G1 2015-16: OILERS AT BLUES

My Grandma cheered for the Leafs. I can still remember her voice as she yelled at Johnny Bower or Mike Palmateer (“get back in your net!”) and those Leafs usually responded. The 1960’s were a good time for the English in Canada (Toronto won in 1962, 1963, 1964 and 1967) although the Habs ran over everyone in the other years not named 1961. She used to dry the dishes during the game, but could never keep the production line in order—going from the kitchen to the living room several times during each period. Often, there would be dry plates and spoons all over the house with multiple tea towels beside them. She loved the hockey and my family gifted it to me on nights just like the one we’re about to enjoy.

The dawn of the 1970s brought the big, bad Bruins and that was my team. I was a Leafs fan from birth, but the fracture created by the Frank Mahovlich trade was enough to wash away decades of family devotion and I was free to cheer for Bobby Orr and Boston. They were fabulous in the 1970s, just impossible to overcome because of an offense that 1980s Oilers’ fans could have related to for its power. I think that era, the Orr era, is the time in my life the game hooked me and it’s never let go. Thank you, Grandma. What a gift you gave me.

I missed you, hockey. Welcome home.

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McDavid changed everything. The Oilers on-the-job management training was trashed, their entry-level coaching model hit the garbage barge and the rebuild turned into a genuine attempt to improve the parent roster.

McDavid changed everything. Peter Chiarelli joined the band, Todd McLellan too and they tried to patch up an addled roster with (sort of) veterans Cam Talbot, Andrej Sekera and Mark Letestu. There was too much to do in one summer and the bad contracts run out in 2016 (save for Andrew Ference, who will be bought out) and we are here.

The new men come from various sources:

  • Trades: G Cam Talbot, G Anders Nilsson, D Griffin Reinhart, D Eric Gryba, L Lauri Korpikoski
  • Free Agency: D Andrej Sekera, C Mark Letestu
  • Draft and Development: D Brandon Davidson
  • The Draft: C Connor McDavid, R Anton Slepyshev

AND SO IT BEGINS…..

OILERS OC 5

I’m more confident in the goaltending than most, it’s probably the big disconnect on the blog currently. There’s good reason to be worried—Edmonton doesn’t have an established starter or backup—but the bet (imo) can go sideways without flushing the season (you can always trade for a goalie, and I think Chiarelli will if he needs to do it). I think Talbot has this, he’ll be a significant upgrade. We worry because of the past and that’s human. All of the smart people tell me the dice have no memory and for Oilers fans two wobbly goalie seasons can’t be followed by a third. Peter Chiarelli can’t let that happen again. Full stop.

The greater concern for me is defense and Edmonton’s top three (Sekera, Fayne, Klefbom) aren’t strong enough to support the remaining five blue. I keep hoping Edmonton can return to the olden days at the turn of the century, when they could cobble together four actual defensemen (Janne Niinimaa, Jason Smith, Eric Brewer, Steve Staios in 2002-03, or until the deadline). Edmonton needs Schultz or Reinhart (or Nurse) to arrive in a helluva hurry, or they need to make a trade.

In Peter Chiarelli’s first Boston summer, he traded for Paul Mara and the organization signed Zdeno Chara, effectively changing the blue in two deals. Chiarelli didn’t stop there, in fact he was more active during the season:

  • February 10, 2007: Bruins trade D Brad Stuart and F Wayne Primeau to the Calgary Flames for D Andrew Ference and F Chuck Kobasew.Chiarelli: “It became evident that when I wasn’t having success signing Brad that I was going to have to trade Brad. Part of what we have to do is preserve the assets of players that are unrestricted. Chuck is 24 and Andrew is 27. They add some youth and energy, which we want to add to this team.”
  • February 27, 2007: Bruins trade D Paul Mara to the NY Rangers for D Aaron Ward.
  • February 27, 2007: Bruins trade D Brad Boyes to St. Louis for D Dennis Wideman.
  • Chiarelli on the February trades: “Part of the rationale in the [Brad Stuart] deal and these two deals was to have players who can help us now, in the short term and the mid term. I feel we have the depth, both in unsigned draft choices and in Providence. For example, David Krejci came up, and game to game, he played better. So that’s just the glimpse of the depth we have.”

I think we could see something similar in the coming season. Chiarelli has Sekera, Klefbom and Fayne signed/under control, but Justin Schultz has another RFA summer coming. He could be in the “Brad Stuart” window above, and Chiarelli may have a candidate on the roster to serve in the Brad Boyes role above, too. While I’m at it, allow me to mention that an Eric Gryba extension may mean they’ll cash Mark Fayne for a more mobile RH option. I’d also like to see a Klefbom—Sekera 10-game run.

And then we have the youngsters Reinhart and Nurse. Among the three youngsters (Klefbom, too) I don’t think we’re going to see a Niinimaa, we’re looking at three Brewers (no 40-point seasons I can see). The defense is in a period of transition, I think we’ll see changes before spring that include outside additions.

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ONE YEAR AGO!

The game day thread is here, we were talking about Petry and counting down to the trade:

Darren Dreger “The Edmonton Oilers are weak up the middle of the ice and we know that Craig MacTavish is looking for a center. Not to suggest that they’re shopping (Petry) … It’s not a perfect scenario to have an 18-year-old in Leon Draisaitl as your second line center … But (Petry’s) a piece of the puzzle they might use if there is a center who fits with their need.” Source

OPENING NIGHT LINEUP, 2014-15

  • G Ben Scrivens
  • D1 Brad Hunt—Justin Schultz
  • D2 Andrew Ference—Jeff Petry
  • D3 Nikita Nikitin—Mark Fayne
  • L1 Taylor Hall—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Jordan Eberle
  • L2 David Perron—Mark Arcobello—Teddy Purcell
  • L3 Benoit Pouliot—Leon Draisaitl—Nail Yakupov
  • L4: Matt Hendricks—Boyd Gordon—Jesse Joensuu
  • Source

If you read the comments in the GDT, the real impact of the goaltending screams from the pages and pages of posters in varying degrees of rage. That GDT is a very good reflection of the moment a year ago when fans realized it was happening again, the call was coming from inside the house.

I believe Cam Talbot is an excellent bet, and Anders Nilsson is a fascinating curio. Ben Scrivens is also available via recall and Laurent Brossoit continues to matriculate. If all else fails, I expect a trade. Chiarelli and McLellan didn’t come here for the forensics.

NHLE UPDATE

Using Rob’s updated numbers, here are some projections from the Oilers prospect list (per 82GP)

  1. Connor McDavid 25-44-69
  2. Leon Draisaitl 13-24-37
  3. Anton Slepyshev 18-11-29
  4. Iiro Pakarinen 17-11-28
  5. Darnell Nurse 8-17-25
  6. Bogdan Yakimov 8-11-19
  7. Griffin Reinhart 5-10-15

Hmm. Interesting. The gap between Leon and Anton S. is closer here (and dammit all anyway Pakarinen’s injury was a real shame). Nurse remains a better offensive prospect from the blue than Reinhart, but we knew that much going in.

The Bakersfield Condors are a very good AHL team. There’s enough young talent down there to capture our attention all season long. Here’s my top 40 list with Condors players underlined:

  1. C Connor McDavid 
  2. C Leon Draisaitl
  3. D Darnell Nurse 
  4. D Griffin Reinhart
  5. C Bogdan Yakimov
  6. W Iiro Pakarinen
  7. C Kyle Platzer
  8. C-R Greg Chase
  9. L Anton Slepyshev
  10. D Ethan Bear
  11. G Laurent Brossoit
  12. D Joey Laleggia
  13. D Dillon Simpson
  14. G Eetu Laurikainen
  15. R Andrew Miller
  16. D Jordan Oesterle
  17. D Caleb Jones
  18. C Jujhar Khaira
  19. R Tyler Pitlick
  20. D William Lagesson
  • Goal: Ben Scrivens, Laurent Brossoit, Eetu Laurikainen(R)
  • Left Defense: Darnell Nurse, Brad Hunt, David Musil, Nick Pageau
  • Right Defense: Joey Laleggia, Nikita Nikitin, Jordan Oesterle, Martin Gernat
  • Center: Leon Draisaitl, Bogdan Yakimov, Phil McRae, Jujhar Khaira
  • Left Wing: Ryan Hamilton, Iiro Pakarinen, Braden Christoffer, Mitch Moroz, Kale Kessy, Daniil Zharkov
  • Right Wing: Andrew Miller, Tyler Pitlick, Matt Ford, Kyle Platzer, Josh Winquist

Condors play tomorrow night, I’ll have a GDT up around 5pm and hopefully the lines and pairings. Honestly, there isn’t a whole lot to follow in the CHL or USHL/college/Europe, so I’ll be paying close attention to the flight of the Condors.

WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN YOU’RE EXPECTING

Jacob Trouba took a long shot from just past center and Devan Dubnyk folded like a cheap suit. You could feel it coming on, the Oilers had been in full chaos mode for hours. Fast forward 365 days, and Ben Scrivens lost in a fog behind the net and in no man’s land.

Make it stop. I can accept the Oilers losing tonight, the St. Louis Blues are a tough team and Ken Hitchcock delights in watching the Oil bleed all over the ice. As a fan, what I’m looking for is simple competence—the correct roster, less running around chasing the puck, less tomfoolery in the neutral zone and more give a care on the backchecks and breakouts. And for the love of baby Jesus, a good goaltending effort.

  • Darryl Sutter: “The big thing in today’s game is you have to be able forecheck and backcheck, and you have to have the puck. You can’t give the puck up. We don’t play in our zone, so there’s not much defending.  I’ve coached in three decades now and this stuff where they said Marian had to play in Jacques’s system is a bunch of bull-crap. The game’s changed. They think there’s defending in today’s game. Nah, it’s how much you have the puck. Teams that play around in their own zone think they’re defending but they’re generally getting scored on or taking face-offs and they need a goalie to stand on his head if that’s the way they play.”

 

Godspeed, Edmonton Oilers. We’re with you all the way, just show us a sign, some sign, that we are moving to a better day. Destination unknown? I’m all about it. We need to leave this place we’re in, drive away from the last chance Texaco and leave it in the distance. Forever.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show as you can imagine, there’s a lot happening today. 10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Grant McCagg, McKeens Head Scout. The man who scouted for the Habs during the Gainey era will join us to talk about 2015’s crop and those who will make their NHL debut. Plus we’ll look at the 2016 crop of prospects in early days.
  • Rob Vollman, ESPN. We dig deep on this version of the Oilers, and discuss the importance of Hall and his cluster entering their prime. We’ll also talk about McDavid and his possible impact as a rookie.
  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. We’ll talk about Cam Talbot and Anders Nilsson, plus the additions of Sekera, Reinhart and Gryba. I’ll ask Darcy for a ‘line in the sand’ for Edmonton this season.
  • Corey Graham, TSN1260. The Oil Kings have been heart attack central so far this season, we’ll talk about the goalie tandem and where the goals will come from.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. This is the day.

 

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  1. stephen sheps says:

    this is one of those exceptionally rare nights when my team in 2 different sports are both playing. Watched the entire Oilers game and switched over to baseball as soon as the game was done. My beloved Houston Astros (yes, I know, don’t judge – they were last in the playoffs the year before the Oilers were last in the playoffs and also played in the NL then… I’m also a Dolphins fan, talk about tire fires…) are up 5-2 with half an inning to go in game 1 of the ALDS. Even though I have a pile of grading to get through, this really is the best time of the year.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Scrambly now, we’re back to not winning faceoffs and the breakouts are getting sloppy. We’re five mintues from Staios to Lupul here.

  3. böök¡je says:

    Woodguy: Fire bookie.

    We’re supposed to light it on fire.

    I have a poor memery!

  4. Lowetide says:

    Okay, I don’t think McDavid Hall like the chip and chase. It isn’t their style. We’re going to have to watch how they enter. God Hall just folded like a cheap suit.

  5. Kmart99 says:

    Woodguy:
    Kmart99,

    This team is exactly who I thought they were. Without a developed Nurse and Draisait, they are TOAST. Expect .300 in the first 20 games.

    Would you care to wager on that?

    Where do you have the Oil after 20?

  6. dustrock says:

    Woodguy: I liked the D too, but thought none of em could skate too quickly.

    Nurse is going to stick out like a sore thumb.

    A speedy sore thumb.

    Yeah. I think Fayne is Old Staios slow. Gryba and Reinhart played very well against a tough Bliues team, in fact Reinhart might have been our best d-man.

    Breakouts much better, puck retrieval better. Blues D much better than ours and also better puck support for the forwards.

    Oilers don’t get a lot of open shots.

    Oh well, I’d rather play literally any other team in the NHL, so not bad overall.

    Talbot is the real deal.

    Sleppy tough game against a tough team. Struggled a bit with lack of space.

  7. Bag of Pucks says:

    Yakupov reminded me of a lady mud wrestler tonight. Doesn’t really accomplish anything in the grand scheme of things, but entertaining as hell to watch.

  8. dustrock says:

    As LT mentioned, faceoffs seemed laughably bad.

  9. Lowetide says:

    gryba fight on a hit from behind. I think Gryba won but no real idea. Gryba a ginger? Filthy hit by a Blue on Letestu.

  10. hunter1909 says:

    Confession:

    When I decided to predict Oilers were going to get 106 points, I used my all time fave historical team, the 1971 Montreal Canadiens(the team that destroyed Boston’s dynasty) who I mistakenly thought had ended up with 107 points….subtracting 1 point for shits and giggles.

    Then, a couple of days ago I actually checked the 1970-71 season, which I never saw a single second of, only to discover the Habs ended up with 97 points that year….it was Chicago with Bobby Hull who ended up with 107 points.

    I’m not the type who likes to back down, online, so i decided to stick to my water pistols.

    True story.

  11. Gordies Elbow says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Yakupov reminded me of a lady mud wrestler tonight. Doesn’t really accomplish anything in the grand scheme of things, but entertaining as hell to watch.

    That, my dear sir, is an awesome comment.

  12. Woodguy says:

    Kmart99: Where do you have the Oil after 20?

    More than that.

  13. G Money says:

    Kmart99: Expect .300 in the first 20 games.
    Would you care to wager on that?
    Where do you have the Oil after 20?

    As a side note, I should point out that the Oilers last year, with last years coaching, last years roster, and last years goalering, went .333 against the elite teams of the league.

    Just like the goalies and their soft goals were a killer, it was the .400 record against the bottom dwellers of the league that really killed the team last year.

  14. Kmart99 says:

    I was always expecting a loss. It’s not the L that scares me. It’s the manner in which the team earned the L.

  15. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    gryba fight on a hit from behind. I think Gryba won but no real idea. Gryba a ginger? Filthy hit by a Blue on Letestu.

    That was Ott.

    Natch.

  16. Lowetide says:

    The third line ran what looked like a set piece, Sekera long pass to maybe Hendricks, who chips it back to Letestu. Interesting. A monster stretch pass and it worked.

  17. Woodguy says:

    G Money: As a side note, I should point out that the Oilers last year, with last years coaching, last years roster, and last years goalering, went .333 against the elite teams of the league.

    Just like the goalies and their soft goals were a killer, it was the .400 record against the bottom dwellers of the league that really killed the team last year.

    Why are you harshing my deal?

  18. Kmart99 says:

    Woodguy,

    You want to wager, I’m not opposed to it, but I’d like to know the terms.

  19. Lowetide says:

    Fucking Purcell. Get pucks deep. Tied. Fuck off.

  20. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Yakupov reminded me of a lady mud wrestler tonight. Doesn’t really accomplish anything in the grand scheme of things, but entertaining as hell to watch.

    That’s pretty good.

  21. BAUCE says:

    The second blues goal is evidence that bad habits die hard.

  22. Woodguy says:

    Kmart99:
    Woodguy,

    You want to wager, I’m not opposed to it, but I’d like to know the terms.

    I’m open to pretty much anything.

  23. G Money says:

    Woodguy,

    Whoops, sorry.

    I’m just hyping my published work!!

  24. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide commenting this game, with his 45 minute or whatever the fuck it is delay is calming me down.

    Lowetide’s the heart and soul of all Oiler fans, everywhere. In 2 years from now he’s going to be socializing with Katz. Then we, the unwashed, will be able to brag about how we used to know him.

  25. Kmart99 says:

    Woodguy: I’m open to pretty much anything

    Tell me where you think they’ll finish after 20.

  26. stephen sheps says:

    in case anyone other than me cares… ASTROS WIN!!!

    I’m just not used to teams I like winning playoff games. Please let me have this

  27. Lowetide says:

    Lander quiet until this point, he and Nail work well and Yak passes nicely to Reinhart for a shot. Gazdic with a nice power move, haven’t seen that. Purcell is Cory Cross slow. Yak seems to close on things, playing with Slepy now.

  28. Lowetide says:

    Gazdic had the best shift as an Oiler with Pouliot and Nuge. Lordy. Hammering people. Lehtera is going to need a new bumper.

  29. Woodguy says:

    Kmart99: Tell me where you think they’ll finish after 20.

    I want to bet the over on your .300

  30. stephen sheps says:

    Lowetide,

    that was a really good shift. Maybe Gazdic can actually play a regular shift. I’d be thrilled.

  31. Lowetide says:

    Gryba with a nice sequence, really good defending. Travis Yost said he could do it and he’s right. Cam Talbot is the best Oiler in the game. Korpikoski is trying my devotion to the Finns with his SWIM moves. That rookie tandem in St. Louis are going to be good, someone needs to trade for the St. Albert kid.

    Getting a bit choppy now, were 17 minutes in. Yakupov is a tank, just crazy hammering and he keeps going. SCHULTZ nice defensive play. Lander invisible. Gazdic back out! with Nuge and Poo. Sekera with Gryba! What the hell McLEllan

  32. hunter1909 says:

    stephen sheps:
    in case anyone other than me cares… ASTROS WIN!!!

    I’m just not used to teams I like winning playoff games. Please let me have this

    Fins fan here.

    Once, during college in November drove one of those drive away cars down to Broward County for a pair of old people…a really cool red 6 cylinder model.

    It was an incredible drive…I drove from Charleston WV to Miami in one day…12-14 hundred miles I don’t remember…ending up in some of the most incredible situations I have ever been situated in.

    PS: Dan Marino should not have worn the number 13. It jinxed him. Sorry, but that’s a fact.

    You know, a fact. Like dinosaurs existed 3,500 years ago. : p

  33. Kmart99 says:

    Woodguy: I want to bet the over on your .300

    So you don’t actually have a prediction? Seems convenient.

    I’m using a little hyperbole with the .300 nbr, but I’ll stand by it. Oil looked as bad against STL this game as they did last year.

    For you to just take the over is nonsense. I’ll go up against G Money’s prediction of .400, whoever is closer wins.

  34. Lowetide says:

    Faceoffs are silly bad I bet, Hendricks working hard, Hall looks confused, he’s kind of chasing the puck everywhere like we all did as kids. Maybe they’ve filled him with too much information?

  35. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide is the spiritual Guru of every 2nd tier Oiler fan.

  36. böök¡je says:

    Kmart99: So you don’t actually have a prediction?Seems convenient.

    I’m using a little hyperbole with the .300 nbr, but I’ll stand by it.Oil looked as bad against STL this game as they did last year.

    For you to just take the over is nonsense. I’ll go up against G Money’s prediction of .400, whoever is closer wins.

    So, what you are saying is that you are setting an over/under of .350 and taking the under.

    Woodguy?

    Now you need to figure out what you are betting.

  37. Lowetide says:

    McDavid getting no space this game, agree with whoever said this was a bad team for him to debut. Fayne battled Ott, really nice work there. I think Sekera is better without Fayne. OH MCDAVID! SHIT! Close.

  38. Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker) says:

    Can you disable the socialist ads LT?

  39. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide:
    Faceoffs are silly bad I bet, Hendricks working hard, Hall looks confused, he’s kind of chasing the puck everywhere like we all did as kids. Maybe they’ve filled him with too much information?

    Hall needs his very own Ted Lindsay, and Delvecchio.

    McLennan will sort this team out in a big fat hurry.

    Bank on it.

  40. Woodguy says:

    Kmart99: So you don’t actually have a prediction?Seems convenient.

    I’m using a little hyperbole with the .300 nbr, but I’ll stand by it.Oil looked as bad against STL this game as they did last year.

    For you to just take the over is nonsense. I’ll go up against G Money’s prediction of .400, whoever is closer wins.

    I’m not the one who said:

    This team is exactly who I thought they were. Without a developed Nurse and Draisait, they are TOAST. Expect .300 in the first 20 games.

    I’m simply asking you to put your money where you mouth is.

    Deriding me for not putting a number out there is pretty weak.

    I didn’t set the bar, you did.

    Now that you admit its hyperbole, that’s fine but don’t shit talk me for trying to take advantage of it.

    Wanna go over/under on .350?

  41. Kmart99 says:

    böök¡je: So, what you are saying is that you are setting an over/under of .350 and taking the under.

    Woodguy?

    Now you need to figure out what you are betting.

    Yip, .350 is a push

  42. Woodguy says:

    Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker):
    Can you disable the socialist ads LT?

    Are they really socialists if they are paying for ad time?

  43. Kmart99 says:

    If I predict .300 after 20, and the Oil finish with 1 or 2 OTLs above that mark I’d still say my prediction was accurate.

  44. Woodguy says:

    Kmart99: Yip, .350 is a push

    I’m down.

    Stakes?

  45. dustrock says:

    Kmart99: So you don’t actually have a prediction?Seems convenient.

    I’m using a little hyperbole with the .300 nbr, but I’ll stand by it.Oil looked as bad against STL this game as they did last year.

    For you to just take the over is nonsense. I’ll go up against G Money’s prediction of .400, whoever is closer wins.

    Don’t think the Oilers looked in any way as bad as last year with D and goaltending. I’m also fairly convinced this is the best lineup the Blues have iced in years.

  46. Lowetide says:

    Nail made a poor decision and a turnover results in Brodziak iron. Why did we trade him again? Bad sideburns? Reinhart hits a guy and he’s down. The young man needs to do more of it. Blues are pricks.

  47. hunter1909 says:

    Kmart99,

    With respect, when was the last time you paid up a bet that you lost?

  48. Woodguy says:

    Kmart99:
    If I predict .300 after 20, and the Oil finish with 1 or 2 OTLs above that mark I’d still say my prediction was accurate.

    Points are points.

    14pts is .350 after 20 games.

    The bar is set, I have the over.

    Stakes?

  49. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Nail made a poor decision and a turnover results inBrodziak iron. Why did we trade him again? Bad sideburns? Reinhart hits a guy and he’s down. The young man needs to do more of it. Blues are pricks.

    MacTavish gifted MA Pouliot his spot.

    Maybe you’ve heard of him.

  50. hunter1909 says:

    Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker):
    Can you disable the socialist ads LT?

    Adblock. And when sites beg you to “play ball” ignore their blandishments.

    I worked in the advertising world. It’s evil.

  51. Lowetide says:

    Talbot really good. Nuge wins a battle, he’s really emerging folks. Slepy drives to the net, then behind, then a nice pass but Hall only gets the tie and it goes nowhere. Giveaway Gryba, they do okay covering. Lander and Korpikoski combine on a nice little play and Gryba drives it into the nearest Blue. Holy hell he’s not going to help in the offensive zone.

  52. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy: MacTavish gifted MA Pouliot his spot.

    Maybe you’ve heard of him.

    What else can you expect? They traded Parise for the right to draft that loser.

  53. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Didn’t see the 1st and 2nd, but Nuge had a terrible 3rd. Hall looks out of shape or the knee injuries have robbed his 1st and 5th gears. Not enough traffic in front of Elliot as usual.
    Forgot what a real goaler looks like. Otherwise predictable because Hitchcock

  54. vishcosity says:

    Woodguy: Are they really socialists if they are paying for ad time?

    Don’t socialists pay for everything?

  55. böök¡je says:

    Kmart99,

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  56. hunter1909 says:

    vishcosity: Don’t socialists pay for everything?

    Socialism sucks, aside from the fact that people under socialist governments keep their humanity.

  57. Kmart99 says:

    Woodguy: I’m not the one who said:

    This team is exactly who I thought they were. Without a developed Nurse and Draisait, they are TOAST. Expect .300 in the first 20 games.

    I’m simply asking you to put your money where you mouth is.

    Deriding me for not putting a number out there is pretty weak.

    I didn’t set the bar, you did.

    Now that you admit its hyperbole, that’s fine but don’t shit talk me for trying to take advantage of it.

    Wanna go over/under on .350?

    I’m fine going over/under at .350 after 20 gp.

    You tried to take advantage of .300 with an over under. So .301 means I was just as wrong as .900.

    If I predict .300, don’t try and snake an over/under that is right at .300. Looking at the schedule, I believe .300 after 20 is a good guess, not an over under. Two different things.

  58. Lowetide says:

    Nuge works hard and Purcell gets a chance and then another. That line is the best to my eye. Klefbom seems slow, bet that injury hurts him. And shit there’s the goal. Nuge a hair late and the D were swimming. Okay, that’s it. Fun game. Miles better than a year ago.

    Talbot you’re a dream.

  59. Woodguy says:

    vishcosity: Don’t socialists pay for everything?

    No, they make everyone else pay for everything then yell at you for making money.

  60. Kmart99 says:

    Woodguy: Points are points.

    14pts is .350 after 20 games.

    The bar is set, I have the over.

    Stakes?

    What is typical?

  61. Kmart99 says:

    böök¡je:
    Kmart99,

    Ontday etbay ootay uchmay onway isthay. Itway isway otnay away
    oodgay etbay.On’tday elltay oodguyway Iway arnedway ouyay.

    Lol

  62. BONVIE says:

    Woodguy: I’m down.

    Stakes?

    I think you have to take that bet, overall Oilers played well against what we know is pretty much their worst matchup. It is a tough schedule first 20 but I don’t see them that far under .500

  63. stephen sheps says:

    hunter1909: Fins fan here.

    Once, during college in November drove one of those drive away cars down to Broward County for a pair of old people…a really cool red 6 cylinder model.

    It was an incredible drive…I drove from Charleston WV to Miami in one day…12-14 hundred miles I don’t remember…ending up in some of the most incredible situations I have ever been situated in.

    PS: Dan Marino should not have worn the number 13. It jinxed him. Sorry, but that’s a fact.

    You know, a fact. Like dinosaurs existed 3,500 years ago.: p

    Hunter, so you understand the suffering of other fins fans. I’d love to hear some more details of that road trip. Sounds incredible.

    For the first time in my life I’m in remarkably close proximity to the team I’ve loved since I was 7 and had it been a normal year, I would have the chance to finally see them in person up the way in Nashville on the 18th. Then I remembered my little brother is getting married in Calgary on the 17th… once again, I can’t see my team. Just as well, they’re terrible…again…

  64. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Oh Yah, as LT,s delayed play by play points out, just brutal shot selection by all Oiler D in the 3rd. Get your dam head out of your ass and look where your shooting! How about a fake shot, 1 step to the right and get it through. Dam I miss Pronger. I bet he only had 10 shots blocked all year in 06.

  65. Woodguy says:

    Kmart99,

    If I predict .300, don’t try and snake an over/under that is right at .300.

    Why not?

    They key to winning bets is to make then when the odds favour you.

    I’m off to bed, as I’m up in 6.5hrs.

    Line is .350 after 20 games.

    You have you under, I have the over.

    Name the stakes.

    I like $25 to the charity of the other’s choice or $250 if that’s more your style

    Either way I’m good.

  66. Gerta Rauss says:

    CMDRE97 21G 30A 51PTS

  67. Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker) says:

    Woodguy,

    Depends who’s money they are spending.

    I think this team needs to get Yak involved to be successful. Personally, I split Hall McDavid, and do something like:
    Pouliot Nuge Slepyshev
    Purcell McDavid Yak
    Hall Lander Korpikoski

    Eberle makes a huge difference on this team.

    I think I am going to do a study on face-off win %. Tons of data on the subject already, but I am curious on the shots generated, and the average zone time following a win. Oil need the correlation to be low, or else they are in a hole on the dot.

  68. Kmart99 says:

    Woodguy,

    sounds good. $50. Nice even nbr.

  69. G Money says:

    Oilers EV CF% was 48%.

    For those interested in comparisons to last year (sorry NYC), the Oilers last year vs STL:

    45.1%, 43.5%, 39.8%.

    (39.8% was the first game in Nov, for those who believe this game was the same as last year)

  70. cadooo says:

    Teddy Purcell All Situations
    TOI 17:27
    CF 10
    CA 21
    CF% 32.26
    OZ% 71.43

    Gross.

  71. Kmart99 says:

    Oilers won 6 of their first 20 last year. .300. Because of the Bettman points and them losing two in extra time they were bumped to .350 at the 20 game mark. Exactly our over/under.

    This year they are markedly better, but the opening 20 games are also much more difficult.

    As insane as it sounds. If the oil are 6-16-2 after 20, that is an improvement on last year. Which is what I am expecting. An uptick in SH% and SV%, but a significant down tick in shot diff over those games.

    Maybe I saw a worse team tonight then everyone else though. Sample size be damned, that loss looked like it could have easily been 5-0 if not for Talbot.

  72. Gordies Elbow says:

    G Money:
    Oilers EV CF% was 48%.

    For those interested in comparisons to last year (sorry NYC), the Oilers last year vs STL:

    45.1%, 43.5%, 39.8%.

    (39.8% was the first game in Nov, for those who believe this game was the same as last year)

    This is awesome, thanks for posting it.

    Personally, I only saw the 2nd half of the game, but saw structure and players playing for each other. Some players, like Yak and Reinhart, played above my expectations.

    Really good game – could have gone either way. Given that it was St. Louis, at home – shocking.

    “Needs more swarm” said no one ever.

  73. Kmart99 says:

    G Money:
    Oilers EV CF% was 48%.

    For those interested in comparisons to last year (sorry NYC), the Oilers last year vs STL:

    45.1%, 43.5%, 39.8%.

    (39.8% was the first game in Nov, for those who believe this game was the same as last year)

    I guess my eyes lied to me, but it looked like STL controlled 60% of that game to me. Just like they did against the oil all of last year.

  74. hunter1909 says:

    stephen sheps: Hunter, so you understand the suffering of other fins fans. I’d love to hear some more details of that road trip. Sounds incredible.

    For the first time in my life I’m in remarkably close proximity to the team I’ve loved since I was 7 and had it been a normal year, I would have the chance to finally see them in person up the way in Nashville on the 18th. Then I remembered my little brother is getting married in Calgary on the 17th… once again, I can’t see my team. Just as well, they’re terrible…again…

    Well…driving 12-1400 miles between 630 am and 130 am the next day…going from November WV(45 degrees), to North carolina…(65 degrees)…into South Carolina(75 degrees)stopping at a small town right out of A Birth Of a nation…genteel like……hitting Georgia (80 degrees)…leaving Georgia(85 degrees with Purple haze in the air) around 7pm…barreling through Florida at 95 mph for many hours…by then pitch dark…stopping at a roadside spot for filthy coffee but buying a bag of green oranges…just as laid back as it gets…

    finally reaching Broward(pompano Beach) at 130am…waking up in a motel room to Florida heavenly skies at 9am…going to the beach all day…wild west violence everywhere…bodies lying on the street…crackhouse(temporary) in the next door room and no money left to get anywhere else…serious fucking shite with the management in on it…pimps hookers the whole 9 yard… realizing that if/when SWAT turns up the walls are paper thin and you’re as likely die as the mofos next door

    and there is so much more that can’t rewritten on a family blog…

    In short, a great trip.

  75. Kmart99 says:

    Woodguy: No, they make everyone else pay for everything then yell at you for making money.

    I thought Socialists shared the cost…

  76. meanashell11 says:

    I rarely comment after a game, I like to give things a few hours to sort out in my mind.

    Having said that, McD makes things different!

    Talbot had a strong game. That alone will give this team confidence and that is worth a lot.
    Klefbom I thought had good physical game, I know others may disagree,
    Reinhard was a warrior out there.
    Sekara continues to make bad passes. He will get better.
    Gryba did ok. Better than I thought he would. I trust him more now than 24 hours ago.

    Shultz, who the hell is in that jersey??? I saw hits, blocked shots, offense, good stick work and good positioning. It’s a new day.

    As for the forwards, Hall looked to be trying to do too much.
    McD took a while to get going ( a lot like the WJC) but as the game went on his comfort level went straight up.
    RNH, I thought he had a strong game, he used that wrister and I like that.
    Slepy, took a while to get going but as the game went on he got stronger, I liked his game overall.

    Yak, the one bad pass does not take away from a decent game. He was working his ass off on offense and backchecking. When Ebs returns I think Lander/Yak/Slepy might be a very good third line.

    Anyway, I am not disappointed. That was a tough team to start against and they held their head above water. For those who may be Pats fans like me, “we’re on to Nashville!”

  77. BONVIE says:

    I think in the 3rd they shortened the bench and that hurt them. Purcell was the weak link in my opinion, but he also played on Nuges line so the toughest competition I am sure, not sure if those numbers were posted yet.

    I seen a ton of positives 3rd and 4th lines looked solid, Defenseman looked solid a few breakdowns. I saw Shultz playing physical all night, Rheinhart was solid may have been the best Dman. Goaltending was solid. Penalty killing was good, even Purcell was good on the PK. I noticed Pouliot saw little if any ice after the GWG was scored. He looked dead tired and didn’t skate to the top of circle area to tie up the open man. Purcell also didn’t read the play coming on his side and missed an early chance getting the puck out.

  78. Gerta Rauss says:

    Talbot was terrific, I thought the Gryba/Reinhart pairing looked OK

    Lots of room for improvement in all areas

    TMac audio
    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/podcastplayer.htm?pid=98&iid=52197

  79. unca miltie says:

    I am an old saw them good kinda guy. Love reading what you young’uns come up with the stats view.
    It looked to me like we have a goalie. I liked Reinhart’s game, was really impressed with Mcdavid that kid is a player. Not so keen on Hall’s game.
    Overall, more optimistic now than at noon today.

  80. McSorley33 says:

    Lots of positives…..but

    Goaltending vs. Multiple 5 alarm bell chances…..welcome to the Edmonton Oilers Cam Talbot.

    I may owe Gryba an apology…..feet are not quick, but he can make a pass.

    Hopefully, Lander and Hall dress for the next game.

    As others have mentioned, Schultz looked much improved as well.

    4th line more than held there own….

  81. Pouzar says:

    Just finished watching the game. I was wondering if Gryba’s numbers matched what I saw.
    They did. Pleasantly surprised there.

  82. böök¡je says:

    Woodguy: No, they make everyone else pay for everything then yell at you for making money.

    Well, our current form of capitalism (particularly in the USA) has a tremendous amount of corporate welfare recipients yelling at people for wanting to have anything near a decent life while existing in the middle classes.

    I prefer a nice middle ground that provides both a strong incentive for people to be productive, but also provides them with the opportunities for success and the possibility for a good quality of life.

  83. SwedishPoster says:

    The D and tending were good. The skill forwards didn’t deliver. Kind of backwards from what you’d expect. They fought hard against the NHLs only remaining really good heavy team now that LA and Boston are faltering. Way better than anything we saw the last two years.

    Hall looks his usual early season crappy self. He should’ve played every pre-season game to get him going. His line with McD looks really disjointed. Felt like McDavid turned it on in the third, showed flashes but overall never find his stride, his best shift was when Hall and Pouliot swapped spots. Coincidence?
    RNH line suffered from Purcells awful puck management, Pouliot never showed up.
    Lander didn’t get along with the puck all night, Yak on the other hand looked great on the forecheck and with the puck on his stick save for one terrible giveaway, shame he didn’t have teammates who could get him the puck more.
    The grinders looked good, Hendricks our best forward?

    Talbot is great. So solid, fantastic rebound control and you can see he’s been mentored by Lundqvist in the way he always stays square to the puck, always giving himself a chance.

  84. B S says:

    hunter1909: You know, a fact. Like dinosaurs existed 3,500 years ago. : p

    It’s a real shame they were such sinners, what with their being big and feathery. I believe those were Commandments 11 and 12.

  85. Craig Zonit says:

    This game, I think, demonstrates that we should always view the soft competition of the preseason with skepticism.

    We know there are going to be growing pangs and learning curves this year, but we showed reasonably well against a successful, well-established Western conference team. I remember last year when I would eagerly anticipate the games against lacklustre Eastern conference opponents. Hopefully the Oil can compete this year with hockey that is not so dispiriting to watch, when compared to the brand they practiced last season.

    I am typically a numbers man, and it pains me to say it but Gryba gave us a necessary bit of jam. Speaking of jam, pleasant surprise to see Gazdic create some opportunities.

    Am I worried about the schedule? Yes. But good goalering can go a long way, if it persists.

  86. Really? says:

    I will not believe that the Oilers are a dynamic offensive team until I see some evidence of same despite numerous such claims by the MSM.

  87. dangilitis says:

    Yes yak isn’t the best #1 OV, and he hasn’t earned it, but has Purcell earned top 1 RW?
    Yak is the closest thing to Eberle, and I’ll bet on a #1 OV with dedication and youth over Purcell any day. Nothing like some urgency here to force Yak to succeed.

    Hall-McD-Draisaitl
    Pouliot-RNH-Yak
    Korp-Lander-Slep/Purcell

    If Hall and McD don’t work out:

    Hall-RNH-Draisaitl
    Pouliot-McD-Yak
    Korp-Lander-Slep/Purcell

  88. BONVIE says:

    Slepshev sprung McDavid twice by making quick short passes to hit him with speed. I like his game, and don’t see him moving off of one of the top two lines anytime soon. I like him cause he makes the simple short passes or the chips of the boards that he needs to in order to advance the play.

  89. Yeti says:

    Oh, if we’re doing requests, could I get more socialist ads rather than ‘Russian dating for senior men’?
    Many thanks!

  90. BONVIE says:

    dangilitis:
    Yes yak isn’t the best #1 OV, and he hasn’t earned it, but has Purcell earned top 1 RW?
    Yak is the closest thing to Eberle, and I’ll bet on a #1 OV with dedication and youth over Purcell any day. Nothing like some urgency here to force Yak to succeed.

    Hall-McD-Draisaitl
    Pouliot-RNH-Yak
    Korp-Lander-Slep/Purcell

    If Hall and McD don’t work out:

    Hall-RNH-Draisaitl
    Pouliot-McD-Yak
    Korp-Lander-Slep/Purcell

    Slepshev is a fixture on the top two lines, he is just a sound positional winger. My only fear In giving Yakapov the Purcell spot, is that the tougher competition will be too much for his defensive shortcomings, and he is doing well on the current line he’s on.

    The oilers shouldn’t have shortened the bench. On the GWG the whole Nuge line was gassed and couldn’t clear.

  91. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Pouliot-McD-Slepyshev
    Hall-RNH-Eberle(soon)
    Korpi-Lander-Yak

    Remember the LW depth they had when Perron was here? Wow!

  92. Frank the dog says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Pouliot-McD-Slepyshev
    Hall-RNH-Eberle(soon)
    Korpi-Lander-Yak

    Remember the LW depth they had when Perron was here? Wow!

    didn’t Perron ask to leave because of the dementor?

  93. delooper says:

    I watched the game. So much more enjoyable than the torture we saw for the past 5 or 6 years. Hall looked awful. But the team is much improved.

  94. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Penguins would happily trade Perron and more for Reinhart. Can’t help but feel we won both Perron trades. He hasn’t looked great for a year or more.

  95. Woodguy says:

    Kmart99:
    Woodguy,

    sounds good. $50.Nice even nbr.

    Booked!

    Gluck!

  96. jake70 says:

    Best part of the game – Gryba smashing asshole Backes into the boards.

  97. Kmart99 says:

    hunter1909,

    Draft Kings last week.

  98. Pouzar says:

    BONVIE: Slepshev is a fixture on the top two lines, he is just a sound positional winger.

    He started slow but man I am giddy about what this kid brings. I think he looked great on the small ice and he was owning that puck late in the 3rd.

  99. flyfish1168 says:

    BONVIE: Slepshev is a fixture on the top two lines, he is just a sound positional winger. My only fear In giving Yakapov the Purcell spot, is that the tougher competition will be too much for his defensive shortcomings, and he is doing well on the current line he’s on.

    The oilers shouldn’t have shortened the bench. On the GWG the whole Nuge line was gassed and couldn’t clear.

    You can’t get any worst then Purcell last evening. Yak d shortcoming is all an idiot coach that didn’t have a clue how to teach Yak. Time to move on and give the kid a chance. He can’t do any worst the purcell last evening. But at least he can forecheck and play a more speed game.

  100. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Talbot really good. Nuge wins a battle, he’s really emerging folks. Slepy drives to the net, then behind, then a nice pass but Hall only gets the tie and it goes nowhere. Giveaway Gryba, they do okay covering. Lander and Korpikoski combine on a nice little play and Gryba drives it into the nearest Blue. Holy hell he’s not going to help in the offensive zone.

    I’m sad that I didn’t come to the blog this morning and see more LT observations on the game from his “non-live” viewing.

  101. Woodguy says:

    Only Oiler to have a > 50% CF against Backes last night?

    Nail Yakupov with a 62.5%

    Our children is learning.

  102. Pouzar says:

    According to Verdad the Oilers played a team with “limited talent”.

    ON is worse than HFOil I think.

  103. Adam Wu says:

    Every year Hall starts slow. And every year there’s that nagging worry that with his injury history, he’s lost a gear. The worry nags a bit more right now because his last year wasn’t so good all the way through.

    Other than that, the main issue for me is than, in the EBMc (era before McDavid), the team went as Taylor did. They were barely competitive in the late seasons when Hall is flying, when he’s in his early season funk they sink like neutron star matter. And thus, no meaningful games by November.

    In the EBMc, it seemed to me that the team would not turn north until Taylor figured out how to bring it from the start. Now, things may change. In the future the team may be able to compensate for a slow starting Hall.

    This year, the loss of Eberle compounds the worry – a rookie McDavid may not be enough to offset a slow starting Hall and the absence of Eberle.

    As for the game itself, I have to say that there are a lot of upper tier NHL teams that would have gone into St. Louis and ended up with the same overall performance, and the same result, and left not dissatisfied with their performance.

  104. Pouzar says:

    I think I’m the only one who didn’t see Reinhart good. He got better I thought but my eye didn’t match the numbers. That’s a good sign me thinks cause he is only going to get better.
    That said, Nurse is in the top 6. We could use a cycle breaker who can steal the puck from guys and skate it up ice out of trouble. But I have no issues with him in Bakersfield either. We wait. Looking forward to Bakersfield tonight.

  105. Pouzar says:

    Adam Wu: Every year Hall starts slow.

    It’s uncanny. It’s almost like he needs time for his hands to warm up to NHL speed cause he never looks slow. Then…….Beast Mode. It’s comin.

  106. Магия 10 says:

    Woodguy: I’m sad that I didn’t come to the blog this morning and see more LT observations on the game from his “non-live” viewing.

    Saw him good a few times but man was he trailing the play.;)

  107. Adam Wu says:

    flyfish1168: You can’t get any worst then Purcell last evening.Yak d shortcoming is all an idiot coach that didn’t have a clue how to teach Yak.Time to move on and give the kid a chance. He can’t do any worst the purcell last evening. But at least he can forecheck and play a more speed game.

    With respect d shortcomings and the progression of developing them away, a good coach can get a sense of a player’s readiness by seeing how he performs in practice, at least to the point of when it may be at least a reasonable bet to try. (Plus it may be better to try such a thing against an opponent without an elite offensive top line – a team like, say, Nashville?)

  108. Woodguy says:

    Магия 10: Saw him good a few times but man was he trailing the play.;)

    He;s a little older and takes a while to get up to speed, but once he’s on his horse he’s tough to stop.

    Good in the room too.

  109. Магия 10 says:

    Pouzar:
    I think I’m the only one who didn’t see Reinhart good. He got better I thought but my eye didn’t match the numbers. That’s a good sign me thinks cause he is only going to get better.
    That said, Nurse is in the top 6. We could use a cycle breaker who can steal the puck from guys and skate it up ice out of trouble. But I have no issues with him in Bakersfield either. We wait. Looking forward to Bakersfield tonight.

    Saw him good on both porches. That Gryba Reinhart guy broke enough cycles to keep a repair shop busy. Showed in their CF%.

  110. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Gryba was good. Gazdic was fine (purely by eye). I wasn’t upset either were in the lineup against the Blues and they, again only by eye, justified the decision.

    All the hand wringing around Gazdic on twitter was mildly hilarious. The Blues are leaps and bounds better than we are, this team wasn’t going to win or lose based on their fourth line. We win this game if, and only if, our top 2 lines could establish something in the offensive zone.

    They could not.

    But again, given that most of the time over the last 5 years my expectation for a game against the Blues/Sharks/Kings/Preds is to get outshot 42-17, I’ll take last night.

    Only issue I have is that I’m currently matched up against my wife in my hockey pool, and she has RNH. PP goals are worth big points and they awarded that own goal to him, presumably because he was the closest Oiler to actually touching the puck, even if he didn’t…. and I’m going to hear about it for a long time.

  111. Numenius says:

    dangilitis: Hall-McD-Draisaitl
    Pouliot-RNH-Yak
    Korp-Lander-Slep/Purcell

    If Hall and McD don’t work out:

    Hall-RNH-Draisaitl
    Pouliot-McD-Yak
    Korp-Lander-Slep/Purcell

    I like the thinking in that second lineup, though I’d go:

    Hall-RNH-Slep
    Pouliot-McD-Yak
    Korp-Lander-Purcell/Drai

    Splitting up Hall and McDavid seems the right thing to do. They’re both used to being the leaders on the line and so there’s awkwardness when you put them together. Better to separate them and give them that clear leadership role.

    I bet Yak would really click with McDavid’s leadership, much better than with RNH.

  112. Магия 10 says:

    Woodguy: He;s a little older and takes a while to get up to speed, but once he’s on his horse he’s tough to stop.

    Good in the room too.

    Slowed down to 2 long essays a day. Imagine TCLT in his prime.

  113. godot10 says:

    Kmart99: I thought Socialists shared the cost…

    Have you read “Animal Farm”? It really doesn’t matter where you start, from a “socialist” utopia, or a “free enterprise” utopia, you eventually end up on “Animal Farm”.

    It takes a vigilant, informed, activist citizenship to push against the river of inevitable tyranny towards the ocean of chaos.

    The state of liberty is an unstable equilibrium.

  114. godot10 says:

    “American exceptionalism” by definition essentially means “more equal than others”.

  115. flyfish1168 says:

    Adam Wu: With respect d shortcomings and the progression of developing them away, a good coach can get a sense of a player’s readiness by seeing how he performs in practice, at least to the point of when it may be at least a reasonable bet to try. (Plus it may be better to try such a thing against an opponent without an elite offensive top line – a team like, say, Nashville?)

    Game play and practices is different. Some people can perform with the pressure of the on coming forecheck and some can’t. Practise does NOT create this scenario. When you have the speed to recover or to react to the oncoming pressure it buys you time. Purcell doesn’t have the speed.

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