PAIGINISM

The more I read about Ziyat Paigin, the more interesting he becomes. As an Oilers fan who remembers the promise of Vayzmikin, it’s been a long long time waiting for Russia to bless us with her most gifted children. Which is kind of a surprise, because the weather is so very similar.

OILERS DRAFTING RUSSIANS IN BROAD DAYLIGHT

  1. L Igor Vyazmikin, 252nd overall in 1987 (4 NHL games)
  2. D Vladimir Zubkov, 208nd overall in 1988
  3. C Anatoli Semenov, 120th overall in 1989 (362 NHL games, he was a real player)
  4. C Sergei Yashin, 141st overall in 1989
  5. G Evgeny Belosheiken, 232nd overall in 1991
  6. L Alexander Kerch, 60th overall in 1993 (5 NHL games)
  7. F Oleg Maltsev, 241st overall in 1993
  8. D Ilya Byakin, 267th overall in 1993 (57 NHL games, talented)
  9. R Dimitrius Shulga, 162nd in 1994
  10. D Sergei Yerkovich, 68th overall in 1997
  11. G Alex Fomitchev, 231st overall in 1997
  12. L Oleg Smirnov, 144th overall in 1998
  13. R Maxim Spiridonov, 241st overall in 1998
  14. D Alexei Semenov, 36th overall in 1999 (211 NHL games)
  15. L Alexei Mikhnov, 17th overall in 2000 (2 NHL games, first-round pick)
  16. D Alexander Ljubimov, 83rd overall in 2000
  17. F Evgeny Muratov, 274th overall in 2000
  18. D Ivan Koltsov, 106th overall in 2002
  19. F Mikhail Youkov, 72nd overall in 2003
  20. D Roman Tesliuk, 44th overall in 2004
  21. L Slava Trukhno, 120th overall in 2005
  22. F Alex Bumagin, 170th overall in 2006
  23. R Nail Yakupov, 1st overall in 2012 (192 NHL games, No. 1 overall)
  24. L Daniil Zharkov, 91st overall in 2012
  25. C Bogdan Yakimov, 83rd overall in 2013 (1 NHL game)
  26. L Anton Slepyshev, 88th overall in 2013
  27. D Ziyat Paigin, 209th overall in 2015

Since 1979, Edmonton has chosen 27 Russian men out of  358 total selections (7.5%), but they didn’t start the process until 1987 and this century has seen 13 picks (major uptick). Since Nail Yakupov was taken No. 1 overall in 2012, Edmonton is averaging over one Russian per draft, and that’s good news since the NHL has decided to undervalue them in recent years.

PAIGIN’S STORY

  • Alessandro Seren Rosso: Paigin is a very interesting prospect with great size (6’6”, 210 lbs.), good mobility, and an interesting overall package. Source
  • Alex Thomas, Oilers Rig: Slated to play for Ak Bars Kazan next season. He’s 6’6” and 210 lbs.
  • NHLE: 82GP, 2-2-4
  • 7GP, 1-2-3 at World Juniors
  • The Black Book: His play at the tournament has confimed his upside as well as the need for further development. He is still a bit of a project, on some games he shows flashes of good puck moving ability for such a tall defenseman, in others he struggles with easy plays.He may still be able to improve on some things training with pro, like on the accuracy of his
    powerful slap shot, but his game needs to evolve rather than a finishing touch.
  • ISS: “Like this player. Stay at home d-men that keeps his game simple and boxes out well. PK work was strong all tournament, willing to block shots. Big bodied physical defender with a long reach and good skating ability. Knows his limitations and doesn’t try to do too much. Strong performance at WJC helped move him into our rankings for 2015 NHL draft”.

Based on the scouting reports and some visual (he drives to the net against Robert Hagg here) this is a useful player. How far he develops is an open question and based on draft number we should be prepared to see him in the KHL for years to come. That said, it’s a pretty cool pick that could be a big plus if things turn out. You’d rather make that bet than a safe one at No. 209 overall.

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33 Responses to "PAIGINISM"

  1. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    High risk, high upside bets should be made late in the draft. Like what the Oilers did with the back end of their draft a lot. Still feeling a bit numb at how many picks were moved in a very strong draft, but I’ve always understood the Reinhart trade to be fair payment — a high price, but as it should be. The Talbot deal seems like very good value so overall it was a nice day.

    Hopefully Paigin gets some nice development. Project defensemen who are tall and rangy seem to take a while to arrive (Marincin, Gernat, even someone like Chara as well took time before he blossomed).

  2. Rondo says:

    Steve Kournianos the Draft Analyst regarding ZIYAT PAIGIN

    LHD ZIYAT PAIGIN: “Towering 6’6 defender who had a solid rookie season in the KHL and an even more impressive showing at the WJC. Has all the tools to be a top defender in any league. You just have to stomach the brutal turnovers.”

  3. RexLibris says:

    Rondo: Has all the tools to be a top defender in any league. You just have to stomach the brutal turnovers.

    Oh-No Bobo v2.0?

  4. Suntory Hanzo says:

    off topic: Can’t find a feed on the Eskies game anywhere.

    Anyone have a lead?

  5. Hammers says:

    Basically a no loose situation. To bad we haven’t made more picks similar to this in later rounds . Lowe and McT stayed away from Russians back in the day when the Canucks and others came up with some good picks .

  6. Lowetide says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    off topic:Can’t find a feed on the Eskies game anywhere.

    Anyone have a lead?

    Can’t find, sorry.

  7. Woodguy says:

    @EdmontonOilers: RT @Bob_Stauffer: Teddy Purcell has gone the Biosteel/Gary Roberts training route. Will skate with Taylor Hall and Connor McDavid mid’ Augu…

    That’s interesting.

    Sound like Purcell is going to work his ass off in his contract year.

    If he gets time with those two he might cash in somewhere.

  8. Woodguy says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    off topic:Can’t find a feed on the Eskies game anywhere.

    Anyone have a lead?

    It’s 4-3 at the half.

    You are missing nothing.

  9. Woodguy says:

    @Bob_Stauffer: Wouldn’t be surprised to see Oscar Klefbom getting signed to a long-term extension in the Jonas Brodin/Adam Larsson range by training camp

    That would be good to see too.

    $4 x 6 would be good.

  10. Optimism is Foolish says:

    Woodguy,

    might be a good opportunity to get a good return on him come deadline time. Salvage something out of the Gagne contract.

  11. speeds says:

    Woodguy:
    @Bob_Stauffer: Wouldn’t be surprised to see Oscar Klefbom getting signed to a long-term extension in the Jonas Brodin/Adam Larsson range by training camp

    That would be good to see too.

    $4 x 6 would be good.

    As @PunjabiOil ‏mentioned to me on twitter, and it’s a point we’ve talked about before re: Klefbom’s late birthday, if you think Klefbom is an equal D to Larsson, he should be getting paid less since Larsson’s six year deal covers 3 RFA years and 3 UFA years, while a 6 year deal for Klefbom would cover 5 RFA years and only 1 UFA year.

    *edit to add*

    One of the two RFA years difference comes from Klefbom’s late birthday, the other is because Larsson isn’t signing this deal from his ELC – he signed a 1 year deal to cover last year (900K) in his first post-ELC contract.

  12. jake70 says:

    Woodguy:
    @Bob_Stauffer: Wouldn’t be surprised to see Oscar Klefbom getting signed to a long-term extension in the Jonas Brodin/Adam Larsson range by training camp

    That would be good to see too.

    $4 x 6 would be good.

    Was thinking that too. That’s the Gilbert contract.

    Gilbert’s % of team cap each of first 4 years with Oil after signing that as 25 year old in April 2008.

    08-09 – 7.1%
    09-10 – 7%
    10-11 – 6.7%
    11-12 – 6.2%

    Klefbom = looks like he turned 22 a few days ago – with 4M cap hit, his % of team cap would be 5.6% this year. 6 years gets him to 28 years old.

    Think Godot or someone here has thrown out a few times to get him signed for 8x3M if you can – would be nice, seduce his camp with term.

  13. wheatnoil says:

    Woodguy:
    @Bob_Stauffer: Wouldn’t be surprised to see Oscar Klefbom getting signed to a long-term extension in the Jonas Brodin/Adam Larsson range by training camp

    That would be good to see too.

    $4 x 6 would be good.

    PunjabiOil on Twitter makes a valid comment that this would only be 1 UFA year. Still think it’s totally worth it given how RFA years are no longer coming as cheap. Would be even better if they got him for 7 years, but I sure wouldn’t be complaining at that number.

  14. jake70 says:

    Speeds, know you are a CBA guy, check my numbers, I’ve had a couple lol.

  15. anonymous says:

    Didn’t Anatoli semenov play defence?

  16. Ribs says:

    Looks like he could be Alexei Semenov version 2.0. Hopefully he’s got a few more smarts in him than Alexei, though. It was tough watching that guy. So many physical tools at his disposal, and then so little hockey sense. What a shame.

  17. wheatnoil says:

    speeds: …if you think Klefbom is an equal D to Larsson, he should be getting paid less since Larsson’s six year deal covers 3 RFA years and 3 UFA years, while a 6 year deal for Klefbom would cover 5 RFA years and only 1 UFA year.

    Brodin got pretty much an identical contract but I think they’re buying 2 UFA years (3 accrued seasons so far and he’ll be a UFA after 7 accrued seasons, if I’m understanding it right). Maybe they can get Klefbom signed on for 7 to off-set or get him at something a bit under the $4.1.

  18. Lowetide says:

    anonymous:
    Didn’t Anatoli semenov play defence?

    Alexei was the defenseman.

  19. Ryan says:

    Woodguy:
    @Bob_Stauffer: Wouldn’t be surprised to see Oscar Klefbom getting signed to a long-term extension in the Jonas Brodin/Adam Larsson range by training camp

    That would be good to see too.

    $4 x 6 would be good.

    Iirc you used to be season ticket holder… Any plans on ending the boycott?

  20. DenverOilFan says:

    Just saw this today while watching the tour. Not sure if you get this commercial in Canada, but thought it was worth sharing with you since it has Oilers content. Audio not great so turn up the speakers:

    https://youtu.be/SOWWm6ZRV2U

  21. anonymous says:

    Tha

    Lowetide: Alexei was the defenseman.

    Thats right. I missed him my first time through. I thought 1989 was a few years too early or my memory was going.

  22. Bank Shot says:

    Am I the only one who is wondering why the OIlers should pay full value for Klefbom after only one season in the NHL?

    I’m not sure Klefbom is going to be worth all that much more then four million even if he meets all expectations.

    I mean Hjalmarsson just signed a 5 year $4.1 million dollar contract at the age of 27.

    Wouldn’t it be better to pay Klefbom a lower salary for the next 2-3 years while we still are in the McDavid entry level bargain years?

    More money to beef up the rest of the team in the critical window before Mcdavid gets big, big money.

  23. SwedishPoster says:

    During these slow days of summer how about a William Lagesson interview? He made a short interview on swedish site hockeysverige.se. Here’s a quick translation:

    On Training Camp:
    “It was a lot of fun. There was a big interest surrounding it and I learnt a lot.”
    “I came there a week ahead and checked out the city, got to know a few of the players, worked out and so on. There were a lot of good players to compare yourself to.”
    “There are a lot of tests so you get to find out what you have to work on individually. You’re also learning what the the organization stands for, what they demand from you and also the kind of on ice systems and strategies the club have. It’s a great learning experience.”

    On the McDavid hype:
    “The hype was huge. Loads of people during practise and as soon as he stepped on the ice there was a big roar. When he scored it was like he had scored during a big game.”
    “Also media was chasing him all the time and something like 20 journalists around him as soon as he stepped off the ice. People followed our bus to get a look at him and of course all the attention was a lot of fun for the rest of us.”

    On McDavid as a player:
    “He’s very complete as a player. Both fast and very skilled but the most impressive part is his decision making, he makes the right call every time. He knew what to do as soon as he got the puck and read the game so he was 3-4 steps ahead of everyone else all the time.”
    “He’s also a great guy. Kind of quiet off the ice and nice to everyone. At the same time as soon as he steps on the ice he knows he’s number one and he shows it”

    On moving to NA last summer:
    “It was tough coming over, when you’re trying to get into a new family and get to know new teammates. A lot of new things in the beginning but once everything fell into place there was not much to do but to go as hard as you could. I had a few rough patches during the season but there’s no point in hanging your head over those. At the end it felt like a really good year and it was great getting a shot with the WJC team.”

    On how much moving over benefitted his WJC chances:
    “I think it helped a lot. The WJCs were played on the smaller rink and by the time the games started I had gotten used to the smaller ice. Plus I’ve heard from a lot of people that I’ve developed a lot from playing over here. Anyone who’s commented has said I developed my game a lot so it feels like I made a good decision.”

    On going to University of Massachusetts Amherst:
    “It felt great during my visit and it seems like a great school. I’ll get a big part on the team so it’s the right choice for me.”
    “My studies are ofc very important as well. When you’re in college you’re not even allowed to play if your grade aren’t good enough. I haven’t decided on a major yet but whatever it’ll be it’s a great security to have if my hockey career doesn’t work out. My main focus is hockey now but it won’t last forever. Feels good to have something to fall back on and know there’s a life beyond hockey.”

    A rough translation, there might be some swenglish in there but you’ll get the gist of it I think. A little sloppy from the reporter not to ask what exactly he’d improved over the year but what can you do.
    Interesting comments about McDavid but the players have to be so sick of getting questions on him. On the other hand it’s pretty nice letting someone else gather the spotlight and just go about your business in the background.

  24. Revolved says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Great stuff SP! I’m glad someone has their ear ear to the ground over here, keeping content coming in the middle of the night.

    I live in Stockholm, but am from Edmonton. I haven’t really managed to catch any hockey over here, but I thought you said a while ago that Kylington would play with AIK this year. Is that right? Any idea where they play or how to get tickets?

    Thanks!

  25. SwedishPoster says:

    Revolved,

    Yeah, unless he makes the Flames he’ll play for AIK. They play at Johanneshov, it’s in the Globen area so you get off at Globen subway station, you can buy tickets by the arena or on ticnet.se. There are always plenty of seats available and fairly cheap. Only time it might be less seats is when they play Leksand but those games are a lot of fun, despite me not being a fan of either team, and it’s never sold out.

  26. Revolved says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Great! I’ll check them out, even if Oliver is Flames property… Also, great stuff over at Nerdalert.

    Isn’t it a little unfortunate he won’t be playing in the SHL? AIK almost got relegated from Allsvenskan last year, even. Why is he playing for them?

    Think of that Oiler’s fans… Coming in last doesn’t get you a top prospect, but instead you have to defend your spot in the league!

  27. SwedishPoster says:

    Revolved,

    Might actually be a good thing, SHL tends to be a tough spot for young offensive D, they seem to develop better in allsvenskan tbh. Flames prospect or not, he’s a treat to watch when he’s on. Can flat out fly.

    For a swede the idea of getting rewarded when you finish last took some time getting used to. The relegation battle is such a huge deal of the sport.

  28. SwedishPoster says:

    Oh and the reason he plays for AIK is aside from what I mentioned above probably him being from Stockholm and having his family here and them being able to offer him a big role in the team.

  29. Revolved says:

    SwedishPoster,

    That’s a good reason for him to be in Stockholm. Certainly, given the state of the team, I suspect he’ll get his minutes. I’d love to see him play, given what I hear about it.

    Isn’t it a little strange that AIK doesn’t play in Solna? Or is just the football side of things that is so affiliated? I’d love to see some hockey in Friends Arena!

  30. blainer says:

    DenverOilFan:
    Just saw this today while watching the tour. Not sure if you get this commercial in Canada, but thought it was worth sharing with you since it has Oilers content. Audio not great so turn up the speakers:

    https://youtu.be/SOWWm6ZRV2U

    I wonder where it is Scrivens in that mental health ad that maybe there may have been some mental disability he was going through last year. That would explain a lot… If so by promoting the awareness of these kinds of problems hope he has received the help he or a family member needs and he will be much more ready this year.

  31. oliveoilers says:

    Bank Shot:
    Am I the only one who is wondering why the OIlers should pay full value for Klefbom after only one season in the NHL?

    I’m not sure Klefbom is going to be worth all that much more then four million even if he meets all expectations.

    I mean Hjalmarsson just signed a 5 year $4.1 million dollar contract at the age of 27.

    Wouldn’t it be better to pay Klefbom a lower salary for the next 2-3 years while we still are in the McDavid entry level bargain years?

    More money to beef up the rest of the team in the critical window before Mcdavid gets big, big money.

    No, I wondered the same and posted as such the other day. Can’t help thinking that we’d be setting up another Horcoff situation if he doesn’t pan out. Getting big bucks when he’s just not that player. Not his fault, he’s not going to turn down that money. But the fans would turn on him pretty quick if he isn’t as good as first thought and his contract stops us getting somebody else.

  32. Lewis Grant says:

    Bank Shot: Bank Shot says:
    July 26, 2015 at 12:17 am

    Am I the only one who is wondering why the OIlers should pay full value for Klefbom after only one season in the NHL?

    No.

    I posted this a couple of threads ago:

    Can someone explain to me why Klefbom is any more of a sure thing than Marincin was at this point last year? Everybody around here had him pencilled in on the second pairing, even as I was trying to remind us of LT’s wise counsel: “defensemen develop by sundial”.

    Brodin finished something like 5th in Calder voting. Klef wasn’t even on the radar. Now we want to pay him $25M?

  33. Lewis Grant says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Man, that might be the best description I’ve read yet about McDavid.

    I believe this calls for a WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!

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