NURSE TO BAKERSFIELD, HOME BY CHRISTMAS

As we’ve discussed for several weeks, Darnell Nurse was blocked from an NHL job by the work of Peter Chiarelli this summer. That’s a good thing. Today’s move puts Nurse in a very good position long term, as he can learn the finer points of the pro game outside the NHL, arriving as a more complete player. That’s good news for everyone. Looking at the current depth chart, he’s back by Christmas.

CERTAIN OILERS (19 plus one injury)

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I’m pretty damned excited about this team at center, in 2015-16 and beyond. Hard-working centers who are elite at No. 1 and No. 2 and a range of skills in the No. 3 slot is just about the best setup going. Jordan Eberle’s injury shivs the first month of the season but there’s better depth this year and that could mean avoiding the usual trip into the elevator shaft we see each autumn.

UNCERTAIN OILERS (7)

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The Russian Slepyshev was a revelation during the game last night. Fast, rugged, skilled, and he didn’t even get drafted in his first year of eligibility. Bringing us to a rather incredible question: Has Slepyshev outplayed Yakupov? Small sample size alert but based on visual this man’s game converts very well to the NHL style.

Darnell Nurse was sent down today and that’s news for sure. However, we’re not terribly surprised based on the verbal and tea leaves. Brandon Davidson being here is somewhat akin to Brad Hunt’s presence a year ago, suspect Todd McLellan and Peter Chiarelli (and others) like his game and his cap hit. Good on the Oilers to be looking at those cap advantages this far from the McDavid deal. Wish they could figure a way to get more better blue but Rome wasn’t built in a day. Davidson is blocked by the way, he’ll get sent down unless Edmonton demotes Griffin Reinhart or can make a trade for one of the veterans.

With the injury to Eberle (and Purcell’s healthy status) means there are now four jobs available:

  • Backup goalie (Scrivens or Nilsson)
  • 2line RW to replace Eberle (Draisaitl, Slepyshev)
  • extra forwards (Gazdic, Klinkhammer)

Six men for four jobs and Davidson on the outside looking in unless there’s a deal to be made. Jason Gregor has an article up at ON stating Nilsson can be sent down without waivers, I still think the club makes a decision on a G before opening night. If it’s Nilsson who is the odd man out, Bakersfield gets even stronger.

I think the final four keepers will be Nilsson, Draisaitl, Klinkhammer and Eberle.

THE DISTANT BELLS

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The entire list has been put to bed, not a lot shaking from this group during Todd McLellan’s first TC in Edmonton. That may change in future seasons, but I love the fact McLellan cut down the roster quickly. The Oilers have two pre-season games left and 26 men in camp—we’re pretty much through the process. Whatever happens this fall, I don’t think anyone can point at the coach for wasting time or casting the net too wide. I remain convinced the Oilers management created an environment that lacked urgency a year ago, thus ensuring a ‘soft launch’ to a season that would eventually cost a lot of jobs. Dallas Eakins gets hammered for that across Edmonton media, I’d aim higher. The men who made the decisions that cost fans last season came from inside the house and those management people are still there.

We should not forget that, still work to do.

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  1. AsiaOil says:

    We are stuck with Ference eating popcorn in the PB this season – but a reasonable question could be – is Davidson out-playing Gryba?

    If yes – why not send Gryba down? His cap hit is puny, he’s not in the long term plans, and was acquired at very low cost to add an extra bit of grit. Losing him off waivers bothers me no more than losing Gadzooks given the current logjam of 3rd pair defensemen.

    The question for me is who would be e bigger loss on waivers – Gryba or Davidson – and for me it’s Davidson.

  2. RexLibris says:

    The men who made the decisions that cost fans last season came from inside the house and those management people are still there.

    I think I’ve gone on record enough in wanting to remove Scott Howson from any advisory position within this organization.

    And heaven knows I may never forgive MacTavish for running Petry out of town.

    However, I feel we have to at least include in the discussion the fact that MacTavish may be a fair to good identifier of talent outside of his own roster.

    We’ve seen a major shift in the prospects pushing from below now that the 2013 draft class has arrived at the pro ranks with some experience.

    MacTavish is a part of that.

    Provided Chiarelli puts people in the right place and filters some of the feedback through their past performances, we should be in a good spot.

    When he does finally move that Nikitin contract, I hope he has a good long look around to see what else Howson has advised on, and makes a decision then.

  3. RexLibris says:

    AsiaOil:
    We are stuck with Ference eating popcorn in the PB this season – but a reasonable question could be – is Davidson out-playing Gryba?

    If yes – why not send Gryba down? His cap hit is puny, he’s not in the long term plans, and was acquired at very low cost to add an extra bit of grit. Losing him off waivers bothers me no more than losing Gadzooks given the current logjam of 3rd pair defensemen.

    The question for me is who would be e bigger loss on waivers – Gryba or Davidson – and for me it’s Davidson.

    Agreed. Gryba is now all he ever likely will be.

    Davidson plays the game in a more well-rounded fashion, to my mind, and still has some room to grow.

    Ference is our albatross. We cannot divest ourselves of this contract until he decides it is time to leave or Chiarelli is somehow able to make arrangements to that effect.

  4. hunter1909 says:

    Of course it wasn’t only Dallas “Amway” Eakins.

    This season I’ve noticed that the newish players in camp actually seem to be able to play a little hockey, unlike the MacT era losers brought into camp to screw up the chances of Schremp et al to make the team.

    Lenin’s been a revelation. Schultz has been pretty decent also – my estimation for him went up 10x when he took a slapshot instead of that bloody wrister he always relied on in seasons gone by.

    The defence hasn’t ran a single fire drill in pre season either. The overall team AWARENESS has improved tremendously, going through the 6″ ceiling set by previous management.

  5. marty62 says:

    RexLibris: I think I’ve gone on record enough in wanting to remove Scott Howson from any advisory position within this organization.

    And heaven knows I may never forgive MacTavish for running Petry out of town.

    However, I feel we have to at least include in the discussion the fact that MacTavish may be a fair to good identifier of talent outside of his own roster.

    We’ve seen a major shift in the prospects pushing from below now that the 2013 draft class has arrived at the pro ranks with some experience.

    MacTavish is a part of that.

    Provided Chiarelli puts people in the right place and filters some of the feedback through their past performances, we should be in a good spot.

    When he does finally move that Nikitin contract, I hope he has a good long look around to see what else Howson has advised on, and makes a decision then.

    I agree I would feel better if we bum rushed Howson out the side door… and i know I wont ever forgive MacT for his assessment of Petry and screwing the pooch in that whole situation

  6. Mr DeBakey says:

    Jason Gregor has an article up at ON stating Nilsson can be sent down without waivers

    Has anyone who is good at this stuff verified this assertion?

    If its true, then Nilsson should go to Bakersfield to start. He hasn’t set North American hockey on its ear in the past.

    This would ensure the Oilers some depth at G heading into the season

  7. AsiaOil says:

    Waivers is irrelevant – you send down or waive whoever is 3rd best – right now that’s Scrivens as far as I can see. But still one more game to make the final call. I figure they give whoever they’re leaning toward as #2 one more period tomorrow to solidify the decision, and then Talbot gets the rest of the PS time to prepare. Best man has to win or all this “competition” talk is just BS.

    Mr DeBakey:
    Jason Gregor has an article up at ON stating Nilsson can be sent down without waivers

    Has anyone who is good at this stuff verified this assertion?

    If its true, then Nilsson should go to Bakersfield to start.He hasn’t set North American hockeyon its ear in the past.

    This would ensure the Oilers some depth at G heading into the season

  8. Zelepukin says:

    RexLibris: Agreed. Gryba is now all he ever likely will be.

    Davidson plays the game in a more well-rounded fashion, to my mind, and still has some room to grow.

    Ference is our albatross. We cannot divest ourselves of this contract until he decides it is time to leave or Chiarelli is somehow able to make arrangements to that effect.

    The sad reality is that these decisions will only be made after witnessing first hand which d-man is producing more errors against actual NHL forwards. Luckily, will find out very quickly who deserves to stick around.

  9. verdad2.0 says:

    Of course men like Howson, MacTavish and Lowe should be erased for their blunders.
    Totally agree.

    But we have no evidence that Chiarellii is any better. The defense is still lousy. He has not fixed it.
    Putting Nurse in the minors is just inexplicable if the objective is not to make the playoffs anyway.

    If this team is serious about making the playoffs then it will have move some forwards to fix the defense. That should have been done this past June but Chiarelli dithered.

    Franson and Erhoff were there. He ignored them inexplicably.
    Buy-outs were not used, the same garbage will be out on the OIler blueline

    Why are we cursed with incompetent management?
    OEL beckons.

  10. MOAR WINZ PLEEZ says:

    verdad2.0,

    Next…

  11. BlueNoteNorth says:

    Eberle’s injury opens up the option to keep Draisaitl, Klinkhammer and Gazdic plus 8 defence.

    Without Eberle hurt, Gazdic might have been waived.

    PC now has several weeks to try to move a defenceman.

    Moreover, it is highly likely that someone else will be hurt when Eberle is ready to return.

    If not, the decision at that time could be between Gazdic and Gryba.

  12. verdad2.0 says:

    MOAR WINZ PLEEZ,
    read Moby Dick
    If you want to find God, you have do seek the great white whale.
    The metaphor applies to the Oilers.

    If you want a decent defence make it happen. Don’t keep expecting miracles from the inadequate.

  13. T0ML says:

    Sorry to ask again, but…

    Ive seen a few people mention Slepyshev cannot bet sent down to the AHL if he starts here, is this actually true, or just an inside joke I missed (Regular lurker ….. too many damn projects going out recently to follow the threads)?

  14. JDï™ says:

    Ignore the troll.

  15. JDï™ says:

    T0ML: Slepyshev

    No, you just caught Pouzar’s salty comments about if he should go down to the AHL or not. Slepy can be sent down at any time, without fear of waivers.

  16. Lowetide says:

    T0ML:
    Sorry to ask again, but…

    Ive seen a few people mention Slepyshev cannot bet sent down to the AHL if he starts here, is this actually true, or just an inside joke I missed (Regular lurker ….. too many damn projects going out recently to follow the threads)?

    I don’t think there’s a rule like that.

  17. T0ML says:

    K thanks, didn’t think so. But i saw two or three posts to that effect and got a bit confused.

    Nice article though ! Thanks for the good reads, makes the day go by quicker typically

  18. LMHF#1 says:

    Would be excellent if they could move out Purcell. He doesn’t fit this group, even with Eberle out.

    If it is on merit alone Davidson stays. He’s been better than the guys he needs to beat.

  19. steveb12344 says:

    verdad2.0:
    MOAR WINZ PLEEZ,
    read Moby Dick
    If you want to find God, you have do seek the Oliver Ekman Larsson
    The metaphor applies to the Verdad 2.0.

    Fixed That For You

  20. geowal says:

    verdad2.0:
    MOAR WINZ PLEEZ,
    read Moby Dick
    If you want to find God, you have do seek the great white whale.
    The metaphor applies to the Oilers.

    If you want a decent defence make it happen. Don’t keep expecting miracles from the inadequate.

    I remember a time when all Oilers management did was go whale hunting. I don’t believe it went well.
    In fact it was a generally embarrassing period for the organization. Guess they weren’t good whalers. And they forgot to keep fishing.

  21. Spoils says:

    Slepy would have been on the distant bell list at the start of camp, no?

  22. kinger_OIL says:

    – As a first Expo fan, then Blue Jays once I moved to Toronto, it’s been a treat this year, and a lesson perhaps for the Oil

    – The Jays sucked for a long time after they were champions

    – Then they were mediocre for a long time

    – Then suddenly with a few trades, they have become a dominant team, with a .750 winning record since all-star game, and trades

    – First step for the Oil is to not suck this year: that’s all I’m asking for: just don’t suck anymore.

  23. Lowetide says:

    Spoils:
    Slepy would have been on the distant bell list at the start of camp, no?

    Before official TC rosters released he would have been.. Once the rosters came out, with no invites, pretty obvious they were going to look at what they had

    http://lowetide.ca/2015/09/17/make-it-five/

  24. MOAR WINZ PLEEZ says:

    verdad2.0:
    MOAR WINZ PLEEZ,
    read Moby Dick
    If you want to find God, you have do seek the great white whale.
    The metaphor applies to the Oilers.

    If you want a decent defence make it happen. Don’t keep expecting miracles from the inadequate.

    Didn’t that end badly? for everyone? Including the whale?

    I guess I’m going to have to agree with you there, this metaphor has unfortunately applied to the Oilers in the past, hopefully no more. Although, capt. Ahab is still on the ship

  25. geowal says:

    MOAR WINZ PLEEZ,

    Looks like we apply this metaphor the same way

  26. Adam Wu says:

    So Moby Dick is the metaphor du jour now?

    Does Verdad not know what actually happened to poor pathetic Ahab in the end?

  27. Adam Wu says:

    Chiarelli has a proven track record of managerial competence.

    If it is true that he is “no better” than MacT et al, then what that means is that MacT et al was not as bad as we thought/think, and the Oilers situation he walked into was simply THAT intractable.

    Let’s not forget, at least half the positive arrows we are all raving about this preseason were the fruit of MacT’s management, which Chiarelli inherited.

  28. Магия 10 says:

    AsiaOil: ee. But still one more game to make the final call.

    They’re all undefeated against joke rosters. They waived Lander a year ago on the basis he did not win a spot in pre season. Brilliant move that.

    There will be a 3 man rotation for a short while with the waivable one coming back up if he proves he’s better over at least 5 real games.

  29. Bank Shot says:

    AsiaOil:
    We are stuck with Ference eating popcorn in the PB this season – but a reasonable question could be – is Davidson out-playing Gryba?

    If yes – why not send Gryba down? His cap hit is puny, he’s not in the long term plans, and was acquired at very low cost to add an extra bit of grit. Losing him off waivers bothers me no more than losing Gadzooks given the current logjam of 3rd pair defensemen.

    The question for me is who would be e bigger loss on waivers – Gryba or Davidson – and for me it’s Davidson.

    I thought we learned this lesson over the past 9 years.

    The Oilers have Klefbom (One NHL season), and Reinhart (Rookie), and we want to add another rookie in Davidson to the mix?

    Then after a couple of injuries we are playing 4-5 rookies in our starting six.

    Maybe we can relive the death march of 06/07. Those were good times.

    Lets see some regular season games. All the young Oiler guys are giving it their all against crap competiton at the moment.

    There is no end to the amount of prospects that we all thought looked good in preseason and then amounted to not much.

  30. dessert1111 says:

    I read Moby Dick last year. Good prose, but very long, and lots of digressions.

    But yeah the moral is the opposite of ‘whale hunting is a good idea.’

    Almost the regular season!!! Woooooo

  31. AsiaOil says:

    Actually at this point I would have:

    Sekera Fayne
    Klef Shultz
    Reinhart Nikitin

    Ference is stuck in the PB and you choose between Gryba/Davidson for his popcorn munching partner. So it’s a little less dramatic than you suggest.

    Bank Shot: I thought we learned this lesson over the past 9 years.

    The Oilers have Klefbom (One NHL season), and Reinhart (Rookie), and we want to add another rookie in Davidson to the mix?

    Then after a couple of injuries we are playing 4-5 rookies in our starting six.

    Maybe we can relive the death march of 06/07. Those were good times.

    Lets see some regular season games. All the young Oiler guys are giving it their all against crap competiton at the moment.

    There is no end to the amount of prospects that we all thought looked good in preseason and then amounted to not much.

  32. Caramel Obvious says:

    No one should ever make a roster on the basis of training camp. It’s rank craziness. You wouldn’t make a decision based on a random two weeks during the season, why make a decision based on a much less meaningful sample size.

    Simply put there is no such thing as making the team on merit in training camp.

  33. Lackadaisical says:

    Someone breakdown Chia’s track record for us so far?

    We have the dropping of Marincin essentially for Gryba. We have what many to believe to be an over payment for Reinhart. Miss on Dougie, Ernhoff, Franson. No buyouts.

    On the bright side, we acquired Talbot, Sekera, Korpikoski. Klefbom signed to a great contract.

    Is this trending in the good direction for us? Apologies if I forgot anything.

  34. kinger_OIL says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    No one should ever make a roster on the basis of training camp.It’s rank craziness.You wouldn’t make a decision based on a random two weeks during the season, why make a decision based on a much less meaningful sample size.

    Simply put there is no such thing as making the team on merit in training camp.

    – Well except last year the Oil Brass were ready to sign that midget russian who turns out is sh%t, and didn’t get drafted this year either, but based on about 4 good games in pre season, he was signed, untill the league had to explain the rules to our management group (none having been fired yet).

  35. Lowetide says:

    Lackadaisical:
    Someone breakdown Chia’s track record for us so far?

    We have the dropping of Marincin essentially for Gryba.We have what many to believe to be an over payment for Reinhart.Miss on Dougie, Ernhoff, Franson.No buyouts.

    On the bright side, we acquired Talbot, Sekera, Korpikoski.Klefbom signed to a great contract.

    Is this trending in the good direction for us?Apologies if I forgot anything.

    Most of it is here
    http://lowetide.ca/2015/08/23/b-flat-and-follow-the-changes-chiarellis-summer/

  36. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    Just an off topic FYI, since the name has come up – TSN has Glencross on another PTO, this time with Colorado. Apologies if this has already been posted.

  37. pocession charge says:

    Lackadaisical:
    Someone breakdown Chia’s track record for us so far?

    We have the dropping of Marincin essentially for Gryba.We have what many to believe to be an over payment for Reinhart.Miss on Dougie, Ernhoff, Franson.No buyouts.

    On the bright side, we acquired Talbot, Sekera, Korpikoski.Klefbom signed to a great contract.

    Is this trending in the good direction for us?Apologies if I forgot anything.

    Are you being serious? The positives vastly outweigh any negatives. And the negatives you stated are questionable. He made the better offer for Hamilton and got screwed. The UFA’s you mentioned were never guaranteed to come to Edmonton (Ehrhoff has a nasty concussion history, Franson was not going to move the dial anymore than Jultz). The non-buyouts will provide cap savings for next season. Gryba doesn’t look very good but Marincin isn’t exactly setting the hockey world on fire.

    His track record is manager of a Stanley Cup winner in ’11. Who would be better qualified to run this team?

  38. geowal says:

    dessert1111:
    I read Moby Dick last year. Good prose, but very long, and lots of digressions.

    But yeah the moral is the opposite of ‘whale hunting is a good idea.’
    Almost the regular season!!!

    It just occurred to me my mental image of Moby Dick has somehow been replaced by
    “The old man and the sea”

  39. G Money says:

    verdad2.0: OEL beckons.

    Just out of curiousity – is this in your dreams, with OEL standing naked by his bed?

    If so, your dream about OEL means something other than what you think it means.

    (Not that there’s anything wrong with that)

  40. pocession charge says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    No one should ever make a roster on the basis of training camp.It’s rank craziness.You wouldn’t make a decision based on a random two weeks during the season, why make a decision based on a much less meaningful sample size.

    Simply put there is no such thing as making the team on merit in training camp.

    So true. The preseason competition is a farce. They play pseudo AHL teams with a sprinkling of NHLers who don’t give a shit. Stick with the plan. Earlier I was thinking that Nurse should make the team, but I’m very happy that he was sent to Bakersfield. This was the correct path.

  41. dustrock says:

    If Ference isn’t in the lineup tomorrow, is it possible he might be retiring?

    On Nilsson, one guy on Twitter said he wasn’t sure he agreed with Gregor. Maybe one of our CBA experts can illuminate. Gregor said the KHL season didn’t count as one of the years, which seems a little crazy, but it’s the CBA.

  42. pocession charge says:

    G Money,

    Hey did you watch the last UFC Fight Night? Uriah Hall…omfg. His performance was like something from a movie.

  43. G Money says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    No one should ever make a roster on the basis of training camp.It’s rank craziness.You wouldn’t make a decision based on a random two weeks during the season, why make a decision based on a much less meaningful sample size.

    Simply put there is no such thing as making the team on merit in training camp.

    I hate to agree with you, but I agree with you.

    If you are a bubble player, you cannot play yourself onto the team in pre-season.

    It means very little, because they’re meaningless games against AHL or sub-AHL competition.

    You can, however, play yourself OFF the team in pre-season.

    Because if you’re a bubble player, you’re on audition, and if you can’t produce against sub-AHL competition, you get sent away.

    Preseason tells you which new players aren’t good enough, it doesn’t tell you anything about who is good enough against NHL players in real games.

    Oiler fans should know this as well as anyone.

  44. Pouzar says:

    pocession charge:
    G Money,

    Hey did you watch the last UFC Fight Night?Uriah Hall…omfg.His performance was like something from a movie.

    I watched it. I decided to check the odds on my bet365.com account was feverishly trying to get a bet in on Hall (4:1) and was too late. Loved those odds for that dude. Crazy athlete.

  45. J-Bo says:

    I was at the game last night and Klinkhammer is making this team! He was excellent last night! That said, I think it is wishful thinking that you left Gazdic out LT. Do you really think they send him out? I don’t think there is even a remote possibility that they cut Gazdic. I think they send both Davidson and Reinhart, Gryba, or Nikitin before they do that.

    I think they start with:
    Pouliot – Nuge – Purcell
    Hall – McDavid – Draisaitl
    Korpikoski – Lander – Yakupov
    Hendricks – Letestu – Klinkhammer
    Gazdic

    Sekera – Fayne
    Klefbom – Schultz
    Reinhart – Nikitin
    Ference – Gryba

    Talbot
    Nillson

    By the time Eberle comes back (barring further injuries) they will have the defense sorted out and waive Nikitin or Gryba or send Reinhart down.

    On another note, McDavid was breathtaking last night! Seriously! For me he was the best player on the ice by a mile and should have been second star hands down! Nikitin was pretty awful though. I don’t understand what some people are seeing in his game. His pivot in particular is awful, his skating overall is not good, his shot wasn’t looking great, his passing and offensive awareness was not strong and his defensive awareness was simply passable. Maybe he can turn it around, but with a pivot like that, I’m not seeing it from here…

  46. G Money says:

    pocession charge,

    I did, though that was a bit by accident.

    I’m not sure what to make of that performance. It was a great shot, but I wonder if he could do it again! I thought he was losing, or at least not winning, the fight until then.

    (personally, back kicks, let alone spinning ones, are now my least favourite kick – my nearly-50-year old back just can’t handle the torque anymore!)

  47. Pouzar says:

    J-Bo,

    I was at the game in WPG and Klinkhammer was great there too. A shame if he doesn’t make it.

  48. Lowetide says:

    G Money: Just out of curiousity – is this in your dreams, with OEL standing naked by his bed?

    If so, your dream about OEL means something other than what you think it means.

    (Not that there’s anything wrong with that)

    People people, you’re doing it wrong. If you are in a dream and get to pick the naked person who is with you, aim high. Not Moby Dick!

  49. J-Bo says:

    Pouzar,

    Agreed! he was driving play on that 4th line like crazy! I haven’t seen any stats, but by eye, at even strength that was Edmonton’s best possession line. They continually had the Yotes hemmed in their own zone. Granted, they were playing against Gronk and his minions often enough, but they were still excellent!

  50. Pouzar says:

    J-Bo:
    Pouzar,

    Agreed! he was driving play on that 4th line like crazy! I haven’t seen any stats, but by eye, at even strength that was Edmonton’s best possession line. They continually had the Yotes hemmed in their own zone. Granted, they were playing against Gronk and his minions often enough, but they were still excellent!

    I posted the numbers last night. That whole line led possession. Klink was #1 at 68% and only 33% ZS. Yeah the competition was poor but he isn’t hurting his case to make the team for sure.

  51. oilswell says:

    A lot of the talk here has been about bringing in vets to create honest competition for those spots so the players – especially rookies – are not gifted their roster slot.

    Good. Agreed?

    We agree then that camp is a competition where the coaches are expected to have enough data to know when a rookie beats out a vet?

    OK, then, with that arrangement the deal is this: if the rookie beats out the vet, you send out the vet. Otherwise why bother talking about “honest competition for a spot” when you’re going to select on the basis of contract or experience?

    By my count, this is a question for Nilsson/Scrivens, Reinhart/Gryba, and Draisaitl and Slepshev vs someone they push off the bottom end. I mean, Nilsson and Gryba are Exhibits A and B for bringing in hurdles for the kids that you’re happy they leap over, and have backup if they don’t.

  52. G Money says:

    J-Bo: I haven’t seen any stats, but by eye, at even strength that was Edmonton’s best possession line.

    By stats, they were the best line in the game last night. (68, 62, 61)

    (Coincidentally, by those same stats, Nikitin was the best D in the game last night. 57%)

  53. Tire Fire says:

    Lowetide: People people, you’re doing it wrong. If you are in a dream and get to pick the naked person who is with you, aim high. Not Moby Dick!

    Huh, I was absolutely certain you were heading towards a joke on the 2nd part of the title, but it never went there. Fine. I guess I’m the most immature one then.

  54. pocession charge says:

    G Money:
    pocession charge,

    I did, though that was a bit by accident.

    I’m not sure what to make of that performance.It was a great shot, but I wonder if he could do it again!I thought he was losing, or at least not winning, the fight until then.

    (personally, back kicks, let alone spinning ones, are now my least favourite kick – my nearly-50-year old back just can’t handle the torque anymore!)

    He actually KO’d a guy on the Ultimate Fighter with that kick. Moussasi, amazingly enough, did not go out. But that follow up flying knee was devastating. I agree that he was losing up until that point. Like Pouzar said, he is a freak athlete.

  55. Lowetide says:

    G Money: By stats, they were the best line in the game last night. (68, 62, 61)

    (Coincidentally, by those same stats, Nikitin was the best D in the game last night. 57%)

    He was full value for it.

  56. J-Bo says:

    G Money,

    The difference by eye between Klinkhammer and Nikitin was that Klinkhammer caught my eye with his speed and tenacity, while Nikitin cut my eye with his painstaking pivots! Hahaha!

  57. Nostradumbass says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    No one should ever make a roster on the basis of training camp.It’s rank craziness.You wouldn’t make a decision based on a random two weeks during the season, why make a decision based on a much less meaningful sample size.

    Simply put there is no such thing as making the team on merit in training camp.

    It’s absurd

    I don’t get why coaches don’t walk into the room first day of camp and write on a grease board the 23 players who will break from camp, tell the rest to make the team with their play in the minors

    Ooohhh so and so has 3 goals this pre-season, it’s absolute bunk

    It’s 4 or 5 games against AHL rosters and NHL vets who won’t commit 1 ounce of physicality because risking injury to take a puck to the net in a pre-season game in Saskatoon is about the worst business decision a professional athlete could possibly make

    None of this real or meaningful

  58. striker says:

    G Money: Just out of curiousity – is this in your dreams, with OEL standing naked by his bed?

    If so, your dream about OEL means something other than what you think it means.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4NiqCSqGZNQ/U-1Mrz2WCfI/AAAAAAAAMoQ/_G0mOXckew8/s1600/Screen_Shot_2013-06-07_at_12.33.20_PM.png

  59. One-Timer says:

    G Money: Just out of curiousity – is this in your dreams, with OEL standing naked by his bed?

    If so, your dream about OEL means something other than what you think it means.

    (Not that there’s anything wrong with that)

    Imagine if Chia actually made this unpossible trade.

    Hahahahahah…. hahahahahaha!!!

    Oh my gord. LT would have to cancel this blog.

  60. One-Timer says:

    I might pay 3-digit money to hear Verdad as a guest on the Lowdown. Jeebus. Solid gold comedy as LT constantly swerves away from discussing the Desert Dog.

  61. RexLibris says:

    Stephen Burtch
    ‏@SteveBurtch

    So is Connor McDavid better than Rick Nash? probably not.

  62. JDï™ says:

    RexLibris:
    Stephen Burtch
    ‏@SteveBurtch

    So is Connor McDavid better than Rick Nash? probably not.

    Is Tyler Johnson better than OEL?

  63. One-Timer says:

    RexLibris:
    Stephen Burtch
    ‏@SteveBurtch

    So is Connor McDavid better than Rick Nash? probably not.

    Why are you polluting this blog with “Maple Leaf Superfan” drivel? I don’t care if he teaches math. He’s being an ass.

  64. Lowetide says:

    A 747 is definitely better than a dash 8.

  65. dessert1111 says:

    geowal: It just occurred to me my mental image of Moby Dick has somehow been replaced by
    “The old man and the sea”

    Read that too, albeit a lot longer ago. I get the feeling Hemingway based/ stole the basic idea.

    Melville is a much smoother and more interesting read IMO, lots going on on terms of character sketches outside the main plot, plus witty anecdotes.

  66. Another SK Oilers Fan says:

    Can someone coach players to stop using “obviously” in their interviews? Or is that their code for other players watching the video that the reporter just asked a dumb question? hmm. Someone should keep score over the course of the year and see which player says “obviously” the most this year. They seem to be coached young in it too – McDavid does it too….

  67. Mr DeBakey says:

    Lowetide: A 747 is definitely better than a dash 8.

    Unless you live on a flight path.
    Those Dash 8s then become golden
    Golden

  68. David says:

    G Money: I hate to agree with you, but I agree with you.

    If you are a bubble player, you cannot play yourself onto the team in pre-season.

    It means very little, because they’re meaningless games against AHL or sub-AHL competition.

    You can, however, play yourself OFF the team in pre-season.

    Because if you’re a bubble player, you’re on audition, and if you can’t produce against sub-AHL competition, you get sent away.

    Preseason tells you which new players aren’t good enough, it doesn’t tell you anything about who is good enough against NHL players in real games.

    Oiler fans should know this as well as anyone.

    This is absurd. Draisaitl (if he indeed makes the team which I think we do believe) has played his way onto the team. And if this is the obvious truth that everyone should accept then there should not be a single person here who would vote for Nilsson to win the backup job.

    Preseason is it strange animal and very difficult to assess. But because something is difficult to assess doesn’t mean we should disregard it. There is merit to effective play in preseason.

  69. RexLibris says:

    One-Timer: Why are you polluting this blog with “Maple Leaf Superfan” drivel?I don’t care if he teaches math.He’s being an ass.

    My response:

    Rex Codex Libris ‏@CodexRex 1h1 hour ago

    Rex Codex Libris Retweeted Matt Henderson

    Does the original tweet come with a laugh track, or was it typed in front of a live studio audience?

  70. Yeti says:

    G Money,

    Patrick Thoreson? Ultimate dark horse, bubble guy. Played his way onto the team. It can happen.

  71. "Steve Smith" says:

    J-Bo:
    For me he was the best player on the ice by a mile and should have been second star hands down!

    I do not think that “second” means what you think that it means.

  72. Yeti says:

    “Steve Smith”: I do not think that “second” means what you think that it means.

    No kisses for J-Bo, then?

  73. böök¡je says:

    Player X and Player Y are competing for the same spot coming into camp.

    Going into camp player X is considered the slightly better option.

    Player Y outperforms expectation that were based upon your scouting reports from your 2 scouts watching him in Europe.

    Player X is a little out of shape and is struggling a little when challenged in preseason action.

    Player Y thus plays himself onto the team in training camp.

  74. G Money says:

    David: There is merit to effective play in preseason.

    Yes. It means that with effective play, bubble players, like Draisaitl and Slappy, can keep from playing themselves off the team. Which they’ve done. While others, like Pitlick and Chase showed they aren’t ready, and other bubble players like Oesterle and Laleggia showed they deserve another look down the road.

    The real test is still to be written.

    Other than that, it is a rather sad statement that anyone on this blog can so easily disregard the many lessons learned on both the danger of small sample sizes, and the meaningless of the half-Jr half-AHL (sprinkled with the occasional usually disinterested NHL regular) level of pre-season competition.

    How ludicrous is it that people are anointing Nilsson – he of the career sub-.900 average in 23 NHL games – as the official backup on the basis of 120 minutes of pre-season shutouts against three teams that didn’t ice more than two legitimate NHL snipers between them?

    Slappy’s game looks good. He’s also a 21 year old with 5 years of pro hockey behind him. It would have been pretty shocking if he hadn’t been able to make a difference at this level. Huge step up to doing it in the NHL against NHL players skating for real in meaningful games.

    Pre-season. Means nothing. Nothing. You can prove you’re not good enough, and that’s about it.

    How many pre-season superheros – guys who tear it up in preseason and are completely ineffective in the regular season – do we have to go through before that lesson sinks in?

  75. G Money says:

    böök¡je: Player X is a little out of shape and is struggling a little when challenged in preseason action.
    Player Y thus plays himself onto the team in training camp.

    Uh, no.

    In your scenario, Player X, a bubble player like Player Y, has played himself off the team.

    Player Y has won the right to be on the team when the regular season starts. He will have to deliver in the actual NHL to demonstrate he’s “played himself on” to the team.

    The ultimate condemnation of the Oilers for the last umpteen years is that they had players who demonstrated during pre-season that they weren’t good enough for the NHL – but there was no one else to play, so they made it by default.

  76. G Money says:

    G Money: The ultimate condemnation of the Oilers for the last umpteen years is that they had players who demonstrated during pre-season that they weren’t good enough for the NHL – but there was no one else to play, so they made it by default.

    Yeti: Patrick Thoreson? Ultimate dark horse, bubble guy. Played his way onto the team. It can happen.

    A classic example.

  77. Yeti says:

    G Money: How many pre-season superheros – guys who tear it up in preseason and are completely ineffective in the regular season – do we have to go through before that lesson sinks in?

    I’ll never forgive you for giving up on Rob Shremp.

    But, in all seriousness, don’t you simply create an infallible argument here: any bubble player that ends up on the team simply didn’t play their way off of it. Can’t be wrong there. Of course, whether they ‘played their way onto the team’ or ‘didn’t play their way off the team’ is splitting hairs. The outcome is the same beyond semantics.

  78. Yeti says:

    G Money: A classic example.

    An almost mythological example. That blow to the testicles ended his NHL career. The hammer of Thor, no less.

  79. G Money says:

    Yeti,

    The point I’m trying to make is that pre-season performance is mostly meaningless. It has no correlation to in-season performance.

    The only players that go hard in pre-season are bubble players.

    If a bubble player plays well against the low competition of preseason, then they make it hard to send them away. They’ve earned the chance to show their wares in the NHL – that’s a world away from playing themselves on to the team. The key being – they haven’t demonstrated ANYTHING towards sustaining that performance in the NHL. Such players often fail once they get to the real league. As we’ve seen over and over.

    If a bubble player plays poorly, on the other hand, the idea that they could somehow turn it on for the NHL … tough sell, yes?

    Taylor Hall and Benoit Pouliot on the other hand, proven NHL players, have no points in preseason. Anyone worried that they’re not NHL calibre?

  80. böök¡je says:

    G Money,

    Both players contributed to the shift in their status. Playing oneself on or off is a relative situation. Player X need not play worse than expected to be passed by player Y.

  81. Pouzar says:

    Training camp is a mirage.
    –Martin Marincin

  82. Woodguy says:

    G Money,

    How ludicrous is it that people are anointing Nilsson – he of the career sub-.900 average in 23 NHL games – as the official backup on the basis of 120 minutes of pre-season shutouts against three teams that didn’t ice more than two legitimate NHL snipers between them?

    I’m anointing him for different reasons.

    He’s Chia’s guy
    He’s a very large man
    He’s RFA after this year, whereas Scrivens is UFA
    He’s Chia’s guy
    He’s a guy who was brought in by the GM
    Pete likes him

  83. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Pouzar,

    Mixed reviews coming out of Toronto. Outside chance he hits the waiver wire.

  84. Магия 10 says:

    Woodguy:
    G Money,

    How ludicrous is it that people are anointing Nilsson – he of the career sub-.900 average in 23 NHL games – as the official backup on the basis of 120 minutes of pre-season shutouts against three teams that didn’t ice more than two legitimate NHL snipers between them?

    I’m anointing him for different reasons.

    He’s Chia’s guy
    He’s a very large man
    He’s RFA after this year, whereas Scrivens is UFA
    He’s Chia’s guy
    He’s a guy who was brought in by the GM
    Pete likes him

    Well and fine but if you aren’t looking at results until one proves as starter and another as backup he’ll want 3 chances to have at least Mendoza in net. If Nilsson is exempt its too early to lose scrivens and repeat last year.

  85. frjohnk says:

    G Money: How ludicrous is it that people are anointing Nilsson – he of the career sub-.900 average in 23 NHL games – as the official backup on the basis of 120 minutes of pre-season shutouts against three teams that didn’t ice more than two legitimate NHL snipers between them?

    Here is what Id do with the goaltending.

    1. Id send down Nilsson, He does not require waivers, so this protects our goalie depth
    2. Small sample size in preseason and Nilsson was not really tested like Oiler goalies will be against NHL rosters.
    3. Lets see if Scrivens rebounds somewhat. Give him, I don’t know, 4 out of 12 games, some kind of sample size. If he shits the bed, send him down.
    4. In the case that Scrivens gets sent down and if Nilsson is actually a good goaltender, he will have had a good month in the AHL and then bring Nilsson up.
    5. At this point you have to trade Scrivens because Broissant needs the reps.

  86. Woodguy says:

    Магия 10: Well and fine but until one proves as starter and another as backup he’ll want 3 chances to have at least Mendoza in net. If Nilsson is exempt its too early to lose scrivens and repeat last year.

    With Brossoit and E2D2 on the farm I don’t think you have to worry about having a 3rd NHL goalie

    Scrivens will not be picked up on waivers, he’s too expensive.

  87. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    Woodguy:
    G Money,

    How ludicrous is it that people are anointing Nilsson – he of the career sub-.900 average in 23 NHL games – as the official backup on the basis of 120 minutes of pre-season shutouts against three teams that didn’t ice more than two legitimate NHL snipers between them?

    I’m anointing him for different reasons.

    He’s Chia’s guy
    He’s a very large man
    He’s RFA after this year, whereas Scrivens is UFA
    He’s Chia’s guy
    He’s a guy who was brought in by the GM
    Pete likes him

    Also Peter Chiarelli seems fond of him….

  88. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    Pouzar,

    Mixed reviews coming out of Toronto.Outside chance he hits the waiver wire.

    Marincin?

  89. Cahoon says:

    Pouzar:
    Training camp is a mirage.
    –Martin Marincin

    LOL. This made my day.

  90. magneto says:

    If you waive Nilsson he s going back to Europe, so no worries about him taking away starts from the AHL crew. Honestly if there is no trade from Scrivens, you waive Nilsson and live with it. In the long run it’s not going to hurt the team going forward.

  91. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    frjohnk: Here is what Id do with the goaltending.

    1.Id send down Nilsson, He does not require waivers, so this protects our goalie depth
    2.Small sample size in preseason and Nilsson was not really tested like Oiler goalies will be against NHL rosters.
    3.Lets see if Scrivens rebounds somewhat.Give him, I don’t know, 4 out of 12 games, some kind of sample size.If he shits the bed, send him down.
    4.In the case that Scrivens gets sent down and if Nilsson is actually a good goaltender, he will have had a good month in the AHL and then bring Nilsson up.
    5. At this point you have to trade Scrivens because Broissant needs the reps.

    While I absolutely agree with this – isn’t this kind of like using the first few games of the season to sort out your lineup? We’ve certainly been (rightly) critical of that sort of behaviour last year where management seemed to have what I like to refer to as “CRD” (craniorectal displacement).

    If Nilsson is waiver exempt then indeed he should be sent to Bakersfield. Although didn’t he kind of say that he was “done with” proving himself for the NHL or am I confusing him with someone else? Anyway yes the team needs more NHL experience in net. Scrivens could do the rebound thing and Talbot could do the “flounder as new starter” thing so there are a lot of moving parts.

    Also – funny note here – spell check corrects Scrivens to Scurviness…..

  92. Woodguy says:

    magneto:
    If you waive Nilsson he s going back to Europe, so no worries about him taking away starts from the AHL crew. Honestly if there is no trade from Scrivens, you waive Nilsson and live with it. In the long run it’s not going to hurt the team going forward.

    No, he has a contract he’s not going anywhere if he gets waived.

  93. magneto says:

    Woodguy,

    Man, I was sure I read that for sure so I was reading back and found my (mis-remembered) source, with the correction.
    http://oilersnation.com/2015/7/7/anders-nilsson-s-one-way-contract-raises-plenty-of-questions

    “If Scrivens outplays Nilsson in camp, what happens then? Does the big Swede return to the AHL on his one-way deal, leaving a modest cap hit on the Oilers’ books? Or does he disappear back to Europe via an out-clause? (Update: Nevermind, as Jason Gregor reported yesterday, there is no out-clause on the deal.)”

  94. Woodguy says:

    Walter Gretzkys Neighbour,

    If Nilsson is waiver exempt then indeed he should be sent to Bakersfield.

    I don’t see this happening because that means this conversation has to happen:

    “You know the goalie who was the main cause of our awful year last year? Yeah, we’re going to keep him and send down the goalie we traded for and guaranteed $1MM so he would come over and try to re-establish himself as a NHL goalie”

    Don’t see it.

  95. böök¡je says:

    Woodguy,

    Unless it’s short term.

  96. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy:
    Walter Gretzkys Neighbour,

    If Nilsson is waiver exempt then indeed he should be sent to Bakersfield.

    I don’t see this happening because that means this conversation has to happen:

    “You know the goalie who was the main cause of our awful year last year?Yeah, we’re going to keep him and send down the goalie we traded for and guaranteed $1MM so he would come over and try to re-establish himself as a NHL goalie”

    Don’t see it.

    Well in the 13/14 season Scrivens played just fine in the NHL and Nilsson posted a .896%.

    Scrivens has had success in the NHL previously, Nilsson has not.

    That leads me to believe that Nilsson is insurance rather than the primary option. We’ll find out soon.

  97. böök¡je says:

    Though I expect Scruvens to be sent down expecting that Chia hopes he doesn’t make it past waivers

  98. G Money says:

    Woodguy:
    G Money,

    How ludicrous is it that people are anointing Nilsson – he of the career sub-.900 average in 23 NHL games – as the official backup on the basis of 120 minutes of pre-season shutouts against three teams that didn’t ice more than two legitimate NHL snipers between them?

    I’m anointing him for different reasons.

    He’s Chia’s guy
    He’s a very large man
    He’s RFA after this year, whereas Scrivens is UFA
    He’s Chia’s guy
    He’s a guy who was brought in by the GM
    Pete likes him

    All of those things are true.

    But if that is truly Chia’s assessment process, then he’s not nearly as smart a man as I think he is.

    Overlooking 23 NHL games at sub .900 – which until he actually does better against actual NHL competition, IS Nilsson’s established level – because of a handful of meaningless games against sub-NHL competition is the height of folly.

    Worse still, the normal pre-season teams are bad enough, but the five the Oilers have faced so far have been so crippled it is embarrassing.

  99. godot10 says:

    Nobody is going to claim Scrivens on waivers. He has a $2.3 million cap hit.

    The Oilers have a 1a, 1b, 1c goaltender situation, with little risk of losing Scrivens if he goes on waivers. All of them are really small sample size goaltenders with no extensive track record of superior performance.

    The correct decision is to go with the goaltenders who are playing best right now.

    Eakins went with the goaltender who couldn’t stop a beach ball in training camp last year, over the guy who was playing reasonably well in a 1a, 1b situation. How did that turn out?

    Where no one has a long established track record, you go with the hot hand. Talbot and Nilsson have been the best so far, with two games left. Those are the guys you start with.

  100. G Money says:

    godot10: Eakins went with the goaltender who couldn’t stop a beach ball in training camp last year, over the guy who was playing reasonably well in a 1a, 1b situation. How did that turn out?
    Where no one has a long established track record, you go with the hot hand. Talbot and Nilsson have been the best so far, with two games left. Those are the guys you start with.

    Actually, if that’s your thought process – that preseason is so meaningful it allows you to make positive performance decisions rather than negative ones – then your starting goaltending tandem is Nilsson and Scrivens. Talbot is in third.

  101. hags9k says:

    Not only would I keep Nilsson, at this point he would be playing in St. Louis.

  102. godot10 says:

    G Money: Actually, if that’s your thought process – that preseason is so meaningful it allows you to make positive performance decisions rather than negative ones – then your starting goaltending tandem is Nilsson and Scrivens.Talbot is in third.

    Talbot’s save percentage in pre-season is better than Scrivens.

    And that is not what I said. None of the goaltenders is a real proven quantity. Lundqvist can have a bad camp. I’m still going with him.

    But none of the Oilers’ goaltenders is proven. It is 1a,1b, 1c. You start with the two who are playing the best right now, and that is Talbot and Nilsson (with 2 games to go). There is minimal chance of losing Scrivens on waivers unless a #1 goes down with a season ending injury somewhere.

    It is NOT a final decision. It is a decision for the first ten to twenty games. Scrivens gets his shot if the ones who were playing best fails to deliver.

  103. RMGS says:

    G Money: Actually, if that’s your thought process – that preseason is so meaningful it allows you to make positive performance decisions rather than negative ones – then your starting goaltending tandem is Nilsson and Scrivens.Talbot is in third.

    Precisely, which is why using pre-season performance as the determining factor for bubble players, including goaltenders, is wrong. It has its limitations, but I like Willis’ use of Bayesian logic to suss things out in pre-season:

    How likely was it that Nilsson was an NHL player entering camp?
    How common is it for NHL players to have a camp like Nilsson’s?
    How common is it for non-NHL players to have a camp like Nilsson’s?

    I’d also add that there’s no reason why one can’t see Nilsson as an important prospect as well alongside Brossoit and to a lesser extent Laurikainen. He’s only 25 and RFA, so there’s time to see where he stands in the goalie pecking order. Add to this Nilsson’s non-waiver status and most other things being equal, and you have to go with Scrivens at the start of the year.

  104. G Money says:

    godot10,

    No, you are wrong on both counts.

    Scrivens’ sv% is better than Talbot’s.

    By your logic, our starting goalie right now is Nilsson. Our backup is Scrivens.

    See how foolish overweighting preseason performance is?

    RMGS,

    Yes, there’s some legitimacy to that thought process.

    Given that all three goaltenders have been solid through the tiny sample size and sub-sub-NHL competition of pre-season, none of them have played themselves off the team. So I don’t envy the decision process. IMO, you can’t send Nilsson down until you’ve seen him under live fire.

  105. Woodguy says:

    Bank Shot: Well in the 13/14 season Scrivens played just fine in the NHL and Nilsson posted a .896%.

    Scrivens has had success in the NHL previously, Nilsson has not.

    That leads me to believe that Nilsson is insurance rather than the primary option. We’ll find out soon.

    14/15 Scrivens posted a .890
    14/15 Nilsson posted a .936 in the KHL

    I’ve looked at Scrivens closely. Except for a hot 19 games he’s a below average NHL back up and not worth worrying over as that talent level is freely available.

  106. Woodguy says:

    G Money: All of those things are true.

    But if that is truly Chia’s assessment process,then he’s not nearly as smart a man as I think he is.

    Overlooking 23 NHL games at sub .900 – which until he actually does better against actual NHL competition, IS Nilsson’s established level – because of a handful of meaningless games against sub-NHL competition is the height of folly.

    Worse still, the normal pre-season teams are bad enough, but the five the Oilers have faced so far have been so crippled it is embarrassing.

    The bottom line is that Chia looked at Scivens and then traded for Nilsson.

    That was the thought process.

    “Not good enough, let’s get better”

    As for Nilsson’s established level, ignoring his KHL numbers doesn’t make sense.

    I don’t know how they transfer to the NHL, but its not like he didn’t play goalie very well last year in the 2nd best professional league on the planet.

  107. G Money says:

    Woodguy,

    And Nilsson has played 23 NHL games and posted a .893 in them.

    His KHL numbers are meaningless – that team has historically had a ridiculously high sv%, and this last season he got outplayed by his backup. There’s a strong and established team effect there.

    Scrivens has played 120+ NHL games and is .916.

    You are engaging in data selecivity of the highest order.

    That Scrivens wasn’t good enough last year is obvious, and bringing in a cheap competitor like Nilsson was smart.

    But if Chia’s thought process now is selecting Nilsson as your backup based on two (equiv) preseason games against barely-better-than-Jr level competition, it is ridiculously amateurish, and a perfect match for the MacT process.

  108. mit167 says:

    Just for clarity… Slepy shouldn’t make the team out of pre-season because he’s only been playing against disinterested NHLers and some AHLers as his 4-5 games is a small sample size and should instead be sent down until he proves himself against the same AHLers for at least 4-5 games.

  109. mit167 says:

    Also I’m driving in to Edmonton and have been informed that my wife would rather hang with her friends than watch a pre-season game. (Blasphemy) anywho I have a spare ticket for tonight’s game… Cost… One Rexall Beer and some Vancouver bashing.

  110. godot10 says:

    G Money:
    godot10,

    No, you are wrong on both counts.

    Scrivens’ sv% is better than Talbot’s.

    By your logic, our starting goalie right now is Nilsson.Our backup is Scrivens.

    See how foolish overweighting preseason performance is?

    According to oilers.nhl.com, Scrivens save percentage is worse than Talbot’s.

    I’m not overweight preseason performance. None of the goaltenders has an established proven record of performance. They are all small sample size goaltenders.

    In that case, you should choose the guys playing best right now, since there is little risk of losing Scrivens on waivers.

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  112. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy,

    And Nilsson has played 23 NHL games and posted a .893 in them.

    His KHL numbers are meaningless – that team has historically had a ridiculously high sv%, and this last season he got outplayed by his backup.There’s a strong and established team effect there.

    Scrivens has played 120+ NHL games and is .916.

    You are engaging in data selecivity of the highest order.

    That Scrivens wasn’t good enough last year is obvious, and bringing in a cheap competitor like Nilsson was smart.

    But if Chia’s thought process now is selecting Nilsson as your backup based on two (equiv) preseason games against barely-better-than-Jr level competition, it is ridiculously amateurish, and a perfect match for the MacT process.

    No.

    He’s going to pick the 25 year old who’s a *maybe* to improve rather than the 29 year old who’s NHL history suggests he’s a lock to be below average.

  113. Ryan says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy</strong

    You are engaging in data selecivity of the highest order.

    You are condemning Nilsson based on a 23 game sample size… Do you think that’s an adequate sample size?

    You are betting on a rebound year for a 29-year-old Scrivens who posted an unprecedented sub 900 EV SV over 57 games.

    Have you looked at NHL goalie aging curves?

    http://hockey-graphs.com/2014/03/21/how-well-do-goalies-age-a-look-at-a-goalie-aging-curve/

    You are engaging in data selectivity of the highest order!

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