CHANGES IN ATTITUDES, CHANGES IN LATITUDES

The Edmonton Oilers probably hurt themselves short term with yesterday’s demotion of Leon Draisaitl. He could absolutely help that 3line offensively but the Oilers want him to succeed and be a complete player. In the meantime, there are more than enough rookies on the club and staggering entry to the NHL makes sense.

Peter Chiarelli:What we told him was – and I don’t know how much he heard, but we have to look at the big picture – ‘You had a good camp, you outplayed some people, no question there, play ramps up, things change, dynamics of the games change as games progress into the regular season. When we call you up, we want you to stay here for good. You have to work on the 200-foot game. Offensively you can play in the NHL right now, you have to work on the 200 foot game, the little stuff on the defensive side of the puck.’ Whether it’s at wing or centre – he’ll play predominantly centre down there – he now has another asset to his game because he can play both sides on the wing. We tried to send him down with a good message, he was upset but I think at the end of the day he’ll realize it was the right move.” Source

Well. That’s a tough lesson for young Leon, but when he’s 25 and playing in important games for this franchise, it may well make a difference. I would have kept him, gotta say. We can pretend that Lauri Korpikoski will provide the same level of creativity on the Lander line, or we can pretend that Rob Klinkhammer is a more important player, but we’d be lying.

Edmonton sent down a 19-year old player (imo) because he was the least responsible of the three young skill forwards (McDavid, Slepyshev) and because he is one of the players carrying significant bonus possibilities. I had him playing 41 games in the 2015-16 RE, still seems about right.

The Oilers want Leon to succeed as a complete player and they want that badly enough to rob the current team of a substantial element and turn the third line into something vanilla. I’m thrilled at their attention to the long term, and baffled by their short sightedness. And yes, it’s possible to be thrilled and baffled at the same time.

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The Edmonton Oilers have a 2013 draft pick on their roster but not the one they selected No. 7 overall. No. 88 selection Anton Slepyshev made the grade and joins an impressive group of talented players. The club also has exactly 23 players—a full roster—from their past drafting.

  • 2015: Connor McDavid
  • 2014:
  • 2013: Anton Slepyshev
  • 2012: Nail Yakupov
  • 2011: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Oscar Klefbom, Tobias Rieder (ARI)
  • 2010: Taylor Hall, Martin Marincin (TOR), Brandon Davidson
  • 2009: Anton Lander
  • 2008: Jordan Eberle
  • 2007: Sam Gagner (PHI), Riley Nash (CAR)
  • 2006: Jeff Petry (MTL)
  • 2005: Andrew Cogliano (ANA), Chris VandeVelde (PHI)
  • 2004: Devan Dubnyk (MIN)
  • 2003: Kyle Brodziak (STL)
  • 2002: Jarret Stoll (NYR), Matt Greene (LAK)
  • 2001: Ales Hemsky (DAL)
  • 2000:
  • 1999:
  • 1998: Shawn Horcoff (ANA)
  • 1997: Jason Chimera (WAS)

OILERS ROOKIE SCORING RECORDS (F)

  1. Jari Kurri (80-81) 75gp, 32-43-75
  2. Jason Arnott (93-94) 78gp, 33-35-68
  3. Dave Lumley (79-80) 80gp, 20-38-58
  4. Glenn Anderson (80-81) 58gp, 30-23-53
  5. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (11-12) 62gp, 18-34-52
  6. Sam Gagner (07-08) 79gp, 13-36-49
  7. Andrew Cogliano (07-08) 82gp, 18-27-45
  8. Jordan Eberle (10-11) 69gp, 18-25-43
  9. Taylor Hall (10-11) 65gp, 22-20-42
  10. Raimo Summanen (85-86) 73gp, 19-18-37
  11. Miro Satan (95-96) 62gp, 18-17-35
  12. Magnus Pääjärvi (10-11) 80gp, 15-19-34
  13. Jaroslav Pouzar (82-83) 74gp, 15-18-33
  14. Mike Grier (96-97) 79gp, 15-17-32
  15. Nail Yakupov (12-13) 48gp, 17-14-31
  16. Kyle Brodziak (07-08) 80gp, 14-17-31
  17. Rem Murray (96-97) 82gp, 11-20-31
  18. David Oliver (94-95) 44gp, 16-14-30
  19. Ales Hemsky (02-03) 59gp, 6-24-30
  20. Jozef Beranek (91-92) 58gp, 12-16-28
  21. Todd Marchant (94-95) 45gp, 13-14-27
  22. Dean McAmmond (93-94) 45gp, 6-21-27
  23. Linus Omark (10-11) 51gp, 5-22-27
  24. Martin Gelinas (89-90) 46gp, 17-8-25
  25. Mats Lindgren (96-97) 69gp, 11-14-25

Connor McDavid and Anton Slepyshev, you’re up! Jari Kurri’s number has never really been threatened, of course it was a different era and he had Gretzky at center (a small advantage, but I thought it should be mentioned) as a rookie.

Looking at that list, I’m struck by just how many players were solid rookies and then sent away over the years. From Martin Gelinas to Miro Satan to Andrew Cogliano and back to Kyle Brodziak, the Oilers have been bleeding young players AFTER successful rookie seasons since about 1990. Are all teams like this?

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OILERS ROOKIE SCORING RECORDS (D)

  1. Tom Gilbert (07-08) 82gp, 13-20-33
  2. Paul Coffey (80-81) 74gp, 9-23-32
  3. Randy Gregg (82-83) 80gp, 6-22-28
  4. Justin Schultz (12-13) 48gp, 8-19-27
  5. Marc-Andre Bergeron (03-04) 54gp, 9-17-26
  6. Steve Smith (85-86) 55gp, 4-20-24
  7. Dan McGillis (96-97) 73gp, 6-16-22
  8. Kevin Lowe (79-80) 64gp, 2-19-21
  9. Tom Poti (98-99) 73gp, 5-16-21
  10. Oscar Klefbom (14-15) 60gp, 2-18-20

Griffin Reinhart and Brandon Davidson, go! The 1980s blue is here (save Charlie Huddy, who had a time-released debut over two seasons), I loved watching them as rookies because you could see the potential. Among modern blue, Oscar Klefbom looked like the most complete player in years to debut and I suspect he’ll cover that over the next 10 seasons. This could also be the rookie season for Darnell Nurse, so I’ll mention him here.

IS THE ROSTER SET?

Not sure. As I mentioned yesterday afternoon, there are some interesting names on the waiver wire this morning:

  • D Frank Corrado, Vancouver. Surprised he’s available, this is a pretty nice hockey player. He’s 22, has 28 NHL games to his credit and a range of skills. Effective at moving the puck, good defender. Undersized for the NHL game, I would be pleased if Edmonton grabbed him. RH D.
  • R Linden Vey, Vancouver. It’s easy to overlook this player but Vey is 24, scored 10-14-24 in the NHL last season. His possession numbers aren’t grand and Vey won’t be a match for every team, but NJD or similar probably should take a look.
  • G J-F Berube, LAK. He’s .913SP in the AHL the last two seasons, 24-years old and probably as good as a bunch of NHL backups.
  • L Jonathan Marchessaul, Tampa Bay. He’s a small (5.09) skill winger who is at a point-per-game in the AHL, age 24.

For the Oilers, only Corrado holds a great deal of interest but he’s worth looking at for sure. I saw him good (lots of people saw him good) and his skill set is a really nice match for the modern game. We’ll see, it would require someone going on IR to make room but this is a good player who addresses an area of need (RH D who can move the puck) so one hopes Edmonton has at least thought about it overnight. I’d replace Gryba with him today and consider it a substantial upgrade—he might be a very nice fit for Griffin Reinhart.

WHO SO OPTIMISTIC?

Hunter 1909 is doing his fine work in collecting projections from the group, I appear to be among the more optimistic in the group (no surprise, I’m a overly positive fellow). There are many reasons I believe Edmonton will be substantially better this season, including Todd McLellan, Connor McDavid, Andrej Sekera and the Hall cluster entering their prime. The biggest reason—for me—is goaltending. Let’s assume that Cam Talbot delivers only average goaltending for the Oilers this season and let’s also assume he sees exactly as many shots as Ben Scrivens did a year ago. The difference would be amazing:

  • Ben Scrivens: 1542 shots, 1372 saves, 170GA, .890SP
  • Cam Talbot: 1542 shots, 1411 saves, 131GA, .915SP

That’s a saving of 39 goals. The GAA would go from 3.16 (Scrivens) to 2.43 (Talbot) if the new goalie can stop more pucks (and he can). We haven’t even talked about shot suppression and the penalty kill, etc. and you laugh but simply beginning the season with a roster designed to win hockey games sets a different tone.

If you’re looking for areas of improvement, or trying to make yourself feel better about the impact of a Leon demotion for that 3line, spend some time looking at last year’s even strength and penalty-killing goaling. It. was. not. good.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show today, 10 this morning on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, Cult of Hockey and Oilers Nation. Jon and I both agreed the smart play was sending Anton Slepyshev to Bakersfield. What happened? Is this another ‘Keeping Lander’?
  • Scott Zerr, TSN1260 and Oilers Nation. By eye, this Bakersfield Condors team is the best minor league outfit Edmonton will ice in many years. We’ll talk about the exhibition games on the weekend and all that talent in California.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. Rosters are cut down and there are a lot of rookies on NHL teams this year. Calder candidates include McDavid, Eichel, Bennett. Should we be talking Ehlers? Fabbri? Larkin?
  • Guy Flaming, TSN1260. Oil Kings seem to be playing in thrillers every night, we’ll touch base on a fascinating early season. Also, the NCAA season is ramping up, we’ll discuss some of the bigger stories as the campaign begins.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk in 90 minutes!

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195 Responses to "CHANGES IN ATTITUDES, CHANGES IN LATITUDES"

  1. oliveoilers says:

    Eichel a lock with eastern media for Calder.

  2. Visually better says:

    Chiarelli watching practice intently, MacT making sure he’s cementing his friendship with Katz. Too funny

  3. Visually better says:

    what a great picture

  4. slopitch says:

    Hunter put me down for 92.

    Anton Lander took 3 years to arrive in the NHL. Leon Draisatl is a much better prospect but Im more then fine making him learn the finer points of the game not on the big club. Sure the team is worse but the impact of a rookie isnt significant.

    Excited to see what this team looks like by the end of the season with Nurse, Drai, trade for D.

    The other interesting quote from Chai yesterday was this… “You might see a trade or two between now and the roster deadline, which is tomorrow, but everyone’s in a ‘let’s see how things go now’ [mindset]. Usually trade talk starts after 10-15 games.”

    He’s aggressive. If you gave me an over/under on games till then next trade, Id bet the under on 20.

  5. jimmers2 says:

    oliveoilers,

    I saw that too. McDavid will have to win the rookie scoring race cleanly to win the Calder, I think. I’d have to think that McDavid is actually in the better position to put up points, given the supporting forward depth around him.

  6. bendelson says:

    “I know It’s hard to understand son, but it’s true. I really am Batman”.
    “Whatever, Dad”.

  7. Marc says:

    oliveoilers:
    Eichel a lock with eastern media for Calder.

    Case and point: http://www.tsn.ca/30-bold-team-predictions-for-the-nhl-season-1.371841

    Frank Seravalli predicts that Eichel will win the Calder because he’s going to be on a line with Matt Moulson. Whereas poor old McDavid will be lumbered with some bum named Taylor Hall.

  8. Cahoon says:

    slopitch,

    I would take the under on 10 games til a trade.

  9. slopitch says:

    Katz kid is like 5 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier than his old man. It’s like that in my family too – my siblings and I are all 3-4 inches taller than our parents. It’s like we are evolving or something…

  10. Pouzar says:

    slopitch: The other interesting quote from Chai yesterday was this… “You might see a trade or two between now and the roster deadline, which is tomorrow, but everyone’s in a ‘let’s see how things go now’ [mindset]. Usually trade talk starts after 10-15 games.”

    I heard that as well but was he referencing the Oilers or the rest of the league in general?

  11. slopitch says:

    Cahoon:
    slopitch,

    I would take the under on 10 games til a trade.

    I might as well. I found the “you might see a trade in the next few days” to be interesting. We’ll see…

  12. dustrock says:

    Pretty sure they like Slepyshev a lot but this is an Eberle injury replacement only. Unless he blows everyone out of the water, and is better than Korpse, Yakupov, etc., I’m sure they’re thinking now he’ll get 3 weeks in the bigs and then go back more willingly to the Condors with a few things to work on.

    Regarding Draisaitl, they simply might think it makes more sense to play him as 1C on Bakersfield than 3LW or 3RW minutes in the NHL.

    They might like Slepyshev’s right-handed shot, who knows?

    It’s not a bad move to give Draisaitl more development time, it looks like he can dominate his peers, but not necessarily NHL competition. On the other hand, he was an offensive contributor, and by eye at least, I thought he actually was pretty decent in terms of his defensive zone awareness.

    I’m no professional though.

  13. verdad2.0 says:

    Lowetide you diplomatically re-iterated the same point I have been making since the Draisatl demotion – senseless and inexplicable.
    This regime has no more interest in winning games this season than the prior one did. Draisatl is a talent. He did show he could play with MacDavid, something Hall has yet to do. Other younger players have made thier teams with less talent or potential.
    This is just player abuse. It is more fan abuse.
    This team has no time to think about the long term. Ten years of failure means that only the present matters. Putting Draisatl in the minors was simply a power trip by Chiarelli, a sop to the coach so he could play more stiffs instead of moving forward with Draisatl.
    But the real test is the first four games. They will be played on MacLelland’s terms as Nurse and Draisatl wallow in the minors
    And if they go 0 for 4 , which I fullly expect, will Chiarelli actually start to pursue the fundamental transactions that he should have done in the summer? One can only hope.

  14. Johnny Larue says:

    I think Leon”s play Saturday sealed his fate he was on his butt a lot that game and it is not that the Canucks are considered a physical team. With St Louis the first team up I think they wanted more grit ie Kinkhammer and also that some time in the minors will be benifical. Him and Nurse won’t be down for long I would guess.

  15. Woogie63 says:

    MacT was next to McDavid in the draft stage picture as well.

  16. godot10 says:

    Slepyshev was keeping up as the games got tougher. Draisaitl, much less so. The Oilers cannot afford the lulls in a rookie’s game. McDavid and Slepyshev will be uneven enough. Draisaitl should also be developed as a centre first. The right decision was made.

    Like with Nurse, shuttling between #1 in the AHL and top 4 in the NHL, Draisaitl shuttling between #1 in the AHL and top 6 in the NHL is a better development strategy for raw rookies. Ice time in all situations is critical at this point in their careers.

    Yakupov will benefit more from having Lander and Korpikoski, rather than Lander and Draisaitl. More reliable linemates defensively, and more PP time.

    Draisaitl and Nurse probably 40 games away.

  17. corykg says:

    Reider for Kessy …FML

  18. alice13 says:

    Slepy situation differs from Lander

    The reason keeping Lander up was a mistake is he needed more at-bats to develop than he could get on the 3rd or 4th line. It was not that his rookie mistakes would come at the NHL level, it was that they would come too slowly at 7min ES per night. Eventually he got his at-bats playing in a more prominent role in the A, and now he’s up. It was poor asset mgmt, but not long-term detrimental to the player.

    You can keep Slepy – or a Nurse for that matter – in the bigs as long as they can get the TOI and situations (PP/PK) they need to develop as players. If the fear is actually that Nurse will give up more than he makes, as compared with who would replace him in the top-4, then he really Isn’t part of your top-4 by math and you send him down so he can log big minutes toward his development. The only mistake would be to keep him up to play 3rd pairing and not get enough TOI (ie. Lander him).

    Mr Slepy will be likely getting top-6 minutes, and already is further along in his pro career besides.

  19. Really? says:

    I can’t help wondering if the writing is now on the wall for Yakupov with the emergence of Slepyshev.

    We talk here that Chiarelli is likely to make a trade within the next couple of weeks. Would Yakupov ++ yield the first pairing D man we so greatly covet?

    What would likely targets be and are they attainable?

  20. wheatnoil says:

    There were two problems with the Lander scenario of 2011.

    1) Keeping Lander up after a good training camp, despite the fact that he wasn’t ready.
    This is easy to know in hindsight but hard to know at the time. Lander had success playing in a pro league against main, came to camp and showed some improvement (especially in footspeed) and outplayed Brule for that final spot. In this way, Slepyshev is not that different.

    However, Slepyshev has won a spot much higher up in the order. Arguably, if he was going to play lower in the order, he would’ve been sent down. So, he’s going to get almost as much TOI on McDavid’s wing as he would in the AHL.

    2) Keeping Lander up for over half the season, despite the fact that it was clear he was struggling
    Lander’s possession numbers were poor, he was playing with plugs, wasn’t scoring, and not getting much TOI. He wasn’t really helping the cause in the NHL. He could’ve been sent down after 10 games, even 20 games. Renney kept him on the roster for 56 games! Then they finally sent him down. That’s a lot of TOI and success missed out on.

    By my view, Slepyshev meets part of (but not all) the criteria for mistake “1”. We’ll see about mistake “2”.

  21. RMGS says:

    “Looking at that list, I’m struck by just how many players were solid rookies and then sent away over the years. From Martin Gelinas to Miro Satan to Andrew Cogliano and back to Kyle Brodziak, the Oilers have been bleeding young players AFTER successful rookie seasons since about 1990. Are all teams like this?”

    I think valid assumptions about “Oilers culture” given the incestuous management of the team may need to go out the window. Aside from the team winning the Stanley Cup, my biggest hope is that Nicholson, Chiarelli, and co. will begin to establish a new sort of Oilering that will thrill and baffle in entirely refreshing ways.

  22. jm363561 says:

    Caption – Son, ya gotta believe me. Verdad 2.0 wants me to fire the guy on your right ‘cos the guy on my left signed some Russian and burned $9m of your inheritance.

  23. hunter1909 says:

    Hunter1909’s Official(tm) 2015-16 Oilers’s Season Death or Glory Contest: Prizes for the winner(s).
    Predict the 2015-16 final points total for the Oilers. Contest open until the puck drops Thursday.

  24. Visually better says:

    Really?,

    I had just said this a couple days ago. It really shows how the feel about Yakupov, not even giving him a shot to play in the top 6 in PRE-season. Not to mention our 1RW gets injured and they still slot Yak on the third line tells a lot. Im not saying a trade is imminent, or that a trade is beneficial, but like you said I think if a top flight D-man magically comes available, there’s no doubt in my mind Yak is the piece to move out. I think Yak still has the potential to be a very good scoring NHL’er, but he’s obviously not getting the opportunity to show it as of right now. They also could be trying to get Yak to earn it, but he’s not going to be able show that I don’t think playing with Korpse and Lander.

    Time will tell

  25. zatch says:

    Visually better,

    Cause I’m bored, what does Yak and a 1st get you, and are there any partners that make sense?

  26. jimmers2 says:

    Visually better,

    FWIW, Yakupov did in fact play with McDavid (and Draisaitl) in at least one preseason game…

  27. Sugar Reijo says:

    Just want to get in before the deadline passes that a Corrado pickup would make me really happy this morning.

  28. dessert1111 says:

    Hunter, put me down for 107 points if not already taken please.

  29. Woogie63 says:

    I would look at Yak different than some of the posts above.

    They are building an impact line around a 1OV pick as most teams would do. The uniqueness of Edmonton is the number of 1OV players allows us a bigger impact “down” to the third line.

  30. squeezboks says:

    hunter1909,

    Season Predictions

    – Team Record: 97 pts
    – Nuge has breakout season (80+ pts)
    – Nurse with the Gordie Howe sometime in the spring

  31. Really? says:

    Visually better,

    I agree, the feeling toward Yakupov by management is becoming clearer. My long standing concern regarding Yakupov is that I feel he is highly overrated by many Oiler fans. I just don’t see him being a dominant player or an elite scorer at the NHL level. (One potential caveat being if he is able to establish real chemistry with an elite playmaker).

    I do wonder what assets might have to be offered up to get the quality RHD we are in need of.

  32. Visually better says:

    zatch,

    I wish I could answer that, but my guess is as good as yours. Like i said, I’m not even sure if there is anything close to a deal that could happen.

    However, in order to guess you have to really look at teams who are obviously lacking some high-end skill up front, with a solid back end that they would be willing to give someone away. In my mind there is about a 0% chance a top 1 or even 2 would be traded by ANY team. Look at how desperately we need one, a team isn’t going to give up a Pietreangelo or a Shattenkirk for Nail Yakupov and a first, I just don’t see it. I think the only way it would happen would be more or less a gamble on a younger D-man like Kulikov, Ellis, Severson etc… All who have been mentioned on this site. It has also been noted in the comments that giving up a first right now would be foolish given our current state and our luck in the lottery. So as much as i don’t think anything WILL actually happen, its always fun to speculate.

    Some teams that I think would be suitors simply based on the need for a skilled winger:

    New Jersey, Florida, NY Rangers, Nashville?, Columbus, Carolina. To me those are the only teams I can see that would be interested in Yak, in terms of what they would offer back and what the whole deal would look like I don’t know.

  33. Woodguy says:

    slopitch: I might as well. I found the “you might see a trade in the next few days” to be interesting. We’ll see…

    I took that to mean “in the NHL”, not “Oilers will make a trade”

  34. Visually better says:

    Really?,

    That is exactly the conversation I had with a friend of mine. I believe that in order for him to really succeed, he needs to find solid chemistry with ANYONE on the team. Whether its McDavid or Lander or whoever, that is essential. Since his tenure in Edmonton, Roy is the only one he has found any chemistry with. And obviously he’s no longer an Oiler. If Yak is going to remain part of the long term plans, he has to mesh with the team.

    Woogie63:
    I would look at Yak different than some of the posts above.

    They are building an impact line around a 1OV pick as most teams would do.The uniqueness of Edmonton is the number of 1OV players allows us a bigger impact “down” to the third line.

    I love the idea of Yak on the third line as you mentioned, I think its his perfect fit, however. I don’t think its the perfect fit playing with Korpse and Lander. I know there’s injuries and Drai is sent down, but if they aren’t going to give him a solid shot to play with the skilled guys, he’s not going to make a big difference IMO.

  35. D says:

    Won’t ever forgive Tom Gilbert for breaking Paul Coffey’s record.

  36. Woodguy says:

    I’m thrilled at their attention to the long term, and baffled by their short sightedness.

    With their mis-givings about his play away from the puck they probably characterize this move as near sighted as well as far sighted.

    Its pretty clear that they didn’t think he had the defensive chops to help Lander stifle the bleeding that occurs during a Yak shift, but rather he’d add to the bleeding.

    That’s fine,

    Jon and others have noticed this year what I watched closely last year; that being Yak is a disaster at exiting the dzone with possession and it makes his line play a lot of defense.

    Its what you create minus what you give up, we all know that.

    Giving him a C’s defensive responsibility in the AHL will help a lot.

    McLellan referred to it the other day as “the extra 2 or 3 strides” the a C has make every back check. He was actually talking about DrySaddle’s back checking at the time too.

    Get him accustom to making those strides every shift and playing wing in the NHL will be easier for him as his default setting and back checking and zone exits will be more NHL like…imo.

    No one wanted a Unicorn line more than I did, and I view his demotion as necessary and wise.

  37. wheatnoil says:

    Corrado claimed by the Leafs… so the Oilers passed on him.

    I think Chiarelli wasn’t willing to waive Gryba (his guy) in order to add Corrado.

  38. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    wheatnoil:
    Corrado claimed by the Leafs… so the Oilers passed on him.

    I think Chiarelli wasn’t willing to waive Gryba (his guy) in order to add Corrado.

    I wonder if that will bump Marincin down a level

  39. jake70 says:

    Really?:
    Visually better,

    I do wonder what assets might have to be offered up to get the quality RHD we are in need of.

    Hall? 😉

  40. wheatnoil says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: I wonder if that will bump Marincin down a level

    Possible. The Leafs are carrying 9 D-men right now (including Robidas) so I’m not sure what their plan is. Apparently they’re collecting D-men like they were collecting PTOs.

  41. hunter1909 says:

    Visually better:
    Chiarelli watching practice intently, MacT making sure he’s cementing his friendship with Katz. Too funny

    In another context(actually nothing of the sort) it’s called ass licking.

  42. Woodguy says:

    Here’s a quote from McLellan after being asked why Yak wasn’t moved up the depth chart when Eberle went down:

    “In my opinion, Yak’s strength is with the puck and on the offensive side,” said McLellan. “He’s working on his defensive game. And sometimes who you match up against is important.”

    Source: http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2015/10/01/why-yakupov-is-still-on-the-third-line-despite-eberle-injury/

    You really don’t want a line that has both wingers “working on their defensive game” at the same time.

    Its the NHL, one is tough enough.

  43. PhrankLee says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: I wonder if that will bump Marincin down a level

    Uh…(looks over glasses on nose-tip..) If you have to ask the question…

  44. Frank the dog says:

    For those of you predicting points, here is some context:
    http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/EDM/

    I’m predicting 74 points because that would be a significant improvement on every year since our last experienced head coach, likely high 80’s next year and the mid 90’s the year after as our rookies ripen.

    Last year I predicted the low 80’s and we got 62. Guilty of drinking dementor koolaid at the time.

  45. hunter1909 says:

    Woogie63:
    MacT was next to McDavid in the draft stage picture as well.

    Joseph Stalin had a shorter, siller version of himself who was often photographed standing next to him during those May Day military parades.

  46. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy:
    Here’s a quote from McLellan after being asked why Yak was moved up the depth chart when Eberle went down:

    “In my opinion, Yak’s strength is with the puck and on the offensive side,” said McLellan. “He’s working on his defensive game. And sometimes who you match up against is important.”

    Source: http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2015/10/01/why-yakupov-is-still-on-the-third-line-despite-eberle-injury/

    You really don’t want a line that has both wingers “working on their defensive game” at the same time.

    Its the NHL, one is tough enough.

    I’m probably as big a Yakupov fan as anyone, but automatically promoting him isn’t wise.

    Yaks looks really good to me compared to other seasons so far, but that doesn’t mean he’s broken through as a dominating player/scorer. Not yet.

    Even though I personally expect Yakupov to score 40+ goals this season, and shut everyone up for once and for all, there’s no guarantee it’s going to happen. The only person who knows Yakupov is Yakupov.

    Nice to see management using their brains. Oiler fans are reeling in shock at the difference between these moves, and the Lowe+MacT regime of breathless incompetence.

  47. Loyal2theoil says:

    hunter1909,

    Mark me down for , let’s say 98 points.

  48. Pouzar says:

    hunter1909: Even though I personally expect Yakupov to score 40+ goals this season

    Yeah. Ok.

  49. "Steve Smith" says:

    Pouzar,

    You just don’t like the fact that Lander’s going to break a hundred points centering him.

  50. 106 and 106 says:

    hunter1909,

    Thanks for doing the oilers season death or glory contest.

    Put my mark on 84 points (>1 ppg) – 3v3 will be a big advantage for the first shot forwards on this team.

  51. böök¡je says:

    “So, you see Son, I hired Chiarelli (that fellow over there) to fix the team all up so that MacT and you can take it over in a couple of years and lead the Oilers to a whole bunch of Stanley Cups in our new building. Its gonna be just like the 80s again”

  52. böök¡je says:

    “I know you are sitting next to him boy, but don’t talk to the help. Chiarelli isn’t one of the gang like MacT and Lowe are. He’s just here to do the technical stuff”

  53. whale says:

    hunter1909,

    Put me down for 87 points. I think we’ll land within a 5 point range of that.

  54. su_dhillon says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909’s Official(tm) 2015-16 Oilers’s Season Death or Glory Contest: Prizes for the winner(s).
    Predict the 2015-16 final points total for the Oilers. Contest open until the puck drops Thursday.

    Hunter, I will take 91 points.
    Thanks

  55. rickithebear says:

    Look at other teams top FWD prospect and give an honest answer who’s Plays on Oilers or is better.
    the top prospect or Slepyshev.
    I did that exercise last night!

    EDM: Mcdavid
    BUF: Eichel
    CGY: Bennett
    ——————–
    Maybe?
    CHI: Panarin
    WPG: Ehlers
    TOR: Marner/Nylander

    ARZ: Domi/Duclair
    ANA: N. Ritchie
    BOS: Heinen
    CAR: Tolchinsky
    COl: Rantanen
    CBJ: Milano
    DAL: Gvrianov/B. Ritchie
    DET: Larkin
    FLD: Crouse
    LAK: Zykov
    MIN: TUCH
    MTL: De LA Rose
    NSH: Fiala
    NJD: Zacha
    NYI: Dal Collie
    NYR: Buschevich
    OTT: Paul
    PIT: Sundqvist
    SJS: Meier
    STL: Fabri
    TMP: Point
    VCR: Virtanen/Mcann
    WSH: Vrana

  56. Ducey says:

    wheatnoil:
    Corrado claimed by the Leafs… so the Oilers passed on him.

    I think Chiarelli wasn’t willing to waive Gryba (his guy) in order to add Corrado.

    Honest Question: What’s the big deal about Corrado? Looks like a younger, smaller version of Corey Potter, doesn’t he?

  57. Showerhead says:

    I don’t think this decision is nearly as perplexing as some people are making it out to be.

    Todd McLellan suggested that, at this point, Slepyshev is further ahead from a “snapshot” point of view – but that Draisaitl may yet pass him in the photo album. It was kind of an awkward quote metaphorically but nails his perception of the two players presently.

    They’re going to keep Slepyshev until Eberle heals (barring other unforeseen circumstances).

    At that point, it will very probably make the most sense to demote Slepyshev and call up Draisaitl. This gives Drai a consistent role and big minutes to play in OKC while giving the temp job to a player who, despite his talents, is probably less important long term.

    And, you know what? The big minutes will be good for him. As highly as I think of Draisaitl (and believe me, I do think highly of him) this decision is going to work out just fine.

  58. rickithebear says:

    hunter1909: Even though I personally expect Yakupov to score 40+ goals this season

    His targeting likely will not allow this.
    His rookie year he was on pace for 29G (top 20)
    Under nelson he was on pace for 25G (top 45)

    I am intrested to see Slepyshev’s (21yr) Goal total.

    the elite russian goal scoing group see 14-20 G playing with 2nd/3rd comp Fwds in there rookie season.

    With elite talent we see 30+ goal paces.

  59. Derek says:

    I’ll take 93 again Hunter!

    I think thats what I took last season…kind’ve blacked it out.

  60. rickithebear says:

    Showerhead: At that point, it will very probably make the most sense to demote Slepyshev

    You cannot Demote your leader in Points and Goals!
    😉

  61. Hello says:

    What some of these oil fans don’t get is that Draisaitl played well against AHL competition in the pre season. AHL lineups, not NHL lineups, but AHL. I was at the game on Saturday in Van and he was not good. Knocked around easily due to lack of positioning and he just can’t stay flat footed all the time!!! He needs to move his feet. This isn’t junior where he can stay flat footed and wait for the puck.

    If I’m a coach the easy answer is go with a veteran rather than an inconsistent raw talent in my eyes. For those who think he should’ve been on this team should actually watch and see what the coaches and management team see.

    Maybe those would like to see Mac T run the show again????

  62. zatch says:

    rickithebear,

    Is….is this a good Ricki joke? Nice!

  63. wheatnoil says:

    Ducey: Honest Question:What’s the big deal about Corrado?Looks like a younger, smaller version of Corey Potter, doesn’t he?

    Well, it’s not a huge deal. He’s probably not going to be an elite d-man or anything.

    However, he is a young (22) right shot defender. His possession numbers have been good, in absolutes, relative to team generally, and using more advanced composite WOWY formulas like RelTM. Admittedly this has been in small sample sizes, but he’s put up good numbers for the last two years in his short stints in the NHL. His dcorsi last year was positive as well.

    So he’s got a bit of upside, especially in the world of shot suppression. He also has good puck-moving skills. So he seems like a young, NHL ready, right shot defender with good possession numbers in limited games. He was likely sewered last year due to a very low PDO (936).

    As far as waiver wire pick-ups go, he would have been an interesting add.

  64. PhrankLee says:

    hunter1909: Hunter1909’s Official(tm) 2015-16 Oilers’s Season Death or Glory Contest: Prizes for the winner(s).
    Predict the 2015-16 final points total for the Oilers. Contest open until the puck drops Thursday.

    Who were the finalists last year, Hunter? I thought I placed well and had to give you my email address at the time but have not heard back.

  65. McSorley33 says:

    How about that 3rd pairing of Griff and Reinhart….or Ference.

    I am reallly hoping that Davidson is the man to be paired with Griff . Can’t imagine playing with Gryba or Ference helping Griff develop.

  66. spoiler says:

    “Son, you sit beside my Chia Pet, he represents the future. Pay attention and leave us old fogies alone so we can talk about the olden days in peace.”

  67. Spoils says:

    PC was on Hockey Central today and was asked point blank – do you think your D is good enough? he basically admitted it wasn’t.

    What I find absolutely mind boggling is that EVERY team that wins a cup or really contends (Tampa) has a stud #1D. We need this player and I would send a lot of stuff away to get it, gladly.

    Eberle, Taylor Hall and our next two first round picks… Seriously what constitutes an overpay. Would Tampa trade Hedman for that? Could we get OEL or Karlsson for that? McDonaugh?

    Keith, Chara, Doughty – those are the guys that win teams cups in today’s league. a guy that plays 50% of the game time and most of the hard shifts and locks it down.

    we are going to be a team like Pittsburgh instead of a team like Chicago.

  68. Henry says:

    corykg:
    Reider for Kessy …FML

    …in a sense was a useful trade. It was the last mistake Tambi made for the Oilers.

  69. B S says:

    It’s fun seeing how close many people’s predictions are to last season, and how optimistic those were. I really hope everyone else is closer this year (especially Hunter). I’m at the low end with 73 points, but I actually expect a huge improvement due to coaching (I didn’t chime in until ~20 games if I recall because I was away), as I think I was predicting 54-56 points from the start of last season. If we hadn’t changed coaches I would have been bang on and I make really pessimistic estimates. Last season sucked.

    I hope I’m off this season, by a lot, and that I’m underestimating how much more together this management group will be. I’m not sure the last time I saw and Oilers team with competent management and that could make the biggest difference when the injuries hit and/or goaltending bottoms out. Injuries to Hall and McDavid (not to mention Nuge) are going to hurt this season.

  70. rickithebear says:

    To quote PC.

    You do not trade for #1D
    You draft and develop them.

  71. B S says:

    rickithebear,
    or sign them as free agents.

  72. PhrankLee says:

    rickithebear: To quote PC.
    You do not trade for #1D
    You draft and develop them.

    I agree with this wholly. It rings true with G as well.

    I think Klefbom is better than we give him credit for. This year he will kick out the jams, I just know it.

    Darnell in the wings, maybe by Xmas… We will look better after the 40 game mark. We are so used to failing that it’s hard to comprehend a smoothly run team with the players best development as a priority.

  73. Visually better says:

    Idk who the hell this OEL guy is but I can’t believe chiarelli hasn’t traded for Ekman-larsson yet, I bet if we wouldve claimed Pajaarvi off waivers we could’ve packaged him with Captain Andrew Ference and a couple draft picks. Such incompetence

  74. Bag of Pucks says:

    Totally onboard with Draisaitl going down.

    Leon is much more valuable to this organization as a big, skilled, two way outscoring C in the near future than he would be as a defensively struggling W in the short-term.

    Imagine you’re on the road against Anaheim. With Leon on the wing, they matchup Kesler against McDavid and Getzlaf against Nuge. Tough sledding boys!

    Now imagine a scenario where Leon has been refined in the minors and can play a Getzlafian or Keslerite type game? Pick your poison Ducks: who do you want to leave for Santorelli or Horcoff? RNH, McD or Drai?

    And that’s on the road.

    At home, with those 3 Cs in the lineup? The Ducks are well and truly dead in the water.

    Build down the middle, LT. It’s the way to win Cups.

    If you want the Unicorn 3rd scoring line, this is the right way to achieve it.

  75. bhooradley says:

    Hunter, 81 points please…

  76. Sugar Reijo says:

    Ducey: Honest Question:What’s the big deal about Corrado?Looks like a younger, smaller version of Corey Potter, doesn’t he?

    Turned a lot of heads with a really good 2013 (I think) playoff series against the Sharks. Hasn’t done a lot since, but many in Vancouver are scratching their heads that they waived him.

  77. GCW_69 says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909’s Official(tm) 2015-16 Oilers’s Season Death or Glory Contest: Prizes for the winner(s).
    Predict the 2015-16 final points total for the Oilers. Contest open until the puck drops Thursday.

    Assume you got my 75 points prediction?

  78. Sugar Reijo says:

    PhrankLee

    We are so used to failing that it’s hard to comprehend a smoothly run team with the players best development as a priority.

    These last months have been an adjustment for sure. I could cry listening to McLellan’s media avails. And I’m not exaggerating.

  79. Hello says:

    rickithebear:
    To quote PC.

    You do not trade for #1D
    You draft and develop them.

    Finally. Someone who gets it.

  80. RexLibris says:

    “Oilers need to stop rushing prospects and take the Detroit approach to letting these guys develop in the minors! Look what happened to Draisaitl last year as a rookie! It cost MacTavish his job!”

    —————–

    “How can the Oilers send Draisaitl down to the AHL? Don’t they realize he was one of the better wingers on the team? How is he supposed to develop playing in the minor leagues? This is such petty, political BS!”

    —————–

    I’ve actually seen both those opinions voiced by the same people in the last 72 hours.

    I can’t wait for the games so we can all piss and moan about something else. Of course, I’m sure some of us will bring our cognitive dissonance A game to that effort as well.

  81. RexLibris says:

    Hello: rickithebear:
    To quote PC.

    You do not trade for #1D
    You draft and develop them.

    Finally. Someone who gets it.

    Really?

    Because I’m pretty sure there have been discussions here that bordered on “drive to Phoenix in the middle of the night and snatch him off the streets before holing up in a safe house and brainwashing him into believe he is an Oiler”.

    Or at least that seems to be the logical equivalent.

  82. khildahl says:

    RexLibris,

    “Stop making the wrong right decision, damn it!”

  83. Bag of Pucks says:

    Hunter, please put me down for 97pts.

    McDavid’s jersey # and the # of points the Flamers got in their ‘Cinderella’ season last year. Eat it Cowtown.

    And if McDavid doesn’t win the Calder, I’m warning everyone now to hide the ammunition cos I will friggin’ go Michael Douglas in Falling Down on the eastern media bias.

  84. RexLibris says:

    McSorley33:
    How about that 3rd pairing of Griff and Reinhart….or Ference.

    I am reallly hoping that Davidson is the man to be paired with Griff . Can’t imagine playing with Gryba or Ference helping Griff develop.

    Davidson looks to me to be a good fit for Reinhart.

    Reinhart is a good shutdown guy but I haven’t like his passing plays as yet. They’ll come, but it isn’t his strength right now.

    Davidson has shown rather well thus far in that category, so the two of them, physical players both and large with decent skating ability, could defend and Reinhart has Davidson as the pressure valve release for the defensive zone if a forward is unavailable.

    There’s a lot of rookie-ness there, but cripes, I’d rather watch them make rookie errors than Ference sewer a young player with bad reads and poor passing. Two rookies learning together is a damned sight better than getting eaten alive playing with a veteran.

  85. JDï™ says:

    RexLibris: “drive to Phoenix in the middle of the night and snatch him off the streets

    Oh Rex – you and your ‘add homonym’ attacks!

  86. khildahl says:

    I guess I’ll get in on this. 91 points.

  87. Showerhead says:

    rickithebear: You cannot Demote your leader in Points and Goals!

    If this is a problem Edmonton gets to have, I will be thrilled. Either that or it will mean that all of the #1 kids are suffering from sideburns/gigantism/Barney-Gumble.

  88. kinger_OIL says:

    – Just thinking of how much better this team would be if they added Sekera, signed Petry:

    Sekera-Petry (vets)
    Klef- Fayne (skater and stay-at-home vet)
    Reinhart/Davidson-Shultz (skater and stay-at home, easy zone starts)

    A L/R balanced D corps, not asking anyone to do what they haven’t done to date

    – I know, not earth shattering, but all the parts were on this team to compete this year for real. Frustrating. If Chia can get a Petry+ there’s a chance, and we’ve been years from being able to say only a few roster spots untill playoff team.

  89. RexLibris says:

    JDï™:
    RexLibris,

    Oh Rex – you and your ‘add homonym’ attacks!

    As much as is seemly between two hockey blog commenters who have never met – I love you.

  90. RexLibris says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Hunter, please put me down for 97pts.

    McDavid’s jersey # and the # of points the Flamers got in their ‘Cinderella’ season last year. Eat it Cowtown.

    And if McDavid doesn’t win the Calder, I’m warning everyone now to hide the ammunition cos I will friggin’ go Michael Douglas in Falling Down on the eastern media bias.

    Gotta do it with the glasses and short-sleeve white shirt.

  91. vinotintazo says:

    kinger_OIL,

    Also softest D-Core in the league.

  92. Jeremy says:

    hunter1909,

    86 points please Hunter

  93. Drew says:

    Hi folks, we have what we have been asking for. For years we wanted the wings model, hawks model, etc. We now have a group that will not drop youngsters in the deep end of the pool without knowing they can swim some.

    Players know they have to commit to the system, they need to be on the right side of the puck. Players are not being broken down (DE and MacT) but are being shown why they need to play a certain way.

    It was the worst of times, I believe we are building to the best of times.

  94. G Money says:

    RexLibris: There’s a lot of rookie-ness there, but cripes, I’d rather watch them make rookie errors than Ference sewer a young player with bad reads and poor passing. Two rookies learning together is a damned sight better than getting eaten alive playing with a veteran.

    Truth.

  95. RexLibris says:

    vinotintazo:
    kinger_OIL,

    Also softest D-Core in the league.

    Has this been empirically tested?

    I mean has the Charmin’ test been applied to their person?

    Asking for a friend, not on account of an old restraining order.

  96. John Chambers says:

    RexLibris: Really?

    Because I’m pretty sure there have been discussions here that bordered on “drive to Phoenix in the middle of the night and snatch him off the streets before holing up in a safe house and brainwashing him into believe he is an Oiler”.

    Or at least that seems to be the logical equivalent.

    Hilarious. Well played, Rex.

    One guy who might have some chance at being dealt is Justin Faulk. It would be a painful price, something like Draisaitl and our 2016 1st, but may be a necessary trade in order to move the needle.

    A D corps of:
    Sekara – Faulk
    Nurse – Klefbom
    Reinhart – Schultz

    … is championship-calibre by 2018.

  97. Czar says:

    PC’s interview on Hockey Central, no mention of trading for OEL.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/chiarelli-no-special-treatment-for-mcdavid/

  98. Czar says:

    RNH on TSN1260 at 1:00

  99. pocession charge says:

    Hunter,

    After a long and thoughtful analysis*, please put me down for 83 points.

    *number pulled from my ass

  100. Ducey says:

    Czar:
    PC’s interview on Hockey Central, no mention of trading for OEL.

    Of course not. Chia’s a pro. He wouldn’t tip his hand like that.

    I can’t believe the interviewers didn’t ask him directly about it. Its a huge story. And they pretend like its not the most obvious move to improve the hockey club! I am shocked.

    They obviously will be fired soon.

  101. RexLibris says:

    G Money: Truth.

    -iness.

  102. khildahl says:

    Czar:
    PC’s interview on Hockey Central, no mention of trading for OEL.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/chiarelli-no-special-treatment-for-mcdavid/

    Unacceptable! He should be fired immediately!

    Czar:
    RNH on TSN1260 at 1:00

    Him too, unless he announces he’s changing his name to Ekman-Larson.

    He’s already got the hyphen; he’s halfway there.

  103. RexLibris says:

    John Chambers: Hilarious. Well played, Rex.

    One guy who might have some chance at being dealt is Justin Faulk. It would be a painful price, something like Draisaitl and our 2016 1st, but may be a necessary trade in order to move the needle.

    A D corps of:
    Sekara – Faulk
    Nurse – Klefbom
    Reinhart – Schultz

    … is championship-calibre by 2018.

    WG has been on the Ellis train for some time now.

    If Yakupov can come on this season I think that’s where we want to be, moving a winger with pedigree and potential for a defenseman of same.

    Understanding, though, that Yakupov’s stock needs to come up more than a little for that to be possible.

  104. RexLibris says:

    pocession charge:
    Hunter,

    *number pulled from my ass

    Oh, boy. I bet that feels better now.

  105. Czar says:

    khildahl,

    Apparently RNH has been bumped to 1:35, something about him still being at the court house filing documents to change his name.

  106. Pouzar says:

    RexLibris: Understanding, though, that Yakupov’s stock needs to come up more than a little for that to be possible.

    40 goals should do it /endtroll

  107. bendelson says:

    bhooradley:
    Hunter, 81 points please…

    Arthur. As you slowly reveal yourself to us, it is becoming clear that beyond a powerful symbol of goodness, you are also a very intelligent person.

  108. JDï™ says:

    RexLibris: I love you.

    You’re alright too kid, for a Flames spits fan.

    Man – I’ve got to get this carpet cleaned…

  109. RexLibris says:

    JDï™: You’re alright too kid, for a Flames spits fan.

    Man – I’ve got to get this carpet cleaned…

    Ha, go to FN and read the comments I’ve gotten on the RE article and the pre-season roundtable.

    If I’m a Flames fan I am one of the most simultaneously sour-faced and detested of that Gog and Magog brethren.

  110. stush18 says:

    John Chambers: Hilarious. Well played, Rex.

    One guy who might have some chance at being dealt is Justin Faulk. It would be a painful price, something like Draisaitl and our 2016 1st, but may be a necessary trade in order to move the needle.

    A D corps of:
    Sekara – Faulk
    Nurse – Klefbom
    Reinhart – Schultz

    … is championship-calibre by 2018.

    I think Faulk would be an amazing pickup, but he’s there future captain. They’ll trade away staal before him. I don’t think he would be available. I think Ellis or Jones would be more available, with the latter costing more. We’ve been over the drai for Jones trade scenarios before.

    I would like a trade for shattenkirk. Not positive but I think he’s due for a raise this year, and petterangelo(?) is there future. I would give up this years first, conditional on him resigning. I could see it happening with the oilers/blues recent history, and Armstrong seemingly losing his mind lately. If the blues need more goal scoring up front, I could see someone getting sent out.

  111. JDï™ says:

    RexLibris: go to FN

    Ya lost me…

  112. Adam Wu says:

    RexLibris:
    “Oilers need to stop rushing prospects and take the Detroit approach to letting these guys develop in the minors! Look what happened to Draisaitl last year as a rookie! It cost MacTavish his job!”

    —————–

    “How can the Oilers send Draisaitl down to the AHL? Don’t they realize he was one of the better wingers on the team? How is he supposed to develop playing in the minor leagues? This is such petty, political BS!”

    —————–

    I’ve actually seen both those opinions voiced by the same people in the last 72 hours.

    I can’t wait for the games so we can all piss and moan about something else. Of course, I’m sure some of us will bring our cognitive dissonance A game to that effort as well.

    Cognitive dissonance veterans never bring their A game in preseason, dontchaknow….

  113. McSorley33 says:

    RexLibris,

    Davidson has shown rather well thus far in that category, so the two of them, physical players both and large with decent skating ability, could defend and Reinhart has Davidson as the pressure valve release for the defensive zone if a forward is unavailable.
    There’s a lot of rookie-ness there, but cripes, I’d rather watch them make rookie errors than Ference sewer a young player with bad reads and poor passing. Two rookies learning together is a damned sight better than getting eaten alive playing with a veteran.
    *********************************************************************
    Completely agree….and I will go one farther. I think there is a strong possibility – Gryba and Ference inhibit/impair Griff’s development.

    Curious to see who draws in because I don’t believe ( I could be wrong ) there is anyone in Edmonton that feels Gryba or Ference earned a spot over Davidson.

  114. RexLibris says:

    Adam Wu: Cognitive dissonance veterans never bring their A game in preseason, dontchaknow….

    As Mike Kelly and Frank Seravalli have shown us recently, you only need to go at about 90% cognitive function for the preseason.

    The problem arises when 90% of baseline still leaves you gasping for air in a mental race with a houseplant.

    I kid, but come on, some of the stuff I’ve read the past few days…

  115. G Money says:

    RexLibris: -iness.

    Hey, when I say truth, I mean truth, not truthiness!

    Don’t go around putting your “iness” in other peoples mouths!

    (yes, this is the reason I just had to post this. Sorry)

  116. RexLibris says:

    McSorley33:
    RexLibris,

    Davidson has shown rather well thus far in that category, so the two of them, physical players both and large with decent skating ability, could defend and Reinhart has Davidson as the pressure valve release for the defensive zone if a forward is unavailable.
    There’s a lot of rookie-ness there, but cripes, I’d rather watch them make rookie errors than Ference sewer a young player with bad reads and poor passing. Two rookies learning together is a damned sight better than getting eaten alive playing with a veteran.
    *********************************************************************
    Completely agree….and I will go one farther. I think there is a strong possibility – Gryba and Ferenceinhibit/impair Griff’s development.

    Curious to see who draws in because I don’t believe ( I could be wrong ) there is anyone in Edmonton that feels Gryba or Ference earned a spot over Davidson.

    I’d go with Gryba as my 7D, to be rolled out on certain occasions where his skills demand, but Davidson is my guy for the other 60 games.

    The Ference thing waits on the Captaincy decision – likely a collection of As being dished about.

    I’d go with Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Hendricks and Lander for As myself. That covers all the bases and gives you a really well-rounded group by personality and professional experience.

    If they can somehow move Ference before or shortly after the season begins, then I think the roster begins to look rational.

    Gryba is, for me, deadline fodder. He’ll be moved for a pick, injury notwithstanding, and the Oilers can go from there.

    Question for the group though, based on limited viewing, who’d you rather have? Davidson or Corrado (after hanging an air freshener around his neck to take away some of that Canucks’ “aura”)?

  117. RexLibris says:

    G Money: Hey, when I say truth, I mean truth, not truthiness!

    Don’t go around putting your “iness” in other peoples mouths!

    (yes, this is the reason I just had to post this.Sorry)

    I’m picturing you now in an office a la Chandler shouting “I’m looking at the WENUS and I don’t like it!”

  118. Lucinius says:

    I’ll be shocked if Sekera doesn’t get An ‘A’ this season. I’m neither for or against it, but I’d bet the organization gives him one.

  119. Caramel Obvious says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – Just thinking of how much better this team would be if they added Sekera, signed Petry:

    Sekera-Petry (vets)
    Klef- Fayne (skater and stay-at-home vet)
    Reinhart/Davidson-Shultz (skater and stay-at home, easy zone starts)

    A L/R balanced D corps, not asking anyone to do what they haven’t done to date

    – I know, not earth shattering, but all the parts were on this team to compete this year for real.Frustrating.If Chia can get a Petry+ there’s a chance, and we’ve been years from being able to say only a few roster spots untill playoff team.

    That team wouldn’t fit under the cap. You can have Petry or you can have Sekera but you can’t have both.

    The fantasy scenario is to trade a forward for one of Nashville’s D, Ekholm or Ellis. They are cheaper and so easier to fit under the cap, plus they’ll cost at least one young NHL forward (i.e. Yakupov), which creates cap space as well.

    That’s the only real way to make a real improvement in the team in the short term.

  120. vinotintazo says:

    RexLibris: Question for the group though, based on limited viewing, who’d you rather have? Davidson or Corrado (after hanging an air freshener around his neck to take away some of that Canucks’ “aura”)?

    I like Davidson’s game, seems he can stop the cycle, and its a decent skater/passer. I’d take him over corrado.

  121. RexLibris says:

    Penguins demote Maatta.

    In other news, Rex ties himself into knots trying to think of what Oilers’ assets would pique Rutherford’s interest.

  122. Lowetide says:

    I see lots of “why are you so upset?” posts about Leon on twitter. I don’t think this is an ‘upset’ moment but rather a moment where thoughtful people can have a disagreement about a specific transaction. Not all decisions are black and white in fact very few are that way.

    In the shades of grey department, we have the Edmonton Oilers sending down Leon Draisaitl over other players and we also have a pretty good idea about how much Draisaitl could help.

    There are intelligent counter views above and they have merit. I don’t think this reaches the point of upset but it appears a few people don’t agree. I’ll keep my powder dry for the Hall-OEL deal.

  123. JDï™ says:

    RexLibris: what Oilers’ assets would pique Rutherford’s interest.

    You always start with the rights to O!, and go from there.

    Elsewhere, Pens fans are saying this is a short-term move until they put someone on LTIR.

  124. kinger_OIL says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    – It fits under the cap with no NN or Ferrence, and with money to spare…

    – I know just rehashing, but there was a playoff calibre D corps, with Nurse waiting in the wings…. Get NN to Russia, and trade Ferrence, maybe this year we get the “tough” Petry still, as LT has said.

    – Keep hope alive

  125. vinotintazo says:

    RexLibris:
    Penguins demote Maatta.

    In other news, Rex ties himself into knots trying to think of what Oilers’ assets would pique Rutherford’s interest.

    Cap move?

  126. JDï™ says:

    Czar: I thought Jagr had scored again.

    If it was him, I think she might have answered “Um… Y – Y” when asked for his initials.

  127. verdad2.0 says:

    Ducey,

    We can only hope.
    Check in after the 0 and 4 start.

  128. verdad2.0 says:

    Lowetide,

    Cannot happen too soon.

  129. böök¡je says:

    Lowetide:
    I see lots of “why are you so upset?” posts about Leon on twitter. I don’t think this is an ‘upset’ moment but rather a moment where thoughtful people can have a disagreement about a specific transaction. Not all decisions are black and white in fact very few are that way.

    In the shades of grey department, we have the Edmonton Oilers sending down Leon Draisaitl over other players and we also have a pretty good idea about how much Draisaitl could help.

    There are intelligent counter views above and they have merit. I don’t think this reaches the point of upset but it appears a few people don’t agree. I’ll keep my powder dry for the Hall-OEL deal.

    Whoa, calm down LT. Its going to be ok. Have a seat and take some slow easy deep breaths. You may want to close your eyes and envision a peaceful scene like the ocean or Rexall place during the NHL playoff season. The key thing is that there is nothing to freak out about here. Leon will probably be back up here soon. You and Leon are going to be ok. Try to remember that there is nothing to worry about.

  130. LadiesloveSmid says:

    wow, Pens demote Maatta?

    is that not like Edmonton demoting Klefbom? what gives?

    give them a ring PC

  131. bhooradley says:

    bendelson,

    Just dipping my toe in the pool…

  132. wheatnoil says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    wow, Pens demote Maatta?

    is that not like Edmonton demoting Klefbom? what gives?

    give them a ring PC

    Your answer is here…

    Teams will make moves today that seem odd. They're likely not, and just to maximize the LTIR benefits they can get.— WAR On Ice (@war_on_ice) October 6, 2015

    For example, the demotion of Maatta, and call-up of Sundquist gets the Penguins closer to the cap, giving them more relief when they LTIR— WAR On Ice (@war_on_ice) October 6, 2015

    Chris Kunitz or or Eric Fehr. Then with that cap space, they can call up Maatta. They would still need a roster spot for him however.— WAR On Ice (@war_on_ice) October 6, 2015

  133. Water Fire says:

    Leon might have outplayed others, he’s quality and brings more than the bottom 6 guys for sure.

    The cap might be a thing, but I would say getting the system is place is paramount. As Eakins found out, a bunch of undisciplined young guys and rookies makes that pretty hard to do.

    McLellan will establish systems and team play with as many vets as possible, who will pick it up faster. Then when rookies come up there will be something solid to work into and up to, I would think it would be easier for them the more established the routines were.

  134. Czar says:

    JDï™,

    The young lady did nothing to discredit any preconceived stereotypes.

    Two blondes fell down a hole. One said, “It’s dark in here isn’t it?” The other replied, “I don’t know; I can’t see.”

  135. jonrmcleod says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    wow, Pens demote Maatta?

    is that not like Edmonton demoting Klefbom? what gives?

    give them a ring PC

    Someone tell DSF. This should require him to adjust his calculations for how many D in the 2013 draft are better than Reinhart, right?

  136. bendelson says:

    bhooradley: bendelson, Just dipping my toe in the pool…

    For your personal safety, please ensure that is not the shark jumping pool before delving in too quickly…

  137. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Terrific McDavid article worth a read by..gasp.. ESPN.

    We are so lucky to have this young man wearing our favorite silks.
    http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/13765325/2015-16-nhl-season-preview-edmonton-oilers-star-connor-mcdavid-trying-avoid-spotlight

  138. G Money says:

    Regarding the opening game against St Louis.

    One of the indelible images in my head of the last few years is a game against St Louis where the Oilers, tiny by comparison, were simply outmatched physically everywhere on the ice. By the middle of the game, the Blues were taunting and laughing at the battered and bullied Oilers.

    One of the reasons they could get away with that is their forward roster was big – their forwards averaged 205 lbs, and their top 6 forwards averaged 207 lbs.

    Contrast that with the Oiler D, which averaged 198 lbs, and the top 4 averaged 190 (!!!) lbs, at least to start the year (this was 2014, and the top 4 were Pet-Fer-Mar-Sch).

    I don’t like to overemphasize the issue of team size, because skill and tenacity matter more. But it’s also true that, if skill is roughly on par, when you give away an average of 17 lbs per player, you’re going to get pushed around easily, and that’s what happened.

    And of course, the Blues are also disciplined and experienced, which exacerbates the mismatch.

    This year, the story is different.

    Assuming the top 6 are Sek-Fay-Klef-Schu with Rein-Gry or Rein-Dav on bottom pairing, this group averages 6’3″ and 211 lbs. The Top 4 are 6’2″ and 205 lbs.

    For the first time in forever, the Oiler D will *not* be grossly outsized by the other team.

    The Blues will need to beat the Oilers with skill rather than intimidation. Just like those early games against the Flames, where they ramped up their hitting game on the assumption that the Oilers would fold tent like they have in the past. Instead, the Oilers just pushed back, hard, and then calmly went about the business of winning at the game of hockey.

    Either way … like in so many other ways, it’s a new day.

  139. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar:
    Who the hell is Vukota????

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-western-conference-predictions-using-analytics/

    VUKOTA is a predictive system.

    It actually has some strong merits and LT has written about it in the past.

    If you want to parse this table though, pay close attention to the “model deviation” column.

    Almost every one is = or <5.00 save St. Louis, Colorado and Calgary who vary wildly between the three systems being used.

    The WAR and xGV% columns are really intriguing because they are early models of "all-around stats" and are still being hammered out.

    That those two have the Flames at 24 and 21 with VUKOTA sitting at 4, man, that's some very serious deviation and worth paying close attention to.

    Interesting also that the Oilers' point spread is essentially 4 points from low to high.

    Suggests that everything we think we're seeing with the Oilers will, alas, still come to naught once the season ends.

  140. Lowetide says:

    I’ll have my predictions for the division up at 5pm.

  141. Lowetide says:

    Uncle Tigger ‏@akaRCN 7m7 minutes ago
    #Oilers AHL @Condors lines:
    Pakarinen-Draisaitl-Miller
    Hamilton-Yakimov-Pitlick
    Moroz-McRae-Ford
    Christopher-Khaira-Platzer
    Winquist-Kessy

  142. G Money says:

    Pouzar,

    I published an article on NerdAlert last night estimating how the Oilers would do over the course of the year assuming a .500 record and then based on the strength of the competition over the year.

    As part of that, I put together a simplistic standings model that incorporated shot metrics and special teams as the measure of difficulty. I was thinking of publishing an Alert specifically on the standings model, but I dismissed doing so because it struck me as having a somewhat naive and amateurish result. (Rigorous, and good enough for my schedule estimation purposes, but still simplistic)

    Irony factor: you could put the results of that model up against any of the three that they published in that article and I think it would stand up well.

  143. TeeVee says:

    jonrmcleod: Someone tell DSF. This should require him to adjust his calculations for how many D in the 2013 draft are better than Reinhart, right?

    I see the comment section is not clogged with DSF’s nonsense lately.

    Did I miss a banning/exiling?

  144. RexLibris says:

    G Money: The Blues will need to beat the Oilers with skill rather than intimidation.

    And one wonders how easily that will be accomplished sans Oshie.

    I’m going to be watching the Blues closely this year (or as closely as I can ever stand to watch that team – something about them I just find very boring) to see where things go.

    The Oshie deal has all the hallmarks of a “we gotta get over the hump here so we’ll fix what ain’t broke” moves that teams make when they are stuck spinning their wheels.

    I think this is Hitchcock’s last season with the team unless they are sitting atop the Central division by Christmas.

    The question then becomes, who can best pick the bones of an organization that has lost it’s way.

  145. RexLibris says:

    G Money:
    Pouzar,

    I published an article on NerdAlert last night estimating how the Oilers would do over the course of the year assuming a .500 record and then based on the strength of the competition over the year.

    As part of that, I put together a simplistic standings model that incorporated shot metrics and special teams as the measure of difficulty.I was thinking of publishing an Alert specifically on the standings model, but I dismissed doing so because it struck me as having a somewhat naive and amateurish result.(Rigorous, and good enough for my schedule estimation purposes, but still simplistic)

    Irony factor: you could put the results of that model up against any of the three that they published in that article and I think it would stand up well.

    Like I said.

    Just publish, baby, just publish!

    You never know what may work. Sometimes the simplistic models have the best predictive power because they let the intricacies negate each other and look at the larger whole.

    Or at least that’s what I tell myself when I’m too lazy to break down 1st and 2nd unit PPs and PKs.

  146. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    RexLibris,

    If they decide to blow it up, gotta think Pietrangelo would be a godsend for this team. (Runs off to make voodoo dolls in Blues gear)

  147. RexLibris says:

    Neato Gaston
    ‏@bookofloob

    breaking news: Johnny Gaudreau has stolen a zamboni

    —–

    Matt Henderson ‏@Archaeologuy 10m10 minutes ago

    He’s lucky that he’s still a minor and this won’t be on his record

    ——–

    Tempest ‏@tempest9 6m6 minutes ago

    @Archaeologuy I’m just impressed he can reach the pedals.

  148. RexLibris says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    RexLibris,

    If they decide to blow it up, gotta think Pietrangelo would be a godsend for this team. (Runs off to make voodoo dolls in Blues gear)

    There’d be a lineup out the door for his services.

    He and Backes are two that jump off the page for me.

    Tarasenko won’t be going anywhere.

  149. böök¡je says:

    RexLibris: VUKOTA is a predictive system.

    It actually has some strong merits and LT has written about it in the past.

    If you want to parse this table though, pay close attention to the “model deviation” column.

    Almost every one is = or <5.00 save St. Louis, Colorado and Calgary who vary wildly between the three systems being used.

    The WAR and xGV% columns are really intriguing because they are early models of “all-around stats” and are still being hammered out.

    That those two have the Flames at 24 and 21 with VUKOTA sitting at 4, man, that’s some very serious deviation and worth paying close attention to.

    Interesting also that the Oilers’ point spread is essentially 4 points from low to high.

    Suggests that everything we think we’re seeing with the Oilers will, alas, still come to naught once the season ends.

    The problem is that the models are largely based upon past performance. In cases where there is a lot of continuity, that will work fine, but in cases where a lot of things change, it is going to be less successful. I think the changes in coaching and management are big in Edmonton. I also think the predictive models used struggle with McDavid and the Oiler goalies, none of which have a long term record to draw upon.

    With that said, I am an optimist and likely assess too much influence to coaching and new player hype.

    With that noted, models are only as good as their data and there are a lot of statistical models that would suggest that Eberle will score some points in the first 10 games of the season. I, on the other hand with my ‘human’ advantages suspect he will not score a lot of points early on.

  150. böök¡je says:

    I should add that I am a fan of statistics, modelling, etc and they often are really good at countering the failings of human analysis. However, in many cases, there are easily discernible weaknesses in the models that are rooted in the data which they are fed.

  151. G Money says:

    böök¡je,

    aka

    Garbage ¡n, Garbage öut?

    böök¡je: I think the changes in coaching and management are big in Edmonton. I also think the predictive models used struggle with McDavid and the Oiler goalies, none of which have a long term record to draw upon.

    The model I ended up going with was light on the in-season analytics (SCF%, PPSF/60, PKSA/60), but tried to add a subjective up or downtick for the offseason, including coaching & management, goalie changes, D changes, and F changes.

    I suspect that’s why the results don’t appear to suffer much compared to these other, more comprehensive, models. I attached the spreadsheets to my article if anyone feels brave enough to discombobulate and customize them.

  152. RexLibris says:

    G Money:
    böök¡je,

    aka

    Garbage in, Garbage öut

    *whistle*

    Unsportsmanlike use of umlauts. Gmoney.

    Five yard penalty.

    Repeat 1st down.

  153. G Money says:

    RexLibris,

    Damn, I thought it was kind of clever¡¡¡

  154. RexLibris says:

    böök¡je,

    I agree.

    For instance, the Calgary prediction for VUKOTA heavily emphasizes sh% and other “finishing” skills that our own GMoney has shown to have little statistical repeatability. Whereas the other two correlate closer to possession metrics which we also know to have a very strong relationship over time to wins.

    VUKOTA is nice as a complementary tool, it aligns well with about 80% of the other two in that table, but the outliers are notable and extreme.

  155. Czar says:

    I’m a fan of models too, lingerie in particular.

  156. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    RexLibris: There’d be a lineup out the door for his services.

    He and Backes are two that jump off the page for me.

    Tarasenko won’t be going anywhere.

    Well, it’s a good thing the Oilers will have traded Hall and a pick for OEL already. OEL and something else should get us Pietrangelo

  157. dustrock says:

    St. Louis and San Jose are 2 teams that interest me.

    I thought the Sharks did some decent things to try to get back into the playoffs this year.

    The Blues, I’m not so convinced. They’re a hard team to figure out.

  158. Ducey says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": Well,it’sa good thing the Oilers will have traded Hall and a pick for OEL already. OEL and something else should get us Pietrangelo

    No, no. Once we have OEL for 2 years, we will flip him and something else for scoring. Someone like Hall would be nice.

  159. MOAR WINZ PLEEZ says:

    hunter1909,

    89 points, homage to Sam Gagner

  160. stevezie says:

    Caption:
    “They own the city, but we own them.”

  161. RexLibris says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": Well,it’sa good thing the Oilers will have traded Hall and a pick for OEL already. OEL and something else should get us Pietrangelo

    By then Pietrangelo will be near the end of his contract.

    We’ll have to flip him at the deadline for picks or a prospect.

    It’s the Oiler way.

  162. RexLibris says:

    Not sure how this hasn’t been mentioned here yet: http://www.tsn.ca/report-former-nhler-avery-arrested-1.372713

    Mischief and possession of a controlled substance (7th degree possession!!! – what in the hell is 7th degree possession? Is that like somebody even Kevin Bacon doesn’t know was holding?)

  163. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide:
    Uncle Tigger ‏@akaRCN7m7 minutes ago
    #Oilers AHL @Condors lines:
    Pakarinen-Draisaitl-Miller
    Hamilton-Yakimov-Pitlick
    Moroz-McRae-Ford
    Christopher-Khaira-Platzer
    Winquist-Kessy

    Lots of prospects in the Top 6 with only Hamilton as the non-prospect. Seems reasonable. Injuries and the eventual Drai call-up will open doors for Platzer and the AHL signings will have to work hard to steal someone’s lunch money. Only Kessy starts off on the short end of the stick… but I thought there was an injury there?

  164. JDï™ says:

    RexLibris: what in the hell is 7th degree possession?

    Sloppy sevenths?

  165. GCW_69 says:

    Caramel Obvious: That team wouldn’t fit under the cap.You can have Petry or you can have Sekera but you can’t have both.

    The fantasy scenario is to trade a forward for one of Nashville’s D, Ekholm or Ellis.They are cheaper and so easier to fit under the cap, plus they’ll cost at least one young NHL forward (i.e. Yakupov), which creates cap space as well.

    That’s the only real way to make a real improvement in the team in the short term.

    That defence is well within average spend on the top six. The problem would have come next season when they would need to pick between Schultz and Fayne to accommodate Klefbom’s new deal.

    Would have needed to buy out Ference and pay someone to take Nikitin, but it should have been doable.

  166. Магия 10 says:

    RexLibris: Mischief and possession of a controlled substance (7th degree possession!!! – what in the hell is 7th degree possession

    apparently one rung below the 6 degrees of felony.

  167. wheatnoil says:

    JDï™: Sloppy sevenths?

    I don’t know whether you win the thread or are suspended from future threads with that comment.

  168. BlueNoteNorth says:

    Caption – “He’s got his hand in my pocket again.”

    Glad that PC wants Nurse and Draisaitl to continue to work on their game in the AHL.

    It certainly helped Klefbom and Lander.

    Have been waiting for years for the Oilers to take this approach rather than rushing kids to the NHL.

    Bravo PC. Bravo!

  169. GCW_69 says:

    Pouzar:
    Who the hell is Vukota????

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-western-conference-predictions-using-analytics/

    Makes my 75 point prediction look pretty good!

  170. Lowetide says:

    Oilers sign Braden Christoffer to a three-year entry level deal. Impressive.

  171. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: WG has been on the Ellis train for some time now.

    If Yakupov can come on this season I think that’s where we want to be, moving a winger with pedigree and potential for a defenseman of same.

    Understanding, though, that Yakupov’s stock needs to come up more than a little for that to be possible.

    I like Ellis a lot but I’m not sure he can handle 1RD without a good 1LD and I’m not sure there’s one on the roster. Maybe Klef in a few years.

    Two reasons:

    1) I think Ekholm might be the driver in that pairing (Ekholm has been with Jones in pre-season)

    2) I don’t think is QC is as close to Weber’s as most of the QC metrics show.

    I manually looked at who both Weber and Ellis played in the last two years and how they did.

    Weber gets heavy, heavy minutes and Ellis TOI vs the best just didn’t compare.

  172. Woodguy says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    wow, Pens demote Maatta?

    is that not like Edmonton demoting Klefbom? what gives?

    give them a ring PC

    Cap compliance thing.

    Maatta is playing 2nd pair and will be back right away.

  173. BlueNoteNorth says:

    Caption – “I look at it this way; one is brain trust, the other brain fart.”

  174. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: I like Ellis a lot but I’m not sure he can handle 1RD without a good 1LD and I’m not sure there’s one on the roster. Maybe Klef in a few years.

    Two reasons:

    1) I think Ekholm might be the driver in that pairing (Ekholm has been with Jones in pre-season)

    2) I don’t think is QC is as close to Weber’s as most of the QC metrics show.

    I manually looked at who both Weber and Ellis played in the last two years and how they did.

    Weber gets heavy, heavy minutes and Ellis TOI vs the best just didn’t compare.

    Interesting. Thought I’d read Weber was getting less drastic minutes. Thanks for that, WG.

  175. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers sign Braden Christoffer to a three-year entry level deal. Impressive.

    WOW.

  176. kinger_OIL says:

    – VUKOTA: sounds like a slavic super-model on the cover of the next SI Swimsuit issue…

    – And she had same point total as I for the prediction: I like, her, a lot…

  177. Pouzar says:

    RexLibris: Like I said.

    Just publish, baby, just publish!

    You never know what may work. Sometimes the simplistic models have the best predictive power because they let the intricacies negate each other and look at the larger whole.

    Or at least that’s what I tell myself when I’m too lazy to break down 1st and 2nd unit PPs and PKs.

    Thx gentlemen.

  178. Snowman says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers sign Braden Christoffer to a three-year entry level deal. Impressive.

    Good for him. He jumped a long way up the prospect list in a hurry. Liked the urgency in his game.

  179. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers sign Braden Christoffer to a three-year entry level deal. Impressive.

    Interesting. This is a scenario where there was little benefit to waiting a year and then signing him. Christoffer is 21 now, so signs a 3 year ELC. Had they waited to sign him next year, he’d be a 2-year ELC. So the Oilers didn’t give up any years of control by signing him now vs later. Instead, the young man just got a reward for an excellent rookie camp and preseason.

    I wonder if this might help entice future AHL-only contracts?

  180. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Uncle Tigger ‏@akaRCN7m7 minutes ago
    #Oilers AHL @Condors lines:
    Pakarinen-Draisaitl-Miller
    Hamilton-Yakimov-Pitlick
    Moroz-McRae-Ford
    Christopher-Khaira-Platzer
    Winquist-Kessy

    4 prospects in the top 6.

    Sanity.

    Finally.

    2 prospects and 1 vet per line.

    I like it.

    Edit: Oops 5/6 prospects in the top 6

    I didn’t mentally have Miller as a prospect given his age.

    I don’t think Chia has him as a prospect given his size.

  181. JDï™ says:

    kinger_OIL: VUKOTA: sounds like a slavic super-model on the cover of the next SI Swimsuit issue…

    No no no – it’s Abe Vukota. He played Fish on Barney Miller, which would explain his fondness for the Sharks…

  182. wheatnoil says:

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/blog.htm?pg=1&id=23

    Dreamy McDreamerson is a go for the season opener.

    “Klefbom said his injury was just some soreness in his foot and he’s fully ready to play when the Oilers open the season against St. Louis on Thursday. Sitting out was a precaution to limit the regular season games he’d miss to start. It turns out, he won’t miss any.”

  183. böök¡je says:

    G Money:
    böök¡je,

    aka

    Garbage ¡n, Garbage öut?

    Yep, something that gets missed a LOT in real world applications.

  184. wheatnoil says:

    Woodguy: 4 prospects in the top 6.

    Sanity.

    Finally.

    2 prospects and 1 vet per line.

    I like it.

    5 in the Top 6 if you count Miller. He’s older but has a non-zero chance of playing some NHL games this year.

  185. Really? says:

    Caption for the picture with Chia, young Katz, Katz the elder and MacT

    “Son, I told you that eating that stuff would give you gas!”

  186. Woodguy says:

    As per Gregor:

    Nikitin looking at playing for Omsk in KHL.

    Doesn’t mean they’ll mutually agree to terminate the contract though.

    Speculation is Omsk will pay Oilers some $ to allow him to play there.

    Cap hit won’t go away in that scenario.

  187. Магия 10 says:

    Photo Caption:

    “Thanks Son. That was a great suggestion to hire Chia to work with MacT”

    “Great Dad. Now can I recommend someone different to work with Chia?”

  188. AsiaOil says:

    Agree that a GR-Davidson 3rd pair might work. Davidson is a rookie himself – but he was the leader on OKC defense last year and was comfortable mentoring younger guys. Gryba has his uses though – and the St Louis game might just be one where his physical game can be helpful. As long as Ference does not see the ice I’m happy.

    The bad contracts (Ference, Nikitin) and lack of certainty about the young guys (Klef, GR, Nurse and even Shultz) make fixing the defense this year almost impossible. You have to be really careful not to spend big assets or get tied up in a long contract to fix a problem that might not be there in 12-24 months depending on how the young guys develop. A lot of this will be clearer next summer and it’s poor judgement to force a answer when you are not even sure you are asking the right question. Hard to be patient anymore but at least we can have some confidence that the people making the decisions are capable.

  189. böök¡je says:

    Woodguy,

    I wonder if it’s the full cap hit or the same as if he were in the minors.

  190. AsiaOil says:

    böök¡je,

    I’d expect it’s the same cap hit as if he’s in the minors. Basically replaced Nikitin with Davidson and saved abut $400,000 in cap room. Omsk might be willing to pay something close to Davidson’s actual salary – so replacing Nikitin with Davidson costs nothing but $4 million of Batman’s money and lost opportunities to sign useful players. Still a brutal brutal signing……

  191. PunkInDrublic says:

    Caption: “Keep your voice down son… MacT still thinks he’s GM.”

  192. maudite says:

    Hunter:

    30 wins 36 losses

    16 ot – 7 wins 9 losses
    83 points

  193. PhrankLee says:

    Really?: Caption for the picture with Chia, young Katz, Katz the elder and MacT
    “Son, I told you that eating that stuff would give you gas!”

    Ha ha. I was going to submit:

    No, no, son… Let’s walk down and fuck them all…

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