DON’T LET THE STARS GET IN YOUR EYES

I believe Darnell Nurse will be one of the top four defensemen in Edmonton on the final night of the 2015-16 season. There’s simply not enough to hold the young man back, even with wild recoveries from Nikita Nikitin and Andrew Ference. This is a transition season for the blue—Todd McLellan says they may carry EIGHT defensemen—and the Nurse situation is one of the main areas I’ll be watching this training camp.

  • Brad MacPherson: The former CHL players that are the best statistical comparables for Nurse are Pietrangelo, Phaneuf, Barker, Staal and Seabrook. Source

Darnell Nurse is tracking in a manner foreign to this observer of Oilers prospects. The bell curve hit the graph higher and the arc towers over the ghosts of Edmonton’s prospect defensemen-past. I’m confident Nurse wins the day in a fair open contest this fall but suspect the Oilers will send the young man to Bakersfield for some seasoning. Even with that, my guess is he’ll be in the starting lineup before Christmas and make quick work of the also-rans on the depth chart. He’s simply too good a player, by math and by eye, to keep away from this roster. Darnell Nurse is a perfect fit. Now.

If the Edmonton Oilers want to keep Darnell Nurse in the minors this season, they’ll need to sign Cody Franson or trade for an established defenseman. The current top-six blue offer little in the way of real competition. After Andrej Sekera, Mark Fayne and Oscar Klefbom, traffic is clear and there are no other lights on the horizon that compare to this young man. Seriously.

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The 2008-09 Grand Rapids Griffins boasted some nice rookies, led by 21-year old college grad Justin Abdelkader. Abdelkader was a 2nd rd pick in 2005, and his AHL rookie scoring rate (.684) and size (6.01, 212) suggested that if Abdelkader was going to have an NHL career, it would be as a two-way or checking forward. His resume had some secondary bullets of note (agitator, could play center or wing) and he adjusted quickly to the AHL game (he made the AHL All-rookie team in 2008-09).  Abdelkader arrived as a semi-regular in 2009-10 and moved up the depth chart until he arrived at the projected role (two-way depth forward who could chip in offensively) and that’s a useful player.

I think that’s a reasonable line in the sand for the Bakersfield Condors from here on out. Anton Slepyshev may be the final pure skill guy to run through the AHL program this decade and I’m not kidding. The Oilers farm club is going to produce checkers, two-way forwards, defensemen and a goalie or two. And you know what? That’s what the AHL should be producing for Edmonton, the Chimera’s, the Pisani’s, the Brodziak’s, the Stoll’s.

TEN YEARS OF AHL ROOKIES (FORWARDS)

ROOKIES OVER A DECADE FORWARDSI’m using Abdelkader as the line in the sand for Oilers prospects and went back a decade for some comparison. There are some talented players here, they had careers or are still playing—almost all of them in Europe. Toni Rajala wanted to play in Europe and the Oilers released him outright; Rob Schremp was lost to waivers; Magnus Paajarvi was traded; Marc Pouliot and Liam Reddox left via free agency, and on it goes.

I think the lesson of the Oilers is twofold:

  • The club has had difficulty at the draft table, including a tendency to draft for need (Musil, Moroz) when exceptional value remained available.
  • The Oilers have a delay in their development model that catches too many legit prospects/players and spits them out during a period where they remain useful. Recent examples of that include (but are not limited to) Devan Dubnyk, Jeff Petry, Martin Marincin, Tobias Rieder, Erik Gustafsson, Jason Chimera, Kyle Brodziak, Andrew Cogliano, Chris VandeVelde, Colin McDonald and others. All of these men, in one way or another, were unable to convince management of their value.

We can say “Peter Chiarelli changes all that” but I’d like to see proof. This season. If your son was drafted by the Edmonton Oilers, would you be thrilled? Would you be secure in the knowledge that the organization would put your boy in the best possible situation to succeed? Among the major jobs Peter Chiarelli must undertake—beginning this season—is to exorcise the part of the organization that believes slow-playing the prospects is a fine idea, that feels Jeff Petry’s flaws are somehow so substantial he cannot earn a long-term deal at full blow, that endorses trading Martin Marincin for crimes real or imagined. One more thing: Riddle me why the Oilers don’t see enough in Erik Gustafsson to sign him but has the Chicago Blackhawks interested enough to sign him and discuss the defender as a 2015-16 option?

If you could add Jeff Petry and Martin Marincin to Andrej Sekera, Oscar Klefbom, Mark Fayne, Eric Gryba and Darnell Nurse, would you be better off today? The mind simply boggles.

The Edmonton Oilers make addled decisions about hockey players, which is problematic because they make a lot of decisions about hockey players. Peter Chiarelli needs to fix this, starting day one Bakersfield. Play Greg Chase, dummies. He might be Justin Abdelkader but you have to give him the opportunity to show you. Starting opening night 2015. Slow-play, my ass. Stop this silly damn policy.

The flying McDavid’s, Edmonton chapter. I’ll see it in my lifetime.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A cracking show today as we get set for the hockey!!! 10 o’rock, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Scott Burnside, ESPN. Scott is attending the NHL’s pre-season media event so we’ll get the latest on everything.
  • Jonathan Willis, Cult of Hockey. We’ll discuss the Oilers rookie camp, McDavid’s first camp and try to put this fall in historic context.
  • Tom Lynn, Veritas Hockey. A former NHL GM and asst. GM, now an agent. We’ll talk about the large number of free agents looking for invites and what that can mean to a player trying to hang on for another season.
  • Guy Flaming, Pipeline Show. Guy spoke to Auston Matthews this week, we’ll discuss the young man’s decision and its possible impact. Also touch on Oil Kings and Oilers rookie camp.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. On my way!

 

 

 

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100 Responses to "DON’T LET THE STARS GET IN YOUR EYES"

  1. leadfarmer says:

    If Slappy is the last pure skill guy in the minors for this team then this team does not know how the draft works. They need to aim for top 6 players and top 4 defensemen for at least the first 100 picks. Good drafting teams are considered good drafting teams because they went for home runs with most of their picks and a few turned out, and not because they drafted and developed a bunch of bottom role players. Farm teams need to produce inexpensive players to fill in for older, declining players or players with high contracts that can be moved, especially with the salary cap that is not moving. You can get role players for cheap on the market, that it doesn’t make sense to waste draft picks, years of development, and money for a guy that could turn out to be a guy that is already developed and you can sign him for cheap.

    In regards to Gustaffson, we have so many defensemen right now in the same stage of development, aka the AHL, that unfortunately someone is going to fall through the cracks and i dont think Gustaffson is the last.

  2. dustrock says:

    LT – what do you mean by “slow-playing the prospects”? Haven’t we been saying for years that they are rushing prospects to the bigs and not giving them a proper development path?

    Or is this a knock at playing the likes of Acton, Hamilton, Hunt et al?

  3. Ducey says:

    •The Oilers have a delay in their development model that catches too many legit prospects/players and spits them out during a period where they remain useful. Recent examples of that include (but are not limited to) Devan Dubnyk, Jeff Petry, Martin Marincin, Tobias Rieder, Erik Gustafsson, Jason Chimera, Kyle Brodziak, Andrew Cogliano, Chris VandeVelde, Colin McDonald and others. All of these men, in one way or another, were unable to convince management of their value.

    Sorry LT, but that makes no sense.

    Petry (~300 gp for the Oilers), DD (5 NHL seasons), Cogliano (328 gp), Chimera (130 gp), Brodziak (175 gp)have nothing to do with development. They were cast off/ dealt as established players when the Oilers clearly knew/ should have known what they had.

    Some guys needed a change of scenery. Cogs bristled at the concept of being a checker when he was with EDM. When he went to ANA, he had no choice. Cogs is not a reflection of a development model problem. To say he was the subject of “delay” …well, he likely wasn’t delayed enough.

    Most of the rest are fringe guys – including your man Marincin. I don’t think McDonald or VDV were holding back the Oilers from greatness.

  4. PhrankLee says:

    I agree wholly with playing them in important roles both Europe and the AHL. Coming out of Jr. the biggest difference is that you are now playing against men.

    The more TOI in development the better.

    The slow play works well at the NHL level because it is the destination.

    The slow play strategy in development leagues is counteractive and boggles the mind, indeed.

  5. RexLibris says:

    I think what LT is arguing here is that the Oilers buy a new car at the draft, let it sit in the garage for 6 months while they wax and polish the daylights out of it and then without giving the engine time to warm up they try to race it on the Autobahn.

    They need to create a space, a developmental petri dish (no pun intended) for prospects to play for an extended period of time at a level that is relative to their abilities or just a shade higher before being tasked with becoming NHL regulars.

    Instead the Oilers block their path with veterans who are gifted the development minutes and have likely already exhausted their potential and then seem to punish the prospects for failing to become ingenues in spite of their handling.

    Jeff Petry is the most successful AHL developed player in the Oilers system since Horcoff and he was given extended time to develop in the NCAA and then time in the AHL.

    There is a place for AHL veterans in a support role, but the it is crucial that the success of the team not be predicated on their becoming a core contributor. If so, then this is your proverbial canary in the coalmine of your drafting and development process to say that it is deeply flawed.

  6. Jaxon says:

    I certainly wish the Oilers didn’t miss out on college guys like Kenney Morrison (Calgary) and Trevor Van Riemsdyk (Chicago). I’m sure Van Riemsdyk wasn’t interested so you can’t really blame Edmonton for that but Morrison should have been a shoe-in. He attended Oilers camp in 2013 and is from Lloydminster. They couldn’t convince him to come to his hometown team, which is in need of big right handed D? I find that hard to believe. Someone dropped the ball. Now we have to endure Dougie Hamilton and Kenney Morrison haunting us from Calgary for the next decade.

  7. Lowetide says:

    The Oilers develop players for other teams. If you’re fine with that, proceed.

  8. Hammers says:

    Your list tells us how many mistakes the team made .do something’s do start now .

  9. BrazilianOil says:

    IMO the AHL, will be better and more interesting having a age maximum, let’s say 24, and working like a real development and minor league, letting the players go up and down without waiver risk.

    Even the rivality between teams will be bigger.

  10. Kmart99 says:

    tsn1260 online feed not working….. anyone else experiencing this?

  11. "Steve Smith" says:

    I find that Stamkos quote surprising – exciting, certainly, but I’d have thought that an elite player like Stamkos would believe that he could be the best in the world, even if nobody else does.

  12. TheGreatMcMutato says:

    Darnell Nurse is tracking well towards becoming my favorite member of the Oilers. This is something that will happen in the next few years and will require spending more money on another damned jersey.

    Also, happy Tuesday everyone!

  13. Jordan says:

    Kmart99,

    Stream died for me to. Resorting to listen

    ing to CBC at work.

  14. G Money says:

    Speaking of development and the “Detroit Model”.

    During his entire tenure with the Wings, no player aged 21 or younger played more than half a season for the Red Wings.

    Not one.

    And only two 22-year-olds played a full season: Filppula in ’06 and Jurco in ’14.

    Basically, if you were under 23, you didn’t make the Red Wings roster under Babcock.

    Probably safe to say that the apprenticeship during that time includes all kinds of TOI in all situations.

    I like Rex’s analogy. The Oilers keep their shiny new things in the garage for a few months, then drive them out of the garage and immediately redline them on the racetrack. Any mechanical problems that develop are blamed on the vehicle.

    I actually like that we’re arguing whether Nurse will be in the AHL this year. Some would argue that him being in the NHL this year would be “rushing” it, but that’s not actually true (except if you’re comparing to Detroit).

    He’s already seasoned an extra year in the OHL and a handful of AHL games. If he does make the NHL, and it’s an IF because he has to win out over a handful of NHL vets and a fellow rookie with more time and pro experience, but if he does it, he won’t be asked to play top-pairing duty right away.

    It’s not perfect, but it’s starting to resemble an actual development model.

  15. Jordan says:

    Kmart99,

    stream working again.

  16. stush18 says:

    leadfarmer,

    That’s a good point about gustafsson. I keep hoping musil isn’t pushed out due to the new and shinier dmen.

    By my eye there is s player there. Watching him play he wasn’t too slow, and actually had s very good outlet pass. He was also our nastiest dman.

    The only problem is the logjam of left dmen who offer more in range of skills.

  17. Java on Ice: NHL Must-Reads for September 8 - TSS says:

    […] Nurse doesn’t need time in the minors before making the job to the Edmonton Oilers roster. He’s ready now, writes Lowetide over at […]

  18. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    Kmart99:
    tsn1260 online feed not working….. anyone else experiencing this?

    Try it using IE (I know…). The stream wouldn’t work for me a while ago, and when I tried it with IE I got a message saying that Silverlight needed to be updated. That fixed it for my regular browser.

  19. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:
  20. kinger_OIL says:

    Cam Barker says hello – please let Nurse show his stuff, before setting up expectations that a Junior Hockey player is going to straight line to top-4 D by the end of his first year in the NHL

  21. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Connor McDavid listed as 6’1″ 209lbs in the Rookie roster on Edmonton Oilers.com. Wow he’s the same weight as Leon now. Very good summer indeed!

  22. RexLibris says:

    JD¡™ David O’Connor’s Reel:
    Roster:

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=107369&navid=DL|EDM|home

    FI-nally!

    Thanks for that.

    Just waiting on those hedonistic hare-running ingrates from down south now. 🙂

  23. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    Hockeyman 99: Wow he’s the same weight as Leon now.

    Caution – I hear sports related inflation issues can now be actionable.

  24. RexLibris says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    Connor McDavid listed as 6’1″ 209lbs in the Rookie roster on Edmonton Oilers.com. Wow he’s the same weight as Leon now. Very good summer indeed!

    What do you expect from a guy who’s carrying the weight of an entire franchise on his shoulders.

  25. godot10 says:

    The Lowetide “hate-on” for Griffin Reinhart is in full flower. He has this “MacT-shall-not-ever mention-Marincin” thing going on with Reinhart.

    Even Smid was not so “disappeared” by Lowetide.

  26. godot10 says:

    Nurse has to be playing top 4D by the end of training camp to NOT be assigned to Bakersfield. Reinhart has to be playing top 6D by the end of training camp to NOT be assigned to Bakersfield. Reinhart has a years experience in the AHL, so he can take the reduced 3rd pairing minutes. Nurse needs 20 plus minutes of playing time.

  27. RexLibris says:

    Todd McLellan says they may carry EIGHT defensemen

    When I think about this, I can’t help but imagine that McLellan discussed the D corps with Chiarelli and was told that there are plans to move out one of the RH veterans as soon as it becomes available, hence the message about carrying 8 defenseman from the starting point. Rotate them through on a regular basis so that when you finally are able to send away one of Nikitin, Ference or even Schultz that you have the next body ready at-hand.

  28. slopitch says:

    The Oilers have a development problem and the Oilers have been developing players for other teams are not the same statement. The Oilers problem has been management for far too long. They have been among the weakest management teams for a while now and were exploited because of it. Not signing Jeff Petry and locking in Nikitin and Ference is a knock against the entire staff but for the most part the player and the development team did their job.

  29. striatic says:

    RexLibris,

    it also allows for resting an aging vet like Ference or accounting for injury. There are lots of reasons to carry 8 D. Teams do it often enough in the playoffs and I’ve never understood why the same logic shouldn’t apply to the regular season, especially when the final forward on the roster often only plays between 2 and 5 minutes a game.

  30. RPG says:

    RexLibris,

    Agreed, the best players need to play. That was a concept that was lost on Eakins. That likely means Ference needs to ride the pine. It’s an easy concept to talk about, but it’s difficult to do when the player in the press box happens to also be the captain, and still under contract for two years, My best guess is this is going to be the most important story to watch during training camp. If the Oilers start the season with presumably the best possible lineup from day 1, will the captain be in the lineup? I hope the answer is no.

  31. RexLibris says:

    striatic:
    RexLibris,

    it also allows for resting an aging vet like Ference or accounting for injury. There are lots of reasons to carry 8 D. Teams do it often enough in the playoffs and I’ve never understood why the same logic shouldn’t apply to the regular season, especially when the final forward on the roster often only plays between 2 and 5 minutes a game.

    It hampers the ability to rotate through forwards and carry an extra C in case of injury.

    7D is a common enough redundancy for the roster.

    8D is overkill, unless you’ve got someone injured that you don’t want to place on IR.

    Or, in the case of the Oilers, you have some bodies you wish you could IR…right out the door.

    The danger is if they carry 8D and then HS two young guys who should be playing (developing, in keeping the theme of the day) in place of veterans who are well into their decline and are not likely to help the team’s on-ice performance in any meaningful way.

  32. Snowman says:

    I think the carrying 8D also lends itself to the idea of running three lines heavily and having a 4th line used very little. Say something like 18/18/16/8 for time on ice for the forward lines.

  33. LoDog says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    Connor McDavid listed as 6’1″ 209lbs in the Rookie roster on Edmonton Oilers.com. Wow he’s the same weight as Leon now. Very good summer indeed!

    I was thinking wow that’s awesome and then saw Nurse listed at 193 so don’t think those numbers are accurate.

  34. Магия 10 says:

    godot10:
    Nurse has to be playing top 4D by the end of training camp to NOT be assigned to Bakersfield.Reinhart has to be playing top 6D by the end of training camp to NOT be assigned to Bakersfield. Reinhart has a years experience in the AHL, so he can take the reduced 3rd pairing minutes.Nurse needs 20 plus minutes of playing time.

    This.

    Fair is giving these guys the minutes they need where they need them.

    Reinhart as 7D in the NHL makes no sense, but he could show that 3rd pair in the NHL is where he needs to be now. Or maybe it’s more top pair time in the AHL.

    Nurse as 5-6D in the NHL makes no sense until top pair responsibility in the AHL fills some holes that Junior play can’t. Even if your positives swamp your negatives, you still need the right development path to deal with both. Suspect Willis is right when he figures Nurse does not move to the NHL before November

  35. Магия 10 says:

    RexLibris: 8D is overkill, unless you’ve got someone injured that you don’t want to place on IR

    8D is for NMC guys if the results on the ice this year suggest they should retire.

  36. Pouzar says:

    I’ll never understand how playing bottom pair is supposed to impede Nurse’s development.
    Can someone please explain.

  37. speeds says:

    Pouzar,

    could play more minutes in the AHL, along with more minutes on both special teams units that he might not get, or greatly reduced, in the NHL.

    I don’t know if the thought is that it necessarily “impedes” him if he can handle those minutes, or that he’d see more progression playing more minutes in the AHL.

  38. vishcosity says:

    “If your son was drafted by the Edmonton Oilers, would you be thrilled? Would you be secure in the knowledge that the organization would put your boy in the best possible situation to succeed?”

    Corporate management on the brink of bankruptcy often will make reckless decisions: gambling on improbable long shots while ignoring the small fish. Since Pronger left I think mgmt has resembled a near bankrupt organization.

    I fully expect that the Oilers, if they drafted my boy, would have treated him like a losing army throws troops at useless objectives that media has propped up to be emotionally important to the civilians who’s kids are dying daily.

    06 – 14, If my boy went after the second round to Edm, I would have absolutely advised him to pull a Schultz and head to the NCAA. Gratefully, the boy isn’t nearly mean enough to even survive the WHL.

    —-

    Missed the Smith’s thread, but if you’re doing one for MacT, can I request Frankly Mr. Shankly?

  39. leadfarmer says:

    Hockeyman 99,

    Well he has been drinking with Hall the whole summer so.

    At least thats the bashing I will expect when they have a picture at a bar together.

  40. Pouzar says:

    Yeah the Patriots never ever cheated.

    http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

    “In fact, many former New England coaches and employees insist that the taping of signals wasn’t even the most effective cheating method the Patriots deployed in that era. Several of them acknowledge that during pregame warm-ups, a low-level Patriots employee would sneak into the visiting locker room and steal the play sheet, listing the first 20 or so scripted calls for the opposing team’s offense. “

  41. Магия 10 says:

    Pouzar:
    I’ll never understand how playing bottom pair is supposed to impede Nurse’s development.
    Can someone please explain.

    Nothing is going to block Nurse’s development. More playing time will accelerate it. Interesting case in that his strengths might justify 3rd NHL pair. Whether it takes 2 months or a year he does have holes such that maximum tough comp minutes in the AHL could accelerate his development. With those dealt with he might reach 2nd pair NHL quicker.

  42. blainer says:

    flyfish1168:
    Excellent article on Nail.
    http://thehockeywriters.com/the-oilers-forgotten-man/

    There is just no way Yak will be playing with hall and CMD with his D problems. Playing him on a line with Poo and Lander makes sense.. 15 to 16 mins per night would be close to a line 2.. Line 1 A. Drai Nuge and ebs.. Line 1B. Hall CMD and Purcell..

  43. Hammers says:

    There is a greater possibility that Reinhart plays before Nurse so I suggest you get used to the idea .problem is who sits .

  44. Czar says:

    flyfish1168,

    Thanks for the link.

  45. hunter1909 says:

    slopitch: The Oilers problem has been management for far too long. They have been among the weakest management teams for a while now and were exploited because of it. Not signing Jeff Petry and locking in Nikitin and Ference is a knock against the entire staff

    Kevin 6 cups Lowe and Craig wearsglasses MacT completely ran the team that Sather built into that 2006 game 7 where they never looked once like winning; followed by the winners of multiple cups then driving Laraque out of town, just in time to mock their young replacement players who possibly weren’t tough enough to take on 30 year old NHL players.

    “Development” under Lowe+MacT consisted of being left to rot on the farm, getting dropped into top 6 roles straight out of junior, a rotating goalie shiteshow which wasted a DECADE developing Devan Dubnyk for the Minnesota Wild…

    Trades to the LAKings which gave them their Stanley Cup winning role-players, a coaching carousel which included a genuine bona fide freak, making the list of transgressions for this pair is endless. Soon there’s going to be a business school PHD – studying a decade and a half of futility.

    Petry getting “challenged” on his way to UFA takes the freaking biscuit.

  46. pocession charge says:

    blainer: There is just no way Yak will be playing with hall and CMD with his D problems. Playing him on a line with Poo and Lander makes sense.. 15 to 16 mins per night would be close to a line 2.. Line 1 A.Drai Nuge and ebs.. Line 1B. Hall CMD and Purcell..

    In reality, there is a very good chance that Yakupov will get some time on that line. No NHL lines are static due to performance and injury. Also, you single out Yakupov’s defensive problems but none of Purcell, Draisaitl, Eberle, or Hall can be considered strong defensive players.

  47. "Steve Smith" says:

    hunter1909: Kevin 6 cups Lowe and Craig wearsglasses MacT completely ran the team that Sather built into that 2006 game 7 where they never looked once like winning; followed by the winners of multiple cups then driving Laraque out of town, just in time to mock their young replacement players who possibly weren’t tough enough to take on 30 year old NHL players.

    This is easily the most Hunter paragraph ever written.

  48. pocession charge says:

    Jaxon:
    Now we have to endure Dougie Hamilton and Kenney Morrison haunting us from Calgary for the next decade.

    Perhaps you’re jumping the gun a bit on Morrison. The guy has never played a game in the NHL and has no established level of ability. He could be a replacement level player for all we know. The Calgary defence hyberbole is getting a bit out of hand.

  49. flyfish1168 says:

    blainer: There is just no way Yak will be playing with hall and CMD with his D problems. Playing him on a line with Poo and Lander makes sense.. 15 to 16 mins per night would be close to a line 2.. Line 1 A.Drai Nuge and ebs.. Line 1B. Hall CMD and Purcell..

    When you say his D problems I hope you mean with eakins terrible D systems where even our dmen looked bad and everyone else. When Yak was with Nelson and Kruger he was -11 and one of our better forecheckers and didn’t look look out of place. A proper NHL system means a lot and eakins is FIRED because he ill prepared and don’t understand how to deal with the room and players. G Money had some very good stats showing how well Yak played after eakins , seek it out. Read the article to the link i provided. A good coach makes a world of difference. lots of good things in the article

  50. Pajamah says:

    If MacT isn’t hereafter referred to as WearsGlasses, I will be greatly disappointed.

    Man, I would love to see him called this to his face, he would be so flustered.

    He was almost as bad a GM as Dallas HasHair Eakins was a coach.

  51. PhrankLee says:

    hunter1909: “Development” under Lowe+MacT consisted of being left to rot on the farm, getting dropped into top 6 roles straight out of junior, a rotating goalie shiteshow which wasted a DECADE developing Devan Dubnyk for the Minnesota Wild…

    I am endlessly frustrated with that situation. They seem to have an actual strategy for that position which has been absent for the entire century.

  52. oilswell says:

    slopitch:
    The Oilers have a development problem and the Oilers have been developing players for other teams are not the same statement. The Oilers problem has been management for far too long. They have been among the weakest management teams for a while now and were exploited because of it. Not signing Jeff Petry and locking in Nikitin and Ference is a knock against the entire staff but for the most part the player and the development team did their job.

    I agree. That list of players supports the argument that good players are developed in the AHL by the oilers. A problem of retention? Sure we can put players like Glencross on that pile. But for development stalling by lack of playing time, are Rajala and Hartikainen supporting that argument? Pisani? Chimera? Arcobello? Lander? Davidson? Are Nurse and Reinhart REALLY going to get stuck behind Hunt?

    I remain very skeptical that Oilers development model is entirely broken because questionable prospects can’t push some vets down the depth chart or off the team.

  53. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:


    Mark SpectorVerified account
    ‏@SportsnetSpec

    BREAKING – Sportsnet has learned that #Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli will GM the Young Stars (U23) team at the 2016 World Cup of Hockey.

  54. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    Pajamah: If MacT isn’t hereafter referred to as WearsGlasses

    Well with all the people using ‘TMac’ for McLellan, we do need a new name for MacT. But WearsGlasses with be inevitably shortened to WG, causing further confusion.

    How about HeWhoWearsGlasses? HWWG?

  55. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    JD¡™ David O’Connor’s Reel:

    Mark SpectorVerified account
    ‏@SportsnetSpec


    BREAKING – Sportsnet has learned that the GM of whichever team drafted McDavid will GM the Young Stars (U23) team at the 2016 World Cup of Hockey.

  56. Pajamah says:

    JD¡™ David O’Connor’s Reel,

    He Who Traded Petry.

    *steam blows from ears*

  57. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    Pajamah: He Who Traded Challenged Petry

    Like my dog and me – fixed.

  58. oilswell says:

    speeds:
    Pouzar,

    could play more minutes in the AHL, along with more minutes on both special teams units that he might not get, or greatly reduced, in the NHL.

    I don’t know if the thought is that it necessarily “impedes” him if he can handle those minutes, or that he’d see more progression playing more minutes in the AHL.

    Playing him bottom pair in the NHL means much of his opposition will be about the level of top opposition in the AHL so he will get fewer minutes overall. But he will have some time also against much, much better players too, which must surely also count as useful for a player with aspirations of top pairing (unlike, say, developing Davidson).

    Better access to coaching and more structured play at NHL. For guys that are physically mature enough and do not need to grow individual skills, but rather need to better learn the structured NHL game, could 3rd pair NHL a better fit sometimes?

  59. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!,

    In other riveting Spurtsnet news, Brisson says Kaner is innocent. Send the grand jury home, boys.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/patrick-kanes-agent-talks-to-sportsnet/

  60. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: I think what LT is arguing here is that the Oilers buy a new car at the draft, let it sit in the garage for 6 months while they wax and polish the daylights out of it and then without giving the engine time to warm up they try to race it on the Autobahn.

    Great metaphor, Rex.

  61. spoiler says:

    JD¡™ David O’Connor’s Reel:

    Mark SpectorVerified account
    ‏@SportsnetSpec


    BREAKING – Sportsnet has learned that #Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli will GM the Young Stars (U23) team at the 2016 World Cup of Hockey.

    Hmm, can’t imagine why.

  62. RexLibris says:

    spoiler: Hmm, can’t imagine why.

    Rex Codex Libris ‏@CodexRex 1m1 minute ago

    @FakeOilersGM @BruceMcCurdy Sam Bennett as 7th D or 3rd string goalie sounds like a good idea. Think outside the box, Peter.

  63. Lewis Grant says:

    Steve Stamkos:

    “I don’t want to talk about my contract situation, so let me deflect attention by making an unsubstantiated attention-grabbing statement that loads even more pressure on an 18-year-old. After all, my rookie year was a disappointment, so why shouldn’t his be too?”

    Thanks, Steve.

  64. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    spoiler: Hmm, can’t imagine why.

    Under the terms of KLowe relinquishing the PoHO title to Chiarelli, it’s stated that Peter can no longer be part of the Canadian team’s management committee.

    True story.

  65. Магия 10 says:

    spoiler: Hmm, can’t imagine why.

    Any thoughts on who moves up and down from the Sportsnet’s March assessment

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/2016-world-cup-of-hockey-team-young-guns-roster-projected-connor-mcdavid/

    FORWARDS

    Nathan MacKinnon
    Connor McDavid
    Jonathan Drouin
    Brandon Saad
    Jack Eichel
    Max Domi
    Ryan Strome
    Alex Galchenyuk
    Sean Monahan
    Mark Scheifele
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
    Boone Jenner
    Sean Couturier
    Johnny Gaudreau

    — cut —

    Jonathan Huberdeau
    Bo Horvat
    Linden Vey
    Curtis Lazar
    Matthew Nieto
    Sam Reinhart
    Anthony Duclair

    DEFENCE

    Aaron Ekblad
    Damon Severson
    Mathew Dumba
    Cody Ceci
    Seth Jones
    Jacob Trouba
    Morgan Rielly
    Dougie Hamilton
    Ryan Murray

    — cut —

    Noah Hanifin
    Griffin Reinhart
    Nathan Beaulieu
    Darnell Nurse
    Jamie Oleksiak

  66. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Магия 10,

    Not sure, but if I had to bet I’d say Max Domi moves off the list. Not sure who would replace him though.

  67. blainer says:

    pocession charge: In reality, there is a very good chance that Yakupov will get some time on that line.No NHL lines are static due to performance and injury.Also, you single out Yakupov’s defensive problems but none of Purcell, Draisaitl, Eberle, or Hall can be considered strong defensive players.

    Agreed.. that is why we cannot play Yak with these players.. He is the weakest by far and in my mind does connect with any of them, Put him with defensive responsible players like Lander and Poo and he should be ok..Maybe..

  68. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: Max Domi moves off the list

    Possibly Sam Reinhart.

    What will be very interesting, is how this team will fare in the tourney.

  69. blainer says:

    flyfish1168: When you say his D problems I hope you mean with eakins terrible D systems where even our dmen looked bad and everyone else. When Yak was with Nelson and Kruger he was -11 and one of our better forecheckers and didn’t look look out of place. A proper NHL system means a lot and eakins is FIRED because he ill prepared and don’t understand how to deal with the room and players.G Money had some very good stats showing how well Yak played after eakins , seek it out. Read the article to the link i provided. A good coach makes a world of difference. lots of good things in the article

    Actually read G Moey’s article at the time and while it was a good read we can all find good spurts with most players when we take different samples. I do agree Eakins was terrible and screwed up a lot of the players Yak included but my gord man Yak looked lost out there most of the time even with Kruger and nelson. I am confident that he will be traded by the deadline..

  70. LoDog says:

    So if you are 23 and under you have to be on that team and not a national team?

  71. Магия 10 says:

    blainer: Actually read G Moey’s article at the time and while it was a good read we can all find good spurts with most players when we take different samples. I do agree Eakins was terrible and screwed up a lot of the players Yak included but my gord man Yak looked lost out theremost of the time even with Kruger and nelson. I am confident that he will be traded by the deadline..

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2015/09/08/which-edmonton-oilers-player-will-have-the-biggest-bounce-back-year/

    Who will be the Oilers comeback player of the year in 2015-16?

    Nail Yakupov 41.28% (689 votes)
    Taylor Hall 39.78% (664 votes)
    Justin Schultz 9.59% (160 votes)
    Ben Scrivens 4.55% (76 votes)
    Nikita Nikitin 1.92% (32 votes)
    Mark Fayne 1.62% (27 votes)
    Teddy Purcell 0.72% (12 votes)
    Andrew Ference 0.54% (9 votes)

    Total Votes: 1,669

  72. Магия 10 says:

    LoDog:
    So if you are 23 and under you have to be on that team and not a national team?

    Yes.

  73. Bag of Pucks says:

    I don’t know how the Oilers could’ve been anymore patient in their development of Dubnyk than they were, and they only ‘spit ’em out’ after he was very gradually groomed into the starter role and promptly shat the bed with the brass ring in his hand. Some players can’t handle the pressure of playing in a Canadian market. It’s especially tough on goaltenders. Some of this has to land on the players’ shoulders.

    Certainly there was an element of giving up too quickly on players like Brodziak and Glencross when the team got distracted with whale hunts, but if anything, I think this team has been too patient with prospects at the pro level and those prospect mistakes have cost them points in the standings.

    It’s been a vicious cycle. Prospects didn’t marinate in the A because of a lack of depth at the pro level. And depth never occurred at the pro level or in the A cos junior prospects were rushed to the bigs and then washed out.

    A lot of this was due to the team always being on the cusp of financial viability. The touted draft picks got fast tracked cos there was literally nothing else to sell other than losing hockey. Between Katz’ deep pockets and Chiarelli’s commitment to competition throughout the org, you would hope the tide is turning on this?

    We look at players like Drai, Nurse and Reinhart as bellweathers for the new model. But of equal importance, does this club have the intestinal fortitude to demote a Schultz or Yakupov if that indeed is the right development decision for the player?

  74. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Магия 10: Yes.

    I think it’s only 23 and under North Americans. I believe Europeans still play for their home team.

    That or Sportsnet is shockingly racist.

  75. blainer says:

    Магия 10: http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2015/09/08/which-edmonton-oilers-player-will-have-the-biggest-bounce-back-year/

    Who will be the Oilers comeback player of the year in 2015-16?

    Nail Yakupov41.28%(689 votes)
    Taylor Hall39.78%(664 votes)
    Justin Schultz9.59%(160 votes)
    Ben Scrivens4.55%(76 votes)
    Nikita Nikitin1.92%(32 votes)
    Mark Fayne1.62%(27 votes)
    Teddy Purcell0.72%(12 votes)
    Andrew Ference0.54%(9 votes)

    Total Votes: 1,669

    Ya saw that and laughed… In order for that to happen he will have to play top six minutes and 1st PP.. and that ain’t happenen.. would love to see it though before he gets traded..

  76. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    You would lose Yakupov to waivers 100% of the time. I would bet any amount of money on that. So no, they wouldn’t have the intestinal fortitude to demote him.

  77. Магия 10 says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: I think it’s only 23 and under North Americans.I believe Europeans still play for their home team.

    Yes. Chia’s charged with that North American U24 team.

  78. Магия 10 says:

    blainer: Ya saw that and laughed… In order for that to happen he will have to play top six minutes and 1st PP.. and that ain’t happenen.. would love to see it though before he gets traded..

    Of course he’s not going to get get 100% of either of those without earning them. There’s an odd argument out there that runs he’s obviously not top 6… therefore he gets no top 6 time. In reality Hall & McDavid are going to be top line in some situations and second line in others and different players will slot in with them in different situations. His job is to master what TMac gives him and grow his utility in the top 6 from zero to hero. If he’s does that he will be the Oiler’s comeback story of the year. Fat lady is not even warming up her tonsils yet.

  79. Jesse says:

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  80. LoDog says:

    Магия 10: Yes.

    Thanks. Figured McDavid would have a shot at the big boy team otherwise.

  81. blainer says:

    Магия 10: Of course he’s not going to get get 100% of either of those without earning them. There’s an odd argument out there that runs he’s obviously not top 6… therefore he gets no top 6 time. In reality Hall & McDavid are going to be top line in some situations and second line in others and different players will slot in with them in different situations. His job is to master what TMac gives him and grow his utility in the top 6 from zero to hero. If he’s does that he will be the Oiler’s comeback story of the year. Fat lady is not even warming up her tonsils yet.

    There is some truth in what you say here no doubt. For me I have never really seen him that good. I am a big oilers fan and nothing would make me happier than for Yak to prove me wrong. I’ve been waiting almost four years now so I am not optimistic..

  82. G Money says:

    blainer: G Moey’s article at the time and while it was a good read we can all find good spurts with most players when we take different samples. I do agree Eakins was terrible and screwed up a lot of the players Yak included but my gord man Yak looked lost out there most of the time even with Kruger and nelson. I am confident that he will be traded by the deadline..

    a. if you cherry pick your samples to show a difference, then yes, you should obviously be suspicious of the results. “I looked at Yak’s results, and the results prior to 14:45 of the second period of game 55 are half the results after!”

    But if you use natural splits, that is to say, a split based on some exogenous event that you hypothesize may be significant (in my case, the split I used was pre- and post-Derek Roy, which seems pretty reasonable, yes? Alternatively, pre- and post-Eakins would be the other natural split), and you find a significant difference, it’s fair to ascribe at least part of the observed difference to the hypothesis.

    b. the point of my article was specifically to look at how “lost” Yak looked. Yes, it’s true that Yak scored at double the rate after Eakins left, and that is very significant. What I wanted to test was whether having a veteran C made a difference, and specifically whether he made a difference in the perception of Yak’s overall game, not just his scoring.

    The analysis was specifically reacting to someone who said “he’d NEVER seen Yak good”, which I knew was bullshit as I distinctly remember my delight in several games post-Eakins where Yak was by far the best player (on either team) on the ice.

    That’s why I used the Cult of Hockey player ratings as my statistic of choice.

    As I stated in the article, the number of times that Yak showed up as the, or tied for the, best player in the game was *very* significant – 1 in every 3 games after, none before. That distinctly contradicts the claim that Yak looked constantly lost under Nelson, does it not?

    The idea that he looked just as lost under Nelson as he did under Eakins I’d suggest is not actually your observation, its your confirmation bias in action.

  83. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    Bag of Pucks,

    You would lose Yakupov to waivers 100% of the time.I would bet any amount of money on that.So no, they wouldn’t have the intestinal fortitude to demote him.

    Fair point. So in many ways, Yakupov is a perfect example of a player who was rushed (given too many at bats) at the pro level and now they are pot committed to keeping him there cos the option of losing the asset to waivers is untenable.

    When he started to approach the age/GPs point at which he would no longer be waiver eligible, why would you keep a player in the bigs when he hasn’t established himself as a productive regular?

    It seems they bought into the meme that 1stOVs are too good to go back to junior at 18 and thus all the development decisions made on Yakupov since were predicated on that potentially mistaken assumption?

  84. G Money says:

    blainer: I’ve been waiting almost four years now so I am not optimistic..

    To add to the confirmation bias point: if you’ve been “waiting four years”, it suggests that you haven’t really processed the fact that, as a rookie, Yak not only led all other rookies in scoring that year, but he also led all Oilers in goal scoring. Go back and check, if you like. Yes, more goals than Hall. Yes, more goals than Eberle.

    It is once Eakins came on board that Yak’s game went in the toilet (as did the games of many of the Oilers), and didn’t come out until Eakins left.

    Of course, you can blame that on the player if you like.

    Regardless, even if you do choose to assume that the scoring levels in th epost-Eakins stretch of games were just some sort of random effect … if you’ve been waiting for four years for Yak to show you something, what exactly what were your expectations his *first* year?

  85. Bruce McCurdy says:

    G Money: But if you use natural splits, that is to say, a split based on some exogenous event that you hypothesize may be significant (in my case, the split I used was pre- and post-Derek Roy, which seems pretty reasonable, yes? Alternatively, pre- and post-Eakins would be the other natural split), and you find a significant difference, it’s fair to ascribe at least part of the observed difference to the hypothesis.

    I entirely agree with this principle. There are places for cherry picking, like “Edwin had a 26-game hitting streak” which by definition omit Game 0 and Game 27, but if you are just cross-sectioning a season I prefer natural splits like calendar month, before/after ASB; or a specific event like a coach-firing or linemate change as you say. That will generally give a fairer overview of how well a level of performance is maintained over time. It just kind of regulates the splits.

    At CoH I do an update after every 10 games, not just of player performance but of team. It always includes a section like this:

    Games 1 – 10: 4-5-1, .450 | 27 GF, 35 GA | 274 SF, 307 SA
    Games 11- 20: 2-7-1, .250 | 21 GF, 31 GA | 329 SF, 289 SA
    Games 21-30: 1-6-3, .250 | 17 GF, 35 GA | 262 SF, 279 SA
    Games 31-40: 2-4-4, .400 | 22 GF, 31 GA | 251 SF, 318 SA
    Games 41-50: 4-6-0, .400 | 25 GF, 31 GA | 267 SF, 280 SA
    Games 51-60: 4-5-1, .450 | 22 GF, 36 GA | 286 SF, 317 SA
    Games 61-70: 2-6-2, .300 | 25 GF, 34 GA | 292 SF, 305 SA
    Games 71-80: 5-4-1, .550 | 28 GF, 34 GA | 315 SF, 294 SA

    …which irons out the extremes of losing streaks & goal scoring droughts and the like while still revealing the remarkable detail that the Oilers scored under 30 goals AND allowed over 30 goals in every 10 game segment all season. Ugh. Not so much streaky and slumpy, as consistent suckitude.

  86. G Money says:

    Bag of Pucks: It seems they bought into the meme that 1stOVs are too good to go back to junior at 18 and thus all the development decisions made on Yakupov since were predicated on that potentially mistaken assumption?

    I do not think that was the error.

    Bloated sh% aside, Yak’s overall scoring levels his first year were right in line with Taylor Hall’s scoring. And as I noted earlier, Yak even scored more goals that year than did Hall.

    I’d say the issue is, was, and forever shall be Eakins.

    Perhaps he wasn’t smart enough to realize that good players, even ones as good as Nugent-Hopkins and Mackinnon, often backslide in their second years, an offshoot of pressure, higher expectations, and better game planning and coverage from the other teams.

    With coaching, support, and encouragement, talent will prevail, the player will push through.

    I don’t think we need to discuss Dallas Eakins’ coaching, do we?

    As for “support and encouragement”, benching, blaming, and ripping a not-even-sophomore in the media … man, ’nuff said. The Oilers’ reputation in the league of “ruining” 1OV picks is mostly undeserved.

    “Mostly” not entirely… because Yak.

    The last half of last year gave me hope that Yak still has a chance to find his way in this league after his abysmal treatment at the hands of Eakins and MacT. At least then justice would be served … for the player at least. MacT is still employed by the Oilers.

  87. Bruce McCurdy says:

    G Money: To add to the confirmation bias point: if you’ve been “waiting four years”, it suggests that you haven’t really processed the fact that, as a rookie, Yak not only led all other rookies in scoring that year, but he also led all Oilers in goal scoring.Go back and check, if you like.Yes, more goals than Hall.Yes, more goals than Eberle.

    It is once Eakins came on board that Yak’s game went in the toilet (as did the games of many of the Oilers), and didn’t come out until Eakins left.

    Of course, you can blame that on the player if you like.

    Regardless, even if you do choose to assume that the scoring levels in th epost-Eakins stretch of games were just some sort of random effect … if you’ve been waiting for four years for Yak to show you something, what exactly what were your expectations his *first* year?

    I’m trying to do the math on “four years”. Yak played his first NHL game in 2013. It’s 2015.

    Signed, Confused

  88. v4ance says:

    Just a thought.

    At the AHL level, the optimal situation is that a prospect player experiences development through tons of ice time where he can audition and perform in a variety of roles. Even if the team does not see that translated into wins, the main objective should be individual development over team success.

    At the NHL level, the optimal situation is a developed player contributes to team success in a specific role with ice time rationed so that it gives the team the best chance to win every night. This means individual numbers may not be maximized because the coach will rest some key players when the score is out of hand. Individual success should always be sacrificed for team success and winning.

  89. Bruce McCurdy says:

    blainer: Put him with defensive responsible players like Lander and Poo and he should be ok..Maybe..

    For some reason I am having flashbacks to Russ Courtnall playing on a line with Bob Gainey & Guy Carbonneau in the ’89 season & playoffs. Courtnall was about a full zone ahead of the puck half the time, & it just didn’t matter cuz Bob & Guy were defensive whizzes who had no problem 4v5 and who when they won possession would head-man the puck to the breaking winger, just like they were trained. If it wasn’t for the 2-line offside rule Courtnall mighta had 50.

  90. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    I just assumed that there was disappointment over Yak’s 2011/2012 season when he posted 69 points in 42 games in the OHL. (clearly the poster knew at the beginning of 2011 that the Oilers were destined to pick 1st overall again). That Yak… what a slacker.

  91. Bag of Pucks says:

    G Money: I do not think that was the error.

    Bloated sh% aside, Yak’s overall scoring levels his first year were right in line with Taylor Hall’s scoring.And as I noted earlier, Yak even scored more goals that year than did Hall.

    I’d say the issue is, was, and forever shall be Eakins.

    Perhaps he wasn’t smart enough to realize that good players, even ones as good as Nugent-Hopkins and Mackinnon, often backslide in their second years, an offshoot of pressure, higher expectations, and better game planning and coverage from the other teams.

    With coaching, support, and encouragement, talent will prevail, the player will push through.

    I don’t think we need to discuss Dallas Eakins’ coaching, do we?

    As for “support and encouragement”, benching, blaming, and ripping a not-even-sophomore in the media … man, ’nuff said.The Oilers’ reputation in the league of “ruining” 1OV picks is mostly undeserved.

    “Mostly” not entirely… because Yak.

    The last half of last year gave me hope that Yak still has a chance to find his way in this league after his abysmal treatment at the hands of Eakins and MacT.At least then justice would be served … for the player at least.MacT is still employed by the Oilers.

    For me, this argument gains more traction if the only goal of player development is point production from your players.

    But that becomes self defeating when the players are not groomed to play a complete game and thus their production comes at the expense of giving up more than they get. Yak being the poster child for this.

    This is the crux of the Detroit model. They don’t marinate their prospects in the A to learn offense. They draft skill under the assumption point production is not a learned trait as much as it’s an inherited one. They’re marinating their prospects in the A to learn defense and system play (and build some ‘man strength’) so when they finally make the jump to the dance they don’t enter the league as corsi black holes.

    The problem with laying this all at the feet of Eakins is Yak sucks in 2 of the 3 zones and that is despite the efforts of 3 separate coaches to mentor him accordingly.

    Yakupov is frequently on the wrong side of the puck. The player has to own some of that.

  92. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    For what it’s worth, I’m hoping Yak has a 2015-2016 season just like Dustin Penner’s year with Coach Quinn.

    Penner had taken a year of getting trashed by MacT the year prior, and showed up the next year as a very good player. Excellent by eye and by point totals.

    I’m hoping Yak responds similarly to the last 2 years of Eakins, and performs in order to shove up in the face of Eakins (and his other detractors) that he is, in fact, a remarkable young talent. I will be cheering louder for Yak than any other young man this year (even McD).

  93. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    “The problem with laying this all at the feet of Eakins is Yak sucks in 2 of the 3 zones and that is despite the efforts of 3 separate coaches to mentor him accordingly.”

    This is a good point, but I also believe that it’s important to consider that Ralph seemingly didn’t (seem to) really force a defensive aspect to Yakupov’s game. It was also a lockout-shortenned season.

    Also, Nelson had only 52 games to work with Yakupov, and it looked to me like there was finally improvement coming.

    I do remain hopeful that Yakupov “gets it” with the new coach.

    One final item: over the last few years, there’s been a lot of concern over Hall’s durability in the NHL. I think it would be a smart move by the organization to see if Yakupov can develop chemistry with McD, if only to have insurance if Taylor continues to miss significant stretches of games.

  94. G Money says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I’m trying to do the math on “four years”. Yak played his first NHL game in 2013. It’s 2015.

    Signed, Confused

    Ha ha, that’s why I had to put it in quotes.

    If you’ve been waiting for four years, i.e. prior to rookie year, what would your expectations for Yak’s rookie year have to have been?!

  95. Jaxon says:

    pocession charge,

    Perhaps you’re right. I hope you’re right. Morrison did show well in the AHL at the end of last season with 6pts in 10gp. That’s a decent start and trending in the right direction. 6′-3″, 210lbs.

    The Flames also picked up a couple other players who were coveted by many Oilers blog commenters in Rasmus Andersson and Oliver Kylington. I wasn’t that big on Kylington but would have liked to pick up Andersson in the #53, but that would mean we wouldn’t have Talbot or Reinhart so I’m good with that.

  96. Магия 10 says:

    G Money: Ha ha, that’s why I had to put it in quotes.

    If you’ve been waiting for four years, i.e. prior to rookie year, what would your expectations for Yak’s rookie year have to have been?!

    Maybe the fourth written off year was 2015-16?

    http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.7128

  97. Lowetide says:

    G Money: Ha ha, that’s why I had to put it in quotes.

    If you’ve been waiting for four years, i.e. prior to rookie year, what would your expectations for Yak’s rookie year have to have been?!

    NHLE was 40 points
    http://lowetide.ca/2012/05/17/draft-profiles-1-nail-yakupov/

  98. G Money says:

    Магия 10,

    Hmmm, that’s taking the concept of temporal Corsi to a howl nuvva levuw.

    Lowetide,

    Oh, stop getting all reasonable on us! This is all about UNreasonable expectations!

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