summer, but chances are the two sides have discussed the future without putting pen to paper. I like this deal immensely.

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  1. mit167 says:

    Good trade

  2. Lucinius says:

    Looks like a really good trade. Like this. Didn’t cost us Marincin!!!

  3. Frank the dog says:

    What’s not to like?
    Edit: I’m talking about getting the goalie we wanted without giving up other NHL players.

    At what point do we leave a hole in our pipeline like we did after 2006?

  4. gd says:

    Can we stop the talk of Sather being a jackel. That is pretty poor return for Talbot/Hagelin

  5. Traktor says:

    I wonder if Calgary gets Gibson?

  6. fifthcartel says:

    I love that it was said they were offered two 2nds or a 1st and Edmonton gets him for this. Also, Stauffer just mentioned Woodguy’s Talbot piece on CHED.

  7. gd says:

    I guess in hindsight, we shouldn’t have had an amateur scouting staff this year.

  8. PunjabiOil says:

    Why even draft goalies if guys like Talbot or Lack are available for late 2nds or 3rds?

  9. Frank the dog says:

    gd:
    Can we stop the talk of Sather being a jackel. That is pretty poor return for Talbot/Hagelin

    Apparently an old jackal.

  10. GCW_69 says:

    If you were a cynic, one could say the Oilers went into the draft with 9 picks outside of McDavid and traded 5 of them for a 3rd pairing defender and a back up goalie.

  11. Rondo says:

    So Edmonton now has the 117 pick 124 and 154

  12. flyfish1168 says:

    wow Sather must still have some Oiler blood in him. Now lets hope he does well and signs a good contract

  13. GCW_69 says:

    Rondo:
    So Edmonton now has the 117 pick 124 and 154

    And 209

  14. leadfarmer says:

    gd,

    Why, he played the media to try drum up the price very well. Just because he was dealing with an experienced GM who called his bluff and not MacT doesn’t mean he did poorly.

  15. Lowetide says:

    I expect we’ll see Marincin move here some time today.

  16. PunjabiOil says:

    Oilers don’t have a pick in the 3rd round. Would have loved Oliver Kylington

  17. Lucinius says:

    Lowetide:
    I expect we’ll see Marincin move here some time today.

    No!

    Don’t say it!

    Why do you hate Marincin!?

    And sadly.. you’re probably right.

  18. Connorrhea says:

    Ray Ferraro ‏@rayferrarotsn now39 seconds ago
    have liked the weekend Ottawa, Calgary and Edmonton have had so far

  19. rickithebear says:

    Boston are gods:

    Carlo 19 EVP 6’5″ = > rheinhardt
    Forsbaka Carlson
    Lauzon

    Even heaven!

  20. Showerhead says:

    Lowetide:
    I expect we’ll see Marincin move here some time today.

    I can’t tell if you mean move as in a trade or move as in finally purchase a home instead of living in that cardboard box without the shaving table which has inevitably led to the unchecked growth of his sideburns.

  21. Rational Zealot says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Why even draft goalies if guys like Talbot or Lack are available for late 2nds or 3rds?

    This needs to be posted on every draft discussion.

    This trade is fine. Trading for a third pairing defender on the other hand, is not.

  22. Frank the dog says:

    Sather gets a big, mean, mobile D that was key to his Junior Team’s Memorial Cup run, showed positive results at the end of last season, and is very well known to the GM and the Director of Player Personnel, as well as their targeted goalie, from a once shrewd Jackal for bags of beans.

    What’s not to like? Shrewd moves.

  23. Visually better says:

    I will say this. If we do keep all these young defense-man and get a UFA signing or trade for another ACTUAL NHL d-man, the competition amongst our young kids will be really beneficial. Mclelland has no ties to our young kids and will have everyone auditioning for positions.

    SCHULTZ
    Marincin
    Klefbom
    Nurse
    Reinhart

    Will all have to earn spots, or else play in Bakersfield. Bakersfield will be an exciting team to follow next year, no question.

  24. leadfarmer says:

    WOW did Kylington drop, and to the flames too. Damn that is a very good pick up for a #60

  25. Snowman says:

    Rational Zealot,

    Do you have anything written anywhere that suggests GR is a third pairing guy?

  26. wordbird says:

    Kylington to Falmes.

  27. Younger Oil says:

    Holy shit, Calgary got Andersson AND Kylington.

    Those are basically two first round picks in any other year.

    That is fantastic for them, and awful for us.

  28. Rondo says:

    GCW_69: And 209

    How did Edm get # 209 pick from NYR?

  29. Kitchener says:

    PunjabiOil,

    High risk, high reward. What I like about PC’s last 24 hours is that he’s securing lower-risk assets (McDavid, then semi-known young players in Reinhart & Talbot) instead of rolling the dice on 18 year olds.

    This Oiler team needs 9s, 10s, and Jacks and Chairelli just delivered two of them.

  30. hunter1909 says:

    flyfish1168:
    wow Sather must still have some Oiler blood in him. Now lets hope he does well and signs a good contract

    Slats let the Oilers use the NYR facilities during the 2006 Finals v Carolina. Also, he wants Yakupov.

  31. F-76 says:

    After the drama last night, this feels like a major relief. Very good news!

  32. SwedishPoster says:

    Doesn’t seem like Chia trusts his former scouts a whole lot…

  33. wordbird says:

    So now what? no picks til 4th round?!

  34. oliveoilers says:

    Conspiracy Theory time!

    So, yesterday, Chia’s in the zone, got some pokers in the fire, wheeling and dealing. Then a rogue fish taco strikes at about #14.

    Well, Chia leaves stern instructions to the table about picking Jeremy Roy.

    Klowe stands up and mimicking a scene from Super Troopers, he crosses his eyes and says “do we look like the dumbest hockey executives in the world to you? Is that why you chose to mock us?”

    Chia says “yeah, whatever” and makes the 100m bathroom sprint.

    Klowe, MacT and Howson share a look and a smirk. Chia returns and says “OK, where’s Jeremy, I’d love to meet him?”

    “Well boss” says Klowe, “we just turned #16 into #4! And *mumble* #33 *mumble*”

    Chia erupts, “WHAT? You idiots! I leave you for literally 5 minutes!”

    KLowe “I know, right?”

    This morning, Chia shows them how the big boys do it, though it totally washes over their heads as they day dream about GR’s distinct lack of sideburns.

  35. Psyche says:

    From Ray regarding Griffin Reinhart:

    Ray Ferraro ‏@rayferrarotsn 4m4 minutes ago
    @sweet_k84 im ok with it / Griffin is an acquired taste though, he wont wow you, but can move puck , agility will be question

  36. Frank the dog says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Doesn’t seem like Chia trusts his former scouts a whole lot…

    Would you?

  37. Rational Zealot says:

    Snowman:
    Rational Zealot,

    Do you have anything written anywhere that suggests GR is a third pairing guy?

    Everything written about him suggests third pairing guy. Go read Willis’ “defense” of the trade. Even the guys who cover the Islanders who like Reinhart don’t think he’s anywhere near a top pairing defensemen. Some think he’s a bust already.

    Of their three D prospects, the consensus from the Islander world is that Reinhart was third, behind Mayfield and Tulock.

  38. SwedishPoster says:

    And freaking Calgary grabs both Andersson and Kylington late second round are you bloody kidding me! I’m getting tired of Calgary having competent management.

  39. Younger Oil says:

    Praying that some Russians drop to our later picks.

    Tkachev at #209, book it!!!

  40. RPG says:

    I was listening to Charlie Daniels this morning. So on that theme Chia and Slats sat down and played poker. “If you win you get this shiny fiddle made of gold, if you lose the devil gets your soul.” So we walk away from the draft with the Saviour, the once King, and the golden fiddle.
    @jirelandEJ: So to recap: The #Oilers have acquired C Connor McDavid, D Griffin Reinhart, G Cam Talbot — and didn’t overpay to get netminder.

  41. Oil2Oilers (formerly VanOil) says:

    Lowetide:
    I expect we’ll see Marincin move here some time today.

    I am still holding out hope that Jultz has more trade value

  42. Pouzar says:

    Younger Oil: Holy shit, Calgary got Andersson AND Kylington.

    I am F6cking sick to my stomach.

  43. Rip Fan Winkle says:

    SwedishPoster:
    And freaking Calgary grabs both Andersson and Kylington late second round are you bloody kidding me! I’m getting tired of Calgary having competent management.

    Loading up at D to fend off McD and crew. They have a lot of back end talent now, but A & K are not sure things.

  44. Oil2Oilers (formerly VanOil) says:

    Treveling is pretty good at his job. Calgary, Toronto and Winnipeg making good decisions is weird.

  45. jm363561 says:

    Yep, Talbot a great pick up for one season. Griffin (hopefully) a great pick for the future. Is 2015 / 16 a wait and see year or not? Somehow, some way a couple of experienced Ds have to arrive. Farewell MM.

  46. gd says:

    With Talbot, Chia definitely has the cap space to play with in the next month. I wonder if they do a two year overpay for Sekera/Michalek/Martin/Beauchemin or wait for some teams cap issue D dump.

  47. 719 says:

    Younger Oil:
    Holy shit, Calgary got Andersson AND Kylington.

    Those are basically two first round picks in any other year.

    That is fantastic for them, and awful for us.

    The exact two guys I was hoping the Oilers got. Sigh… can’t have everything I guess.

  48. flyfish1168 says:

    hunter1909: Slats let the Oilers use the NYR facilities during the 2006 Finals v Carolina. Also, he wants Yakupov.

    Lots of rumors on twitter about Yak to NYR

  49. Woodguy says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Why even draft goalies if guys like Talbot or Lack are available for late 2nds or 3rds?

    Exactly.

  50. Snowman says:

    Rational Zealot,

    Go read Bruce’s piece on him. Read his scouting reports. He’s a top 4 maybe a top 2 ceiling. He might be a third pairing today. This leaves tonnes of space to sign a FA d-man. I’m not thrilled at the price but I’m not disappointed with the player.

  51. SwedishPoster says:

    Rip Fan Winkle: Loading up at D to fend off McD and crew. They have a lot of back end talent now, but A & K are not sure things.

    I’d argue Kylington is a safer pick than the majority of the D picked in the first round but there had to be some worry around his hamstring injury or something because otherwise I don’t understand how he drops this far.

  52. Woodguy says:

    Younger Oil:
    Holy shit, Calgary got Andersson AND Kylington.

    Those are basically two first round picks in any other year.

    That is fantastic for them, and awful for us.

    I’m sad that the Flames are smart now.

    I preferred watching Feaster flail around.

  53. v4ance says:

    NHL Network is showing a behind the scenes video of “Connor McDavid’s” draft day.

    Highlights:

    Says he slept fine night before

    After pre-draft interviews and wandering around arena got stopped by security who didn’t know who he was when he wasn’t wearing badge. “I guess I look like a threat”

    Friend ” Are you talking to Stromer now?”
    CMD ” He’s over there”
    Firend ” How’s he doing?”
    CMD “Freaking out…. He’ll be fine”

    As EDM group walk in: “I’m gonna throw up I think” (nervous laugh)

    Shaking hands: MacLellan says: “We get to go thru all of this together and all these faces and guys you’re meeting (Oilers staff), you don’t remember any of the names by July. You don’t have to worry about it. We’ll get thru it together”

    Watched his friend Dylan Strome from side of stage proudly as ARI selected him.

    CMD ” I was so excited, I almost blacked out. It’s unbelievable. It’s a beautiful jersey. Feels great to put it on”

  54. 10W30 says:

    flyfish1168,

    I hope its BoobMckenzie

  55. 719 says:

    Flames got Hamilton, Andersson and Kylington… I was hoping Friday morning these are the players the Oilers got.

  56. Visually better says:

    10W30:
    flyfish1168,

    I hope its BoobMckenzie

  57. rickithebear says:

    oliveoilers:
    Conspiracy Theory time!

    So, yesterday, Chia’s in the zone, got some pokers in the fire, wheeling and dealing. Then a rogue fish taco strikes at about #14.

    Well, Chia leaves stern instructions to the table about picking Jeremy Roy.

    Klowe stands up and mimicking a scene from Super Troopers, he crosses his eyes and says “do we look like the dumbest hockey executives in the world to you? Is that why you chose to mock us?”

    Chia says “yeah, whatever” and makes the 100m bathroom sprint.

    Klowe, MacT and Howson share a look and a smirk. Chia returns and says “OK, where’s Jeremy, I’d love to meet him?”

    “Well boss” says Klowe, “we just turned #16 into #4! And *mumble* #33 *mumble*”

    Chia erupts, “WHAT? You idiots! I leave you for literally 5 minutes!”

    KLowe “I know, right?”

    This morning, Chia shows them how the big boys do it, though it totally washes over their heads as they day dream about GR’s distinct lack of sideburns.

    Shitty defensive Dmen make shitty teams.

    Klowe BLAH BLAH!

  58. Lucinius says:

    v4ance,

    I liked the death stare he got from Eichel when he was picked. That was one unhappy young man.

  59. Visually better says:

    flyfish1168,

    If we trade Yakupov, our depth at RW will become the worst in the NHL

  60. 10W30 says:

    Man I know the Bruins lost Lucic and Hamilton but they got some Grade A players in this draft:

    Zboril Debrusk,Senyshyn, Carlo, Karlsson, Louzpn, and Now Vlader

    I would have loved this as an Oiler Draft

  61. RexLibris says:

    LT, remember all the talk about how if they play this draft right they could acquires some players to impact the team for a decade?

    Maybe I just became overly attached to the draft picks, but this feels a touch underwhelming.

    McDavid is a win. Absolutely. No question.

    The Oilers essentially traded David Perron and Jeff Petry for Cam Talbot and Griffin Reinhart. I’d say that looks more or less like a saw-off to marginal improvement contingent on the performance of the two new bodies.

    What concerns me is if they walk out of this year’s draft only using five of the original 10 picks. They’re prospect system is not so deep that it can afford a gap in such an important draft year.

  62. Rational Zealot says:

    Snowman:
    Rational Zealot,

    Go read Bruce’s piece on him. Read his scouting reports. He’s a top 4 maybe a top 2 ceiling. He might be a third pairing today. This leaves tonnes of space to sign a FA d-man. I’m not thrilled at the price but I’m not disappointed with the player.

    He’s a big defenseman with agility issues. Today he is an AHL player. He has zero chance of being a top pairing guy. None.

  63. Gordies Elbow says:

    719:
    Flames got Hamilton, Andersson and Kylington… I was hoping Friday morning this is what the Oilers got.

    Me too – but something weird is going on with Edmonton this year. They’re moving picks to fill actual holes on the roster.

    Weird.

  64. theres oil in virginia says:

    Pouzar: I am F6cking sick to my stomach.

    I’m glad Calgary is getting better. The Battle of Alberta has sucked for too damn long.

  65. nelson88 says:

    Hope Korostolev and Soy are available in the 4th and 5th

  66. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: I’m sad that the Flames are smart now.

    I preferred watching Feaster flail around.

    They took a defensive prospect group that was near barren and have added two potential top four defenseman and one actual top four defenseman in 48 hours.

    I need a drink.

  67. Younger Oil says:

    The Swedes are really falling in this draft.

    Kylington, Andersson, and now Ahl.

  68. Chamucks says:

    RexLibris,

    If players from this draft were 3 or 4 years off they would have been helpful to supplement talent on the big club as players got expensive. I don’t buy into the “in the cluster” age requirement at all.
    Talbot was a good buy IMO, I just wish we didnt have to give up 33 to get Reinhart.

  69. misfit says:

    Love the Talbot trade, but it does make me wish we hadn’t made the Griffin deal even more

  70. Woodguy says:

    Reid Wilkins ‏@ReidWilkins 16s16 seconds ago
    Oilers 86th overall goes to SJ as McLellan compensation. Right now, Oilers to pick at 117, 124, 154, 209. #yeg #Oilers

  71. RexLibris says:

    theres oil in virginia: I’m glad Calgary is getting better.The Battle of Alberta has sucked for too damn long.

    That’s because the Oilers have been a basketcase.

    For it to improve they’d have to come a long way up to get to Calgary’s level.

    It doesn’t help the BoA if the Oilers are still getting their heads kicked in because the Flames are gradually improving in all areas while the Oilers are spending key resources perpetually plugging holes in their boat.

  72. Woodguy says:

    Oilers will trade every pick after McDavid just to troll LT.

  73. kooler says:

    It’s too bad the oil didn’t trade 16 for multiples and then work on Reinhardt ….I’m sure a bunch of teams would of been happy to trade up. Would of been nice to preserve a couple picks. 3 years from now we’ll have a thin cupboard.

    Good work on Talbot…hope this comes together.

  74. RexLibris says:

    Chamucks:
    RexLibris,

    If players from this draft were 3 or 4 years off they would have been helpful to supplement talent on the big club as players got expensive. I don’t buy into the “in the cluster” age requirement at all.
    Talbot was a good buy IMO, I just wish we didnt have to give up 33 to get Reinhart.

    Agreed.

    The #33 was what hurt.

    They could have traded #33 for two later 2nds, moved the 57th and a prospect for Reinhart and been able to snag one of those falling defensemen who will now wear the Accursed Colours and either a goalie or a falling center.

    Oh well. At least we haven’t seen them call someone from the BCJHL.

    Yet.

  75. Pajamah says:

    Rational Zealot: He’s a big defenseman with agility issues.Today he is an AHL player.He has zero chance of being a top pairing guy.None.

    You act as if you know for sure. You don’t. If you did you would be an NHL scout.

    We’re all fans, we all either use “saw him good”, scouting reports from actual experts, or statistical analysis to come to a conclusion on a player.

    There are as many scouts saying he is top 4 with a top pairing potential as there are who say he’s a bust.

    Reading into NYI fans opinions is like coming here for the gospel on Oiler players. You’ll get good opinions, vitriol, bias, and every possible opinion.

    Scouts and hockey experts don’t hate the trade, to me that’s more important than your certainty he won’t be a #1.

  76. Connorrhea says:

    Woodguy: Oilers 86th overall goes to SJ as McLellan compensation.

    Three years to comply with the compensation rule, and they pay up right away.

    Sticking it to Neely here?

  77. Oddspell says:

    As weird as it is to say, knowing how the draft is turning out I think I would have preferred the 16th for Talbot and then keeping the rest of the picks. McDavid, Talbot and two of Sprong, Harkins, Kylington, Andersson, and also Vande Sompel is a better group than McDavid Reinhart and Talbot in my opinion.

  78. Bryan says:

    Rational Zealot: He’s a big defenseman with agility issues.Today he is an AHL player.He has zero chance of being a top pairing guy.None.

    My experience is that people who make statements like this are usually proven wrong.

  79. Numenius says:

    Lowetide:
    I expect we’ll see Marincin move here some time today.

    I wonder if they’ll keep Marincin until the cap crunch in September when his value is highest and highly paid vet players is lowest.

    That fits with the strategy:

    At draft: Trade picks when their value is highest and get cheap young players in return on the cusp of breaking out.

    At cap deadline: Trade cheap young players on cusp of breaking out when their value is highest for higher paid, solid veterans other teams are forced to offload. (The Snow strategy)

  80. flyfish1168 says:

    10W30:
    flyfish1168,

    I hope its BoobMckenzie

    not sure who they the are. But not the regular guys that we always hear from

  81. Woodguy says:

    NYI gets Vande Sopel.

    Add them to WPG and TBY as teams that win the draft every year.

    CAL might be another now.

  82. flyfish1168 says:

    Numenius: I wonder if they’ll keep Marincin until the cap crunch in September when his value is highest and highly paid players is lowest.

    That fits with the strategy:

    At draft: Trade picks because their value is highest and get cheap young players in return on the cusp of breaking out.

    At cap deadline: Trade cheap young players on cusp of breaking out because their value is highest for higher paid, solid veterans other teams are forced to offload. (The Snow strategy)

    Good point. I like that strategy.

  83. PunjabiOil says:

    If three years for compensation, and it doesn’t have to be your own pick, could the Oilers just not acquire the 60th overall pick for 3rd + late round pick?

  84. Nostradumbass says:

    I have no issue moving most of our picks

    Based on what scouting has done for this team 2-7 it probably didn’t take an outsider long to determine the most efficient use of those picks was to trade them

  85. theres oil in virginia says:

    RexLibris: That’s because the Oilers have been a basketcase.

    For it to improve they’d have to come a long way up to get to Calgary’s level.

    It doesn’t help the BoA if the Oilers are still getting their heads kicked in because the Flames are gradually improving in all areas while the Oilers are spending key resources perpetually plugging holes in their boat.

    Look man, I’m not trying to kick you while you’re still down about the draft picks going out the door, but at this draft the Oilers got:
    Connor McDavid
    Griffin Reinhart
    Cam Talbot

    All three of which are NHL ready or nearly so. If they add Sekara or the like…

  86. Gordies Elbow says:

    Numenius: I wonder if they’ll keep Marincin until the cap crunch in September when his value is highest and highly paid vet players is lowest.

    That fits with the strategy:

    At draft: Trade picks when their value is highest and get cheap young players in return on the cusp of breaking out.

    At cap deadline: Trade cheap young players on cusp of breaking out when their value is highest for higher paid, solid veterans other teams are forced to offload. (The Snow strategy)

    I expect that this is exactly what they are doing. Marincin’s value will be highest when teams are tight to the cap. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him move early during free agency, to a team that needs a relatively inexpensive defender, and is looking to move salary.

  87. Woodguy says:

    Steve Kournianos ‏@TheDraftAnalyst 58s59 seconds ago

    Philly takes G Matej Tomek from Topeka.

    The walls fell.

  88. Pouzar says:

    F6ck is anyone else as depressed as I am right now?

    Nothing short of dumping FSN today will get me out of this.

  89. Rational Zealot says:

    Pajamah: You act as if you know for sure. You don’t. If you did you would be an NHL scout.

    We’re all fans, we all either use “saw him good”, scouting reports from actual experts, or statistical analysis to come to a conclusionon a player.

    There are as many scouts saying he is top 4 with a top pairing potential as there are who say he’s a bust.

    Reading into NYI fans opinions is like coming here for the gospel on Oiler players. You’ll get good opinions, vitriol, bias, and every possible opinion.

    Scouts and hockey experts don’t hate the trade, to me that’s more important than your certainty he won’t be a #1.

    First, hockey experts are not experts. They go by reputation. This is known. Reinhart has a reputation as a top prospect and therefore is a top prospect.

    It doesn’t matter whether someone thinks he has a top pairing potential (their conclusion) if they can must no reasons to support that conclusion.

    They like him because he is big and famous. But big, famous defensemen with agility issues don’t turn into top pairing defensemen. It doesn’t happen.

  90. oliveoilers says:

    rickithebear: Shitty defensive Dmen make shitty teams.

    Klowe BLAH BLAH!

    Just my light hearted take on a situation. I’m not bashing KLowe and Co (more than anybody else!), I was more trying to integrate some of the previous comments reporting that the Big 3 are still involved with the big decisions somehow. Tongue firmly in cheek (face).

    Have a good day Ricki and everybody, I’m going golfing!

  91. 10W30 says:

    LT,

    with the Talbot Signing and us not taking a Goalie prospect are the oil going to add another G in UFA or Run with Talbot/Scrivens and seek out on a D(sekera) and a RW to play with CMD?

  92. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy: I’m sad that the Flames are smart now.
    I preferred watching Feaster flail around.

    You have forgotten how to hate. Too many years of Lowe+MacT wandering in the wilderness. Kills martial spirit. Flames contending will help accelerate recovery.

    Also, McDavid’s going to make everyone forget about everything they thought they knew about hockey.

  93. kooler says:

    Has anybody worked out what this years draft will cost Calgary in cap space vs Edmonton? How much cash do we have to snag UFA’s?

  94. RexLibris says:

    I remember looking over the Blackhawks draft history years ago when I was working on draft outcomes.

    Their record from 2005 to 2009 was frightening.

    They threw everything they had at the draft and would come out with one, maybe two players.

    2006 and 2007 always stood out for me.

    They took Toews and Kane 3rd and 1st in those years, respectively.

    Then it was nothing. The only other players of note in those years were Bill Sweatt and Akim Aliu.

    I have very serious concerns that in five year’s time we will see the same thing develop from the Oilers’ 2014 and 2015 drafts.

    It’s easier for the ‘Hawks to swallow when you have three new SCs to fawn over, but we can’t be guaranteed of anything like that right now.

  95. Marc says:

    Rational Zealot: First, hockey experts are not experts.They go by reputation.This is known. Reinhart has a reputation as a top prospect and therefore is a top prospect.

    It doesn’t matter whether someone thinks he has a top pairing potential (their conclusion) if they can must no reasons to support that conclusion.

    They like him because he is big and famous.But big, famous defensemen with agility issues don’t turn into top pairing defensemen.It doesn’t happen.

    As opposed to yourself, who uses sweet reason and unerring judgment?

  96. oliveoilers says:

    Rational Zealot: First, hockey experts are not experts.They go by reputation.This is known. Reinhart has a reputation as a top prospect and therefore is a top prospect.

    It doesn’t matter whether someone thinks he has a top pairing potential (their conclusion) if they can must no reasons to support that conclusion.

    They like him because he is big and famous.But big, famous defensemen with agility issues don’t turn into top pairing defensemen.It doesn’t happen.

    A broken clock is right twice a day.

    A broken record player, however, just sounds repetitive and weird and is never right.

  97. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    NYI gets Vande Sopel.

    Add them to WPG and TBY as teams that win the draft every year.

    CAL might be another now.

    I’d out CGY there right now, even if they draft Keegan Kanzigs from here on out.

    Hamilton, Andersson and Kylington is a fine weekend’s work.

  98. Dominoiler says:

    I’m guessing this has been 20 times already, but it’s too perfect.. No need for a scouting staff when you will draft mcfavid and then trade all your other picks.. Sorry, LT, I’m guessing you were excited for a few more prospects to follow, it wasn’t meant to be.. Nice pick up, wrt Talbot.. After sing those other goalies go so cheap I was getting choked.. Better now..

    Sorry to see you go MM (any word on if he can play right side?)

  99. hunter1909 says:

    Rational Zealot: First, hockey experts are not experts. They go by reputation.

    Technically, you could argue the same using any profession – like doctors. Many years ago people were relatively fit and healthy. Doctors were seen as an annoyance, something that wasted people’s time. Today’s society has been conditioned to accept the near deification of doctors.

  100. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar:
    F6ck is anyone else as depressed as I am right now?

    Nothing short of dumping FSN today will get me out of this.

    I’d like to say I am, but I don’t live in Winnipeg sooo….

    😉

  101. Oil2Oilers (formerly VanOil) says:

    While we do not know if Talbot and Reinhart will become a #1 Goalies or a top 4 Dman. We can be confident that both will play in the NHL for the Oilers next year. Will they hit 200 game mark? Hopefully.

  102. Pajamah says:

    Rational Zealot: First, hockey experts are not experts.They go by reputation.This is known. Reinhart has a reputation as a top prospect and therefore is a top prospect.

    It doesn’t matter whether someone thinks he has a top pairing potential (their conclusion) if they can must no reasons to support that conclusion.

    They like him because he is big and famous.But big, famous defensemen with agility issues don’t turn into top pairing defensemen.It doesn’t happen.

    What makes your opinion more valid than men who get paid 6 figures to know these things. MacKenzie is almost the be all end all of draft experts, and has forgotten more about prospects than you’ll ever know. MacKenzie says he will be a strong NHL defenseman, just maybe not elite. I trust that more than your absolute certainty of what he will or won’t be.

  103. Snowman says:

    Rational Zealot,

    You’ve made up your mind. That’s fine. You might find you’ll be surprised and he turns into a top 4 D. And maybe he’ll keep developing like D-men seem to do and grow into a #2 or #3.

    What’s done is done. I don’t think this can be viewed as a failure in any way. Coming out of the Draft with Mcdavid, Talbot and Reinhart in the first three rounds. Somehow disappointing is not the word that comes to mind for me.

  104. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Nielsen to the leafs at 65.

    I’m happy for the kid, and I’m happy my son is happy, but it’s balanced by my bitter sadness that now my son will be a leafs fan.

    He’s going to want a Jersey and everything.

    Damn it.

  105. Visually better says:

    again, still don’t know how to add a: twat, twit, twatter, tweet, whatever….

    Dustin Nielson from 1260: ‘Chiarelli working again, he’s all over the draft floor, if i’m a betting man another oilers trade is on the way’

  106. pocession charge says:

    The Oilers haven’t done anything to improve the defence for next season. That is a big disappointment. They aren’t going anywhere with that D.

  107. Rondo says:

    TB, Winnipeg and Philly are the winners

  108. Lowetide says:

    10W30:
    LT,

    with the Talbot Signing and us not taking a Goalie prospect are the oil going to add another G in UFA or Run with Talbot/Scrivens and seek out on a D(sekera) and a RW to play with CMD?

    Not sure. I think Scrivens probably recovers but Chiarelli may want to move on from him.

  109. Rondo says:

    pocession charge,

    Jacob Chychrun

  110. pocession charge says:

    hunter1909: Technically, you could argue the same using any profession – like doctors. Many years ago people were relatively fit and healthy. Doctors were seen as an annoyance, something that wasted people’s time. Today’s society has been conditioned to accept the near deification of doctors.

    This is so wrong I can’t even begin to start. Go over to the Stollery for a few hours if you don’t think doctors are valuable.

  111. Visually better says:

    Marincin to leafs

  112. elphy101 says:

    Calgary did an amazing job at the draft, although I’m curious if the trades today, prevent them from resigning Giordano next year.

    Calgary has 21 Million in cap space currently but next year they need sign Hamilton for 6-7 Million leaving them with 15 million in cap space.

    Next year they need to sign;

    Giordano (UFA next year, talk is he wants PK Subban money at 9M)
    Jiri Hudler (UFA, will look for large raise)
    Sean Monahan (RFA off ELC)
    Jonny Gaudreau (RFA, off ELC)

    Calgary is also placing alot of reliance on Ortio

  113. Pouzar says:

    O.M.Fucking. G

    Talk me off the ledge.

    Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 6s7 seconds ago
    TOR acquires Martin Marincin from EDM for Brad Ross and a pick

  114. Oilanderp says:

    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  115. Visually better says:

    who the fuck is Brad Ross, oh yeah.. an Edmonton boy

  116. Younger Oil says:

    Kings are doing well too, aside from the Lucic overpay.

    Dergachyov and Wagner were both ones I wanted.

    Hoping for Leveille with our next pick.

  117. Connorrhea says:

    Pouzar: Talk me off the ledge.

    make room for me…

  118. commonfan14 says:

    Wonder if they’ve talked to Sekera yet. Would be nice to get his rights from LA and get something done asap of he’s receptive.

  119. Lucinius says:

    FUCK. NO.

    Damnit.

    Someone tell me this trade doesn’t suck, because at the moment.. we got fleeced ofr a good dman because of bloody sideburns.

  120. Chamucks says:

    This draft is like an abusive relationship.

  121. Visually better says:

    Just traded for a dude who was suspended for steroid use hahahahaha, and now were after Gryba hahahahaha

  122. Younger Oil says:

    Fuck this shit. God dammit Chia.

  123. Kris11 says:

    One more thing. I think it was a bad trade, but it helps me get perspective to remember that the 1st that was moved came from the Perron trade.

    Perron and the 2nd out.
    Klinkhammer and Reinhardt in.

    Talbot in.
    Picks 57, 79, and 184 out.

    CMD in!!!!!!!!!!
    Years of losing out.

    Also, Chiarelli has stated that he has the common GM’s illness of feeling a need to sacrifice at the alter of “toughness.” I wish he didn’t have this illness. But he does. And Reinhardt adds toughness. Hopefully that will be enough of a sacrifice for a while.

    When I think of it this way, I am crazy happy! Woooooooooooottttt!!!!!

    It’s like the Oilers A.) added Crosby and an excellent young goalie, but b.) the Perron trade turned out to be less good than we thought. So B is “whatever, who really cares” and A is “woooooooottt” Yet all you guys sound like the day after Pronger was traded out of town.This is better than the day Pronger was traded to Edmonton, not worse than the day he was traded out.

    So more woots, please. 🙂

  124. Oil2Oilers (formerly VanOil) says:

    Fuckn hate the Leafs are smart now. Bad trade

  125. leadfarmer says:

    Wtf. If we didn’t win the Lottery this would have been one depressing weekend

  126. Lackadaisical says:

    Haven’t read comments yet, I hope everyone is in a better mood. I know I am!

    I did not think this was going to get happen, and was part of my misgivings yesterday.Sure there’s problems, but this is EXACTLY the kind of stuff I want to see in my GM.

    What’s the current thoughts on Scrivens? Count on him trending back up and be an okay backup (the camp I’m in atm), or dump him for someone else?

    Edit after reading: Oh, Marincin gone now? Weird. Still happy!

  127. Rondo says:

    ross and 107

  128. Snowman says:

    pocession charge,

    Nurse will improve the D. I suspect the FA D we get will improve the D. If we come out of the next week with CMD, Reinhart, Talbot, and Sekera/Martin. We’ll see what happens in free agency but really there’s opportunity there.

  129. Pouzar says:

    A winger who can get under your skin. Fan-F^cking-tastic.

    Just wow….I am off the Liquor Store.

  130. Kitchener says:

    Pouzar,

    I’m actually feeling pretty good. PC is focusing on “now/soon” instead of 2019. All decisions leave other roads unexplored, but I’m glad to see the Oil adding pieces that should contribute 2015-2018 and possibly well beyond.

    Yes, there’s uncertainty involved and we just got two players (Reinhart & Talbot) instead of five bullets, but the potential upside here (1G, 2D) is easy to get behind.

    Was I looking forward to drafting Svech/Roy/Vladar/etc.? Absolutely, and that’s a bummer. But on the flip side, we now have a new and unexpected road (Reinhart & Talbot) to travel.

  131. PunjabiOil says:

    Trading Marincin for that is just dumb.

    Kyle Dubas is a smart man.

  132. misfit says:

    Brad Ross?! Are you fucking kidding me? He’s completely useless. More useless than useless, actually.

    Fuck this shit.

  133. V. Chilly says:

    What’s clear to me is that the Oilers management team felt that draft picks this year were being highly overvalued in the marketplace, and if you have a lot of something that is overvalued you sell as quickly as you can. For all of the talk of this being a generational, special draft there really was two players that are surefire stars, and somewhere between 10 and 15 guys that will be good NHL players. That is statistically a very, very good draft but the value being placed on mid to late first round and second round picks has been insane. As a fan base we have gotten so used to living and dying with the draft we’ve lost sight of the reality that most of the players that any team drafts don’t work out long-term. The Oilers got the best player in the draft and two NHL players for, as it’s often put here “magic beans”, to me that’s not bad.

  134. Younger Oil says:

    A 4th fucking round pick and a contract spot for a compenent defender comparable to what you just paid a first and second for. Fucking awful.

    I hope he becomes the next Chara.

  135. Pouzar says:

    There’s selling low and there is giving away. I am speechless.

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 2m2 minutes ago
    #Oilers acquire forward Brad Ross and the 107th overall pick from the @MapleLeafs in exchange for d-man Martin Marincin. #NHLDraft

  136. Kris11 says:

    That said, the Marinicin trade is crud, too.

    Aargh,

    But woooooooooot, too!

  137. Rondo says:

    Talent Analysis

    Ross plays a hard-nosed style but has struggled to produce offensively at the minor league level. His foot speed has been an issue and to date he has seen mostly lower line roles during his professional career.

  138. Pouzar says:

    Kitchener:
    Pouzar,

    I’m actually feeling pretty good.PC is focusing on “now/soon” instead of 2019.All decisions leave other roads unexplored, but I’m glad to see the Oil adding pieces that should contribute 2015-2018 and possibly well beyond.

    Yes, there’s uncertainty involved and we just got two players (Reinhart & Talbot) instead of five bullets, but the potential upside here (1G, 2D) is easy to get behind.

    Was I looking forward to drafting Svech/Roy/Vladar/etc.?Absolutely, and that’s a bummer.But on the flip side, we now have a new and unexpected road (Reinhart & Talbot) to travel.

    How do you feel………………………..now?

  139. Traktor says:

    Brad Ross signed a contract to play in the DEL next year.

  140. Kris11 says:

    I can only imagine that not much else was offered by other teams for Marincin. So it was either keep him (which weren’t happenin for some reason) or dump him for very little.

    I would’ve predicted very little return for Marincin.

  141. Visually better says:

    this is just awful

  142. Traktor says:

    Ross basically zero zero value so its MM for a 4th rounder after paying 16 and 33 for Reinhart.

    Just wow.

  143. Kris11 says:

    Rondo:
    Talent Analysis

    Ross plays a hard-nosed style but has struggled to produce offensively at the minor league level. His foot speed has been an issue and to date he has seen mostly lower line roles during his professional career.

    I think they call that a lack of talent analysis.

  144. admiralmark says:

    Anybody question the Howson/Mact effect on decisions still? I’m gonna puke.

  145. PunjabiOil says:

    Sad thing is Marincin might be better than Reinhart

  146. Connorrhea says:

    Gryba…

  147. Pouzar says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 11s12 seconds ago
    #Oilers acquire defenceman Erik Gryba from @Senators in exchange for the 107th pick and forward Travis Ewanyk. #NHLDraft

  148. rickithebear says:

    BOS Jesse Gabrielle top30 EVG NHLE

    F………….

  149. Frank the dog says:

    pocession charge: This is so wrong I can’t even begin to start.Go over to the Stollery for a few hours if you don’t think doctors are valuable.

    I have never lived in a society where Doctors were ever considered an annoyance. And I remember when health insurance did not exist, and doctors charged in accordance with your means.

  150. RexLibris says:

    Words fail me.

    Somebody used the term “unmitigated disaster” earlier.

    I think we left that on the road a few miles back.

    We’re in Deliverance territory now.

  151. stephen sheps says:

    And somehow Ottawa ended up with the pick in the Marincin trade?

    edit: Gryba? Oh dear god no. I hope Hall isn’t too upset with this deal.

  152. Kris11 says:

    Hey, we got rid of Ewanyk!

  153. John Chambers says:

    So basically Marincin for Gryba?

  154. pocession charge says:

    The Marincin trade was not a good one based on the return. That said, Marincin is so overhyped on this blog. Falls into the same category as Hartikainen, Omark, etc: Players with some NHL tools but lack intensity and likely all end up in Europe.

  155. NCD12 says:

    Are we actually downgrading our defence

  156. Woodguy says:

    Marincin for an AHL face puncher and a 4th?

    Fuck off.

  157. Pouzar says:

    John Chambers:
    So basically Marincin for Gryba?

    Strong on the puck. Zero sideburns.

  158. Chris says:

    So we turned Marincin into Gryba and Ross. I confess to not being overly familiar with Gryba, if he has his merits sell me on him… But man that seems like hot garbage at first blush.

  159. Woodguy says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Sad thing is Marincin might be better than Reinhart

    Truth

  160. pocession charge says:

    rickithebear:
    BOS Jesse Gabrielle top30 EVG NHLE

    F………….

    That was a dagger to your heart. My condolences to you RTB.

  161. rickithebear says:

    pocession charge:
    The Marincin trade was not a good one based on the return. That said, Marincin is so overhyped on this blog.Falls into the same category as Hartikainen, Omark, etc:Players with some NHL tools but lack intensity and likely all end up in Europe.

    He is Box protection numbers are better than Hamilton!

  162. Woodguy says:

    pocession charge:
    The Marincin trade was not a good one based on the return. That said, Marincin is so overhyped on this blog.Falls into the same category as Hartikainen, Omark, etc:Players with some NHL tools but lack intensity and likely all end up in Europe.

    Having good results playing against the toughest NHL comp is not hype.

    I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

  163. kooler says:

    Seeing a pattern….one good, one bad per day. What are these guys doing?
    Hope there’s some more D men coming….is there a chance this kid makes it past the AHL?

    Feeling sick.

  164. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    Marincin for an AHL face puncher and a 4th?

    Fuck off.

    Nope. Marincin for Kale Kessy v2.0 and Eric Gryba.

    Even better!

    Why does Chiarelli hate LT?

  165. Woodguy says:

    OTT’s Dmen usage chart last year.

    Notice Gryba being bad in an easy quadrant

    Edmonton Oilers – “We’ll take all the 3rd pairing DMen you got!”

  166. Dominoiler says:

    Well, echo, echo.. echo..

    FFS!

    Trading for Griffen to replace MM was such a waste of assets, especially when LD was relatively set.. Total down grade on the MM deal, ugly, to go along with the down grade in asset value with the GR deal.. FFS.. Because oilers..

    Soooooo, when are they going to trade for a quality Dman?!.. And with what?.. They are looking pretty tapped out, in terms of assets, with little to show for it (Talbot aside)

  167. dangilitis says:

    I hate to say it but the first 2 rounds are over and edmonton has gained the most but only through the sheer acquisition of McDavid. Calgary came out a close 2nd and that’s a huge credit to them for drafting prowess (kylington and Anderssen brilliant and may be better than the 2 picks Boston took in 1st rd) and outstanding trade for Hamilton. If the rumors are true that Edmonton offered 3 picks that were better overall than Calgary then Boston is stupid and spoiled what should have been a McDavid Hamilton sweep. If it was a play for nurse that was offered and chiarelli never put those 3 picks on the table (16 th and 2 2nd rd) then Edmonton loses for not making the bold move and boston is stupid for not circling back to Edmonton and gauging the possibility.

    Either way Neely is stupid and Calgary the beneficiary.

    Trading for Hamilton would have made a trade for talbot very tricky. I still would take Hamilton a 3rd and a 7th over reinhart and talbot any day of the week. At least talbot pushed the dial up on d rebuild – I hope, that is. The top 6 must replace at Least 2 of 3 of Schultz ference and nikitin if there is any chance of supporting talbot next year. Otherwise I sincerely worry he has a bad first half of year and we lose those 3 bullets for half a year of talbot plus whatever poor value he can be flipped for at trade deadline.

  168. Chris says:

    Anyone watch the Sens enough to give us a scouting report on Gryba? I see big and not a lot of points so I’m assuming defensive defenseman.

    I think we can conclude from the past 24 hours Chiarilli thinks Edmonton’s biggest problem besides goaltending last year was stopping the cycle. That’s what I infer from these trades.

  169. stephen sheps says:

    Chris:
    So we turned Marincin into Gryba and Ross. I confess to not being overly familiar with Gryba, if he has his merits sell me on him… But man that seems like hot garbage at first blush.

    He has a not so good history with Hall – brutal knee on knee hit.
    No offence to speak of, RHD 1 year from UFA, low cap hit.

    Basically hot garbage 6D but plays on the right side.

    I wonder what the next shoe to drop will be? Lots of Average to poor D on the bottom of the roster now.

    And Ewanyk for Ross is a wash but frees up a spot on the 50 man roster – Ross signed in the DEL

  170. NCD12 says:

    Woodguy,

    Third pairing may be generous

  171. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: Truth

    Today MM is better.

  172. Connorrhea says:

    Another bottom pairing defender, and a guy who took Hall out with a dirty knee hit a few years back.

    This is looking absolutely rudderless.

  173. Connorrhea says:

    Sens fans on reddit seem to be thrilled with getting rid of Gryba.

  174. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: Notice Gryba being bad in an easy quadrant

    He is in the shutdown quadrant with the most d-zone starts no?

  175. Rip Fan Winkle says:

    Unless Reinhart has some magic that apparently hasn’t been seen in pro hockey I think what is essentially 2 first rounders is a serious overpay. I don’t care what his draft position was, I care where he is at now. Chiarelli carries on the tradition of overpaying, hopefully not the underselling.

    Think about that Petry was a 2nd and a 5th and is young and right D. Reinhart is going to have to be top 3 to make this a win.

    Edit: Dellow must be losing his mind about now.

  176. Numenius says:

    One thing that consoles me a bit about the Reinhart trade is the thought that when it comes to trades in general for the Oil now, GMs are likely adding a McDavid tax on top of other considerations. Their asking price to the Oil will tend to be higher as a rule to offset at least somewhat the good fortune of winning the lottery for a generational player.

    It’s just the price we pay for greatness (or in this case, for the pure dumb luck that gets us greatness).

    Edit: Marincin effectively for Gryba? WTF? Now I’m despondent again.

  177. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: Having good results playing against the toughest NHL comp is not hype.

    I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

    Seriously. WTF people?

  178. dangilitis says:

    Fuck that’s brutal. Marincin would have been the steadiest vet in the reinhart nurse klefbom Schultz cluster and it completely changes how I perceive the reinhart trade. They were not adding another piece to the d they were preparing for marincin replacement. Wow this sucks and chiarelli is already regressing to the mean there. I hate that Mact is sitting there with them, he seriously needs to go now.

    Woodguy:
    Marincin for an AHL face puncher and a 4th?

    Fuck off.

  179. Pouzar says:

    Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman 3m3 minutes ago
    EDM picks Ethan Bear. Good prospect but why didn’t Boston draft him WHYYYYY

  180. NCD12 says:

    Caleb Jones

  181. pocession charge says:

    Woodguy: Having good results playing against the toughest NHL comp is not hype.

    I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

    He had okay results when paired with Petry. Other than that he was extremely inconsistent and about to be passed on the depth chart by Nurse and Davidson.

    Hype:
    promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

    For example, “Marincin was effective against tough competition in the NHL”. In reality, he was effective enough to not get his head caved in, but lacked intensity and had the offensive chops of
    Ladislav Smid. He is another third pairing defenceman on a team that has eight already.

  182. NCD12 says:

    Seths brother

  183. Pouzar says:

    Jones/Bear……….too many threads……………can’t keep up

  184. kooler says:

    Big man, big hitter …..how much better than Aulie?

  185. Магия 10 says:

    Chris: Chiarilli thinks Edmonton’s biggest problem besides goaltending last year was stopping the cycle.

    Like every coach and player in the nhl. And all the UFA G we wanf to sign.

  186. Frank the dog says:

    So, it seems gritensity is up there with size and then skill.

  187. Henry says:

    Talbot was a good move.

    Ethan Bear is a good pick.

    The rest…uhhh.

  188. bigbadbruin24 says:

    Is Seth Jones going to DEMAND a trade to Edmonton to play in the same city as his brother? Now that would be sweet.

  189. SwedishPoster says:

    So Chias honeymoon is about to end?

    I’ve really liked Calgarys draft so far. Toronto with a lot of nice adds, skill skill skill.

  190. Really? says:

    Lowetide,

    #57, #79, and #184 for Talbot.
    Is this the vaunted 3 for 1 deal we have been waiting for forever?
    If so, we certainly hope it is a difference maker.

  191. Richard S.S. says:

    GCW_69:
    If you were a cynic, one could say the Oilers went into the draft with 9 picks outside of McDavid and traded 5 of them for a 3rd pairing defender and a back up goalie.

    Why do good stay at home defenders with surprisingly good Offense keep getting called third pairing. That must make Nurse no better than a third pairing defenseman too.

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