TOP 20 PROSPECTS, SUMMER 2015

Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends, step inside, step inside. The Edmonton Oilers are a prospect factory, kind of the ‘child star’ of the hockey world. Draft pick is secured, hype machine engages, 10 years later Sam Gagner is at LaGuardia, waiting for his luggage and wondering if the guy from the Flyers will be wearing a jacket with a logo. It’s a crime.

LAST SUMMER (2014) TOP 20

  1. C Leon Draisaitl. MacT pushed him to the NHL, but I think he’s recovered.
  2. D Darnell Nurse. Strong junior season, ready to turn pro. He’s a man.
  3. D Martin Marincin. He’s off to Toronto. They’ll teach him English, maybe smile at him.
  4. D Oscar Klefbom. He’s very good at the hockey. His spot next season isn’t in doubt.  
  5. C Greg Chase. If he works hard this young man is going to be rich.
  6. C Bogdan Yakimov. Struggled in OKC early but came around later. A good one.
  7. D Dillon Simpson. Developing in the minors, check back every once in awhile.
  8. C Mark Arcobello. Passed so many first rounders we all got a little dizzy from watching.
  9. C Marco Roy. Oilers didn’t sign him. I thought he earned a contract.
  10. C Jujhar Khaira. He’d can’t post offense. It’s a thing.
  11. D Martin Gernat: God. If they sent Marincin to Toronto, this guy should read up on Muskegon.
  12. R Jackson Houck: Houck never progressed, not even a little.
  13. D William Lagesson. Mobile two-way defenseman is progressing.
  14. R Tyler Pitlick: He’s Wile E. Coyote. It’s the only answer.
  15. L Mitch Moroz: A strong final season in junior got him his pro contract and then they didn’t play him.
  16. D David Musil: The skating issues continue to be a part of the conversation.
  17. Zach Nagelvoort. Celebrated being Oil draft by losing 20 points on his SP.
  18. L Anton Slepyshev: Started slow, spiked at New Year’s.
  19. C Tyler Vesel. Showed some signed of being a player.
  20. G Laurent Brossoit. Building a solid resume, needs to keep progressing.

 

 TOP 20 PROSPECTS, SUMMER 2015

(Winter ranking in brackets)

  1. (NR) C Connor McDavid. The franchise. Words are all we have until fall, and we used them all up before the draft. I think he might start the season with Hall and Eberle, perhaps Pouliot and another veteran. If you’re an Oilers winger, that RW job on 97’s line is the ultimate. I like Chiarelli’s comments about tempering expectations, we could all adopt that attitude as we get deeper into this year. Connor McDavid is going to have growing pains, we may want to pump the breaks on Calder trophy talk, 80-point projections and calling the new arena ‘The House of McDavid’. Unnecessary pressure from us isn’t going to help. NHLE: 82GP, 23-40-63.
  2. (1) C Leon Draisaitl. Remember the days without a big C in the system? Maybe he ends up on LW but the size/skill combination is too good to trade no matter how severe the defensive woes become this fall. I love his passing, he’s a wonderful player. I also think it’s very important to give him credit for recovering his season, helping his team to a championship, and not bitching or sulking. The lesson of the ‘wander years’ of the Oiler 06+, or at least one of them, is you can grossly impact a young prospect by pushing too soon. Leon’s junior time this year was productive, and I think, or hope, vital to his development. NHLE: 82GP, 15-26-41.
  3. (2) D Darnell Nurse. The Oilers future on blue, it’s just a matter of when he arrives. The big item for Nurse is his speed, he’s a fast train who can recover quickly and pressure opponents into mistakes. I don’t think there’s evidence that he’ll score 40 points a season, but that aside, Nurse does appear to have the full range of skills. The only negative about Nurse in regard to the Oilers is ideally he would be 23 and have three years NHL experience, but for the McDavid cluster he’s absolutely perfect. We have to begin to train our minds this way, it’s going to take awhile after these five long years of Hall as the center of the cluster. NHLE: 82GP, 7-16-23.
  4. (NR) D Griffin Reinhart. Big defender (6.04, 217) was a dominant junior player, basically neutralizing his part of the ice as an Oil Kings blue (and playing monster minutes each game). His one pro season contained (in his own words) some struggles but that’s not unusual for young defenders. A big part of his game is defensive but he’s not without skill, able to jump into the rush and recover when necessary. He’s going to be part of the Oilers at some point next season, only a matter of time. SpOILer posted a fantastic Megan Richardson item from the 2014 WHL final in regard to Reinhart’s defensive dominance and ability to batten down the hatches against tough competition. Tremendous data collection and insight, please read when you have a chance. NHLE: 82GP, 6-11-17.
  5. (4) C Bogdan Yakimov. Big C impressed during TC, then struggled offensively for long stretches. It took time for him to find his way in OKC, but when he finally settled in the results started to roll in. He hit his stride in final 13  AHL games (6-6-12) before losing his season to injury. His exceptional size (6.05, 232) and physical presence (he’s a load) mean he could be effective if there’s even a little offense. I like the way Edmonton is handling him, absolutely no hurry, let him play another full season in the AHL, then review. NHLE: 82GP, 10-13-23.
  6. (5) W Iiro Pakarinen. 6.01, 205 winger with grit and skill. He came into the organization and passed damn near everybody, eventually finding his way to the NHL before injuries derailed his season a little. Pakarinen can play either wing, has good speed and has decent hands. He’s in a good spot entering training camp and should get a long look (depending on what Edmonton does with their forward roster in free agency). I think he has a real chance here. NHLE: 82GP, 16-11-27.
  7. (9) C Kyle Platzer. One of my favorite prospects in the system, he was behind pretty much everyone in London on his draft day but worked his way into a feature role. He emerged as a genuine NHL prospect in his final junior year. Platzer has skill in abundance, but before he blossomed the young man’s reputation was as a two-way type. He was a plug-and-play who got ice time because of his ability to step into any role and the added offense means he can shine higher in the order. Good arrows here. NHLE: 82GP, 12-17-29.
  8. (6) C-R Greg Chase. Gritty forward with offensive ability. Agitator of the first degree. Chase remains unique on the Oilers prospect list, a fiery player with skill and attitude, willing to give no quarter and likely to initiate trouble. That has value, and if he can do it without costing his team too many penalties, I think Chase will be successful in the AHL and (eventually) the NHL. He can play center but I bet he ends up on the wing as a pro. I know he doesn’t have the draft pedigree of these others, but don’t underestimate him. NHLE: 82GP, 8-16-24.
  9. (17) L Anton Slepyshev. It is so difficult to project prospects who play in Euro major leagues. Slepyshev scored 15 goals in a tough damn league playing 12:26 a night, that’s a substantial player (especially at 20). Began the KHL season 39GP 5-7-12, then posted 19GP, 10-3-13 to end the year. I have him behind Yakimov based on my reading of his play away from the puck, seems to me he may be a bit of an adventure and may take some time to develop that side of the game. He could arrive quickly, we should be prepared for Slepyshev to be one of the feature stories of TC, maybe he gets some rookie games alongside McDavid. NHLE: 82GP, 17-11-28.
  10. (NR) D Ethan Bear. Early this season, I made a list of CHL defensemen who were showing up often in conversation about the 2015 draft. Bear impressed me as a guy who clicked off all of the boxes: Good skater, makes pinpoint passes, makes good decisions, calm feet, built like a tank (5.11, 200) and can hit hard. Bear didn’t get a lot of ink during the year but posted good numbers and what little was written about him was positive. I don’t know if the ‘saw him good’ crowd or the math people (or both) recommended him but am pleased to see the Oilers grabbed him at a fantastic number. Cody Nickolet wrote a thorough and insightful item on him here. NHLE: 82GP, 5-9-14.
  11. (16) G Laurent Brossoit. One of the best stories out of OKC last season, Brossoit’s numbers (.918SP) suggest an actual goalie prospect on the horizon. One of my favorite moments of the season came in his NHL debut, and the young man did not disappoint (although his team did). Edmonton’s goalie situation remains fluid despite the acquisition of Cam Talbot yesterday, so it behooves the young man to keep working hard and to post an even better season in 2015-16. He’ll be in Bakersfield, but don’t count out a recall if things go wacky again in Edmonton.
  12. (14) D Joey Laleggia. Quality offensive defenseman at the NCAA level, the downside is size (5.09, 182) and the upside is a splendid puck-moving defenseman. The Oilers have a few in the system (Justin Schultz, Brad Hunt) and the level and degree of ability varies. As the Oilers aren’t going to employ many of this type at one time, it’s important that Laleggia shows he can play defense while also posting crooked numbers on the scoreboard. I don’t know how much PP time he’ll get in Bakersfield but he’s a pro now and we can see him on a level playing field with Hunt—who is an impact player at that level. His equivalency is eye popping. NHLE: 82GP, 14-23-37.
  13. (8) D Dillon Simpson. The jump from college to pro was a big challenge early for the young defender, but he found his way as the season rolled along. Simpson suffers from the same malady (imo) as Reinhart—the adjustment for defensemen college/junior to pro is substantial and takes time—but the one thing I know about this young man from observing his career is he works hard and makes progress. Like Yakimov, I think the Oilers would be best to leave him in Bakersfield for one more full season. NHLE: 82GP, 2-9-11.
  14. (NR) G Eetu Laurikainen. I’m not absolutely certain the advanced math people are getting through to management on draft day, but if they had any input on this player then they’re earning their keep. A .933SP in any league is exceptional, in fact if the kid playing street hockey outside your house is at .933, sign the man! I’ve spoken to a few people about his junior time and he impressed when he was in the dub. Cody Nickolet: Extremely athletic and doesn’t quit on a puck, great glove. Source.
  15. (29) R Andrew Miller. Season over season progress in the AHL (34 points in year one, 60 in year two) indicates the period of adjustment is over and he may be ready for a higher league. Looked like he belonged in an NHL audition, scored his first goal on a penalty shot. Reminds many of Mark Arcobello and may win a utility role in 2015-16. NHLE: 82GP, 16-19-35.
  16. (22) D Jordan Oesterle. I’ve absolutely bought in on Oesterle after seeing him at the NHL level. He’s fast! You have to respect a player with wheels and in Oesterle’s case there’s a substantial amount of good information on the resume. An offensive D who can move the puck up smartly has extreme value in this ara. Oesterle could be an NHL player by this time next season. NHLE: 82GP, 6-12-18.
  17. (NR) D Caleb Jones. A mobile defender with a reputation for being a very good passer (seemed to be a theme in this year’s draft). Looking at the team stats I doubt he got much power play time (1 assist) so it’ll be interesting to see if the boxcars spike as he moves to the WHL for the coming season. 6.0, 194, can skate well and thinks the game well based on scouting reports (ISS has a nice profile on the young man). Seth’s brother, I like the pick, we need to adjust for TOI and role when looking at the equivalency. NHLE: 82GP, 2-5-7.
  18. (7) C Jujhar Khaira. If he could only score a little more, Khaira would be much higher on this list. The Oilers have drafted so many players his size (6.03, 214) who have one flaw or another. We identify the flaw early, watch the player progress, stall and then get flushed out of the league. Travis Ewanyk is a recent example (sent away yesterday, didn’t get reported much). NHLE: 82GP, 4-5-9.
  19. (10) R Tyler Pitlick. He’s the ultimate recent example of a guy who always looks like a player but the results don’t follow. Injuries have derailed him, I think he may need a second organization. There’s always a chance, the new coach coming in might like what he brings. It would be so easy for the organization to walk away, suspect that’s what they’ll do. NHLE: 82GP, 8-16-24.
  20. (15) D William Lagesson. Physical defenseman with a reputation for being solid in coverage. It’s so hard to quantify his progress but I believe (based on reports) he had a good season and is progressing. We’ll get a better idea on him as he plays in college, there was some buzz about him moving to that level, always a good sign. Years away. NHLE: 82GP, 1-6-7.
  21. (NR) D Ziyat Paigin. Huge Russian (6.06, 209) played in the KHL as a teenager and that has to be respected. He’s a mountain, that’s going to be his calling card should he make the NHL. This is the ultimate boom/bust selection but they took him late and for me Paigin’s presence in the KHL (he played 33 games, 9 minutes a night) gets him here. ISS likes his defensive coverage. NHLE: 82GP, 2-2-4.

Paigin is No. 21, but will move to No. 20 if Pitlick leaves the organization. I included him here because he’s an interesting player worthy of discussion. I’ll have more (including a re-draft using my list, a look at those ‘math’ kids and where they went and a fantastic item from Supernova you’ll want to read) on the draft, but we’ll also be moving on to free agency and roster makeup in the coming days. Thanks so much for dropping by during the draft season, this was fun!

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  1. hunter1909 says:

    commonfan14,

    Congratulations Commonfan14! You are one of the winners of the Hunter1909 2014-15 Oilers Death March.

    Can you please let me have an email address, so we can arrange to have your prize sent to you? Thank you for your cooperation.

  2. Gordies Elbow says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    leadfarmer,

    Gryba is a RH Mark Fistric. Available in 4 or 5 days for cash. No difficulty with the deal though. Having a banger on your 3rd pairing but we already have 7 or 8 3rd pairing D

    Mark Fistric is no longer the player he was – back injuries have taken his game away.

    Gryba is a third pairing defender, and has useful traits. He’s hard to play against, which this team desperately needed. Good bet for a fourth round pick.

  3. Oil2Oilers (formerly VanOil) says:

    G Money:
    Crap, I may have to rethink my whole “Reinhart may or may not turn out to be a good trade”.

    Don Cherry likes it.

    We’re f*cked.

    He must read Meg Richardson!

    He can read right? I hope I am not being insensitive to the illiterate.

  4. theres oil in virginia says:

    commonfan14:
    I don’t know if I can stomach much more of the “It’s not Chia’s fault that Boston wouldn’t deal with him” excuse for him not getting Hamilton.

    That they came back and wanted Nurse added to the package shows that they in fact were prepared to deal with him.Now I’m all for him saying no to that, but where’s his counter?

    If he had ended up sending them #16, #33 and our 2016 first, would anyone really have been pissed about it?

    That they came back and asked for an unreasonable overpay and then accepted an underpay from the cross-province rival shows that they were in fact willing to deal with him?

  5. commonfan14 says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: Let me clarify then. You think the Oilers, when told Hamilton wouldn’t be traded to them despite offering the best package, unless they included Nurse in the deal, should have countered with a 2016 first to outbid the best bidder….themselves?

    First, I like how everyone assumes that Boston told Chia that what he offered was the best offer. or that Chia somehow knew what Calgary was offering. That makes a ton of sense.

    Here’s what we know: Chia made an offer, the Bruins countered, Chia didn’t counter back, and the Bruins accepted something lower from Calgary.

    And yes, I do wish he had unknowingly outbid himself. We’d have Hamilton right now and have gotten him at what would have still been a ridiculously low price.

    I wish he’d have done what it took to perfectly fill our most crucial hole.

    You don’t?

  6. TheOtherJohn says:

    godot10: Nurse is Larry Robinson.Reinhart is Serge Savard (after the two broken legs).Savard was actually Larry Robinson before the two broken legs.

    Would be fantastic if you are right. But 2 of the best defenseman of their generation that may be a tad optimistic

    I’m hoping that Nurse and Reinhart are a SCF worthy 2nd pairing. And I have concerns that may be a bit too optimistic.

  7. Mtl-oiler says:

    commonfan14: First, I like how everyone assumes that Boston told Chia that what he offered was the best offer. or that Chia somehow knew what Calgary was offering.That makes a ton of sense.

    Here’s what we know:Chia made an offer, the Bruins countered, Chia didn’t counter back, and the Bruins accepted something lower from Calgary.

    And yes, I do wish he had unknowingly outbid himself.We’d have Hamilton right now and have gotten him at what would have still been a ridiculously low price.

    I wish he’d have done what it took to perfectly fill our most crucial hole.

    You don’t?

    I agree with this.

    Although we’ll never know how the actual negotiation went but if PC didn’t counter Boston’s demand (wanting Nurse) with adding the 2016 1st to the 2015 16OV + two 2nds then that’s a mistake.

    I believe allot of people were willing to OS Hamilton 7.5M+ which would have ended up costing us two 1sts anyways. That being the case PCs last offer should have been at least that. 2 x 1sts & 2 x 2nds.

  8. Gordies Elbow says:

    TheOtherJohn: Would be fantastic if you are right. But 2 of the best defenseman of their generation that may be a tad optimistic

    I’m hoping that Nurse and Reinhart are a SCF worthy 2nd pairing. And I have concerns that may be a bit too optimistic.

    Stylistically, more Pronger-Gator than Robinson-Savard.

    That said, I’d be happy trying them out in Bakersfield, for a while.

    Could be a really good team this year.

    Hamilton – Yakimov – Platzer
    Slepyshev – Miller – Chase
    Christoffer(*) – Loiseau (*) – Rankin(*)
    Moroz – Khaira – Kessy

    Nurse – Reinhart
    Oesterle – Musil
    Betker – LaLeggia
    Simpson – Hunt
    Pageau (*) – Gernat

    Brossoit
    Laurikainen
    Rimmer(*)

    Let them knock it out of the park for more than half a season, and then bring them up.

  9. Edmonton_fan says:

    I heard the UFA clock is not ticking on those with less than 10 NHL games; maybe this is why Reinhart was only allowed to play 8 games so far. UFA timelines are as follows:

    Eberle – 2019
    Yakupov – 2019
    Pouliot – 2020
    Hall – 2020
    Nugent-Hopkins – 2021
    Draisatl – 2022
    McDavid – has not played 10 NHL games

    Klefbom – 2020
    Nurse – has not played 10 NHL games
    Reinhart – has not played 10 NHL games

    This is a very good core to build around. Fits a salary cap NHL perfectly!

  10. Mtl-oiler says:

    Edmonton_fan:
    I heard the UFA clock is not ticking on those with less than 10 NHL games; maybe this is why Reinhart was only allowed to play 8 games so far. UFA timelines are as follows:

    Eberle – 2019
    Yakupov – 2019
    Pouliot – 2020
    Hall – 2020
    Nugent-Hopkins – 2021
    Draisatl – has not played 10 NHL games
    McDavid – has not played 10 NHL games

    Klefbom – 2020
    Nurse – has not played 10 NHL games
    Reinhart – has not played 10 NHL games

    This is a very good core to build around. Fits a salary cap NHL perfectly!

    Draisatl – has not played 10 NHL games……..

    That’s correct he hasn’t played 10 games. He’s played 37.

  11. Hammers says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    With all of the ELC contracts, Edmonton’s in a good spot to bring in one of the free agent defenders.

    Here’s about where they sit today, assuming that Schultz is retained at $4m. This also has Nurse (3 years ELC) and Reinhart (2 years ELC) starting in Bakersfield, and doesn’t account for Connor McDavid’s likely hitting some of his performance bonuses.

    Pouliot – Nugent-Hopkins – Eberle
    Hall – McDavid – Purcell
    Draisaitl – Lander-Yakupov
    Hendricks – Gordon – Pakarinen
    Klinkhammer-Gazdic

    Klefbom – Schultz
    Ference – Fayne
    Nikitin – Gryba
    Davidson

    Talbot
    Scrivens

    This roster prices out at around $61 million.

    A great deal of money comes off of the roster next season, with Nikitin ($4.5) Purcell ($4.5) Gordon ($3,) and Scrivens ($2.3) I would expect that some of the money will go to an extensions for Talbot and Gryba. and a big payday for Oscar Klefbom.

    With that, how much and how long should be offered for Sekera/Green/Erhoff?

    You need most if not all of the Nikitin and Purcell money for Klef Talbot and Scrivens may just get resigned if he bounces back leaving Gordon plus any cap increase for Sekera or Green

  12. TheOtherJohn says:

    commonfan14: What did you think of assigning a $6 million cap hit to Boychuk until he’s 39?

    65% of the comments here wanted desperately to sign Boychuk here. But it’s a bad contract. Ok then

  13. One-Timer says:

    Things have really calmed down around here.
    Woodguy finally had a good night’s sleep, Verdad is still puking somewhere and Zealot is out with carpal tunnel.

    About GR, I’m really happy with that move.
    Oilers need top 4 D, and all you can say about a 16 or 33 pick is that he has a non-zero chance of becoming one. And that’s in half a decade from now! Reinhart, for the cost of those picks, is already a far better bet than a raw rookie, and we’ll know far sooner how he pans out.

    Next, posters argue against his 8 NHL games, as though it were a bad thing. One of this blog’s guiding principles is to bring along players slowly (especially D), letting them over-ripen in Triple-A until they can play in the big league with impact. Chia picks up a high-ranking prospect who has been given the Detroit treatment, and everyone takes a crap on him because GR isn’t killing it in the bigs yet.

    I’d like to congratulate DSF for having the prescience to know already who the top 100 players of this draft are, on the day after they were picked. That’s pretty amazing!

  14. maudite says:

    Please everyone pay attention to lt’s most important clause:

    Don’t get too hung up on player in the GR deal not being “worth it” and focusing frustration on that player.

    I may not love the deal but in all honesty I do like it the more I ponder it. We’ve been crippled too long holding onto shiney new and afraid to do anything but kick the ball down the road. A monster 21 year old with defensive prowess solid skating and passing is far from a written book here yet. How many d man end up being prematurely dumped and ultimately second or third team is benefactor of this impatience? A solid amount.

    Its a gamble but its a gamble along the lines of trading for Adam Larsson two years ago when he was looking like a weak high pick. Its a gamble that could pay off big time.

    Two years left on elc, 3 years development on someone else’s dime…its been a solid while since we actually bought low and this very well might be that. An honest to god new day is here. There will be some mistakes but the only way this team turns into something is if we aren’t risk adverse.

    I don’t lay marincin on PC and hope he kills it in Toronto. Be a solid last kiss of how this team ended up where it is. Likely give PC more stroke in decisions making as well.

  15. PDO says:

    commonfan14: First, I like how everyone assumes that Boston told Chia that what he offered was the best offer. or that Chia somehow knew what Calgary was offering.That makes a ton of sense.

    Here’s what we know:Chia made an offer, the Bruins countered, Chia didn’t counter back, and the Bruins accepted something lower from Calgary.

    And yes, I do wish he had unknowingly outbid himself.We’d have Hamilton right now and have gotten him at what would have still been a ridiculously low price.

    I wish he’d have done what it took to perfectly fill our most crucial hole.

    You don’t?

    15, 33, 57 and Nurse is not a good trade.

  16. Adam Wu says:

    If it had been an honest negotiation, Nurse would have been brought up early on, and the reportage would have been Nurse plus picks, not picks plus Nurse thrown in as a demand at the 11th hour.

    When the sudden, ridiculous demand for Nurse was included, at that point in negotiations, it pretty much telegraphed that the other side is not negotiating in good faith, and indeed the likelihood is that even if you had agreed, the deal wouldn’t have been done, and all Boston was doing was trying to be able to go the Calgary and say “Edm is offering 3 picks plus Nurse, can you throw in one more prospect to sweeten the deal?”

  17. Snowman says:

    commonfan14,

    When you look back at the facts as they are now known you should figure out that its irrelevant if PC knew he had the best offer or not. I said before, you can’t negotiate when the other party doesn’t behave rationally.

    The fact is he had the best offer and Boston didn’t take it. Who cares if he came up with an even better offer. Logic dictates that Boston should’ve taken the best offer regardless of if they could get an even better best offer from Chia Pete or not. They screwed themselves because they wanted to screw Chiarelli. Doesn’t sound like there was a winnable outcome in that scenario.

  18. TheOtherJohn says:

    Gordies Elbow: Stylistically, more Pronger-Gator than Robinson-Savard.

    That said, I’d be happy trying them out in Bakersfield, for a while.

    Could be a really good team this year.

    Hamilton – Yakimov – Platzer
    Slepyshev – Miller – Chase
    Christoffer(*)– Loiseau (*) – Rankin(*)
    Moroz – Khaira – Kessy

    Nurse – Reinhart
    Oesterle – Musil
    Betker – LaLeggia
    Simpson – Hunt
    Pageau (*) – Gernat

    Brossoit
    Laurikainen
    Rimmer(*)

    Let them knock it out of the park for more than half a season, and then bring them up.

    Gordies Elbow,

    Gordies Elbow,

    Let’s see Godot is saying Larry freaking Robinson and Serge Savard and the “scaled down” comparable is Chris Pronger. The CFP that is the best D man that ever played for the Oilers and a 1st ballot HHOF.

    Those com parables are a tad optimistic but it’s summer I guess

  19. Bag of Pucks says:

    Peter Chiarelli traded for Seidenberg, Boychuk, McQuaid and Wideman ALL before they were established as legitimate NHL defensemen.

    If he sees Reinhart as worth trading for, I’ll gladly take his track record over some poster with a man crush on Barzal.

    The future is now.

  20. Bos8 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Peter Chiarelli traded for Seidenberg, Boychuk, McQuaid and Wideman ALL before they were established as legitimate NHL defensemen.

    If he sees Reinhart as worth trading for, I’ll gladly take his track record over some poster with a man crush on Barzal.

    Yep, QFT

  21. Adam Wu says:

    TheOtherJohn: Gordies Elbow,

    Gordies Elbow,

    Let’s see Godot is saying Larry freaking Robinson and Serge Savard and the “scaled down” comparable is Chris Pronger. The CFPthat is the best D man that ever played for the Oilers and a 1st ballot HHOF.

    Those com parables are a tad optimisticbut it’s summer I guess

    You’re saying CFP was better than Coffey, Huddy, Lowe etc? It’s certainly arguable but I’m not sure it’s that clear cut….

  22. Edmonton_fan says:

    Adam Wu,

    I was in my 20’s watching the Oilers win Stanley Cups. I would take Pronger over Coffey, Huddy, Lowe etc

  23. hunter1909 says:

    Adam Wu: You’re saying CFP was better than Coffey, Huddy, Lowe etc? It’s certainly arguable but I’m not sure it’s that clear cut….

    Pronger certainly was better than Huddy, Lowe etc.

    But Paul Coffey being my all time fave Dynasty Oiler, and seeing how in his Oiler days they actually thought he was somewhere close to Gretzky…

  24. Connorrhea says:

    Edmonton_fan:
    Adam Wu,

    I was in my 20’s watching the Oilers win Stanley Cups. I would take Pronger over Coffey, Huddy, Lowe etc

    Me too, and I’d have to agree, save for questioning my recency bias.

    Pronger couldn’t compete with Coffey in many areas, but they are apples/kumquats in a comparison of defenders.

    Pronger over Huddy? Yup.

    Pronger over Lowe? Yes as well.

  25. Gordies Elbow says:

    Let’s see Godot is saying Larry freaking Robinson and Serge Savard and the “scaled down” comparable is Chris Pronger. The CFPthat is the best D man that ever played for the Oilers and a 1st ballot HHOF.

    Those com parables are a tad optimisticbut it’s summer I guess

    Speaking stylistically, not to say they’re at, or will ever be at that level.

    Here’s Pronger vs Nurse, last junior year, leading up to the draft.
    61gp – 15g – 62a – 77pts – 108pim
    68gp – 12g – 29a – 41pts – 116pim

    Scoring was higher in 92-93, though, with Mike Harding leading the way with 136 points, and Jason Dawe with 126. Best on Nurse’s team was Nick Cousins with 103.

  26. czar says:

    Woodguy,

    Thanks for the link to the Reinhart interview. Still think it was an overpay but he’s ours now and I’ll be cheering like hell for him.

  27. V.XIV.VI.I says:

    I’ve gotten over my Reinhart panic. Maybe he’ll become the rock-solid #2 guy you put a flashy kid like Karlsson with. I heard on the radio that he’s got a power skating coach now, which addresses his one real weakness.

    Adam Wu: You’re saying CFP was better than Coffey, Huddy, Lowe etc? It’s certainly arguable but I’m not sure it’s that clear cut….

    Absolutely better. Pronger made a middling Oilers club into contenders (once we sorted out goaltending). Then he goes to Anaheim and turns them into winners. And from there to Philly where they instantly became contenders. Every time he leaves, the team sees a massive dropoff.

    If I’m picking one defenceman from the 90s/2000s to build around, it’s Lidstrom. If I’m picking two, it’s Pronger.

  28. admiralmark says:

    hunter1909: Pronger certainly was better than Huddy, Lowe etc.

    But Paul Coffey being my all time fave Dynasty Oiler, and seeing how in his Oiler days they actually thought he was somewhere close to Gretzky…

    Coffey=Pronger … Apples to Oranges.
    Coffey=Niedermayer. Probably more fitting.

  29. V.XIV.VI.I says:

    czar:
    Woodguy,

    Thanks for the link to the Reinhart interview. Still think it was an overpay but he’s ours now and I’ll be cheering like hell for him.

    I get taken to school by Woodguy in arguments all too often, but I love the work he does in finding and sharing this info.

  30. hunter1909 says:

    Awaiting Moderation? Oh dear. Just delete this post.

  31. Mtl-oiler says:

    Snowman:
    commonfan14,

    When you look back at the facts as they are now known you should figure out that its irrelevant if PC knew he had the best offer or not. I said before, you can’t negotiate when the other party doesn’t behave rationally.

    The fact is he had the best offer and Boston didn’t take it. Who cares if he came up with an even better offer. Logic dictates that Boston should’ve taken the best offer regardless of if they could get an even better best offer from Chia Pete or not. They screwed themselves because they wanted to screw Chiarelli. Doesn’t sound like there was a winnable outcome in that scenario.

    You might be right and Boston wouldn’t have taken any offer from us but Chiarelli has to put his best final offer on table (two 1sts & two 2nds) before walking away. If he didn’t then he didn’t do his job.
    At worst he might have driven up the price the Flames had to pay.

  32. commonfan14 says:

    Snowman: Who cares if he came up with an even better offer.

    Boston would obviously. Let’s remember that they didn’t have to make a trade at all.

    Chia scared them into thinking they had to dodge an offer sheet, then didn’t talk to them at all on draft day after turning down their last offer.

    They doubled back and took something less from a team who kept calling them.

    Good for Calgary, terrible for both Boston and Edmonton.

  33. Adam Wu says:

    This goes against the prevailing MacT sucked narrative, but one can also interpret Chiarelli’s actions this draft as an endorsement of MacT’s prior management of forward procurement. And objectively, at least to me, MacT DID do a good job of that. (The draft floor trade that got Yak2 and Slepy into the organization may go down in history as MacT’s single best move as Oilers GM). Look at that prospect list, with Drai, Yak2, Sleppy, Pak, and Chase, all trending well, and even more importantly, all of them, if they do hit, are likely to hit precisely at a time where they can serve as useful, cheap replacements if cap issues force us to part with one of the secondary core forwards.

    It is precisely because the forwards, both on the team and in the system, are set, that Chiarelli was free to trade a pick that could turn into Barzal for an emerging D.

  34. Bryan says:

    One-Timer:
    Things have really calmed down around here.
    Woodguy finally had a good night’s sleep, Verdad is still puking somewhere and Zealot is out with carpal tunnel.

    About GR, I’m really happy with that move.
    Oilers need top 4 D, and all you can say about a 16 or 33 pick is that he has a non-zero chance of becoming one.And that’s in half a decade from now!Reinhart, for the cost of those picks, is already a far better bet than a raw rookie, and we’ll know far sooner how he pans out.

    Next, posters argue against his 8 NHL games, as though it were a bad thing.One of this blog’s guiding principles is to bring along players slowly (especially D), letting them over-ripen in Triple-A until they can play in the big league with impact.Chia picks up a high-ranking prospect who has been given the Detroit treatment, and everyone takes a crap on him because GR isn’t killing it in the bigs yet.

    I’d like to congratulate DSF for having the prescience to know already who the top 100 players of this draft are, on the day after they were picked.That’s pretty amazing!

    Good stuff

  35. hunter1909 says:

    commonfan14: Boston would obviously.Let’s remember that they didn’t have to make a trade at all.

    Chia scared them into thinking they had to dodge an offer sheet, then didn’t talk to them at all on draft day after turning down their last offer.

    They doubled back and took something less from a team who kept calling them.

    Good for Calgary, terrible for both Boston and Edmonton.

    Do you have an email address? You, along with others are a winner in the Hunter1909 Death March Contest.

  36. Adam Wu says:

    Another thing that GR gives us is redundancy. Before he was added, our prospect pool for that player type was Nurse or bust. But what if something happens to Nurse? What if he doesn’t turn out, or suffers an unfortunate injury?

    If you put your only egg into just one basket, you’re just asking to eventually have egg of your face.

    The thing about making reasonable bets is you need to make more than just one, because not all of them will turn out. The more arrows in your quiver the better.

    And looking at the team lineup now, we actually have reasonable redundancy at every position, save one. That one of course being 1D.

    Since the end of the season we have gone from a team with holes everywhere to a team with just one major hole, and a significant chunk of free money (this year AND next year) to try to fill that hole with.

  37. Bryan says:

    It’s almost impossible to compare Coffey and Pronger. To steal a phrase from LT, Coffey was touched by God in the offensive end. Defensively he could be an adventure at times but gradually improved over the years. Pronger made everyone around him better which I think is the highest compliment you can give a player. For half of a game he took care of business and nobody wanted to play against him. I will always remember Hemsky circling in his own end and Pronger depositing the puck on his stick in full flight time after time. Post Pronger the passes to Hemsky reverted to being off the back of his sweater or off the glass beside him.

  38. Adam Wu says:

    Calgary lucking into Hamilton is not that dissimilar to how the Oilers lucked into Pronger, way back when.

    And after lucking into McDavid, one almost has to expect that kind of turnaround in luck for us.

    Regression to the mean, folks….

  39. hunter1909 says:

    commonfan14:
    hunter1909,

    Thanks – commonfan14@gmail.com

    You take First Place and bragging rights – with your prediction of 65 points.

  40. gr8one says:

    Younger Oil: I actually really like what I see there.

    Likes to have the puck on his stick, loves to shoot, and seems to have a bomb from the point.

    First couple of steps are still pretty slow, but he’s actually not slow when he gets a head of steam.

    Good pick for the 7th round.

    Yeah I was pretty impressed as well, he seems to be able to make a great first pass too. Also interesting that he is LS but according to those clips he seemed to be playing a lot on the right side.

  41. admiralmark says:

    Seems like people questioning Chiarelli on the Hamilton fiasco are all making assumptions as well.

    How do we know the scenario wasnt:

    Chia: So Sween’s what’s the best offer you have so far?
    Sweeney: We have #15,#45,#52 on the table. See if you can beat it?
    Chia(calls back): How bout #16,#33,#57?
    Sweeney: That’s not bad. But how bout you throw in Nurse?
    Chia: Are you fucking with me? Our offers better.
    Sweeney: Think about it.
    Chia: Yah ok
    I’d tell them to pound sand at that point as well.

    In an analogy you’re a used car salesman(Boston). 2 guys are on the lot checking out one of your Ford Hamilton’s. 1st guy offers you $1500. 2nd guy says he’ll give you $2000. You tell 2nd guy how bout you make it $5000? 2nd guy says noooo.. too much. So you go back to 1st and take the $1500. This is bad for your business. This was a juvenile sour grapes game. Not sure how much more clear this needs to be?

  42. Snowman says:

    commonfan14,

    Actually Boston wouldn’t care if he came up with a better offer. They weren’t interested in getting the best offer, otherwise, Hamilton would be an Oiler.

    The Bruins were not interested in getting the best offer. They were interested in screwing Chiarelli. I’m not sure why you are applying logic to the Oilers and not the Bruins in this case but it doesn’t work like that.

    The Bruins took the second best offer. They took the SECOND best offer. Meaning not the best offer. Meaning they intentionally took less than they could. They intentionally did something that was not in their best interest. Agreed it was terrible for Boston and great for Calgary but it wasn’t terrible for Edmonton. It was disappointing. I lay no blame at Chiarelli’s feet for this. He had the best offer. He did what a GM is supposed to do.

  43. John Chambers says:

    Adam Wu:
    Another thing that GR gives us is redundancy. Before he was added, our prospect pool for that player type was Nurse or bust. But what if something happens to Nurse? What if he doesn’t turn out, or suffers an unfortunate injury?

    If you put your only egg into just one basket, you’re just asking to eventually have egg of your face.

    The thing about making reasonable bets is you need to make more than just one, because not all of them will turn out. The more arrows in your quiver the better.

    And looking at the team lineup now, we actually have reasonable redundancy at every position, save one. That one of course being 1D.

    Since the end of the season we have gone from a team with holes everywhere to a team with just one major hole, and a significant chunk of free money (this year AND next year) to try to fill that hole with.

    You make great points Adam, and I’ll add another:

    If Reinhart develops into a decent NHL player soon, it opens the possibility of trading him, or Nurse, or Klefbom, for a bona fide #1.

    Two days ago we wouldn’t trade Nurse + for Hamilton. But in a years time if it appears that GR is set to be a fixture in our top-4, and in theory if a player like McDonagh or Karlsson for whatever reason came up on the trade block, the redundancy you suggest gives us the assets to make the big move.

  44. TheOtherJohn says:

    Huddy and Lowe are not in the discussion

    Coffee was an offensive savant but an absolute tire fire defensively. Pronger was a very good offensive defenseman and still made MA Bergeron, Steve Staios and Jason Smith look like steady 1st pairing D. It’s the line about who’s Detroits 2nd best player—– whoever is playing with Lidstrom. One year that meant Ian White

    At their respective best you’d trade Coffey for Pronger don’t think Pronger’s GM does that deal without +++ coming back.

  45. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Paigin looks like he’s got some serious pivot issues.

    Those are wide, clunky looking turns. Under pressure they could look horrendous.

    Better passer than you’d have thought. Seems to handle the puck well.

    Reminds me of Belov actually. Good puck skills. Smart. Speed ok, but edges are a mess.

  46. commonfan14 says:

    Snowman: Agreed it was terrible for Boston and great for Calgary but it wasn’t terrible for Edmonton. It was disappointing. I lay no blame at Chiarelli’s feet for this. He had the best offer. He did what a GM is supposed to do.

    Seems to me there’s room to understand that you’re not being dealt with fairly and still get a deal done. Yes, the Edmonton offer was better, but not so much better that Boston could stomach giving the player to Chia (plus they’d have had to go sit down and get back up again, and some of these guys have bad knees). That’s certainly childish, but it’s a little out there to suggest their bitterness was so strong that there’s no offer they would take.

    Chia’s first offer was crazy low. He had a ton of room to come up and still win the deal, but he chose not to.

    Now, I suppose he was likely thinking based on the Nurse counter that Boston wasn’t going to accept anything less than an overpay and decided to just wait until he could send in his offer sheet. That’s not dumb considering that what Boston did was insane, but it was risky.

    As others have said, why not come back with an offer equivalent to or a little more that what you’d surrender with the sheet?

    Even if you end up paying more, it’s worth it because you can sign Hamilton for 8 years instead of 7.

  47. Mtl-oiler says:

    admiralmark:
    Seems like people questioning Chiarelli on the Hamilton fiasco are all making assumptions as well.

    How do we know the scenario wasnt:

    Chia: So Sween’s what’s the best offer you have so far?
    Sweeney: We have #15,#45,#52 on the table. See if you can beat it?
    Chia(calls back): How bout #16,#33,#57?
    Sweeney: That’s not bad. But how bout you throw in Nurse?
    Chia: Are you fucking with me? Our offers better.
    Sweeney: Think about it.
    Chia: Yah ok
    I’d tell them to pound sand at that point as well.

    In an analogy you’re a used car salesman(Boston). 2 guys are on the lot checking out one of your Ford Hamilton’s. 1st guy offers you $1500. 2nd guy says he’ll give you $2000. You tell 2nd guy how bout you make it $5000? 2nd guy says noooo.. too much. So you go back to 1st and take the $1500. This is bad for your business. This was a juvenile sour grapes game. Not sure how much more clear this needs to be?

    Not making any assumptions just asking a question.

    Did PC leave the best offer he was willing to give on the table or not?
    Maybe he did maybe he didn’t. I don’t know.

  48. Connorrhea says:

    Adam Wu: Calgary lucking into Hamilton is not that dissimilar to how the Oilers lucked into Pronger, way back when.

    Aside from some dubious financial advice that the Blues got, there was also some concerns about Pronger’s game. Heading into the post-lockout era where the officials were going to be ‘cracking down’ on plays that were CFP’s bread and butter, some people said that he was going to be less effective.

    So yes, they lucked out on the situation the Blues were in, but some said it was a risk to bring Pronger in.

  49. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    What you want with a player with those tools/those faults is

    1. a better skating recovery partner.

    2. gifted zone starts.

    3. hope the opposite coach is out to lunch and not forcing plays to his side.

    that said… I think the results Belov came up with under a coach that didn’t see his merits were pretty welcome.

    It probably shows that a player with this set of attributes can create more than he gives up, especially if the coach and management know what they are doing.

  50. blainer says:

    commonfan14: Seems to me there’s room to understand that you’re not being dealt with fairly and still get a deal done.Yes, the Edmonton offer was better, but not so much better that Boston could stomach giving the player to Chia (plus they’d have had to go sit down and get back up again, and some of these guys have bad knees).That’s certainly childish, but it’s a little out there to suggest their bitterness was so strong that there’s no offer they would take.

    Chia’s first offer was crazy low.He had a ton of room to come up and still win the deal, but he chose not to.

    Now, I suppose he was likely thinking based on the Nurse counter that Boston wasn’t going to accept anything less than an overpay and decided to just wait until he could send in his offer sheet.That’s not dumb considering that what Boston did was insane, but it was risky.

    As others have said, why not come back with an offer equivalent to or a little more that what you’d surrender with the sheet?

    Even if you end up paying more, it’s worth it because you can sign Hamilton for 8 years instead of 7.

    I suspect that Chia had the reinhart trade talks going at the same time and decided not to overpay DH and get GR who is still on his ELC..

  51. Snowman says:

    commonfan14,

    We’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I can’t reconcile the idea that Boston was concerned only with maximizing the return for Hamilton and taking the second best offer. (especially when you consider there were teams who didn’t even know Hamilton was available)

  52. Connorrhea says:

    Snowman,

    It could be that those teams who complained about that, were in the east. I can see Neely not wanting Hamilton to move within the conference.

  53. Bryan says:

    Connorrhea: Aside from some dubious financial advice that the Blues got, there was also some concerns about Pronger’s game. Heading into the post-lockout era where the officials were going to be ‘cracking down’ on plays that were CFP’s bread and butter, some people said that he was going to be less effective.

    So yes, they lucked out on the situation the Blues were in, but some said it was a risk to bring Pronger in.

    Pronger always had a great line for everything. I remember him commenting on the rule changes when he was first in Edmonton, saying that there were guys standing in front of the net now that he didn’t even know played in the league.

  54. Connorrhea says:

    Bryan: there were guys standing in front of the net now that he didn’t even know played in the league.

    That is great. Not knowing who they were, probably made it easier to feed them the lumber.

  55. admiralmark says:

    Mtl-oiler,

    And I think that’s kinda my point. Maybe we will get the minute details someday? Probably not. All I know is Chia had the better offer and Boston asked for miles beyond it. Our GM did what a GM is supposed to do. Their GM did not. When Chiarelli says in hindsight he doesnt think he was ever in on Hamilton that indicates he thinks he was being toyed with. From my perspective knowing what we do know.. I tend to agree. Everyones welcome to knock him for that. But I wont. I’m more upset at the Marincin deal. That was just a bad trade.

  56. Snowman says:

    Connorrhea,

    That could totally be true but it really doesn’t change the fact that Boston didn’t try to maximize the return on an asset and intentionally took less than they could.

    Like I said, I can’t reconcile the idea that they were making a rational hockey decision and the fact that they took less than they could.

  57. Masamax says:

    Small update for those interested in the Phoenix situation. IA has finally paid the bond for the TRO, the payment of which was posted on Thursday it appears. However, for those that thing IA is running on fumes, financially, it doesn’t appear much better, as the CoG had just paid them a $500,000 capital maintenance fee for Gila River on the Tuesday or Wednesday. Tomorrow the issue of the AMF installment ($3.75M) being paid into escrow or not will be decided, and with rumblings that Savard might be coming from Boston, it appears that IA is preparing for an AMF-less world this fall, meaning they have to find those savings elsewhere.

    Analysis I’ve seen online suggests that the judge may be likely to force the CoG to continue the AMF payment, at least until the next quarterly installment is due, because IA will claim it is for work already done (via bookings scheduled this summer), and that withholding it will result in significant financial harm (arguments they’ve already laid out in a previous hearing, but the judge pushed back formal arguments to today). However, this could bite them in the butt if the CoG can make the claim that, should IA not be able to afford to operate without the AMF in the short term, they wouldn’t be able to pay it back should the contract between them and the CoG be found invalid. In cases like this, escrow is often the default position. The CoG has also asked the bond on the TRO be increased to match the AMF, a sly attempt, I think, to apply pressure to IA should they be forced to pay the Coyotes the AMF. A ruling on these issues will likely take a couple days. However, the current timeline favours the Coyotes staying in Glendale this season at least, as the Talking Stick is basically already overbooked for hockey at this point. That said, the possibility of a lame-duck season seems ever higher based on the optics as well as team spending (which is comically non-existent).

  58. spoiler says:

    I can’t believe the number of posts this site eats. It is shocking the amount of time I waste just to get a few paragraphs up.

  59. Richard S.S. says:

    I think paying maybe at most $2.0 Million for both Nurse and Reinhart next year is easier for the cap than paying in excess of $6.0 Million for Hamilton. Both Nurse and Reinhart have a chance of being equal to or better than Hamilton.

  60. spoiler says:

    The more I look at Gryba’s stats, the more I like him.

    It looks like he spent most of the year hauling around a raw rookie and it affected his numbers. The rookie, Borowiecki, or Boro, as we will call him on the Barney Miller squadroom floor, had an absolutely pathetic CA60 number even on a zone start adjusted basis, dragging down all he was with and most of the time that was Gryba.

    In fact I think Reinhart is probably better in his own end right now than Boro.

    When I look at Gryba’s WOWYs on a ZS adjusted basis without the rook, he saws off. Last year, split mostly between Cowan and Methot, Gryba does better than saw off (ZS Adj).

    (Both years were with murderous zone starts).

    When I look at his most common AGAINST YOU opponents some pretty reputable names show up at the top of the list. I’d have to say he was facing MIDDLE to TOP comp for the most part (and in his own end).

    Looks like he got a little better forward linemate push last year but both years are at least middling, if not better. However this year it was with those good forwards and his buddy, the awful rook.

    Offensively he’s a black hole… and yet still managed to put up the best Assist Rate on the team at 5X5, beating even Karlsson… likely a product of those nice Fs he’s out with, but not a bad result for a guy who has an “off the glass and out” rep. A rep which I don’t mind, because making the safe play and going off the glass saves on a lot of tire fires when you’re under duress. As Mike Keenan used to say “the glass is your friend”.

    So essentially he’s a meaner tougher version of Mark Fayne.

    The Oil are going to need two good passing Dmen to play alongside Fayne and Gryba or struggle for offense again this year. I’m not sure Reinhart is at that point yet.

  61. flyfish1168 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Yak isn’t established top 6, and he doesn’t make sense next to rookie centre McD for defensive reasons and has zero chemistry with tough minutes RNH.

    I imagine Winnik-Lander against 3rd-4th line match ups would be a pretty perfect fit.

    Santorelli wouldn’t be expensive, right shot and has had some success with skilled players

    I don’t know of any 1st overall not playing top 6. Their skill set is offense. eakins is out of a job because he didn’t understand Yak. If you want Yak to succeed he needs to be played to his strengths. With a competent coach like Mclellan I believe Yak will be better and can surprise. Yak may have his deficiencies but Mclellan will know how hide it and coach through it. JMHO

  62. Gordies Elbow says:

    Richard S.S.:
    I think paying maybe at most $2.0 Million for both Nurse and Reinhart next year is easier for the cap than paying in excess of $6.0 Million for Hamilton.Both Nurse and Reinhart have a chance of being equal to or better than Hamilton.

    I would have liked Hamilton, but am happy with GR. I think that the Isles were looking at their depth chart, and Edmonton was lucky that he shook loose.

    Cap hit for each of them is $863k, with Reinhart having 2 years of ELC left, and Nurse with 3.

  63. One-Timer says:

    Forgot to mention:
    The Woodguy-Talbot connection was almost as epic as Romulus-Draisaitl. Nice work, boys!

  64. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    The most interesting thing about all the Hamilton posts is the number of people flatly disregarding the other 27 teams in the league.

  65. spoiler says:

    I have a sneaking suspicion, an insidious inkling, an evil hunch-back of a premonition, that Cam Ward will shortly be an Oiler. Maybe a Scrivens swap and then the Canes go spring another name guy off a capped team.

    The Oil will platoon the goalies, bringing Talbot in slow as a starter and then offer Ward a role as a higher-priced backup on contract renewal, if Talbot works out. If Talbot doesn’t, even then I don’t see Ward getting what he is getting now on the open market and he should be extendable at a lower number… or maybe there’s a better option FA next summer.

    This move gives the Oilers the experienced guy Asia rightly craves. A guy who has been to war and knows how to handle himself if Talbot goes down. And a name guy with Rep and a Ring to give the team confidence.

    My presentiment stems from Chia keeping his D additions cheap. That seems intentional. I wonder if they really will go after a Sekera in FA? There’s a lot of live bodies on the blue line now. And he seemed intent on keeping the core young.

    But I can see him adding a vet goalie to cover the team’s backs and Ward’s pending extension might mean there’s an opportunity to acquire there. (If not necessarily an opportunity statistically. I’m not really advocating here, although if he can be re-signed as a backup, it’s not on the whole a bad idea).

    The top UFA players will be looking for as much term as they can get and I don’t think, with the roster assembly we’re seeing, that Chia will want to commit to term with any of them. I don’t see a high end Dman coming in by UFA. Which means a top-end Dman only happens by a trade with only picks/prospects going back. Or the vaunted offer sheet lol. Highly, highly unlikely.

    We have the cap space. I don’t think it goes on D. They’ve made their 3 moves there. It will go on Ward and a Winnik type.

  66. Магия 10 says:

    Connorrhea: Is ‘all’ a number?

    1 as in 100%

  67. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Richard S.S.:
    I think paying maybe at most $2.0 Million for both Nurse and Reinhart next year is easier for the cap than paying in excess of $6.0 Million for Hamilton.Both Nurse and Reinhart have a chance of being equal to or better than Hamilton.

    Some perspective provided by Guymez at HF Oilers:

    Based on history.

    Hamilton was a 0.88 ppg dman in the CHL. Nurse was a 0.61ppg dman in the CHL.

    That is a massive difference.

    Add to that the fact that at 21 years of Hamilton has already become a 0.47 ppg dman at the NHL level. That is a massive accomplishment for a 21 year old player. As a 20 year old and as a 19 year old Hamilton (in the NHL) averaged .39 and .38 ppg respectively.

    He was playing with men as a teenager and excelling in some ways and holding his own in other aspects of his game.

    In the mean time Nurse was still playing with boys in the CHL during his 19 and 20 year old seasons.

    Nurse has been a long ways behind Hamilton for years now and will likely never catch up.

    There is little evidence to suggest that Nurse will ever be as good as Hamilton is right now in terms of being a NHL dman.

  68. czar says:

    I always think of this play when people say Coffey couldn’t play defense.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7zPZNjGjGc

  69. Магия 10 says:

    G Money:
    Crap, I may have to rethink my whole “Reinhart may or may not turn out to be a good trade”.

    Don Cherry likes it.

    We’re f*cked.

    And Spector loves it. Stopped clocks.

  70. RexLibris says:

    spoiler:
    The more I look at Gryba’s stats, the more I like him.

    It looks like he spent most of the year hauling around a raw rookie and it affected his numbers.The rookie, Borowiecki, or Boro, as we will call him on the Barney Miller squadroom floor, had an absolutely pathetic CA60 number even on a zone start adjusted basis, dragging down all he was with and most of the time that was Gryba.

    In fact I think Reinhart is probably better in his own end right now than Boro.

    When I look at Gryba’s WOWYs on a ZS adjusted basis without the rook, he saws off.Last year, split mostly between Cowan and Methot, Gryba does better than saw off (ZS Adj).

    (Both years were with murderous zone starts).

    When I look at his most common AGAINST YOU opponents some pretty reputable names show up at the top of the list.I’d have to say he was facing MIDDLE to TOP comp for the most part (and in his own end).

    Looks like he got a little better forward linemate push last year but both years are at least middling, if not better.However this year it was with those good forwards and his buddy, the awful rook.

    Offensively he’s a black hole… and yet still managed to put up the best Assist Rate on the team at 5X5, beating even Karlsson… likely a product of those nice Fs he’s out with, but not a bad result for a guy who has an “off the glass and out” rep.A rep which I don’t mind, because making the safe play and going off the glass saves on a lot of tire fires when you’re under duress.As Mike Keenan used to say “the glass is your friend”.

    So essentially he’s a meaner tougher version of Mark Fayne.

    The Oil are going to need two good passing Dmen to play alongside Fayne and Gryba or struggle for offense again this year. I’m not sure Reinhart is at that point yet.

    Nice analysis.

    Thank you.

    I’ve only had time to take a cursory look at Gryba on Vollman’s PUC relative to the OTT D and EDM D.

    It didn’t look particularly good, but he looked like a tough-as-nails, 3rd pairing guy who can keep his head above water against the 2nd and 3rd lines.

    So, if we want to continue torturing ourselves with Flames comparisons, let’s ask ourselves which we’d rather have right now: Gryba or Engelland?

    I’d take the former.

    Losing Marincin hurts, and I think he’ll be a journeyman defenseman that moves around the league a few times as teams realize they need a good, dependable, quiet defenseman who can log minutes as a 4th, 5th or 6th defenseman.

    Actually, let me revise that.

    I hope he struggles with the Leafs so they “lose” that trade.

    Then he goes to Detroit and wins a Cup.

  71. Dashingsilverfox says:

    RexLibris: Nice analysis.

    Thank you.

    I’ve only had time to take a cursory look at Gryba on Vollman’s PUC relative to the OTT D and EDM D.

    It didn’t look particularly good, but he looked like a tough-as-nails, 3rd pairing guy who can keep his head above water against the 2nd and 3rd lines.

    So, if we want to continue torturing ourselves with Flames comparisons, let’s ask ourselves which we’d rather have right now: Gryba or Engelland?

    I’d take the former.

    Losing Marincin hurts, and I think he’ll be a journeyman defenseman that moves around the league a few times as teams realize they need a good, dependable, quiet defenseman who can log minutes as a 4th, 5th or 6th defenseman.

    Actually, let me revise that.

    I hope he struggles with the Leafs so they “lose” that trade.

    Then he goes to Detroit and wins a Cup.

    With the addition of Hamilton and the emergence of Wotherspoon, I doubt Engelland sees the ice all that much.

  72. Pouzar says:

    One-Timer:
    Forgot to mention:
    The Woodguy-Talbot connection was almost as epic as Romulus-Draisaitl.Nice work, boys!

    Just remember the Newf who wanted Nurse over the big Russian since day one. 😉

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