PETER CHIARELLI’S STATE OF THE UNION, PART 1

Bob McKenzie sat down with Peter Chiarelli yesterday and the conversation was an outstanding look into the GM’s thinking at this time.

ON MCDAVID’S OFFENSE

“Let’s say 20 and 40 (points)” when asked about season-ending totals. Chiarelli is slow-playing his generational talent, that’s okay by me. I think .9 points-per-game is a reasonable line in the sand putting him between 70-75 points if he plays all the games. If he doesn’t make that total, I don’t believe Oilers fans should be disappointed, mostly because the Oilers are not a good team. We don’t know how much his line will have the puck and we don’t know how much they’ll be getting scored on.

ON A HEAVY GAME AND FIGHTING

  • Chiarelli: “Even when I was in Boston it wasn’t about putting fighters in the lineup, it was about your team approach, your team toughness, your collective mentality. And that can apply to us, also. Having said that, there are teams in our conference and our division that play a certain style. You don’t have to fight fire with fire, but you have to be able to push back.”

It sounds like we’ll see a team that has plenty of skill but also toughness sprinkled into the lineup. I think that “rugged” forwards like Benoit Pouliot, Matt Hendricks (NHL), Mitchell Moroz, Jujhar Khaira, Kale Kessy and Greg Chase (AHL) will play more prominent roles on their respective teams. Defensively, Eric Gryba, Griffin Reinhart and Darnell Nurse will help set the tone on their NHL and or AHL clubs.

REACTION TO MCDAVID HIT

  • Chiarelli: “The response was much better. Again, it’s not about chasing someone who delivers a clean check, it’s about responding in kind. I did like the physicality, I did like how Darnell approached others players and we had a couple of other players who did as well. That’s what I’m talking about in terms of push back.” 

I think the Oilers are already a different team under Chiarelli. The Canucks (and other teams) have challenged the Oilers for years WITHOUT the kind of push back we saw Friday night. I really like the idea of having that push back coming from actual players and am hopeful we don’t see a 4line that features Slap Shot! rejects. I don’t think we will.

ON WHAT THE ROSTER LACKS

  • Chiarelli: “I see a lot of promise at certain levels and certain areas. I see a lack of heaviness and am trying to think of ways to make that better.”

I suspect that is going to be a theme. For instance, if the Oilers hadn’t won the draft lottery, I suspect there was a non-zero chance they traded back to get the big winger Lawson Crouse. The Oilers are going to acquire a big complementary winger for the Hall—McDavid line imo, sooner than later.

ABOUT MOVING THE SKILL OFF A SPECIFIC LINE

  • Chiarelli: “Yeah, we’ve talked about stretching it to the third line, we’ve got some interesting matchups. Connor and Taylor had something going on later in the summer at one of those summer camps, so there’s certain things you remember when you’re putting these lines together. Yakupov is a guy who can move up and down depending on how things are doing.”

Three scoring lines are possible because Edmonton has three outstanding centers (Nuge, McDavid, Leon) but I think that’s probably a year or even two away. The fact they’re talking about Leon on the wing tells me that one of Lander or Letestu is going to get some offense on his wing (I’m not sure who plays 3C). Interesting options for the coach and GM.

LEON AND DARNELL MAKING THE BIG TEAM

  • Chiarelli: “We have to see how they do. They are two fine prospects, with size and skill you just don’t find anywhere. I still really believe size matters in this league. We’ll see. We’re going to try Leon on the wing and we’re going to try him, he protects the puck so well, we’ll try him at both (wing and center). Darnell is so strong, he defends so well. He’s an energetic player, we have to teach him you don’t have to do six things, if you do three very well, you can do the other three later. He’s got some stuff to learn but there’s a lot to like there.”

My favorite quote in the group. This is a GM hedging his bets but he’s also thinking long term and for someone like Darnell he’ll be more productive upon arrival. Very encouraging words.

WILD CARD PLAYER

  • Chiarelli: “The one player I might characterize as a wild card player is (Anton) Slepyshev. I saw him a bit his draft year and he scored 15 goals in the KHL last year. He’s 218 pounds. He’s a big strong kid who can play both sides, terrific shot. You saw last night, there were some periods where he was getting used to the smaller ice surface. He’s 6.01 and a half, 218 can shoot the puck and can skate so you do the math.”

Chiarelli’s pointing out Slepyshev is very good news for the Russian and for Oilers fans. The GM isn’t satisfied with what I think you’ll agree is a fine stable of wingers and he’s looking to add, from within. That 2013 draft is looking better each fall.

The interview is here and is a must listen. I’ll have more about it at 5 pm or earlier. My takeaways:

  • As one would expect, this is going to be a fluid roster and we should expect movement.
  • I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we see Nurse and Leon in Bakersfield opening night.
  • Todd McLellan’s input remains a mystery and that alone should keep us from making any sweeping statements.
  • Peter Chiarelli is aggressive. Trust me on that, he made trades in Boston at any point during the season or off-season.

A fabulous interview by Mr. McKenzie.

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158 Responses to "PETER CHIARELLI’S STATE OF THE UNION, PART 1"

  1. anonymous says:

    If Mcdavid only scores 20/20 the overrated/bust talk will be unbearable.

  2. CMG30 says:

    Other interesting note: Chirelli finally gave McTavish a title: VP of Hockey operations.

  3. Surly says:

    Great interview indeed. Very pleased this man is in charge.

    Freudian slip at the 15min mark??? When talking about Leon’s attributes he said TRADE-set instead of skill-set. TRADE-set!!!

  4. Hammers says:

    Somehow Leon just looks like he should stay in the NH L . Nurse not so much yet but he will .

  5. Hammers says:

    Defence is such a learning curve and the point on doing 3 things well rather than 6 ok is a good point .

  6. CMG30 says:

    Surly,

    I would be absolutely floored if Chirelli traded Leon since he’s a Chirelli type player: Size, skill, determination and potential ability to play both wing and center. The return would have to be astronomical.

  7. GCW_69 says:

    He also said defense is harder to learn, in reference to Darnell. That’s a tell for me.

  8. Bag of Pucks says:

    Given all of Chiarelli’s comments to date, I would suggest the players at the top of his trade list are Justin Schultz, Jordan Eberle and Teddy Purcell.

    Chiarelli continually stresses player attributes involving will and physicality. He’s continually stressed the importance of winning board battles with his giving Leon props in this regard as the most recent example. He consistently mentions a commitment to team toughness and pushback THROUGHOUT the lineup. And now we have his comments on Schultz which are most revealing where he in essence says if you can’t physically man up in your position than you damn well better be exemplary with your positioning and stick work.

    Size married with will 100% matters and if you deny it, you’ve either never played the game of hockey or you doubt the laws of physics. Everyone in the NHL has skill. When two players with comparable skill meet in the corner, along the boards, in the slot, the bigger player owns the advantage. And by big, I don’t mean height. The ‘heaviness’ that Chiarelli describes is size to weight ratio. Brad Marchand is a great example. He’s a short player but he’s built like a fire hydrant and plays a ‘heavy’ game. Same thing for Brendan Gallagher.

    There is no doubt in my mind that when McClellan and Chiarelli discuss the Oilers, a common thread in those conversations is how easy it is/was to beat the Oilers by forcing the play to the hard areas and then physically dominating them in those confined spaces.

    The Oilers have been a team that lives on the periphery. Chiarelli is smart enough to know this. He’s also savvy enough to recognize those players that will help to change this: Pouliot, Nurse, Reinhart, Gryba. McDavid will also be key in changing this cos his ability to stretch the D will give the opp huge headaches in matching up to defend the middle of the ice. It will be much more difficult for the opposition to funnel the play to the wall and the corners when Connor is on. Great to hear Chiarelli talking about the potential of Hall on his line : )

    Chia will also be aggressive enough to move out those players that duck the tough assignments. Their ‘try’ will determine their destiny.

    Purcell is the poster boy for this. Despite his size, he plays the game like he’s made of tissue paper. That mindset will punch your ticket out of town with this GM and HC imo.

  9. GCW_69 says:

    I liked Chiarelli’s comment on how each ten game segment is tougher, and just because a player does well in an easier segment (preseason, first ten games) that doesn’t mean the player is ready for the tougher segments that follow.

    I hope that means he is setting the bar very high for Leon, Nurse and Reinhart, that they don’t just have to play well, they have to dominate in order to make the team.

  10. GCW_69 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Given all of Chiarelli’s comments to date, I would suggest that the players at the top of his trade list are Justin Schultz, Jordan Eberle and Teddy Purcell.

    Chiarelli continually stresses player attributes involving will and physicality. He’s continually stressed the importance of winning board battles with his giving Leon props in this regard as the most recent example. He consistently mentions a commitment to team toughness and pushback THROUGHOUT the lineup. And now we have his comments on Schultz which are most revealing where he in essence says if you can’t physically man up in your position than you damn well better be exemplary with your positioning and stick work.

    Size married with will 100% matters and if you deny it, you’ve either never played the game of hockey or you doubt the laws of physics. Everyone in the NHL has skill. When two players with comparable skill meet in the corner, along the boards, in the slot, the bigger player owns the advantage.

    There is no doubt in my mind that when McClellan and Chiarelli discuss the Oilers, a common thread in those conversations is how easy it is/was to beat the Oilers by forcing the play to the hard areas and then physically dominating them in those confined spaces.

    The Oilers have been a team that lives on the periphery. Chiarelli is smart enough to know this. He’s also savvy enough to recognize those players that will help to change this: Pouliot, Nurse, Reinhart, Gryba. He will also be aggressive enough to move out those players that duck the tough assignments. Their ‘try’ will determine their destiny.

    Purcell is the poster boy for this. Despite his size, he plays the game like he’s made of tissue paper. That mindset will punch your ticket out of town with this GM and HC imo.

    You don’t have to give up on Eberle’s skill to have a team that plays heavy hockey. You just surround him with players that can compensate. Scoring is the hardest thing to do at the NHL level and Eberle is a wizard at it. Unless Yakupov takes off or Leon rocks the right wing, I don’t see Eberle going anywhere.

  11. wheatnoil says:

    Surly:
    Great interview indeed.Very pleased this man is in charge.

    Freudian slip at the 15min mark???When talking about Leon’s attributes he said TRADE-set instead of skill-set.TRADE-set!!!

    “…because we’ve got these players and they’re young and they’re developing and when you can get a good player, and a good big player, you want to keep that player.” [emphasis mine]

    I think this implies Draisaitl isn’t going anywhere.

  12. RexLibris says:

    GCW_69: You don’t have to give up on Eberle’s skill to have a team that plays heavy hockey.You just surround him with players that can compensate.Scoring is the hardest thing to do at the NHL level and Eberle is a wizard at it.Unless Yakupov takes off or Leon rocks the right wing, I don’t see Eberle going anywhere.

    Agreed.

    Eberle habitually scores from well within the “hard areas” by gliding in unseen and getting off a quick, accurate shot. He isn’t a bull along the boards, but he cycles the puck well and puts himself in great scoring position routinely.

    Chiarelli acquired Eriksson and fully appreciated Krejci while he was in Boston. Eberle is the same model of player and his skill set is somewhat unique on this team. Even his closest competitor Yakupov has a slightly different skill set in being a quicker skater and playing a more physically engaged style but lacking Eberle’s subtlety in the scoring areas.

    Moving Eberle for a banger, even one with decent hands, would be a mistake on the scale expected by Tambellini or MacTavish.

  13. Gret99zky says:

    RE: Freudian Slip

    29:36 “Andrew Ference and I can be very FLANK, er, frank with each other…”

    Sounds like PC is going to flank the Captain. Probably from the left or right side.

  14. Bag of Pucks says:

    GCW_69: You don’t have to give up on Eberle’s skill to have a team that plays heavy hockey.You just surround him with players that can compensate.Scoring is the hardest thing to do at the NHL level and Eberle is a wizard at it.Unless Yakupov takes off or Leon rocks the right wing, I don’t see Eberle going anywhere.

    I agree. Chia will need to see replacement production before Ebs becomes a legitimate trade chip. But don’t be surprised if early on either Yakupov or Drai get a Top 6 W push.

    Eberle’s track record of production also gives him huge value as a trade asset.

    And I’m not discounting the possibility that Jordan rounds out his game under McClellan. One thing that is noticeable about the Sharks however is their size on the wings.

  15. Bag of Pucks says:

    RexLibris: Agreed.

    Eberle habitually scores from well within the “hard areas” by gliding in unseen and getting off a quick, accurate shot. He isn’t a bull along the boards, but he cycles the puck well and puts himself in great scoring position routinely.

    Chiarelli acquired Eriksson and fully appreciated Krejci while he was in Boston. Eberle is the same model of player and his skill set is somewhat unique on this team. Even his closest competitor Yakupov has a slightly different skill set in being a quicker skater and playing a more physically engaged style but lacking Eberle’s subtlety in the scoring areas.

    Moving Eberle for a banger, even one with decent hands, would be a mistake on the scale expected by Tambellini or MacTavish.

    Would moving him for a Top 3 vet D be a mistake?

  16. Bag of Pucks says:

    I’m going to throw out a challenge to the community this season. If you’re a big Eberle fan, please watch his play extremely closely this season away from the puck and in the defensive zone and then decide if he’s a Stanley Cup component.

    This is a player with superior offensive skills who rarely meets a back check he can’t avoid.

    Entertaining hockey player without question but he has to improve his game over the full 200ft.

  17. Younger Oil says:

    We don’t have enough depth on RW to justify trading Eberle. Trading him for a D, or a bigger/more physical player that is worse at playing hockey brings our RW depth from above average to one of the worst in the league.

  18. Pouzar says:

    RexLibris: Agreed.

    Eberle habitually scores from well within the “hard areas” by gliding in unseen and getting off a quick, accurate shot. He isn’t a bull along the boards, but he cycles the puck well and puts himself in great scoring position routinely.

    Chiarelli acquired Eriksson and fully appreciated Krejci while he was in Boston. Eberle is the same model of player and his skill set is somewhat unique on this team. Even his closest competitor Yakupov has a slightly different skill set in being a quicker skater and playing a more physically engaged style but lacking Eberle’s subtlety in the scoring areas.

    Moving Eberle for a banger, even one with decent hands, would be a mistake on the scale expected by Tambellini or MacTavish.

    Nicely put once again. I just have a feeling Chia isn’t long for Eberle. We wait.

  19. Bag of Pucks says:

    RexLibris: Agreed.

    Eberle habitually scores from well within the “hard areas” by gliding in unseen and getting off a quick, accurate shot. He isn’t a bull along the boards, but he cycles the puck well and puts himself in great scoring position routinely.

    Chiarelli acquired Eriksson and fully appreciated Krejci while he was in Boston. Eberle is the same model of player and his skill set is somewhat unique on this team. Even his closest competitor Yakupov has a slightly different skill set in being a quicker skater and playing a more physically engaged style but lacking Eberle’s subtlety in the scoring areas.

    Moving Eberle for a banger, even one with decent hands, would be a mistake on the scale expected by Tambellini or MacTavish.

    Peter Chiarelli traded Phil Kessel.

  20. RexLibris says:

    Bag of Pucks: Would moving him for a Top 3 vet D be a mistake?

    I don’t think it’s as simple as that.

    Eberle is under control, and affordable, for quite a few more years now and is just at the beginning of a forwards’ prime productivity age.

    Trading him for a player who has, let’s say 3 years on a contract and is a top – 3 defenseman just past 30 years old (to qualify him as “veteran”) doesn’t look to me like a good move on the surface.

    Here’s the thing though, if Slepyshev and Yakupov come along at a reasonable pace so as to provide real replacement value for Eberle or even Pouliot, then yes, you can move them.

    Consider how many times Patrick Sharp was rumoured to be traded for cap concerns and the like before he finally was moved.

    We’ve all traded Eberle half-a-dozen times or more over the years and this team hasn’t even turned a corner to make that trade one where we are dealing from a position of strength.

    Let’s improve the team by other means before we begin subtracting from the core.

  21. RexLibris says:

    Bag of Pucks: Peter Chiarelli traded Phil Kessel.

    He traded a young player who was in contract negotiations for two 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick.

    Peter Chiarelli won that deal the day it was completed and the draft position and prospects acquired afterwards only improved his take-away.

    If the Oilers had a flashy young winger who was in stalled contract negotiations and another GM came to them and said “I’ll give you two 1sts and a 2nd for him”, especially if that GM were of a team that was widely considered to be entering a rebuild and headed for a top 5 pick, then that certainly would be a fair deal to consider.

    Eberle is signed. There’s absolutely no rush to move him at this time.

    There is a push to improve the defense, but the Oilers are now at a point where they no longer have to fall back on the same old trade tropes we’ve been kicking around for years: Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, Nugent-Hopkins.

  22. oliveoilers says:

    Hey, just wanted to say thanks to all for the commentary last night, especially Wheatnoil for his Kirk Van Houten interview transcription.

    Ok, bit of a rant coming here.

    I thought this had been put to bed. TOUGHNESS IS NOT FACE PUNCHING!

    Pavel Datsyuk is tough. Henrik Zetterberg is tough. Smitty was tough! That’s what Pete’s talking about. The ability to take the punishment and make them pay by WINNING.

    Eberle has consistently played the very toughest the NHL has to offer and PUT. UP. POINTS.

    Did the opposition take it easy on him? Is there an NHL secret directive that states that any 22OV pick from Saskatchewan is allowed free rein in the league?

    Or is it because he picks himself up, dusts himself off then makes them look stupid. And don’t you give me that ‘Back Check’ crap.

    Jeez, some of you just NEED a Hemsky to hang.

  23. commonfan14 says:

    Wasn’t the Boston media always speculating that Boston was trying to get Eberle while Chia was there?

  24. John Chambers says:

    Fayne didn’t get any mention when the D was brought up – I understand where Chia might feel this player is replaceable at a lower $ value.

    Also Yakupov was not mentioned in the context of the ‘other’ young core.

    I think we see a pump and dump on Yak and Schultz, with Yak ultimately replaced by Slepyshev, and a D that looks like:

    Sekara – All Star Vet
    Klefbom – Reinhart
    Nurse – Gryba

  25. Bag of Pucks says:

    RexLibris:
    Let’s improve the team by other means before we begin subtracting from the core.

    And this appears to be exactly the route Chiarelli is taking. But eventually one of the core will get dealt. It could be Yak, Schultz, Eberle or even Nuge. And the ultimate evaluation will be the return received.

    What I’m doing today is assessing the roster as it exists vs the vision that the GM is articulating for a team capable of winning the Cup.

    i think it’s reasonable to suggest based on Chiarelli’s comments that Eberle’s game doesn’t fit that vision to a tee. And here’s the thing about having to shelter players ( and shelter can occur for many reasons, they’re too small, too slow, inexperienced, poor positionally, etc.), the more players you have to shelter for them to dominate, the lesser your chances of winning the holy grail.

    Does Eberle remind you more of Phil Kessel or Milan Lucic? The former was traded under Chiarelli. The latter was pretty much an untouchable.

    The GM is saying size matters and he wants players that play a heavy game. That doesn’t bode well for the softer players in the lineup.

  26. Melman says:

    He’s also said more than once that he doesn’t know the team well yet. I think he’s likely made the deals he can so far and next phase is seeing what he’s got. Often after a trade you hear the GM say the deal had been kicking around a while. It’s not unreasonable to think there’s irons in the fire.

    Purcell is almost untradeable until the deadline. Unless it’s a great return why wouldn’t you want to see what Yak can do before moving him. Agree Jultzy is on the thinnest ice.

  27. hunter1909 says:

    anonymous:
    If Mcdavid only scores 20/20 the overrated/bust talk will be unbearable.

    Chiarelli’s fingers were crossed.

    What Chiarelli meant is: McDavid scores 20/20 by Christmas.

  28. hunter1909 says:

    oliveoilers: Eberle has consistently played the very toughest the NHL has to offer and PUT. UP. POINTS.
    Did the opposition take it easy on him?

    Eberle usually takes a huge hit every other season.

    Interesting point you make. Eberle reminds me of an German football striker…just floats until Bang! Goal.

    PS: Had originally typed English/German; forgetting that English international strikers usually prefer to concentrate on floating, lol.

  29. hunter1909 says:

    Pouzar: I just have a feeling Chia isn’t long for Eberle.

    I’m going to drop dead from this kind of comment. Why can’t everyone wait until 20 games in, like Chiarelli’s going to do?

    Enough with all of this talk about trading good players away already.

  30. oliveoilers says:

    hunter1909: Eberle usually takes a huge hit every other season.

    Interesting point you make. Eberle reminds me of an German football striker…just floats until Bang! Goal.

    PS: Had originally typed English/German;forgetting that English international strikers usually prefer to concentrate on floating,lol.

    LOL, you’re right about English strikers: – Ebs is more Sheringham than Shearer!

    Of all people, TMac knows that you forget about Ebs to your peril. Ebs always seemed to have SJs number.

  31. RexLibris says:

    oliveoilers,

    Thank you.

  32. SwedishPoster says:

    He pretty clearly states that trading one of the skill players to add a missing player type is unlikely and that in todays NHL it’s more about internal development than trades when building a team. That doesn’t sound like a man who’s about to trade Eberle to get a particular player that fits his style of hockey.

  33. rickithebear says:

    PC: defence baby!

    Melman: Agree Jultzy is on the thinnest ice.

    Since it is Sunday.

    Amen!

  34. Bag of Pucks says:

    RexLibris: Agreed.

    Eberle habitually scores from well within the “hard areas” by gliding in unseen and getting off a quick, accurate shot. He isn’t a bull along the boards, but he cycles the puck well and puts himself in great scoring position routinely.

    Chiarelli acquired Eriksson and fully appreciated Krejci while he was in Boston. Eberle is the same model of player and his skill set is somewhat unique on this team. Even his closest competitor Yakupov has a slightly different skill set in being a quicker skater and playing a more physically engaged style but lacking Eberle’s subtlety in the scoring areas.

    Moving Eberle for a banger, even one with decent hands, would be a mistake on the scale expected by Tambellini or MacTavish.

    Krejci is a Center. Much more valuable position. Verbal seems to indicate that Chiarelli realizes his mistake in trading Seguin for Erikkson.

    There’s a massive difference between a player that will pop into the hard areas to take advantage when he knows it’s safe vs ones that consistently risk life and limb to go to the paint. This is what periphery player means. It doesn’t mean you’re never spotted in the slot. It means you’re typically spotted there when the opp is occupied elsewhere.

    If the opp matches up against Eberle with a skilled physical winger with a ‘heaviness’ advantage over a 7 game series, that does not end well for the Oilers.

    Size matters. This is the GM’s words,

  35. RexLibris says:

    Bag of Pucks: Does Eberle remind you more of Phil Kessel or Milan Lucic? The former was traded under Chiarelli. The latter was pretty much an untouchable.

    That’s framing things in a very particular fashion, as though to say, does this apple remind you more of broccolli or an eggplant?

    Kessel, Lucic and Eberle share very little in the way they play.

    One could make the argument that Kessel and Eberle are “soft”, scoring players who don’t engage physically, one could also make the argument that Eberle and Lucic both score within the high-danger areas and are strong cycle players.

    And here’s the thing about having to shelter players ( and shelter can occur for many reasons, they’re too small, too slow, inexperienced, poor positionally, etc.), the more players you have to shelter for them to dominate, the lesser your chances of winning the holy grail.

    For the record, Eberle is not sheltered. He faces the toughest competition as Nugent-Hopkins’ winger and he comes out looking pretty damned good.

    From Behind the Net, the Oilers’ roster ranked by QualComp and Eberle tops the list tied with Nugent-Hopkins (.48), followed by Pouliot (.20) and Hall (.18).

    http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=11&f1=2014_s&f2=5v5&f4=C+LW+RW&f5=EDM&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67+11+12+13+14+15+16#

    Eberle isn’t sheltered, he is the shelter by which we hope to develop players like Yakupov, Draisaitl, Slepyshev and others.

  36. Bag of Pucks says:

    RexLibris: That’s framing things in a very particular fashion, as though to say, does this apple remind you more of broccolli or an eggplant?

    Kessel, Lucic and Eberle share very little in the way they play.

    One could make the argument that Kessel and Eberle are “soft”, scoring players who don’t engage physically, one could also make the argument that Eberle and Lucic both score within the high-danger areas and are strong cycle players.

    For the record, Eberle is not sheltered. He faces the toughest competition as Nugent-Hopkins’ winger and he comes out looking pretty damned good.

    From Behind the Net, the Oilers’ roster ranked by QualComp and Eberle tops the list tied with Nugent-Hopkins (.48), followed by Pouliot (.20) and Hall (.18).

    http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=11&f1=2014_s&f2=5v5&f4=C+LW+RW&f5=EDM&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67+11+12+13+14+15+16#

    Eberle isn’t sheltered, he is the shelter by which we hope to develop players like Yakupov, Draisaitl, Slepyshev and others.

    Yes, and the fact that the Oilers haven’t had the depth to properly shelter players like Eberle is one of the reasons the club is a perennial loser.

    Eberle has never been evaluated through the lens of playoff hockey.

    That will be the acid test.

    Eberle’s reputation was built in international tournaments where physical play has lesser emphasis. The SC playoffs are a different kind of crucible.

  37. RexLibris says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Ha, fair enough but you’re suggesting trading him before we even get a playoff game to determine if he can succeed there!

    I don’t doubt that Eberle will be traded one day, in fact one could argue that you hope he does because it means that he doesn’t walk as a free-agent and we don’t have to see him degrade until he retires.

    But I’d much rather be trading him in a situation similar to how the Hawks traded Sharp than what is being suggested today.

  38. oliveoilers says:

    Bag of Pucks: Yes, and the fact that the Oilers haven’t had the depth to properly shelter players like Eberle is one of the reasons the club is a perennial loser.

    Ermm…..Not sure you’re getting the right end of the stick, old chap.

    The point I made and Rex proved with number thingys is that Eberle DOES NOT REQUIRE SHELTER.

    You know who a very good comparable to Eberle is? Patrick Kane.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=96639

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=96554

    Same size, similar point production.

    Damn, those ‘Hawks should be sheltering him.

  39. Oil2Oilers says:

    After listening to the interview I am going to change my answer from last night about Brock Nelson. As you can’t teach size.

    Purcell (50% Salary retain) + 2nd for Nelson

    Pouliot-RNH-Eberle (Pou brings the big)
    Hall-McDavid-Nelson (Nelson brings the big)
    Drai-Lander-Yak (The big Dr and the Unicorn’s)

  40. Eastern Oil says:

    Melman,

    “Agree Jultzy is on the thinnest ice.”

    That would explain his skating style..

    I’m here all week! Try the veal.

  41. Bag of Pucks says:

    RexLibris:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Ha, fair enough but you’re suggesting trading him before we even get a playoff game to determine if he can succeed there!

    I don’t doubt that Eberle will be traded one day, in fact one could argue that you hope he does because it means that he doesn’t walk as a free-agent and we don’t have to see him degrade until he retires.

    But I’d much rather be trading him in a situation similar to how the Hawks traded Sharp than what is being suggested today.

    Agreed. Best case scenario is a Nieuwyndyk for Iginla type trade with Eberle playing the Nieuwydyk role.

    I do like Ebs. Just prefer a more complete player if it’s achievable.

  42. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    If Eberle gets traded it won’t be “because SIZE!”

    That’s a moron’s trade.

    It will be because of a series of factors align to convince a GM he’s helping his team by trading a core player.

    Those decisions are never, ever made with an eye to a single factor by smart people. Especially a factor as stupid as Size.

    Won’t happen that way. Ever. (by a non-moron).

  43. Bag of Pucks says:

    oliveoilers: Ermm…..Not sure you’re getting the right end of the stick, old chap.

    The point I made and Rex proved with number thingys is that Eberle DOES NOT REQUIRE SHELTER.

    You know who a very good comparable to Eberle is?Patrick Kane.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=96639

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=96554

    Same size, similar point production.

    Damn, those ‘Hawks should be sheltering him.

    Hockey is not only what you get. It’s also what you give up.

    It would be interesting to filter Eberle’s fenwick close vs elite outscorer opposition.

    By my eye, he feasts on the middling teams and is much quieter against the elite teams, particularly the clubs with size.

    He’s an outscorer. Is he an elite outscorer?

  44. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bag of Pucks: Agreed. Best case scenario is a Nieuwyndyk for Iginla type trade with Eberle playing the Nieuwydyk role.

    I do like Ebs. Just prefer a more complete player if it’s achievable.

    That means trading Eberle at the end of his current contract, when he very near 30 (29) and in the midst of a stalled, contentious contract negotiation.

    That actually makes a lot of sense and would line up with Nieuwendyk situation pretty well.

    Don’t see that move as much of a Size! move at all.

  45. Bag of Pucks says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: That means trading Eberle at the end of his current contract, when he very near 30 (29) and in the midst of a stalled, contentious contract negotiation.

    That actually makes a lot of sense and would line up with Nieuwendyk situation pretty well.

    Don’t see that move as much of a Size! move at all.

    First of all. My comments on Eberle are largely in relation to Chiarelli’s. One of these things is not like the other.

    Secondly. Moron? Why would I care what you think when that’s your starting point?

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  47. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks:

    This is a player with superior offensive skills who rarely meets a back check he can’t avoid.

    You are describing:

    1) Wayn Gretzky
    2) Brett Hull
    3) Mike Bossy
    4) Guy Lafleur
    5) Joey Mullen
    6) Yvan Cournoyer
    7) Alex Ovechkin
    etc.

  48. OilClog says:

    A more complete player then Ebs..

    Ebs is one of the best RW’s in the league.

    Trading Ebs creates a giant hole that no one can currently fill..

    You’re not going to trade Ebs for a bigger better Ebs.. He’s top 6 RW’s in the league.

    If Ebs wasn’t hard on the puck he wouldn’t score most of the pretty goals he scores. Puck doesn’t leave his stick when he’s on fire.

    Besides any and all moves for the next two months will be on the backend, they’re going to need a 1/3 of the season to figure out how to place all their forwards together in zen.

    Chai did make mention of the three line unicorn.

  49. RexLibris says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    After listening to the interview I am going to change my answer from last night about Brock Nelson. As you can’t teach size.

    Purcell (50% Salary retain) + 2nd for Nelson

    Pouliot-RNH-Eberle (Pou brings the big)
    Hall-McDavid-Nelson (Nelson brings the big)
    Drai-Lander-Yak (The big Dr and the Unicorn’s)

    Not sure the Islanders would take Purcell, but if they would, then that sounds like a pretty good deal.

    Nelson and Yakupov squaring off for 2RW instead of Purcell and Yakupov is an improvement.

    Nelson is also listed by NHL.com as a center. That means he likely has a greater range of skills.

  50. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Peter Chiarelli traded Phil Kessel.

    Because Phil Kessel is a fat boy who doesn’t train.

    Burke saw him as an American, so traded for him.

  51. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: You are describing:

    1) Wayn Gretzky
    2) Brett Hull
    3) Mike Bossy
    4) Guy Lafleur
    5) Joey Mullen
    6) Yvan Cournoyer
    7) Alex Ovechkin
    etc.

    It’s a different league now. Ovie = 0 Cups

  52. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bag of Pucks: First of all. My comments on Eberle are largely in relation to Chiarelli’s. One of these things is not like the other.

    Secondly. Moron? Why would I care what you think when that’s your starting point?

    Chiarelli has said nothing about trading Eberle in particular or even vague, hide the implication terms.

    I never called anyone a moron.

    I said trading Eberle for Size! is a moronic thing to do. I stand by that. It simply is.

  53. oliveoilers says:

    Bag of Pucks: Hockey is not only what you get. It’s also what you give up.

    It would be interesting to filter Eberle’s fenwick close vs elite outscorer opposition.

    By my eye, he feasts on the middling teams and is much quieter against the elite teams, particularly the clubs with size.

    He’s an outscorer. Is he an elite outscorer?

    Found this excellent site:
    http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/e/eberljo01.html

    Eb’s scoring is pretty fairly distributed against the great and the terrible. And if a skilled player didn’t feast on the mediocre, then I’d be truly worried!

  54. oliveoilers says:

    Due to a previous comment by a poster that shall remain unnamed, I feel compelled to point out that the number of cups won bears absolutely no relevance what so ever to their skill as a player.

    Just sayin’. Before we start down that landmine riddled road.

  55. wheatnoil says:

    godot10: Because Phil Kessel is a fat boy who doesn’t train.

    Burke saw him as an American, so traded for him.

    That’s one explanation, though it strips away a lot of nuance.

    I think a more likely frame is Kessel was traded in the midst of a contract dispute under the threat of an offer sheet… kind of like Saad this year.

    The Kessel trade doesn’t compare to any Oilers situation this year or next. Maybe summer of 2017 would be the first time we see that scenario. But it wouldn’t be with Ebs. It would be Draisaitl.

  56. godot10 says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    After listening to the interview I am going to change my answer from last night about Brock Nelson. As you can’t teach size.

    Purcell (50% Salary retain) + 2nd for Nelson

    Pouliot-RNH-Eberle (Pou brings the big)
    Hall-McDavid-Nelson (Nelson brings the big)
    Drai-Lander-Yak (The big Dr and the Unicorn’s)

    Nelson wants to be paid top six money. Yakupov plus next years 1st might get the Islanders interested, but it would be a dumb deal, because Nelson is in the getting paid portion of his career.

    The Oilers can’t afford to pay another forward.

    There is a thing called the salary cap. Draisaitl is the Oilers’ version of Nelson, just not fully developed.

  57. Lowetide says:

    Trading Eberle at this point isn’t possible. The time line for someone who makes a lot of money is the end of McDavid’s entry level deal. That’s the point where the Oilers will need to make a move. Until then, the Oilers need to build up strength at the position, one of the reasons PC is looking at guys like Leon and Slepy (plus at some point, possibly Yakimov).

    I don’t think Eberle is going to be the guy traded when McDavid hits pay day btw.

  58. Bag of Pucks says:

    Man does this community squeal like wieners on the BBQ when you speculate on the GM trading one of the core.

    Amazing that Eberle is one of the Top 6 RWers in the entire league but he can’t make the Olympic team. That is some crazy shit.

    Maybe, just maybe, some of this core has some warts and that’s why this team has underperformed despite unprecedented luck in the draft?

    You would think this team is a 4 time Cup winner the way some of these players are venerated as untouchable.

  59. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: It’s a different league now. Ovie = 0 Cups

    Patrick Kane
    Phil Kessel

  60. RexLibris says:

    oliveoilers:
    Due to a previous comment by a poster that shall remain unnamed, I feel compelled to point out that the number of cups won bears absolutely no relevance what so ever to their skill as a player.

    Just sayin’.Before we start down that landmine riddled road.

    AW, c’mon!

    I had a 3000 word diatribe all ready to go about why Seguin was the better pick than Hall!

    Party pooper.

  61. OilClog says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Man does this community squeal like wieners on the BBQ when you speculate on the GM trading one of the core.

    Amazing that Eberle is one of the Top 6 RWers in the entire league but he can’t make the Olympic team. That is some crazy shit.

    Maybe, just maybe, some of this core has some warts and that’s why this team has underperformed despite unprecedented luck in the draft?

    You would think this team is a 4 time Cup winner the way some of these players are venerated as untouchable.

    I believe it’s the reasoning for your trading of Eberle that causes the uproar.

    Furthermore.. Eberle has been producing at near elite levels on the Edmonton Oilers..

    Kunitz made the Olympic team…

    Anyone that plays Jesus’s wing in the next four years will be in the Olympics if they’re still going to them.

    Eberle finished the season with 43pts in 48games. How many RW’s out performed him during this time?

    Eberle will be one of the last guys traded.

  62. godot10 says:

    Eberle is hard on the puck offensively. He is not hard enough on the puck defensively, but that was mostly under the dementor.

    Eberle was a far better player under Renney, Krueger, and Nelson than he was under the dementor.

    Eberle walking into the end of the AHL season as a draft+1 junior, and was the best player on the team.
    The following year, as a draft+2 player, he went to the Men’s World Championships, and was one of the top three wingers for Canada.

    He was dominant at the World Juniors as a draft+2 player, and made an impact as a draft+1 player.

    Crosby was being punked by Forberg, Eriksson, and Lander at the World Championships last spring until Eberle (and Hall) were put on his wings.

    This is a very good player. He isn’t perfect. But not many players are. One hides the weaknesses of players by building a team.

  63. oliveoilers says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Man does this community squeal like wieners on the BBQ when you speculate on the GM trading one of the core.

    Amazing that Eberle is one of the Top 6 RWers in the entire league but he can’t make the Olympic team. That is some crazy shit.

    Maybe, just maybe, some of this core has some warts and that’s why this team has underperformed despite unprecedented luck in the draft?

    You would think this team is a 4 time Cup winner the way some of these players are venerated as untouchable.

    Hey Pucks, we’re not squealing like wieners on a BBQ because you speculated about trading Ebs.

    We’re sizzling away like bangers because of the arguments you used have been demonstrated to be untrue, and when you realised this, you bring up Homer Simpson-esque repertoire along the lines of “if he’s so great, then why’s he dead?” (If he’s so great, why hasn’t he won a cup, or replaced x player on the Olympic roster.)

  64. oliveoilers says:

    RexLibris: AW, c’mon!

    I had a 3000 word diatribe all ready to go about why Seguin was the better pick than Hall!

    Party pooper.

    So did I, but I timed out!

    Damn one finger typing and breathing at the same time.

  65. OilClog says:

    With Mcdavid joining the ranks..

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see Nuge destroy what he started in his rookie campaign before Eakins decided he was a two way centre.

    Yes he’s amazing on the back check.. But why oh why would you ever take the foot off the Nuges offensive gas pedal.

    I hope Todd, wears that fucker out.

  66. Hammers says:

    I would still consider Hall,RNH and Ebs together draws the oppositions first line then McD with Pouliot and Leon , Lander, Yak Purcell. Coach has de ions to make .

  67. Bag of Pucks says:

    When I see Eberle doing it in the playoffs, I’ll be a believer.

    No one has adequately addressed his defensive deficiencies btw. It’s all about Ebs the scorer.

    I’m fairly certain if you watched him closely away from the puck, you’d see a player that contributes to this team’s defensive woes. I hold out hope that MacLellan can improve this.

    If players like Draisaitl and yak could push Eberle for mins, that would be a good thing.

  68. raventalon40 says:

    About acquiring a big winger for Hall and McDavid:

    Burns or Byfuglien, one of the two, is the answer. The price will be dear; the result will be golden.

    Burns has 2 years left.
    Byfuglien has 1 year left.

  69. flyfish1168 says:

    One of the comments that made lots of sense from PC is ” Its difficult to obtain young players”. So why speculate so much who is leaving here so soon. Wait and see how things play out and they will. Injuries, players salary demand and the CAP. At this moment the no one is rocking the boat and there shouldn’t be since we are a losing team. Wait til we make the PO and win the SC and then the circus begins.

  70. oliveoilers says:

    http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/e/eberljo01.html#skaters_advanced::none

    Eberle’s defensive duties for the last few years.

    51% CF
    49.4% FF

    Either he’s holding his own, or Nuge is even better than we thought.

  71. RexLibris says:

    You know, we’re two days removed from the good guys winning both the war movie and the western.

    Not to mention laying a spanking down on the Loathsome Left Coasters.

    And today we’re here debating trading our 1st line RW because he may or may not play a “tough” style as dictated by our inferences of what the GM said in an interview.

    “Oilers Fan” should be recognized in the DSM as a serious pathology.

  72. Derek says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Man does this community squeal like wieners on the BBQ when you speculate on the GM trading one of the core.

    Amazing that Eberle is one of the Top 6 RWers in the entire league but he can’t make the Olympic team. That is some crazy shit.

    Maybe, just maybe, some of this core has some warts and that’s why this team has underperformed despite unprecedented luck in the draft?

    You would think this team is a 4 time Cup winner the way some of these players are venerated as untouchable.

    Why are you blaming the best players on the team for the teams lack of success? I thought it was well documented the Edmonton Oilers blue line and goaltending positions have been populated by cast offs from the Charlestown Chiefs for the last 8 years.

    For years LT has been telling us about the foibles of bad teams trading away their best players due to lack of success and here you are dropping all these MSM narrative bombs about how Eberle isn’t a player that helps you win.

  73. oliveoilers says:

    raventalon40:
    About acquiring a big winger for Hall and McDavid:

    Burns or Byfuglien, one of the two, is the answer. The price will be dear; the result will be golden.

    Burns has 2 years left.
    Byfuglien has 1 year left.

    Burns would be…*steeples fingers*….excellent! I think we talked about this a while ago, when TMac was first hired.

    Would be a great add, but boy, could be pricey….

  74. pts2pndr says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    When was the last time a very young player like Eberle’s was picked for the Olympic team? After 2years under the worst coach in the NHL is not the time to trade any of the young core. Give the new coach at least 40 games then it will be all bets off as to whom may get moved.jmho.

  75. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lowetide:
    Trading Eberle at this point isn’t possible. The time line for someone who makes a lot of money is the end of McDavid’s entry level deal. That’s the point where the Oilers will need to make a move. Until then, the Oilers need to build up strength at the position, one of the reasons PC is looking at guys like Leon and Slepy (plus at some point, possibly Yakimov).

    I don’t think Eberle is going to be the guy traded when McDavid hits pay day btw.

    Who do think It will be?

  76. Woogie63 says:

    The league wants more scoring…

    I wonder if Eberle and Shultz become more valuable as PP minutes( probably increases) and 3×3 is introduced. Those minutes of the game will be played by players that really skate, cover space.

  77. Bag of Pucks says:

    pts2pndr:
    Bag of Pucks,

    When was the last time a very young player like Eberle’s was picked for the Olympic team? After 2years under the worst coach in the NHL is not the time to trade any of the young core. Give the new coach at least 40 games then it will be all bets off as to whom may get moved.jmho.

    Toews, Doughty in Van. Benn, Duchene for Socchi.

  78. oliveoilers says:

    LT also has a good article over at ON:

    http://oilersnation.com/2015/9/13/damning-with-fayne-praise

    I do believe there may be a third alternative, LT:

    Maybe Fayne wasn’t mentioned, as he may be the one remaining D that he simply doesn’t have to worry about.

    Also, if this year is going to be defense by committee, then the lines are very blurred – we may not have D lines in the traditional sense, more like player matching. Sekera + A.N.Other for the toughs, and that player could be in rotation.

  79. G Money says:

    It’s Sunday, we must be trading Eberle again.

    Random thought: we keep talking about our skill not having enough size.

    Instead of demanding that our skill players get bigger, why not consider adding skill to our size?

  80. Chris says:

    I don’t see how anyone can rationally argue for trading Eberle. First and foremost whom are we going to play in his stead? Eberle like clock work has been good for 25-30 goals a year and that production needs to be replaced. The only in house option is Yakupov. As much as I admire Yakupov’s élan, he played well under Kreuger facing buttery soft opposition and getting power play time, he was aweful under Eakins and was okay under Nelson again facing lesser competition. Eberle has been playing the best of the best for years. We have no indication Yakupov is capable of replicating Eberle’s consistent offence or playing against top competition. This would essentially be betting on a long shot and hoping everything worked out.

    Secondly, “we could trade him for a bigger player who could play top competition and score similarly”. Why if someone had this unicorn like player of a big man who can play two way hockey and score would they trade him for a smaller version of the same player? Basically there would have to be something undesirable about him, either an aweful contract, he’s 123 years old or he’s just been released from prison. Why Edmonton would want to make that trade at that point is beyond me.

    As I indicated the calls to trade Eberle are irrational.

  81. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    Ebs for this guy.

  82. hunter1909 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Maybe, just maybe, some of this core has some warts and that’s why this team has underperformed despite unprecedented luck in the draft?
    You would think this team is a 4 time Cup winner the way some of these players are venerated as untouchable.

    Why not just admit you’re a San Diego Gulls fan?

  83. Lowetide says:

    Bag of Pucks: Who do think It will be?

    It might be Hall if his injury problems continue, but failing that suspect Pouliot or Sekera go. Oilers are about to give $4m a year to Klefbom, he may not develop as they hope so he’s possible. Talbot, Yakupov, and after all of that Eberle when he turns 30 or 31. He’s five or six years from now and by then Edmonton might have a Stanley and he may never leave.

  84. mujidog says:

    He was asked point blank on the Tyler Seguin trade.
    His answer – and he’s done this in the past – was an interesting tip-toe’ing around the question that heavily suggests that there were off ice issues involved in that trade.

    Would love to know the scandalous details 😛

  85. Bag of Pucks says:

    What started this speculation for me is Chiarelli’s comments on what’s he’s looking for in terms of roster makeup.

    When the gentleman at the top says he prefers blondes and you’re a brunette, that may be something to keep in mind.

    And if you’re suggesting Jordan Eberle plays a heavy game or he’s a strong defensive player, I’m sorry but you’re a fanboy and you lose all credibility imo.

    Finally, I agreed with the poster off the hop that there’s no way Chia trades Ebs until he’s certain he can replace the Gs either internally or via the trade return. That doesn’t prevent the possibility of him being on the block for the right return.

  86. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lowetide: It might be Hall if his injury problems continue, but failing that suspect Pouliot or Sekera go. Oilers are about to give $4m a year to Klefbom, he may not develop as they hope so he’s possible. Talbot, Yakupov, and after all of that Eberle when he turns 30 or 31. He’s five or six years from now and by then Edmonton might have a Stanley and he may never leave.

    This is where first impressions will be huge. I would not want to be a player coming out of TC with a slow start this season. The eye in the sky will be watching closely.

  87. Bag of Pucks says:

    hunter1909: Why not just admit you’re a San Diego Gulls fan?

    It’s their head coach. I like his commitment to carrying water and chopping wood.

  88. Bag of Pucks says:

    Gabriel Landeskog is the kind of more complete player you might be able to trade Jordan Eberle for, though I doubt the Avs would go for it straight up.

  89. Tire Fire says:

    Bag of Pucks: It’s their head coach. I like his commitment to carrying water and chopping wood.

    Yeah, it’s just like how Hartley kept focussing on saying “nothing given, everything earned,” and it alienated his Flames club and sewered his team straight to the bottom of the standings. Truly the best way to evaluate a coach is to see what random motto they choose about putting in the work.

  90. Bag of Pucks says:

    Tire Fire: Yeah, it’s just like how Hartley kept focussing on saying “nothing given, everything earned,” and it alienated his Flames club and sewered his team straight to the bottom of the standings.Truly the best way to evaluate a coach is to see what random motto they choose about putting in the work.

    Just guessing, but I think the joke may have gone over your head.

  91. MOAR WINZ PLEEZ says:

    RexLibris,

    Being an oiler fan has become a form of sado-masochism.

    Why aren’t we relishing in last night’s victory?

    Overheard last night, baby Flames bedtime prayer; “yea tho if I walk through the the valley of the shadow of Darnell, I will fear no evil…”

  92. Tire Fire says:

    Bag of Pucks: Just guessing, but I think the joke may have gone over your head.

    Your joke did not work. But by all means, keep doubling down on it.

  93. oliveoilers says:

    This is the current roster of a team.

    http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

    The biggest player is the back-up goalie.

    I made enquiries, and apparently these fellows won something called the ‘Stanley Cup’, repeatedly, and are somewhat considered a good team.

    Here is another current roster:

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

    Their biggest player punches faces and have not made the play-offs for nearly a decade.

    Can someone please explain the ‘Heavy Game’ narrative to me.

  94. Bag of Pucks says:

    oliveoilers:
    This is the current roster of a team.

    http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

    The biggest player is the back-up goalie.

    I made enquiries, and apparently these fellows won something called the ‘Stanley Cup’, repeatedly, and are somewhat considered a good team.

    Here is another current roster:

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

    Their biggest player punches faces and have not made the play-offs for nearly a decade.

    Can someone please explain the ‘Heavy Game’ narrative to me.

    Ask the GM. He’s the one extolling it.

    By heavy, he means the ability to win one on one battles for contested pucks and desired territory.

  95. Bag of Pucks says:

    Tire Fire: Your joke did not work. But by all means, keep doubling down on it.

    K, your mother is ugly and she dresses you funny?

  96. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    oliveoilers: Can someone please explain the ‘Heavy Game’ narrative to me.

    Chiarelli has already qualified that statement, way back after he was hired. To paraphrase:

    This doesn’t mean big players, necessarily, but players who are hard on the puck and tough to play against.

  97. Tire Fire says:

    Bag of Pucks: K, your mother is ugly and she dresses you funny?

    I prefer to think that her face “has character”

    Now, can we get back to my point about it being a silly meme around these parts that ole Coach NeverWins is somehow wrong for having a motto like every other damned coach in the NHL rather than judging him on his strategy on the ice?

  98. Bag of Pucks says:

    On a more positive note, Jeff Fisher has built himself another stellar defence.

  99. Bag of Pucks says:

    Tire Fire: I prefer to think that her face “has character”

    Now, can we get back to my point about it being a silly meme around these parts that ole Coach NeverWins is somehow wrong for having a motto like every other damned coach in the NHL rather than judging him on his strategy on the ice?

    I posted a list two dozen deep on Eakins’ flaws the other day. His branding was the least of his errors but imo encapsulates the stubbornness that was his fatal flaw.

  100. Tire Fire says:

    Bag of Pucks: I posted a list two dozen deep on Eakins’flaws the other day. His branding was the least of his errors but imo encapsulates the stubbornness that was his fatal flaw.

    All coaches have these sayings. His is no more outlandish than Hartley’s. These mottoes are certainly a bit silly, but I’ve seen strings of comments on here bring up Eakin’s motto as if it’s some real point that sheds light on something. It’s annoying. Worse yet, it’s boring.

  101. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I have yet to see Eberle hold his own in the playoffs, I’ve also yet to see Hall, RNH, Yakupov, or Klefbom do the same. Let’s trade for some playoff calibre talent. Chara, Lucic, McQuaid, Shawn Thornton,

  102. Bag of Pucks says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    I have yet to see Eberle hold his own in the playoffs, I’ve also yet to see Hall, RNH, Yakupov, or Klefbom do the same. Let’s trade for some playoff calibre talent. Chara, Lucic, McQuaid, Shawn Thornton,

    We’re a heartbeat away from a Hitler reference I’m sure.

  103. wheatnoil says:

    JD¡™ David O’Connor’s Reel: Chiarelli has already qualified that statement, way back after he was hired. To paraphrase:

    This doesn’t mean big players, necessarily, but players who are hard on the puck and tough to play against.

    He mentioned size a lot more in his interview yesterday, but again qualified it using Chicago as an example. He also felt it was a team approach as much of a personnel thing.

    That said, he also brought up Slepyshev’s weight, emphasized Draisaitl’s size, and made other references to size being important, so I think we’ll see in time what he really means.

  104. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    wheatnoil: That said, he also brought up Slepyshev’s weight, emphasized Draisaitl’s size, and made other references to size being important, so I think we’ll see in time what he really means.

    I admit, I haven’t listened to his interview yet, but both are skilled players. Of course he’s going to put emphasis on skilled players with size, but that doesn’t mean he’s going to trade Eberle for Jordan Nolan.

  105. oliveoilers says:

    JD¡™ David O’Connor’s Reel: Chiarelli has already qualified that statement, way back after he was hired. To paraphrase:

    This doesn’t mean big players, necessarily, but players who are hard on the puck and tough to play against.

    Precisely. And yet even armed with this, some still translate that to mean “huge, knuckle dragging, face punchers that can’t play hockey, but can end careers.”

    It’s how John Scott is still in the league.

  106. G Money says:

    Ubergeek question:

    I’m trying to implement my own version of ‘score adjusted Corsi’.

    I do not particularly like the original Tulsky version (the adjustments he proposed never made intuitive sense to me; doesn’t mean they’re not valid, just if I can’t parse the “why” or the reasons for the “how”, I can’t trust it).

    However, Micah Blake McCurdy proposed a different adjustment methodology, which makes intuitive sense to me, so I like it a whole lot more.

    Unfortunately, the adjustment coefficients he calculated were posted at sensstats.com, which is now dead.

    I was going to DM him on Twitter to see if he can send them to me, but before I do that, thought I’d ask if anyone here knows if they are posted somewhere else?

  107. hunter1909 says:

    Bag of Pucks: It’s their head coach. I like his commitment to carrying water and chopping wood.

    Skill players beware. Guy Lafleur would have busted faster than Yaks might yet.

    Which arguably finishes that debate. World Championships star Eberle is still the only bona fide threat on the starboard side. Trading him now could easily cripple the team for even more misery.

    Do you want more misery?

    Thinking of as many good current Chiarelli additions:

    Talbot(best available goalie this off season)
    Sekera: best available defenceman this summer
    Reinhart: 3rd Memorial Cup MVP added to the young core – Nothing other than some rushed development which ails him, McLellan will know what to do to get him back up to his top rated game.
    Gryba; Tough, tough player who can play a little hockey, replacing butter soft former failed blue liners from the last freaking decade
    McDavid, Nurse, and superstar junior Disraitl also set to join the team at various points of the season.

    Hall+Eberle(sorry lol) freaking starred in the World Championships playing wing for Crosby. This can be described as a huge “tell” for their potential to seamlessly continues with McDavid. That’s right. Hall+_Eberle, arguably the Oilers top players now “reduced” to supporting the best new player since Crosby/Ovechkin/Lindros/Mario/Wayne/Orr. The chance of them busting: ZERO.

    Finally, your opinion is interesting, despite the fact I disagree with it.

    In 40 games, Oiler’s New(!) Management team will start to decide exactly where, when and how they ever start the eventual process of moving individual players. I’d like them to keep everyone for the season. I still don’t feel ready to start calling Brooklyn Islander star forward Nail Yakupov a bust, like I’ll probably feel like having to when he’s finally shipped out.

  108. oliveoilers says:

    Hey Rex,

    How FlamesNation taking the pounding?

  109. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Bag of Pucks: We’re a heartbeat away from a Hitler reference I’m sure.

    Krug, Smith, Pastrnak, Seguin, Ryder all guys who were not particularly big, physical, or great in their own ends and played some feature roles in Boston. Just because Chia likes the type of player doesn’t mean he’s going to trade every one off the roster.

    You can say “hey I like Landeskog as a replacement”, great. Colorado wouldn’t touch that trade off with a 40ft pole. Not sure what this player will look like, you have to imagine a drop in offence to make up for Eberle’s “one dimensionality”. Hornqvist?

    The team that was just 26th in goals for shouldn’t trade their leading scorer 3 of the last 5 years.

  110. wheatnoil says:

    JD¡™ David O’Connor’s Reel: I admit, I haven’t listened to his interview yet, but both are skilled players. Of course he’s going to put emphasis on skilled players with size, but that doesn’t mean he’s going to trade Eberle for Jordan Nolan.

    Oh, I agree. I’m just pointing out that this last interview really did seem to emphasize ‘size’.

    If you look at his actions… sure he’s brought in some size (Gryba, Reinhart) but Letestu is not a big man and Korpikoski has skill, while Sekera isn’t huge either. Even for the ‘heavier’ acquisition of Gryba, there’s reasonable evidence that he can play adequate NHL hockey in the role given to him.

    So, I’m not terribly worried or anything, but he did seem to go out of his way to emphasize that, in addition to wanting to play a heavier game, he did think size mattered quite a bit. It made me wonder, not that he’d ignore skill, but how much of a chance he’d give an under-sized skill guy. The guys he drafted weren’t overly huge, but weren’t small either. He did employ and extend Torey Krug in Boston.

    Guys like Joey Legs may have a bit of an uphill battle getting on the roster based on his verbal, but we’ll see what happens if and when Laleggia earns a shot, whether he gets one or not.

  111. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    wheatnoil: He did employ and extend Torey Krug in Boston.

    Wasn’t Krug one of the younger players in the org that Chiarelli talked about when deciding not to re-sign Ference, on ‘Behind the B’? He and Bartkowski?

  112. wheatnoil says:

    G Money:
    Ubergeek question:

    I’m trying to implement my own version of ‘score adjusted Corsi’.

    I do not particularly like the original Tulsky version (the adjustments he proposed never made intuitive sense to me; doesn’t mean they’re not valid, just if I can’t parse the “why” or the reasons for the “how”, I can’t trust it).

    However, Micah Blake McCurdy proposed a different adjustment methodology, which makes intuitive sense to me, so I like it a whole lot more.

    Unfortunately, the adjustment coefficients he calculated were posted at sensstats.com, which is now dead.

    I was going to DM him on Twitter to see if he can send them to me, but before I do that, thought I’d ask if anyone here knows if they are posted somewhere else?

    I believe what you’re looking for is here…
    http://www.hockeyviz.com/senstats.html

  113. Mr. D. says:

    My take is Gryba plays unless he shits the bed which he seldom does. As far as defensive physicality that’s his game and who knows his offense may awaken.

  114. wheatnoil says:

    McDavid out tomorrow (healthy), Moroz and Chase with minor injuries, Laurikainen starts according to Michaels, Rishaug and Matheson.

  115. G Money says:

    wheatnoil: I believe what you’re looking for is here…
    http://www.hockeyviz.com/senstats.html

    Awesome, thanks! I figured someone would have it.

    I may still have to ping Micah.

    One of the things his more recent article mentioned is that, with the score-and-venue adjustments, adjusted Corsi outperforms adjusted Fenwick in all situations. But the coefficients in the original article are only for adjusted Fenwick, and the newer one doesn’t have them for Corsi. Very odd.

  116. AsiaOil says:

    You can’t discuss Eberle (a very good offensive player but lacking size and physicality) without talking about the context of the other top 6 players.

    Chia said this directly when talking about the centers and mentioning that Nuge and McD are great but are both smaller, more finesse players than preferred. Add Eberle to that group along with Taylor Hall who is far less “imposing” than he should be – and you have what we have – a talented but soft top 6. The centers are untouchable so the heaviness will need to be supplied by the wingers. Hall can up that part of his game and Pou is fine – but RW cannot be home to another couple of soft players if you expect to win tough games late in the year and on the road – just can’t – and there is a reason teams like St Louis just laughed at the Oilers when they tried to compete in days past.

    So this isn’t really about Eberle – it’s about mix – and Eberle the player has some mix issues that may see him traded. Ebs would be untouchable on a bigger tougher top 6 than could afford and protect a softer scorer. If Yak can get his act together (since he does have the physical game which Eberle has shown no ability to play) then Ebs could be traded and you pick up another 2nd line tough RW which is not impossible.

  117. wheatnoil says:

    #Caps have invited C Derek Roy to training camp on a professional tryout basis. Will report to camp later this week.— Mike Vogel (@VogsCaps) September 13, 2015

  118. Bag of Pucks says:

    AsiaOil:
    When can’t discuss Eberle (a very good offensive player but lacking size and physicality) without talking about the context of the other top 6 players.

    Chia said this directly when talking about the centers and mentioning that Nuge and McD are great but are both smaller, more finesse players than preferred. Add Eberle to that group along with Taylor Hall who is far less “imposing” than he should be – and you have what we have – a talented but soft top 6. The centers are untouchable so the heaviness will need to be supplied by the wingers. Hall can up that part of his game and Pou is fine – but RW cannot be home to another couple of soft players if you expect to win tough games late in the year and on the road – just can’t – and there is a reason teams like St Louis just laughed at the Oilers when they tried to compete in days past.

    So this isn’t really about Eberle – it’s about mix – and Eberle the player has some mix issues that may see him traded. Ebs would be untouchable on a bigger tougher top 6 than could afford and protect a softer scorer. If Yak can get his act together (since he does have the physical game which Eberle has shown no ability to play) then Ebs could be traded and you pick up another 2nd line tough RW which is not impossible.

    Great post

  119. oliveoilers says:

    Ughhhh……It’s like pissing in the wind with some on here.

    A guy plays from day one against the very best D the league has to offer, consistently putting up points on par with the league’s best wingers (see my previous posts ref. Pat Kane), is extremely durable, playing with an injury for half of last season and still producing, and yet he’s ‘Soft’. Because he doesn’t try check guys into the next week every shift. Because he’s never won a cup. And Jake Fucking Virtenan was seen by some as having a good game the other night because he plays a ‘Hard’ game.

    I’ll let some of you into a secret: Jake Virtenan had an absolutely terrible game the other night.

    He represented the Canucks skill. He was their best player and all offense should have gone through him. Only he was more interested in laying the smack down on some poor sod and playing the agitator. That’s what your 3rd/4th bit part players are for. Not your number one prospect. I would have been pissed if I was a Canucks fan seeing that display, as the Oilers said “Thanks Jake” and proceeded to kick the shit out of them without worrying about the Canucks offense. But hey! We got Jake Virtenan, right? Did you see that hit on McDavid?

    And yet Virtenan is exactly the type of player that you would happily trade one of the top RW in the game for, because of ‘soft’.

    No-one says that Ebs leans on players and strips the puck a la Drai. Nobody says he crushes opponents and them fights them if they don’t like it a la Lucic. But playing on the 1st line and putting up the numbers he has on a truly shitty team? That’s tough.

  120. AsiaOil says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Thanks BoP – the Jays are a great recent example of how adding a couple of key guys with the right skills and attitude can completely change a talented but under-performing group. Gotta give to get and you can’t fall in love with players. Even though Eberle is a damn nice player – his game will be a problematic fit with the two finesse, skill centers. RW depth is a problem though and Yak getting his junk together would make this a much easier problem.

  121. LadiesloveSmid says:

    oliveoilers,

    they could use a RW version of Pouliot in the 3RW slot playing with Lander/Drai or sliding up the lineup. Trading Eberle for that kind of player is asinine. Yakupov is running on potential and has hardly carried the 3rd line offensive load. Edmonton needs 1 more Eberle, not 1 less.

  122. Bag of Pucks says:

    AsiaOil:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Thanks BoP – the Jays are a great recent example of how adding a couple of key guys with the right skills and attitude can completely change a talented but under-performing group. Gotta give to get and you can’t fall in love with players. Even though Eberle is a damn nice player – his game will be a problematic fit with the two finesse, skill centers. RW depth is a problem though and Yak getting his junk together would make this a much easier problem.

    Exactly. It’s about team not individuals. Building a versatile roster that can play any style of game thrown at it.

    Untouchable players on a cellar dweller? Curious. There is one untouchable and he played his first game for us Friday night.

  123. jfry says:

    one thing still remains true, you can’t talk about eberle without people saying crazy things and comparing him to players he is not (ovie, kane, gretzky, etc). wow.

    i think there are two important things that have to be said out of this conversation, one of which bag of pucks was trying to bring up before playoff and stanley and trade talk came about:

    1) eberle is not a strong defensive player. often is the first one out of his zone. and is certainly not a player you say, “wow, i can’t believe how he turned on the jets to break up that 2 on 1.” we’ve all watched him for many years now and i think it’s very fair to say that he is average, to below average when it comes to anything on his end of the ice. he’s not samwise bad, but frankly he’s not a lot better. (please don’t bite my head off for suggesting this — it’s been an undercurrent around here for years). eberle’s springing-the-zone/60 is absolutely elite. it’s also one of the long standing issues we’ve had as a team, because he’s not the only one. samwise would, hall DOES, etc. For all of eberle’s amazing qualities, can we please not overlook his defensive woes? he’s not a strong defensive player. i think that’s a fair statement.

    2) with a new CEO, manager, and coach, i think it’s a little foolish for all of us to be talking about “the core”. There have been players here for several years that are signed to long term contracts. Those teams have done horribly. I think we should be very careful about anointing people as “core” because of the past. Eberle and hall could retire here, which is great. But even this blog is talking about two separate clusters that divides the “core” around the nuge draft.

    k, you can all go back to your regularly scheduled eberle love-in! :)

  124. AsiaOil says:

    oliveoilers,

    It’s not about Eberle being a bad player – he’s a great player – it’s about winning. The VAN game was a good example of what Chia calls “push-back. The wingers on McD’s line pushed back hard in response to Vitanen’s challenge and the team whose game went to hell was VAN. A top 6 of McD, Nuge, Ebs, Hall, Pou and Purcell will get rolled for their lunch money every damn morning – and exactly who out of that group will “push back”?

    Eberle is who he is and he’s great at what he does – but he’s the wrong player going forward with RNH and CMD at center. Taylor Hall also has to grow up and man up going forward and Yak has to get his act together. If that happens you can trade Eberle for a damn nice return and picking up a tougher 2nd line RW is not that hard.

  125. sliderule says:

    Under Tod I saw Eberle back checking and marking his man .

    I saw Hall simplifying his game and avoiding turnovers.

    It was a rather amazing transformation that Tod achieved in such a short time.

    I think Chia will give Ebs /Hall a fair amount more rope under Mclellan’s tutelage before he thinks of trading them.

    Competent NHL coaches do make a difference.

  126. oliveoilers says:

    jfry: For all of eberle’s amazing qualities, can we please not overlook his defensive ones? he’s not a strong defensive player. i think that’s a fair statement

    Have any of you actually looked at his stats before posting things like this?

    Hemsky-ing a player is becoming a thing.

    *Hemsky-ing definition: To demonise or under-value a player based on perception of one’s own senses (seen him do it, everybody knows, etc.), despite irrefutable evidence (analytical numbers) to the contrary, often using quasi-truths and half quotes taken, sometimes deliberately, out of context.

    See: Hemsky Fly By, First Off The Ice, Soft Player, Doesn’t Engage Physically

  127. striatic says:

    AsiaOil: exactly who out of that group will “push back”?

    Then isn’t the answer to replace Pouliot and Purcell, not Eberle?

  128. verdad2.0 says:

    Positive that this interviewed is being construed as a precursor to trading Eberle.
    Of course, Hall is the man to trade, if the Oilers actually want to deal with fundamental issue.
    Which again for the umpteenth time this summer is lack of a competent defense, and within that an actual #1 defenseman.
    Until that is addressed , expect failure.
    But it is somewhat heartening that Chiarelli has discerned that selfishness and softness are endemic elements of the Oilers. Has the will to flush them out?
    Given that we still have Schultz we should expect little of Chiarelli in order to salvage this season.

    Also, to keep MacTavish is incomprehensible and indefensible.
    We are a laughing stock because of him and Lowe.
    Yet, both collect page checks? Why?

  129. oliveoilers says:

    Where’s WG with the Sutter quote again?

    LOL, if ANY skill player on ANY team is playing ‘Strong D’ for any sustain period of time, your team has big problems.

  130. RexLibris says:

    oliveoilers:
    Hey Rex,

    How FlamesNation taking the pounding?

    With pugnacity, testosterone and truculence.

  131. oliveoilers says:

    RexLibris: With pugnacity, testosterone and truculence.

    Much like Donald Trump’s presidential campaign!

  132. SwedishPoster says:

    So Chiarelli does a 30 minute interview where he on a direct question whether he’s looking to trade one of his young, skilled, but somewhat similar, talents for a player type more lacking and his answer is pretty much no due to how hard it is to aquire top talent and the fact the league has changed in the sense thatfwer player for player trades are made and more teams are locking up their talent longterm so it’s more about internal development than anything. This is being interpreted as him looking to tradeaway Eberle? I don’t get it. My read was that it’s highly unlikely for him to make any big trades this season and instead they’d be looking if they can instill that heavy game in the current group. And add the size he’s coveting from within, with guys like Slepy, Drai, I’m sure he loves the idea of having Yakimov in the lineup.

    There will be trades. But my guess is that the really big ones won’t happen until the spring and summer of 2017.

  133. verdad2.0 says:

    SwedishPoster,

    So kiss of the upcoming season, a waste two years of MacDavid?
    He has to make it happen?

    Simple question – do the Oilers trade Eberle straight up for Backes?
    Instant testosterone.

    Discuss

  134. kinger_OIL says:

    – Wow – just read the thread: Did it get high-jacked by what back in the day, I would use a different word for the “mentally challenged”?

    – That’s a 5 minute thread read I can’t get back

    – We had 62 points last year: we are a joke of a franchise, and we’ve got a thread about trading away one of our only elite players?

    – Of all the things that were said in that Chia interview (who by the way, like all good GM’s is lying to Bob for the most part on virtually everything of substance as it pertains to his roster): Eberle: really?

  135. SwedishPoster says:

    Ok, that was a terribly constructed post, I’m on my phone. My point is that I don’t see how anyone is interpreting his interview as a cue to trading Eberle when he says it’s unlikely he’ll trade his skill forward to particular player types. It just doesn’t make sense.

  136. oliveoilers says:

    Just watched the Nurse murder the patient from last night.

    Oh Rasmus, what were you thinking? Channeling your inner Viking? Big E for Effort.

  137. SwedishPoster says:

    verdad2.0,

    We’re not winning the Stanley Cup during McDavids first two seasons, no matter what trades Chia makes. At least if we keep the trades realistic.

  138. verdad2.0 says:

    GMs are paid to make things happen.
    Chiarelli is a MacTavish lap dog, apparently.

    The NSF black hole proves the point.

  139. RexLibris says:

    oliveoilers: Much like Donald Trump’s presidential campaign!

    But with less intellectual integrity.

  140. verdad2.0 says:

    verdad2.0,
    Kiss off, that is.

  141. Rebilled says:

    It’s tough not to watch Nurse destroy that guy over and over and

  142. frjohnk says:

    Fuck it!

    Trade everybody who isn’t at least 2nd generation gorilla.

  143. striatic says:

    There is only one #1D contract in the NHL worth trading Hall’s for, and that deal isn’t happening.

  144. JD¡™ David O'Connor's Reel says:

    verdad2.0:
    verdad2.0,
    Kiss off, that is.

    Please do.

  145. Water Fire says:

    I think you’re right, but after that presser I can’t see Eberle or Schultz staying. There are too many skilled physical players in the system not that far off and neither is that prolific. Eberle is 15th P/60 right wing last year, career .8 PPG. Playing with the centres he has I don’t see that as particularly special although it isn’t bad. Kane is .98 PPG and the Hawks have not had a stable 2C until this summer.

    As for Schultz, unless something goes wrong it seems PC sees the top 4 as Sekera, Klefbom, Nurse and Reinhart and soon it seems. Schultz is too expensive and doesn’t score enough to carry as a specialist on the third pairing IMO. Fayne is also too expensive for 5/6, I think they’ll both move fairly soon, Schultz first.

  146. Pouzar says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Ok, that was a terribly constructed post, I’m on my phone. My point is that I don’t see how anyone is interpreting his interview as a cue to trading Eberle when he says it’s unlikely he’ll trade his skill forward to particular player types. It just doesn’t make sense.

    For the record, I said I “think” Chia wasn’t long for Eberle before the interview.
    Just sayin.

  147. verdad2.0 says:

    JD¡™ David O’Connor’s Reel,

    Kiss off the season , unless Chiarelli actually tries to fundamentally re-invent this roster.

  148. Water Fire says:

    Water Fire:
    I think you’re right, but after that presser I can’t see Eberle or Schultz staying. There are too many skilled physical players in the system not that far off and neither is that prolific. Eberle is 15th P/60 right wing last year, career .8 PPG. Playing with the centres he has I don’t see that as particularly special although it isn’t bad. Kane is .98 PPG and the Hawks have not had a stable 2C until this summer.

    As for Schultz, unless something goes wrong it seems PC sees the top 4 as Sekera, Klefbom, Nurse and Reinhart and soon it seems. Schultz is too expensive and doesn’t score enough to carry as a specialist on the third pairing IMO. Fayne is also too expensive for 5/6, I think they’ll both move fairly soon, Schultz first.

    This was in response to Swedish, new post up.

  149. godot10 says:

    Water Fire:
    I think you’re right, but after that presser I can’t see Eberle or Schultz staying. There are too many skilled physical players in the system not that far off and neither is that prolific. Eberle is 15th P/60 right wing last year, career .8 PPG. Playing with the centres he has I don’t see that as particularly special although it isn’t bad. Kane is .98 PPG and the Hawks have not had a stable 2C until this summer.

    Patrick Kane is $10.5 million per year.

    Eberle is $6 million per year.

    Eberle is far better value for money than Patrick Kane. Let’s see how the Blackhawks do having to pay Kane that much money.

    Perry and Keseel are $8 million.

    Eberle is fantastic value for money for the rest of this contract.

  150. AsiaOil says:

    godot10,

    Agree but that’s arguing the wrong point. Eberle is a very good player – but he’s a poor fit going forward with smaller centers like RNH & CMD. If RNH & Drai are your top 2 then maybe is works lomgterm with him in the lineup – but not with RNH and CMD. It’s about team mix not individual players and stats – winning in the NHL is not a video game or roto league. You don’t shop Eberle – but if someone calls and wants to overpay – you certainly listen.

  151. godot10 says:

    AsiaOil:
    godot10,

    Agree but that’s arguing the wrong point. Eberle is a very good player – but he’s a poor fit going forward with smaller centers like RNH & CMD. If RNH & Drai are your top 2 then maybe is works lomgterm with him in the lineup – but not with RNH and CMD. It’s about team mix not individual players and stats – winning in the NHL is not a video game or roto league. You don’t shop Eberle – but if someone calls and wants to overpay – you certainly listen.

    Nugent-Hopkin and McDavid are NOT smaller centres anymore. Nugent-Hopkins was light, he is now nearly average weight, and over six feet. McDavid is bigger than Hall already, and over 200 lbs.

  152. Bruce McCurdy says:

    AsiaOil:
    godot10,

    Agree but that’s arguing the wrong point. Eberle is a very good player – but he’s a poor fit going forward with smaller centers like RNH & CMD. If RNH & Drai are your top 2 then maybe is works lomgterm with him in the lineup – but not with RNH and CMD. It’s about team mix not individual players and stats – winning in the NHL is not a video game or roto league. You don’t shop Eberle – but if someone calls and wants to overpay – you certainly listen.

    Yeah maybe somebody will offer TWO bags of pucks instead of just the one

  153. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Sorry, just feeling exasperated with this thread.

  154. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Sorry, just feeling exasperated with this thread.

    Eberle’s miles from his past due date and the Oilers don’t yet have a replacement pushing him. It may be an issue someday but trading a defenseman with big cabbage is far more likely.

  155. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide: Eberle’s miles from his past due date and the Oilers don’t yet have a replacement pushing him. It may be an issue someday but trading a defenseman with big cabbage is far more likely.

    When Joey Mullen was the age that Jordan Eberle is today, he’d played one NHL game. Lots of blacktop to come for Ebs.

  156. BONVIE says:

    I’m glad to see the smartest guys that post are in full support of Jordan Eberle, this guy to me is a winner and a clutch goal scorer, and the most consistent scorer we have had on this team. Why would you trade this type of player when we’re about to finally play these important meaningful games that makes Jordan Eberle who he is “mr clutch”.

  157. Surly says:

    oliveoilers:
    Oh Rasmus, what were you thinking?Channeling your inner Viking?Big E for Effort.

    Maybe he heard the gates of Valhalla had been opened for him. Did he yell “Witness Me” before the fight started??!!??

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