MARQUEE MOON

Peter Chiarelli signed only two free agents today but he made them count. Andrej Sekera gives Todd McLellan some options on defense (Sekera could play with Mark Fayne on a de facto top pairing, or possibly be used on an ‘Ozone’ duo with Justin Schultz or similar) and Mark Letestu gives the club all kinds of options at center. After taking his time to evaluate the roster over his first weeks in office, Chiarelli now has seven players to add for the fall:

  1. C Connor McDavid (needs to be signed)
  2. D Griffin Reinhart
  3. G Cam Talbot
  4. D Eric Gryba
  5. D Andrej Sekera
  6. L Lauri Korpikoski
  7. C Mark Letestu

It sounds like the club was driving hard for a goalie (Ben Scrivens heading out of town?) and you’d have to think they cull the blue sometime between now and September.

CHIARELLI’S LIST

  1. Draft McDavid (Done)
  2. Find a quality goalie option (Cam Talbot)
  3. Acquire a legit top pairing blue (Andrej Sekera)
  4. Sign a two-way F (Lauri Korpikoski)
  5. Ignore MacT re: Marincin (Or trade Marincin for real value) (Eric Gryba)
  6. Veteran two-way center (Mark Letestu)

After the plodding Steve Tambellini and the ‘false bold’ Craig MacTavish, this GM was aggressive and focused. That’s not to say he made universally good moves—specifically the acquisitions of Griffin Reinhart (NHL-ready but not established) and Lauri Korpikoski (who has struggled the last two seasons) leaves Chiarelli open to criticism.

The fact is no GM with this shopping list is going to get “A” grade solutions to every problem. Why? Well, Sam Pollock is dead and no team will allow Mike Milbury near the controls (although Don Sweeney is doing a helluva impersonation in Boston). I believe this has been a good week for the Oilers and balance—real balance—is possible with a few more tweaks. Will we see it this summer? We wait.

OILERS’ POSSIBLE ROSTER FOR FALL oilers current roster

This isn’t far away, folks. Edmonton’s wish to replace Ben Scrivens is understandable on one level—he was poor last season—but I think changing him out might be unnecessary (depending on internal situation, no idea there). I think Chiarelli could make this an insane summer by:

  • Signing Cody Franson
  • Offloading Niki Nikitin
  • Cashing Justin Schultz for picks and prospects

It’s also true that the roster (as it stands above) has some nice talent pushing now. Defensemen Griffin Reinhart and Darnell Nurse are on the outside looking in, Leon Draisaitl must be ticketed for Bakersfield (although I believe the German C is going to make it very difficult on Todd McLellan in the fall) and you know Anton Slepyshev is heading to the farm. That’s some ridiculous talent going to Bakersfield. Has an Oilers minor league team EVER started a season with quality like Darnell Nurse, Griffin Reinhart, Leon Draisaitl and Anton Slepyshev on it?

The Oilers orientation camp got underway today, with the Franchise making his debut on Rexall ice in an Oilers uniform. There’s fantastic talent there and we’ll look and some of the possible signees out of junior and college tomorrow.

I’m not surprised Chiarelli doubled back on Reinhart, there was considerable fallout on this blog and on twitter on draft night. Reinhart’s skills and age should make him a fan favorite in Edmonton—he’s exactly the kind of player Edmonton loves—and I’ll be watching his progress closely at training camp.

I liked Chiarelli in Boston (he was NOT perfect, though) and I like his work so far this summer. I do think there’s more out there if they can find a way to tweak that defensive group, but there may be a feeling that Justin Schultz needs another year to establish himself and that Niki Nikitin will come to camp with something to prove. I’ll be interested to see how much tinkering Chiarelli does between now and training camp, but would also suggest that the in-season movement will come as a great surprise to Oilers fans used to long periods of inertia from the corner office.

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  1. Pouzar says:

    Connorrhea: Go watch the Nurse interview again. Just do it.

    3 times already…and counting.

  2. Snowman says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Being a fan means enjoying the good days with other fans.

    You should try it sometime.

    Usually I don’t mind your commentary. I appreciate that you’re a pretty smart guy. When everyone else is happy though maybe you should just keep your shit to yourself.

    It’d be nice for the rest of us to enjoy a day like that once in a while.

  3. FTO says:

    Snowman:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    Hilarious. As always.

    Is your favorite pastime taking other peoples good days and trying to be a dink about them? Walking through the park see a kid about to blow their birthday candles out… push their face into the cake? That kind of thing?

    Nobody cares about the flames. They have good management and a good team. Get over it man. Just try to enjoy the Oilers. You said you were a fan from long ago. Try being a fan again.

    I live in Calgary and after we signed Sekera one of my buddies texted me saying “Hamilton is better than Sekera”… Haha I know, I wish we could have been dealing with a punch drunk ‘Sea Bass’ who didn’t like his top young player any more and would rather have magic beans then give him any extra money.

    It’s not Chiarelli’s fault we don’t have one D better than Calgary’s top three, just won’t be able to top them for like 5-10 years even if Nurse completely blows away our expectations, they won’t have our offense, theirs will be nice but not as top end as ours. Are we just supposed to fold the franchise because we don’t have Keith?

  4. RexLibris says:

    I’m surprised it hasn’t been mentioned here.

    Beleskey to the Bruins for 5 years with an AAV of $3.8 million.

    Kind of a Clarkson-lite there.

    Glad to see the chatter about the Oilers and Jackman or Ramo came to nothing. That was the wrong direction to go. Sekere and Letestu are good pickups.

    Nice to see Stortini back in the league too.

  5. Mr DeBakey says:

    Connorrhea: Giveaways. Has to be the worst stat.

    Well, It tells you who is responsible for, and most capable of, handling the puck the most.

    But I hear what you are saying

  6. G Money says:

    admiralmark,

    I’ve been playing with those numbers myself. It may not be as insurmountable as it seems.

    Looking at just the goals against side of the equation, the Oilers gave up 30 shots per game and carried a league worst .89 sv%.

    If they can improve by one shot per game (call it the TMc effect) and get league average .915 goaltending, the equation becomes:

    29 * 82 * (1 – .915) = 202 goals against.

    That right there is +74 goals.

    To get to a total +90 swing (making for a positive goal differential), they need to score about .2 more goals per game. That would move them from 26th in the league in GF to about 20th in the league.

    You can get there by moving sh% (league low .083) to a still low 0.09, and moving shots per game from a near-league-worst 28.4 to 29, which is still only about 23rd in the league.

    That gets you 29 * 82 * .09 = 214 goals, which is a +21 goal improvement.

    Total = 74 + 21 = 95. Convenient eh? Didn’t even fudge the analysis to get there, just used the shot numbers the Oilers were pulling early last season.

    That’s all it will take.

    One less shot per game and league average goaltending.

    Half a shot more per game and a bottom-of-normal range sh%.

  7. Rip Fan Winkle says:

    admiralmark: And with that DSF accomplished his goal here for yet another night.

    I don’t agree. Arguing his trolling comments with him is when he wins. It was an honest and fair comment on how he chooses to behave here. Everyone else gets called out for speaking shit.

  8. Chamucks says:

    G Money,

    You’re giving me too much hope. I don’t want to start betting with people.

  9. Pouzar says:

    G Money:
    admiralmark,

    I’ve been playing with those numbers myself.It may not be as insurmountable as it seems.

    Looking at just the goals against side of the equation, the Oilers gave up 30 shots per game and carried a league worst .89 sv%.

    If they can improve by one shot per game (call it the TMc effect) and get league average .915 goaltending, the equation becomes:

    29 * 82 * (1 – .915) = 202 goals against.

    That right there is +74 goals.

    To get to a total+90 swing (making for a positive goal differential), they need to score about .2 more goals per game.That would move them from 26th in the league in GF to about 20th in the league.

    You can get there by moving sh% (league low .083) to a still low 0.09, and moving shots per game from a near-league-worst 28.4 to 29, which is still only about 23rd in the league.

    That gets you 29 * 82 * .09 = 214 goals, which is a +21 goal improvement.

    Total = 74 + 21 = 95.Convenient eh?Didn’t even fudge the analysis to get there, just used the shot numbers the Oilers were pulling early last season.

    That’s all it will take.

    One less shot per game and league average goaltending.

    Half a shot more per game and a bottom-of-normal range sh%.

    Outstanding.

  10. Connorrhea says:

    G Money: That’s all it will take.

    McLellan for the Adams, 2016?

    What’s the Vegas line for that?

  11. G Money says:

    Chamucks,

    Heh heh, sorry ’bout that.

    Depending on what Chia does this summer (still would like to see the sh*t at the bottom of the D roster sent away for someone legit top 4), I may, for the first time in *years*, be tempted to predict a playoff spot for the Oilers!

    In any case, I DO expect them to be a bubble team this year.

  12. SoxandOil says:

    hunter1909,

    Plus Yak has little trade value at the moment, at the very least wait till the deadline or the draft after he has a good year.

  13. Pouzar says:

    SoxandOil,

    As in RedSoxandOil????

  14. Dashingsilverfox says:

    G Money:
    admiralmark,

    I’ve been playing with those numbers myself.It may not be as insurmountable as it seems.

    Looking at just the goals against side of the equation, the Oilers gave up 30 shots per game and carried a league worst .89 sv%.

    If they can improve by one shot per game (call it the TMc effect) and get league average .915 goaltending, the equation becomes:

    29 * 82 * (1 – .915) = 202 goals against.

    That right there is +74 goals.

    To get to a total+90 swing (making for a positive goal differential), they need to score about .2 more goals per game.That would move them from 26th in the league in GF to about 20th in the league.

    You can get there by moving sh% (league low .083) to a still low 0.09, and moving shots per game from a near-league-worst 28.4 to 29, which is still only about 23rd in the league.

    That gets you 29 * 82 * .09 = 214 goals, which is a +21 goal improvement.

    Total = 74 + 21 = 95.Convenient eh?Didn’t even fudge the analysis to get there, just used the shot numbers the Oilers were pulling early last season.

    That’s all it will take.

    One less shot per game and league average goaltending.

    Half a shot more per game and a bottom-of-normal range sh%.

    If you were dealing with a steady state of the teams the Oilers will face you would be on to something.

    But you aren’t.

    For example, with the addition of Hamilton and Frolik, the Flames are likely to be a much better possession team.

    The Stars, with a healthy Benn and Nichushkin, will be much better.

    You just can’r look at things in isolation and draw any meaningful conclusions.

    Quantum entanglement,

  15. "Steve Smith" says:

    Dashingsilverfox: At that number and, more importantly, term I can see why LA walked away.

    Just like you said they would!

    Dashingsilverfox: Oh,I think Lombardi would have loved to keep him but $5,5 X 6 is way too much to pay for a second pairing D.

    He wisely backed off.

    Just like you said he would!

    admiralmark: And with that DSF accomplished his goal here for yet another night.

    No, no – DSF accomplishes his goal when he frustrates and angers people. Tonight, he is a source of mirth; it’s very different.

  16. wheatnoil says:

    G Money:
    admiralmark,

    One less shot per game and league average goaltending.

    Half a shot more per game and a bottom-of-normal range sh%.

    One less shot per game hey?

    Ference had the effect of increasing the corsi against of his line-mates by 5.4/60 minutes played. He plays about 16 and a half even-strength minutes a game and you usually got a shot for every two corsi events. So replacing Ference with a defenseman who is neutral on his linemates’ corsi would be enough to reduce shots per game by 0.75 with that move alone.

    If only Chia could pull such a move off!

  17. Chamucks says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    And the Canucks will be much, much worse. 🙂

  18. admiralmark says:

    G Money: admiralmark, I’ve been playing with those numbers myself. It may not be as insurmountable as it seems.Looking at just the goals against side of the equation, the Oilers gave up 30 shots per game and carried a league worst .89 sv%.If they can improve by one shot per game (call it the TMc effect) and get league average .915 goaltending, the equation becomes:29 * 82 * (1 – .915) = 202 goals against. That right there is +74 goals.To get to a total +90 swing (making for a positive goal differential), they need to score about .2 more goals per game. That would move them from 26th in the league in GF to about 20th in the league.You can get there by moving sh% (league low .083) to a still low 0.09, and moving shots per game from a near-league-worst 28.4 to 29, which is still only about 23rd in the league.That gets you 29 * 82 * .09 = 214 goals, which is a +21 goal improvement.Total = 74 + 21 = 95. Convenient eh? Didn’t even fudge the analysis to get there, just used the shot numbers the Oilers were pulling early last season.That’s all it will take.One less shot per game and league average goaltending.Half a shot more per game and a bottom-of-normal range sh%.

    That seems promising enough. It’s interesting that it would become the 2nd biggest turnaround for a team in the goal differential Dept in the last 10 years for this to happen. Both included a phenom being added to the team. Only difference is it was the 2nd season that Crosby et al did it. It shows that there is a perfect case scenario where this could happen. The question is were the additions enough to get this team to make such a monstrous turnaround? Odds are against. Not impossible. But certainly not probable.

  19. "Steve Smith" says:

    Chamucks:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    And the Canucks will be much, much worse.

    I think you’re confusing DSF with somebody else; he has never thought highly of the Canucks. Or of Eastasia.

  20. Dashingsilverfox says:

    “Steve Smith”: Just like you said they would!

    Just like you said he would!

    No, no – DSF accomplishes his goal when he frustrates and angers people.Tonight, he is a source of mirth; it’s very different.

    Oh wait…forgive me father for I have sinned.

    Sekera is top pairing D on a cup contender.

    Lying isn’t a cardinal sin…right?

  21. "Steve Smith" says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Oh wait…forgive me father for I have sinned.

    Sinned? No, spreading mirth is a virtue. We love you, DSF.

  22. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Chamucks:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    And the Canucks will be much, much worse.

    No.

    About the same.

    No idea what the plan is there,

    They seem to have lost the plot.

  23. Halfwise says:

    G Money:
    admiralmark,

    I’ve been playing with those numbers myself.It may not be as insurmountable as it seems.

    Looking at just the goals against side of the equation, the Oilers gave up 30 shots per game and carried a league worst .89 sv%.

    If they can improve by one shot per game (call it the TMc effect) and get league average .915 goaltending, the equation becomes:

    29 * 82 * (1 – .915) = 202 goals against.

    That right there is +74 goals.

    To get to a total+90 swing (making for a positive goal differential), they need to score about .2 more goals per game.That would move them from 26th in the league in GF to about 20th in the league.

    You can get there by moving sh% (league low .083) to a still low 0.09, and moving shots per game from a near-league-worst 28.4 to 29, which is still only about 23rd in the league.

    That gets you 29 * 82 * .09 = 214 goals, which is a +21 goal improvement.

    Total = 74 + 21 = 95.Convenient eh?Didn’t even fudge the analysis to get there, just used the shot numbers the Oilers were pulling early last season.

    That’s all it will take.

    One less shot per game and league average goaltending.

    Half a shot more per game and a bottom-of-normal range sh%.

    In organizations that struggle, there is often a certain kind of situation that, when it occurs, amplifies all the weaknesses of that organization. There never seems to be an offsetting situation that makes use of all the strengths of the organization.

    In project management, the situation is the dreaded “late change”. When something big happens late in a project and we have to scramble to accommodate, everything we are weak at seems to get exposed.

    Fixing a couple of basic things leads to remarkable turnarounds in performance. We don’t get killed nearly as often.

    Or in golf, the same swing flaw may kill us on 30 strokes in a round. Fix that swing flaw and suddenly you improve by 6 strokes.

    It’s been a good day in Oilerville, and I am willing to believe that this team has a chance for a step change up in performance. Better talent, better balance, better coaching and more resilience because of more depth.

    Is it better by +100 Goal Differential? Not right out of the gate, because all these new faces and new systems are going to take a while to gel. But I’d predict that any 20 game stretch will be better than the 20 games that preceded it.

    As for Debating Seems Foolhardy, there’s an unhealthiness in what he does that indicates one should minimize one’s exposure to him.

    Let not thy mellow be harshed.

  24. FTO says:

    “Steve Smith”: Just like you said they would!

    Just like you said he would!

    No, no – DSF accomplishes his goal when he frustrates and angers people.Tonight, he is a source of mirth; it’s very different.

    I think what he means to say is that because we don’t have the Flames roster we should just give up, trade McDavid and Nurse and try again. I see I was wrong to be happy we acquired a good defenseman now, I have seen the error in my ways.

  25. G Money says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Quantum entanglement,

    LOL, don’t be a dumbass. You aren’t a physicist. Hell, *I’m* not a physicist, but my masters degree was based on computational physics. You haven’t a fucking clue what quantum entanglement is.

    All you’re pointing out is that changes in a closed system like this are a zero sum game. Whoop dee fucking doo.

    First, the Flames are better – but they were playing WAY over their heads last year, and would have regressed massively this year, just like the Leafs and Avs did before them. The adds that they made this year are outstanding, but all they’re likely to do is reverse the effects of the otherwise inevitable regression. I now expect the Flames this year will be exactly what they were last year – a bubble playoff team.

    The Stars have done exactly one thing – added an average goalie on the downswing of his career, and failed to address their most pressing need, which is a competent defenseman or two. They will NOT be better next year.

    Meanwhile the Canucks will be FAR worse next year.
    The Hawks will be worse.
    The Kings will be worse.
    The Sharks will be worse.
    And I can pretty much guarantee that the Oilers next year will not go ohfer against the Coyotes.

  26. Dashingsilverfox says:

    “Steve Smith”: Sinned?No, spreading mirth is a virtue.We love you, DSF.

    The Budda endorses this message,

  27. Chamucks says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Do I smell a “woodguy”? No way the Canucks win 48 games.

  28. "Steve Smith" says:

    FTO: I see I was wrong to be happy we acquired a good defenseman now, I have seen the error in my ways.

    A good defenceman? I fear that you’re confused. He might have been a good defenceman if he had stuck with LA (though of course DSF knew very well that that wasn’t going to happen), but the contract he signed today proves that he’s a very poor defenceman indeed.

  29. G Money says:

    admiralmark,

    I think if you want to find a parallel to the Oilers, one thing you need to look for is a situation of a team with such catastrophically poor goaltending.

    The Oilers were a ‘two sigma plus’ team in that regard last year, which is practically a ‘black swan’ event for hockey.

    Just getting league average goaltending is a +67 goal swing, all on its own.

    The rest of the team just needs minor improvements to cover off the rest of the 30!

  30. dustrock says:

    If they can dump a couple of the d-men, then it looks like for the first time since 2006? we have a decent NHL roster.

    I thought Chia Pete and McLellan might want a full year to evaluate the talent before making a blockbuster trade.

    He managed to improve the team without moving any of our young prospects other than Marincin, who we figured was gone anyway.

    I half-expected Schultz & Yakupov to be traded, but at this point it seems to make more sense to keep them.

  31. FTO says:

    “Steve Smith”: A good defenceman?I fear that you’re confused.He might have been a good defenceman if he had stuck with LA (though of course DSF knew very well that that wasn’t going to happen), but the contract he signed today proves that he’s a very poor defenceman indeed.

    See the cat? See the cradle?

  32. G Money says:

    “Steve Smith”: A good defenceman? I fear that you’re confused. He might have been a good defenceman if he had stuck with LA (though of course DSF knew very well that that wasn’t going to happen), but the contract he signed today proves that he’s a very poor defenceman indeed.

    Exactly. Poor sucker. His skills are evaporating as we speak.

    I hear getting that McDavid kid is a real problem too.

    Tough times. Tough times.

  33. Dashingsilverfox says:

    G Money:
    Meanwhile the Canucks will be FAR worse next year.
    The Hawks will be worse.
    The Kings will be worse.
    The Sharks will be worse.
    And I can pretty much guarantee that the Oilers next year will not go ohfer against the Coyotes.

    My goodness…Foghorn Leghorn is putting his balls on the table!.

    So let’s get some perspective on things.

    The Canucks will be FAR worse. Define that. Points please.

    The Hawks will be worse. Define that. Points please.

    The Kings will be worse. Define that. Points please.

    The Sharks will be worse. Define that. Points please.

    I’m not sure my liver will be able to handle your lack of insight.

  34. Oilanderp says:

    G Money,

    I think the Oiler’s goalie would have to play above average in order to produce a league average save percentage behind this d-core. If they can improve the defense (and today went a long way in this regard) then I would be willing to dig out my orange and blue pom poms and join the playoff bubble parade!

  35. G Money says:

    wheatnoil,

    Nice!

    So the equation is Talbot + reversion(Scrivens) + Sekera – Petry + McDavid – Roy + Gryba + Reinhart – Marincin – Ference = +95.

    Adds up.

  36. G Money says:

    Dashingsilverfox: My goodness…Foghorn Leghorn is putting his balls on the table!.

    So let’s get some perspective on things.

    The Canucks will be FAR worse. Define that. Points please.

    The Hawks will be worse. Define that. Points please.

    The Kings will be worse. Define that. Points please.

    The Sharks will be worse. Define that. Points please.

    I’m not sure my liver will be able to handle your lack of insight.

    Canucks -20.

    Hawks -6.

    Kings -6.

    Sharks -12.

    Coyotes -6.

    Flames +0.

    Stars +2.

  37. Dashingsilverfox says:

    G Money: Canucks -20. Bet

    Hawks -6.

    Kings-6. Bet

    Sharks -12. Bet

  38. G Money says:

    Oilanderp,

    1. Defense is a team effort. I expect a much better, more organized effort from a TMc team.

    2. I do think the defense is improved, though with Petry out and Sekera in, that’s a very mild improvement.

    3. I expect Scrivens to rebound and Talbot I hope does not have his early career swoon. Those two things will produce at minimum league average goaltending.

  39. G Money says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    What’s your bet? I’m giving you my projections. You bet on YOUR projections, not mine.

    You stated the Canucks will be the same next year, did you not?

    Fine – one woodguy on Canucks +0. Anything less than that, I win. +0 or better, you win.

    What’s your line on the Kings, Hawks, Flames, Sharks and Stars?

  40. Mr DeBakey says:

    G Money: McDavid – Roy

    So
    Re-sign Roy
    +98 right?

  41. G Money says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    By the way, since the Flames as you say now have THREE #1 D! and since last year was not in any way a fluke and they would have matched that result this year anyway, even without the new players, I’m expecting your line on the Flames to be at least +20. Right?

  42. admiralmark says:

    G Money: admiralmark, I think if you want to find a parallel to the Oilers, one thing you need to look for is a situation of a team with such catastrophically poor goaltending. The Oilers were a ‘two sigma plus’ team in that regard last year, which is practically a ‘black swan’ event for hockey.Just getting league average goaltending is a +67 goal swing, all on its own.The rest of the team just needs minor improvements to cover off the rest of the 30!

    Thanks I feel more like 50/50 they make it now. Hopefully Talbot is up for the task? And I’d feel even more positive if Chiarelli is somehow able to minimize or eliminate the role of at least 2 of Nikitin/Ference/Schultz prior to the start of the season. We shall see.

  43. LadiesloveSmid says:

    G Money:
    admiralmark,

    I’ve been playing with those numbers myself.It may not be as insurmountable as it seems.

    Looking at just the goals against side of the equation, the Oilers gave up 30 shots per game and carried a league worst .89 sv%.

    If they can improve by one shot per game (call it the TMc effect) and get league average .915 goaltending, the equation becomes:

    29 * 82 * (1 – .915) = 202 goals against.

    That right there is +74 goals.

    To get to a total+90 swing (making for a positive goal differential), they need to score about .2 more goals per game.That would move them from 26th in the league in GF to about 20th in the league.

    You can get there by moving sh% (league low .083) to a still low 0.09, and moving shots per game from a near-league-worst 28.4 to 29, which is still only about 23rd in the league.

    That gets you 29 * 82 * .09 = 214 goals, which is a +21 goal improvement.

    Total = 74 + 21 = 95.Convenient eh?Didn’t even fudge the analysis to get there, just used the shot numbers the Oilers were pulling early last season.

    That’s all it will take.

    One less shot per game and league average goaltending.

    Half a shot more per game and a bottom-of-normal range sh%.

    I was going to ask someone brainy to run the numbers with league average goaltending and better O/D.

    Nice work.

    Let’s hope Talbot can deliver the goods, not just league average.

    I’d be satisfied with 10th last next year. Somewhat in the hunt. A substantial stride with the horizon in sight. Hopefully their #1 goalie arises

  44. Dashingsilverfox says:

    G Money:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    By the way, since the Flames as you say now have THREE #1 D! and since last year was not in any way a fluke and they would have matched that result this year anyway, even without the new players, I’m expecting your line on the Flames to be at least +20.Right?

    Nope they’ll like have a marginal improvement to about 100 points.

  45. Hemmertime says:

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/07/02/connor-mcdavid-declares-first-day-of-oilers-orientation-camp-fun

    “it was really cool to throw on the Oilers gear, the gear that I want to play the rest of my life wearing.” – McDavid

    Raise a drink to that!

  46. Rip Fan Winkle says:

    PC will like Yak more than Eberle because he has an edge and is hard on the puck. I like his attitude and heart but like Schultz I don’t think he is killing it where he needs to. If he can’t snipe consistently because he doesn’t beat players with skating and is small he won’t cover the bet. Even with his usage so far I still haven’t seen him be very dangerous. He really needs to take a big step this year if he makes the summer.

  47. Dashingsilverfox says:

    G Money:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    What’s your bet?I’m giving you my projections.You bet on YOUR projections, not mine.

    You stated the Canucks will be the same next year, did you not?

    Fine – one woodguy on Canucks +0.Anything less than that, I win.+0 or better, you win.

    What’s your line on the Kings, Hawks, Flames, Sharks and Stars?

    The Kings were sewered by their lack of success in shootouts. Won’t happen again.

    The Hawks will likely drop a little.

    The Flames are much better than a few days ago.

    The Sharks are a question mark.

    The Stars are an elite team ready to get revved up.

  48. G Money says:

    admiralmark,

    Don’t forget, the Sabres goalies put up almost .01 better goaltending than the Oilers goalies did. And FrJohnK did the work to adjust the goalies sv% for the Oiler defense – and it didn’t change much. The reason for that is because the worst goals were soft goals, not hard goals. Take a look at the ‘hextally’ chart on war-on-ice. The Oilers goaltending for shots from the blueline is beyond amazingly bad.

    Blaming the goaltending on the defense isn’t really supportable. The defense was bad, but not nearly as bad as people think it was. It was the goalies that truly shit the bed.

    I think the improvements to the defense so far are mild because all three of FSN are still around.

    Schultz if he’s here I think is a lock for a spot, because unless they can find another puck mover, none of the other guys can do what he can do from the blue line forward. I think Fayne, Sekera, and Klefbom are locks for the top 3. If Schultz is around, I also expect that TMc and his crew will demand better defense from him.

    Chia did say that one thing he’s looking forward to is competition, and if all of those other guys stay around, then you’ve got ferocious competition between Ference, NN, Reinhart, Nurse and Gryba for just two spots. Of those guys, only Ference should be expected to decline next year. I expect a “prove it” year from NN if he’s still around, and the other three have room to grow. That in itself should improve the third pairing over last year, though again, its likely a marginal change.

  49. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Connorrhea: Serious question.

    Are the Flames:

    1) Bad

    2) Fair

    3) Good

    4) Very Good

    5) Fucking Great

    I really like how CGY is built. Brodie-Hamilton for the next 8 years. Monahan-Bennett-Backlund down the middle, Ortio-Gillies are strong G prospects. It’s entirely possible that they will be better than Edmonton but the guys in 1st don’t always/often win Stanley. It’ll be a great BoA.

  50. Oilanderp says:

    G Money:
    Oilanderp,

    1. Defense is a team effort.I expect a much better, more organized effort from a TMc team.

    2. I do think the defense is improved, though with Petry out and Sekera in, that’s a very mild improvement.

    3. I expect Scrivens to rebound and Talbot I hope does not have his early career swoon.Those two things will produce at minimum league average goaltending.

    I agree with 1 and 2 but am not yet convinced of #3. For the reason why, see my point above. Our team defense has not improved enough… yet. My blue and orange pom poms still stand at the ready, however.

  51. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Nope they’ll like have a marginal improvement to about 100 points.

    Hamilton, Bennett, Frolik bump them up 3 measly points? Full season of Giordano? More experienced Gaudreau, Monahan?

    unless this year was smoke and mirrors 😉

  52. 719 says:

    Aside from points per game, aren’t Marincin and Sekera very similar (including fancy stats)?

  53. G Money says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Nope they’ll like have a marginal improvement to about 100 points.

    Wow, that’s a pussy of a declaration for a guy crowing about all the amazing adds that the Flames have made and THREE COUNT EM THREE NUMBER ONE D. Three whole points. One per #1D?

  54. Rip Fan Winkle says:

    LadiesloveSmid: I really like how CGY is built. Brodie-Hamilton for the next 8 years. Monahan-Bennett-Backlund down the middle, Ortio-Gillies are strong G prospects. It’s entirely possible that they will be better than Edmonton but the guys in 1st don’t always/often win Stanley. It’ll be a great BoA.

    MCD RNH Drai Lander is far better than Calgary’s center group. Giordano is approaching decline, so really they have Brodie and Hamilton who are very good. The Oilers have Nurse and Klefbom so that is a wash.

    Calgary will be a good team but like times of yore they will be eating the Oilers scraps. They haven’t been through the pain that brought us the elite talent they lack. They have good but not elite players IMO.

  55. AsiaOil says:

    I’m pretty confident about the team except the goaltending which is dicey. Could go either way. Counting on a guy (Talbot) who has never played 40 games is asking for trouble but let’s hope they limit him to say 50 starts which is a modest increase and 1A territory. Can Scrivens give us 30 decent starts? Agree that a reversion is possible – but again – wouldn’t count on it. What ever they do they have to protect Talbot’s confidence and give Scrivens those 2nd half of B2B and designated loss matches against top teams on the road. I’d accept Scriven’s being mediocre if it helps Talbot develop. Would be better to have a vet mentor like Anderson but that’s not possible – too many holes elsewhere that were more important.

    But whatever my bet is with G Money – I’m still pulling for Talbot to develop and provide decent goaltending – but for Pete’s sake TMac – don’t throw the guy into the deep end with the sharks.

  56. FTO says:

    G Money: Wow, that’s a pussy of a declaration for a guy crowing about all the amazing adds that the Flames have made and THREE COUNT EM THREE NUMBER ONE D.Three whole points.One per #1D?

    Apparently number one D don’t count for much in the standings.

  57. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Rip Fan Winkle: MCD RNH Drai Lander is far better than Calgary’scenter group. Giordano is approaching decline, so really they haveBrodie and Hamilton who are very good. The Oilers have Nurse and Klefbom so that is a wash.

    Calgary will be a good team but like times of yore they will be eating the Oilers scraps. They haven’t been through the pain that brought us the elite talent they lack. They have good but not elite players IMO.

    Up front Edmonton should blow Calgary out of the water. McDavid-RNH-Draisaitl. Hall-Eberle-Yak on the wings.

    I don’t see a match in Edmonton for Brodie-Hamilton. I don’t think Nurse or Klefbom or Reinhart will be as good as either. I’m still fuming that BOS sold him so low to them, and not Edmonton. I’m just praying Nurse shatters Johnny Hockey’s body and will and that McDavid dangles Hamilton so badly that he starts seeing a shrink

  58. Moose says:

    Snowman:
    Moose,

    They’re not that small down the middle now. McDavid is decent size, I imagine Nuge will put on weight again and will be decent sized as well.

    Nuge and CMD will probably be 6′ 200lbs and Letestu is 5’9” 200 lbs. Lander is the smallest at 6 and 190ish and he’s probably the toughest out of the group. Drai is a monster.

    Youngish for sure. I’ll take Nuge and his 30 goals next year and CMD and his 60 points as a 1-2 punch any day.

    Stauffer alluded to the fact that he saw Nuge the other day and he looked like a grown ass man. Really filled out. So that’s nice to hear.

    If the center depth chart stays the way it is, Nuge and Lander are really going to be doing the heavy lifting. Adding Fehr or Matthias who can play both C and W would be ideal, but I have a feeling they’re done up-front.

    They’re tantalizing close to being a good team if they could add another D.

  59. Chamucks says:

    FTO,

    No wonder he thinks Sekera was a bad signing.

  60. dangilitis says:

    Dashingsilverfox:
    Some perspective kids.

    Sekera would be Calgary’s 4th best defenseman and Wideman might give him a run for his money.

    At that number and, more importantly, term I can see why LA walked away.

    This is the guy in a nutshell right here, in his condescending glory.

    We oiler fans (and by saying “we” I exclude you, DSF) are used to watching the team being run by fools – GM’s who have been flat out wrong at various points in time but who are unable to come to grips with the facts, to the point that they will lie to the media and the public about their failures while everyone can smell their bullshit from a mile away. We have tolerated it for too long and so too have we tolerated DSF. The irony is that he cannot see his own hubris, which all parties, DSF included, have detested amongst the management on kingsway.

    But there will come a point where the management will be relied on to tell the truth and to own their mistakes. Similarly we can one day hope that DSF will mature to the point where he can, for one time in his wretched existence on this blog, make peace with the fact that he is wrong about something, and that he possibly could be wrong about a great many other things. And, dare I say it, that he could not even be the smartest hockey mind in existence.

    People wonder why we “feed the troll”. I see it differently. I think the individuals on this site are collectively keeping this small human’s ridiculously large ego in check. I wish for the sake of the contributors to this site who are much smarter than I, and for the fans of this site like me, that his shtick doesnt continue to dominate the comments. It is frustrating to sift through his crap when I would rather read the insightful comments of others. I do value quality over quantity and I expect others might feel the same way. I also know that LT does do his best to moderate and keep dsf in check but lately he has been getting out of control. I hope others agree with me when I say that while he has a few good cents to share and brings a different perspective and yada yada, we get plenty of different perspectives on this site without the malice. Or the flip flopping that can only come from an individual who is convinced that he knows everything about everything.

  61. tcho says:

    Dashingsilverfox: The Kings were sewered by their lack of success inshootouts. Won’t happen again.

    The Hawks will likely drop a little.

    The Flames are much better than a few days ago.

    The Sharks are a question mark.

    The Stars are an elite team ready to get revved up.

    This is pretty pathetic. You challenge G to define his predicted team drops, and he fires right back with his #s. And you come back with this (and in this, you completely ignore your Canuckleheads prediction btw)?

  62. dangilitis says:

    G Money: Wow, that’s a pussy of a declaration for a guy crowing about all the amazing adds that the Flames have made and THREE COUNT EM THREE NUMBER ONE D.Three whole points.One per #1D?

    C’mon g money, you also gotta factor in monahans drop in shooting percentage from 15 to 13 per cent 🙂

  63. G Money says:

    Rip Fan Winkle,

    I give Calgary far more credit than I imply when I’m countering the incredibly stupid and self-contradictory things that DSF says.

    I f*cking hate the fact that Treliving appears to be a smart man making some smart moves. Hate it!!

    That said, I think the Flames have a lot of proving to do before some of the positive assumptions that are being made about their D and their C depth can be taken as fact.

    Reality is that they were a terrible team last year, getting their heads kicked in shot-wise pretty much every night (DESPITE having TWO COUNT EM TWO NUMBER ONE D!), and regression this year was pretty much a certainty.

    They now have a guy that I think WILL be a legit #1D in Hamilton. It burns me beyond believe that they sheer dumb lucked into the one guy that will help legitimize them as team for many years.

    They have Giordano, who I do believe is a legit top pairing guy, but not so sure about crowning him a 1D. He and Brodie are effective together, but really not very good apart. That may be a reflection of just how terrible the Flames D corps is after those two, but still, a legit 1D makes his partners that much better. Pronger made MAB look legit! Hell, Petry made Ference look legit.

    Jury should be out on Brodie for the same reason. Good with Giordano. Not good without him. Lots left to prove.

    Absolute shit for D after those three, and no small part as to why the Flames got their heads kicked in most nights.

    Same deal up front.

    I like Monahan, think he’ll be a terrific scoring centre. But despite gaudy (and I think unsustainable) numbers, he hasn’t proven himself elite yet. Same issue – he gets his head kicked in night after night shot-wise. That sets him apart, and not in a good way, from most good young players with his supposed skillset. Elite players tilt the ice. Like Hall. Like RNH. Not like Monahan.

    I like Gaudreau, despite the arrogant nickname, but wonder about durability. He surprised the league last year, this year I expect he’ll be game planned and targetted. Will be a lot more challenging next year, both to put up points and to stay healthy.

    And most of all, I think Bennett has maybe the most polarizing outcomes of all those guys. He has the highest ceiling by far – he could be Taylor Hall. The problem is, he also plays a cannonball style like Taylor Hall. And he has the physique of RNH.

    Even moreso than Gaudreau (who does not play the same physical) style, if I’m a Flames fan, I’d be VERY concerned about his durability in the NHL. He will I’m certain be a great player, better than Monahan or Gaudreau – but only if he survives.

    This is the reason I was pulling for, and glad, that we picked Dr. Drai over Bennett. Bennett has a higher ceiling, no question. But its hard to score from the medical room. Whereas Drai’s style and massive physique mean he should be able to stay healthy for a long time.

    After that, I don’t get the discussions about the Flames so called C depth. After Monahan and Bennett, all their remaining centres scored less than Lander did. And they’re ALL older than he is.

    C depth? What C depth?

    Comparably, RNH, McD, Drai, Lander, Letestu in two years may be the best in the league, no hyperbole. I expect the RNH we saw after the Eakinshackles came off (he and Eberle were the highest scoring tandem in the league) is the “man strength” RNH we’re going to see gifting us incredible Datsyukian hockey for the next decade.

    The Flames could indeed turn into a very good team in the long run, if Brodie is the real deal and Giordano can stay healthy and productive for a few years, and Bennett and Gaudreau can also stay healthy. Or they could fizzle if more than a few of those things don’t pan out. It’s not yet a sure thing by any means.

  64. G Money says:

    dangilitis,

    OUCH, don’t remind me. Fucking Sweeney and Fucking Hamilton just made the odds on that bet a little more steep.

  65. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide fans discussing the Flames On July 1 = Trollgasmic.

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  67. Adam Wu says:

    wheatnoil: One less shot per game hey?

    Ference had the effect of increasing the corsi against of his line-mates by 5.4/60 minutes played. He plays about 16 and a half even-strength minutes a game and you usually got a shot for every two corsi events. So replacing Ference with a defenseman who is neutral on his linemates’ corsi would be enough to reduce shots per game by 0.75 with that move alone.

    If only Chia could pull such a move off!

    This no longer requires Chia to do anything. McLellan can simply pressbox Ference!

    Last year’s D was Petry, Klefbom, JSchultz, Fayne, Nikitin, Ference before the Petry trade, and JShultz, Klefbom, Fayne, Nikitin, Ference and multiheaded monster made of parts of Aulie, Hunt, Davidson, Marincin, etc after the trade deadline.

    Next year’s D is Sekera replacing Petry before trade deadline/multiheaded monster after deadline which is maybe wash/vast improvement, Klef, Jutz, Fayne remaining as they were, Nikitin staying with Nurse and Reinhart fighting to steal his lunch, which leaves Gryba as the option to replace Ference. So all we need is Gryba to be neutral to his teammate’s corsi.

    (Frankly, last year’s coaching staff could have achieved the same if they just pressboxed Ference and ran Marincin all year in his place…..)

  68. Moose says:

    dangilitis: This is the guy in a nutshell right here, in his condescending glory.

    We oiler fans (and by saying “we” I exclude you, DSF) are used to watching the team being run by fools – GM’s who have been flat out wrong at various points in time but who are unable to come to grips with the facts, to the point that they will lie to the media and the public about their failures while everyone can smell their bullshit from a mile away. We have tolerated it for too long and so too have we tolerated DSF. The irony is that he cannot see his own hubris, which all parties, DSF included, have detested amongst the management on kingsway.

    But there will come a point where the management will be relied on to tell the truth and to own their mistakes. Similarly we can one day hope that DSF will mature to the point where he can, for one time in his wretched existence on this blog, make peace with the fact that he is wrong about something,and that he possibly could be wrong about a great many other things. And, dare I say it, that he could not even be the smartest hockey mind in existence.

    People wonder why we “feed the troll”. I see it differently. I think the individuals on this site are collectively keeping this small human’s ridiculously large ego in check. I wish for the sake of the contributors to this site who are much smarter than I, and for the fans of this site like me, that his shtick doesnt continue to dominate the comments. It is frustrating to sift through his crap when I would rather read the insightful comments of others. I do value quality over quantity and I expect others might feel the same way. I also know that LT does do his best to moderate and keep dsf in check but lately he has been getting out of control. I hope others agree with me when I say that while he has a few good cents to shareand brings a different perspective and yada yada, we get plenty of different perspectives on this site without the malice. Or the flip flopping that can only come from an individual who is convinced that he knows everything about everything.

    Amen.

    The issue for me and many on here is DSF’s comments are almost always couched in condescension. Shit like:

    “Mmmkkkay people…” or “Ok, kids. Time for some perspective…” “- – – says hello”

    Shit like that immediately puts people on the defensive and want to put a boot up his ass. When you combine that intentionally inflammatory stuff with the non-sequiturs about other teams, what value is he actually bringing to the conversation?

    We all come on here to dissect, analyze and bitch and moan about our team. This thread, like many many others disintegrated because many of us were happy about the Sekera signing. But of course because the Oilers didn’t sign Larry Robinson, Serge Savard and Guy Lapointe today, apparently that wasn’t good enough for DSF, who responded rather boringly, with his crap about whatever flavor of the month team he thinks is better and smarter than the Oilers. Is it Dallas today? Calgary? Vancouver? Florida? I can’t remember. How’s that Kessel to Florida “for a song” deal working out, captain?

    I’m sure nothing will change, but I know my tolerance to come here and read on a daily basis has been diminished. I usually read comments until I see DSF pop up and then it’s thread over. *log off*

  69. commonfan14 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Full season of Giordano?

    Do those still happen?

  70. G Money says:

    hunter1909:
    Lowetide fans discussing the Flames On July 1= Trollgasmic.

    Discussing the strengths, weaknesses, changes, etc. in our biggest geographic rivals in the context of our team or players on our team is fair game.

    Discussing a random team without reference to how it affects our team is trollgasmic. The latter still happens, but we’re getting better at filtering it.

    I think the key is to keep in mind what I call the Pouzarian Response: “who the fuck cares?”

    Use liberally.

  71. Adam Wu says:

    G Money:
    Rip Fan Winkle,

    They now have a guy that I think WILL be a legit #1D in Hamilton.It burns me beyond believe that they sheer dumb lucked into the one guy that will help legitimize them as team for many years.

    They lucked into Hamilton. We lucked into McDavid.

    If that is the going rate of equivalent exchange of fortune, I can live with that!

    Also, to put on the alternate history hat, Calgary would likely not have gotten Hamilton if we had not hired Chiarelli. Most likely Hamilton ends up instead on the bitterest rival of whoever else happens to hire Chia Pet instead. It may even have been possible that MacT would have gotten Hamilton (if he had the wherewithal to have recognized the opportunity, appropriately assess Hamilton’s value, and willingness to offer the same draft picks).

    So, in effect, Calgary getting Hamilton is the cost demanded of us by the universe for clearing out the OBC and replacing MacT with Chiarelli.

    And that too is an equivalent exchange of fortune that I can live with!

  72. Moose says:

    To me the most baffling signing today was Belesky. Can anyone explain why he didn’t just stay in Anaheim? I thought LeBrun said they offered 4X4. Was the extra year really worth going to a team that has no chance of winning next year?

    I’m guessing he/his agent misjudged the market (thought he was getting $5M) and then his safety net left town when ANA traded for Hagelin. Good for the Ducks. They’re better off for it.

  73. Adam Wu says:

    But everyone must make sure to tell any Flames fans they know who might be crowing about Hamilton:

    To whit: Hamilton was gifted to the Flames to spite Chiarelli. Ergo, they get Hamilton only if Chiarelli is in Edmonton.

    Chiarelli is in Edmonton only because we won the lottery for McDavid.

    Thus, the Flames have Hamilton only because the Oilers won the lottery.

    You can bracket these statements with however many “WOOOOOTS!” you wish.

  74. commonfan14 says:

    Re-watched the McDavid pick the other night before deleting the draft from the PVR.

    Seeing it again, I think my favourite part was during the Strombo interview when he referenced that Chia had talked about the importance of keeping expectations in check. McDavid’s reaction was great, in that he seemed almost baffled by the idea and responded with something about how he’s not worried about that because nobody has higher expectations for him than himself.

    It didn’t come off as cockiness or even confidence as much as casual certainty. The way you’d react if someone suggested it was a good idea that people keep their expectations in check about your ability to drive yourself to work.

    It’s nice that most people on this site try to not go crazy when talking about this kid. It is.

    I’m not sure it’s necessary.

  75. G Money says:

    Moose,

    Yes, I’d say that’s fair.

    In previous years, UFA season was a crazy season, with dollars and term handed out like candy.

    This year, I think the number of teams in cap hell has finally made GMs realize that cap space matters, and that stupid decisions today can effect your team negatively for years and years.

    This year is the most restrained and sensible UFA season I can ever remember.

    Paying Beleskey $4M+ because of one good year is exactly the kind of fool decision that teams in the past have jumped at the chance to make.

    Poor Matt Beleskey. Picked a bad year to have his one great year!

  76. flyfish1168 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Up front Edmonton should blow Calgary out of the water. McDavid-RNH-Draisaitl. Hall-Eberle-Yak on the wings.

    I don’t see a match in Edmonton for Brodie-Hamilton. I don’t think Nurse or Klefbom or Reinhart will be as good as either. I’m still fuming that BOS sold him so low to them, and not Edmonton. I’m just praying Nurse shatters Johnny Hockey’s body and will and that McDavid dangles Hamilton so badly that he starts seeing a shrink

    I believe your dream and mine will come true for the next decade

  77. G Money says:

    Adam Wu: So, in effect, Calgary getting Hamilton is the cost demanded of us by the universe for clearing out the OBC and replacing MacT with Chiarelli.
    And that too is an equivalent exchange of fortune that I can live with!

    A fair statement, but I kind of feel that McDavid was the Hockey Gords’ reward to us for the last ten years of suckage. Because they sure have been laughing at the Oilers and their fans a lot those years.

    Then again, I suppose you could argue those years were just the payback for having watched the last truly great dynastic team (Nucks excepted of course, every year is a dynasty year for them).

    But then, what about the children who never got to watch that team? WHO WILL THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!

  78. G Money says:

    My wife is downstairs on the treadmill watching “Drop Dead Diva” on Netflix – urrrrr, there’s a show that sets my teeth on edge – and the kids are asleep, so I’m left with a very quiet albeit warm house.

    So I’m trying to make a little bit of progress on the way-behind-schedule coding for my Danger Adjusted Temporal Corsi project, and you guys are distracting me with interesting conversation.

    STOP IT. STOP IT ALL OF YOU. Please be more boring. Kthxbye.

  79. Rip Fan Winkle says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Up front Edmonton should blow Calgary out of the water. McDavid-RNH-Draisaitl. Hall-Eberle-Yak on the wings.

    I don’t see a match in Edmonton for Brodie-Hamilton. I don’t think Nurse or Klefbom or Reinhart will be as good as either. I’m still fuming that BOS sold him so low to them, and not Edmonton. I’m just praying Nurse shatters Johnny Hockey’s body and will and that McDavid dangles Hamilton so badly that he starts seeing a shrink

    Nurse and Klefbom both pass Brodie, Maybe not Hamilton.

  80. Wonder Llama says:

    G Money:
    My wife is downstairs on the treadmill watching “Drop Dead Diva” on Netflix – urrrrr, there’s a show that sets my teeth on edge – and the kids are asleep, so I’m left with a very quiet albeit warm house.

    So I’m trying to make a little bit of progress on the way-behind-schedule coding for my Danger Adjusted Temporal Corsi project, and you guys are distracting me with interesting conversation.

    STOP IT.STOP IT ALL OF YOU.Please be more boring.Kthxbye.

    Of course in those days the nickels all had pictures of bees on them. “Give me five bees for a quarter,” we’d say…

  81. striatic says:

    Wonder Llama: Of course in those days the nickels all had pictures of bees on them. “Give me five bees for a quarter,” we’d say…

    Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones…

    RIP OTC

  82. striatic says:

    Oh and speaking of moons, if you are interested you ought to check out the latest pictures of Pluto’s moon, Charon. Turns out it has a little hat.

    Connor McDavid wore an Oilers hat on draft day.

    See, it’s related.

  83. El Duderino says:

    Moose: Amen.

    The issue for me and many on here is DSF’s comments are almost always couched in condescension. Shit like:

    “Mmmkkkay people…” or “Ok, kids. Time for some perspective…” “- – –says hello”

    Shit like that immediately puts people on the defensive and want to put a boot up his ass. When you combine that intentionally inflammatory stuff with the non-sequiturs about other teams, what value is he actually bringing to the conversation?

    We all come on here to dissect, analyze and bitch and moan about our team. This thread, like many many others disintegrated because many of us were happy about the Sekera signing. But of course because the Oilers didn’t sign Larry Robinson, Serge Savard and Guy Lapointe today, apparently that wasn’t good enough for DSF, who responded rather boringly, with his crap about whatever flavor of the month team he thinks is better and smarter than the Oilers. Is it Dallas today? Calgary? Vancouver? Florida? I can’t remember. How’s that Kessel to Florida“for a song” deal working out, captain?

    I’m sure nothing will change, but I know my tolerance to come here and read on a daily basis has been diminished. I usually read comments until I see DSF pop up and then it’s thread over. *log off*

    Hear, Hear. Dashing Silver Fox, aka DSF , among other monikers, was finally banned on HF Boards a few years ago. He’s a mean, spiteful soul sowing seeds of discord. Overall he’s got a big minus, a very low corsi, and a miniscule shooting percentage. He revels in disturbing the shit and inciting the real Oiler fans. He is a huge negative.

  84. slaveLake says:

    #1. I hate to say it but DSF has been right more than wrong in the last few years. And ..
    #2. I wish Chia would have traded Yak for Hamilton. If that’s what it would have taken ? I imagine even if Boston hates Chia at least they could’ve sold the #1 overall to their fan base. IMO it would have been worth it. And I like Yak more than Ebs. But

  85. Pete says:

    Moose:

    I’m sure nothing will change, but I know my tolerance to come here and read on a daily basis has been diminished. I usually read comments until I see DSF pop up and then it’s thread over. *log off*

    Bang on. I’ve been happily reading this blog for years, basically since day one. Unfortunately, the comment threads have degenerated immensely over the past few months, almost entirely because of DSF’s constant derailment of threads (and others’ constantly rising to the bait). It’s very boring and predictable, and I really don’t understand why this continues. Good posters are disappearing, and that’s very unfortunate.

    Great site regardless. I’m just bewildered as to why this DSF nonsense goes on, and on, and on. Seriously, it’s dull and played out. Disruption through repetition and boredom? What’s the point?

  86. stevezie says:

    Love the Flames’ summer. Sekera would be their 4th best d. Amd Monahan would be our 3c.

    Both teams improve. We’ll see how it goes.

  87. "Steve Smith" says:

    slaveLake:
    #1. I hate to say it but DSF has been right more than wrong in the last few years.

    There’s a certain bias in this – you remember the times that he was right more, because he brings them each up a couple of times per day.

  88. Suntory Hanzo says:

    G Money,

    Lovely comment. Well said, G$

  89. Martin Lundén (dohfOs) says:

    Barring further roster movement I’d like them to try Schultz on RW.. say

    BP – RNH – Eberle
    Hall – McDavid – Yakupov
    Purcell – Lander – Schultz
    Hendy – Letestu – Korpikoski
    Klink

    Klefbom – Sekera
    Reinhart – Fayne
    Nurse – Gryba
    Ference

    Talbot
    Scrivens

  90. hags9k says:

    Moose: Amen.

    The issue for me and many on here is DSF’s comments are almost always couched in condescension. Shit like:

    “Mmmkkkay people…” or “Ok, kids. Time for some perspective…” “- – –says hello”

    Shit like that immediately puts people on the defensive and want to put a boot up his ass. When you combine that intentionally inflammatory stuff with the non-sequiturs about other teams, what value is he actually bringing to the conversation?

    We all come on here to dissect, analyze and bitch and moan about our team. This thread, like many many others disintegrated because many of us were happy about the Sekera signing. But of course because the Oilers didn’t sign Larry Robinson, Serge Savard and Guy Lapointe today, apparently that wasn’t good enough for DSF, who responded rather boringly, with his crap about whatever flavor of the month team he thinks is better and smarter than the Oilers. Is it Dallas today? Calgary? Vancouver? Florida? I can’t remember. How’s that Kessel to Florida“for a song” deal working out, captain?

    I’m sure nothing will change, but I know my tolerance to come here and read on a daily basis has been diminished. I usually read comments until I see DSF pop up and then it’s thread over. *log off*

    I would have to agree. I sometimes enjoy his schtick but it is getting old and I don’t come here for that thread ruining stuff. If DSF were to just fuck off that would probably be a positive. Somebody said sifting. That’s the thing for me.

  91. spoiler says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Ignore it if you like but it won’t go away.

    Bwahahahaha!

    Have more fitting words ever been uttered on this blog?

    I had to Google them just to make sure they weren’t part of a Stones song.

    Ignore it if you like but it won’t go awaaaaaaaayyy…

  92. Yeti says:

    G Money: They now have a guy that I think WILL be a legit #1D in Hamilton. It burns me beyond believe that they sheer dumb lucked into the one guy that will help legitimize them as team for many years.

    Despite your own deity status, you really should be more careful when cursing fate. She hasn’t been unkind to the Oilers recently (despite the countervailing effects of managerial ineptitude that, thankfully, seems to be behind us).

  93. GCW_69 says:

    dangilitis: This is the guy in a nutshell right here, in his condescending glory.

    DSF isn’t wrong here. Sekera is a good fit for the Oilers and a big improvement on the left side, but he isn’t better than Hamilton, Gio, and Brodie. And L.A. is a cap team, they would be nuts to pay Sekera the money the Oilers paid.

    That doesn’t mean the Sekera signing is bad. In fact it’s good for the Oilers, and we should be happy about it. But let’s also be realistic about it. Sekera does not walk on water.

  94. GCW_69 says:

    If Chiarelli had traded 16, 33, and Marincin to Jersey for Larsson instead of new york for Reinhart he would have gotten five stars from me.

  95. Marc says:

    marty62:
    Ducey,

    Agreed.He was abused by the fan base for his contract and also because our old management team saw him as a no 1 forward and really he was always suited as a 3rd line center

    This quote is equally applicable to the attitude of a significant portion of the people on this blog towards Schultz. It’s not his fault that he’ll be overpaid this season. Nor is it is fault that he was cast as a Norris calibre D when at this stage in his career he needs sheltered minutes. Schultz isn’t a top pairing D, and he may well never be. But that doesn’t mean that he is completely worthless and needs to be shot into the sun.

    I honestly don’t understand how some of the same people who decried those Oilers fans who were so blinded by what Horcoff wasn’t – a top line center – that they couldn’t see what he was – an excellent third line center – can go and do exactly the same thing with Schultz.

    It’s mind boggling.

  96. Donye West says:

    If you could make Purcell disappear, is there a UFA winger left, at his cap hit that would be better suited to 3rd line duty?

  97. spoiler says:

    GCW_69: Sekera does not walk on water.

    “I tode im, we ahreddy gat wan.”

  98. spoiler says:

    Donye West:
    If you could make Purcell disappear, is there a UFA winger left, at his cap hit that would be better suited to 3rd line duty?

    Looking for that very thing right now lol.

  99. Ice Sage says:

    El Duderino: Hear, Hear. Dashing Silver Fox, aka DSF , among other monikers, was finally banned on HF Boards a few years ago. He’s a mean, spiteful soul sowing seeds of discord. Overall he’s got a big minus, a very low corsi, and a miniscule shooting percentage. He revels indisturbingthe shit and inciting the real Oiler fans. He is a huge negative.

    Minuscule shooting percentage? That must be the root of DSF’s try-hardedness!!!!!
    As Shrek would say: ‘Hmm, Don-kay, d’ya think somebody might be overcompensating?’

  100. spoiler says:

    I have to agree with the others on this song. It’s pretty amazing. First time I have ever heard it. Not really my thing but that’s a helluva guitar arrangement. Very unique. Elegant. Smart. So fitting too.

    Have you been sitting on this song long, LT, like the balance picture? It’s a heckuva choice.

    I never in a million years thought they could sign Sekera. Didn’t even let myself hope. Connor Frickin McDavid. Peter Fricken Chiarelli. Todd Frickin McLellan.

    Cred is so necessary. We finally have some cred.

    I’m glad you were right on us getting the Dman. (Although who knows what happens next with this GM?) I am much happier with Sekera over Ward. I love the Letestu pick-up. I think Gordon’s back is questionable and that was a favour, done back by taking Korpikoski. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Gordon miss half a season or something.

    And it’s nice to see them recognize one of the team issues… speed. I wonder how much we will see of Gazdic this year.

    They could go into next season with this roster, plus Nurse, Reinhart, Draisaitl and not worry about a desperate need.

    When was the last time we could say that?

    And its frickin’ July 1. McCanada Day.

    There are tweaks that could be used, sure.

    Dumping a D contract is almost essential.

    Schultz could be improved upon but right now it would likely mean a net outflow of assets. Maybe he can be dealt when the cap crunch forces the hands of GMs as he is a cheaper option than many of his counterparts. Otherwise I’d like to wait and see; hopefully at least he can improve his trade value this year. The diamond PP really hurt his numbers. 0 goals. He gets his goals sneaking down from the point which happens more on the overload. The wristed sifter needs to hit something if it’s sent from the blue line and he didn’t get a bounce all year.

    A better cheaper goalie than Scrivens would be nice. But I am okay with a bounce-back bet. I think they were disappointed they couldn’t keep Bachman, but he could see the writing with regards to playing time.

    A faster version of Purcell. Do that and this team is scary quick up and down the forward lines.

    Either Lander or Letestu are going to be playing with offensive duds and both probably deserve better. Unless Drai makes the team. Which means you can shelter McDavid at the beginning more.

    In terms of EV TOI

    1a. Pouliot-Nuge-Ebs
    1b. Hall-Lander-Drai
    3. Hend-McDavid-Yak
    4. Korpse-Letestu-Purcell
    Klink

    1b. has 3 guys who can take an important face off. Line 3 never has to take one, but has 2 guys, giving them a better chance at starting with possession. Line 3 also has a player who won’t tolerate any monkey business, and be a big presence in the corners and the crease, and actually knows how to play defense. You can double-shift one of the top 2 LWs when you’re behind and need more O.

    If you don’t upgrade Purcell, either with Drai or a trade then you have:

    Pouliot-Nuge-Ebs
    Hall-Lander-Purcell
    Hendrix-McDavid-Yak
    Korpse-Letestu-Klink
    Pitlick

    Hmm… I’d actually like to see Miller get a shot at that role. Either with Lander or put Yak there and Miller with McD. He’s got the speed to keep up. As much as anyone does I mean coz no one really does.

    I’m rambling. I’ll stop now.

  101. Mr DeBakey says:

    GCW_69:
    If Chiarelli had traded 16, 33, and Marincin to Jersey for Larsson instead of new york for Reinhart he would have gotten five stars from me.

    Larsson was an Oil King?

  102. Soup Fascist says:

    “Steve Smith”: There’s a certain bias in this – you remember the times that he was right more, because he brings them each up a couple of times per day.

    I am patiently waiting for his 60 Minnesota Wild home playoff game prediction to come through. He was actually on point on that one. If the Wild (one of the 28 other bandwagons he has been on) makes it to the Cup Final in a mere 5 of the next 7 years …… He nailed it!!

  103. kinger_OIL says:

    Reading the Toronto press this morning re: Kessel, and his take-down by the media…I think Leaf management has realized the market for Phaneuf. If the OIL could get Dion at 85% salary and a bunch of B prospects and a protected draft pick next year (and dare to dream one or two of FSN), then this would be a legitimate playoff team next year…
    Phaneuf – Sekera,
    Fayne – Klef,
    Gryba – Reinhart.
    You have only one “rookie” that you are breaking in, and Nurse and FSN leftovers fighting to get icetime. One really good D away from playoff possible roster….

  104. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Donye West:
    If you could make Purcell disappear, is there a UFA winger left, at his cap hit that would be better suited to 3rd line duty?

    Santorelli, Fehr, or Ward

  105. Kmart99 says:

    I’d take Phaneuf at 85%.

  106. Pouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid: I don’t think Nurse or Klefbom or Reinhart will be as good as either.

    Nurse will be the best of the entire bunch and it won’t be close. Book it.

  107. Professor Q says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Reading the Toronto press this morning re: Kessel, and his take-down by the media…I think Leaf management has realized the market for Phaneuf.If the OIL could get Dion at 85% salary and a bunch of B prospects and a protected draft pick next year (and dare to dream one or two of FSN), then this would be a legitimate playoff team next year…
    Phaneuf – Sekera,
    Fayne – Klef,
    Gryba – Reinhart.
    You have only one “rookie” that you are breaking in, and Nurse and FSN leftovers fighting to get icetime.One really good D away from playoff possible roster….

    What is ‘FSN’?

  108. kinger_OIL says:

    Professor Q,

    FSN = Ferrence, Shultz, Nikitin: it’s an “LT” expression. We have our own “language” it would appear Q!

  109. Kris11 says:

    Nikitin (or Ference, which won’t happen) out and some depth in would be great. That is the last bit to happen.

  110. Surly says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Reading the Toronto press this morning re: Kessel, and his take-down by the media

    A fat joke to open the top article on torontosun.com…classy:

    http://www.torontosun.com/2015/07/01/leafs-were-sick-and-tired-of-kessel

  111. Kmart99 says:

    Pouzar: Nurse will be the best of the entire bunch and it won’t be close. Book it.

    Defensively Nurse could.be right there with Hamilton, but don’t expect Hamilton Level offense. Nurse is tracking to be more of the Phaneuf calibre guy. A #1 on a non playoff team, and a #2 on a playoff team.

  112. Pouzar says:

    Kmart99: Defensively Nurse could.be right there with Hamilton, but don’t expect Hamilton Level offense. Nurse is tracking to be more of the Phaneuf calibre guy. A #1 on a non playoff team, and a #2 on a playoff team.

    Put it to you this way…Nurse will score a lot more than most give him credit for. Did you watch him in the AHL playoffs? 4 games and 4 pts with 2 beautiful primary apples. He was dominant.
    In the NHL, when surrounded by sublime skill those tape to tape passes and furious rushes up the ice will result in a lot more goals. He won’t get the PP time to inflate his numbers but his even strength scoring will be fine. He is just too damn involved in the play for it not to be.

  113. Pouzar says:

    Many have probably already seen this but this Sekera goal is 1 part “WTF” and 2 parts “WOW”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTaF7_Yj4SA

  114. Halfwise says:

    Professor Q: What is ‘FSN’?

    If you are familiar with chequing account problems, you could call them NSF instead.

  115. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    admiralmark,

    I’ve been playing with those numbers myself.It may not be as insurmountable as it seems.

    Looking at just the goals against side of the equation, the Oilers gave up 30 shots per game and carried a league worst .89 sv%.

    If they can improve by one shot per game (call it the TMc effect) and get league average .915 goaltending, the equation becomes:

    29 * 82 * (1 – .915) = 202 goals against.

    That right there is +74 goals.

    To get to a total+90 swing (making for a positive goal differential), they need to score about .2 more goals per game.That would move them from 26th in the league in GF to about 20th in the league.

    You can get there by moving sh% (league low .083) to a still low 0.09, and moving shots per game from a near-league-worst 28.4 to 29, which is still only about 23rd in the league.

    That gets you 29 * 82 * .09 = 214 goals, which is a +21 goal improvement.

    Total = 74 + 21 = 95.Convenient eh?Didn’t even fudge the analysis to get there, just used the shot numbers the Oilers were pulling early last season.

    That’s all it will take.

    One less shot per game and league average goaltending.

    Half a shot more per game and a bottom-of-normal range sh%.

    Looking at SJS’s shots for/against and EDM last year I think it more likely that:

    1) SF/60 goes up more than 1.0
    2) SA/60 goes down 0.5

    Last year SF/60:
    EDM:
    27.24 = 26th in NHL
    SJS
    29.56 = 13th in NHL

    Last year SA/60
    EDM
    29.63 = 23rd in NHL
    SJS
    28.8 = 15th in NHL

    So McL coached SJS to about average for/against last year. Usually he was much higher rated on both metrics and last year was a down year.

    If we can use those rates from his down year as targets a long with league average SV% and league average SH% (all 5v5) then they’d break even on 5v5 GF/GA which represents a +66 Goal diff increase just 5v5.

    Then add in that McL has run the best powerplay in the NHL forever…….

  116. theres oil in virginia says:

    dangilitis: I think the individuals on this site are collectively keeping this small human’s ridiculously large ego in check.

    I hate to say this out loud, but I’m thinking the time has come. I think you’ve got it backwards. You wonder why he’s acting out lately? Well, it tracks back to a few days ago when he and G-Money got into it and G Money effectively shut him down. The nuclear instability went off the charts and hasn’t come back down yet. (I don’t know what the half-life of a DSF atom is, but clearly it’s more than a couple of days.) It’s clear that he has been trying to regain his edge and also take it out against every innocent passer-by since that incident. It’s also clear that he is the type of personality that enjoys getting people worked up and engaging them in a heated discussion. Foxy has a lot to offer to this blog, if he could ever get past this hangup. He certainly knows a lot about hockey, and NHL players, waay more than I do (not that that’s saying a whole lot, but still). Being a contrarian voice is valuable, but don’t confuse that with what we’ve been seeing.

  117. Kmart99 says:

    Pouzar: Put it to you this way…Nurse will score a lot more than most give him credit for.

    This I agree with.

    My concern with his offense is his point shot. It’s the one piece he’s missing.
    Also, I know that most ppl on this site automatically think Nurse should be in Bakersfield this season, but for Elite D, it’s more common to be in the NHL by draft +3 than it is to not be. If he shows he’s ready, I say let fly. Remember the smackdown he laid on Voynov? I do.

  118. Ducey says:

    Kmart99:
    I’d take Phaneuf at 85%.

    That’s all he ever gives.

  119. theres oil in virginia says:

    Pouzar: Nurse will be the best of the entire bunch and it won’t be close. Book it.

    I posted this question back during date night:

    I look for Reinhart to develop into the anchor on the 2nd pair. Does your 2nd best d-man play primarily 2nd pair? I think so. Of the three (Klefbom, Nurse, and Reinhart), is there an anchor for the top pair? Is one of them switching sides?

    You think Nurse will be that? I’m looking forward to seeing more of him, and I suspect that the offense will come with the right linemates.

  120. Pouzar says:

    theres oil in virginia: I posted this question back during date night:You think Nurse will be that? I’m looking forward to seeing more of him, and I suspect that the offense will come with the right linemates.

    I think Nurse will absolutely be a Top pairing D-man. Whether or not he is the free spirit flying roamer or he is coached into a more stay at home type d-man remains to be seen. I hope they don’t coach his roaming ways completely out of his game. His ability to rush up the ice and retreat is what makes him unique. I was stunned at how well he looked transitioning from the “O” to the AHL playoffs. He didn’t alter his style 1 iota and was actually getting pts because of it.

  121. Oddspell says:

    Kmart99: Defensively Nurse could.be right there with Hamilton, but don’t expect Hamilton Level offense. Nurse is tracking to be more of the Phaneuf calibre guy.A #1 on a non playoff team, and a #2 on a playoff team.

    I find that interesting. When I watched him play mcdavid I was impressed by his offensive upside. Obviously a man against boys and he was given the green light to play as a rover but I thought he looked like he had some real offensive instinct.

  122. Kmart99 says:

    theres oil in virginia: I posted this question back during date night:

    You think Nurse will be that?I’m looking forward to seeing more of him, and I suspect that the offense will come with the right linemates.

    I’m confident Nurse can be the #2 Dman on a playoff team. The kind of guy that would be #1 on most non playoff teams, like Petry was for the Oil, or Faulk was for CAR. As the #2 he’d look much better, sort of like:
    Seabrook to Keith.
    Brodie to Gio
    Kronwall to Lidstrom

  123. Jaxon says:

    If, as you mention, they want to try out Nikitin this fall to see what he brings, and Ference has a NMC so will need to retire if they want him off the books, then it may make sense to move a known quantity, like Purcell. I see BUF and NJD as two options with cap space and a need for an NHL RW that has some scoring touch.

    BUF only has Gionta as a true RW (and Ennis, normally a C, plays there sometimes) at the moment and 3 good young prospects. Trade Purcell to BUF for one of their RW prospects: Hudson Fasching (19yrs, probably most coveted of the 3, NHLE 23pts), Justin Bailey (20 yrs, traded to Nurse’s Soo Greyhounds for their run this year, NHLE 29pts), or Nicolas Baptiste (19yrs, traded to McDavid’s Erie Otters for their run this year, NHLE 30pts), or maybe RD Mark Pysyk, a former Oil King who played with Reinhart for 2 years and passed the captaincy to him.

    OR

    Trade Purcell to NJD who only have newly acquired Palmieri and Jordin Tootoo on RW. Purcell to NJD for a RD: Steve Santini (20yrs), Adam Larsson (22yrs) or Damon Severson (20yrs). Most likely, Santini, who many considered their best prospect until Severson lit it on fire this season.

  124. Frank the dog says:

    Pouzar: I think Nurse will absolutely be a Top pairing D-man. Whether or not he is the free spirit flying roamer or he is coached into a more stay at home type d-man remains to be seen. I hope they don’t coach his roaming ways completely out of his game. His ability to rush up the ice and retreat is what makes him unique. I was stunned at how well he looked transitioning from the “O” to the AHL playoffs. He didn’t alter his style 1 iota and was actually getting pts because of it.

    I’m looking forward to duels down the road between Nurse and the top forwards opposing him, including Crosby and the Sedin twins.

  125. G Money says:

    GCW_69: Sekera is a good fit for the Oilers and a big improvement on the left side, but he isn’t better than Hamilton, Gio, and Brodie.

    Is everyone just buying the whole “THREE #1 D” nonsense?

    Can someone please provide objective justification for anointing Brodie a legit 1D?

    I wouldn’t take him over Sekera, not in a million years.

    He did score a ton of points last year, but he did that seemingly like every other Flame – by having a year with a sh% double his career average.

    Meanwhile here’s Brodies 5×5 CF% WITH Giordano: 48.9%

    Here’s Brodie’s 5×5 CF% WITHOUT Giordano: 39.1%

    I recognize that CF% is not a great measure of defenders – though for offensive D like Brodie, it does have some validity.

    Either way – do those numbers scream #1D to anyone? 39.1%? That’s sub-Schultz territory.

    Would you take any of those numbers over Sekera’s?

  126. Rip Fan Winkle says:

    Woodguy,

    If he has to run NSF the puck will be in the Oiler half a lot. Schultz is the wild card but IMO at best he becomes not horrible. He won’t suddenly develop a shot or accurate passing at his age. Really 2 need to move and one PB at worst.

    Kmart99: This I agree with.

    My concern with his offense is his point shot.It’s the one piece he’s missing.
    Also, I know that most ppl on this site automatically think Nurse should be in Bakersfield this season, but for Elite D, it’s more common to be in the NHL by draft +3 than it is to not be.If he shows he’s ready, I say let fly.Remember the smackdown he laid on Voynov? I do.

    This may be true, but D don’t get a lot of clean looks these days. Smart puck movement and positioning are where the points come from these days. I’m sure he can shoot harder than JS.

  127. Kmart99 says:

    Oddspell: I find that interesting. When I watched him play mcdavid I was impressed by his offensive upside. Obviously a man against boys and he was given the green light to play as a rover but I thought he looked like he had some real offensive instinct.

    I took a look at how Nurse’s offense was tracking relative to the top 32 all situations dmen in the NHL at draft +2 and his offense was ranked 20th of 32. Sure he looks to have massive offensive upside but that doesn’t always translate as well is one might think. If you check the comments section of Oilers Nerd Alert, I posted the results there.

    He’s in good company, so 35-45 pts/season in his 2-3 best years is still likely.

  128. Kmart99 says:

    G Money: Is everyone just buying the whole “THREE #1 D” nonsense?

    Can someone please provide objective justification for anointing Brodie a legit 1D?

    I wouldn’t take him over Sekera, not in a million years.

    He did score a ton of points last year, but he did that seemingly like every other Flame – by having a year with a sh% double his career average.

    Meanwhile here’s Brodies 5×5 CF% WITH Giordano: 48.9%

    Here’s Brodie’s 5×5 CF% WITHOUT Giordano: 39.1%

    I recognize that CF% is not a great measure of defenders – though for offensive D like Brodie, it does have some validity.

    Either way – do those numbers scream #1D to anyone?39.1%? That’s sub-Schultz territory.

    Would you take any of those numbers over Sekera’s?

    Brodie is a #2D. He’s been tracking well long before he made the flames roster. I could see Brodie as the #1 in CAR, EDM(I think he’s right there with Sekera), and I’m sure 2-3 other low level D cores.

    His wowy looks bad, but his development history still suggests a #2 dman on most playoff teams I think.

    So CGY has 2 #1s and a #2.

  129. SoxandOil says:

    Pouzar,

    Yup the good ol Red Sox. In spite of the ball game yesterday was a great day.

  130. Ducey says:

    Jaxon:
    If, as you mention, they want to try out Nikitin this fall to see what he brings, and Ference has a NMC so will need to retire if they want him off the books, then it may make sense to move a known quantity, like Purcell. I see BUF and NJD as two options with cap space and a need for an NHL RW that has some scoring touch.

    BUF only has Gionta as a true RW (and Ennis, normally a C, plays there sometimes) at the moment and 3 good young prospects. Trade Purcell to BUF for one of their RW prospects: Hudson Fasching (19yrs, probably most coveted of the 3, NHLE 23pts), Justin Bailey (20 yrs, traded to Nurse’s Soo Greyhounds for their run this year, NHLE 29pts), or Nicolas Baptiste (19yrs, traded to McDavid’s Erie Otters for their run this year, NHLE 30pts), or maybe RD Mark Pysyk, a former Oil King who played with Reinhart for 2 years and passed the captaincy to him.

    OR

    Trade Purcell to NJD who only have newly acquired Palmieri and Jordin Tootoo on RW. Purcell to NJD for a RD: Steve Santini (20yrs), Adam Larsson (22yrs) or Damon Severson (20yrs). Most likely, Santini, who many considered their best prospect until Severson lit it on fire this season.

    Purcell isn’t going to get you another team’s best prospect. He was essentially a salary dump coming here for Gagner and that’s what he would be if he was traded.

    He is a useful player, just too expensive. I look for him to be traded at the trade deadline for a mid round pick.
    ————————
    In other news there are some seriously messed up teams right now.

    TOR is paying $8 million a year for guys who will not play for them.

    CHI has about $1 M in cap room and they need to re-sign Kreuger and find 3 defensemen for that. Doesn’t look like anyone has jumped at the chance to trade for Bickell.

    PIT has $6 M in cap room but only 8 forwards and 1 goalie under contract. They are going to have 2 great lines and 2 AHL lines. Poor Sid, they have run that team into the ground.

    LA has $8 million in cap space but Voynov and Richards likely coming back at a cost of $10 million

  131. PhrankLee says:

    If anyone told me at the beginning of last year that any more than 2 of : Sekera, Letestu, Connor McDavid, Cam Talbot, Eric Gryba, Lauri Korpikoski and Griffin Reinhart would be playing for the Oilers I would have laughed and laughed.

    I am beyond happy with the moves and no small part of it is that moves have actually been made!

    I do not think Chia is even done. We wait? The wait appears to be over. Music? Loud and clear.

    I’m still a bit pissed at the knives that were pulled on GR on trade day. This is a brutal city for knee-jerk reactions. He is a kid and if he was part of our prospect list to begin with we would be as excited or more excited than we have been for Klefbom and Nurse.

    Someone called him the Colton Tubert of the Islanders and that made me so mad I had to stop reading this blog for a couple days. I’m over it now but that was a shitty comment and says more about our fan base than the team or the management.

    The twitter evisceration of GR has slowed but was brutal and unfair. I’m pumped about him in the mix. Grateful and hopeful.

  132. LadiesloveSmid says:

    G Money: Is everyone just buying the whole “THREE #1 D” nonsense?

    Can someone please provide objective justification for anointing Brodie a legit 1D?

    I wouldn’t take him over Sekera, not in a million years.

    He did score a ton of points last year, but he did that seemingly like every other Flame – by having a year with a sh% double his career average.

    Meanwhile here’s Brodies 5×5 CF% WITH Giordano: 48.9%

    Here’s Brodie’s 5×5 CF% WITHOUT Giordano: 39.1%

    I recognize that CF% is not a great measure of defenders – though for offensive D like Brodie, it does have some validity.

    Either way – do those numbers scream #1D to anyone?39.1%? That’s sub-Schultz territory.

    Would you take any of those numbers over Sekera’s?

    His partner when Gio went down was Engelland. 47.7% away from Engelland, 36.4% with.

  133. Kmart99 says:

    When you consider the fact that Nurse is praised as a stay at home defender and one of the most athletic and physical defensemen to come out of major junior in the last 10 years, that’s when you realise how much better than Brodie he will likely end up.

    His coach spoke about giving him the toughest zone starts and competition in the ohl this past season, and Nurse spoke to Gregor about how he stopped getting OZ starts and PP time once Deangelo joined the SOO so he could focus on defense, yet his offensive game is right there with Brodie’s at the same age. Not to overhype Nurse, because I still think Hamilton is a level above him, but I can’t see how Nurse doesn’t pass Brodie within the next 365 days.

  134. G Money says:

    Kmart99,

    Huh, that’s funny, you say he’s ‘tracking well’ but I see the opposite.

    He didn’t make the NHL full-time until his draft+6 year.

    His best scoring year in the OHL draft+2 was comparable to Nurse’s scoring in draft+1.

    By the standards we’re applying to Nurse and to Reinhart, Brodie actually isn’t anything close to a 1D.

    That said, he did have a terrific scoring year but a brutal year actually playing defense. (Hey! Justin Schultz!)

    But anointing him a 1D or even a 2D on that basis strikes me as highly questionable. Nothing about last year looks sustainable for that team.

  135. Kmart99 says:

    PhrankLee,

    The knives pulled on GR were harsh no doubt, but JWillis was the first person to compare GR to Teubert, and his opinions are nothing if not well hought out.

    I’m happy to have GR on the roster. I remember how dominant he was for the Oil Kings and I remember how much worse they were without him, so I fully expect a solid #3-4 dman for many years to come. The concern was that everyone wanted a #1 not a future #3/4.

  136. G Money says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Also
    Russell: 39.5%
    Wideman: 30.3%

    As I said earlier, at least part of the horrendous “away” numbers can be attributed to just how horrible the Calgary D is after the top two guys.

    Small samples all though.

    But still – you’d expect a “#1D” to be able to at least partially cover for a bad partner. The way Petry did for Ference for example. The way Sekera did for all his partners in CAR.

  137. Kmart99 says:

    G Money:
    Kmart99,

    Huh, that’s funny, you say he’s ‘tracking well’ but I see the opposite.

    He didn’t make the NHL full-time until his draft+6 year.

    His best scoring year in the OHL draft+2 was comparable to Nurse’s scoring in draft+1.

    By the standards we’re applying to Nurse and to Reinhart, Brodie actually isn’t anything close to a 1D.

    That said, he did have a terrific scoring year but a brutal year actually playing defense.(Hey!Justin Schultz!)

    But anointing him a 1D or even a 2D on that basis strikes me as highly questionable.Nothing about last year looks sustainable for that team.

    He recorded 56 points in major junior during his draft +2 year, and played 54 NHL games in his draft +4 year.

    I’m not going to heap a ton of praise on Brodie since I am way more fond of Nurse. I also hate defending CGY players and would rather just join the fun, but the games I watched with him and Gio had me convinced be was for real, at least by eye. I think the numbers suggest 31 pts in 82 gp is far more likely than 41, but to say” TJ Brodie is a #2 dman that can play alongside a #1″ is not a stretch, at least I don’t think k so

  138. Really? says:

    kinger_OIL,

    I realize the meaning assigned to FSN. However, having a financial background I always thought in terms of “NSF”. For some reason an NSF cheque has somewhat the same connotation in financial circles as FSN does in Oiler circles (i.e. not good).

  139. Jaxon says:

    Ducey,

    Yes, you’re probably right. Could it work to throw in one of our high draft pick prospects in exchange for one of theirs with Purcell thrown in as a salary dump that could help that team for one year? Say, Pitlick (former 31st overall that battled tough luck and needs a new scene!), or Musil (31st overall with good bloodlines!), or Moroz (32nd overall and huge!)? The prospect-with-‘pedigree’ strategy could help make the trades palatable to the opposing GM and their fans. Plus, looking at the RW UFA market, Purcell may be the best option for teams with cap space who are looking for a RW to produce pts for 1 year while their prospects mature.

    Only Chris Stewart is younger and had more points last year, and I’m sure Stewart may get a bigger contract than Purcell’s 4.5M. St Louis had more points but is 40yrs old and has been on a pretty steady/predictable decline in the last few years and he’ll probably fetch a decent contract that may be in the 2 x 4.5M range too. Joel Ward matched Purcell’s pt totals but is 5 years older and he will be getting close to 4.5M and probably at least 3 years. Erat had 2 fewer points than Purcell and is 4 years older. Stempniak had 6 fewer points and is 3 yrs older. After that, there is a significant drop in RW production on the free agency market. I think you could peak some team’s interest, especially if you throw in another prospect and retain a bit of salary.

    I also think a team like BUF might be able to re-sign Purcell in January as Purcell would recognize that he isn’t stuck behind Eberle and probably Yakupov on the depth chart (I like Pakarinen more too) and BUF has a bright future too. Gionta won’t be playing much longer so it would be Purcell and then some prospects that may or may not turn out on RW.

    Just trying to look for creative and winning ways they might unload Purcell.

  140. PhrankLee says:

    Kmart99: I fully expect a solid #3-4 dman for many years to come.

    If that’s the ceiling you’re giving GR (solid 3-4D) then you’re in for a big, big surprise.

    I cannot believe how many people are expecting 19-20 yr old guys to be #1 NHL D in their first year pro.

    When you have every tool in the box it takes a little longer to emerge.

    JW was looking at the excitement Tubert brought with him to LA. He didn’t pan out because LA thought they could make a purse from a sows ear. They outsmarted themselves.

    GR is a monumental prospect. Was taken too early in the draft? Sure. How many 6’4″ bruising, smart, shot suppressing and positionally gifted 21 yr olds are in the system with his range of skills? In any system? Again, he is 21!!

    As much as we love the draft 16 and 33 were pricey we over value draft picks at this time of year. At the deadline we throw them around like paper cranes.

    I do not accept that because we wanted a #1 D from those picks GR gets totally slayed and shit on. It’s no wonder we have had trouble attracting free agents. What a shit show that was. I’m still embarrassed by it.

  141. Pouzar says:

    SoxandOil: Pouzar, Yup the good ol Red Sox. In spite of the ball game yesterday was a great day.

    Sweet. Been a fan since the early 80’s when I would get the ol Bangor, Maine feed from the Rock.
    Those days I would get the Fri, Sat, and Sunday games. Rarely missed a pitch. I lived and died with every game in those days.

  142. Kmart99 says:

    PhrankLee,

    I never said I expected him to be a #1 in his first year pro.

    But more than half of Elite D men crack the NHL by their draft +3 year, and almost all do it by their draft +4 year. If GR is going to be an elite defenseman, i’d expect he gets t here by his draft +6-7 season. The issue isn’t that i think he’s taking too long, it’s that I don’t think he’s ever going to get there based on his performances in his last two jr years and his first AHL season.

    This isn’t to say that he definitely won’t be an elite top pairing guy, but just that I think it’s unlikely, and that I think his ceiling is a #3 dman on a playoff team. Sort of like a Dennis Seidenberg level guy(stole that comp from G Money, but it seems somewhat fair as a ceiling for Griff I think).

  143. Professor Q says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Professor Q,

    FSN = Ferrence, Shultz, Nikitin: it’s an “LT” expression.We have our own “language” it would appear Q!

    Thank you, Sir! I leave/don’t pay attention for a year and get so far behind…

  144. Магия 10 says:

    Kmart99: The knives pulled on GR were harsh no doubt, but JWillis was the first person to compare GR to Teubert, and his opinions are nothing if not well hought out

    First alright, but before anyone runs away with that stop a minute and ask whatchya talking about Willis? That comparison was strictly about offensive milestones when some folks wanted to use the Drai pick to trade for GR.

    Folks would do well to nuance and review their opinions like he did when he wrote up what he saw when he reviewed GR game tape after the trade.

  145. PhrankLee says:

    Kmart99: Sort of like a Dennis Seidenberg level guy(stole that comp from G Money, but it seems somewhat fair as a ceiling for Griff I think).

    I think you guys are selling the prospect short. The Bruin D line up cannot be compared with the Oilers. It’s almost a different league out here.

    He will pass Nurse. And I love Nurse. GR is not prone to walkabout over reaching but knows when to join the O play. Usually exactly when the opposition thinks he is gonna stay home. I project him as a #1#2 at draft+ 5.

    2017

  146. theres oil in virginia says:

    Магия 10: First alright, but before anyone runs away with that stop a minute and ask whatchya talking about Willis? That comparison was strictly aboutoffensive milestones when some folks wanted to use the Drai pick to trade for GR.

    Folks would do well to nuance and review their opinions like he did when he wrote up what he saw when he reviewed GR game tape after the trade.

    Good post. That’s one of the most frustrating things I found when in engaging in “discussion” about GR – people using an article like JW’s in a way that it was not intended, taking the statements out of context and running with them. It’s dishonest.

  147. theres oil in virginia says:

    Kmart99,
    Pouzar,

    Good posts above RE Nurse and Reinhart.

  148. PhrankLee says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    Pouzar,

    Kmart99,

    I never referenced the JW article. I was referencing posters here and twitter.

    It was embarrassing. Especially here, imo.

  149. theres oil in virginia says:

    PhrankLee:
    theres oil in virginia,

    Pouzar,

    Kmart99,

    I never referenced the JW article. I was referencing posters here and twitter.

    It was embarrassing.Especially here, imo.

    Sorry bro, it wasn’t you. I didn’t realize that could be implied from what I said, or I would have rephrased. No, it was folks trashing GR by misrepresenting the JW article over the weekend. Frustrating and didn’t feel like they were interested in an honest discussion.

  150. PhrankLee says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    This is, beyond a doubt, the best blog in hockey.

    LT, your place is the standard, thanks.

  151. raventalon40 says:

    PhrankLee:
    If anyone told me at the beginning of last year that any more than 2 of : Sekera, Letestu, Connor McDavid, Cam Talbot, Eric Gryba, Lauri Korpikoski and Griffin Reinhart would be playing for the Oilers I would have laughed and laughed.

    I am beyond happy with the moves and no small part of it is that moves have actually been made!

    I do not think Chia is even done. We wait? The wait appears to be over. Music? Loud and clear.

    I’m still a bit pissed at the knives that were pulled on GR on trade day. This is a brutal city for knee-jerk reactions. He is a kid and if he was part of our prospect list to begin with we would be as excited or more excited than we have been for Klefbom and Nurse.

    Someone called him the Colton Tubert of the Islanders and that made me so mad I had to stop reading this blog for a couple days.I’m over it now but that was a shitty comment and says more about our fan base than the team or the management.

    The twitter evisceration of GR has slowed but was brutal and unfair.I’m pumped about him in the mix. Grateful and hopeful.

    Well said. If he ends up like a Janne Niinimaa or a Roman Hamrlik lite, I’ll be happy

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