SOME ARE BOUND TO LIVE WITH LESS

After this weekend, Oilers fans are beginning to see what Peter Chiarelli has planned for the coming season. He’s making bets on players in their 20’s, adding to the depth up the middle, and we should all hope he’s not finished tinkering.

CHIARELLI’S LIST

  1. Draft McDavid
  2. Find a quality goalie option
  3. Acquire a legit top pairing blue
  4. Sign a more offensive two-way F
  5. Ignore MacT re: Marincin (Or trade Marincin for real value and not a damn pick)

I count two more moves (a second defenseman wouldn’t go amiss) for PC, no idea if they come this summer or during the season. I think we can all agree Cam Talbot was a reasonable hire and we are badly divided on Griffin Reinhart and Eric Gryba in regard to their value to the team. Let’s start with the new 50-man list and the additions today.

50-MAN LIST AT 43

  1. G Cam Talbot (As Casey Kasem would say ‘a new No. 1′)
  2. G Ben Scrivens (Backup, suspect for the entire season)
  3. G Laurent Brossoit (AHL starter had a good year, needs another)
  4. G Eetu Laurikainen (A great damn bet)
  5. D Mark Fayne (A big part of next year’s team)
  6. D Oscar Klefbom (The future and the present)
  7. D Justin Schultz (newly qualified)
  8. D Nikita Nikitin (Waiver announcements at 10 tomorrow morning)
  9. D Eric Gryba (Another D-zone blue with NHL experience to help Fayne, Ference)
  10. D Andrew Ference (Captain pressbox, looks like)
  11. D Brandon Davidson (Could be No. 7 or first callup)
  12. D Griffin Reinhart (I predict he’ll play 49 NHL games in 2015-16)
  13. D Darnell Nurse (I predict he’ll play 70 NHL games in 2015-16)
  14. D Brad Hunt (He’ll see NHL time)
  15. D David Musil (Could get some NHL time)
  16. D Jordan Oesterle (Fast and skilled, could surprise)
  17. D Dillon Simpson (Probably a full season in Bakersfield)
  18. D Martin Gernat (They may try to get him off the roster)
  19. D Ben Betker (May need to spend some time in the ECHL if it gets crowded)
  20. D Joey Laleggia (Can learn plenty from Hunt and Oesterle in Bakersfield)
  21. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (Nuge is gonna shine)
  22. C Anton Lander (Important player for 15-16)
  23. C Boyd Gordon (veteran could be trade bait by deadline if things break right)
  24. C Leon Draisaitl (Man amongst boys in Memorial Cup)
  25. C Bogdan Yakimov (Big C still developing, factor down the line)
  26. C Jujhar Khaira (Solid checker, offense may keep him from NHL career)
  27. C Kyle Platzer (New pro has two-way skills)
  28. L Taylor Hall (Rumor of a new C coming in may help spike numbers)
  29. L Benoit Pouliot (Important player for next season)
  30. L Matt Hendricks (Had a wonderful year, can he do it again?)
  31. L Luke Gazdic (How much will he play?)
  32. L Ryan Hamilton (he’ll be the veteran hand in the  minors helping to guide the kids)
  33. L Anton Slepyshev (Can’t wait to see him in TC)
  34. L Mitch Moroz (Should see way more action in Bakersfield in 2015-16)
  35. L Kale Kessy (Lost season to injury, another chance in 2015-16)
  36. R Jordan Eberle (Top RW primed for a big year)
  37. R Nail Yakupov  (He’s still here, people!)
  38. R Teddy Purcell (Speed only real issue)
  39. R Rob Klinkhammer (4line RW, crash and bang)
  40. R Tyler Pitlick (Newly qualified)
  41. R Iiro Pakarinen (Has a chance to make the team)
  42. R Andrew Miller (A strong option for NHL time in 2015-16)
  43. R Greg Chase (His game should flourish in pro’s)

The lock for addition is Connor McDavid, after that it’s all a moving target. There was a rumor Edmonton was in talks for Mike Richards last week:

I’ve always felt that adding forward depth—a Pisani—was an important step to building a balanced team, something MacT never did get around to and Steve Tambellini gave up on once finding Ryan Jones and Lennart Petrell.

CURRENT PROJECTION FOR OILERS 2015-16

  • GOAL: Cam Talbot (backup, Ben Scrivens)
  • TOP PAIRING: Oscar Klefbom—Justin Schultz
  • SECOND PAIRING: Niki Nikitin—Mark Fayne
  • THIRD PAIRING: Griffin Reinhart—Eric Gryba
  • EXTRA DEFENSE: Andrew Ference (callups Darnell Nurse, Brandon Davidson, others)
  • TOP LINE: Taylor Hall—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Jordan Eberle
  • SECOND LINE: Benoit Pouliot—Connor McDavid—Teddy Purcell
  • THIRD LINE: Leon Draisaitl—Anton Lander—Nail Yakupov
  • FOURTH LINE: Matt Hendricks—Boyd Gordon—Rob Klinkhammer
  • EXTRA FORWARDS: Luke Gazdic, Tyler Pitlick, (callups Iiro Pakarinen, Andrew Miller, others)

If you could pull some voodoo and add Sekera—Burns and Daniel Winnik, while offloading Niki Nikitin, Justin Schultz and Luke Gazdic (as examples), then I think we’re probably looking at a team that can compete many nights in the NHL. How far are we from this alignment? A year? That might be aggressive.

WHAT WILL CHIARELLI DO IN FREE AGENCY

I think we’ll see an attempt to find some defensive help, suspect the shopping is going to be difficult. Perhaps the Pisani comes from the free-agent pool (I see Riley Nash is on the way to being a free agent) and of course the top pairing defender is likely a trade and may not be here for some time. I don’t think Chiarelli is done, but the big piece he needs (the top pairing blue) is going to cost a pretty penny and probably a valuable asset.

Are you all ready for this?

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  1. Gordies Elbow says:

    Pouzar:
    Why do the smart people here continuously engage the obvious DSF troll?
    I mean come on.

    Many use it as a means to disparage the Vancouver Canucks.

    It’s a pretty low bar, though, as with trades like Luongo’s (maybe understandable) Schneider’s (less understandable,) and now Lack’s (not sure that they’re even following along…)

    Hell, today Vancouver didn’t qualify Yannick Weber, who while I didn’t think that he was a great player, seems like a shocking miss, looking at their team.

  2. Pouzar says:

    Snowman:
    Ryan,

    who cares if he becomes elite. If he plays 1000 games as a second pair monster that’s good value.

    Nurse will take of Elite while Reinhart takes care of Schultz.

  3. Halfwise says:

    Derek:
    How on earth did Loik Leveille slide through the draft?He’s listed at 6’0, 220 pounds, put up 54 points in 68 games as well as 1.0 Pt/G in the playoffs and has puck handling and strong skating listed as positives?

    Agreed. I thought the Oilers would draft him late.

    Glad they have both him and Paigan in their sights.

  4. spoiler says:

    Ryan: Now you’re just being silly. Saying that the Islanders haven’t given up on him is a pretty low bar to set. I’d say they sure as shit gave up on him being a top pairing defenseman and/or an important part of their d corps going forward or they wouldn’t have traded him…

    But not as ridiculous as you apparently, son.

    I would say they had a surplus in this area (which is pretty obvious) and saw a way to balance that surplus with something valued.

    Much like if Ebs were to be traded for a top Dman. Doesn’t mean we gave up on Ebs.

    Talk about trying to split semantical hairs.

  5. RexLibris says:

    Dashingsilverfox: I don’t think GR has that potential or he wouldn’t be flailing away in the AHL and doing nothing in the NHL.

    I request that this comment be sent to moderation until five years following Reinhart’s draft year.

    🙂

  6. G Money says:

    kinger_OIL: I forgot to give props to GMoney – He got his G! Neat for you to do all that work, make the call that Talbot is the guy, then see the team get “your guy”!

    spoiler: And I think we should give Chia credit for turning Petry into Talbot, who if he becomes what GMoney has *promised* us he will (lol), will actually be a reasonable return.

    In fairness, it was WG that started carrying the banner for Talbot (and promised he’ll become elite).

    I just brought the math to prove he was right!

    Bonus points: I was trying to prove him wrong.

  7. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: I request that this comment be sent to moderation until five years following Reinhart’s draft year.

    :)

    Well amen to that!

  8. Dashingsilverfox says:

    spoiler: But not as ridiculous as you apparently, son.

    I would say they had a surplus in this area (which is pretty obvious) and saw a way to balance that surplus with something valued.

    Much like if Ebs were to be traded for a top Dman. Doesn’t mean we gave up on Ebs.

    Talk about trying to split semantical hairs.

    Talk about a failure of logic.

    The Islanders didn’t trade their best RW for a top a pairing D.

    They traded their 7-8th best D for 2 draft picks….that they obviously thought were more valuable than a struggling prospect.

    You’re right in that they traded for balance but they certainly didn’t think they were trading away Eberle for magic beans.

    GR is no Eberle.

  9. Gerta Rauss says:

    eidy:
    Can someone explain the camp roster invitees/signings.If they weren’t drafted are they automatically back in for next years draft or is there a window to sign them?

    thanks

    These are kids that have passed through the draft, and have been invited to various teams junior camps. The 3 mentioned earlier had multiple offers and chose the Oilers camp ( more of the McDavid effect I would suggest)

    No contracts, no commitments, just a look at the kid with no strings attached

    They are eligible for the draft for 2 years iirc

    There is a window/deadline in Sept that you can sign these kids(Tkachev) to an ELC

  10. Магия 10 says:

    Ryan: Rumors that they would not have traded him if Barzal wasn’t on board are not fact either.

    Between your swagger and Garth I’m going with Garth

    “We wouldn’t have made the deal if [Barzal] wasn’t there,” Snow said.

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/islanders-twice-trade-up-into-first-round-of-nhl-draft-1.10585227

    Edit. If you hear a rumor that Chia would not have taken Barzal if he used 16 that one is a quote from Chia.

    Rumor mongers all.

  11. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lowetide: Well amen to that!

    Not too long to get an answer.

  12. G Money says:

    So I just got back from the cabin and found out that this sad event:

    http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/06/29/calgary-firefighters-in-mourning-after-member-dies-in-bc-boating-accident

    happened on our lake yesterday.

    Had no idea it had happened until now.

  13. theres oil in virginia says:

    G Money: Bonus points: I was trying to prove him wrong.

    Well, I hope you learned your lesson!

  14. flyfish1168 says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    Mmkkay folks…there is the expected putting lipstick on a pig scenario going on here.

    Let’s take a look at GR and his contemporaries.

    The 2012 draft was very D heavy and there have been some very good D selected since then.

    Here is my ranking of 1st round D taken in 2012, 2013 and 2014. (your mileage may vary)

    Aaron Ekblad

    Morgan Rielly

    Hampus Lindholm

    Seth Jones

    Matt Dumba

    Jacob Trouba

    Elias Lindholm

    Rasmus Ristolainen

    Olli Maata

    Cody Ceci

    Derek Pouliot

    Darnell Nurse

    Mirco Mueller

    Nikita Zadorov

    Ryan Pulock

    Griffen Reinhart

    Reinhart doesn’t crack the top 15 despite being picked 4th overall and has been passed like a house on the side of the road by several players from his own draft class.

    There’s not a player on the above list that I would trade for GF straight up.

    Garth Snow figured out he made a mistake and, like any good GM, found a way to recover from it.

    To my eye, GF has 3-4-5 upside while his contemporaries have blown him away.

    It’s nice to add an average 2nd paring D but paying what was essentially 2 1st round picks to acquire such a player just isn’t smart.

    If either of Barzal or Beauvillier reach their draft pedigree, Chiarelli will look like a rube.

    If both do, he’ll look like a total doofus.

    I love how you rank each d-man bias aside. Since you rank Ekblad so high you must feel he deserves the Calder over johnny one year wonder yahoo.

  15. spoiler says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Talk about a failure of logic.

    The Islanders didn’t trade their best RW for a top a pairing D.

    They traded their 7-8th best D for 2 draft picks….that they obviously thought were more valuable than a struggling prospect.

    You’re right in that they traded for balance but they certainly didn’t think they were trading away Eberle for magic beans.

    GR is no Eberle.

    That’s twice tonight you have struggled with English comprehension. Go look up “analogy” for your homework, followed by non sequitur.

  16. Dashingsilverfox says:

    flyfish1168: I love how you rank each d-man bias aside. Since you rank Ekblad so high you must feel he deserves the Calder over johnny one year wonder yahoo.

    In a heartbeat.

    What Ekblad accomplished as a young 18 year old was remarkable.

    He is the next Chris Pronger.

    GR not so much.

    🙂

  17. Dashingsilverfox says:

    spoiler: That’s twice tonight you have struggled with English comprehension. Go look up “analogy” for your homework, followed by non sequitur.

    You know…I spent several years teaching English in college.

    I think I’ll be okay.

    You may want to take a refresher course in basic logic.

  18. G Money says:

    theres oil in virginia: Well, I hope you learned your lesson!

    You’d hope so but I really doubt it!

  19. spoiler says:

    Ryan: Rumors that they would not have traded him if Barzal wasn’t on board are not fact either.

    It doesn’t sound like you are informed enough to take a lead in this argument.

    No wonder you didn’t get John Carter’s non sequitur statement.

  20. spoiler says:

    Dashingsilverfox: You know…I spent several years teaching English in college.

    I think I’ll be okay.

    You may want to take a refresher course in basic logic.

    Which, btw, I have a degree in. I look forward to your explanation of the short phrase “Much like…”

  21. RexLibris says:

    spoiler: But not as ridiculous as you apparently, son.

    I would say they had a surplus in this area (which is pretty obvious) and saw a way to balance that surplus with something valued.

    Much like if Ebs were to be traded for a top Dman. Doesn’t mean we gave up on Ebs.

    Talk about trying to split semantical hairs.

    Reminds me of a “conversation” I had over at FN early last season when a commenter there said the Oilers “gave up” on Gretzky. I wish I’d been able to put that person in a fMRI at the time just to get a glimpse as to what expression the hamster inside that person’s head had on his face when he was turning that wheel.

    The Islanders didn’t give up on Reinhart. They moved a surplus asset at high value to address an opportunity that they’d identified as having a high potential return. The Oilers felt the same by acquiring a defenseman whose age slots in perfectly with Nurse and Klefbom while also adding as close an NHL-ready defenseman as they could under the circumstances.

    Was #33 too much? Yes.

    Does the D. Hamilton move earlier make it seem grossly inflated and make you want to rip apart cars with your bare hands? Yes.

    Was it a fatally flawed move whose only logical conclusion is one of heartbreak and disappointment for Oiler fans? No. Not at all.

  22. rickithebear says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Mmkkay folks…there is the expected putting lipstick on a pig scenario going on here.
    Let’s take a look at GR and his contemporaries.

    Something i posted earlier today.
    In the Chia picture Post.
    Defence with Nhl D.

    RICKITHEBEAR says:
    June 29, 2015 at 12:38 pm

    Young D in first 2 rounds with CA/60 with real NHL D.

    2009:
    Hedman 49.28
    OEL 50.97
    Ellis 49.94
    DeHann 52.06 44.03 W/ GR
    Kulikov 51.29
    Leddy 47.69
    Rundblad 48.42
    Despres 47.97
    Gelinas 47.30
    Orlov 50.99

    2010:
    Gudbranson 52.68 CA/60
    Fowler 52.96
    Pysyk 53.81
    Faulk 53.4

    2011:
    A. Larsson 42.70 best young # in the game.
    Hamilton 49.21
    Brodin 50.06
    R. murphy 52.65
    Klefbom 52.67

    2012:
    Murray 50.99
    Reinhardt 44.03 3gm with De Hann
    Lindholm 51.90
    Dumba 50.83
    Pouliot 49.24
    Trouba 50.62
    Ceci 52.38
    Maata 50.22
    Severson 50.12

    2013:
    S. jones 49.14
    Nurse 45.38 2gm NHL
    Zadorov 51.67

    GR 44.03
    Nurse 45.38
    it is a hint.
    A glorious hint!

  23. G Money says:

    I think we should stop talking about Griffin Reinhart until at least the end of next season.

    There are red flags.

    There is also the reality that Chia Pete has proven to have a really good eye for defensemen.

    He’s going to prove somebody real right and somebody else real wrong.

    Personally, after all the sturm and drang, I think he’s found his next Dennis Seidenberg – top 4 minute muncher and shut down guy – for the next decade.

    But the proof will start eating the pudding this season.

  24. Ryan says:

    spoiler: But not as ridiculous as you apparently, son.

    I would say they had a surplus in this area (which is pretty obvious) and saw a way to balance that surplus with something valued.

    Much like if Ebs were to be traded for a top Dman. Doesn’t mean we gave up on Ebs.

    Talk about trying to split semantical hairs.

    As Tyler Dellow, the proprietor of mc79hockey.com, wrote on Twitter, “I’d like to see a study sometime of first rounders who get traded within three years of being drafted. Bet they have terrible record.”

    the 24 first-round picks previously traded within three years of their selection, maybe five have panned out as expected, with a few more who still have a chance to make good on their initial high prospect stock.

    It’s a small sample size, but Dellow does appear to be right, and logically, he should be: Nobody knows a team’s prospects better than the team with those prospects. If a general manager is willing to give up on a player whom he could not wait to add to his organization only 36 months or less ago, it is wise to look at the reasons why.

    ”

    http://www.sporting news.com/nhl/story/2013-03-25/first-round-picks-traded-nhl-trade-rumors-joe-morrow-brayden-schenn-ryan-mcdonag

  25. flyfish1168 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: In a heartbeat.

    What Ekblad accomplished as a young 18 year old was remarkable.

    He is the next Chris Pronger.

    GR not so much.

    DSF you are comparing apples to apples. But you have to remember GR apple is not going to be the same type as Ekblad apple. You seem to like a certain apple and GR is like a good apple cider which means you have to let it age a little. So be patient. GR will be coming around.

  26. G Money says:

    Curious as to why no-one has mentioned Viktor Stalberg being on buyout waivers?

    Last time he came up as UFA out of Chicargo, he was a bit of a fancystats darling as a solid two-way third line guy.

    Maybe he dropped out of the picture because of da money he commanded post Stanley.

    But presumably he’s back in the picture. Might be a solid consideration for LT’s “Pisani Next”.

  27. Pouzar says:

    RexLibris: The Islanders didn’t give up on Reinhart. They moved a surplus asset at high value to address an opportunity that they’d identified as having a high potential return.

    Jezzuz….does it get any simpler than that? Thank you.

  28. flyfish1168 says:

    G Money:
    Curious as to why no-one has mentioned Viktor Stalberg being on buyout waivers?

    Last time he came up as UFA out of Chicargo, he was a bit of a fancystats darling as a solid two-way third line guy.

    Maybe he dropped out of the picture because of da money he commanded post Stanley.

    But presumably he’s back in the picture.Might be a solid consideration for LT’s “Pisani Next”.

    I love his play in Chicago. It would be great if you comes this way.

  29. Dashingsilverfox says:

    spoiler: Which, btw, I have a degree in.I look forward to your explanation of the short phrase “Much like…”

    Awesome…duelling degrees!

  30. Pouzar says:

    G Money:
    Curious as to why no-one has mentioned Viktor Stalberg being on buyout waivers?

    Last time he came up as UFA out of Chicargo, he was a bit of a fancystats darling as a solid two-way third line guy.

    Maybe he dropped out of the picture because of da money he commanded post Stanley.

    But presumably he’s back in the picture.Might be a solid consideration for LT’s “Pisani Next”.

    http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2015/06/29/top-five-under-the-radar-nhl-unrestricted-free-agents/

    EDIT: Erat was a Corgi monster on that shit team? Wow.

  31. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    I think we should stop talking about Griffin Reinhart until at least the end of next season.

    There are red flags.

    There is also the reality that Chia Pete has proven to have a really good eye for defensemen.

    He’s going to prove somebody real right and somebody else real wrong.

    Personally, after all the sturm and drang, I think he’s found his next Dennis Seidenberg – top 4 minute muncher and shut down guy – for the next decade.

    But the proof will start eating the pudding this season.

    I once spent a Sunday tracking Johnny Boychuk’s career. He’s Chris Sabo, only better. If you can find that guy, you’re good.

  32. spoiler says:

    Ryan: As Tyler Dellow, the proprietor of mc79hockey.com, wrote on Twitter, “I’d like to see a study sometime of first rounders who get traded within three years of being drafted. Bet they have terrible record.”
    the 24 first-round picks previously traded within three years of their selection, maybe five have panned out as expected, with a few more who still have a chance to make good on their initial high prospect stock.
    It’s a small sample size, but Dellow does appear to be right, and logically, he should be: Nobody knows a team’s prospects better than the team with those prospects. If a general manager is willing to give up on a player whom he could not wait to add to his organization only 36 months or less ago, it is wise to look at the reasons why.

    Ryan, no one is saying that Reinhart was the best available at #4 in his draft year and that’s the value we should expect.

    In fact we are all saying (or almost all) that if he was kicking out the jams in that way no way does 16+33 get him.

    And we know that Snow would not have made the deal for the 16+33 blind or even if Barzal was not there.

    No way would MC apply the general to 100% of the specifics… like Tyler Seguin or Joe Thornton for instance. Which is why we have done what the study says and gathered more information.

  33. Tire Fire says:

    Ryan,

    Yep, Dellow with a pretty good argument that Reinhardt is probably no longer as valuable as a #4 pick. Of course, that’s not the point anyone is debating….

  34. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    I’m a little surprised at the amount of debate going on around Reinhart. LT summed it up perfectly a couple of posts ago.

    – There’s a camp of people that is disappointed the Oilers couldn’t land Hamilton; I include myself in that camp.

    -Within that camp, there is a group of people who feel the Flames got Hamilton for equal or less than Griffin Reinhart, when Hamilton is clearly the superior player.

    -There’s also a camp of people that is disappointed the Oilers gave up Barzal to get Reinhart.

    -The Oilers did not need Barzal. The Islanders wanted Barzal; because Barzal was available, Snow was willing to trade Reinhart. The Isles spent three years slowly developing Reinhart and wanted a sweetener in the deal. The Oilers really wanted Reinhart so they bit the bullet and added in #33.

    -If Reinhart pans out and becomes a strong top 4D for a decade, it really doesn’t matter to the Oilers if Barzal becomes a nice 2C.

    -Oiler fans here have clamored for years to take BPA even if you have excess in that position because you can then trade from that area to fill another area of need. This is exactly what the Oilers did. Effectively, they drafted Barzal at #16 and traded him + #33 to get Reinhart.

    Was the price steep? Yes. Was the strategy flawed? No. If Reinhart works out, this is a very nice move by Chiarelli.

    Right now the grade is “incomplete” no matter what you want to say about it. Check in again in two summers (draft + 5 years).

  35. Robinthe403 says:

    Has anybody come across any info regarding the Oilers Prospects Development Camp, which, as far as I know, starts in the very near future?

    You know, the basics like who, where, when?

    Any info to share at all will be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks!

  36. RexLibris says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Awesome…duelling degrees!

    Oooh, semantics and exposition at high noon.

  37. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: I once spent a Sunday tracking Johnny Boychuk’s career. He’s Chris Sabo, only better. If you can find that guy, you’re good.

    Minus the geeky glasses

  38. spoiler says:

    Dashingsilverfox: You may want to take a refresher course in basic logic.

    Haha… this from the guy who has made the argument in this very thread that he would not trade any defenseman on his list above Ceci for the 16+33 and that he would only trade the 16+33 for one of the defensemen above Ceci.

    Essentially making you Tambo.

  39. RexLibris says:

    Robinthe403:
    Has anybody come across any info regarding the Oilers Prospects Development Camp, which, as far as I know, starts in the very near future?

    You know, the basics like who, where, when?

    Any info to share at all will be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks!

    http://flamesnation.ca/2015/5/22/dates-set-for-penticton-rookie-tournament

    Ryan had an article up awhile back.

  40. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: Oooh, semantics and exposition at high noon.

    Oh, I am pretty sure someone will grab the pistol marked “Rhetoric”.

    Edit: That was pretty funny though.

  41. G Money says:

    Pouzar: http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2015/06/29/top-five-under-the-radar-nhl-unrestricted-free-agents/
    EDIT: Erat was a Corgi monster on that shit team? Wow.

    Interesting article. Erat, Stalberg, and Frolik all look really interesting. But of course, probably unnecessary in a lineup that almost certainly will already have Poo-RNH-Eb-Hall-McDeity-Yak-Drai-Lander-Purcell-Jimi-Gordon-Thor up front. CONCENTRATE ON THE DEFENSE, CHIA. YOU AIN’T DONE YET!!!

  42. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    As for not bringing in a bigger name UFA D, I do think that is a mistake. The blue line is either too young or too old/brittle.

    Too green:
    Schultz
    Klefbom
    Nurse
    GR

    Too old/brittle:
    Nikitin
    Ference

    Responsible vet who can hold his own:
    Fayne.

    Bringing in Sekera puts everyone in easier roles and puts Nurse in the AHL to start the year. 5 years x $6M for him (takes him to age 34 so he can get one more under-35 contract as a UFA). Re-sign Schultz for the same QO (it’s an overpay but that ship has sailed).

    Sekera-Schultz (o-zone pair)
    Klef-Fayne (shut-down pair)
    Reinhart-Gryba ( less minutes pair)
    Ference (press box role to prepare for his future job as eye in the sky post-retirement)

    Nikitin: trade @ 50% retained ($2.25M) for a bag of pucks and avoid the buy-out that would have a $1.5M cap hit for two years.

    I could live with this D for now.

    Summer of 2016 either Schultz has delivered or he is gone. Nurse is up and ready. Get off the pot time for Musil, Oesterle, Simpson, Laleggia by then.

  43. dangilitis says:

    Dashingsilverfox: You know…I spent several years teaching English in college.

    I think I’ll be okay.

    You may want to take a refresher course in basic logic.

    You know, I scored greater than the 97th percentile on the MCAT… And that makes my points about Sean Monahan and Griffin Reinhart valid because…?

    Just when I think that you cannot possibly honk your own horn any louder, you surprise me with another show stopper…

    P.S. I had a shitty English teacher in University…

  44. G Money says:

    spoiler: Essentially making you Tambo.

    LOL.

    I do believe you’ve solved the conundrum, troll-wise. It’s always mystified what the hell motivates DSF to do the weird shit that he does.

    Now even the moniker makes sense – no doubt, Tambo always wanted to be a dashing silver fox like MacT.

    Henceforth, I shall refer to DSF as DashingTambo.

    Beauty.

  45. spoiler says:

    Tire Fire:
    Ryan,

    Yep, Dellow with a pretty good argument that Reinhardt is probably no longer as valuable as a #4 pick.Of course, that’s not the point anyone is debating….

    Precisely.

  46. RexLibris says:

    It was mentioned earlier but I haven’t yet seen a response so I’ll restate:

    does anyone have an idea as to the contractual options available to the Oilers for those players invited to training camp?

    Soy, et al – can they be signed to PTOs, AHL deals, or even NHL ELCs?

    And if so, could that person forward the relevant information (with CBA notations, if available) to the Oilers HO, just to prevent any future misunderstandings about eligibility?

    Thanks!

  47. Pouzar says:

    G Money: Interesting article. Erat, Stalberg, and Frolik all look really interesting.But of course, probably unnecessary in a lineup that almost certainly will already have Poo-RNH-Eb-Hall-McDeity-Yak-Drai-Lander-Purcell-Jimi-Gordon-Thor up front.CONCENTRATE ON THE DEFENSE, CHIA.YOU AIN’T DONE YET!!!

    Erat could be a cheap RW option that could move up and down lineup. Very solid possession numbers in the 2 way quadrant on a crap Coyotes team. Could be the D conscience on a McDavid line?

  48. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    G Money: Interesting article. Erat, Stalberg, and Frolik all look really interesting.But of course, probably unnecessary in a lineup that almost certainly will already have Poo-RNH-Eb-Hall-McDeity-Yak-Drai-Lander-Purcell-Jimi-Gordon-Thor up front.CONCENTRATE ON THE DEFENSE, CHIA.YOU AIN’T DONE YET!!!

    Would love Frolik as a Purcell replacement. I just worry what the cost of his contract would be. He can play up the lineup with skill in a pinch, and is perfect as a left-hander RWer in a 3rd line role as well.
    Has size, skating and two-way acumen.

  49. RexLibris says:

    spoiler: Oh, I am pretty sure someone will grab the pistol marked “Rhetoric”.

    Not before You-Know-Who shoots six off with his ivory-handled Hyperbole .45

  50. G Money says:

    RexLibris: spoiler: Oh, I am pretty sure someone will grab the pistol marked “Rhetoric”.
    Not before You-Know-Who shoots six off with his ivory-handled Hyperbole .45

    You guys are money!

  51. Pouzar says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: Would love Frolik as a Purcell replacement. I just worry what the cost of his contract would be. He can play up the lineup with skill in a pinch, and is perfect as a left-hander RWer in a 3rd line role as well.
    Has size, skating and two-way acumen.

    Yeah Frolik will cost at least that $4.5 million that Teddy makes. He is hardly “under the radar” as per the title of the article I posted. Why I suggested Erat on a cheaper shorter term deal.

  52. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    RexLibris,

    8.9 Eligibility for Play in the League. No Player shall be eligible for play in the League unless he:
    … had been eligible for claim in the last Entry Draft, but was unclaimed, and:
    … had played hockey in North America the prior season and was under age 20 at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the Major Juniors season (except that if such Player had signed an NHL try-out form, which was signed and registered with the League during the aforesaid time period, then the deadline for signing and registering with the League an SPC with such try-out Club shall be the commencement of the NHL Season).
    … The words “the prior season”… above mean “a full season prior to the last Entry Draft.

    Tkachev had played in the KHL the prior season. Soy played in Victoria, therefore he is eligible to be signed.

    Who else were you asking about? Leveille? QMJHL. He is eligible.

  53. G Money says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”,

    The long and short of it is that I hope Chia signs Leveille and Tkachev. (baddump … bump?)

  54. Магия 10 says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: – There’s a camp of people that is disappointed the Oilers couldn’t land Hamilton; I include myself in that camp.
    -Within that camp, there is a group of people who feel the Flames got Hamilton for equal or less than Griffin Reinhart, when Hamilton is clearly the superior player.

    Those do not sound like a camp or part of a camp. I thought both sides agreed on both those points. The GR trade only arises after Sweeney shoots a few warning shots into his feet.

  55. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Lowetide: I once spent a Sunday tracking Johnny Boychuk’s career. He’s Chris Sabo, only better. If you can find that guy, you’re good.

    Of course I’m sure the Oilers can wait out the 9 years it took Boychuk to play in the NHL.

    They have all the time in the world.

  56. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Elias Lindholm has top pairing 1D potential. You heard it here first folks.

    DSF you are a treasure.

  57. G Money says:

    G Money: McDeity

    Sigh. I accidentally triggered a Blackstreet earworm in myself.

    Play on playa
    Play on playa
    McDeity
    No doubt

  58. theres oil in virginia says:

    spoiler: Oh, I am pretty sure someone will grab the pistol marked “Rhetoric”.

    It’s really more of a sawed-off shotgun. BTW, you have a good memory. I had to look up the John Carter reference. It rang the smallest bell. When I found the thread (“blah blah blah site:lowetide.ca” works wonders), I remembered. I still feel bad for trashing that kid’s show. I don’t think I ever got the John Carter reference though. If so, I’ve forgotten and that thread offers no insight.

  59. spoiler says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos” says:

    June 29, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    As for not bringing in a bigger name UFA D, I do think that is a mistake. The blue line is either too young or too old/brittle.
    Too green:
    Schultz
    Klefbom
    Nurse
    GR
    Too old/brittle:
    Nikitin
    Ference
    Responsible vet who can hold his own:
    Fayne.

    +Gryba, there MacT. 😉

  60. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    G Money:
    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”,

    The long and short of it is that I hope Chia signs Leveille and Tkachev.(baddump … bump?)

    Dad jokes aside, think Tkachev on an AHL deal with Yakimov would be a nice move.

  61. G Money says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: Dad jokes aside

    OOOOH, LOW BLOW YOU SON OF A GUN!!!

  62. spoiler says:

    theres oil in virginia: It’s really more of a sawed-off shotgun.BTW, you have a good memory.I had to look up the John Carter reference.It rang the smallest bell.When I found the thread (“blah blah blah site:lowetide.ca” works wonders), I remembered.I still feel bad for trashing that kid’s show.I don’t think I ever got the John Carter reference though.If so, I’ve forgotten and that thread offers no insight.

    Lol… On Barsoom, John Carter was known as “Virginia”.

    I don’t remember the show trashing though. You’re a pretty gentlemanly commentor in my books.

  63. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    spoiler: +Gryba, there MacT.

    He doesn’t really fit in the categories I listed. Think he is a bottom pair, low minutes guy, not brittle, not young, not old.

    I don’t mind picking him up because he costs way less than McQuaid for a similar role. That still doesn’t justify the MM trade, though.

  64. mustang says:

    spoiler:
    Shizuka,

    Do you think 16+33 could have got you Trouba?

    Would they have got you Reinhart a year ago?

    Good-looking lottery tickets are still lottery tickets.

    And I’m not saying the draft is unimportant. But adding a good defenseman to the McDavid cluster was more important.

    Ever since MacT uttered the words BOLD MOVE everyone wanted a bold move. Well guess what, trading for GR is a very bold move considering the depth of this draft. Green put his ass on the line for this kid so did PC. Trade Calgary made wasn’t bold, Sweeney blew his brains out and delivered Hamilton to BB on a platter. Ya I wish he delivered him to us instead but the Bruins hate PC so that’s why he did what he did. I’m glad PC is making the bold moves and not MacT.

  65. G Money says:

    spoiler: +Gryba, there MacT.

    Hi!
    My name is
    My name is
    My name is
    Slim ShadyEric Gryba

  66. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    G Money: OOOOH, LOW BLOW YOU SON OF A GUN!!!

    Ha ha, given we both know our 90s hip hop/ RnB, I’d say we’re probably both making Dad jokes at this point, “no doubt.”

  67. Robinthe403 says:

    RexLibris,

    Hey Rex thanks for that link but that’s not the camp I’m referring to. The Oilers hold a development camp for most of their prospects and some undrafted (essentially UFA) kids early in July. This camp has been held at Millenium Place in Sherwood Park in the past.

    I saw a graphic on TV detailing McDavids next few day and it listed him as attending development camp but there was no other details, or at least no other info I could see or hear with the volume muted…

    The Oilers announced the names of two kids they have invited to this camp that are not Oilers draft picks, it’s info about this camp I’m super curious about as I am spending the next week in the EDM region and would like to attend.

    Anybody else out there know what I’m talking about? I’m not imagining this (well, pretty sure I’m not at least…).

  68. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Магия 10: Those do not sound like a camp or part of a camp. I thought both sides agreed on both those points. The GR trade only arises after Sweeney shoots a few warning shots into his feet.

    Oh? Well, I avoided the maelstrom here on draft day so maybe I have it wrong. The quality of the dialogue went down the toilet so I stayed away. I thought most people were pro-Hamilton but there were more than a few voices saying he wasn’t a top pairing D. On the second part, you are probably right, although Reinhart came for two picks where as the Flames added in a third. Pretty much total agreement the Oilers’ three pick combo offer, if that was in fact what was offered (16, 33, 57) was superior, but #BecauseBruins.

  69. theres oil in virginia says:

    spoiler: Lol… On Barsoom, John Carter was known as “Virginia”.

    I don’t remember the show trashing though. You’re a pretty gentlemanly commentor in my books.

    Aah! Pulp fiction (not the movie). That did not show up in my quick search for John Carter. Would’ve had to dig deeper for that.

    In that thread, I listened to about a second or two of the intro of Brad ???’s (with Cerebral Palsy) show where he hosted MacT, and trashed it. I thought he was a two-bit radio jock with a schtick. I listened to the whole show later after being corrected by you and probably LT. He did good, but the show intro was awful.

  70. RexLibris says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”:
    RexLibris,

    8.9 Eligibility for Play in the League. No Player shall be eligible for play in the League unless he:
    … had been eligible for claim in the last Entry Draft, but was unclaimed, and:
    … had played hockey in North America the prior season and was under age 20 at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the Major Juniors season (except that if such Player had signed an NHL try-out form, which was signed and registered with the League during the aforesaid time period, then the deadline for signing and registering with the League an SPC with such try-out Club shall be the commencement of the NHL Season).
    … The words “the prior season”… above mean “a full season prior to the last Entry Draft.

    Tkachev had played in the KHL the prior season. Soy played in Victoria, therefore he is eligible to be signed.

    Who else were you asking about? Leveille? QMJHL. He is eligible.

    Danke.

    I just pictured Chiarelli, Lowe and MacTavish sitting ready to sign Soy and Tkachev when Lowe pipes up as says “hey, before you sign, Vlad, say ‘nuklear wessels’, come on, it’ll be hilarious!”

    Chiarelli facepalms and MacTavish looks at his phone pretending he got a text from a guy he coached with the Wolves.

  71. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: Danke.

    I just pictured Chiarelli, Lowe and MacTavish sitting ready to sign Soy and Tkachev when Lowe pipes up as says “hey, before you sign, Vlad, say ‘nuklear wessels’, come on, it’ll be hilarious!”

    Chiarelli facepalms and MacTavish looks at his phone pretending he got a text from a guy he coached with the Wolves.

    Chow-deah!

  72. RexLibris says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: #BecauseBruins

    I think BecauseNeely is more fitting now.

    What a death spiral that franchise has initiated lately. Between them and the Kings it has proven to be a very entertaining month. Summer may not be so quiet this year. And for a change it won’t be the Oilers’ brass leading the charge into Sillytown.

  73. Woogie63 says:

    There is a thought out there that GR is damaged , otherwise why would NYI give up a 21 year old 4th overall pick.

    Mean while 300 km away

    Hamilton a 22 year old 9th overall pick that they will pay $7M is stolen from a Boston Management that has lost their mind

  74. Gerta Rauss says:

    Robinthe403,

    I don’t believe the details have been released yet. Again, I suspect the Mcdavid effect .

  75. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Chow-deah!

    That’s right, say it with me…

    This is happening in Boston as we speak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0R6QO9LooI

  76. Numenius says:

    Lowetide:
    It’s also true that the Oilers can lose the trade but win the war. Giving up too much for the right fit had to happen sooner or later and they have to turn north. Reinhart in two years (imo) will be a nice part of a very good young blue.

    Yes, this.

    While the general rule for drafting is draft BPA, the general rule for trading is trade for need.

    And that sometimes will involve trading a forward or draft pick of greater overall value for a defenceman of lesser overall value, simply because you need the defenceman right now and don’t need the forward/draft pick.

  77. RexLibris says:

    G Money: Hi!
    My name is
    My name is
    My name is
    Slim ShadyEric Gryba

    It’s just not the same.

    People think we loved him because of fancystats or because he was European, or that he could be used as a beach umbrella in case of emergency.

    Truth is, we just really liked his nickname and hoped he’d have Slim Shady as a goal song.

    Gryba? Yuck, sounds like the larval stage of a winged insect you’d rather not have hanging around.

    😉

  78. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Woogie63:
    There is a thought out there that GR is damaged , otherwise why would NYI give up a 21 year old 4th overall pick.

    Mean while 300 km away

    Hamilton a 22 year old 9th overall pick that they will pay $7M is stolen from a Boston Management that has lost their mind

    Exactly. Isles traded from a strength (non-PP QB type D-men –De Haan, Hamonic, etc. on the roster and they have Boychuk, Leddy, Pulock for puck-moving duties) to address a weakness (playmaking C propects-Nelson looks like a winger now, Strome remains to be seen).

    The Oilers traded from a strength (playmaking C prospects (Barzal)) to address a need in young, high pedigree D prospects ready to make the jump to the NHL.

    Overpaid for the privilege? Perhaps. But a nice plan nonetheless.

  79. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: Danke.

    I just pictured Chiarelli, Lowe and MacTavish sitting ready to sign Soy and Tkachev when Lowe pipes up as says “hey, before you sign, Vlad, say ‘nuklear wessels’, come on, it’ll be hilarious!”

    Chiarelli facepalms and MacTavish looks at his phone pretending he got a text from a guy he coached with the Wolves.

    And that’s the cover ripped right off the ball right there. When they pick that puppy up off the hood of the Porsche in the parking lot, it’s gonna be split in two. Outstanding.

  80. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    RexLibris: It’s just not the same.

    People think we loved him because of fancystats or because he was European, or that he could be used as a beach umbrella in case of emergency.

    Truth is, we just really liked his nickname and hoped he’d have Slim Shady as a goal song.

    Gryba? Yuck, sounds like the larval stage of a winged insect you’d rather not have hanging around.

    For the cost of Gryba, it’s not going to be the worst thing in the world to have Bennett and Monahan afraid to try to sneak by at the blue for fear of an accidental errant knee. So long as he can skate okay, that is. We shall see.

  81. RexLibris says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: Exactly. Isles traded from a strength (non-PP QB type D-men –De Haan, Hamonic, etc. on the roster and they have Boychuk, Leddy, Pulock for puck-moving duties) to address a weakness (playmaking C propects-Nelson looks like a winger now, Strome remains to be seen).

    The Oilers traded from a strength (playmaking C prospects (Barzal)) to address a need in young, high pedigree D prospects ready to make the jump to the NHL.

    Overpaid for the privilege? Perhaps. But a nice plan nonetheless.

    This doesn’t mean we have to stop hating the Flames for profiting from the Bruins’ lunacy though, does it? I got the pitch all mixed to the right consistency and the torches are stacked and ready to go, one to a fan.

  82. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    RexLibris: That’s right, say it with me…

    This is happening in Boston as we speak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0R6QO9LooI

    Followed immediately by this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhrfhjLd9e4

  83. Магия 10 says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: Oh? Well, I avoided the maelstrom here on draft day so maybe I have it wrong. The quality of the dialogue went down the toilet so I stayed away. I thought most people were pro-Hamilton but there were more than a few voices saying he wasn’t a top pairing D. On the second part, you are probably right, although Reinhart came for two picks where as the Flames added in a third. Pretty much total agreement the Oilers’ three pick combo offer, if that was in fact what was offered (16, 33, 57) was superior, but #BecauseBruins.

    To recap what you missed consensus was edm offer for Hamilton was better. And flames deal was bad for edmonton and boston.

    Hottest point of division is whether griff is better than what was there at 16.

    There is also a draftnik camp which figures inluding the 33rd was a line not to cross. Dubious about how accurately they can value spot market for prospects when their huge overpay on griff is roughly how much they were willing to overpay on talbot before chia ground down Slats.

  84. RexLibris says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: For the cost of Gryba, it’s not going to be the worst thing in the world to have Bennett and Monahan afraid to try to sneak by at the blue for fear of an accidental errant knee. So long as he can skate okay, that is. We shall see.

    Regehr/Hemsky reversed? My hope is that Musil can develop enough to bring that level of nastiness to the NHL while Nurse continues to improve to the extent that he does all that he does now as a 1st pairing guy.

    Having one ogre on your D corps can be nice. Having one on each pairing without giving up five-star chances against? That makes for some entertaining home-ice hockey.

  85. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    RexLibris: This doesn’t mean we have to stop hating the Flames for profiting from the Bruins’ lunacy though, does it? I got the pitch all mixed to the right consistency and the torches are stacked and ready to go, one to a fan.

    Oh, I hate.
    But would I rather:
    Hamilton for Nurse, 33, 57
    or
    Reinhart for Barzal, 33

    it’s an easy choice for me.

    That’s how I reconcile it.

  86. RexLibris says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: Followed immediately by this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhrfhjLd9e4

    That clip gets referenced approximately twice a week at my work.

    Sometimes by the culprits.

    We’re a humble bunch, but well-versed in the arcana of popular culture.

  87. RexLibris says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: Oh, I hate.
    But would I rather:
    Hamilton for Nurse, 33, 57
    or
    Reinhart for Barzal, 33

    it’s an easy choice for me.

    That’s how I reconcile it.

    Same here.

    Hamilton will replace Giordano, likely this year or early next.

    After that, they have two very good prospects in Andersson and Kylington. So they’ve made some magnificent strides forwards.

    But, the Oilers also have Klefbom, Nurse and Reinhart now. Lower overall ceiling maybe, but redundancy built in to protect against asset failure.

  88. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Магия 10: To recap whst you missed consensus was edm offer was for Hamilton was better. And flames deal was bad for edmonton and boston.

    Hottestpoint of division is whether griff is better than what was there at 16.

    There is also a draftnik camp which figures inluding the 33rd was a line not to cross. Dubiuos about how accurately they can value spot market for prospects when their hugeoverpay on griff is roughly how much theythey were willing uo overpay on talbot before chia ground down Slats.

    Thanks. I do agree the reported 16, 33, 57 was better than the Flames’ package, but the Bruins had another agenda in mind. My point about “equal or better” was about whether 16 + 33 is better than 15 + 45 + 52.

  89. ashley says:

    Personally, I don’t prefer Dougie Hamilton over GR. It would be really fun to have a whole team of 7 million dollar players terrorize the NHL for a decade, but the rules say we can only have 9 maximum (and 14 others each making 500k) which assuredly would be a shittier team than most that we’ve seen in the last 9 years.

    In the cap world, the name of the game is value for money. 7 million is full pay for the very best in the league. If he ended up an Oiler, Dougie Hamilton would need to deliver a Shea Weber career going forward for his contract to be considered savoury, and we’d also have to part ways with a member (or two) of our talented cluster to ice a team under the cap in the very near future.

    We need more than one guy on the backend, preferably some guys older than 22. And with our forward pedigree, we need most of the Dmen to be not only be effective, but affordable (ie not score too many points). GR has the potential to fit the Oilers needs perfectly if he pans out as projected.

  90. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    ashley,

    Good points. And also $7m upsets the Oilers’ “Socialist” salary structure currently capped at $6m per…

  91. Магия 10 says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: Thanks. I do agree the reported 16, 33, 57 was better than the Flames’ package, but the Bruins had another agenda in mind. My point about “equal or better” was about whether 16 + 33 is better than15 + 45 + 52.

    Ah. 16 33 was the griff deal. The edmonton offer for hamilton was that plus another 2nd rounder. That extra 2nd rounder was the highest pick that slats got for talbot

  92. Robinthe403 says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    I see on Twitter that the Oilers will be releasing all of the details tomorrow… Al they have said so far is that it will be free to the public.

    Thanks for the reply!

  93. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: Gryba? Yuck, sounds like the larval stage of a winged insect you’d rather not have hanging around.

    Which has been thrown on the festering wound that is the Oilers defense to eat up all the necrotic flesh and save us from eternal damn infection!

    Happy endings, people, if you want to get a screenplay into Hollywood.

  94. Магия 10 says:

    Robinthe403:
    Gerta Rauss,

    I see on Twitter that the Oilers will be releasing all of the details tomorrow…Al they have said so far is that it will be free to the public.

    Thanks for the reply!

    If it is open to the public on canada day it will be a flash mob. I can see why they are announcing details last minute

  95. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Магия 10: Ah. 16 33 was the griff deal. The edmonton offer for hamilton was that plus another 2nd rounder. That extra 2nd rounder was the highest pick that slats got fir talbot

    Yes, I realize this, and have all along.
    If you re-read my original quote:

    Магия 10: -Within that camp, there is a group of people who feel the Flames got Hamilton for equal or less than Griffin Reinhart, when Hamilton is clearly the superior player.

    I did not say the Oilers’ package for Hamilton wasn’t better than the Flames’. I was saying some people were arguing the Flames got Hamilton for less than what the Oilers paid for Reinhart, which is debatable, at least, in my opinion.

  96. Магия 10 says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: I was saying some people were arguing the Flames got Hamilton for less than what the Oilers paid for Reinhart,

    Strong consensus re: edm picks for hamilton > calgary picks > edm picks for griff.

    Likewise fir contract cost and trade cost to the side hamilton > griff.

    Devil is in the details.

  97. RexLibris says:

    spoiler: Happy endings, people, if you want to get a screenplay into Hollywood.

    Don’t forget lens flares, villains with english accents, and Michael Bay-type explosions (although the inclusion of the latter more or less eliminates the necessity for an actual screenplay).

    I’ve been engaged in a pet project the last few months that has led me to watch some of the absolute worst science fiction movies of the 1980s. Robot Holocaust, Overdrawn at the Memory Bank, She, and many, many (roughly 230) more. Interestingly, I’ve found that the sheer volume of spectacularly horrible films has had a cathartic effect on my being an Oilers fan. I suspect it is the result of art imitating life in the absurd.

  98. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Магия 10: Strong consensus re: edm picks for hamilton > calgary picks> edm picksfor griff.

    If you say so. If conceding that point will make you happy; I am happy to do so. A look back through a few pages saw a number of new posters here screaming bloody murder that the Oilers paid “more” for Reinhart than the Flames paid for Hamilton. That’s why I said there was a camp that believed that. I could be wrong.

    Leaving Reinhart out of it, there’s no debate, in my opinion, that the Oilers’ offer for Hamilton was better than the Flames’ offer. That’s why I didn’t even mention the Oil offer for Dougie. Agree that’s a consensus and never debated it.

  99. rickithebear says:

    blockquote cite=”comment-428067″>

    Dashingsilverfox: Of course I’m sure the Oilers can wait out the 9 years it took Boychuk to play in the NHL.

    They have all the time in the world.

    DSF
    GR # at 20 are Boychucks at 24 (7 years in) when he finally made his mark at 25 (8 years).

  100. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    RexLibris,

    Althought not 1980s, Johnny Mnemonic, starring Canada’s very own Keanu Reeves, may be the worst Sci Fi movie to which I have subjected myself.

  101. Магия 10 says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: If you say so. If conceding that point will make you happy; I am happy to do so. A look back through a few pages saw a number of new posters here screaming bloody murder that the Oilers paid “more” for Reinhart than the Flames paid for Hamilton. That’s why I said there was a camp that believed that. I could be wrong

    Oh I see. I could have missed that. I might have assumed they meant cost/value

  102. RexLibris says:

    Graphic representation of “moving goalposts” anyone?

    http://imgur.com/gallery/sGOvKGT

  103. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: I’ve been engaged in a pet project the last few months that has led me to watch some of the absolute worst science fiction movies of the 1980s. Robot Holocaust, Overdrawn at the Memory Bank, She, and many, many (roughly 230) more. Interestingly, I’ve found that the sheer volume of spectacularly horrible films has had a cathartic effect on my being an Oilers fan. I suspect it is the result of art imitating life in the absurd.

    I’ve done similar things (spoiler is a movie ref not a car ref).

    I find I can only do it if I ignore production values and acting. There are some really neat things done with screenplays buried in minor films that couldn’t attract funding.

  104. spoiler says:

    RexLibris,

    Check out “Hardware” (1990) if you haven’t already. Kind of like Terminator in an apartment.

  105. spoiler says:

    Woogie63:
    There is a thought out there that GR is damaged , otherwise why would NYI give up a 21 year old 4th overall pick.

    Mean while 300 km away

    Hamilton a 22 year old 9th overall pick that they will pay $7M is stolen from a Boston Management that has lost their mind

    Worthy point too.

  106. RexLibris says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”:
    RexLibris,

    Althought not 1980s, Johnny Mnemonic, starring Canada’s very own Keanu Reeves, may be the worst Sci Fi movie to which I have subjected myself.

    Then you need to get out more. And by “get out” I mean trawl the depths of the intertubes for really bad movies.

    Allow me…

    Overdrawn at the Memory Bank, starring Raul Julia and with a small cameo by Maury Chaykin – the MST3K cover which makes it bearable because those guys are hilarious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVo0dyjnWYo

    Robot Holocaust, starring absolutely nobody worth mentioning but based around a future where a computer has enslaved the human race to work in a power plant which nourishes the machines, their only hope resides in a mysterious hero who emerges named Neo. Not making any of this up. Does feature the best use of sock puppets I’ve seen in a movie, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_ySSRlcVBA

    This one isn’t 80s, but the title alone makes it worth watching…or at least worth trying to watch: Nymphoid Barbarian in Dinosaur Hell – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fw9a96Ei0k

    Interzone is nothing short of painful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9wNnucGh70

    And a classic, one I could watch over and over again, is, to return to the aforementioned MST3K, Space Mutiny. Reb Brown’s resume reads like an autopsy of career suicide, but this is by far his finest work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa42pxJyq64 When they couldn’t afford space dog-fighting scenes they just ripped off the old Battlestar Galactica scenes complete with sound effects.

    You need to watch them in the right mood, with an open mind to being entertained by the sheer amateurishness of it all and emotionally detached from the nausea-inducing outcome that is guaranteed, like Nikitin and Ference defending a lead with a minute to go in the 3rd.

  107. RexLibris says:

    spoiler,

    Thanks, I’ll take a look.

    It is part of a friendly duel where we pick movies based on the criteria I described.

    230 titles and counting. We’ve found Russian space operas that defy translation, Turkish Star Wars ripoffs, a surprising number of Matrix precursors, and more post-apocalyptic insults to entertainment than I care to count.

    I was surprised at a number of the underlying premises and how they could be picked up, dusted off, and re-visited with a proper rewrite and a modest budget today to convey some fairly compelling stories.

    That can be the wonderful thing about science fiction. When it is done right, it is entirely about characters. By placing people in extraordinary situations you can push them into uncomfortable and compelling places. Take Ripley from Alien for example. Strip away the rubber suits, spaceships, and futuristic accoutrements and you have a woman more or less alone who must confront something which elicits absolute mortal fear. It allows the writer/director to draw from the actor(s) a response that we can’t help but watch and explore.

    Then you get performances like Keanu Reeves. When you get out-performed by an actor playing a computer program…

  108. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: That can be the wonderful thing about science fiction. When it is done right, it is entirely about characters. By placing people in extraordinary situations you can push them into uncomfortable and compelling places. Take Ripley from Alien for example. Strip away the rubber suits, spaceships, and futuristic accoutrements and you have a woman more or less alone who must confront something which elicits absolute mortal fear. It allows the writer/director to draw from the actor(s) a response that we can’t help but watch and explore.

    I’m in a different camp. But then again I don’t place a lot of emphasis on acting or performance, which to me has been driven by our media’s obsession with the cult of celebrity. Movies are a collaboration of a lot of artists, one group of which is actors, who often have the least insight.

    When I come to cinema, I’m looking for things that are inherently cinematic, whereas acting I place in the world of theatre. Dialogue too.

    I’m concerned with the world the filmmaker creates and the physics of that world. Who or what is the camera? How is lighting used? Motion, framing, edits, effects, production design? Does the screenplay support cinematic values? Does the screenplay leverage cinematic values?

    Who the world is populated with is less interesting to me because stories tend to be deterministic, it’s just that the endings are hidden from us. Ie, how people bump against each other, or against the world itself, is subject to the physics of that world, which is what makes sci-fi so interesting to me. Good sci-fi messes with that physics. It allows us to abstract things, almost like a thought experiment. Transport too. Philip K Dick especially seems good for this.

    And in general a writer chooses characters that allow him to most exploit the story. You don’t get a plumber to fix the kitchen sink; you get a one-armed accident-prone unhandyman who lost that arm last year while changing the broken toilet handle.

    I can’t look at “Forbidden Planet” and enjoy the acting, although it is competent enough for its day. But damn that is still a great movie today. It’s “The Tempest” in space done spatially.

    And as you point out, for every Weaver we have a Reeves, or a Schwarzenegger. In Reeves’ defense, I think he was technically playing a computer program too lol.

    But, to use another Scott oeuvre, we get Harrison Ford in “Bladerunner”, who looks like he was cast sheerly because he can’t act, to play on the subtext that Decker was a replicant too. Which is why Scott hated the voice-over narration so much in the original cut. Pulled all the ambiguity out of the story. Made the origami completely pointless. Ford, of course, had no clue he was being used.

    Not all that dissimilar from casting Arnie as a Terminator.

    Scott has a real actor (no comparison really) play an android in Alien because he’s relying on the twist of the android reveal. Not just to us but to the characters in the story. Now that’s a delicious role that requires a layered performance to pull it off.

    Edit: And no one seems to consider that “Alien” could be referring to the android too. Or us, when in space or on other worlds—or those things themselves.

  109. spoiler says:

    RexLibris,

    Michael Bay…

    I give Bay credit for one thing… he revolutionized group fight scenes. Or his editor did, but I think it was both. Tight framing and different points of view stitched together with very rapid beats in the edits. It conveys the confusion and disarray of an actual group fight very well and will be quoted by other filmmakers for at least a couple of decades.

    But other than that, yeah.

  110. stevezie says:

    spoiler,

    He directed Meatloaf’s “I Would Do Anything For Love”, which is amazing, but also a tragic vision of things to come. It looks great and makes no sense, which is a hilarious asset for a Meatloaf video, but was an awful and infectious virus for the movies.

  111. cc says:

    I think that there are people overvaluing the picks. There is what a 50% chance of a player drafted 16 – 30 playing 300+ games. Even in an elite draft year like 2005 it was 65 – 70%. The chance of that player being a top 6 forwardor a top 4 dman is cut in half.

    For every Getzlaf, Parise and Perry there was a Pouliot, Stewart, and Eaves. The 33rd pick has roughly a 30% chance of working out and only half of that 30% has a chance to be a top6/4 player.

    So instead the Oilers took a player that is more known to them and also regarding his ceiling and he is further along in his development AND still on his entry level deal for 2 more seasons. The Oil had a slight overpay but they feel he is a top 4 type dman that can contribute right away. It is a good deal for both sides.

  112. Ducey says:

    I don’t think the Oilers can sign Soy or the other guys at development camp. They need to be 20.http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/rules/

  113. Marc says:

    Some people believe that Pulock passed Reinhart as a prospect this year. On the surface that makes sense. Pulock is 9 months younger than Reinhart and got 29 points in 54 games as an AHL rookie, compared to 22 points in 59 games for Reinhart.

    When you dig deeper into the numbers though, the story is a bit different. Pulock scored 20 of his points on the power play, whereas Reinhart only scored 10 of his on the PP. Reinhart went 5-7-12 at even strength this season, compared to 4-5-9 at evens for Pulock.

    Multiple scouting reports have indicated that Reinhart played the toughest minutes (as an AHL rookie) this season, yet he still outscored Pulock at even strength! Saying that Pulock passed Reinhart as a prospect is like saying that Schultz passed Petry as a player because he’s outscored him for the past three seasons.

  114. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Ducey,

    I don’t think that’s right? Here’s the passage from the CBA: Notice the double negative here (essentially he is eligible if undrafted, played in North America the year prior, and was under 20 and is signed between now (post-draft) and before the junior season starts). If you wait til main camp it could be too late).

    8.9 Eligibility for Play in the League. No Player shall be eligible for play in the League unless he:
    … had been eligible for claim in the last Entry Draft, but was unclaimed, and:
    … had played hockey in North America the prior season and was under age 20 at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the Major Juniors season (except that if such Player had signed an NHL try-out form, which was signed and registered with the League during the aforesaid time period, then the deadline for signing and registering with the League an SPC with such try-out Club shall be the commencement of the NHL Season).
    … The words “the prior season”… above mean “a full season prior to the last Entry Draft.

  115. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    Marc,

    Yes, you are correct. We mentioned this to “He who shall not be named” a couple of threads ago when he made the claim that Pulock passed him. The only thing he passed him on was PP time. The Isles traded from a strength (defensive D: see Hamonic, de Haan) to address a need (playmaking forward prospects–below the NHL level the cupboard was bare).

  116. Johnny says:

    Allan, please use the current photo of McDavid on all future posts, until further notice.

    Thank you.

  117. Marc says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”:
    Marc,

    Yes, you are correct. We mentioned this to “He who shall not be named” a couple of threads ago when he made the claim that Pulock passed him. The only thing he passed him on was PP time. The Isles traded from a strength (defensive D: see Hamonic, de Haan) to address a need (playmaking forward prospects–below the NHL level the cupboard was bare).

    Here’s an interesting parallel:

    In 2007 Montreal drafted McDonagh 12th overall and Subban 43rd. McDonagh scored 12 points as a rookie at Wisconsin in his draft +1 season, and 16 points as a sophomore. Subban on the other hand scored 46 points in 58 OHL games in his draft +1 season and an astonishing 76 in 56 games in his draft +2 season.

    Just two years after he was drafted, Montreal moved on from McDonagh (who looked like he might have an NHL career, but had probably been drafted too high). He’d been passed by Subban and it allowed Montreal to get an established top 6 forward in Scott Gomez.

    Montreal had a bunch of good veteran D on the roster in 2009, and prospects like Subban, Carle and White all looked like better bets than McDonagh. It made all the sense in the world to move a slow developing high first round pick for a top six forward.

    Whoops.

  118. Pouzar says:

    Marc: Here’s an interesting parallel:In 2007 Montreal drafted McDonagh 12th overall and Subban 43rd. McDonagh scored 12 points as a rookie at Wisconsin in his draft +1 season, and 16 points as a sophomore. Subban on the other hand scored 46 points in 58 OHL games in his draft +1 season and an astonishing 76 in 56 games in his draft +2 season.Just two years after he was drafted, Montreal moved on from McDonagh (who looked like he might have an NHL career, but had probably been drafted too high). He’d been passed by Subban and it allowed Montreal to get an established top 6 forward in Scott Gomez.Montreal had a bunch of good veteran D on the roster in 2009, and prospects like Subban, Carle and White all looked like better bets than McDonagh. It made all the sense in the world to move a slow developing high first round pick for a top six forward. Whoops.

    Nice.

    Inetresting….is McDonagh a good comparable for Reinhart in terms of style of play?

  119. stephen sheps says:

    Marc: Here’s an interesting parallel:

    In 2007 Montreal drafted McDonagh 12th overall and Subban 43rd.McDonagh scored 12 points as a rookie at Wisconsin in his draft +1 season, and 16 points as a sophomore.Subban on the other hand scored 46 points in 58 OHL games in his draft +1 season and an astonishing 76 in 56 games in his draft +2 season.
    Just two years after he was drafted, Montreal moved on from McDonagh (who looked like he might have an NHL career, but had probably been drafted too high). He’d been passed by Subban and it allowed Montreal to get an established top 6 forward in Scott Gomez.
    Montreal had a bunch of good veteran D on the roster in 2009, and prospects like Subban, Carle and White all looked like better bets than McDonagh. It made all the sense in the world to move a slow developing high first round pick for a top six forward.
    Whoops.

    Yup. My thoughts exactly.

    A couple days ago when things were sort of at the peak of silliness and hyperbole, towards the very end of a thread I wrote the following – and I think after a couple of days of reflection it’s worthy of a repost.

    This blog has been very firm about the 50, 100 and 200 game benchmarks, which are especially necessary benchmarks for defensemen. Something about developing by sundial is the old saying, isn’t it?

    One reason why ‘we wait’ is a reasonable response to the GR trade is simply because we don’t know what he is yet at the NHL level. 9 games is too small a sample to make an accurate judgement of who or what he will become. There is evidence that GR improved substantially over the last few months of his first pro season, enough to warrant a late season call up while key vets were nursing some injuries and a playoff game. We also know that over the last few months, he was a plus player (terrible stat, I know!) on a team with the worst goal differential in the AHL, a team bereft of quality goaltending or F & D prospects of note aside from GR and a handful of others. We know some scouts have reported progress, some journalists have provided a bit of damning with faint praise analysis, and we know the opinion on the player’s potential and ceiling is decidedly mixed at this time. All of these points suggest that ‘we wait’ is a perfectly reasonable response for a young shut-down D with sneaky, under-rated 2-way ability and possible skating issues that are common amongst players of his size.

    As someone mentioned earlier, Klefbom wasn’t exactly lighting the world on fire in 2013-14 – low scoring rates, and a minus player on a pretty strong OKC team, yet look what he became after a spending parts of two seasons on the farm. Klefbom may not be the perfect comparison, but they are close in age, close enough in pedigree and with similar levels of experience (the SHL is obviously better than the CHL, playing against men) but it took a bit of time for him to find his stride at the AHL and NHL level and is tracking well to be a top 2-3 Defenseman.

    For the TL:DR crowd – Patience, friends. players like Klef and McDonagh didn’t set the world on fire their first pro seasons. McDonagh got moved before emerging, Klef took a few years to percolate before becoming dreamy. The book on GR has not been written after only 1 pro season. We wait.

  120. Marc says:

    Pouzar: Nice.

    Inetresting….is McDonagh a good comparable for Reinhart in terms of style of play?

    This (from McDonagh’s draft year) is interesting: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/9702/2007_prospects_qa_with_ryan_mcdonagh/

    Like Reinhart, he shot up the draft rankings in the latter portion of his draft season. Like Reinhart, he was described as ‘solid on both offense and defense, and impressive in confidence and quickness on the ice’.

    Like Reinhart, he was consistently ranked in Hockey’s Future’s top 50 prospects from the day he was drafted (Reinhart was 14 in their postseason rankings this year and has never been outside their top 20).

    And here’s a fun quote from a Rangers blog in 2011 (http://bleedingallblue.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/ryan-mcdonagh-strides-into-hockeys.html):
    “There were those who were concerned with McDonagh’s game last season with his lack of offensive production at Wisconsin and then his slow start in the AHL at the beginning of this year but he has more than erased those doubters since coming to the NHL. From nearly day one he has played with a tremendous amount of poise, intelligence and skill on the ice that when you watch him you see a veteran on the ice not a player still eligible for prospect lists.”

  121. Магия 10 says:

    Marc: From nearly day one he has played with a tremendous amount of poise, intelligence and skill on the ice that when you watch him you see a veteran on the ice not a player still eligible for prospect lists.

    The sundial is still at work but there is a glimpse of that in the willis report:

    Reinhart’s defensive zone positioning is quite strong; it was funny watching him in his second career NHL game with his head on a swivel directing defensive zone traffic for the Islanders. He just knows where to be

  122. GCW_69 says:

    spoiler: I don’t think we’re badly divided at all. The Reinhart issue looks like 97% FOR and 3% AGAINST, ie you, Loud Mouthed Hemsky Fan and Rat Zeal.
    The only guy I know not okay with Gryba is you.

    You clearly have not been paying attention then. I am part of the crew who think both moves were bad and I have lots and lots of brothers in arms.

  123. Pouzar says:

    Marc: This (from McDonagh’s draft year) is interesting: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/9702/2007_prospects_qa_with_ryan_mcdonagh/Like Reinhart, he shot up the draft rankings in the latter portion of his draft season. Like Reinhart, he was described as ‘solid on both offense and defense, and impressive in confidence and quickness on the ice’.Like Reinhart, he was consistently ranked in Hockey’s Future’s top 50 prospects from the day he was drafted (Reinhart was 14 in their postseason rankings this year and has never been outside their top 20).And here’s a fun quote from a Rangers blog in 2011 (http://bleedingallblue.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/ryan-mcdonagh-strides-into-hockeys.html):“There were those who were concerned with McDonagh’s game last season with his lack of offensive production at Wisconsin and then his slow start in the AHL at the beginning of this year but he has more than erased those doubters since coming to the NHL. From nearly day one he has played with a tremendous amount of poise, intelligence and skill on the ice that when you watch him you see a veteran on the ice not a player still eligible for prospect lists.”

    Excellent. Sounds eerily similar doesn’t it?

  124. unca miltie says:

    The more information I see, the more I am convinced that the move to get GR was a good one..thanks for all the info..

  125. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    So we’ve set the bar for expectations at Ryan McDonaugh have we?

    Welcome back to Edmonton Griffen. No pressure or anything…

  126. theres oil in virginia says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    So we’ve set the bar for expectations at Ryan McDonaugh have we?

    Welcome back to Edmonton Griffen.No pressure or anything…

    I think the point is that at one time McDonagh was accused of being “a failed prospect” or “given up on”, after a slow start to his pro career, and there are people using that language with Reinhart. The comparison is to the situation, not so much the player.

  127. rickithebear says:

    Even age NHLE D at draft:
    Lauzon 6’1.75″ 193lb (2.62 lb/in) 26 EVP 13 EVG #52 BOS
    Guhle 6’1.75″ 184lb (2.49 lb/in) 25 EVp 2 EVG #51 BUF
    Meloche 6’2.5″ 204lb (2.74 lb/in) 24 EVP 8 EVG #40 COL
    Hanafin 6 ‘2.75’ 203lb (2.72 lb/in) 24 EVp 8 EVG #5 CAR
    Provorov 6’0.5″ 201lb (2.77 lb/in) 24 EVP 6 EVG #7 PHI
    Wotherspoon 6’0.25″ 171lb (2.37 lb/in) 24 EVP 6 EVG #112 NYI
    Chabot 6’1.5″ 180lb (2.45 lb/in) 23 EVP 7 EVG #18 OTT
    Leveille 5’11.5″ 223lb (3.12 lb/in) 23 EVp 6 EVG ND Tryout EDM
    Carrier 5’11’ 174lb (2.45 lb/in) 22 EVP 6 EVG #115 NSH
    J Roy 6’0″ 188lb (2.61 lb/in) 21 EVP 6 EVG #31 SJS
    Bourque 6’0.25″ 184lb (2.55 lb/in) 20 EVp 6 EVG #177 MTL
    Juulsen 6’1.5″ 174lb (2.37 lb/in) 20 EVp 5 EVG #26 MTL
    Pilon 6’2″ 206lb (2.78 lb/in) 20 evp 4 EVG #147 NYI
    Dunn 5’11.75″ 187lb (2.61 lb/in) 19 EVP 6 EVG #56 STL
    Andersson 6’0″ 212lb (2.94lb/in) 18 EVP 6 EVG #53 CGY
    Capobianco 6’1″ 178lb (2.44 lb/in) 18 EVP 5 EVG #63 ARI
    Caleb Jones 5’11.75″ 194lb (2.71 lb/in) 18 EVP 4 EVG #117 EDM
    Zboril 6’0.75″ 184lb (2.53 lb/in)18 EVP 3 EVG #13 BOS
    Bear 5’11” 200lb (2.82 lb/in) 17 EVP 8 EVG #124 EDM
    Dermott 5’11.25″ 197lb (2.76 lb/in) 17 EVP 3 EVG #37 TOR

    Even offence:
    Levielle Even production w/ Hanafin; Provorov; Chabot 7 to 18 range
    Jones; Bear EV production w/ 37 to 56 range

    The narative for all 3 is Offensive 2 way D.
    Bear was 1st comp
    Jones says more physical than his brother
    Levielle 2 way game.

  128. v4ance says:

    Interesting article on predicting the cost of UFA signings:

    http://puckplusplus.com/2015/06/28/predicting-free-agent-salaries/

    Player Expected Cap Hit
    Martin.St..Louis $ 5,381,581.99
    Cody.Franson $ 6,092,462.37
    Mike.Ribeiro $ 4,774,016.06
    Mike.Green $ 5,689,853.73
    Jiri.Tlusty $ 4,049,089.71
    Andrej.Sekera $ 5,308,534.90
    Chris.Stewart $ 3,837,661.77
    Francois.Beauchemin $ 4,315,901.62
    Michael.Frolik $ 3,709,481.43
    Paul.Martin $ 4,107,451.82
    Drew.Stafford $ 3,746,127.25
    Christian.Ehrhoff $ 4,021,434.41
    Mike.Fisher $ 3,740,451.85
    Kimmo.Timonen $ 3,169,007.37
    Justin.Williams $ 3,743,950.24
    Marek.Zidlicky $ 3,121,393.79
    Brad.Richards $ 3,706,817.45
    Chris.Butler $ 3,048,384.63
    Matt.Beleskey $ 3,256,725.66
    Johnny.Oduya $ 2,888,769.09

    If we could get Sekera for ~$5.5M for 4 years or so, it’d be a good signing at reasonable cost.

    Also seeing Fisher re-sign for almost a million more than the projection indicates how desperately Nashville is starved for offence.

  129. GCW_69 says:

    Магия 10,

    A. GR has some warning flags attached and I don’t see where he fits in the Oilers defence going forward. I don’t see a scenario where he supplants Nurse or Klefbom on the left side over the next two years. If his end role is 3LD, then the overpay was insane. I am skeptical about his ability to be successful on the right side given his skating issues (do we really want to take someone with skating issues and make them turn the other way?).

    On the other hand, draft Barzal and someone at 33 (Harkins, Kylington, etc.) and you have two tradeable assets going into the season that have some cache, as opposed to an asset that is trending down.

    And if Barzal really hits it out of the park, it opens up an option to trade Nuge or Draisaitl, which would bring back a much stronger defender than Reinhart.

  130. GCW_69 says:

    v4ance:
    Interesting article on predicting the cost of UFA signings:

    http://puckplusplus.com/2015/06/28/predicting-free-agent-salaries/

    PlayerExpected Cap Hit
    Martin.St..Louis$5,381,581.99
    Cody.Franson$6,092,462.37
    Mike.Ribeiro$4,774,016.06
    Mike.Green$5,689,853.73
    Jiri.Tlusty$4,049,089.71
    Andrej.Sekera$5,308,534.90
    Chris.Stewart$3,837,661.77
    Francois.Beauchemin$4,315,901.62
    Michael.Frolik$3,709,481.43
    Paul.Martin$4,107,451.82
    Drew.Stafford$3,746,127.25
    Christian.Ehrhoff$4,021,434.41
    Mike.Fisher$3,740,451.85
    Kimmo.Timonen$3,169,007.37
    Justin.Williams$3,743,950.24
    Marek.Zidlicky$3,121,393.79
    Brad.Richards$3,706,817.45
    Chris.Butler$3,048,384.63
    Matt.Beleskey$3,256,725.66
    Johnny.Oduya$2,888,769.09

    If we could get Sekera for ~$5.5M for 4 years or so, it’d be a good signing at reasonable cost.

    Also seeing Fisher re-sign for almost a million more than the projection indicates how desperately Nashville is starved for offence.

    Everything I have read says Franson gets between $4.5M and $5.0M. Time in Nashville hurt his value and the two way game, while ok, is not strong enough to get $6M.

  131. Pouzar says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: So we’ve set the bar for expectations at Ryan McDonaugh have we? Welcome back to Edmonton Griffen. No pressure or anything…

    Yer smarter than that.

  132. thebiggestmanintheworld says:

    GCW_69,

    On the other hand, draft Barzal and someone at 33 (Harkins, Kylington, etc.) and you have two tradeable assets going into the season that have some cache, as opposed to an asset that is trending down.

    ________________________

    What exactly makes you believe he’s trending down?

  133. monsterbater4 says:

    i am a little late to the DSF ranking of the top 15 defensemen from the last 3 drafts but did anyone else notice he had elias (center for carolina) lindholm on that list? Yes i would have GR over elias lindholm playing defense on my team every day of the week.

    Other names that i do not consider TOP 2 potential as he suggest:
    – Dumba, he started making headway this year but he doesn’t track to be a top 2 as of now
    – Cody Ceci, i’d say he’s behind dumba for sure
    – Mirco Mueller, started to break into SJ lineup this year i believe but i don’t think he’s considered a top 2, top 4 sure. GR has similar value
    – Nikita Zadorov, didn’t he just get traded? Buffalo must have given up on him…. He’s not a top 2 projection at this point either. GR has similar value
    – Derek Pouliot, i like the player buy he hasn’t cracked pittsburghs weak d core consistently so he must be a bust like GR right? they have similar value, albeit with dissimilar skill sets
    – Ryan Pulock, i like the player but from what i’ve read he gets the choice OZS and that’s helping him put up the Jultz numbers. Remains to be seen what he is at NHL level. NYI value him more but no way to know who ends up having better career

    Morgan Rielly
    Hampus Lindholm
    Seth Jones
    Jacob Trouba
    Olli Maata
    Darnell Nurse

    I agree all these guys are head and shoulders above GR, but are they all top 2 potential? i bet only 3 make it to that consistently in their NHL career with the others settling at great top 4 guys.

    In summary, i think GR is in a 7 way tie for 7th on this list but your mileage may vary depending on your level of commitment to your narrative

  134. theres oil in virginia says:

    monsterbater4: i am a little late to the DSF ranking of the top 15 defensemen from the last 3 drafts but did anyone else notice

    Nope, skipped right over it. #Pouzar

  135. Jaxon says:

    By my calculations with full bonuses and using the 7.5% overage allowed, the Oilers still have between 5.4M, 6.08M or 7.098M in cap space (depending on which source I’m reading). Could it still be possible that they are pursuing Cody Franson? That’s maxing out the cap but it would be in Franson’s range. I think they would have to move a body out. Actually, it seems likely they’ll be waiving or trading a left D regardless as they have 3 vets right now in Sekera, Nikitin, Ference and a player who should be a 2nd pairing min regular in Klefbom. Will they pay Ference (their captain) or Nikitin (@4.5M) to sit in the press box?

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