HERE’S YOUR HAT, WHAT’S YOUR HURRY?

Peter Chiarelli is the General Manager of the Edmonton Oilers and many of the players who were here before he arrived are (for the most part) on borrowed time. We talked about ‘Chiarelli’s men‘ the other day and they include the seven players he brought in (Talbot, Reinhart, Gryba, Sekera, Letestu, Korpikoski, Nilsson) plus Connor McDavid and the other draft picks (Jones, Bear, Marino, Svoboda and Paigin). There’s also the ‘keeper group’ (my guess is Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Draisaitl, Pouliot, Klefbom, Fayne, Nurse) and a few bubbling under contracts who have shown value like Laurent Brossoit, Bogdan Yakimov, Greg Chase and Anton Slepyshev.

Is there a group of outcasts? Players extremely unlikely to be here in a year? My guess, is yes.

50-MAN LIST

  1. G Cam Talbot (No. 1, bona fide with an explanation)
  2. G Ben Scrivens (He’ll need to prove himself in a big way)
  3. G Anders Nilsson (New G, adds to competition, pushes Scrivens)
  4. G Laurent Brossoit (AHL starter could be future No. 1)
  5. G Eetu Laurikainen (A great damn bet, we don’t know much yet)
  6. D Andrej Sekera (A cornerstone addition to a defense that must improve)
  7. D Mark Fayne (A big part of next year’s team, he’ll face tough opposition)
  8. D Oscar Klefbom (The first electric blue through the door in simply ages)
  9. D Justin Schultz (newly qualified, he has a lot to prove this year)
  10. D Nikita Nikitin (I’m not sure he makes through THIS summer)
  11. D Eric Gryba (Third pairing addition, he can play defense)
  12. D Andrew Ference (Erosion looks nearly complete)
  13. D Brandon Davidson (Waiver eligible, may not be room)
  14. D Griffin Reinhart (A strong TC could mean some expensive waiver options)
  15. D Darnell Nurse (He’s a bubble D now, I’m betting he puts it all to rest at TC)
  16. D Brad Hunt (Last chance Texaco? Or a new beginning?)
  17. D David Musil (Reinhart’s addition may make Musil’s presence moot)
  18. D Jordan Oesterle (He could flourish under McLellan)
  19. D Dillon Simpson (Still working, suspect he gets full entry-level deal)
  20. D Martin Gernat (In the worst spot of any roster player. Prospect orphan)
  21. D Ben Betker (He has a nice combination of skills)
  22. D Joey Laleggia (His skills are somewhat unique, could blossom in Bakersfield)
  23. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (Fantastic player, love the Nuge)
  24. C Connor McDavid (Franchise)
  25. C Anton Lander (Very important season in his career)
  26. C Mark Letestu (Strong option at C, he can play other positions)
  27. C Leon Draisaitl (Willing to play the wing, and that could get him to the NHL in the fall)
  28. C Bogdan Yakimov (Can’t wait for McLellan and Chiarelli to see the earth mover)
  29. C Jujhar Khaira (Big man needs to show offense or could be gone)
  30. C Kyle Platzer (New pro has two-way skills)
  31. L Taylor Hall (Impact player could go super nova)
  32. L Benoit Pouliot (Vital to the club’s overall look. Big, strong, good)
  33. L Lauri Korpikoski (Fast winger with experience, two-way skills. Mentor)
  34. L Matt Hendricks (May see minutes on skill line)
  35. L Luke Gazdic (McLellan uses this player type)
  36. L Ryan Hamilton (Chiarelli may prefer his own AHL mentor)
  37. L Anton Slepyshev (Big opportunity, coach has no memory of any of the bubbling under)
  38. L Mitch Moroz (McLellan will be impressed with size/speed combination)
  39. L Kale Kessy (If that speed spike last year was no fluke, he’ll be a factor)
  40. R Jordan Eberle (They need two more like him)
  41. R Nail Yakupov  (He’s still here! Now, where to put him?)
  42. R Teddy Purcell (In this case, LACK of speed kills)
  43. R Rob Klinkhammer (Effective 4R, doesn’t bring enough offense though)
  44. R Tyler Pitlick (Newly qualified, needs to stay healthy)
  45. R Iiro Pakarinen (He should be working out like a bandit, with TC impact his goal)
  46. R Andrew Miller (He’s in a nice spot on this roster: Inexpensive and skilled)
  47. R Greg Chase (Guaranteed to get noticed early and often. Has the potential to surprise)

That’s a baker’s dozen who should be viewing this season as a vital one in terms of their Oilers’ future. I wouldn’t be surprised to see two or three of those names (Gernat, Nikitin) to be taken care off/playing in Europe this fall.

 A LITTLE MORE ON JOHN MARINOmarino capture

  • The Black Book: He’s a strong, smooth skater with good lateral movement and ability to rush the puck up ice. His gap control is underrated and he has a very good stick. He’s a possession defender than can carry the puck, hold on to it and keep opposing forwards to the perimeter.
  • ISS: Good two-way defender who shows upside in all situations and a work ethic to improve his game.
  • Future Consderations: Marino is a mobile, offensive-minded defenseman. In any of the three zones, he loves the puck on his stick. In his own zone, he likes to rush the puck and while he moves well, he is more effective passing the puck up the ice as he sees the ice well and hits his teammates in stride.

I was impressed with Marino’s overall game from the orientation camp:

 

  • D John Marino: Showed some nice flashes offensively, good speed and a nice shot. Got involved physically, too. You could see his age being a slight issue, but overall a nice job. Source

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SPOTLIGHT ON ANDREW MILLER

If we look at that RW depth chart above, there’s no spot for Miller. Eberle will take the lion’s share of the skill minutes, with Purcell and Yakupov fighting over the rest. Klinkhammer, Pitlick and Pakarinen are in the mop up roles (well one of them) and Miller is down the road in Bakersfield (after clearing waivers, and that may not happen).

There is a significant ‘other side of the coin’ here and the Oilers may look at Miller as a substantial option. He’s not a big man, but is smart, skilled and has speed. The Oilers will be looking for complementary players who can flourish with their impact forwards, and they’ll also be looking for value contracts (Miller’s deal is for $630,000) that help with the cap. He has become an attractive option and when Peter Chiarelli and Todd McLellan are evaluating who to keep at the end of TC, Miller’s ability to replace (say) a Teddy Purcell while also being $4M cheaper is going to be a significant positive. It may cost Rob Klinkhammer his job.

Corey Pronman: The 24 year old center is a classic small, skilled college player. Miller displays above-average qualities in terms of his speed, puck skills and overall offensive instincts. In his Senior season especially he showed the ability to consistently create scoring chances and keep the play flowing in the right direction.

He is now a 26 year old winger and has a real chance at the NHL. I think he’ll see both Bakersfield and Edmonton and he could get plucked on waivers.

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157 Responses to "HERE’S YOUR HAT, WHAT’S YOUR HURRY?"

  1. Bad Seed says:

    That group, more or less, should be outcasts no matter who the gm is.

  2. Pajamah says:

    Liked Marino in the Billy Moores Cup. Must have said or done something to get Christoffer off his game as he took a roughing call on Marino. Otherwise, he played a simple, controlled game, and didn’t make any shinny errors.

    And not that I dislike Purcell, but I’d rather see Miller replace him than Colonel Klink.

  3. Lowetide says:

    Pajamah:
    Liked Marino in the Billy Moores Cup. Must have said or done something to get Christoffer off his game as he took a roughing call on Marino. Otherwise, he played a simple, controlled game, and didn’t make any shinny errors.

    And not that I dislike Purcell, but I’d rather see Miller replace him than Colonel Klink.

    I was right in front of that exchange. There was a battle, then a whistle, with Christoffer clearly surprised by Marino’s push back. They shoved, but the older player’s last shove had some real fire to it, that’s why he got the penalty.

  4. wheatnoil says:

    I can tell already I’m going to have a hard time telling apart Bear, Marino and Jones because their scouting reports sound somewhat similar.

    Am I right in this?

    Bear = WHL
    Jones = USHL going to WHL
    Marino = NCAA

  5. Gret99zky says:

    It will be interesting to see what Chia decides to do with TCAF.

  6. Lowetide says:

    wheatnoil:
    I can tell already I’m going to have a hard time telling about Bear, Marino and Jones because their scouting reports sound somewhat similar.

    Am I right in this?

    Bear = WHL
    Jones = USHL going to WHL
    Marino = NCAA

    Yes. I think visually it’s easier to tell the difference. Bear is more tank like, barrel chest type physically. Marino looks to have that projectable body scouts talk about and Jones also seems like he’d be able to pack on more weight.

    They all have puck skills, that’s for sure.

  7. Richard S.S. says:

    You do very good work LT and are extremely patient with everyone. Your Podcasts are great for being hugely more entertaining than Music at work. Your Saturday Sports Extra podcast have stopped being loaded in June of last year, so it’s harder to listen to. I can’t comment on your Sunday Show because between listening/watching Soccer and watching oil plant dry, the paint is more fun.

    I just can’t wait to see what’s next.

  8. Sevenseven says:

    Brad Hunt is a tweener with chaos d.I can see why his name would be cut from the list.

  9. wheatnoil says:

    Sevenseven:
    Brad Hunt is a tweener with chaos d.I can see why his name would be cut from the list.

    He’ll also be 27 once the season starts. He either makes it now or they keep him around on an AHL contract as a veteran D to mentor the kids coming in.

  10. Ducey says:

    Gernat might be the Cam Abney thrown in a trade.

    If EDM isn’t able to track down a defenseman. I wonder if they should help out CHI by trading Gernat for Bickell and a prospect/ mid round pick.

    Adding Bickell would give TMc more flexibility with his lineup (Bickell can play a little bit on the PP and on skill like every once and a while) and could serve the role of Gazdic or Klinkhammer or take the spot that Pak or PiT will be fighting over.

    I would think Gazdic has some trade value.

    Bickell doesn’t skate as well as Gazdic but has better hands and is a better hitter.

    Bickell likely would have some value at the deadline.

    So for the cost of Gernat, next year you have the pick/ prospect traded with Bickell, the return for Gazdic, and the return for Bickell at the deadline.

  11. jimmers2 says:

    wheatnoil,

    Whatever his age or possibility that he is picked up on waivers, I should think that Hunt is of interest on the farm, at least so that young players who figure to become roster players can learn how to work with a power play that features an NHL-quality point shot.

  12. Numenius says:

    Woodguy, this is a response to something you said in the Griffin thread.

    Woodguy: For the record I don’t hate the trade or the player, just wished they had filled a hole rather than adding to the abundance of LHD.

    Maybe he’ll trade from that abundance to fill the RHD hole now?

    Whom would you suggest trading? And for whom?

    I’m terrible at judging these things, and I had a dud proposal the other day, but I can’t stop wondering if it might be possible to get Burns from San Jose.

    The team is supposed to be a contender this year, and Burns no doubt is supposed to be a big part of that, but they’re up against the cap (70M) and they’re at 22 on their roster, with 1 defenseman left to add. Rumours are that they’re looking outside for another D, maybe in free agency, but they’re hard-pressed to sign someone because cap.

    So here’s my proposal: Burns for Klefbom (adjusting picks, prospects for either side as needed).

    Why San Jose does it: Klef is already quite solidly a top 4 D with top 2 upside and has a very low cap hit this year, so he could help contend now for very little money. He’s still a bit of a risk, because there’s no guarantee he reaches his upside, but he’s under control for 5 more years, and the deal would free up about 4.5M to make it possible for SJ to sign someone like Franson to fill the new hole on right side. So SJ gets its extra top 4 D for a steal of a cap hit and replaces Burns with a Burns-light in Franson. Not sure if that’d be attractive enough for them, but there you have it.

    Why Edmonton does it: Losing the Dreamy one would leave a big hole on the top 4 left side for the present and mortgages the upside in his future for help on RD today. But they have a lot of depth on LD poised to break out in the very near future (Reinhart, Nurse, Davidson), plus they’re paying Nikitin anyway who would no doubt like a chance to prove he can play a top 4 role. I also still have concerns about Klef’s being injury prone and think it’d be worth trading him while his value is high. By adding Burns, on the other hand, they fill a huge hole on their RD that has no depth. It would immediately push Schultz to bottom pairing and may even make him redundant, and it would take the pressure off of Fayne. Plus, we know Burns wants to play for MacLellan, so after 2 more years of a reasonable 5.76M for a top 2-3 D, he’ll likely be open to signing again for something still somewhat reasonable. Or if not, you can let him go if you find another solution, and all before McDavid’s ELC ends.

    So then things look like:
    Sekera-Burns
    Nikitin-Fayne
    Reinhart-Gryba/Schultz
    Nurse/Davidson/Ference

    It’s still not solid in the Top 4, but it does give an excellent opportunity for any of Nikitin, Reinhart, or Nurse to grab the open LD job. And with that group I’d say it’s likely that at least one of them will.

    Please set me straight, though, if I’m way off base.

  13. hunter1909 says:

    I can imagine Marino quarterbacking the power play.

  14. Hammers says:

    I don’t understand why you feel Purcell and Yak would be fighting over minutes when you compare them both . Yak is faster , younger , cheaper with more upside than Purcell . The only thing is Yak would have more trade value BUT if he starts the way he finished last year its a no brainer .Keep Yak The real question is keep Yak or Miller but I say dump Purcell now and keep both .

  15. speeds says:

    Numenius:

    So here’s my proposal: Burns for Klefbom (adjusting picks, prospects for either side as needed).

    I don’t think Burns is signed long enough, and even if he will re-sign, he’ll be 32 at that time and likely to be overpaid on his next deal, IMO.

  16. frjohnk says:

    Continuation from the last thread.

    In The Hockey News Future Watch 2015 Griffin Reinhart was ranked the 13th best NHL prospect and the 2nd best D prospect.

    How does The Hockey News come up with their list?

    They canvass scouts from every NHL team and ask them to project five to 10 years out on the best players in the system league-wide.

    So the consensus of the NHL scouts is that Griffin Reinhart is still one heckuva prospect and will track to be a stud d man.

  17. Electronic Dance Music oilers says:

    It will be interesting to see how Miller slots into the line-up if/when injuries. McDavid could make him a rich man.

  18. knighttown says:

    If you look at draft position as a proxy for talent and talent as a proxy for potential, has there ever, in modern times, been a team with more potential than the late teens Edmonton Oilers? If you go by top 9 forwards and top 4 defense (next year say)

    McDavid- 1
    Hall- 1
    RNH- 1
    Yakupov- 1
    Draisatl- 3
    Reinhart- 4
    Pouliot- 4
    Nurse- 7
    Klefbom- 19
    Korpikoski- 19
    Eberle- 22
    Lander- 40
    Sekera- 71

    – 7/13 guys drafted in the top 5
    -11/13 guys drafted in the top 25

    And all except Pouliot and Korpi are trending to their draft position…these aren’t Gilbert Brules or Sam Gagners who have nothing except draft pedigree.

    It’s a total of 193 when you add total draft positions.

    Now, the team may never reach .500 and I maintain that the timing is wrong in the worst era for stars in NHL history (read Friedman’s take) however, it should be acknowledged that this is one hell of a collection of talent.

  19. judgedrude says:

    It will be different here though:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcwJt4bcnXs

  20. Lowetide says:

    Hammers:
    I don’t understand why you feel Purcell and Yak would be fighting over minutes when you compare them both . Yak is faster , younger , cheaper with more upside than Purcell . The only thing is Yak would have more trade value BUT if he starts the way he finished last year its a no brainer .Keep Yak The real question is keep Yak or Miller but I say dump Purcell now and keep both .

    The issue with Yakupov is where does he fit? He’s a raw player w/o the puck and that’s an issue. In determining how he rolls into this year’s lineup, his ideal C isn’t guaranteed a roster spot and it LOOKS like he might be moved to RW—Nail’s position.

  21. godot10 says:

    Numenius:
    Woodguy, this is a response to something you said in the Griffin thread.

    The team is supposed to be a contender this year, and Burns no doubt is supposed to be a big part of that, but they’re up against the cap (70M) and they’re at 22 on their roster, with 1 defenseman left to add. Rumours are that they’re looking outside for another D, maybe in free agency, but they’re hard-pressed to sign someone because cap.

    So here’s my proposal: Burns for Klefbom (adjusting picks, prospects for either side as needed).

    Why San Jose does it: Klef is already quite solidly a top 4 D with top 2 upside and has a very low cap hit this year, so he could help contend now for very little money. He’s still a bit of a risk, because there’s no guarantee he reaches his upside, but he’s under control for 5 more years, and the deal would free up about 4.5M to make it possible for SJ to sign someone like Franson to fill the new hole on right side. So SJ gets its extra top 4 D for a steal of a cap hit and replaces Burns with a Burns-light in Franson. Not sure if that’d be attractive enough for them, but there you have it.

    Why Edmonton does it: Losing the Dreamy one would leave a big hole on the top 4 left side for the present and mortgages the upside in his future for help on RD today. But they have a lot of depth on LD poised to break out in the very near future (Reinhart, Nurse, Davidson), plus they’re paying Nikitin anyway who would no doubt like a chance to prove he can play a top 4 role. I also still have concerns about Klef’s being injury prone and think it’d be worth trading him while his value is high. By adding Burns, on the other hand, they fill a huge hole on their RD that has no depth. It would immediately push Schultz to bottom pairing and may even make him redundant, and it would take the pressure off of Fayne. Plus, we know Burns wants to play for MacLellan, so after 2 more years of a reasonable 5.76M for a top 2-3 D, he’ll likely be open to signing again for something still somewhat reasonable. Or if not, you can let him go if you find another solution, and all before McDavid’s ELC ends.

    The Oilers do not have a problem at right D.

    Sekera can play both sides.

    Klefbom was the best defensemen at his World Junior Championships playing the right side. He played right D on the first pairing for Sweden at the recent World Championships.

    Reinhart can play both sides.

    Nurse can play both sides

    Musil can play both sides, and plays predominantly RD in the AHL

    Davidson can play both sides, and plays predominantly RD in the AHL>

    Plus Fayne, Schultz, and Gryba.

    The Canadiens dynasty, the Oilers dynasty, and the Islanders dynasty were lopsided with left shot D.

    Even the Detroit Red Wings and New Jersey Devils of the nineties and early naughts have more left shot D than right shot D.

    Having good defensemen is far more important than the handedness of defensemen. When one is Team Canada choosing from an abundance of riches, one can be obsessive compulsive about handedness. For an NHL team, it is nuts to do so.

    The qualities a D needs are skating, mobility, and passing ability, and these more than outweigh trivialities like handedness.

  22. Drew says:

    godot10: The Oilers do not have a problem at right D.

    The Canadiens dynasty, the Oilers dynasty, and the Islanders dynasty were lopsided with left shot D.

    Even the Detroit Red Wings and New Jersey Devils of the nineties and early naughts have more left shot D than right shot D.

    Having good defensemen is far more important than the handedness of defensemen.When one is Team Canada choosing from an abundance of riches, one can be obsessive compulsive about handedness.For an NHL team, it is nuts to do so.

    The qualities a D needs are skating, mobility, and passing ability, and these more than outweigh trivialities like handedness.

    Very good points… I believe people get hung up on labels (e.g. LHD vs RHD, 1 D, etc.). Get good players and then keep good players, adjust when opportunities present themselves. Means, win the transaction do not force the transaction pursuing some preconceived notion of optimal asset mix.

  23. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Numenius:

    Why San Jose does it: Klef is already quite solidly a top 4 D with top 2 upside and has a very low cap hit this year, so he could help contend now for very little money. He’s still a bit of a risk, because there’s no guarantee he reaches his upside, but he’s under control for 5 more years, and the deal would free up about 4.5M to make it possible for SJ to sign someone like Franson to fill the new hole on right side. So SJ gets its extra top 4 D for a steal of a cap hit and replaces Burns with a Burns-light in Franson. Not sure if that’d be attractive enough for them, but there you have it.

    So then things look like:
    Sekera-Burns
    Nikitin-Fayne
    Reinhart-Gryba/Schultz
    Nurse/Davidson/Ference

    How about Edmonton clears some room to sign Franson and fill a hole on the right side?

    Sekera-Fayne
    Klefbom-Franson

    is a top 4 I’d be comfortable with for the time being, rotation of Nurse/Reinhart/Gryba/whoever’s left through the bottom pair

  24. Numenius says:

    godot10: The qualities a D needs are skating, mobility, and passing ability, and these more than outweigh trivialities like handedness.

    I agree with this in general, but you seem to be making handedness a little too trivial.

    godot10: Having good defensemen is far more important than the handedness of defensemen.

    Burns right now at least is a better D than Klefbom and fills a bigger hole (scoring top D), so even ignoring handedness completely, it could be a good move.

    The Oil have to contend now in McDavid’s ELC. The clock’s ticking.

  25. Death By Misadventure says:

    I’ve been thinking about Teddy lately and the fact that he’s got the same contract as Nikitin.

    If you live by the mantra that “you can’t have enough defensemen”, it is Purcell who’s the odd man out and should be bought out. Not Nikitin.

    Sure Nikitin was terrible, but as LT said, he could be replaced on the cheap by guys like Miller and others like Klink, Korpikoski, Iro etc etc.

    Nikitin can be the 7 or 8 D and draw in as needed when injuries strike.

  26. Numenius says:

    LadiesloveSmid: How about Edmonton clears some room to sign Franson and fill a hole on the right side?

    The problem with Franson is a combination of term and ability. You’d have to sign him past McDavid’s ELC and he’s not good enough to keep long-term. Burns likely is, plus you have 2 years to make that decision.

  27. pts2pndr says:

    Godot10
    I do agree that the left right importance is overstated however making a pass from your strong side /dominant side is easier to make accurately. A wrist shot off the boards and out is also easier than a back hand which is more likely to go over the glass! Love your comments and insight!

  28. Clay says:

    Our loveable Gino Principe will certainly have a wealth of new material available if Marino ever gets to the point where he’s quarterbacking the powerplay.

  29. McSorley33 says:

    frjohnk,

    In The Hockey News Future Watch 2015 Griffin Reinhart was ranked the 13th best NHL prospect and the 2nd best D prospect.
    How does The Hockey News come up with their list?
    They canvass scouts from every NHL team and ask them to project five to 10 years out on the best players in the system league-wide.
    So the consensus of the NHL scouts is that Griffin Reinhart is still one heckuva prospect and will track to be a stud d man.
    ********************************************************
    Great post……love this kind of info.

    It does make me feel better when other organizations view a player in a similar way …

  30. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Numenius: The problem with Franson is a combination of term and ability. You’d have to sign him past McDavid’s ELC and he’s not good enough to keep long-term. Burns likely is, plus you have 2 years to make that decision.

    if you can sign him to say 5Mx5, why not?

    you pointed out the need for a scoring D

    I’d rather have Klefbom+Franson at 5×5 than Burns

    Burns is the Seabrook problem all over again. What deal does he get when his contract it up? Age doesn’t fit well with the core. Won’t compete for a cup in the next 2 years.

  31. godot10 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: How about Edmonton clears some room to sign Franson and fill a hole on the right side?

    You don’t fill a hole by digging a deeper one.

  32. Electronic Dance Music oilers says:

    Numenius,

    Franson will still have some trade value though unless he’s signed to a ridiculously bad contract

  33. Drew says:

    pts2pndr:
    Godot10
    I do agree thatthe left right importance is overstated howevermaking a pass from your strong side /dominant side is easier to make accurately. A wrist shot off the boards and out is also easier than a back hand which is more likely to go over the glass! Love your comments and insight!

    For discussion sake, if there are more LHD available (I believe this is true more players in general are left handed), then the pool of talented LHD is larger? If all teams are trying to fill RHD roles, would the team that says it will not pursue this operating model but pursues the most talented D-men in general then gain an advantage of collecting the most talented group. Something like, taking advantage of a market inefficiency?

    would this outweigh the small functional efficiencies you mention?

  34. jonrmcleod says:

    Lowetide: Yes. I think visually it’s easier to tell the difference. Bear is more tank like, barrel chest type physically.

    Couldn’t you just say he’s built more like a bear?

  35. Bruce McCurdy says:

    godot10: Having good defensemen is far more important than the handedness of defensemen. When one is Team Canada choosing from an abundance of riches, one can be obsessive compulsive about handedness. For an NHL team, it is nuts to do so.

    The qualities a D needs are skating, mobility, and passing ability, and these more than outweigh trivialities like handedness.

    Just finished making a similar point on the Reinhart thread. A good driver can transition to English roads even though some aspects of them are backwards.

  36. McSorley33 says:

    godot10,

    The Oilers do not have a problem at right D.
    Sekera can play both sides.
    Klefbom was the best defensemen at his World Junior Championships playing the right side. He played right D on the first pairing for Sweden at the recent World Championships.
    Reinhart can play both sides.
    Nurse can play both sides
    Musil can play both sides, and plays predominantly RD in the AHL
    Davidson can play both sides, and plays predominantly RD in the AHL>
    ************************************************************************
    Great point…

    And I will repeat again….Paul Maurice has said the same thing here in Winnipeg. Young guys can learn to play the wrong side.

  37. Lowetide says:

    jonrmcleod: Couldn’t you just say he’s built more like a bear?

    I was working on my creative writing!

  38. pts2pndr says:

    Numenius,

    Re burns. Defenseman unlike red wine do not improve with age and tend to have their performance deteriorate rather rapidly aft 34. We need defense who are peaking in 3/4 years which shud be the start of a window for peak team performance and challenging for Lord Stanley/holy grail.

  39. Bruce McCurdy says:

    I remember when the ’90 Oilers wound up pairing Randy Gregg with Charlie Huddy, and the question became which one of them would have to make the transition to the left side. Which was in fact the “natural” side for both players, who had both Excelled at right defence for years.

    For the record, Huddy made the switch. Seamlessly. 22-21 was one of the most efficient defence pairs I’ve ever seen.

  40. bsmart says:

    frjohnk: Continuation from the last thread.In The Hockey News Future Watch 2015 Griffin Reinhart was ranked the 13th best NHL prospect and the 2nd best D prospect.How does The Hockey News come up with their list?They canvass scouts from every NHL team and ask them to project five to 10 years out on the best players in the system league-wide.So the consensus of the NHL scouts is that Griffin Reinhart is still one heckuva prospect and will track to be a stud d man.

    That is a high ranking. I’m part of the saw him good crowd. He was dominant in the WHL and controlled the play. He is a 2 way defenseman with the better part of his game coming in his own zone. He has a fluid stride. He does not appear quick because he does not skate in bursts, his feet are always moving. When the games were on the line in playoffs, memorial cup, and world juniors Reinhart appeared to be at his best.

    This might not translate to the NHL but it shows promise.

  41. LadiesloveSmid says:

    godot10: You don’t fill a hole by digging a deeper one.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/playing-hardball-with-franson-will-cost-leafs/

    He might be Edmonton’s best right shot D. Top 4 D that is quality on the PP. Basically what we’re hoping for Schultz to be right? But more physical?

    I understand the arguments against him, but positives outweigh the negatives imo

  42. pts2pndr says:

    Drew,

    Absolutely I was merely trying to point out why totally disregarding LH vs RH has it’s drawbacks!Skill always trumps everything else !

  43. Ducey says:

    Numenius: I. Burns right now at least is a better D than Klefbom and fills a bigger hole (scoring top D), so even ignoring handedness completely, it could be a good move.The Oil have to contend now in McDavid’s ELC. The clock’s ticking.

    Even with a Burns for Klefbom trade, how would EDM be considered “contenders” this year? My definition of contenders doesn’t include barely making the playoffs and being first round fodder.

    I guess its the same world where Dallas would trade their best defenseman for an up and coming defenseman.

    I get that McDavid will get paid when his ELC is done, but it doesn’t mean that the Oilers need to pull out all the stops to get supporting veteran players this season. He won’t be good enough, and neither will the supporting cast.

    All that is going to do is make sure that the Oilers won’t be good enough when Connor is good enough. They won’t have the cap room.

    In 3 years (when McDavid will be stronger, be better defensively, have learned faceoffs, and generally be a great player) Burns will be 33 and starting to decline. Klefbom will be 24 and entering his prime. Klefbom will be cheaper (still in his RFA years). Maybe 3 or 4 million a year cheaper.

    If the Oilers want to be actual contenders in 3 years, they need to be patient and smart. Running around dealing off young future cornerstone players like Klefbom for the here and now is neither.

  44. Pouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    I remember when the ’90 Oilers wound up pairing Randy Gregg with Charlie Huddy, and the question became which one of them would have to make the transition to the left side. Which was in fact the “natural” side for both players, who had both Excelled at right defence for years.

    For the record, Huddy made the switch. Seamlessly. 22-21 was one of the most efficient defence pairs I’ve ever seen.

    They were beauties. It’s a point (no pun intended) that needs to be made more. Certain defensemen prefer playing their “non-natural” sides while others couldn’t care less which side they play. Reinhart, Nurse, and Klefbom have all played the right side. A non-issue for me.

  45. pts2pndr says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Hi Bruce love your work but that was before over the glass was a penalty! ( wild hysterical laughter ).

  46. Drew says:

    pts2pndr:
    Drew,

    Absolutely I was merely trying to point outwhy totally disregardingLH vs RH has it’s drawbacks!Skill always trumps everything else !

    I wonder what direction NHL teams pursue, RHD vs LHD balance or most talented group available.

    Looking at historical results, seems like get most talented group wins the day, this would suggest leave Franson alone and continue on the path the Oilers are on?

  47. Bruce McCurdy says:

    pts2pndr:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    Hi Bruce love your work but that was before overthe glass was a penalty! ( wild hysterical laughter ).

    Well that changes everything.

    I wonder if anybody has ever counted how many puck-over-glass penalties come on backhand vs. forehand clearing shots. It likely makes a small difference, but I’d be surprised if it would be more than one or two penalties a year difference for a given player on the “wrong” side, if that.

    PS: Thanks!

  48. Bag of Pucks says:

    Eakins was obsessed with LD vs RD and usage based on ‘handedness.’

    That tells me it’s probably the wrong thing to obsess about.

    To be fair, you don’t want to be ‘chopping wood’ with the wrong hand.

  49. pts2pndr says:

    Pouzar,

    If you are challenging a a defenseman playing the right you will come fom his left protecting the underbelly center of the ice a left shot D has to come across his body to move the puck the right shot has his body between u and the puck and has more options! Humans are adaptable! The point I am trying to make is all things being equal experience talent there is an advantage RH playing right side!.

  50. Woogie63 says:

    If we dip into UFA again this season, I hope it is for short term 1-2 years. I don’t see anyone left in that pool that will FOR SURE make us even 15 points better than last year.

    At this point I would not buy out anyone …just ride it out

  51. Pouzar says:

    pts2pndr:
    Pouzar,

    If you are challenging aa defenseman playing the right you will come fom hisleft protecting the underbelly center of the ice a left shotD has to come across his body to move thepuck the right shot has his body between u and the puck and has more options! Humans are adaptable! The point I am trying to make is all things being equal experience talentthere is anadvantage RH playing right side!.

    I think I said some defensemen prefer playing their “wrong” side.

  52. pts2pndr says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Sorry Bruce just trying for humour but obviously failed,! We experienced an amazing team during a very heady time! I can only imagine , had money not been a deciding factor, how great that team could have been! I live in B.C. now but I will always be an Oiler fan and I have fond memories of my time as an Edmontonian!

  53. Магия 10 says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    I remember when the ’90 Oilers wound up pairing Randy Gregg with Charlie Huddy, and the question became which one of them would have to make the transition to the left side. Which was in fact the “natural” side for both players, who had both Excelled at right defence for years.

    For the record, Huddy made the switch. Seamlessly. 22-21 was one of the most efficient defence pairs I’ve ever seen.

    Not sure which side is the natural side when handedness correlates to when you pick up the hockey stick. It’s more about demonstrated record of skill on each side,

  54. Numenius says:

    Ducey: Even with a Burns for Klefbom trade, how would EDM be considered “contenders” this year?

    I wasn’t thinking this year, but the next 2 years. This year would be more of a development year and Burns would help with that transition.

    A bit of a wrench in that plan is that Burns’ contract ends before the 3rd year, and re-signing him might be too rich. On the other hand, Nurse and Reinhart and other prospects may have bloomed by then and he doesn’t need signing. You may also have a nice choice of free agents or trades to upgrade things. Yak’s new contract, for example, might have trouble fitting under the cap and so you could trade him for a younger up and coming stud D (assuming Yak flourishes in the next 2 years).

    A big hesitation in all this: Am I overvaluing Burns?

    Some media were questioning if Burns even should be in SJ’s top 4 last year, due to defensive issues.

    His GA/60, for example, was fairly high at 2.62.

    I checked the fancies and they didn’t seem too bad. Playing 2nd comp and medium zone starts 5×5, he had 53.43 FF%, 3.99FF%Rel, 40.75 FA/60, which was slightly better than Vlasic (FF% 51.40 FF%Rel 1.75, FA/60 40.83.), who of course played the toughs with tough zone starts.

    His high danger scoring chances against/60 were a bit high, though, which might be part of the explanation.

    HSCA/60 5×5
    Burns 16.86
    Irwin 16.61
    Mueller 15.39
    Braun 15.29
    Vlasic 14.83
    Hannan 13.62

    Of course, he also had a high HSCF/60 (18.56), so he’s a high event player.

    At this point I could go either way.

    I’m certainly open to the possibility that keeping Klef and being patient is the better plan.

  55. Ducey says:

    Numenius: I’m certainly open to the possibility that keeping Klef and being patient is the better plan.

    And I certainly like Burns. He would be a good add as a UFA or pending UFA in two years. By the looks of things, San Jose might be looking at a tear down at that point – the Marleau, Thornton and Burns contracts all expire in 2 seasons. They might like some nice shiny new picks.

    In two years you add Burns to Sekera, Klefbom, Nurse, Reinhart and maybe an improved Schultz or one of the other D prospects and that could be a real strength. No doubt that is Chia’s thought process.

  56. Ben says:

    Ice District? Sheesh. Typically trite Edmontown bullpoop.

    Had all my money on: “The Frigid Fiefdom of Frostenkatz”

  57. scratch says:

    Ducey,

    You want to pick up his $4 million plus contract?

  58. Магия 10 says:

    Ben: Ice District? Sheesh. Typically trite Edmontown bullpoop.

    This will eliminate any confusion for the Americans re: where we play Ice Hockey 😉

  59. theres oil in virginia says:

    Hey LT. Been busy. Did you do a radio show today?

  60. UnjustEnrichment says:

    godot10: The Oilers do not have a problem at right D.

    Sekera can play both sides.

    Klefbom was the best defensemen at his World Junior Championships playing the right side.He played right D on the first pairing for Sweden at the recent World Championships.

    Reinhart can play both sides.

    Nurse can play both sides

    Musil can play both sides, and plays predominantly RD in the AHL

    Davidson can play both sides, and plays predominantly RD in the AHL>

    Plus Fayne, Schultz, and Gryba.

    The Canadiens dynasty, the Oilers dynasty, and the Islanders dynasty were lopsided with left shot D.

    Even the Detroit Red Wings and New Jersey Devils of the nineties and early naughts have more left shot D than right shot D.

    Having good defensemen is far more important than the handedness of defensemen.When one is Team Canada choosing from an abundance of riches, one can be obsessive compulsive about handedness.For an NHL team, it is nuts to do so.

    The qualities a D needs are skating, mobility, and passing ability, and these more than outweigh trivialities like handedness.

    You are absolutely correct, Godot. Thank you for cutting through all of the nonsense and noise.

  61. UnjustEnrichment says:

    Incidentally, a superior defenseman, like a good piano player, should be able to play with both hands, not just one. I’m only being partly facetious here. A defenseman who obsesses about handedness is likely not a very good defenseman (and his piano performances are likely nothing to brag about !).

    Denis Potvin could play on the right side or the left side with equal authority: he used the whole keyboard and both hands. Music.

  62. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Based purely on eye test, Burns is a good to very good Dman.

    That said, he’s better as a winger. He’s a monster on the wing, possibly my favorite non Oiler to watch. I believe our new coach agrees with my assessment.

  63. kb says:

    are we not set on RD with Fayne, Schultz and Gryba this year?
    As much as the oil would be better without Schultz he’s going to be here for another year.

    For next year, who is going to be upset with the below D. Ideally we get a vet for ?? position (could be anywhere in the depth chart). Maybe Ference retires maybe he doesn’t. Long as he’s at 7D.

    Klef, Fayne, Sekera, Reinhart, Nurse ??
    Ference

  64. misfit says:

    pts2pndr:
    Numenius,

    Re burns. Defenseman unlike red wine do not improve with age and tend to have their performance deteriorate rather rapidly aft 34. We need defense who are peaking in 3/4 years which shud be the start ofa window for peak team performance and challenging for Lord Stanley/holy grail.

    I don’t think you’ll find too many red wines that are any good at 34 years either.

  65. shawnmullin says:

    Re: Reinhart.

    This may seem trivial but how differently do you think people would look at the Reinhart deal if it wasn’t Edmonton making it? If there wasn’t the “Oilers like Oil Kings too much” baggage and the the knowledge that there was great debate about taking him in the Yakupov spot… objectively if St. Louis trades 16 and 33 for Reinhart does anyone bat an eye or do they think “interesting trade I am curious how this will play out.”

    I would suggest if an organization that had a better track record or even an average one and didn’t have the connection to Reinhart made this deal most would see it as reasonable while suggesting we’ll have to wait and see before truly being able to evaluate it.

    I’m also in the camp of evaluating draft picks based on the value of the picks not of the players chosen. It’s easy to say trading a second round pick that turns into Shea Webber is a disaster but we all know a great majority don’t even come close. A mid-1rst and early 2nd for a top four D with six years of control seems like reasonable value. Not great or bad somewhere in the middle. So the question as others have said is whether or not Reinhart can be that player.

  66. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: I was working on my creative writing!

    I thought that was in your 3 for 1 trade ideas.

    😉

  67. shawnmullin says:

    Based on this year’s draft and the number of D on the current contract list it looks like the Oilers will have to move some bodies out at some point both in the pro ranks and in the prospect pool. That sure puts guys like Hunt, Musil, Gernat, etc. on notice I would think. A make or break year before more guys sign deals and leapfrog them. Time may not even be kind to the Lalegia, Simpson, Davidson types either. It’s a big year for all those bubble D.

  68. Магия 10 says:

    shawnmullin: This may seem trivial but how differently do you think people would look at the Reinhart deal if it wasn’t Edmonton making it? If there wasn’t the “Oilers like Oil Kings too much” baggage

    The early Moroz pick foids into the narrative. Lazar and Samuelson were picked by other teams where expected. Not sure they would have landed in the same crossfire had the Oilers picked them at the same spots.

  69. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: I thought that was in your 3 for 1 trade ideas.

    If I could spell Libris you’d be banned! BANNED!

  70. misfit says:

    shawnmullin:
    Re: Reinhart.

    This may seem trivial but how differently do you think people would look at the Reinhart deal if it wasn’t Edmonton making it? If there wasn’t the “Oilers like Oil Kings too much” baggage and the the knowledge that there was great debate about taking him in the Yakupov spot… objectively if St. Louis trades 16 and 33 for Reinhart does anyone bat an eye or do they think “interesting trade I am curious how this will play out.”

    I would suggest if an organization that had a better track record or even an average one and didn’t have the connection to Reinhart made this deal most would see it as reasonable while suggesting we’ll have to wait and see before truly being able to evaluate it.

    I’m also in the camp of evaluating draft picks based on the value of the picks not of the players chosen. It’s easy to say trading a second round pick that turns into Shea Webber is a disaster but we all know a great majority don’t even come close. A mid-1rst and early 2nd for a top four D with six years of control seems like reasonable value. Not great or bad somewhere in the middle. So the question as others have said is whether or not Reinhart can be that player.

    Nevermind other teams trading for him, I don’t think as many people would be against the Oilers making that move if the defense was in a different position development-wise. One of the big issues for me was the fact that, while the potential is there, he’s likely not a guy you can count on to be a difference maker in the NHL for at least a couple of seasons. He’s also far enough along that he should definitely be in the NHL in a lesser capacity. The problem with that, is that Darnell Nurse and, to a lesser degree, Oscar Klefbom and Martin Marincin are in the exact same boat.

    If they traded the picks for a player farther along in their development, or used them to draft players who are farther away from NHL duty, then they won’t be in this position of developing 3 young defensemen at the NHL level who only have about a season’s worth of NHL experience between them at the exact same time.

    The problem isn’t the player, or whether or not he was worth a 1st and 2nd (well, some of it is the cost). The problem was that it might not have been the right move for the current Oilers the way we’re built now. We didn’t fill any of the major holes in our roster with the trade, nor did we end up drafting a player who would be the future replacements for the Eberles/Pouliots/Faynes of this team in 3-4 years’ time. Instead, we used the picks to acquire the one player type we seemingly had in abundance.

  71. Ducey says:

    Ben: Ice District? Sheesh. Typically trite Edmontown bullpoop. Had all my money on: “The Frigid Fiefdom of Frostenkatz”

    No matter what they called it, some people would of hated it #BecauseInternet

  72. Woodguy says:

    Joanne Ireland ‏@jirelandEJ 41s42 seconds ago

    The arbitration hearing for Justin Schultz is scheduled for July 24. The #Oilers and Schultz camp can negotiate right up until the hearing.

  73. Mr. D. says:

    pts2pndr:
    Pouzar,

    If you are challenging aa defenseman playing the right you will come fom hisleft protecting the underbelly center of the ice a left shotD has to come across his body to move thepuck the right shot has his body between u and the puck and has more options! Humans are adaptable! The point I am trying to make is all things being equal experience talentthere is anadvantage RH playing right side!.

    Very much so.

  74. Ben says:

    Woodguy:
    Joanne Ireland ‏@jirelandEJ 41s42 seconds ago

    The arbitration hearing for Justin Schultz is scheduled for July 24. The #Oilers and Schultz camp can negotiate right up until the hearing.

    This strikes me as a bit odd.

    They can’t pay him less than his last contract, right?

    Does this mean that Mr. Potential and his agent think that he earned…a raise?!

  75. frjohnk says:

    Another way to look at the Reinhart trade.

    Lets say in 2012 we had drafted Yakupov 1st overall and Reinhart 4th overall ( by trading MPS and that 2nd rounder to get the 4th pick in 12, just humor me for the moment ).

    And everything else is the same ( Reinhart played two years junior and 1 year AHL) we still suck and have McDavid fall into our lap.

    How would we feel if we traded Reinhart for the 16th pick and the 33rd pick?

    So we could pick up a forward ( Barzal?) and a defenseman ( Roy?)

    *Knowing that these guys are at least 2-4 years away from making the team and probably a couple more years from then being impactful if they actually do make it.

    *Knowing that our D prospect depth is not very promising with only Klefbom and Nurse projected to possibly be the only other top 4 with players 25 and under in the Oilers system.

    *Knowing that Reinhart is rated the 13th best prospect by The Hockey News in March 2015 who canvass scouts from all NHL teams and project which prospects will be the best in 5 to 10 years.

    *Knowing that Reinhart is rated the 14th best prospect by Hockey’s Future

    We don’t need more magic beans. We have had so many magic beans over the last 5 years that I think we are addicted to them.

    We don’t need more forward prospects. Heck the 3rd overall pick in 2014 will probably be OUR 3RD line center. We have tonnes of depth up front. Yes, at lot of it is potential ( Yak, Draisaitl), but we are at the point where we have a good number of skilled players and prospects up front that adding more is not the best for good asset management.

    We need D men that can grow and be here for a big part of McDavids career if we want to be competing for a cup in the next decade.

    Reinhart fits that bill. He is already 3 years from the draft and hungry for the NHL.

    I don’t even care about those two picks.

    Im pumped we have Reinhart.

  76. Lowetide says:

    Ben: This strikes me as a bit odd.

    They can’t pay him less than his last contract, right?

    Does this mean that Mr. Potential and his agent think that he earned…a raise?!

    Oilers took Schultz to arb, not vice versa.

  77. Ben says:

    Lowetide,

    But does that mean they can offer him less than the QO?

  78. Diesel says:

    One of the things I like to do when LT posts the 50-Man is to only read his parenthesized portion and try to correctly infer the player.

    It may sound easy (and some are) but you’d be surprised by some of your guesses and it shows the difference in how we perceive and evaluate players.

  79. Doug McLachlan says:

    Ben: This strikes me as a bit odd.They can’t pay him less than his last contract, right?Does this mean that Mr. Potential and his agent think that he earned…a raise?!

    As per the CBA paragraph 12.3 (b)(ii) you are correct, the club can ask for, at minimum, what he got last year, which is actually less than the Qualifying Offer.

    As per your comment that Schultz and his agent thinking he’s earned a raise, not sure that they do – or at lease not necessarily more than the QO – I suspect that they have a good idea of what the next Schultz contract looks like and I suspect it’s not too different from what it is now. The question will be term.

    There is some speculation that Chiarelli and Schultz understand that this whole arbitration exercise is making use of the CBA to open up the second buyout window after the initial FA signing frenzy has calmed down. That second window lasts for 48 hours opening on the third day after the arbitration or award. So IF they don’t settle before-hand the window opens on July 27th and closes July 29th.

  80. Drew says:

    frjohnk,

    I agree… we moved assets closer to their time of need. i was hoping it was the later 2nd rather than the early one but all in all adds a very good asset to use now mix.

  81. Ben says:

    Doug McLachlan,

    Meaning they want to make sure they’ve exhausted all trade options for Nikitin/Ference/Purcell or whomever before resorting to buyout?

  82. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy:
    Joanne Ireland ‏@jirelandEJ 41s42 seconds ago

    The arbitration hearing for Justin Schultz is scheduled for July 24. The #Oilers and Schultz camp can negotiate right up until the hearing.

    Sure would be nice to get the deal done sooner, open up the buyout window, buyout Ference or Nikitin, then still have a nice list of UFA defenders to chose from.

    Can see the Schultz camp using that as a bit of leverage though.

  83. SwedishPoster says:

    misfit,

    You could also make the argument that the fact they are at the same spot in their development is a good thing since they all can be part of a long term group that could grow together, similar to Anaheim and Chicagos respective group. And even though they are in similar spots you don’t have to break them in at the same time as they are all waiver exempt. Whoever’s ready gets an NHL spot.

    The D group looks a little messy for this season both from lack of proven quality NHLers and the number of different players whose position on the roster is very unclear but I think it’ll slowly start to both clear up and improve, I think the mix going forward looks really interesting. The only player type we’re missing is someone projecting to be a true #1. At the same time those guys aren’t easy to project or obtain for that matter.

  84. Revolved says:

    I was very glad to hear about Reinhart’s high ranking by impartial news sources. I agree that he looks like at least a top 4 D from where I’m sitting. I know this is not where he was usually used, but Anyone know if his shot has enough on it to be a power play weapon?

    My main question, though, is what is best to do with him now? If he and Nurse are a project able pair (?), could it be best to let them get to know each other as the top pair in Bakersfield? Is he going to get more out of 15 minutes per night with Gryba?

  85. Doug McLachlan says:

    Ben: Doug McLachlan, Meaning they want to make sure they’ve exhausted all trade options for Nikitin/Ference/Purcell or whomever before resorting to buyout?

    That would be my sense. There may not be any great trade options but you never know.

    I understand the general hate-on for Schultz but he’s had 3 years of pro hockey. Would that he had stayed in the AHL for a full year to learn the defensive side of the game or if he had been shielded by real NHL veterans. We might all have a different view of this player.

    I would not be surprised to see Schultz as a bigger part of the Oilers future D moving forward than any of us expect.

  86. Ducey says:

    The 3 day window actually could be pretty useful because agents negotiating with Chia will know once that window closes, the odds of EDM being in the market for their client go from pretty good to just about nil.

    Chia can just say that he isn’t buying out anyone unless he has a deal in place to sign their client. Same thing with the GM’s – make the trade by July 29 or it isn’t happening.

    We should know the training camp roster by July 30.

  87. Doug McLachlan says:

    Ducey,

    Could be very interesting. Will also know if he has an agreement (and potentially a multi-year deal with Schultz – even though that would horrify some around here) or whether he’s only dealing with a one-year contract on Schultz by way of the arbitration.

    Would love to see what the schedule is for the other arbitration hearings. There will be a few decisions made before the 24th (either via arbitration or agreement) that may also alter the game. Wonder when Stepan’s hearing is?

    EDIT: General Fanager to the rescue.
    http://www.generalfanager.com/arbitration

    Stepan’s is on the 27th.

    Interesting that NJ has two relevant ones: Eric Gelinas on the 21st and Larsson on the 29th

  88. Lloyd B. says:

    frjohnk,

    This nails it right on the head. Before the draft lottery a buddy and I were talking about the Oilers having two petontially great defencemen in Nurse and Klefbom but we really needed one more. Hanifan fit the bill perfectly. We realized that meant we were 4 -5 years away from a strong defence.

    Then we won the lottery. Very excited about getting McDavid, but it did not plug the 3rd major defencemen hole. In my view the Reinhart trade solves that problem. Your comments put to words what I’ve been thinking. I’m also excited about Reinhart. Now a few years to gel and to learn what it takes to win first in the NHL and then in the playoffs. This team could really be something. Plus we got woooooot!

  89. wheatnoil says:

    Ducey:

    We should know the training camp roster by July 30.

    This is exactly it.

    I suspect Schultz will sign a 1 year deal pretty much at his qualifying offer and they’re just stalling to see if anything shakes loose in the D-market, giving them the option of buying out Nikitin / Ference to make room for the new person.

    Another possibility is that they have a deal in principle for a trade or a signing and are trying to find a taker for Nikitin / Ference with salary retained. Failing to do so, they’ll buy that person out, but want to extend the amount of time they have to make such a deal.

  90. Factotum says:

    Ducey:
    The 3 day window actually could be pretty useful because agents negotiating with Chia will know once that window closes, the odds of EDM being in the market for their client go from pretty good to just about nil.

    Chia can just say that he isn’t buying out anyone unless he has a deal in place to sign their client.Same thing with the GM’s – make the trade by July 29 or it isn’t happening.

    We should know the training camp roster by July 30.

    This is along the lines of my thinking as well.

  91. Lloyd B. says:

    I haven’t seen this brought up before. If it has my apologies. Can the Oilers walk away from Shultz if the arbitrators award is not to their liking? I seem to recall the team can walk away if the player takes them to arbitration, but does the reverse hold. If they can walk away do they still get the buy out? Shultz and NN could both be gone if that’s the case.

  92. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lloyd B.,

    If it’s club elected arb they cannot walk away from the arbitrators ruling.

    Club elected arb also allows the player to choose the term(1 or 2 years)

  93. Woodguy says:

    godot10,

    Having good defensemen is far more important than the handedness of defensemen. When one is Team Canada choosing from an abundance of riches, one can be obsessive compulsive about handedness. For an NHL team, it is nuts to do so.

    So NAS, LAK TBY, NYR and others are all nuts eh?

    The NHL is a very fast league and there is no question that having your Dman in a position to make a fore hand pass instead of a backhand pass when in their corner in puck battle is an advantage.

    Waving your hands vigorously doesn’t make it not so.

    Mentioning a bunch of teams that won in the 70’s and 80’when they skated in quicksand compared to today doesn’t make it any less true either.

    Oiler have a hole and its at 1RD

    Fayne can play there with a higher end puck moving partner, but he’s not optimal there.

    Fayne as 2RD and Schultz/Gryba as 3RD is much better roster management.

  94. Melman says:

    Woodguy,

    That Petry dude in Mtl. would be handy

  95. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    frjohnk:
    Another way to look at the Reinhart trade.

    Lets say in 2012 we had drafted Yakupov 1st overall and Reinhart 4th overall ( by trading MPS and that 2nd rounder to get the 4th pick in 12, just humor me for the moment ).

    And everything else is the same ( Reinhart played two years junior and 1 year AHL) we still suck and have McDavid fall into our lap.

    How would we feel if we traded Reinhart for the 16th pick and the 33rd pick?

    So we could pick up a forward ( Barzal?) and a defenseman ( Roy?)

    *Knowing that these guys are at least 2-4 years away from making the team and probably a couple more years from then being impactful if they actually do make it.

    *Knowing that our D prospect depth is not very promising with only Klefbom and Nurse projected to possibly be the only other top 4 with players 25 and under in the Oilers system.

    *Knowing that Reinhart is rated the 13th best prospect by The Hockey News in March 2015 who canvass scouts from all NHL teams and project which prospects will be the best in 5 to 10 years.

    *Knowing that Reinhart is rated the 14th best prospect by Hockey’s Future

    We don’t need more magic beans.We have had so many magic beans over the last 5 years that I think we are addicted to them.

    We don’t need more forward prospects.Heck the 3rd overall pick in 2014 will probably be OUR 3RD line center.We have tonnes of depth up front.Yes, at lot of it is potential ( Yak, Draisaitl), but we are at the point where we have a good number of skilled players and prospects up front that adding more is not the best for good asset management.

    We need D men that can grow and be here for a big part of McDavids career if we want to be competing for a cup in the next decade.

    Reinhart fits that bill.He is already 3 years from the draft and hungry for the NHL.

    I don’t even care about those two picks.

    Im pumped we have Reinhart.

    I’ve read this three times!

    It’s absolutely spot on perfect. Thank you for this refreshing reality check.

    This team has obtained and planted all the magic beans we can reasonably expect to have. These beans have been planted and with an improved front office “garden” environment can be expected to sprout and grow. The need is to tend the garden, nurture the growth and wait.

    The time has come to stop ripping up seedlings, shipping them elsewhere and planting new magic beans.

    For the first time in YEARS, I’m hopeful. It’s about time.

  96. wordbird says:

    10$ says that’s Martin Sheen on voiceover in the Ice District (snicker) video.

  97. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: Having good defensemen is far more important than the handedness of defensemen. When one is Team Canada choosing from an abundance of riches, one can be obsessive compulsive about handedness. For an NHL team, it is nuts to do so.
    So NAS, LAK TBY, NYR and others are all nuts eh?

    You’re forgetting Detroit and their forever-long quest to find a top RHD. If only Babcock and Holland had had Godot there to tell them that they were worrying over trivialities and were acting obsessive-compulsive.

  98. TheOtherJohn says:

    Woodguy,

    Could we trade for Nic Schultz. Although LH I remember being told he was capable of playing either side equally well*

    *not sure “well” is the right word to use.

  99. Diesel says:

    I actually tend to agree with Godot. One can argue that the handedness of d-men is particularly valuable in certain playing situations (which it is), but his perspective of this value being relative is still true.

    If you’re looking to fill a hole/role on the blue line, say second pairing right side, there is a point where a left-shooting dman who is just an outright better player than the right-shooting alternative is preferable.

    The only real debate is where the margins are.

  100. shawnmullin says:

    misfit,

    Misfit I totally get where you’re coming from. Absolutely fans would likely be more comfortable with the deal if it were an established NHL defenceman in his 20s who could jump right into a top four role. Outside of Dougie Hamilton I don’t think such a player was available… and Hamilton was clearly a non-starter here.

    I can only assume they did make some inquiries to see if any such players were available for a similar price. Failing that I completely understand the reasoning behind the Reinhart trade and I’m sure the thinking is that he will be making significant contributions within McDavid’s entry level deal.

    Jumping to the third year of McDavid’s contract could we make a leap to assume the D looks something like…

    Sekera Fayne
    Klefbom Schultz
    Nurse Reinhart

    Not necessarily those pairings but those six players. That’s assuming there has been natural progress from all four of the young guys. In that case it should still a relatively inexpensive group of established (at that time) NHL players working towards their peak (outside of the two veterans who should be in or beyond theirs) and opening up room for additions elsewhere.

    Of course that would look better with Hamilton or similar in the Reinhart spot but Hamilton wasn’t an option here and two years from now what if Reinhart is a top notch young shutdown D at a reasonable number like 2-3 million. I think that makes a lot of sense for this roster. It’s not immediate impact but it’s quicker than the picks would have been.

    If those guys all follow the curve they should follow to some extent you would be able to use Schultz in the kind of role he is best suited for… although hopefully he is more well rounded by that point or replaced.

  101. spoiler says:

    LT,

    I would have Lander and Yakupov underlined and in bold on your list too, if “a lot to prove this year” is a criterion.

  102. spoiler says:

    Diesel:

    Diesel says:

    July 13, 2015 at 3:30 pm

    I actually tend to agree with Godot. One can argue that the handedness of d-men is particularly valuable in certain playing situations (which it is), but his perspective of this value being relative is still true.

    His perspective is that it is trivial and thinking about it is being obsessive-compulsive. That’s far beyond it being relative.

    Is this really what you tend to agree with?

  103. Cameron says:

    Woodguy,

    I always thought that matching the handedness of a Dman to the side he plays was to improve positioning against wingers attacking wide, i.e. a RH RD has his stick ‘wall side’ and can cheat closer to the middle when getting rushed because he can close against the wall easier than a LH D on the right could.

    Or maybe there are just a host of reasons (how you turn in the corner, forehand v backhand passes, etc), of which wall play is only one.

  104. Marc says:

    Clay:
    Our loveable Gino Principe will certainly have a wealth of new material available if Marino ever gets to the point where he’s quarterbacking the powerplay.

    God help us if Tyler Soy is on the teams as well.

    Tyler Soy – Marin(ar)o!
    Tyler Soy – Marin(ar)o!
    Soy Capitan!
    Soy Capitan!

  105. bendelson says:

    wordbird: 10$ says that’s Martin Sheen on voiceover in the Ice District (snicker) video.

    I’ll take that bet.
    You are wrong, it is not Martin Sheen doing the voiceover.
    Please forward your $10 to LT’s paypal account.

    Thanks.

  106. Factotum says:

    The last time I allowed myself to be hopeful was on April 4, 2013. Fool me once…

    —–

    I don’t mind trading magic beans for Reinhart, even though those two beans were mighty shiny-looking this year. It’s about time that the Oilers stopped moving the clock back.

    I can recall vividly the rumors that the Oilers were going to pick Reinhart with the No.1 pick in 2012 – rumors that filled me with panic because I saw Reinhart bad during the WHL playoffs vs. Portland that year. I thought his footspeed was profoundly lacking against the speedy Winterhawks, especially in the second half of a shift. At the time, I used the word “glacial” to describe it. He didn’t look remotely like a defenseman on whom one would spend a first overall pick, at least not to me. I was massively relieved when the Oilers didn’t pick him.

    None of that matters now. He’s an Oiler and I’m going to be cheering like hell for him. He’s the right age to grow and peak with the Nurse, Draisaitl, McDavid cluster. Time will tell whether at the NHL level he’s the horse Bob Green thinks he’s going to be.

  107. Diesel says:

    spoiler,

    I suppose I’ve grown accustomed to taking everyone’s opinions here with a grain of salt to immediately soften their hyperbole by ~ 10%.

    Either that or I’ve applied my own thinking to his post incorrectly.

  108. Ducey says:

    Melman: Woodguy, That Petry dude in Mtl. would be handy

    He isn’t a #1 RHD. He isn’t even the #1 RHD on his own team (PK Subban)

  109. Connor'sreal says:

    bendelson: it is not Martin Sheen

    I agree. This guy kind of sounds like him on certain vowel sounds, but definitely not Martin. I imagine the fee to get Sheen to do something like that would be very large.

    And if you’re going big, you might as well get Jim Carrey to do his best McConaughey.

  110. bendelson says:

    Connor’sreal: I agree. This guy kind of sounds like him on certain vowel sounds, but definitely not Martin. I imagine the fee to get Sheen to do something like that would be very large. And if you’re going big, you might as well get Jim Carrey to do his best McConaughey.

    Easiest $10 I ever made for LT.

  111. wheatnoil says:

    Ducey: He isn’t a #1 RHD.He isn’t even the #1 RHD on his own team (PK Subban)

    In fairness, all but maybe five RHD in the league would not be the #1 RHD in Montreal.

  112. wordbird says:

    Connor’sreal: I agree. This guy kind of sounds like him on certain vowel sounds, but definitely not Martin. I imagine the fee to get Sheen to do something like that would be very large.

    And if you’re going big, you might as well get Jim Carrey to do his best McConaughey.

    I’m still convinced it’s Martin Sheen.

    Possible Edmonton connection? – Martin Sheen does voicework for the Mass Effect video game series, developed by Edmonton’s own BioWare Studios.

  113. Lowetide says:

    spoiler:
    LT,

    I would have Lander and Yakupov underlined and in bold on your list too, if “a lot to prove this year” is a criterion.

    In Yak’s case, I felt he might have two years, because of the contract. Agreed though, he needs to step forward. Lander is a guy I see being here long term.

  114. striatic says:

    Woodguy:
    godot10,

    Having good defensemen is far more important than the handedness of defensemen. When one is Team Canada choosing from an abundance of riches, one can be obsessive compulsive about handedness. For an NHL team, it is nuts to do so.

    So NAS,LAK TBY, NYR and others are all nuts eh?

    The NHL is a very fast league and there is no question that having your Dman in a position to make a fore hand pass instead of a backhand pass when in their corner inpuck battle is an advantage.

    Waving your hands vigorously doesn’t make it not so.

    Mentioning a bunch of teams that won in the 70’s and 80’when they skated in quicksand compared to today doesn’t make it any less true either.

    Oiler have a hole and its at 1RD

    Fayne can play there with a higher end puck moving partner, but he’s not optimal there.

    Fayne as 2RD and Schultz/Gryba as 3RD is much better roster management.

    Agree strongly with Woodguy on the handedness issue. It is an issue.

    The only caveat is that if a defenceman has a history of success at the NHL level playing on his off side, then I don’t care.

    Reinhart switch hitting in Junior and the AHL doesn’t count.

    Klefbom playing the right side in a couple international tournaments doesn’t count.

    Sekera *does* have a history of playing the right side with some success which is great. Trying him at RD isn’t a terrible idea.

    On a better team, trying Reinhart and Klefbom at RD would be a valuable experiment but on this Oilers team with its history? Nope. Let’s not make guesses and do experiments. Lets go get a player who has proven they can play that RD position and the very highest level.

  115. Revolved says:

    To address this post, and LTs article at ON, I would like to completely disagree with LTs suggested forward pairs and propose:

    Hall – Lander – X
    X – Nuge – Eberle
    X – McDavid – Yakupov

    My main issue being that LT is getting ahead of himself in putting Drai as third line centre and McDavid as first. I think we’re going to need more experience at that position to cover for our D this year.

    McDavid and Yakupov need similar treatment this year, and that’s sheltering. Put them with someone responsible (I’ve said Hendricks before, but Korpikoski if he play the part). Hall and Lander can play any competition and excel, so put them with someone who can play (yes, maybe Purcell, otherwise Pitlick or even Miller(!)). Nuge and Eberle need no introduction, but could probably use a big man to play with (Pouliot).

  116. vinotintazo says:

    I had a nightmare last night, and I kid you not, We Traded Draisaitl AND Nuge to NYI for Barzal and a #1 Pick in 2016. I woke up so pissed.

    It looked so real, I even talked to Drai and he was mad. lol.

  117. Snowman says:

    Revolved,

    I think you are quite severely overestimating how much sheltering CMD will need. He’s not a typical player. Playing 2C minutes is probably more than enough shelter. Yak isn’t ready for top 6 minutes yet and Mcdavid is wasted on babysitting him

    Lander is skilled enough to play with Yak and defensively aware enough to cover for him.

    Lander-Yak is a duo.

  118. pts2pndr says:

    frjohnk,

    Thank you! This is my thoughts exactly! Even if it does not work out perfectly it is , I feel the correct way to proceed.

  119. Lowetide says:

    Revolved:
    To address this post, and LTs article at ON, I would like to completely disagree with LTs suggested forward pairs and propose:

    Hall – Lander – X
    X – Nuge – Eberle
    X – McDavid – Yakupov

    My main issue being that LT is getting ahead of himself in putting Drai as third line centre and McDavid as first.I think we’re going to need more experience at that position to cover for our D this year.

    McDavid and Yakupov need similar treatment this year, and that’s sheltering.Put them with someone responsible (I’ve said Hendricks before, but Korpikoski if he play the part).Hall and Lander can play any competition and excel, so put them with someone who can play (yes, maybe Purcell, otherwise Pitlick or even Miller(!)). Nuge and Eberle need no introduction, but could probably use a big man to play with (Pouliot).

    So, Edmonton gets McDavid and won’t play him with skill? No chance. Korpikoski might be a nice option on the road (with Pouliot, as an example) but those are guys with skill (I’ve mentioned them before). Drafting McDavid and keeping him from the elite talents on the team is crazy. Even early.

  120. Marc says:

    Woodguy:
    godot10,

    Having good defensemen is far more important than the handedness of defensemen. When one is Team Canada choosing from an abundance of riches, one can be obsessive compulsive about handedness. For an NHL team, it is nuts to do so.

    So NAS,LAK TBY, NYR and others are all nuts eh?

    The NHL is a very fast league and there is no question that having your Dman in a position to make a fore hand pass instead of a backhand pass when in their corner inpuck battle is an advantage.

    Waving your hands vigorously doesn’t make it not so.

    Mentioning a bunch of teams that won in the 70’s and 80’when they skated in quicksand compared to today doesn’t make it any less true either.

    Oiler have a hole and its at 1RD

    Fayne can play there with a higher end puck moving partner, but he’s not optimal there.

    Fayne as 2RD and Schultz/Gryba as 3RD is much better roster management.

    This is the exact same argument that teams that draft for need use, and it’s how you end up with David Musil instead of Boone Jenner.

    If all things are equal (and they rarely are) it’s smart to acquire a player type you don’t have over one you have a lot of.

    But in most cases BPA is the smart move. You acquire the best player you can for the assets you’re giving up and let the coach sort it out.

    If it’s a dumb move to leave talent on the table at the draft to shore up an organisational need, then it’s just as dumb to leave talent on the table in the trade market to ensure you have equal numbers of RD and LD.

  121. pts2pndr says:

    Cameron,

    Attacking wide was before red line was done away with so to speak now it seems the underbelly is the center of the ice.

  122. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy:
    godot10,

    Having good defensemen is far more important than the handedness of defensemen. When one is Team Canada choosing from an abundance of riches, one can be obsessive compulsive about handedness. For an NHL team, it is nuts to do so.

    So NAS,LAK TBY, NYR and others are all nuts eh?

    The NHL is a very fast league and there is no question that having your Dman in a position to make a fore hand pass instead of a backhand pass when in their corner inpuck battle is an advantage.

    Waving your hands vigorously doesn’t make it not so.

    Mentioning a bunch of teams that won in the 70’s and 80’when they skated in quicksand compared to today doesn’t make it any less true either.

    Oiler have a hole and its at 1RD

    Fayne can play there with a higher end puck moving partner, but he’s not optimal there.

    Fayne as 2RD and Schultz/Gryba as 3RD is much better roster management.

    The 05-06 Oilers had Pronger and Bergeron (two left hand shots) and Smith and Staios (two right hand shots) playing as pairings for most of the season.

    It didn’t hurt any of them. Nobody even talked about. There are a lot of defensemen that are comfortable playing both sides, and there are defensemen like Visnovsky that prefer to play the offside.

    I think as a GM, you should focus on acquiring players with a wide range of skills and then you don’t really have any issues.

  123. Doug McLachlan says:

    Lowetide,

    Hall-McDavid-Eberle
    Drai-Nuge-Yakupov
    Pouliot-Lander-Purcell
    Hendricks-Letestu-Korp
    Miller

    Buyout Ference and Nikitin – sign Franson to a Green-like contract 3×4.5 (With Purcell falling off next year can be afforded)

    Sekera-Franson
    Klefbom-Schultz
    Reinhart-Fayne
    Gryba

    Talbot
    Scrivins

  124. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: If I could spell Libris you’d be banned! BANNED!

    That reminds me of what Kassian said about having to face McIntyre following the Gagner high-stick.

    ———–

    Re: Miller

    It seems funny, but there’s almost a sense of relief that we can casually say that he may not make the team and they don’t have to live or die by it.

    Makes me think back to last season and before where the Oilers were dancing on the razor’s edge if Arcobello didn’t prove enough to make the team or some such scenario.

    Reminds of the scene in Good, Bad and the Ugly where Tuco walks in from the desert and comes across a water-trough. He takes a small sip and his body is wracked in pain at the relief of it.

  125. RexLibris says:

    So, off topic but the New Horizons probe finally reached Pluto: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/13/nasa-probes-early-pluto-data-shows-dwarf-planet-larger-than-anticipated

    And this sentence stood out for me –

    More recent images have revealed cliffs, craters and chasms larger than the Grand Canyon.

    Why do all journalists use this reference as though it is supposed to instil a sense of awe in the reader? Is the fact that Earth may be a fairly modest planet in many geological aspects (outside of the massive bodies of water) impossible to grasp?

    Anyway, I digress…

  126. pts2pndr says:

    Lowetide,

    I think the pairings are close with mcdavid 2nd line center ! Yakipov forces other teams to watch for his shot. If you place the appropriate left wing go to the net/hard on the boards type it is a great line. Hall lander line needs a speedy defensive minded right wing (maybe Pakarinen ) Pouliot with Nuge and Eberle .three scoring lines and interchange 2 and 3 as required! Power play mix and match! Nuge
    Line as first line!

  127. Ducey says:

    Worrying about the handedness of the D men on the Oilers is kind of like worrying about whether the power windows work on your 1998 Lada.

    Lets fix the fact the door panel is rusted out and the engine only occasionally turns over. Then we can worry about the first world problems of the contenders.

    Just looking at the west, because I am too lazy to look at the east, here are the top pairing RHDman on each team:

    ANA Vatanan, Bieksa
    ARI Michalek, Murphy, Stone
    CAL Hamilton
    CHI Seabrook
    COL Erik Johnson
    DAL Klingberg, Demers
    LA Doughty
    MIN Spurgeon, Dumba
    NASH Weber
    SJ Burns
    STL Pietrangelo
    VAN Tanev
    WIN Myers, Trouba

  128. oilswell says:

    RexLibris: Why do all journalists use this reference as though it is supposed to instil a sense of awe in the reader? Is the fact that Earth may be a fairly modest planet in many geological aspects (outside of the massive bodies of water) impossible to grasp?

    Isn’t it that they need a common reference point to help the average reader. I mean, they could have compared to Zhemchug but is that better?

    I have more problems when they compare sizes to things like Missouri, which they seem to do a lot. Who knows how big Missouri is? At least lots of people who have never seen the Grand Canyon might have the impression that it is large. Maybe even as big as Rhode Island!

  129. misfit says:

    Bank Shot: The 05-06 Oilers had Pronger and Bergeron (two left hand shots) and Smith and Staios (two right hand shots) playing as pairings for most of the season.

    It didn’t hurt any of them. Nobody even talked about. There are a lot of defensemen that are comfortable playing both sides, and there are defensemen like Visnovsky that prefer to play the offside.

    I think as a GM, you should focus on acquiring players with a wide range of skills and then you don’t really have any issues.

    Bergeron is a RHS. He also wasn’t Pronger’s partner for as much of the season as people like to think (somehow it is accepted that Bergeron was Pronger’s main D-partner that year) and not at all in the playoffs. A better example was how Smith and Staios (2 RHS) were partnered quite a bit over the years as Oilers.

    But you’re right. There are a lot of LHS defensemen who prefer the right side. Visnovsky as you mentioned was one. Niedermayer was another famous one. There are lots.

    On the issue as a whole, I agree with both Woodguy and Godot to some degree. It’s definitely preferable to have your RDs shoot left and vise versa, but it’s not the biggest factor, and in some cases, there are players who prefer their off side. It’s also a lot more common in European leagues to have players prefer the off-side, or at least it seems to me. Perhaps the big ice changes things some…maybe there’s less play along the boards or something. There are also some defensemen who simply cannot play their “wrong” side (Smid flat out refused when Kreuger asked him about it). I feel like Nurse is a strong candidate to play the right as a pro, which would really alleviate any issue with the balance on our defense going forward. He has excelled there in the past, and the team has definitely shown an interest in using him there in his short stints here.

  130. Curcro says:

    To work into your roster calculations. Justin Schultz may go for a 2 year deal which is his choice as that will take him straight to UFA status.

    He has to sign his qualifying offer by July 15 when it expires according to CBA. If he wants 1 year at current money.

    I suspect he wants two years and will happily go to arbitration.

  131. Connor'sreal says:

    oilswell: compared to Zhemchug

    I was hoping for the Mariana Trench.

  132. pts2pndr says:

    Marc,

    The hole in this argument is that the value of a winger does not equal value of a centre or defenseman when you run into an in balance of wingers vs centres or defenseman. You therefore have to add value when you attempt to balance your roster if you have stuck to the bpa poicy and have an abundance of wingers!

  133. OilClog says:

    Hmmm with Nuge, Jesus, and the good Doctor.. Letestu signed for a few years..

    I wouldn’t get a Lander Oilers Jersey.. He’s a trade chip.

  134. Lowetide says:

    Curcro:
    To work into your roster calculations. Justin Schultz may go for a 2 year deal which is his choice as that will take him straight to UFA status.

    He has to sign his qualifying offer by July 15 when it expires according to CBA. If he wants 1 year at current money.

    I suspect he wants two years and will happily go to arbitration.

    I suspect he’ll go two years because there’s a chance it’ll be his last major payday.

  135. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Ducey: Worrying about the handedness of the D men on the Oilers is kind of like worrying about whether the power windows work on your 1998 Lada.
    Lets fix the fact the door panel is rusted out and the engine only occasionally turns over. Then we can worry about the first world problems of the contenders.

    Haha, that’s more like it.

    BTW, I looked up the top 4 d-men by ATOI on the ten Stanley Cup champions since the lockout, & found this:
    2006 CAR 2 L 2 R
    2007 ANA 4 L
    2008 DET 3 L 1 R
    2009 PIT 4 L
    2010 CHI 3 L 1 R
    2011 BOS 3 L 1 R
    2012 LAK 2 L 2 R
    2013 CHI 3 L 1 R
    2014 LAK 2 L 2 R
    2015 CHI 3 L 1 R

    Add them all up & that’s 29 left shots and 11 right shots (some players listed more than once, of course), but the unbalanced teams managed to survive somehow and win the Cup.

    So it’s not really a first-world problem either. It really isn’t that big of a deal.

  136. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide: I suspect he’ll go two years because there’s a chance it’ll be his last major payday.

    Bingo. And here is the risk of opening up that buyout window for one of the other guys, is you might wind up with an albatross contract of a different sort.

  137. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Pouzar:
    Try again.

    http://puckplusplus.com/2013/09/21/do-defensemen-play-worse-on-their-off-hand/

    The old link worked fine for me. Good post, and nice find. I remember being as nonplussed about “Yzerman’s problem” for Sochi as I am about the current debate. There was all sorts of hand-wringing going on because Stevie y mentioned it was his personal preference to match lefty-righty.

    I note it didn’t stop Yzerman from trading righty Radko Gudas for lefty Braydon Coburn before the playoffs and going with an all-lefty second pairing.

  138. godot10 says:

    OilClog:
    Hmmm with Nuge, Jesus, and the good Doctor.. Letestu signed for a few years..

    I wouldn’t get a Lander Oilers Jersey.. He’s a trade chip.

    If one reads the big book, the 2nd guy gets tortured to death.. So the Lander jersey is a good bet.

  139. B S says:

    oilswell: Maybe even as big as Rhode Island!

    Bigger. Everything is bigger than Rhode Island. Edmonton Metropolitan Area is 3 times the size of Rhode Island (feel free to look it up).

  140. oilswell says:

    Connor’sreal: I was hoping for the Mariana Trench.

    No way. Mariana is just a depth option with some name recognition. High era-adjusted sideburn/60.

  141. B S says:

    godot10,

    http://www.jerusalemnanobible.com/

    Little book. But yeah, betting on Lander stick as a utility forward for years to come.

  142. Melman says:

    Ducey: He isn’t a #1 RHD.He isn’t even the #1 RHD on his own team (PK Subban)

    I get that, what I meant was he’d be handy slotting in ahead of Fayne and JS

  143. speeds says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Bingo. And here is the risk of opening up that buyout window for one of the other guys, is you might wind up with an albatross contract of a different sort.

    I’d be curious to hear the reasoning as to why they opted to take Schultz to arbitration if the reason was to open the buyout window – they could just as easily have taken Pitlick to arbitration, for example.

  144. Curcro says:

    speeds,

    They would have had to choose arbitration 48 hours after cup final. Which is BEFORE the ordinary buyout period closed.

  145. hunter1909 says:

    I never heard of RHD and LHD until recently. At NHL level its absurd to think a player can’t cut playing the other side of defence for a short time without being terrible.

  146. Curcro says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Bingo. And here is the risk of opening up that buyout window for one of the other guys, is you might wind up with an albatross contract of a different sort.

    But arbitration was chosen before the draft and before free agency.

  147. speeds says:

    Curcro:
    speeds,

    They would have had to choose arbitration 48 hours after cup final. Which is BEFORE the ordinary buyout period closed.

    There are two different time periods where teams can file for arbitration with players, as far as we know EDM filed for arbitration with Schultz via the later time frame.

  148. Curcro says:

    speeds: There are two different time periods where teams can file for arbitration with players, as far as we know EDM filed for arbitration with Schultz via the later time frame.

    From my reading of CBA clubs must do so early 12.2 (Iv)

  149. speeds says:

    Curcro,

    There’s two time periods, 12.4(a) and 12.4(b)

  150. Curcro says:

    speeds,

    Indeed well done. In either case would be announced same date I would think as players have until July 5 to sign with a competing team.

  151. Curcro says:

    If done via time period two they have put Schultz in a no lose situation. He goes to it knowing the min is 2 years at last years salary and into UFA status.

    Which means that to settle before I reckon they would have to increase his salary. Bad situation.

  152. Richard S.S. says:

    From the very first moment Connor McDavid steps out onto the ice, he will be facing the very best the Opposition has to offer. Anything else won’t contain him. The first time he “torches” someone brings out the “headhunters” after him – skill players are always at risk. Whoever the other four players he hits the ice with have to be very closely chosen. They need to keep up with him, pass very well and score very well, and keep Connor safe. Time to send a message that “payback’s a bitch”. Most of what I’ve seen is more about what the team will be like, than how good Connor’s line will be. I really don’t know who fits, because I don’t know how good everyone is. The key phrase in choosing who, “They need to keep up with him.”

  153. Lowetide says:

    Richard S.S.:
    From the very first moment Connor McDavid steps out onto the ice, he will be facing the very best the Opposition has to offer.Anything else won’t contain him.The first time he “torches” someone brings out the “headhunters” after him – skill players are always at risk.Whoever the other four players he hits the ice with have to be very closely chosen.They need to keep up with him, pass very well and score very well, and keep Connor safe.Time to send a message that “payback’s a bitch”.Most of what I’ve seen is more about what the team will be like, than how good Connor’s line will be.I really don’t know who fits, because I don’t know how good everyone is.The key phrase in choosing who, “They need to keep up with him.”

    Based on what Todd McLellan has done in the past, we can expect a veterans. Ryan Clowe and Heatley played most often with Logan Couture as an example

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1219&withagainst=true&season=2010-11&sit=5v5

  154. Oilanderp says:

    With all the news concerning the ICE DISTRICT today, I thought I would share this related and informative John Oliver video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcwJt4bcnXs

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