THE FIFTH ROUND (2015 EDITION)

Fifth-round picks have a 14.9% chance of turning into NHL players (expressed as ‘playing 100 games’) and this is the real lottery area. Over the last 15 years, Oilers fifth rounders who have played 100 or more games include Jussi Markkanen (128 games). .

I’m hopeful we can have a rational conversation about the Edmonton Oilers in the fourth round 2008-15. No grand statements on either side, no claims of victory, just an honest assessment of the way things are, the good and bad arrows, and a discussion in regard to useful players coming out of this area of the draft. In order to do this, we absolutely have to agree on some things:

  • We can’t judge a drafted player weeks after his selection.
  • We can count arrows, and they are a good indicator.
  • We cannot expect all of the picks to succeed, that isn’t reasonable.
  • We have come to some kind of conclusion about a line in the sand and agree to it (the Cullen grades)

OILERS FIFTH ROUND PICKS 2008-2015

  • 2008: Phil Cornet
  • 2009: Olivier Roy
  • 2010: Tyler Bunz
  • 2011: Martin Gernat
  • 2012: Joey Laleggia
  • 2013: Evan Campbell
  • 2014: Liam Coughlin
  • 2015: Ethan Bear

2015 SUMMER (NHL GAMES PLAYED)

  1. Phil Cornet 2
  2. Tyler Bunz 1

ARROWS

  • Productive in Europe/AHL: Phil Cornet
  • “It’s Over” arrows: Olivier Roy, Tyler Bunz
  • Bad arrows: Martin Gernat
  • Lukewarm arrows: Liam Coughlin (traded to Chicago!)
  • Good arrows: Evan Campbell
  • Very good arrows: Joey Laleggia
  • New arrows: Ethan Bear

ONE BY ONE

  • L Phil Cornet: Coming up on 300 AHL games now and of course a cup of coffee in the NHL with the Oilers. A fifth-round pick who can hang in playing pro hockey at a high level for five years seems like a success to me. No quarrel with the pick.
  • G Olivier Roy: He was a pretty famous junior player but the pro level didn’t agree with him. Spent more time in the ECHL than the AHL, but the Oilers did get some value for him (Smid-Brossoit trade) although that may well have been a 50-man necessity.
  • G Tyler Bunz: Played only eight AHL games during his entry-level deal. I’m not sure Edmonton ever viewed him as a real prospect, but his last two WHL seasons were solid.
  • D Martin Gernat: He’s over 100 AHL games (to only three in the ECHL) but I’ll confess to being disappointed with his lack of progress. I’m uncertain how much of this had to do with the conditioning issue (the Oilers are willing to send better players than Gernat away over it, so it won’t end well for the Slovak).
  • D Joey Laleggia: Hobey finalist and a brilliant offensive player in college. Small skill defenseman now embarks at the pro level. Magician with the puck but the key will be what he can do without it. If he can play defense in pro hockey, Laleggia should have a significant career. That would be a major win for the Oilers (to get a fifth-round pick to the NHL).
  • L Evan Campbell: Enjoyed a strong season in the NCAA age 21 (34GP, 12-15-27) and there’s some hope he’ll have a pro career. Campbell’s skill set includes grit and skill so maybe there’s a player here. He has two more seasons in college.
  • C Liam Coughlin: As an Oilers fan I danced a jig upon finding out the Oilers acquired anyone for Coughlin. Then, again as an Oilers fan, I went uh-oh and began to wonder what Chicago knows. Alas, one suspects Coughlin, who had a good year in the BCJHL (not great, and he’s too old to be in that league and an NHL prospect) is destined for levels below the NHL.
  • D Ethan Bear: I would have been happy if the Oilers had taken Bear in the second round. Has a nice range of skills, shows offensive ability (can pass well, has vision, a very good shot) and appears to be a legit defender. That’s a lot for the fifth round.

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67 Responses to "THE FIFTH ROUND (2015 EDITION)"

  1. cc says:

    I think that outside of Coughlin, there wasn’t any horrible picks. Bunz & Roy had decent success, that didn’t translate to the pro game. Cornet has had a good AHL career and Gernat had the boom or bust skills. It would be good if one of Laleggia, Campbell or Bear works out.

    The Oiler’s did have some success in the 5th round in the mid 90’s to mid 00’s (is that what you call it?). They drafted Markkanen, Chimera, Stortini and although they never found a player like McJesus they did find Satan, Miroslav in the 5th round.

  2. oliveoilers says:

    Ethan Bear is a kick-ass name.

    Right up there with Max Power and Trent Steel.

    If you can’t succeed with a name like that, then I don’t know what to believe.

  3. jonrmcleod says:

    oliveoilers,

    I also liked Jack Armstrong, former Cincinnati Reds pitcher.

  4. HiddenDarts says:

    Outside of the rookie camp, I haven’t seen much of Joey Leggs, but from what I did see, it seems clear he doesn’t have Brad Hunt’s skating issues.

    That’s a huge item, IMO. Small D-men have to be great skaters and have a good offensive mind to even have a whiff of an NHL chance.

    He has both. I hope they run him heavily in Bakersfield.

  5. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    Cheering like all heck for the Bearell-chested young man.

  6. Gret99zky says:

    Joey Leggs’ snap/wrist shot in development camp was crisp as an October morn.

  7. kinger_OIL says:

    – As you mention Gernat, I thought I’d share a tidbit: my wife’s family emigrated from Slovakia when she was 6 years old. Over the years, we’ve had many of her cousins and family and friends over, so I’ve developed some good insight into them. The Slovaks are generally very mild-mannered, polite and a little stand-offish, untill they get to know you. The are also a lot of very tall and slender slovaks: there is a sgment of the stock that have that body type (just like the scandanvians do, or the Brits, or the French, etc: lots of countries have unmistakable looks).

    – I often remark to my wife and family when they leave that they seem a little lazy, or just not really appearing ambitious. Really nothing to base that on, its just a “feel” Thankfully I’m not in NHL player development, because that bias, based on their disposiiton is crazy. My wife is extremely successful, as are her parents, in their fields.

    – I suspect the OIL just got to know Marincin and Gernat, and came to the same unfounded conclusions: “too skinny, too lazy, very reserved, not enough grit”, and kicked them to the curve.

    – At least I know my impressions are stupid, and of course my wife and her family are the exception to those lazy languid Slovaks….

  8. RexLibris says:

    Mike Babcock is worth every penny!

    http://imgur.com/gallery/HnAAWeU

    2 pts in July!

  9. Bruce McCurdy says:

    jonrmcleod:
    oliveoilers,

    I also liked Jack Armstrong, former Cincinnati Reds pitcher.

    I like the guys with opposite names, like relief pitcher Grant Balfour or golfer Jason Dufner. There are many more, those two just pop into my head.

  10. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    RexLibris: Mike Babcock is worth every penny!

    Ah, the Mets’ goaltending sucks. They would have won that game with Carlyle coaching.

  11. Bruce McCurdy says:

    …or the guys with obvious attitude problems, like Ben Eager, Darren Rumble and Patrick Maroon.

  12. Lowetide says:

    I remember Armstrong because he was known in the baseball scouting business as ‘million dollar arm, ten-cent head” Ouch!

  13. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    kinger_OIL: Gernat

    Wasn’t MacT’s comment about Gernat, something like ‘I’ve seen bigger arms on a pair of glasses’…?

    Maybe that was about Marincin. Either way, I cringed.

  14. Pouzar says:

    Wrong thread but **** it.

    Jason Gregor ‏@JasonGregor 3h3 hours ago
    “Biggest difference I saw from this year to last, was patience in his game. His positioning and strength was much better.” Fleming on Nurse

  15. jonrmcleod says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    How about Larry Playfair?

  16. czar says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    never turn your back on Jamie Pusher, Bruce Driver or Bob Corkum

  17. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Pouzar:
    Wrong thread but **** it.

    Jason Gregor ‏@JasonGregor3h3 hours ago
    “Biggest difference I saw from this year to last, was patience in his game. His positioning and strength was much better.” Fleming on Nurse

    I heard that, nodded my head sagely, and went “mmmmm”. It’s such an obvious need, but great to hear it from a coach who saw him twice, a year apart.

  18. Pouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I heard that, nodded my head sagely, and went “mmmmm”. It’s such an obvious need, but great to hear it from a coach who saw him twice, a year apart.

    Exactly. A glowing endorsement. Nurse improved on the areas he was weak in and that’s all one can ask.

  19. Bruce McCurdy says:

    jonrmcleod:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    How about Larry Playfair?

    Oh yeah, Playfair & Ruff was my all-time favourite real-life duo. Larry & Lindy were a defence pair for years with the Sabres.

  20. jonrmcleod says:

    Some other good hockey names: Dave Snuggerud, Lindy Ruff, Garth Butcher, Jeff Beukeboom, Bill Quackenbush, Tony Twist, Darren Rumble, Ron Tugnutt, Bart Crashley, Darren Puppa, “Pear Juice” Per Djoos.

  21. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide:
    I remember Armstrong because he was known in the baseball scouting business as ‘million dollar arm, ten-cent head” Ouch!

    My favourite thumbnail scouting report / diss is the one that goes “he’d go through a wall for his team & he’s probably dumb enough to try it”

  22. jonrmcleod says:

    I think I’ve stumbled upon a fun blog post idea: put together an all-star team of best Oilers’ names.

  23. Bruce McCurdy says:

    …or this one, by Bill Veeck on bespectacled flamethrower Ryne Duren:
    “He could throw a baseball through a brick wall, but he probably couldn’t see the wall”

  24. Bruce McCurdy says:

    jonrmcleod:
    I think I’ve stumbled upon a fun blog post idea: put together an all-star team of best Oilers’ names.

    I’ve got the defence pair of Darcy Martini & Bob Beers.

  25. Pouzar says:

    jonrmcleod:
    Some other good hockey names: Dave Snuggerud, Lindy Ruff, Garth Butcher, Jeff Beukeboom, Bill Quackenbush, Tony Twist, Darren Rumble, Ron Tugnutt, Bart Crashley, Darren Puppa, “Pear Juice” Per Djoos.

    Bill Root

  26. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    jonrmcleod: Some other good hockey names:

    Radek Bonk says hi!

  27. Bruce McCurdy says:

    JD¡™ David O’Connor’s Reel: Radek Bonk says hi!

    as do Bob Gassoff & Boris Fistric.

  28. czar says:

    Roman Hamrlik and Carl Dykhuis or have I gone too far?

  29. Lowetide says:

    If we’re looking for unusual names, I’ll sign off on Dave Inkpen.

  30. Pouzar says:

    czar:
    Roman Hamrlik and Carl Dykhuis or have I gone too far?

    winner!

  31. jonrmcleod says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    If I ever write that post, I’ll have to use that one.

    Good and evil defensive pairing: Dave Manson and Cory Cross. “Manson passes the puck to Satan for the breakaway!”

  32. kinger_OIL says:

    Sergio Momesso just sounded cool. Pokey Reddick: I still laugh when I hear that name: he was so bad a goalie if I recall.

  33. Bruce McCurdy says:

    jonrmcleod:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    If I ever write that post, I’ll have to use that one.

    Good and evil defensive pairing: Dave Manson and Cory Cross. “Manson passes the puck to Satan for the breakaway!”

    You have Charlie Manson on the side of good, eh. Hmmm.

  34. The Hermit says:

    czar: Roman Hamrlik and Carl Dykhuis or have I gone too far?

    Grant Clitsome

  35. czar says:

    jonrmcleod,

    Do you have a spot for Jeff Christian (18 NHL games) on your team?

  36. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    Bruce McCurdy: You have Charlie Manson on the side of good, eh. Hmmm.

    Just a misunderstood musician, don’t you know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOTnvPE_LMY

  37. czar says:

    kinger_OIL,

    Jeff Hackett seemed like I good name for a goalie.

  38. czar says:

    I see the line and I’m going to cross it.

    Mark Fitzpatrick, good night!

  39. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    czar:
    kinger_OIL,

    Jeff Hackett seemed like I good name for a goalie.

    Better than Lehtonen.

    “How many you Lehtonen tonight, Kari?”

  40. John Chambers says:

    I don’t normally contribute anything of value to this fine blog, but this is 2.5 mins well spent.

    Funny hockey player names story: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4fYVteC8jo

    Hehehe Puppa

  41. Numenius says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I like the guys with opposite names, like relief pitcher Grant Balfour or golfer Jason Dufner. There are many more, those two just pop into my head.

    I take it you meant “apposite”?

  42. Chris Hext---formerly EasyOil--- says:

    Surely Tyler Pitlick enters the conversation here in terms of excellent hockey names?

  43. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    John Chambers,

    Pretty funny – and it gets me off the hook from having the most offensive post.

    Any time defense of Charlie comes in number two… well…

  44. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Chris Hext—formerly EasyOil—:
    Surely Tyler Pitlick enters the conversation here in terms of excellent hockey names?

    Lance Pitlick has it all over Tyler.

  45. HiddenDarts says:

    CJ Stretch is still one of the best hockey names ever. Shame he won’t have much of a career.

  46. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Numenius: I take it you meant “apposite”?

    “apposite” very good. So, opposite apposite, kinda sorta.

  47. Derek says:

    I had to look it up to make sure I spelt it correctly: Zarley Zalapski

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=5846

    Apparently born in Edmonton?

    What a name.

  48. rich says:

    You can’t leave Sheldon Kannegiesser out of the conversation.

  49. oliveoilers says:

    West Ham vs. Arsenal, mid-90s

    Julian Dicks & David Seaman

    Priceless BBC commentary:

    “Dicks rushes towards the box. Seaman dribbles out under pressure…..”

  50. jonrmcleod says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    No, Cross was the good guy.

  51. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    oliveoilers: “Dicks rushes towards the box. Seaman dribbles out under pressure…..”

    Reminds me of something I heard on a US hockey broadcast a while back

    “He just wants to get it in deep, and get off.”

  52. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    Uh oh – I’m on a moderation list now. The Charlie defense was just a little joke, LT – honestly!

  53. wordbird says:

    jonrmcleod,

    Warren Skorodenski, Wade Dubielewicz and Pekka Rautakallio say hi!

  54. wheatnoil says:

    I may have missed it if someone else already mentioned him but I can’t let this thread pass without Hakan Loob.

  55. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    wheatnoil,

    As Zappa would say, “Lube from the north…”

  56. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ohhh a name thread!

    my favorite topic.

    Of recent vintage: “Kirill Tulupov” still puts me over the edge.

    An old favorite from baseball: “Rusty Kuntz”

    And probably the most pleasurable name to say: “Willie Stargell” A perfect name.

    For hilarious pithy comments… my favorite is re: Ty Cobb, “He’d climb a mountain to punch an echo.”

  57. Lowetide says:

    About three in the morning, my brain rose up and insisted I type “Corey Pecker” into this thread.

  58. PhrankLee says:

    After games in the old Highway 14 league in the 80’s we would listen to Rod Phillips calling the games. Important times for me.

    Not realizing it was a lone guy my mom, bless her, asked about the dangerous duo of Hawk and Loob.

    Ha ah. Miss that kind of laugh.

  59. jimmers2 says:

    LT wins the thread with a late-inning single!

    Speaking of singles, I’ll type in Joel Auto.

  60. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Recent Oilers AHL/ECHL player Austin Fyten.

  61. Sugar Reijo says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Boris Fistric

    Boris Fistric would make a good Bond villain’s name. And an even better porn name.

  62. vishcosity says:

    On Friday, alongside China’s announcement that it had bought over 600 tons of gold in “one month”, the PBOC released another very important data point: its total foreign exchange reserves, which declined by $17.3 billion to $3,694 billion.

    The article goes on to quote JP Morgan:

    “This brings the cumulative capital outflow over the past five quarters to $520bn.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-21/chinas-record-dumping-us-treasuries-leaves-goldman-speechless

    Also, we got the gig and are shooting vineyards in Sonoma, with a cheque down. which is lucky because we had $8 and a half roll of quarters.

    Ethan Bear. Has the intimidation levels of Garth Butcher already.

  63. stush18 says:

    Real productive talk about hockey today gents. Really pushed forward to new ground. Lol

    Seriously, this is why this place rocks. Hardly a mention of actual hockey, yet I still read to the end.

  64. Pouzar says:

    Gotta be a “Mulva” in the NHL?

  65. GCW_69 says:

    Derek:
    I had to look it up to make sure I spelt it correctly: Zarley Zalapski

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=5846

    Apparently born in Edmonton?

    What a name.

    I went to high school with him. Only person I have ever known whose dream was to be a Hartford Whaler.

    Also, had an ego the size of a small moon.

  66. Mad Professor says:

    Uwe Krupp.

    …Drops Mic…

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